Bannon's War Room - Episode 4868： Weaponization Of Science： Flaws & Fraud In Research

00:00:00.000 funding bill for the furloughed employees. It's not going to pass Katie most likely that's Ron 0.99

00:00:06.300 Ron Johnson of Wisconsin's bill a bill that he's introduced in past shutdowns which would pay for

00:00:12.380 you know effectively pay for federal employees who are otherwise furloughed. I don't think that's

00:00:16.500 going to pass. We just reported John Bresnahan just reported he that Chris Van Hollen who

00:00:21.620 represents Maryland a huge obviously a huge hub huge bastion of federal workers is going to put

00:00:26.880 out his own bill that does something similar which to me signals that the under that the Ron

00:00:32.980 Johnson bill is not going to pass. Democrats rather complaint is that the the Ron John bill

00:00:40.020 provides a slush fund of sorts and the president can decide who he wants to pay and who he doesn't

00:00:46.000 want to pay. Now I personally do question whether there is some risk in opposing that. The president

00:00:53.860 is taking questions right now we're going to do a hard cut and we'll pick up the show when the

00:00:58.800 president's finish. A comment and a question please for you. First of all you have just one billion plus

00:01:10.720 hearts around the globe including in India by celebrating the Diwali in the White House right 0.82

00:01:15.960 here. And my other comments is Mr. President. I like his question already. In February you and the

00:01:24.900 White House staff welcomed gave a warm welcome to the Prime Minister of India Mr. Narendra Modi and after

00:01:31.440 that I decided to make a short trip to India for you how popular you are in India and I went there in a

00:01:40.860 a holiest also festival there. Millions of people were there and also Prime Minister Narendra Modi was

00:01:47.860 addressing a media event 5000 people. I was one of them there listening to him and when I went to

00:01:57.380 several states in India what I found out Mr. President three people are most popular there. Prime Minister

00:02:06.860 Prime Minister Narendra Modi, President Donald Trump, Mr. Kash Patel and also with a surprise

00:02:13.860 our White House Press Secretary Carolyn Levin. He's doing good. He's doing good. Superstar.

00:02:23.860 And Mr. President my question is you had a great relationship with the people of India when you visited India and with the

00:02:31.860 with the Prime Minister of India and also with the Indian American community. Where do we stand today

00:02:38.860 all those relations from 45 to 47 in the future. Mr. President please. Thank you.

00:02:43.860 Well we stand great and the people of India. I love the people of India and we're working on some great deals between our countries.

00:02:50.860 I spoke to the Prime Minister Modi today as I mentioned before and we just have a very good relationship and he's not going to buy much oil from Russia.

00:03:00.860 He wants to see that war end as much as I do. He wants to see the war end with Russia Ukraine. 0.93

00:03:06.860 And as you know they're not going to be buying too much oil. So they've cut it way back and they're continuing to cut it way back.

00:03:12.860 Mr. President. Mr. President. Yeah. Please go.

00:03:15.860 An appeals court recently ruled that you can send a National Guard in Oregon.

00:03:19.860 Do you feel unfettered to send the National Guard into whatever city you want now?

00:03:24.860 Well I guess so. That was the decision that I can send the National Guard if I see problems.

00:03:31.860 I looked at Portland over the weekend. The place is burning down. Just burning down. We weren't there. We weren't.

00:03:37.860 We didn't spend much time there because we were waiting for that decision. But the court probably that maybe that influenced the court.

00:03:43.860 But you look at a place like Portland. It's just it's ridiculous when they say that there's no problem. 0.73

00:03:49.860 The place is it was on fire over the weekend. But we did. We won the case in Court of Appeals. I think it was a nice certain Ninth Circuit.

00:03:59.860 So that's pretty good. And a very strong opinion that we have the right to use the National Guard.

00:04:05.860 You would think that would be common sense. We have the right to use the National Guard to put out trouble.

00:04:10.860 Well that's you know how I got elected. One of the reasons I got elected. Yes.

00:04:15.860 Mr. President. What changed your mind after talking to Vladimir Putin between then and now?

00:04:20.860 Why did you think that a Budapest summit would be might be a wasted might be wasted time?

00:04:24.860 Well I didn't say anything. I didn't say it would. And you know you never know what's going to happen.

00:04:28.860 But a lot of things are happening on that front on the war front with Ukraine and Russia.

00:04:34.860 And we'll be notified me over the next two days as to what we're doing.

00:04:38.860 Did you hear something? A lot of a lot of things are happening.

00:04:40.860 Did you hear something from the President?

00:04:42.860 Yeah please. Mr. President. On Ukraine do you still see a chance for a ceasefire?

00:04:47.860 And what is Putin asking for? Do you still see a chance for a ceasefire?

00:04:52.860 And what is Putin asking for? I do. It's a vicious look. It's a vicious word.

00:04:57.860 It doesn't really affect us. We sell equipment to them. We sell equipment to NATO.

00:05:02.860 And NATO gives it to Ukraine. But we don't pay anything anymore.

00:05:06.860 Biden spent 350 billion dollars. The war would have never happened if I were President.

00:05:11.860 Would have never. Not even a million years. And Putin knows that too. Would have never happened.

00:05:16.860 But it did happen. And I came in. And I have to see if I can put it out.

00:05:20.860 But it doesn't affect us. Because we're not losing soldiers there.

00:05:24.860 Although, when I first came in, that could have ended up. It's not going to happen.

00:05:29.860 But it could have ended up in World War III. That was really out of control.

00:05:33.860 So now it's. They're shooting. And they're killing people.

00:05:36.860 And I think Putin wants it to end. And I think Zelensky wants it to end.

00:05:41.860 And I think it's going to end.

00:05:42.860 The Pressure said he reached out to you about meeting on the government shutdown.

00:05:47.860 Will you meet with him before you leave for Asia on Friday?

00:05:49.860 Well, I will actually. I'd love to meet with them. I just want them to open up the country first.

00:05:55.860 You know, the country is so hot right now. And they've never voted against, you know, continuation.

00:06:02.860 They've never voted again. They've never done that. They're doing this because they have Trump derangement syndrome.

00:06:06.860 But I will. I would love to meet. I would like to meet with both of them.

00:06:10.860 But I set one little caveat. I will only meet if they let the country open.

00:06:17.860 They have to let the country open. The people want to go back to work. They want to be served.

00:06:21.860 They want to. They need the services of some people. And a lot of people need the money, the payroll.

00:06:27.860 So I'll do it as soon as they open up the country. I'd like to meet with them.

00:06:32.860 Just to be clear, you won't meet with them until the government's open.

00:06:35.860 The government has to be open, yeah. You know how long it would take for them to do that?

00:06:41.860 Just say, OK, government's open. That's it. There is nothing. They're not negotiating.

00:06:46.860 What they're doing is saying they lost the negotiation when we got the great big beautiful deal done.

00:06:52.860 They lost that negotiation. Now they're saying, well, we want to get some of the things we lost.

00:06:57.860 But the problem is the things they lost are very bad for our country.

00:07:01.860 We don't want to have people come over from all over the world from prisons and all and have them have their health care paid for.

00:07:08.860 We want to take care of people that are American citizens and all.

00:07:12.860 So they want $1.5 trillion of money to be wasted and jeopardize the health care of other people.

00:07:20.860 We're not going to do that. So we're going to I would love to meet with them.

00:07:24.860 We want the country open for us.

00:07:26.860 Mr. President, a new poll shows that if Curtis Sliwa dropped out of the New York mayoral race,

00:07:31.860 then Andrew Cuomo would only trail Mondani by four points.

00:07:35.860 Would you call Curtis Sliwa to drop out of the race so that can happen?

00:07:39.860 Well, I looked at the polls and looks like we're going to have a communist as the mayor of New York.

00:07:47.860 It'll be very interesting. But here's the good news.

00:07:49.860 He's got to go through the White House. Everything goes through the White House.

00:07:53.860 At least this White House it does. And we'll have to see what happens.

00:07:57.860 But if he dropped out, he's not going to win and not looking too good for Cuomo either.

00:08:04.860 But maybe, I don't know, if he dropped out, maybe Cuomo would have a little bit of a chance, but not much.

00:08:09.860 Because it looks like the leaders, it's not a great lead, but it's big enough that he should be able to win.

00:08:16.860 So, you know, I don't know that I want to get involved.

00:08:19.860 It's really a question of, would I rather have a Democrat or a communist?

00:08:23.860 And I would rather have a Democrat than a communist.

00:08:26.860 Will you meet with Mondani if he wins?

00:08:28.860 Yeah, I'll speak to him.

00:08:30.860 Mr. President, I have an obligation to speak to him.

00:08:33.860 But look, I love New York. I've always loved New York.

00:08:36.860 I just can't believe a thing like this is happening.

00:08:38.860 I left New York and we had a mayor, de Blasio, who was a disaster.

00:08:44.860 But when I left, it was sort of before he could really take hold.

00:08:48.860 And boy, New York was a hot city.

00:08:50.860 And now it's sad to see what's happening, frankly.

00:08:54.860 And with the communists in charge, look, you just go back a thousand years.

00:08:59.860 I mean, it's been done many times, a thousand years.

00:09:02.860 It's never worked once, so it's not going to work now either.

00:09:05.860 Mr. President, you're building your ballroom right now.

00:09:09.860 They're also building the Obama Presidential Library.

00:09:12.860 I'm wondering if you've seen him.

00:09:13.860 Mr. He needs help.

00:09:14.860 Have you seen pictures of the architecture?

00:09:16.860 Mr. Yeah, I did. It's not too pretty.

00:09:18.860 No, but it's close. It's stopped. They ran out of money.

00:09:24.860 I mean, he's building a library slash museum.

00:09:27.860 You know, you call it some museum, some, and usually they call it,

00:09:30.860 they call it library and museum. That's the official name.

00:09:34.860 And they're stuck. And he wanted only women in DEI to build it. 0.68

00:09:40.860 Well, that's what they got.

00:09:43.860 And the construction workers are standing out there and saying,

00:09:46.860 we want to be able to build it.

00:09:47.860 You know, you have great, I built a great building in Chicago,

00:09:50.860 as you know, a big, beautiful building,

00:09:53.860 one of the tallest buildings in the country.

00:09:55.860 And we got it built very quickly, very well.

00:09:58.860 And we use the construction workers of Chicago.

00:10:00.860 They're great workers. They're great construction people.

00:10:03.860 And I suggest that he get them involved.

00:10:06.860 But they're hundreds of millions of dollars over budget.

00:10:10.860 And I think it stopped. I'm reading these terrible stories.

00:10:13.860 But that's the way our country was run under President Obama, too.

00:10:18.860 Nobody knew it.

00:10:19.860 Mr. President.

00:10:20.860 Thank you, Mr. President.

00:10:21.860 Russia remains China's top crude oil supplier in September.

00:10:26.860 Are you considering tariffs on China?

00:10:29.860 Well, I mean, you read the same papers as I do.

00:10:35.860 But I don't have to read the papers because I'm the one.

00:10:37.860 Right now, as of November 1st,

00:10:40.860 China will have about 155 percent tariff put on it.

00:10:45.860 And I don't think it's sustainable for them.

00:10:48.860 So I want to be nice to China.

00:10:51.860 But China's been very rough with us over the years 0.99

00:10:53.860 because we had presidents that weren't smart from a business standpoint.

00:10:57.860 Some were good politicians.

00:10:59.860 Some weren't even good politicians.

00:11:00.860 But they allowed China to take advantage of us. 0.60

00:11:03.860 And every other country to take advantage of us.

00:11:05.860 If you see, I made a deal with the European Union.

00:11:08.860 I made a deal with Japan, with South Korea.

00:11:10.860 Made a lot of these deals that are great deals.

00:11:12.860 And I was able to do it.

00:11:14.860 It's really national security.

00:11:15.860 I was able to do it because of tariffs.

00:11:18.860 And we're getting hundreds of billions, even trillions of dollars paid into the United States.

00:11:23.860 We're a very rich country again.

00:11:25.860 We'll start paying off debt.

00:11:27.860 We'll do a lot of things.

00:11:28.860 We'll probably make a distribution out of some of the tariff money.

00:11:31.860 I think we're going to make a distribution over the next fairly short period of time to people.

00:11:37.860 Because we took in so much money from the tariffs.

00:11:41.860 Just European Union, $650 billion.

00:11:45.860 Japan, $550 billion.

00:11:48.860 South Korea, $350 billion.

00:11:50.860 That's even a lot of money for you guys, right?

00:11:52.860 That's not bad, right?

00:11:54.860 But no, we're taking in a lot of money.

00:11:57.860 And it keeps people like this here because that's why they're coming in.

00:12:02.860 I mean, you wouldn't be, I mean, I'm not going to speak for you, but generally they won't be coming in at border for tariffs.

00:12:07.860 They come in here and they don't have to pay any tariff.

00:12:10.860 If they do it outside, they pay a lot of money, a lot of tariffs.

00:12:15.860 The money comes to us.

00:12:16.860 And in order not to pay the tariff, they come and they build here.

00:12:19.860 That's why we have more plants under construction than we've ever had in the history of our country.

00:12:24.860 And you wouldn't think it's complicated, but you would have thought somebody would have done this a long time ago,

00:12:29.860 sitting in this beautiful seat behind what's called the Resolute Desk.

00:12:33.860 You know that, right?

00:12:34.860 These are very famous.

00:12:35.860 This is even more famous than any of your desks.

00:12:38.860 But your desks are good.

00:12:39.860 Your desks are very good.

00:12:41.860 Let's follow up on her question to you.

00:12:44.860 Because the New York Times is reporting that your legal team is seeking $230 million from your own Justice Department now in response to the investigations and to you.

00:12:53.860 Is that something you want your legal team to do?

00:12:55.860 I don't know what the numbers are.

00:12:56.860 I don't even talk to them about it.

00:12:57.860 All I know is that they would owe me a lot of money, but I'm not looking for money.

00:13:02.860 I'd give it to charity or something.

00:13:03.860 I would give it to charity, any money.

00:13:05.860 But look, what they did, they rigged the election.

00:13:08.860 And as you know, we had, in one case, 60 Minutes had to pay us a lot of money.

00:13:14.860 George Slavodopoulos had to pay us a lot of money.

00:13:17.860 And they already paid.

00:13:18.860 You know, they paid me a lot of money because what they did was wrong.

00:13:21.860 And, you know, when somebody does, it was wrong.

00:13:23.860 Now, with the country, it's interesting because I'm the one that makes a decision, right?

00:13:27.860 And, you know, that decision would have to go across my desk.

00:13:31.860 And it's awfully strange to make a decision where I'm paying myself.

00:13:35.860 In other words, did you ever have one of those cases where you have to decide how much you're paying yourself in damages?

00:13:41.860 But I was damaged very greatly.

00:13:43.860 And any money that I would get, I would give to charity.

00:13:46.860 Thank you, Mr. President.

00:13:49.860 Yeah, please go ahead.

00:13:50.860 Is the Democrat Party now more Zoran Mandani's party than it is even Leader Schumer's or Leader Jeffrey's?

00:13:56.860 It probably is, yeah.

00:13:58.860 I mean, maybe he'll run for president in four years.

00:14:01.860 You have a communist president.

00:14:02.860 That would be interesting, right?

00:14:03.860 I don't see it happening, you know?

00:14:05.860 I've always said you will never see, and I always talked about socialism,

00:14:09.860 and you will never see a socialist so-and-so.

00:14:13.860 And I was right.

00:14:14.860 I say in his speeches, we will not have socialism in our country.

00:14:17.860 And I was right.

00:14:18.860 Communism, yes, but socialism.

00:14:19.860 In other words, they skipped socialism and they went down to communism.

00:14:23.860 No, he's a communist.

00:14:25.860 And he's going to be maybe the mayor of New York.

00:14:27.860 I don't know, maybe, you know, polls are wrong, but these polls seem to be pretty consistent.

00:14:32.860 But he would be, I would say he would be the leader of the party.

00:14:35.860 He's not Schumer.

00:14:36.860 Schumer's shot.

00:14:37.860 He's shot.

00:14:38.860 This poor guy, I feel sorry for him.

00:14:40.860 I've known him for a long time, but he's, I think he's mentally gone. 0.98

00:14:44.860 He's been beat up by young, radical lunatics. 0.99

00:14:49.860 And I think Chuck Schumer is, he's gonzo. 0.99

00:14:54.860 I really do.

00:14:55.860 I think he's probably not going to run.

00:14:57.860 It shows that he's losing in every poll.

00:14:59.860 Now, this is hard.

00:15:00.860 You know, he wants to meet with me.

00:15:02.860 Sort of hard to meet with a guy after I make a statement like that, but I'm just giving the facts.

00:15:06.860 I think Chuck is probably finished.

00:15:09.860 I know some people, Democrats, that would be good.

00:15:13.860 Some good politicians and some, you know, reasonable people.

00:15:16.860 But I understand that they would not have a chance of, you know, getting even the concept of holding the torch.

00:15:25.860 They're not going to get it.

00:15:26.860 But they have some people that I really believe they're low IQ people. 1.00

00:15:31.860 They're stupid people. 1.00

00:15:32.860 And they seem to be leading the party. 1.00

00:15:34.860 So we'll see what happens.

00:15:36.860 Look, the Republicans are strong.

00:15:37.860 We have great leadership.

00:15:38.860 We're very strong in every way.

00:15:41.860 And we're going to keep it that way.

00:15:43.860 But we are really a strong party.

00:15:44.860 You know, our party's grown magnificently.

00:15:47.860 We've gotten away.

00:15:48.860 Look at all the union votes I got.

00:15:50.860 Nobody thought that was ever possible.

00:15:51.860 Look at the election where I won popular.

00:15:54.860 I won everything.

00:15:55.860 I won all seven swing states.

00:15:57.860 If you win three or four swing states, you're doing great.

00:15:59.860 I won all seven by a lot.

00:16:02.860 And I think the best thing when you look at districts, 2,700 versus 525.

00:16:11.860 That's big.

00:16:12.860 That's big.

00:16:13.860 That's why the map shows all red.

00:16:15.860 So we wanted a tremendous landslide.

00:16:17.860 And that's because people like our policy.

00:16:19.860 I guess they like me, but they like my policies.

00:16:22.860 Strong borders, good education, low taxes.

00:16:25.860 You know, in the great big beautiful bill, we got the biggest tax cut in history.

00:16:30.860 Not only no tax on tips, no tax on Social Security, no tax on overtime.

00:16:35.860 We got the biggest tax cut in the history of our country in the bill that we just approved.

00:16:41.860 And I think people see that, and they like it, and that's why we're doing well.

00:16:45.860 But they are not.

00:16:46.860 They do not have leadership.

00:16:47.860 Thank you very much, everybody.

00:16:48.860 Thank you.

00:16:49.860 Thank you very much.

00:16:50.860 Thank you very much.

00:16:51.860 Thank you very much.

00:16:52.860 Thank you.

00:16:53.860 Thank you.

00:16:54.860 Thank you very much.

00:16:55.860 Great question.

00:16:56.860 Thank you.

00:16:57.860 Thank you very much.

00:16:58.860 Thank you.

00:16:59.860 Great question.

00:17:00.860 Thank you.

00:17:01.860 Good surprise.

00:17:02.860 Good surprise.

00:17:03.860 Good surprise.

00:17:04.860 The President dropping a couple of bombs there, talking about Mondami, talking about so much of the activity going on.

00:17:11.860 Also, just telling the Democrats, hey, if you vote to open the government, you come along and open the government, then I can sit down and have a discussion with you on other topics.

00:17:21.880 I think this is absolutely – we're winning this shutdown.

00:17:24.920 Why would we possibly – why would we possibly fold now?

00:17:30.280 This is all about illegal alien health care. 0.97

00:17:33.660 American people can't afford that. 0.88

00:17:34.960 American people don't support that.

00:17:36.700 So you got the Democrats walking into this.

00:17:38.600 Don't get them off the hook.

00:17:40.300 When the media is talking about – when the media is talking about, oh, they ought to compromise and there's got to be some discussions and there's got to be coming.

00:17:46.160 No.

00:17:47.440 The reason the media is doing that is they're partners in crime.

00:17:51.940 And they realize the Democrats are getting hammered for this.

00:17:54.480 The Democrats shut this down because of a trillion dollars they want to spend over a number of years on illegal alien health care.

00:18:01.720 And don't let them say, well, it's outlawed.

00:18:03.260 That's not true.

00:18:03.800 It is true.

00:18:05.260 The illegal aliens, because they have to go to the emergency rooms, this is what pays for it. 1.00

00:18:10.180 There should be no compromise on this whatsoever.

00:18:12.480 We don't need to talk to any of the Democrats about anything.

00:18:17.180 Everything they have is so radical, it's nothing to talk about.

00:18:21.180 This is the way you play smash mouth.

00:18:22.900 It's now time to break these folks because they're not getting less radical.

00:18:28.140 They're getting more radical.

00:18:29.040 And President Trump said it right there.

00:18:32.960 Iman Dami is the new face of the Democratic Party.

00:18:35.660 Let them live with it.

00:18:38.740 Marxist jihadist.

00:18:40.020 And I don't know how this percentage of young Jewish kids or young Jewish people are voting for a man Dami in New York City.

00:18:49.580 That shows me that the education system, they ought to be shut down.

00:18:52.320 President Trump, he has a whole lot of power when it comes to New York City.

00:18:56.240 Don't think he's going to go along with this.

00:18:58.380 If you vote for it, assume that your life's going to change.

00:19:01.440 And we don't care if you hate Trump because it doesn't matter.

00:19:04.300 We don't need New York.

00:19:06.460 We won three times without New York.

00:19:08.500 Yes, I said it.

00:19:09.420 2020 also.

00:19:10.380 We won three times without New York.

00:19:11.860 And Trump's going to win a fourth time without New York.

00:19:13.540 So we love all the MAGA folks there. 0.88

00:19:17.820 But New York City, Manhattan, hey, drop dead. 1.00

00:19:21.100 You're about to elect a Marxist jihadist who hates America. 0.99

00:19:26.780 We have no earthy idea who this guy is.

00:19:29.560 He's been a citizen for six years.

00:19:32.020 Have no idea where the money comes from.

00:19:33.980 Qatar, the mom, the dad, shady, shady, shady characters. 0.99

00:19:38.600 Of course, they hate Americans. 0.99

00:19:42.420 They hate American citizens. 0.99

00:19:43.860 He's obviously very anti-white. 1.00

00:19:46.540 He's the whole package. 0.96

00:19:48.100 He's Sadiq Khan on testosterone.

00:19:51.000 He will turn New York City into London.

00:19:54.920 And for all the guys that talked all the big smack early on about, oh, we're going to do this and do that and defeat him, 1.00

00:20:00.300 you guys look like morons right now. 0.99

00:20:03.440 And you still got Curtis Sliwa in the picture. 1.00

00:20:07.480 And people are tweeting out, isn't this a great, isn't Curtis great?

00:20:10.220 No.

00:20:11.000 Curtis Sliwa is one of the problems.

00:20:12.620 Is that ego, narcissist?

00:20:14.520 He's never going to be the mayor of New York.

00:20:16.100 He's never come close to being the mayor of New York.

00:20:19.460 In fact, nobody even can explain to me what the guardian angels are.

00:20:22.980 Yet this is one of the guys, and Adams didn't get out quick enough, and people didn't come around enough.

00:20:29.780 Now, we have a cold open that's epic and monumental.

00:20:33.240 Let's go ahead and play that, and we're going to bring the show in, and we're going to go from there.

00:20:37.020 A corporate funding bill for the furloughed employees.

00:20:39.980 It's not going to pass, Katie, most likely.

00:20:43.360 That's Ron Johnson of Wisconsin's bill, a bill that he's introduced in past shutdowns, which would pay for, effectively pay for federal employees who are otherwise furloughed.

00:20:53.520 I don't think that's going to pass.

00:20:54.640 We just reported, John Bresnahan just reported that Chris Van Hollen, who represents Maryland, a huge, obviously a huge hub, huge bastion of federal workers, is going to put out his own bill that does something similar, which to me signals that the Ron Johnson bill is not going to pass.

00:21:12.620 Democrats' complaint is that the Ron John bill provides a slush fund of sorts, and the president can decide who he wants to pay and who he doesn't want to pay.

00:21:24.040 Now, I personally do question whether there is some risk in opposing that bill, obviously, because, as your previous guest suggested, like, this is a real-life thing where people who are going to work every day are not getting paid, and they're not going to go to work.

00:21:39.780 And, Katie, as you and I know, the aviation infrastructure in this country is, you know, at times not great.

00:21:49.860 And if, yeah, and if the air traffic controllers are calling out in cities like Charlotte, Chicago, Atlanta, D.C., New York, big cities with big hub airports, we're going to have problems, and especially approaching the Thanksgiving season.

00:22:01.920 I will say this, that we have Darth Vader.

00:22:04.660 You know Darth Vader, right?

00:22:06.340 Darth Vader is a man who, I think he's sitting right.

00:22:10.320 Is that Darth?

00:22:10.980 Stand up, please, Darth Vader.

00:22:12.720 Stand up.

00:22:13.380 Does everybody know this is, they call him Darth Vader.

00:22:18.380 I call him a fine man.

00:22:20.300 But he's cutting Democrat priorities, and they're never going to get him back.

00:22:26.740 And they've caused us, and they've really allowed us to do it.

00:22:30.820 And, by the way, thank you.

00:22:31.640 You're doing a great job, I have to tell you.

00:22:33.400 So, really a great job.

00:22:35.720 Because many of the things that they're cutting, like the New York project, $20 billion, we're cutting it, they're not going to get it back.

00:22:43.360 I mean, they're not going to get a lot of things back.

00:22:45.180 They may not get it back.

00:22:46.260 Maybe we'll talk to them about it.

00:22:48.100 But they're losing all the things that they wanted.

00:22:51.220 But many of the things that they wanted are things that we don't want.

00:22:55.860 The things that are just so bad for our country.

00:22:58.380 And we're cutting those things out.

00:23:00.100 Government shut down the three-week mark, and lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are getting the same message from their voters.

00:23:06.560 Stay the course.

00:23:08.080 But not all of them.

00:23:09.200 Now a group of vulnerable House Republicans is getting a bit itchy, calling on Speaker Mike Johnson to, quote,

00:23:14.860 immediately turn the focus to health care affordability.

00:23:18.940 I mean, these are some of those moderate and or battleground district Republicans who, quite frankly,

00:23:24.960 admit in this new letter that they just sent to Speaker Mike Johnson,

00:23:27.560 that, quite frankly, they need to get something done on this.

00:23:30.360 That, yes, while they say it is not their, quote, responsibility that we are in this situation,

00:23:35.080 they have the opportunity to fix it.

00:23:37.480 And, quite frankly, they seem to see the writing on the wall,

00:23:40.340 which Democrats have been really hitting Republicans on for quite some time,

00:23:43.740 that if these premiums start to skyrocket, which is what we're expecting them to do in the next couple weeks

00:23:48.540 as people get those notices in the mail, and also, of course, the marketplace opens on November 1,

00:23:54.140 there could be some backlash.

00:23:55.640 And one of the things that Democrats quietly have said since the beginning of this shutdown fight

00:24:01.000 is, at the very least, changing the national conversation to really hone in on health care

00:24:06.060 could be a winning message for them, because Democrats traditionally poll very well in that arena.

00:24:11.020 Meanwhile, here on Capitol Hill, the push and pull, quite frankly, continues,

00:24:14.560 where both sides are not really talking to each other, they're talking to themselves,

00:24:18.300 and some of the top Republicans in the Senate are very much laying the line in the sand,

00:24:22.620 which is echoed by these battleground Republicans, basically saying,

00:24:26.400 we're not going to do anything, though, until the government reopens.

00:24:29.080 Today I'm calling on every Senate Democrat to stop the madness, to let our country get back.

00:24:35.140 In the greatest moment in the history of our country, in terms of wealth, in terms of job creation,

00:24:41.140 and in terms of investment coming in, these guys go on strike.

00:24:46.940 It's really a shame.

00:24:48.340 So I'm asking them to be smart.

00:24:51.540 It's not working.

00:24:52.620 They're getting killed in the polls.

00:24:54.060 The public understands what they're doing.

00:24:55.960 They're doing the wrong thing.

00:24:57.160 This is the fourth week of the Democrats' shutdown, but we are all here today because your Republican

00:25:03.420 team in the Senate is unified.

00:25:05.820 We are...

00:25:06.560 This is now the longest full shutdown in history, but everybody here has voted now 11 different

00:25:17.860 times to open up the government, and we are going to keep voting to open up the government,

00:25:21.920 and eventually, the Democrats, hopefully sooner or later, are going to come around.

00:25:26.040 With all of the elements in the great, big, beautiful bill, I'll tell you, it's amazing

00:25:31.300 what we've done, $200 billion in costs for medical, what we've done, $50 billion for rural

00:25:40.920 hospitals, and remember, no tax on tips, no tax on Social Security, no tax on...

00:25:48.020 Think of all of these things that we've done.

00:25:50.560 This is the biggest, this is the greatest bill, Social Security, no tax on overtime.

00:25:56.040 But no tax on tips, I got that from a waitress in Nevada. 0.99

00:26:00.640 I was making a speech, and I'm at one of my restaurants in the hotel I own there, and

00:26:05.640 I say, how are you doing?

00:26:07.240 Well, sir, it's terrible.

00:26:08.380 They're taxing my tips.

00:26:09.440 They're going, I didn't even...

00:26:10.760 I wouldn't have even thought that.

00:26:12.060 And I looked at it, and she said to me, sir, there should be no tax on tips.

00:26:17.660 I said, say it one time more.

00:26:19.660 No tax on tips.

00:26:20.660 I walked outside to the press.

00:26:21.660 I said, there will be no tax on tips.

00:26:23.660 She was right.

00:26:25.260 And we won that state by a lot.

00:26:27.260 That's not a state that we wouldn't buy that much, David, but we won it by a lot.

00:26:32.260 So it was pretty good.

00:26:34.260 China is building right now 52 power stations.

00:26:37.860 But I did something better.

00:26:39.260 I'm letting everybody build their own power plant so they'll become like an electric utility

00:26:44.480 in addition to AI.

00:26:46.620 But if they want to build their own plant, and we get their approvals within less than

00:26:50.940 a month, it used to take five years prior to rejection.

00:26:55.940 Sometimes a guy in Louisiana, they had one that took 12 years, and then they got rejected.

00:27:03.000 I got it approved in two weeks when I got into office.

00:27:05.500 That was the first term.

00:27:06.500 Amazon, which is reportedly on the verge of a seismic workplace shift.

00:27:12.440 The New York Times reports that executives at the online retail giant believe the company

00:27:18.340 aims to replace more than half a million jobs with robots.

00:27:23.420 The company expects to avoid hiring more than 160,000 in the US that it would otherwise need

00:27:28.640 by 2027.

00:27:30.240 In all, executives think the automation would allow the company to avoid hiring 600,000

00:27:35.840 new employees.

00:27:36.840 Doesn't seem good.

00:27:38.240 Amazon said in a statement that the documents viewed by the paper were incomplete and did

00:27:42.420 not represent the company's overall hiring strategy.

00:27:45.900 Stay tuned.

00:27:46.900 This peace deal was struck under the president's leadership literally a week ago.

00:27:50.900 The hostages were turned, what, six days ago, five days ago?

00:27:54.140 So we're in the phase now where we're actually starting to conceptualize what that international

00:27:57.800 security force would look like.

00:27:59.300 I think it's important for Americans to know a couple of things.

00:28:01.740 Number one, there are not going to be American boots on the ground in Gaza.

00:28:04.900 The president of the United States has made that very clear.

00:28:07.300 All of our military leadership has made that very clear.

00:28:09.840 What we can do is provide some useful coordination.

00:28:12.320 How do you take the Gulf Arab states, plus Israel, plus the Turks, plus the Indonesians, 0.53

00:28:21.320 how do you actually get those folks to work together in a way that actually produces long-term

00:28:25.860 peace?

00:28:26.860 The only real mediators are the United States of America.

00:28:29.320 And so that's the role that we're going to play.

00:28:31.320 I think the American people should be proud of it, but they should know that there are

00:28:34.420 not going to be no American boots on the ground in Gaza.

00:28:38.860 Okay.

00:28:39.900 Duly note that the vice president is over there with Jared.

00:28:44.800 They kind of broke down today.

00:28:45.940 And by the way, I think they're funneling in some British officers to kind of work and

00:28:50.240 coordinate with the Turks.

00:28:52.240 But my understanding is they had a very blunt discussion with certain members of the Israeli

00:28:57.440 high command and saying, hey, we're going to have to work this thing.

00:29:00.620 It's going to be a little choppy, but we've got to stop strafing and bombing that the president

00:29:05.280 of the United States has deemed this deal is going to work.

00:29:09.300 I think Qatar and Turkey are also in these conversations.

00:29:13.100 No American boots on the ground of commitment by the president of the United States.

00:29:18.480 Fantastic.

00:29:19.100 President also sitting there talking about there's nothing to debate.

00:29:23.060 When these guys vote to open the government and any which way they do it, you can do it.

00:29:27.120 But I don't see what the necessity of getting in there and negotiating.

00:29:31.700 Who cares about Mike Lawler?

00:29:33.400 The whole thing is going to change after Mondani anyway.

00:29:37.580 So I don't hear all the bleeding of guys like Lawler all the time.

00:29:41.960 Oh, I'm in the swing district.

00:29:43.120 Well, dude, work it harder.

00:29:44.600 Get more Trump.

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00:29:46.340 One of the reasons that you barely win, you're not MAGA.

00:29:49.740 Folks up there want you to be MAGA.

00:29:51.300 Embrace it.

00:29:53.280 Embrace your destiny.

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00:33:40.280 Joe Allen is going to join me in the next hour.

00:33:42.600 We're going to talk about AI.

00:33:43.700 Of course, today announced, and this was not announced.

00:33:47.380 I should say it differently.

00:33:48.400 The New York Times found an internal report to Amazon, one of our favorite companies.

00:33:53.520 So, for all working class people out there, understand they're all trying to screw you. 1.00

00:33:58.380 Okay?

00:33:58.620 Their business model is to screw particularly young people coming up under 35. 0.99

00:34:04.780 All these guys that you adore, you know, all the broligarchs, their whole business model is to screw you and to make sure you're nothing but you continue to be a Russian serf. 1.00

00:34:13.840 What does that mean? 0.90

00:34:14.560 You don't own anything, and you ain't going to own anything.

00:34:17.660 Your own work is basically a salaried slave, indentured servant.

00:34:23.300 Let's say that, 600,000 folks that they're not going to hire over the next couple of years because guess what they're going to do?

00:34:30.140 They're going to purchase artificial intelligence connected robots.

00:34:34.420 Does that make you feel good?

00:34:35.760 You feeling good now?

00:34:36.780 Well, this is why we need to take a stand on artificial intelligence, and we do here in the war room.

00:34:44.040 Joe Allen's going to spend the entire hour.

00:34:46.600 Joe's been throughout the country for the last 100 days discussing this, talking to this, meeting people, and he's our editor for All Things Transhumanism will join me.

00:34:54.040 Also, I'll be breaking down tomorrow morning much more of what's going on in this Middle East situation.

00:34:59.980 It stinks to high heaven. 0.74

00:35:01.320 Here's what stinks.

00:35:02.660 We need Ratcliffe, the central intelligence, the CIA director to come forward.

00:35:07.640 We need to know exactly what intelligence he gave the president of the United States on this Persian fiasco.

00:35:14.760 Also, we need to hear from him about October 7th.

00:35:18.040 You know, people point the finger at Mossad and point the finger at Shen Bet. 0.55

00:35:25.360 And by the way, there's an incredible book out there called While Israel Slept by a couple authors.

00:35:33.920 One of those, at least one of them we got committed for, I think, the 30th of October is going to join us in the war room.

00:35:40.480 He'll be live in Israel to walk through this.

00:35:42.720 The book is a jaw dropper.

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00:35:55.980 I've got tonight at 10 o'clock.

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00:36:16.580 Also, Bannon's War.

00:36:18.000 Tonight at 10 o'clock on PBS, your favorite channel, The Rise of Bobby Kennedy.

00:36:24.680 It looks like extraordinary.

00:36:26.120 Let's play the trailer, and then I'm going to bring in, they had one of these roundtables today, Claire Dooley put on, and the Children's Health Defense folks. 1.00

00:36:33.320 And I've got James Layant-Wallet who's going to join us here in a moment.

00:36:36.820 Let's go ahead and play the trailer.

00:36:37.600 His goal will be to make America healthy again.

00:36:42.080 Senator Kennedy has been shot.

00:36:43.660 This is an inescapable trauma.

00:36:45.460 He's pushing back against people who've told him he's a fraud.

00:36:48.340 They're not playing by the rules.

00:36:49.480 They're not using gold standard science.

00:36:51.440 He's the most famous Kennedy in America right now.

00:36:53.220 10 p.m. tonight, the Secretary of Health and Human Services, HHS, Health and Human Services, will be profiled in this.

00:37:07.540 Don't miss it tonight.

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00:37:09.060 James Lyons-Wyler.

00:37:11.980 That's the most waspy name I've ever had on the show in five years.

00:37:15.240 Are you, like, from the Mayflower?

00:37:17.940 Yeah, no.

00:37:18.600 I mean, listen, we all come from various pedigrees.

00:37:21.200 But that's pure wasp. 1.00

00:37:23.300 Yeah.

00:37:23.780 I grew up in upstate New York.

00:37:25.640 All I know is small-town country boy.

00:37:28.160 Okay, okay, okay.

00:37:29.520 That's cool.

00:37:30.200 I like the arc of the family.

00:37:32.220 You're a researcher.

00:37:33.940 You're very concerned about – you used to be at the big universities.

00:37:37.040 You're very concerned about the weaponization of science.

00:37:40.460 You gave a talk today.

00:37:41.580 You were in this – you were at the roundtable.

00:37:44.120 We love these roundtables.

00:37:45.240 We're particularly interested in you today.

00:37:49.200 What do you mean weaponization of science?

00:37:50.840 Well, the American public is beginning to hear from Kennedy, Secretary Kennedy, a lot about

00:37:56.880 what has been going on over the years behind closed doors in the area of science.

00:38:04.620 First of all, I want to demarcate between science and fraud, right?

00:38:09.260 So if I'm a scientist and I have to answer to a pharmaceutical company because they pay

00:38:13.960 my bills or they gave me an endowed chair at a university, I'm going to do everything

00:38:18.900 that I can do to make sure that that pharmaceutical's products look as good as they possibly can

00:38:22.620 if I'm doing that science.

00:38:24.040 Otherwise, I'm going to lose my chair.

00:38:25.680 And if I lose my chair, that whole system selects for people that are willing to sell

00:38:29.400 out.

00:38:30.240 So we end up with a bias.

00:38:32.400 Hold on, hang on, hang on.

00:38:33.540 Yeah.

00:38:34.040 You're telling me that everybody that takes a chair funded by – sponsored by Pfizer

00:38:40.980 is by definition, by your definition, a sellout?

00:38:45.100 Well, I'm saying that the system selects for it.

00:38:47.320 I don't know how far that selection's gone completely, but I know for a fact that if

00:38:53.160 there's a narrative that the former CDC or NIAID with Anthony Fauci had to have for public

00:39:00.180 health, if you're at a university and you actually went against the grain, your university

00:39:04.760 got a call and all of your NIH funding was threatened over, let's say, HPV vaccine safety

00:39:10.940 or MMR vaccine safety.

00:39:12.520 So this kind of shakedown –

00:39:15.320 Hang on for a second.

00:39:15.940 Yeah.

00:39:16.140 I'm to take it that all the reports that have come out of these universities on topics

00:39:20.420 like that, where I can go back and see that Big Pharma somehow either endowed a chair or

00:39:26.260 gave money for research, that they're all suspect?

00:39:29.220 Well, I think that's the nature of science.

00:39:30.740 But you don't call that fraud.

00:39:32.000 You call that weaponized science.

00:39:33.640 No, I think it's – there's a bit – it's a mix.

00:39:35.660 That's the thing.

00:39:36.240 There's a mix.

00:39:36.800 There's a mix of fraud in weaponized science and then the use of science in a way that

00:39:41.140 is just fooling the public, right?

00:39:43.400 So I'm a scientist.

00:39:44.700 I defend science in the public interest.

00:39:46.480 Can you give me a specific example of either fraud or weaponization in this regards?

00:39:51.020 Yeah, absolutely.

00:39:51.640 So when the CDC whistleblower, who I'm sure you've heard about, William Thompson, came

00:39:56.660 out, he told Brian Hooker that a study that was published in 2004 by Frank DiStefano and

00:40:02.660 a lot of people at the CDC actually buried data so the institutes of medicine could look

00:40:07.660 at it, that the MMR vaccine did indeed seem to contribute to an increased risk of autism

00:40:13.560 in African-American boys.

00:40:15.480 And they manipulated the study by dropping everybody from the study that didn't have a Georgia birth

00:40:20.460 certificate just to reduce the sample size, which is the number of people in the study,

00:40:25.380 so the statistics couldn't pick it up.

00:40:27.740 And that's fraud.

00:40:28.960 So the demarcation between science and fraud is something that's been going on for decades,

00:40:33.820 over 100 years.

00:40:34.500 You mentioned the Institute of Medicine.

00:40:36.460 Correct me if I'm wrong.

00:40:37.480 The Institute of Medicine is one of the most corrupt institutions in the entire federal government

00:40:41.300 that's saying something.

00:40:42.180 Isn't the Institute of Medicine the group that said that Agent Orange could actually be eaten

00:40:48.640 and try to prove it for 10 years?

00:40:50.560 The whole Agent Orange thing started with this Institute of Medicine that has got a track

00:40:55.520 record of being not just for sale but beyond corrupt?

00:40:59.300 I couldn't believe it.

00:40:59.940 When I looked into the authors of this one study I talked about in MMR, it's the same

00:41:03.580 people that did the study on Agent Orange to a person.

00:41:07.480 Oh, stop.

00:41:08.240 You mean the same guys that did the Agent Orange and the same one that did this?

00:41:11.220 Colleen Boyle, Frank DiStefano, others.

00:41:13.400 They were absolutely hired to go to work at CDC because they knew how to fix the science,

00:41:18.060 the data, the fraud.

00:41:19.380 So how many years ago was this?

00:41:21.940 Well, Agent Orange obviously came about after the guys came back.

00:41:25.300 The 70s and the 80s.

00:41:26.440 And started developing cancers and so on.

00:41:28.580 But your example.

00:41:29.140 It was 2004, so the science would have been done 2002, 2003.

00:41:33.280 Can we go back?

00:41:34.220 I mean, why is there not some investigation?

00:41:36.660 Why are criminal charges not brought against this?

00:41:38.620 Well, that's a good question.

00:41:39.540 I think that we're going to probably see some prosecutions on the basis of defrauding

00:41:43.840 the federal government.

00:41:45.320 If I'm funded by the federal government to do science, to do research, and I falsify

00:41:50.400 the data, I can be fined personally and I can be banned from doing research for 10 years.

00:41:55.480 So I think that there's some recourse we can do.

00:41:58.420 Kennedy is still, you know, catching his stride here, right?

00:42:03.180 But I'll tell you, there are journals that have retracted good studies, and that's another

00:42:10.660 aspect of weaponization.

00:42:11.840 They retracted good studies to destroy studies that show that there's a problem with vaccines

00:42:15.620 and other drugs.

00:42:17.480 And the Attorney General's office has been handed a list by Secretary Kennedy of those

00:42:22.340 journals that are helping to falsify the record.

00:42:24.560 Hang on.

00:42:24.920 In fact, we're going to have Brian Hooker on tomorrow.

00:42:27.540 I'm going to try to have Brian Hooker on tomorrow.

00:42:28.960 It's a follow-up to you.

00:42:29.640 Let me get this right, because I think you're breaking news here.

00:42:34.220 Has this been out?

00:42:34.940 This is news.

00:42:35.880 Okay, fine.

00:42:36.120 Well, it's news.

00:42:36.800 So the guy that I heard it from is actually the former office, he's the Office of the Pardon

00:42:42.440 Attorney now, Ed.

00:42:44.760 Ed Martin.

00:42:45.600 Ed Martin.

00:42:46.480 He was at the Association for, sorry, the Association of Physicians and Surgeons meeting last month.

00:42:54.160 I was there.

00:42:55.180 Yes.

00:42:55.440 And he made an announcement that Mr. Kennedy, Secretary Kennedy gave him a list of 28 studies

00:43:01.920 with the journals and layperson summaries that actually they were wrongfully retracted and

00:43:07.540 that those journals have been put on notice by the Attorney General's office.

00:43:10.520 And I was asked by Secretary Kennedy to put that list together for him.

00:43:14.740 And so, and that list is compiled of what again?

00:43:17.900 Journals, scientific journals that publish research studies that pulled studies wrongfully

00:43:23.100 and destroyed science to hide any problems with vaccines or other drugs.

00:43:28.040 But isn't this beyond, because people were damaged by this, isn't this beyond a civil issue

00:43:33.320 that who's going to get paid not?

00:43:34.700 Isn't that like criminal intent?

00:43:36.760 Yeah, I hope so.

00:43:37.500 So it's criminal intent in a number of ways.

00:43:40.560 Who sent them the check?

00:43:42.140 Was it the drug companies, the vaccine manufacturers?

00:43:45.460 Was it the government?

00:43:46.580 Who told them to buy us?

00:43:48.220 So there's collusion, right?

00:43:50.340 There's that.

00:43:51.320 But beyond that, then we also have the fact that, again, these journals, many of them

00:43:56.940 were contracted by the U.S. government to publish science in the public interest.

00:44:01.480 And if they're defrauding the government on that contract, then there's a problem.

00:44:05.100 But no, you're right.

00:44:05.800 I think there's some criminal activity there.

00:44:07.300 Is Secretary Kennedy going to come up and make this as big a deal as it looks like it 0.95

00:44:10.840 is?

00:44:11.040 Because what you're saying, and I think our audience and other people fall into this.

00:44:16.200 You see a guy like Fauci, and we helped sell the book, you know, the hidden Tony Fauci

00:44:22.360 or whatever.

00:44:23.060 And I think we sold 750,000 copies.

00:44:25.400 They did 750.

00:44:26.480 The thing sold over a million and a half.

00:44:27.500 The book's a blockbuster.

00:44:28.840 And it's like the phone book.

00:44:29.980 I mean, it's totally, it's not accessible.

00:44:31.500 It's just, it's just document after document and people couldn't get enough of it.

00:44:36.280 Yeah.

00:44:36.520 But the mistake I think we've made is that people identify Fauci as like Dr. Dr. Evil.

00:44:45.340 The reality is the system itself drives this.

00:44:49.600 So you do have good men and women are caught up in a bit because of careerism.

00:44:53.720 They go along.

00:44:54.340 It's kind of like the SS in World War II to go along to get along.

00:44:57.520 And you've got crimes all over the place.

00:45:00.180 Yeah.

00:45:00.340 I mean, there's a lot of people from the deep state that are still there that are pushing

00:45:04.180 against initiatives from Secretary Kennedy.

00:45:06.680 And it's a, it's a serious problem.

00:45:08.280 Okay.

00:45:08.300 Hang on a second.

00:45:08.920 You've got your tinfoil hat.

00:45:10.160 What do you mean deep state?

00:45:11.020 Talk to me about, I thought deep state was at the CIA, DNI, Pentagon, Justice Department.

00:45:16.980 When you say deep state in medicine, tell our audience what institutions are you talking

00:45:22.060 about that are the deep state?

00:45:23.180 I'm talking about HHS.

00:45:24.580 There's regulatory capture at HHS where people are promised a job.

00:45:28.320 You just saw Peter Marks take a job at a big pharmaceutical company.

00:45:33.140 He was the head of CBER at FTA.

00:45:35.240 That's HHS.

00:45:36.620 You saw Julie Gerberding many years ago take a job at Monsanto.

00:45:40.820 These guys with the revolving door, they'll, they actually go get jobs at the companies

00:45:45.260 that they were regulating just two months ago and it's their golden parachute that needs

00:45:50.280 to stop.

00:45:51.560 So yeah, no, the deep state to me means what you just said, careers and people that are

00:45:55.540 survivors that hold onto their job by doing whatever's necessary to enforce whatever narrative

00:46:01.220 they're told to enforce by the people that are keeping them there.

00:46:04.300 Give me quick, uh, regulatory capture to find that for our audience.

00:46:07.920 Regulatory capture is where agencies in the government actually make policy, uh, that reflects

00:46:14.220 the interest of companies, uh, corporations that they should be regulated.

00:46:19.200 They should be regulating them, but they're actually potentially against the public's interest

00:46:23.640 and against public health.

00:46:25.140 Regulatory capture is one of the biggest threats to public health in the United States.

00:46:29.240 Um, the, um, when you say how big a problem is this to actually go in and get the justice

00:46:36.260 department to start cleaning house over there? 1.00

00:46:37.920 How big a deal?

00:46:38.480 Well, I, most of the people I think that, um, are on the list of, uh, people that falsified

00:46:44.160 science around vaccines, uh, are probably already out or on the way out.

00:46:49.840 So, you know, fixing, fixing the problem really is Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s job.

00:46:56.960 Secretary Kennedy is making appointments now, new appointments at CDC.

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00:48:56.940 Are you Dr. James Lyons Weiler?

00:49:00.060 That's correct.

00:49:00.820 And what's your doctorate in?

00:49:02.000 I have a Ph.D. in ecology and evolutionary biology.

00:49:04.960 But I've been doing biomedical research since 2000.

00:49:07.620 Okay.

00:49:08.000 And you have another scoop for me?

00:49:10.220 I do.

00:49:10.620 So we were talking about fraud and science and vaccines in particular.

00:49:13.640 In fact, you have a website.

00:49:14.760 I want everybody to go to the website.

00:49:16.640 And Grace and I will push it out.

00:49:17.680 What's the website?

00:49:18.660 Popular Rationalism on Substack.

00:49:21.260 Popular Rationalism.

00:49:22.160 Yes, sir.

00:49:23.080 I think I've been to that site before.

00:49:24.640 And you have in there the fraud and all the reports you've been doing?

00:49:28.100 Yeah, you're going to find stuff there.

00:49:29.280 You can also check out the Maha Report published there sometime.

00:49:31.640 I've gone to Popular Rationalism before.

00:49:34.540 What's your scoop?

00:49:35.300 Well, the scoop is that when the CDC decided to study vaccines and pregnancy, they hired

00:49:43.060 a guy named Tom Shimabukuro.

00:49:45.220 Tom Shimabukuro, among our community, is known as CDC's fixer because he makes problems go

00:49:50.620 away.

00:49:51.580 And he actually had data that he did not show to the right committee.

00:49:55.580 Do I have to put up something in advance so we don't get sued by?

00:49:57.500 No, I hope so.

00:49:58.160 It's him.

00:49:58.640 I hope so.

00:49:59.260 This is on me.

00:50:00.300 It's on you.

00:50:00.800 He actually, we have people drawing up affidavits that he showed a 4,250% increase in fetal

00:50:06.820 demise during vaccination during pregnancy with influenza.

00:50:09.480 He was the same guy that he went to, they went to for RSV, the same guy that he went

00:50:14.200 to during pregnancy, the same guy that they went to for COVID vaccine during pregnancy.

00:50:18.320 And you're saying that's not a random choice, right?

00:50:20.260 Oh, hell no.

00:50:22.520 Wouldn't he just be considered the pro in the space?

00:50:24.840 That's why they keep going back to him?

00:50:26.620 Yeah, exactly.

00:50:27.780 Well, why is that a problem?

00:50:29.720 Not a problem for them, but it's a problem for all the women who have lost their children 1.00

00:50:34.200 during pregnancy.

00:50:35.180 You're saying his research is demonstrably wrong?

00:50:37.940 His research is, the research is wrong that he didn't show the results.

00:50:42.360 If you do science, you have to show all your work.

00:50:44.960 I mean, this is basic.

00:50:45.900 And he hid the results?

00:50:46.740 He absolutely hid the results.

00:50:48.100 And how did he hide the results?

00:50:49.500 He hid the results by not presenting it to the committees on vaccine safety.

00:50:52.900 But the parents called him out the first time and he pulled out a CD and he showed them

00:50:56.660 the slide and we have a copy of those data.

00:50:58.780 Okay.

00:50:59.360 Why, why is that, why is Ed Martin not pursuing that?

00:51:03.240 That seems to me pretty catastrophic.

00:51:05.300 Why are we not pursuing this?

00:51:06.180 I didn't say we weren't.

00:51:07.620 Okay, good.

00:51:08.420 That's a scoop.

00:51:09.180 How do people get to you?

00:51:10.380 You got the Substack on Rational, the, what is it, the Popular Rational?

00:51:14.320 Popular Rationalism at substack.com.

00:51:16.920 And if you want to hang out with me, go to ipak-edu.org.

00:51:22.260 We have some fantastic courses there.

00:51:24.160 You can hang out with us.

00:51:24.740 But you've also got the weaponization of science, flaws, and fraud in research.

00:51:29.340 Yeah, go to the mahainstitute.us for that.

00:51:31.600 Maha Institute.

00:51:32.460 Okay, fine.

00:51:34.120 Doc, stick around.

00:51:35.380 We're going to be finished in a second, but thank you for coming in.

00:51:37.180 It's great.

00:51:37.680 It's the spur of the moment.

00:51:38.980 And we're going to be doing all the streaming of this.

00:51:41.780 Dr. Brian Hooker will join us tomorrow on a similar topic.

00:51:45.560 Let's go to Mike Lindell.

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00:54:12.060 Why is he targeting you, sir? 0.96

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00:54:24.480 He's, you know, you have Ilan Omar over there, too.

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00:54:46.900 You're considering doing what?

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Bannon's War Room - October 21, 2025

Episode 4868： Weaponization Of Science： Flaws & Fraud In Research

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