Episode 4874: Texas Goes After Woke Professors; The Battle Continues In Ukraine
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Summary
On this episode of the War Room, host STEPHEN K. VON POWERS sits down with Norm Eisen and Natalie G. Winters to discuss the impact of the government shutdown, the role of civil rights groups in the fight against it, and the need for accountability.
Transcript
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We've seen poll after poll lately where Donald Trump is at historic approval ratings, down as low as 37 percent.
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When I worked in the White House, which I view as holy ground because of the lives that have been sacrificed for the American idea that that building represents,
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when I would walk in that East Wing that is so cruelly torn down, I would get chills at the history of what had happened in that building.
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I do think the American people get the totality.
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And the thing that Donald Trump is doing, he's tearing down that building, but he's tearing down the human infrastructure.
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He's attacking the government employees in this shutdown.
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That is why we at the Democracy Defender Fund have gone to court with our partners, with the federal employee labor unions and other wonderful partners.
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We got the latest one today to say you can't tear down the human infrastructure.
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So I do think you're seeing a public repudiation of Trump.
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And, of course, we're going to have a referendum on him.
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New Jersey, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Supreme Court, retention races.
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And I think you're going to see powerful repudiation.
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Today, I'm signing an executive order creating the Illinois Accountability Commission, a body dedicated to truth, transparency and justice.
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The commission will be charged with three core missions.
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Two, capturing the impact on families and communities.
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And three, recommending actions to prevent further harm and to pursue justice.
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The commission will be led by truly an extraordinary group of highly qualified leaders who reflect Illinois' deep expertise, integrity and commitment to justice.
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With support from the Illinois Department of Human Rights, the commission will collect testimony, hold hearings and gather information and firsthand accounts from individuals, community members, subject matter experts, local officials, journalists, faith leaders and organizations.
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The commission and the commission and the records they gather will shine more light on the misconduct of Trump's federal agents.
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The Trump administration officials have demonstrated on more than one occasion that they are willing to lie to the public and the media to mask their misdeeds.
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They have already and will continue to cover up abuses of power, cross the legal limits of their authority and attempt to justify dangerous attacks that threaten our people and our communities.
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We hope to reveal to the public in Chicago, the state of Illinois, across the nation and around the world, the facts on the ground about what is happening here.
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We intend to create a detailed record of the truth.
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And once this all ends, people of good faith will review what this commission has gathered and will demand accountability.
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Indeed, people are demanding that accountability even now.
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Pray for our enemies, because we're going to medieval on these people.
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Here's the time I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
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I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
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And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
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I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
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If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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It's Thursday, October 23rd in the year of our Lord 2025.
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Winters hosting, filling in for the one and only Stephen K.
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I guess he has to take a show off from time to time, but don't go anywhere.
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So much is happening, and you know it's not an episode of the War Room without starting with a wonderful, usually, MSNBC cold open.
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That's, of course, the one and only Norm Eisen, who I have to say, I've watched a lot of his clips.
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And I think the War Room posse, President Trump and his administration should pat themselves on the back for that one because we keep him up all night filing lawsuit after lawsuit.
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And I would also posit to our dear friend, leading color revolution architect Norm, that the reason that you got chills when you used to go to the East Wing, it wasn't because of the grandeur of the room.
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It was because of the, should I say, crimes against humanity or at least against the American people, though I know you carried out your color revolutions abroad, too, that you were committing.
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And I'd also posit to J.B. Pritzker, who's sounding a little bit like the War Room, not just because he's championing states' rights.
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When you see all these blue state governors beating the drum of states' rights, I don't think that'll age too well.
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But when he's talking about accountability, because last time I checked, I think War Room has trademarked accountability as what we really mean.
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When we call for retribution, and there is perhaps no better issue that encapsulates the idea of getting retribution, getting justice, getting accountability, than the issue of immigration, particularly the mass deportations of the tens of millions of illegal aliens that are here.
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But, you know, we want to go a step further, and that is, of course, holding the NGOs and the people financing this mass migration, a weapon of mass migration, accountable.
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And, of course, someone who has, I think, been at the tip of the spear in leading that fight, trying to get the Trump administration to do just that, is the one and only Mike Howell from the Oversight Project, who joins us now.
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Mike, I'm curious to get your thoughts on this new kind of week, obviously, for Optics Commission launched by Governor Pritzker,
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but also with what you guys have been doing on the work to ensure that the, you know, ragtag, just group of fools, what was it, the couple Democrat congressmen, like Monica McIver, some other, I didn't even know their names until they tried to raid an ICE facility.
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But what, where we stand on holding those people accountable criminally, I would love to see them in jail.
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But I don't know if the Trump administration shares that same opinion.
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Yeah, where to begin there? First, congratulations to Governor Pritzker, who wants to start his own oversight project.
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All right, buddy, good luck. Yours will never be as good as ours.
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And I look forward to suing yours, because your chief problem is, it's a really dumb idea to write down all the crimes that are being committed by Chicago and Illinois officials
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that are obstructing ICE every single day and trying to create the conditions for basically nullification.
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So document your crimes away. See you in court soon with your little mock oversight project, Governor Pritzker.
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But on the nonprofits, so much accountability to be had.
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Let's talk really quickly about something that if the Congress ever gets back in session,
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it doesn't look like the Democrats will ever open government again, but is going to be on the table.
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That's this little swamp program of all these NGOs that populate under what's known as the Trafficking Victims Protection Act, TVPA.
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It's this old, you know, 2000, I think it was passed in the year 2000, law at a time when like some 600 to 800,000 victims of trafficking existed,
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according to the State Department. Over the next 25 years, that number exploded to some 27 million.
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So a lot more people trafficked since this law passed.
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And it spawned this whole web of government funded nonprofit groups that are basically pushing the wokest furthest left DEI policies to the tunes of millions of dollars from the government.
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They're now suing President Trump to keep that slush fund alive.
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You have the wokest groups that are this called Freedom Partners USA.
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They're up in Pritzkerville in Illinois, in Chicago, trying to get a favorable jurisdiction to turn the spigot back on.
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And then also these just really novel theories of mind control that you can guess how they'll be applied should the Democrats ever take power again.
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But a bunch more to cover if you want to talk McIver or any others.
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Well, yeah, I saw you guys had pointed out in the legal complaint that they had put forth against the Trump administration might be the greatest case of projection I've ever seen.
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But saying that President Trump and his administration was acting like a human trafficker by trying to strip them of their, I think, poorly deserved, if not outright fraudulent, racketeering type funding mechanisms that, like we said, President Trump stopped.
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But feel free to drill down and you could bring in.
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I know you guys have done some good work on the No Kings front, the 50-51 movements, the sort of almost, I mean, it is internationally, globally financed.
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But how all these movements are converging right now and where we stand on the fight of pushing back.
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Yeah, so there's a lot of money swirling around.
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Of course, a ton of it is government money that went out during the Biden years at a scale we've never seen before.
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But that also explains, you know, why Eisen's there on TV with his latest grip suing to stop the construction.
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It's because there's so many just extraordinarily wealthy people, a lot of these tech oligarchs too, who are, you know, all of a sudden trying to play both sides.
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But they just have a lot of money and a lot of anger out there.
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And there are people like Norm Eisen who are popping up being like, give me your money.
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I'll do a meaningless lawsuit to stop the demolition of an old building on the White House grounds that will be improved and paid for, not even by the taxpayers.
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But those same groups operate in, you know, every other space.
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It's not just this, you know, trafficking victims programs, which is a colossal woke waste that doesn't even benefit actual victims.
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But in the NGO front, you're seeing a lot of these groups involved in the obstruction of ICE business and proliferating what they're calling protests.
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And the media calls them protests, but they're not protests.
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They're not First Amendment protective activity.
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They're basically trying to obstruct the enforcement of actual immigration law in this country, which has been enforced for a long time.
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You keep going down the list with the no king stuff.
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You got this huge hodgepodge of all these other well-moneyed groups that are downstream of the money managers like Arabella and, you know, even the likes of Zuckerberg and the Chan Initiative, all of that.
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Our good friend Seamus Bruner at GAI has a good money map that'll show you how the money's spent.
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But the interesting thing now is the left is so angry and so out of control.
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They aren't even pretending to vet their partner organizations.
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You have the Communist Party and very hardcore international units that are directly involved in no kinks.
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They're taking anyone they can possibly get to turn Americans into street action and then grossly exaggerate.
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They're running around saying 7 million people were on the streets last Saturday.
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It was probably a few hundred thousand at best.
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But we've done some deep dives into these groups and the organizers, and they're always one skip away from the likes of Antifa International or, you know, people in the John Brown Hunting Club, you know, which is clearly an allusion to taking up arms just like John Brown did.
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And, you know, 100 plus years ago to fight their perceived enemies on, you know, trying to liken it to some civil rights struggle when it's nothing more than domestic terrorism.
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They've opened the gates of hell, essentially, on the far left.
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And a lot of countries like, you know, China are taking advantage of sowing these seeds of discord on the backs of, frankly, a lot of mentally ill boomers that are involved in these SSRI costume parties, but then also some actual violent actors.
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And that's the violence you're seeing in the streets.
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And, Mike, just give me a minute on where you think these demonstrations are going.
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What are the next events or, you know, orchestrated or otherwise that you think the No Kings, all that movement, there's a lot of groups involved there, have planned.
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So I'm sure No Kings in a couple months will schedule another, you know, big thing that they can get Chuck Schumer and everyone else to promote, along with the Communist Party of New York.
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But what I'm actually most keenly targeting are the things that have the highest propensity for violence.
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And I think those are the ICE protests that will continue to be the target for domestic terrorists in this country.
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And you're seeing the mainstreaming of that with the Democrat Party.
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You know, they're claiming that the ICE is somehow breaking the law, but they're not.
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What they're trying to do is set the conditions for saying, you know, stochastic terrorism, essentially, that you're justified by interfering with the lawful enforcement of immigration law, even at a small scale.
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And we talk about this a lot. Not a lot of people are getting deported.
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This is routine stuff. This is Obama-level numbers.
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Nevertheless, they're telling the crazies out there that it's okay to show up to ICE facilities.
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And so where the rubber hits the road is going to be whether the Trump administration can have their National Security Presidential Memorandum 7,
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which is the framework for the whole government response.
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It brings in Treasury, the IRS, the Joint Terrorism Task Force, the FBI, DOJ, who's supposed to prosecute not just the stuff they want to, but everything they can.
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And so I'm waiting to see the government implement the test of that.
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I want to get into this in more nuance after the break, how we can use this, what it actually looks like, the DOJ using these new Antifa statutes.
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So hang with us, Warren Posse, hang with us, too.
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We've got Sam Faddis, Brian Harrison, if you can believe it, illegals found on the voting rolls in, you guessed it, Texas.
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And it's where all the biggest voices in conservative media are speaking out.
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It's where I put up exclusively all of my content 24 hours a day.
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And that's why we need a whole-of-society response to it.
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Were those 7 million people who turned out over the weekend scared?
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Maybe some of them were, but they showed up and marched anyhow.
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He's coming on the air, and even though Trump has targeted him, he's speaking out.
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Now, we're very proud at Democracy Defenders Fund to represent Miles, and he'll have an army
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behind him if they dare come after him, including my friend, the great criminal defense lawyer
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Abby Lowe, who's working on the Tish James case.
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The universities, most of them, refuse to sign that compact.
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Yes, it is a lot that Donald Trump has, the power of government, but we have a lot on our
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You're back in the war room where we don't like to take victory laps because we don't want
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to be right, but for all the times that we've recalled, we think there's no better.
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Not just tacit, but explicit admission of that than the fact that him and his shady group
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of probably foreign-funded, the democracy defenders, okay, the democracy destroyers is probably
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what I would call them, defending the formerly anonymous, alleged Republican-turned-lifelong
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Democrat and Democrat donor, Miles Taylor, in court against the Trump administration.
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I guess case closed, not that there was any ever lingering or questions there.
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I think we always knew where Norm Eisenfeld, but that shows you.
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That is the steady state in action, probably part of Antifa, too.
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Obviously, the Trump administration has been taking some big steps in designating them.
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A terrorist group, I think there's some foreign financing there, too, I'd probably look at.
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Mike Howell, you guys over at Oversight, much better than J.B.
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Pritzker's oversight efforts, have been digging into that.
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But before we let you go, I just wanted to let you finish what you were talking about with
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that new memo, this sort of national security strategy, what the Trump administration rhetorically
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is saying they're doing and why that's important, but why we need to ensure that we bridge that
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gap and make sure that those words translate into action.
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It looks like Miles Taylor is joining a boy band in some weird midlife crisis.
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That was a heck of a get-up that he was rocking there on MSNBC.
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Yeah, it kind of looks like him and Rachel Maddow are sharing the same status, to be
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But National Security Policy Memorandum 7, hugely important, okay, if implemented.
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So what this document is, it's the comprehensive strategy of the Trump administration looping
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What it does is it names the threat, things like yelling anti-fascism, dehumanizing your opponents
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that way, immigration extremism, the like, all of the problems we're seeing that pervade
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And so it directs the government to go out and counter those things when they get into
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Now, the great part of it, and what it'll hinge on, is it tells DOJ, Attorney General
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Pam Bondi, if you can prosecute, you must prosecute.
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In other words, we don't care what the DOJ policy preferences are or what the line prosecutors
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So what this should mean, if faithfully implemented, is that these organizations should be wrapped
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up and shut down, and we should see prosecutions skyrocket.
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No more of this where allowing people to show up, throw rocks at ice, and some get arrested,
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The White House has said, you have all these tools, government.
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So it's only been a few weeks, and the left's figuring it out.
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All of their big law firms and talking heads and even some senators understand what this
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could look like if actually implemented, because it's existential to them.
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It links the Democrat Party to domestic terrorism, because that is what is happening.
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So it's on the Trump administration now to put the pedal to the metal and implement this
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We're going to do everything we can to help make that happen.
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Mike Howell, as always, thank you so much for joining us.
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If people want to follow you, check out everything you guys are working on over there.
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Check us out on X at It's Your Gov, and I am at M Howell Tweets.
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I want to play a clip of our next guest, the one and only representative, Brian Harrison,
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speaking, I believe, earlier today on the floor, talking about what it seems like you're
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I guess today we have the pleasure of not just attacking the rhinos, though, of course,
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they are responsible for the issue that I wanted to have him on to discuss, which is
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the, I think, alleged discovery of around 3,000 illegal aliens potentially voting in Texas
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elections, or at least eligible to vote on the voting rolls.
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But let's play this clip, and then we'll bring Representative Harrison on.
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I could be surprised, but rent corruption has become so accessible in the House, it
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What this motion does, for folks who didn't follow, they are going to kill, I don't even
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know how many pages here, of conservative amendments without even allowing debate on them.
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What this is doing is it's not just silencing the amendment author, this is silencing the
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millions of Texans that they represent and depriving them representation on the floor of the House.
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The amendments that they are killing with this motion right here include amendments to stop
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taxpayer funding of DEI, they include amendments to stop taxpayer funding of liberal gender
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ideology in our state agencies and our public universities, they include amendments to stop
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corporate welfare and crony corporatism, they include amendments to stop forcing Texans to
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fund liberal Hollywood, and they include amendments that would force our agencies to be fiscally
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responsible, fiscally responsible by requiring across-the-board cuts.
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This is outrageous, and this is all happening, it's not, it's bad enough that it's happening at all,
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We should be allowed, whether you like these amendments or don't like these amendments,
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we should be allowed to debate them on the merits as a body.
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So this tyrannical motion effectively silences millions of people, and I strongly urge my
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colleagues to join me in voting no, unless, of course, you want to continue forcing your
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taxpayers to fund DEI, liberal gender ideology, and all kinds of other woke leftist nonsense.
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rep harrison you join us now can you walk us through yet again how so many elected republicans
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are failing their constituents not just in the great state of texas but frankly the country
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writ large yeah it's getting exhausting always great to be with you natalie as one of the
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biggest and most underreported scandals i think in the whole country is that the texas government
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notwithstanding the gaslighting coming from our governor lieutenant governor and all kinds of
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other you know our so-called republican speaker every time they're in the national media saying
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that you know texas is leading in conservative values and small government low taxes it's nothing
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but a myth and what your viewers uh across the country got to watch right there in that one you
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know in just two minutes what they basically watched was almost every so-called republican
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in the texas house of representatives vote to kill all the amendments that would have stopped
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taxpayer funding of dei transgender indoctrination liberal hollywood corporate welfare and whatever
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so when you hear you know and our governor makes a habit of this of putting out tweets or going on
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other networks that i won't mention here and saying that the texas government has gotten rid of liberal
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indoctrination in our public universities not only is that a lie you just watched elected republicans vote
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to continue funding it at taxpayer expense and here's the reality the texas government might well be the
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biggest funder of pretty much everything the democrat party has been pushing for transgender
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indoctrination uh dei crony corporatism corporate welfare i mean basically texans are being taxed out
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of our homes to fund just about everything that charlie kirk dedicated his life to defeating and it's
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absolutely outrageous but i appreciate you uh showing the posse and millions of people across the
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country how the texas government we should be the line in the sand by the way i mean i think we're
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to as steve and i and you talk about all the time we're in a fight for the future of western
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civilization and even though texas isn't considered a battleground state texas has long been the crown
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jewel of the left's plan to destroy america if freedom is lost here in texas we'll never get a
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conservative republican back in the white house again the entire future of our country is on the
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line here and texas needs to start acting like it and can you just start walking us through they
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obviously know that is you know the front line as you said for western civilization i think they also
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have some weird sadistic glee and blueing texas right you always hear that phrase it's like well
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if you import you know millions of people from third world countries that are in america i don't
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really know if you're actually winning elections you're you're rigging them and there's a analytical
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addiction difference there that that matters um but speaking of that can you walk us through i
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believe was your ag uh found potentially 2700 or so names on these voting rolls what exactly is going on
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there yeah no the number is likely even higher than that so yeah so thank you to the trump
00:26:32.240
administration quite frankly for doing more for election integrity than the entire so-called
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republican government in the state of texas has for the last decade or more because of a trump
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administration initiative to compare give us data to work with with dhs to compare our voter rolls we
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have identified thousands maybe well into the tens of thousands of illegal aliens that are on our voting
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rolls and while that's big news and that's making national headlines right now the bigger story
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is that i and other conservatives have been screaming from the rafters about this exact
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they it's been an open secret that illegal aliens are getting on our voter rolls so what i tweeted out
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when this news came out i was like okay well this is great but who was responsible for putting all of
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these illegal aliens on our voter rolls in the first place and just last year and i think the war room was on
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this story too um our secretary of state when people were coming in to vote in last year's
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today speaking of patriot mobile they're obviously out in texas we still got representative harrison we're
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going to have sam fatt is joining us after um but rep harrison before we let you go i want to have you
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finish what you're talking on the election front but i think it's going to tie in perfectly to this
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concept of unity that we keep hearing uh being pushed on all of us right with these you know far left
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democrats who have made it very clear that they're okay with assassinating people they disagree with
00:30:28.480
and one of those who i think your your colleagues found unity with they've helped support the kind
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of sellout republican speaker a democrat went on cnn although i guess i'm sorry to call her your
00:30:38.100
colleague that's unfortunate for you i think much higher of you uh but said some really wild wild
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belligerent very aggressive things i want to play the clip and give you a chance to respond
00:30:48.860
i'm from the hood okay so when a bully comes like if there are no rules you literally have to figure
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it out so donald trump has changed things and people trying to do what's always been done is not
00:31:03.080
going to work and i think that's why democrats are losing black people that's why they're losing
00:31:07.240
poor people because poor people all they want is for us to fight so if you hit me in my face i'm not
00:31:13.460
going to punch you back in your face i'm going to go across your neck because we can go back and forth
00:31:18.660
fighting each other's faces you've got to hit hard enough where they won't come back and so yeah for
00:31:24.920
the same way i went to new york and spoke with governor kathy hochel and said if they're going to
00:31:30.400
try to wipe us out in texas we need to wipe out every republican in new york in california in illinois
00:31:37.260
so no one can make me feel bad about fighting for the people that i represent because the people
00:31:43.680
that i represent need someone who's willing to go in the ring and fight for them and that's exactly
00:31:48.920
what i'm going to do yikes representative harrison before we let you go just give us your thoughts on
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that and please wrap up if there's anything outstanding on the election front that the audience
00:32:00.360
needs to know well on on the issue of yes she is my colleague unfortunately um yeah that is um
00:32:08.100
on this thing of unity let me say this real quick i have no interest whatsoever and my voters did not
00:32:13.700
elect me to go and unify with the radical marxist socialist leftist progressives who want to deprive
00:32:20.480
my kids and and your kids or grandkids or the next generation of liberty and freedom and the
00:32:26.060
the blessings of prosperity that come with it i'm sick and tired but that's exactly what we've got going on
00:32:30.240
not just in dc we hear people talk about the uniparty in dc it's actually worse it's going to
00:32:35.000
shock people in texas jolanda jones who you just described right there she is actually part of the
00:32:40.320
governing coalition in the texas house she was one of the big supporters of our so-called republican
00:32:46.660
speaker of the texas house she voted she helped elect the republican who's now the speaker of the texas
00:32:52.640
house and in turn he rewarded this radical leftist you know open borders anti-second amendment
00:32:59.380
pro-abortion blm activists you know barack obama joe biden nancy pelosi loving democrat he rewarded
00:33:05.120
her with letting her pass over eight separate bills just this year alone meanwhile actual
00:33:12.900
conservative republicans in the texas house aren't allowed to pass any pieces of legislation so it's
00:33:17.740
worse than unity radical leftist democrats are actually empowered their agenda advances and their
00:33:24.100
legislation is prioritized over trump supporting liberty loving conservative republicans in the
00:33:29.900
texas house of representatives that's how far off the rails and how corrupt things are down here in
00:33:35.860
the state of texas and then finally just on election integrity because i mean we can never have the
00:33:39.160
outcome of our elections called into question again the state of texas despite what elected leaders
00:33:43.500
down here are telling people in national media we didn't do a single serious thing to protect the
00:33:48.340
integrity of our elections we didn't do anything to make it harder for illegal aliens to get on our
00:33:52.120
voter rolls and i'm very grateful for the trump administration's new program which is if it
00:33:55.480
weren't for that we wouldn't have the facts in front of us with all of these illegals that are
00:33:59.140
on our voting rolls but there's got to start being responsibility and repercussions for so-called
00:34:03.900
uniparty republicans who allow illegal aliens to vote and who empower radical leftist democrats who
00:34:09.160
arguably are inciting violence you know on our nation's airwaves it's outrageous texas needs to start
00:34:14.120
acting like uh the future of our country and our states on the line because it absolutely is i know you
00:34:18.760
natalie and steve and the posse all know that yes to uh to use a word that i believe i heard governor
00:34:24.600
pritzker say recently we could use some accountability it's our own form of an accountability
00:34:29.080
project representative harrison thank you so much we'll culturally appropriate that one though i think
00:34:33.560
he uh he stole it from us to begin with um but where can people follow you stay up to date with
00:34:38.040
everything thing you're working on yeah if you want if you want the truth on what's going on down
00:34:43.000
here in texas uh the only place to find it is on my twitter feed the most hated twitter feed
00:34:47.640
in the entire texas and as capital city of austin at brian e harrison please like follow share at brian
00:34:55.080
e harrison on x at brian e harrison and always great to be with you natalie god bless y'all god
00:34:59.960
bless america god bless the great state of texas thank you sir for joining us we'll have you back on
00:35:07.000
honored to have on the one and only sam faddis now who i want to get into ukraine stuff with but
00:35:14.600
there is some breaking news i know steve has been coming in hot on getter the latest with everything
00:35:20.280
related to arctic frost he's calling for you guessed it more indictments obviously the war and posse
00:35:25.320
is in full agreement with him but uh senator grassley received new documents from the doj
00:35:30.920
proving that ag merrick garland deputy ag lisa monaco and fbi director chris ray all personally
00:35:36.920
approved um launching or opening arctic frost obviously that laid the groundwork for so many
00:35:42.200
of these you know biden investigations whether it was the jack smith false electors case kind of giving
00:35:47.240
them you know carte blanche to go after anyone they deemed uh an enemy i think historically i've
00:35:52.760
heard that go down before it doesn't end too well although i guess in this case we won the election
00:35:56.760
again um but can you just give us sort of your thoughts on how this goes all the way to the top
00:36:02.200
ag deputy ag fbi director your thoughts on this well look i'm happy to hear that we now have
00:36:11.720
the proof of that as a matter of common sense and as a legal issue it obviously anybody who was paying
00:36:17.400
attention understood that this went all the way to the top all along right you don't start targeting the
00:36:23.800
communications and of sitting u.s senators and stopping congressmen and seizing their personal cell
00:36:30.040
phones without making sure you've got that backed up do people need to be indicted a lot more people
00:36:36.440
yes do people need to go to jail yes this is outrageous and it is it's another one of those
00:36:43.080
points like you and steve are always talking about we're either going to take a stand and
00:36:47.960
preserve the rule of law in the constitution or we're going to just let the republic slide over the
00:36:54.120
cliff i mean you can't have the fbi targeting political opponents of the president of the
00:37:00.920
united states just because they're political opponents you can't do that
00:37:07.400
and speaking of this this escalation we're obviously seeing it happen abroad too
00:37:11.720
in regard to ukraine i know i think i had you on it was in the lead up to the transition where we saw
00:37:18.440
a lot of democrat and republican senators kind of the ones that are bought off by of course the the war
00:37:23.080
lobby were we're back channeling to try to get these long-range missiles approved for use in
00:37:28.040
ukraine our theory of the case being that they wanted to hand president trump the most you know
00:37:32.600
convoluted uh situation there right basically ensuring that it would turn into another forever
00:37:39.240
war obviously the military industrial complex would love that but now i have to say i i'm quite i don't
00:37:44.840
know if shocked is the word there have been some interesting decisions but i think a little confused as
00:37:50.360
to why the trump administration is approving the use of these long-range uh missiles and you can sort
00:37:56.280
of walk us through what exactly that that means and and the significance of it and why now
00:38:03.960
well the significance of the long-range missiles i mean twofold first of all obviously they can hit
00:38:09.000
targets that up until now the ukrainians haven't been able to hit including depending on exactly which
00:38:14.840
missile system we're talking about moscow so they can take take the war directly directly there the
00:38:22.680
other aspect of this to understand is firing the missile is one thing telling the missile where it's
00:38:29.080
going to go is another and that targeting data and everything that goes into that process requires direct
00:38:36.440
involvement of the united states really i mean we boiled out to simplify it we got it we got to
00:38:42.600
we got to help them and make it possible for this to happen so it is a very significant step what do
00:38:48.200
i think is going on uh look trump has been pretty clear to putin i want to end the war trump has been
00:38:56.040
very clear to zelinski you're not getting all your territory back you need to just bite the bullet and
00:39:01.400
accept it and drop that demand effectively things are going to end up at best with with everybody where
00:39:09.880
they are right now i don't mean to say like down to the square meter but that's that's where it's
00:39:14.760
going to be and those are huge those are huge things putin is still dragging his feet so trump is
00:39:23.320
turning up the heat on him he's letting him know listen i'm working with you i want to end this thing
00:39:30.920
and i've put a lot of pressure on zelinski but you're going to have to give
00:39:35.080
to me as big as the missile thing is the bigger issue is what trump's doing to russian oil and gas
00:39:43.160
he is methodically going around the world sanctioning people putting in place measures cutting off russian
00:39:52.200
oil sales piece by piece by piece russia runs its government off of the revenue from oil and gas sales
00:40:00.360
that's their one trick pony and without that money they cannot they can't continue the war wars are
00:40:07.800
expensive so he is gradually tightening the noose on on putin and i think ultimately that's going to be
00:40:15.400
what's going to end this thing and i'm just curious timeline wise those sanctions you know how quick do you
00:40:23.320
think that's either going to drive putin to the table is that going to embolden ukraine what do you think
00:40:28.360
our audience can look forward to with the timeline of this potentially resolving or escalating hopefully
00:40:34.440
the former you know i think i've said to both you and steve before watching these negotiations
00:40:41.560
over ending the war is going to be like pounding a nail into your forehead i mean and anybody who's
00:40:47.880
anybody who's looking for a nice clean quick resolution is already disappointed and will be
00:40:54.040
more disappointed this will still drag on for a while but i think if putin is smart and he is
00:41:01.960
he will understand that the time to make a deal is not when i'm already broke and the tanks are running
00:41:08.440
out of gas on the battlefield that's because then the ukrainians will be the ones saying wow we don't want
00:41:15.080
to make peace the time to make a deal is is fast approaching he's he's kind of reached reached his
00:41:23.320
peak he just i mean if you look online as as i do and look at video coming out of ukraine and see some
00:41:30.200
of the russian tanks that are being seized by the ukrainians on the battlefield they look like wrecks
00:41:36.360
they're literally 60 year old tanks that never should have been outside a museum and they're half
00:41:41.560
fallen apart i mean putin putin is already scraping to keep this thing going so within months i would
00:41:49.160
hope if we're luckier than that maybe weeks we'll see and sam if you can hang with us through the
00:41:55.960
break because i want to really loop this back into what's going on also on the china front with
00:42:00.360
everything related to the critical minerals the rare earths obviously all of this has to do with the
00:42:05.160
broader geopolitical struggle as much as everyone here in dc tries to uh make it not about that so hang
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welcome back to the war room we are still joined by sam thadis sam we're going to do a two-part
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question here i want to get your analysis of where we stand on the sort of impending uh disaster that
00:45:06.840
is what china is doing with regard to critical minerals and rare earths but second part how what
00:45:12.200
is going on in ukraine and particularly the sanctioning of russian energy and oil and all that how that sort of
00:45:18.760
compounds or impacts that as well yeah well i think it's a great it's a great a great thing that you
00:45:25.640
pose those questions as as two parts because it it gets across the fact that what trump is having to do
00:45:34.600
is he's having to juggle a whole bunch of balls simultaneously and all of these things these
00:45:40.920
different things are interrelated and they all impact other things so he's in regard to ukraine
00:45:48.920
as i said he's methodically working to cut off oil and gas sales by the russians because when they can't
00:45:55.960
sell oil and gas they can't pay for the war and it's all over and he's pushing the europeans and the
00:46:02.200
indians and the chinese and he's having considerable success even the chinese announced i think it was today
00:46:09.240
that at least four of their state-owned oil companies won't buy russian oil anymore
00:46:13.800
now they still get a lot of oil from other ways so there's that's one of those things it's partly
00:46:19.640
symbolic but the fact that the chinese are doing it is is still important but simultaneously trump's
00:46:27.480
having to balance this whole business with rare earth minerals i mean our whole economy at this point
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is essentially dependent upon technologies that require earth rare earth minerals including all
00:46:40.200
the cool green stuff that biden made everybody buy and the chinese have a virtual complete block on all of
00:46:48.520
those minerals and we've done nothing to break it so what does that mean it means he can only push the
00:46:53.640
chinese so hard he's got to keep that in his mind as he negotiates
00:46:58.440
and he's got to frantically try to get us to go back to producing our own rare earth minerals
00:47:04.360
and producing our own technologies and somehow this administration is actually doing
00:47:11.480
all of that stuff simultaneously i mean signing deals with the australians opening mines in alaska
00:47:18.840
pushing the chinese it's it's it's it will be an ongoing process for some time because that's a big
00:47:25.960
hammer that the chinese have on the other hand they know if they drop it completely and finally
00:47:32.840
then any chance they hope to have of preserving an economic relationship with the u.s at least is over
00:47:40.920
i mean that's pretty damn close to a declaration of of war and i don't mean that quite as dramatic as
00:47:47.960
that sound but you can't do that and hold that line and not not basically rupture the whole world
00:47:55.880
economy i mean nothing will be the same after that it might be the uh most prime example of unrestricted
00:48:03.640
warfare specifically economic warfare that we've seen today sam fettis i appreciate you coming on the show
00:48:09.640
today and always people obviously want to stay up to date with everything you're working on the
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substack where can they go to uh to read it all yeah go to and magazine and magazine.substack.com and
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that will take you to every place else we are on the web thanks for having me on
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thank you sir for joining us we'll have you back on soon
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