Bannon's War Room - Episode 4882： ICE Under Threat; Stopping Illegals From Terrorizing The Trucking Industry; Indictment Of Jack Smith

00:00:00.000 Let him testify publicly. It's a question with added weight amid revelations in a new book by journalist Jonathan Karl.

00:00:08.340 The ABC correspondent says Smith had access to handwritten notes from former Vice President Mike Pence, scribbled down on January 6th.

00:00:17.360 And Smith was prepared to use those notes to prosecute the president.

00:00:21.680 We should add, MSNBC has not seen those notes or confirmed their contents.

00:00:25.780 With everything the president has imposed on the federal government since he got back into office, his first term now looks like a model of restraint, as in looks a whole lot tamer back then.

00:00:37.440 The president himself sees it, too. Quote, everyone is on my side now, he says. They were fighting against me last time.

00:00:45.220 One of my next guests argues the president is now on his way to creating a new world order during this second term.

00:00:52.380 Financial Times Ed Luce says he interviewed dozens of lawmakers, CEOs, military leaders, lawyers, diplomats and Trump insiders, all of whom described an administration operating on fear, control and retribution.

00:01:08.040 Jack Smith has been talking lately and he has been revealing interesting tidbits.

00:01:13.120 And I think the Republicans bring Jack Smith to testify publicly at their peril because he's a forceful and articulate narrator of what happened with criminal investigations into the now sitting president.

00:01:26.560 And here's the thing, you know, the Republicans have been saying over and over again that Jack Smith weaponized.

00:01:31.440 He was he participated in the weaponization of the Biden Justice Department, that essentially this was all a plot by Democrats to target Jack Donald Trump based on bogus allegations.

00:01:41.660 Jack Smith is living refutation of that. They produce no evidence to support those allegations.

00:01:46.480 And when Jack Smith comes up and talks, they're still not going to have that evidence.

00:01:50.660 And he's got a lot of evidence to the contrary, actually, many careful steps that were taken that show actually that this this investigation didn't move as quickly as it could have and didn't take some steps that it could have that would have made it perhaps more successful.

00:02:04.740 And so it's going to be a really interesting moment if he does testify publicly.

00:02:09.020 So I wouldn't I go light on the new world order.

00:02:12.220 I would I think I was characterized the piece being characterized rather than by our headline writers rather than what I was writing about, which is Trump's domestic supremacy.

00:02:23.280 Now, he can blow hot and cold to the rest of the world, vaporizing, you know, boats in the Caribbean.

00:02:29.640 One moment and saying arranging a Gaza ceasefire and saying he deserves the Nobel Prize the next.

00:02:36.900 But at home, it has been pretty much all in one direction.

00:02:40.400 And that direction has been towards challenging the rule of law in some cases, just blatantly ignoring court orders and rearranging the senior military brand,

00:02:51.220 hiring people who stand in his way and indeed casting a chill over law firms, corporations, employers that to try and intimidate them from standing up to him.

00:03:03.420 So I think this is the really massive difference from his first term.

00:03:08.160 And I think that the speed with which this has happened and this piece was looking at Trump's first year dating from November the 5th, his election victory, not from his inauguration in January the 20th.

00:03:20.120 I think the speed with which he's moved forward on his agenda and the punch drunkenness of a lot of American civil society, not everybody.

00:03:32.800 Some people are standing up. There are some a couple of small law firms that represent, you know, people who are suing the Trump administration.

00:03:41.700 But basically, there's been pretty much people keeping their heads down.

00:03:46.700 And I think that's a very striking difference between Trump 1.0 and Trump 2.0.

00:03:52.480 There are no adults in his administration.

00:03:55.660 Do you think he will ultimately be indicted or at least charged with a crime, at least an effort to be indicted?

00:04:03.440 And and what is to stop this administration from weaponizing the DOJ?

00:04:09.180 There's not much to stop it. First of all, I do see him trying to do that.

00:04:12.900 I think Jim Jordan and somebody in the White House, maybe Donald Trump, have come up with this plot to get him behind closed doors, get some snippets of testimony,

00:04:20.880 do the same thing they did with Letitia James, taking information out of context and statements out of context, out of her mortgage writer.

00:04:29.060 The same thing they did with Jim Comey and making it into some kind of a substantive and look, at least appearing substantive indictment to just charge him with having brought two prosecutions against Donald Trump.

00:04:42.940 This doesn't kind of ring right in terms of a criminal prosecution.

00:04:48.700 But a perjury prosecution is a little bit more technical and it distracts the public and it distracts the press.

00:04:56.220 They haven't even, you know, properly reported on the details of both of those prosecutions to show that they're just totally unfounded,

00:05:05.220 totally bogus because they've taken information selectively out of certain documents.

00:05:10.220 And the only real kind of potential that we have here is, one, if one of the judges in one of these cases felt that they had to do this,

00:05:22.140 they could actually appoint a private attorney as a special counsel to investigate the matter.

00:05:28.420 So a judge could go and do that. It wouldn't have to come from the DOJ like we've seen appointing special counsel.

00:05:34.120 There's a Supreme Court case right on point where in terms of contempt of court,

00:05:38.480 which this would be using court processes to go after your political enemies to seek retribution.

00:05:44.960 That is not valid. That is contempt of court.

00:05:48.300 And it would permit the judge to actually appoint a special attorney to look at that.

00:05:53.480 And if he determined there was evidence, he could go ahead and prosecute that case right in front of that judge.

00:05:58.760 They don't have to give it to the Department of Justice.

00:06:00.920 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:06:08.600 Pray for our enemies.

00:06:10.500 Because we're going medieval on these people.

00:06:13.720 You're just not going to free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:06:17.960 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:06:19.900 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:06:21.300 I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.

00:06:24.000 It's going to happen.

00:06:25.040 And where do people like that go to share the big line?

00:06:28.660 MAGA Media.

00:06:30.000 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:06:35.440 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:06:39.200 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:06:45.540 War Room.

00:06:46.420 Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

00:06:48.720 Monday, 27 October in the year of our Lord, 2025.

00:06:58.200 Of course, the president is on a triumphant tour of East Asia.

00:07:02.340 Now he's in Japan, getting ready to march Japan.

00:07:07.380 And then he's going to South Korea.

00:07:08.480 He's going to have, at least right now, a meeting with Xi.

00:07:12.500 If everything can kind of get worked out, there's all kind of accusations going around.

00:07:16.760 Trump's not a hawk, that the hawks are not ascended here, all kind of nonsense.

00:07:21.680 We're going to break down all of that later in the show.

00:07:26.260 I want to get to – we got to get to some very important signal up front because you see in Washington, D.C.,

00:07:31.160 all they're doing is defending Big Tish James, defending Jack Smith.

00:07:35.980 They're trying to get off the prosecutions of the deep state and the administrative state

00:07:41.260 that weaponized the legal system to come up to President Trump and his followers.

00:07:45.160 And they're being very effective.

00:07:47.940 This is why I had Tom Fitton on the show.

00:07:49.640 We need a special prosecutor.

00:07:50.880 That special prosecutor needs to report to the – needs to report to – directly into the White House.

00:07:57.220 But we have Ben Berquam with us.

00:07:59.160 I got a clip from Ben Berquam.

00:08:00.660 Let's play that.

00:08:01.340 And then we're going to go to Ben Berquam down in Texas.

00:08:03.860 He's an illegal entrant.

00:08:06.020 We got a criminal arrest warrant that we're going to go in on to get him for illegal re-entry.

00:08:10.300 He's already been deported once.

00:08:12.060 We're attempting to make an arrest of him at a different location.

00:08:16.040 He fled to here and then got inside the house and barricaded himself.

00:08:20.340 And so he fled in the vehicle?

00:08:21.760 Yeah.

00:08:22.080 First in the vehicle and then on foot into the house.

00:08:24.900 Copy.

00:08:25.140 At that point, we went, got the criminal arrest warrant, connected with local law enforcement

00:08:33.060 to make sure we can secure the scene.

00:08:35.600 Obviously, as you can see, there's a lot of folks here that are trying.

00:08:38.160 They are upset.

00:08:40.100 And so we want to make sure everybody's safe.

00:08:41.760 The public, the officers, and the individual that's barricading himself inside the house.

00:08:47.080 And right now, I'm sure they're making a plan to go in there safely and get him out so that nobody gets hurt.

00:08:50.920 I think we want to get him probably over there.

00:08:55.940 On this side?

00:08:56.900 Yeah.

00:09:13.020 Hey, it's too much pressure.

00:09:15.700 You're okay.

00:09:16.120 I don't know.

00:09:20.920 All right, let's clear.

00:09:25.420 Let's clear.

00:09:25.940 Let's clear.

00:09:26.240 Let's clear.

00:09:26.260 Let's go.

00:09:32.440 You're in danger in your baby.

00:09:47.500 You're in danger in your baby.

00:09:59.920 We're up against America.

00:10:03.100 It's not just the illegals that were let in.

00:10:06.220 It's the communities that are aiding and abetting, protecting them.

00:10:09.640 Like this, right here, walking out in traffic, walking out in traffic with her baby. 1.00

00:10:14.900 Just pathetic. 0.99

00:10:19.340 Okay, Ben, what did we just see there? 0.98

00:10:21.920 It looks very dangerous, certainly, to the officers, both in the initial arrest and then afterwards, with the folks kind of crowding around and getting all worked up by these lefty protesters.

00:10:34.940 What did we just see there?

00:10:38.000 Well, sadly, it's what we're seeing across the country where you have these activist organizations that are training people on how to undermine law enforcement, undermine ICE.

00:10:47.260 So in this case, this was an illegal alien that was stopped at a traffic stop.

00:10:51.160 He fled with his vehicle, as you heard from the agent there, the PIO, and got to the house, got out.

00:10:57.360 Him and two others went running inside the house.

00:10:59.960 And at that point, the ICE officers surrounded the home.

00:11:04.320 They got a criminal warrant.

00:11:05.560 And they were actually planning on going into the home, got word that there were kids in the house.

00:11:11.180 And within minutes, you've got this rapid response network, they call it.

00:11:15.520 It's this network of leftists, communists, all of these organizations across America, the same NGOs that invited the invasion into our country, that profited off it.

00:11:24.020 Many of the same organizations that sent people to your communities around the country are on the phone.

00:11:29.560 They get the neighbors out.

00:11:30.940 They get everybody out.

00:11:31.760 You get these violent, chaotic scenes that puts everybody's lives in danger.

00:11:37.460 And ICE has to deal with that.

00:11:38.880 And sadly, this is what we're seeing, not just here in Houston, but everywhere across the country now, this idea that ICE doesn't have a right to go out and catch the bad guys.

00:11:46.380 And by the way, Steve, these guys have no idea who is inside that house, why ICE is there to pick them up, any of the background, what their criminal history is.

00:11:54.520 They have no idea.

00:11:55.680 They're just out there to obstruct ICE.

00:11:57.100 But they have no idea.

00:12:00.020 They also don't care.

00:12:00.900 If they had an idea, they wouldn't care.

00:12:02.560 We have the regional director, is it Brett Bradford for ICE?

00:12:06.360 Brett, can you just walk us through what is the strategy of ICE right now?

00:12:10.200 Because clearly you guys are outnumbered, and you're not going to be able to recruit tens of thousands of people.

00:12:16.980 So what's the plan?

00:12:20.900 I think the biggest plan is not to spend too much time in any particular area.

00:12:25.260 We like to try and hit different areas, get in, get out, before you give the protesters time to organize and the activists time to organize and get into the area.

00:12:32.680 So I think the quick hits are the best way to do that right now.

00:12:35.280 We're doing a lot of vehicle stops.

00:12:37.380 We're working a lot with our partner law enforcement agencies here.

00:12:39.800 We have a 287G program with a lot of our local PDs and local sheriffs that we're working with so that we can actually use those force multipliers.

00:12:47.900 Because you're right, we're not going to get enough people ourselves to go out there and solve this problem.

00:12:51.580 We've got to work with our partners out here to do it.

00:12:55.620 I hear that most of the communities are working with you guys, are supportive of this.

00:13:02.020 But it's where they have these agitators and where they've had these lefty organizations go in, train people for resistance to the ICE efforts.

00:13:11.320 Are you seeing that in Houston?

00:13:12.700 Yes, absolutely.

00:13:15.440 You're absolutely right about Houston, especially.

00:13:16.980 This is a very friendly environment for the most part.

00:13:19.220 You have pockets and you have the activist groups that have these networks, as Ben mentioned.

00:13:23.460 So once you're in an area, it may be a fairly friendly area, but once they find out you're there,

00:13:27.940 they flood in from the other pockets and other areas around the Houston area that aren't as friendly and converge in that area.

00:13:34.620 That's why you've got to try and get in and get out as quick as possible and not give them the time to organize.

00:13:39.760 Brett, can you hang on?

00:13:43.720 Brett Bradford is the regional director for ICE.

00:13:46.540 ICE, some of the bravest people we've ever seen.

00:13:49.660 They're going into oftentimes hostile environments with bad hombres.

00:13:54.300 So really, really, really appreciate the ICE effort.

00:13:58.300 Ben Burquam is also down, and he's going to be on the road reporting live.

00:14:03.180 He's got a lot to report on this situation.

00:14:05.520 We're going to take a short commercial break.

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00:16:52.600 Okay, from Houston, we just saw a ICE enforcement operation earlier today with Ben Burquam is Brett Bradford.

00:17:02.780 He's the field office director for ICE.

00:17:04.840 So, Brett, how do you keep morale up and how do you keep these folks motivated to go in harm's way when I think it was just Friday on the steps of the U.S. Capitol?

00:17:15.580 You had this huge group of Democrats saying that – Democrat congressmen saying that they're launching an app that outlines or gets in front of every ICE raid in the country so people can see it real time and so agitators and protesters can get there to work up people.

00:17:35.840 How does that play with these brave ICE officers who are going in harm's way every day?

00:17:41.760 Well, the first thing I would say to that is it really drives me crazy that these members of Congress are calling us names, coming up with these apps, doing all that stuff, and we are enforcing the laws they put on the books.

00:17:54.360 We didn't write the laws.

00:17:55.560 Our job is just to enforce the laws.

00:17:57.320 They write the laws.

00:17:58.320 If they don't like the laws, they need to change the laws.

00:18:01.260 That's the first thing.

00:18:02.260 Morale, it's difficult.

00:18:03.860 But what we have to do, and I go around and meet with my folks all the time, is we have to remind them of the good we're doing.

00:18:08.400 And we thoroughly believe that.

00:18:09.840 I'm proud of the work that these folks do every day.

00:18:12.160 Last year, and these aren't official numbers, but I think we arrested it was around 18,000 or a little over 18,000 people last year, just the Houston field office, and removed them from the United States.

00:18:21.040 And I believe in that, and again, I'm just going off my recollection, I think it was about 1,500 folks that actually had convictions for assault or aggravated assault.

00:18:29.760 There were 400.

00:18:30.500 There were sex offenses, many of those against children.

00:18:32.820 That's what we've got to step back every now and then and look at all those folks.

00:18:36.060 We not only got off the streets, we got out of the country.

00:18:38.820 How many children didn't get victimized now because those folks aren't here?

00:18:42.660 How many people didn't get assaulted because those folks aren't here? 0.68

00:18:44.960 How many people didn't get killed?

00:18:46.200 That's what we have to remind ourselves of because that's the good we're doing every single day.

00:18:49.360 It's a hard stat.

00:18:50.160 You can't measure it.

00:18:50.940 But I know we're saving a lot of lives and keeping a lot of folks from being victimized, and we have to be proud of that.

00:18:57.920 Brett, is Houston, your field office, is Houston one of the hottest spots for ice enforcement operations?

00:19:05.000 It is, actually.

00:19:09.280 Typically, in any week, we're in the top five as far as the number of arrests go.

00:19:12.780 We see a lot of activity here.

00:19:14.260 We're very active.

00:19:15.680 And, again, part of that goes to this being a fairly friendly environment, and we get a lot of cooperation from our partner agencies here and the community as a whole.

00:19:25.220 Brett, you have social media or as a field office.

00:19:28.320 How can this audience have your guys back?

00:19:31.100 How can we help you guys?

00:19:32.140 The biggest thing is just countering the misinformation.

00:19:37.040 All these activist groups throw out all kinds of misinformation out there to try and get people on their side.

00:19:41.260 It's not true, and that's why it's important to do these interviews and have people like Ben out here tell our story.

00:19:46.380 We're proud of what we do.

00:19:47.340 We're not ashamed of what we do, and I'm glad to show anybody how we operate here.

00:19:51.620 We're doing great work.

00:19:52.960 We've got to counter that narrative.

00:19:54.140 We've got to quit trying to demonize the folks here that are keeping our communities safe and enforcing the law.

00:19:59.740 We've got to show them that we appreciate what they do.

00:20:02.020 Like I said, there's a lot of crimes that are prevented because of the work that these brave men and women do every single day.

00:20:08.540 Ben, you're doing what you do best, going harm's way to report these stories.

00:20:12.080 Where are you going to be in the next couple of days?

00:20:13.440 Well, I'm going to be in and around the Texas area covering ICE and working with ICE.

00:20:20.120 Can't talk about everything we're going to be doing, but some major operations happening across the country.

00:20:24.720 The numbers continue to increase, and that's what we're looking for is President Trump continues this exponential growth of deportations

00:20:32.000 and changing tactics and utilizing different tactics in different areas and watching these guys as force multipliers, as the director said.

00:20:40.520 So I'm going to continue to cover that all week here, and then actually later this week, I'll be at the end of the week,

00:20:46.060 I'll be in Utah speaking at an event, utahspatriots.com, an event out there just not too far from where Charlie was assassinated.

00:20:55.640 So we'll be doing, paying our respects, and I'll be speaking about everything we're seeing out here and all across the country,

00:21:00.780 this move to restore America and save this country.

00:21:05.040 Burkhoff, social media, where do people go to get your content, sir?

00:21:07.820 At Real AM Voice on all Real America's Voice news platforms, our new episode, actually with our first time out here with Houston,

00:21:17.340 will be next Saturday, and then my personal social is at Ben Burkhoff.

00:21:21.680 Our substack is Frontline America, and my website's frontlineamerica.com.

00:21:27.360 Brett Bradford, make sure you let everybody know in your field office and all the officers out there

00:21:32.340 and troops doing these raids that America greatly appreciates this work, and 85% of this country have their back.

00:21:40.660 So just make sure they know that.

00:21:42.380 But people are incredibly proud of these guys, men and women, going in harm's way every day.

00:21:49.600 Thank you for that.

00:21:50.420 I appreciate you having me here today, and I appreciate the time to, like I said, shed some light on what we do and how we do it.

00:21:55.080 You know, we've got to quit emboldening these folks to resist and fight.

00:21:59.620 They're only putting themselves in danger, the community in danger, and simply adding criminal charges to their own case.

00:22:05.780 It just doesn't make any sense.

00:22:09.240 Thank you, sir.

00:22:10.200 Very proud of you guys.

00:22:11.520 Appreciate you.

00:22:13.700 Burkhoff and Brett Bradford down in Houston at the ICE, you see what's going on.

00:22:17.200 I got another cold open that is very hard for me to swallow when I saw it.

00:22:23.820 It'll make your blood boil.

00:22:25.060 Let's go ahead and play it, and we're going to bring in Kyle Olson to interpret it for us.

00:22:29.220 The AG has got to be able to sue them.

00:22:31.540 Otherwise, if we have Miaris and he's not willing to do anything, not even willing to argue anything at court,

00:22:37.120 then you have no big challenges.

00:22:39.380 That's the whole point of this era, right?

00:22:41.680 We're, like, trying to test presidential power.

00:22:43.480 Because, like, this is a purplish kind of state, are you even confident that they live, too? 0.92

00:22:50.380 Because I feel like there's a purplation, but a lot of these...

00:22:53.480 With a Democrat, a Democratic attorney general?

00:22:55.560 A lot of these Democrats, like, in general, the governor of the people of the government...

00:23:00.060 If he were to send in the National Guard, I think they'd sue and admit it.

00:23:03.380 We had a Democratic attorney general.

00:23:05.620 Yeah, and I think, from a policy perspective,

00:23:08.320 every tool that we can explore in terms of state legislation to make it harder as well,

00:23:15.960 and also to change the rules so that, for example, ICE can't show up with masks in a courthouse.

00:23:21.920 Look at legislation like that to make sure that it's a matter of Virginia's code.

00:23:26.040 You can't do that. That's a violation.

00:23:28.280 So there's going to be a whole list of things that we look at to see if we can strengthen protections.

00:23:32.020 But we need the right people. We need majorities, and we need Democrats.

00:23:37.020 Okay, particularly for the podcast audience that don't watch it on TV, Kyle Olson joins us.

00:23:42.640 So the audio was a little... because that was undercover.

00:23:45.160 Tell us what went on, because we just came off.

00:23:47.960 The field director in Houston saying, well, the biggest problems they have is, you know,

00:23:53.920 other hierarchies, other elected officials, people fighting ICE and really jeopardizing,

00:24:00.220 putting them in harm's way by saying they shouldn't be masked, things like that.

00:24:04.600 What did we just see right there, Kyle Olson?

00:24:07.000 So that was a delegate from Virginia, Phil Hernandez, and basically he was making the point

00:24:13.420 that we have seen across the country that there are Democrats that are testing presidential powers.

00:24:20.320 And so basically what that means is they're going to fight the Trump administration every step of the way.

00:24:26.400 And so you take ICE. The Trump administration has various agreements to go into some of these cities,

00:24:33.240 but some of the agreements say they can't use chemical agents.

00:24:37.460 Well, if you have some of these agitators attacking officers, attacking federal agents, etc.,

00:24:45.800 and they use chemical agents, well, then they have violated the agreement,

00:24:50.100 and therefore they can kick ICE out of the city.

00:24:52.720 So this is really, it's almost like hand-to-hand combat in these various cities.

00:24:59.580 And so you've got ICE just trying to do their job.

00:25:02.280 And the clip that you showed with Ben, it is difficult circumstances.

00:25:07.420 These agents are just trying to do their job, and they've got, you know,

00:25:11.260 very nasty people fighting them every step of the way.

00:25:14.300 And, Kyle, I take it this is also, this is during an active campaign.

00:25:20.400 Hernandez is running for re-election.

00:25:22.880 Spanberger, he's talking about this already radical attorney general they got

00:25:26.940 that's said these horrible things on text messages.

00:25:30.200 But they're essentially planning this already, right?

00:25:34.020 They're running, but their plan is, hey, here's what we're going to do.

00:25:37.260 So Spanberger and this team, they sit there and they say,

00:25:39.640 hey, so moderate, and we just represent middle America.

00:25:42.700 It sounds like it's anything but, because they already have a pretty devious plan

00:25:46.880 of how to basically thwart the ICE operational events already.

00:25:53.460 Correct.

00:25:54.240 And that's what's at stake in this election, is Democrats badly want the governor's seat

00:26:00.640 and the attorney general's office, because they can then use those platforms

00:26:04.600 to attack the Trump administration.

00:26:07.660 Because where is a lot of the bureaucracy?

00:26:10.360 It's in Virginia.

00:26:11.560 It's in Washington, D.C.

00:26:12.960 It is right there.

00:26:14.680 They want those offices badly.

00:26:17.020 And because they want to test the presidential powers.

00:26:20.260 And we're seeing this elsewhere in the country, where I live,

00:26:22.920 and the Midwestern covers Michigan politics.

00:26:26.080 Our attorney general, Dana Nessel, she has joined over 30 lawsuits

00:26:31.820 against the Trump administration.

00:26:34.000 So these Democrat attorneys general are fighting every step of the way.

00:26:40.580 I get it before we let you go, is that the implication also is that

00:26:45.180 Spanberger's governor is not going to be volunteering.

00:26:48.780 In fact, she'll be fighting Trump in a call-up of National Guard, right?

00:26:52.080 Is that how I took Hernandez's, what he's talking about, that they don't tend

00:26:56.220 to really cooperate with President Trump in trying to bring law and order

00:27:00.700 to some of these blue areas?

00:27:02.760 Yeah, I think that's exactly what they want to do.

00:27:05.040 They want to kick out ICE.

00:27:06.320 They don't want sheriffs and local law enforcement to work with ICE.

00:27:10.960 They want to make it as difficult as possible.

00:27:13.420 And she has basically said she wants to protect illegal aliens in the state

00:27:18.180 of Commonwealth of Virginia.

00:27:19.780 And she's going to do whatever it takes in order to make that happen.

00:27:25.300 Kyle, your social media, where do people get you?

00:27:28.740 You can find me at Kyle Olson 4, Kyle, O-L-S-O-N 4, or also The Midwesterner.

00:27:36.140 And you can find our website, themidwesterner.news.

00:27:41.040 Let's go check it out right now.

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00:27:46.140 I am.

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00:29:14.520 He's thumbed his nose at us.

00:29:16.500 He's refused to comply with the rules that have come from DOT, which is stop issuing these

00:29:21.200 licenses, number one.

00:29:22.500 And number two, go back and review all the licenses that you have issued and make sure

00:29:26.460 it's been done legally.

00:29:28.260 Gavin Newsom has said no.

00:29:29.580 So, one, I'm about to pull $160 million from California.

00:29:33.420 And as we pull more money, we also have the option of pulling California's ability to

00:29:38.140 issue commercial driver's licenses.

00:29:40.380 Gavin Newsom cares more about illegals, getting commercial driver's licenses, than he

00:29:44.460 does, the citizens of his own state and the safety of Americans.

00:29:48.020 It's shameful.

00:29:48.900 He's been lying about what he's been doing.

00:29:51.100 And again, we're going to fight tooth and nail under President Trump's administration

00:29:54.980 to make sure that we hold states like California accountable.

00:29:58.540 Jashan Preet Singh just mowed down three Americans on the I-10 here in California, an illegal alien 1.00

00:30:09.720 behind the wheel of a big rig who never should have been in this country at all, let alone

00:30:16.620 driving a truck.

00:30:18.820 Now, I'm here in San Diego at the National Trucking Convention, and I'm telling you the truth.

00:30:23.460 Only legal American citizens should be driving our trucks, not dangerous foreign nationals 1.00

00:30:31.100 who may not know how to drive and don't speak English.

00:30:35.620 But Gavin Newsom, here in California, he has other ideas.

00:30:40.060 So, to virtue signal against President Trump, Newsom, he'll hand out a CDL, a commercial driver's

00:30:46.120 license, to just about anyone, legal or illegal.

00:30:49.540 It doesn't matter to him.

00:30:51.860 As a result, the industry suffers and people die.

00:30:56.920 So, here's the harsh truth, Governor. 0.99

00:31:00.100 Political correctness isn't just dumb, it's deadly. 0.99

00:31:04.980 Because when you don't know who you're dealing with, or worse, when you don't even care, because 0.99

00:31:10.080 you call it justice or cheap labor or voter replacement, you get terrible outcomes.

00:31:18.220 Let's do better.

00:31:19.540 Steve Cortez, you join us now from San Diego.

00:31:24.980 You're actually at the Truckers Convention.

00:31:26.800 Tell us, this is a problem all over the country, but particularly in places like California,

00:31:33.140 New York.

00:31:33.860 It's really a plague. 0.79

00:31:35.820 And it's driving down wages, but more importantly, or as importantly, it's killing people. 0.66

00:31:41.000 Your thoughts?

00:31:42.320 That's exactly right.

00:31:43.100 In a tragic way, it's fitting that the Trucking Convention is here in beautiful California.

00:31:48.140 What's going on here isn't beautiful at all.

00:31:50.920 Gavin Newsom, simply to thwart President Trump, is issuing CDLs in an incredibly reckless manner

00:31:57.760 and making sure that dangerous illegals, many of whom don't have the requisite skills to drive 1.00

00:32:03.860 safely in this country, many of whom are not proficient in English, that they're all over the roads.

00:32:08.400 Not just the roads here in California, but all over America.

00:32:11.660 And you're exactly right.

00:32:12.560 Same, similar things happening in Illinois, in New York, in other renegade blue states.

00:32:18.240 So this industry, by the way, Steve, the operators here, many of whom are small business folks.

00:32:23.260 These aren't all big mega fleets.

00:32:25.360 These folks employ American citizens.

00:32:28.580 They don't hire the illegal migrants. 1.00

00:32:30.160 So they hate this.

00:32:31.160 They hate the loss of life, of course, first and foremost.

00:32:34.020 But in addition to that, the drivers hate what it does to wages nationwide because these illegals 1.00

00:32:38.840 are always willing to work for less.

00:32:41.180 And also, this is an important aspect, these renegade firms that are not legitimate American firms

00:32:46.760 that employ these people, knowingly, many of them owned by foreigners, by the way,

00:32:50.660 legal foreigners from those countries, they undercut the legitimate firms on rates. 1.00

00:32:56.160 So it's a scourge for this industry.

00:32:58.360 It's a danger for all Americans, for every single American getting on the road. 0.93

00:33:01.880 I'm sure all of your viewers have seen the horrific videos, the awful dash cam footage.

00:33:07.260 This cannot be allowed to go on.

00:33:08.960 And thankfully, Secretary Duffy is taking some strong action.

00:33:11.480 But this industry, from a private sector perspective, is also taking strong action.

00:33:16.200 And this madness has to stop.

00:33:20.460 What Duffy's doing, the president and the industry, what's the convergence of this?

00:33:24.820 How do we actually make it stop in a place like California that's trying to make a political

00:33:29.320 statement about this, doesn't care about safety and doesn't care about American citizen wages?

00:33:34.480 Well, the first thing is what Sean Duffy is doing, right, which is very smart, which is

00:33:37.820 removing funds.

00:33:39.140 But I think, secondly, ultimately, if these states don't get in line quickly, we're going

00:33:42.860 to have to federalize commercial driver's licenses.

00:33:45.260 These CDLs are going to have to be handed out from the federal level.

00:33:48.620 Now, that's not ideal.

00:33:49.680 We'd rather have the states manage their own affairs, just as they do with regular driver's 0.96

00:33:53.240 licenses.

00:33:54.000 But again, if they refuse to comply, even after they get very harsh financial penalties,

00:33:59.580 and we'll see what happens next.

00:34:01.300 If they still refuse to comply because they are just so committed to illegals, they're so committed 0.99

00:34:05.600 to their globalist radicalism, then I think the federal government has to step in in a

00:34:10.000 statutory way and issue these licenses.

00:34:12.640 But I can tell you also, these firms, none of them want this.

00:34:16.140 They know it's a PR nightmare for the industry.

00:34:18.840 They know that they're operating the right way.

00:34:20.940 They're paying fair wages to American citizen drivers.

00:34:24.680 They don't want their rates to be undercut by these firms that are using the near slave-like

00:34:29.420 labor of illegals that they're able to use.

00:34:31.620 And then, of course, most of all, again, it's the safety issue.

00:34:34.800 Every time you get on a highway right now, Americans are legitimately, validly worried,

00:34:40.660 is this truck next to me driven by an illegal who doesn't speak English, who can't read the 0.99

00:34:45.220 road signs, who doesn't know how we drive in this country, and might do something really

00:34:49.660 scary and reckless and might put me and my family in danger?

00:34:53.220 That's just, it's front and center.

00:34:54.960 And I can tell you here at this conference, Steve, there's two things everybody is talking

00:34:58.340 about.

00:34:58.620 That's one.

00:34:59.220 The other one are the ridiculous lawsuits, the jackpot justice that's going on in terms

00:35:03.560 of trial lawyers who have targeted this industry and are chasing these owner-operators.

00:35:07.600 So those are the two things.

00:35:08.380 Instead of talking about the things they should be talking about, Steve, they should be talking

00:35:10.820 about things like, what are freight rates?

00:35:12.860 What is traffic like in this country?

00:35:14.340 What's international trade like?

00:35:15.620 Those are the normal topics at a convention like this.

00:35:18.280 Instead, the top two topics are politically related.

00:35:22.200 The first one being the illegals. 1.00

00:35:24.140 The illegals that Gavin Newsom has unleashed on the highways all over this country.

00:35:29.740 And this industry doesn't want it.

00:35:31.380 No sane American wants it.

00:35:33.220 But Steve, this is how committed Gavin Newsom and his fellow radicals, this is how committed

00:35:38.200 they are to illegals.

00:35:39.940 That they will put their own people at risk.

00:35:42.780 Three people killed not far from where I'm standing on the I-10 in California.

00:35:47.880 Does Gavin Newsom care?

00:35:49.420 No, he does not.

00:35:51.160 Because he believes that by placating the radicals and by playing to the far left, to

00:35:55.420 the Marxist wing of his party, that that's going to vault him to the nomination in 2028.

00:36:00.860 Well, let me tell you something.

00:36:01.600 If he does, in fact, get that nomination, I can't wait to use this issue against him in

00:36:06.980 that campaign because no sane American thinks that handing out CDLs like candy to illegal

00:36:14.380 aliens makes sense for this country.

00:36:16.400 No one sane believes that that's OK.

00:36:20.920 Steve, we got to bounce, but I have Dale Bigtree on for the entire hour at 6.

00:36:26.360 You just made this incredible Maha documentary.

00:36:28.900 Where do people get all your content, including your Substack, this, your reporting out there

00:36:33.260 at the conference, but also your new doc on Make America Healthy Again?

00:36:37.560 Yes.

00:36:37.860 Please see my new Maha doc.

00:36:39.020 It is breaking all records compared to my prior docs.

00:36:41.560 Go to cortesinvestigates.com.

00:36:44.540 Millions of people have seen it.

00:36:46.060 It's 30 minutes.

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00:36:48.880 Robert Malone, Michael Caputo, moms, doctors, all filmed in the Commonwealth of Virginia.

00:36:53.460 Please go to cortesinvestigates.com.

00:36:58.140 Incredible.

00:36:58.760 Thank you, sir.

00:36:59.280 Appreciate you.

00:37:00.480 Thank you.

00:37:00.900 The truckers, we got your back.

00:37:04.080 It's a total disaster what people are doing to come up with these truckers.

00:37:07.100 Illegal aliens getting driver's license, killing people, driving down wages. 1.00

00:37:10.440 It's obscene. 0.95

00:37:11.920 We start today, the cold open, with Jack Smith, the left.

00:37:15.320 Julie Kelly joins us.

00:37:17.280 Julie, what in the hell happened today with Jack Smith?

00:37:19.380 They're sitting there going, this is amazing.

00:37:21.040 Jack Smith's got to testify.

00:37:22.440 He's got notes from Pence.

00:37:24.120 What the hell's going on, ma'am? 0.93

00:37:25.480 So there was this report in the Washington Post today talking about how Jack Smith became the special counsel.

00:37:34.600 And I think, Steve, it really demonstrated how desperate Jack Smith was to get his dirty hands on the two investigations into Donald Trump.

00:37:45.260 Think about this.

00:37:46.400 He'd shattered his leg in a biking accident.

00:37:50.360 Apparently, he's a triathlete.

00:37:51.600 So he had surgery.

00:37:53.660 He's laid up.

00:37:54.480 He can't move.

00:37:55.520 He's in Amsterdam because he was at The Hague prosecuting, handling a war crimes case there.

00:38:02.680 Merrick Garland calls him, asks him if he'll take the case.

00:38:05.920 He agrees to do so and works from Amsterdam for at least the first eight weeks of the investigation, of taking over those investigations as special counsel.

00:38:18.280 Well, DOJ prosecutors had to fly to Amsterdam to meet with Jack Smith because he was laid up and couldn't move.

00:38:26.140 Then by the time he got back to the States, apparently this was late December, he was already plotting how to put together a prosecution memo to outline the charges against President Trump in the documents case.

00:38:40.960 He barely had time to even get up to speed as to what was happening there.

00:38:46.060 And then what was really revealed today is how there was disagreement in the special counsel's office about keeping that investigation, which began in Washington, D.C., even though the alleged crimes took place in Palm Beach in southern Florida.

00:39:02.380 But they wanted to keep everything in Washington so they could get favorable rulings from Democrat grand juries and very favorable involvement and cooperation from Obama appointee Beryl Howell, who was chief judge, and then, of course, Jeb Bosberg, who took over for her in early 2023.

00:39:20.920 Steve, there were discussions by Judge Cannon about an abuse of the grand jury process during the documents proceedings because the DOJ and Jack Smith conducted almost the entire investigation in Washington, D.C., and then moved it to southern Florida at the last minute to get an indictment because the alleged crimes in the timeline took place after the president left Washington in January of 2021.

00:39:50.920 And then when Judge Cannon dismissed the documents indictment on July 15th, 2024, concluding that Jack Smith's appointment violated the Constitution, Jack Smith wanted to go directly to the appellate court, a very rare move, the Washington Post calls it, to have her recused, removed from the proceedings.

00:40:13.920 Because, of course, because, of course, as you know, we talked about, she was already giving the DOJ and Jack Smith a hard time because she already knew how dirty and corrupt and dishonest they were, and she was calling them out every step of the way. 1.00

00:40:27.380 So then after the documents case was dismissed, Jack Smith wanted to go to the appellate court to recuse her, and Solicitor General Elizabeth Preligar, a Biden appointee, told Jack Smith no.

00:40:38.400 Is this guy obsessed – was this an obsession with trying to take down President Trump?

00:40:46.580 I know the article – I want your opinion.

00:40:48.200 Does this show an unhealthy obsession?

00:40:50.560 Because he had a terrible reputation in The Hague of going after these supposed war crimes that he would – people considered him a nutcase.

00:40:58.860 Is that why Merrick Garland reached out to him?

00:41:01.180 You know, I interviewed John Loro, the president's defense attorney, in the J-6 case, and he said that Merrick Garland served up Jack Smith because he basically knew what a dirty prosecutor he was.

00:41:17.980 And Merrick Garland wanted to wash himself of both of these investigations and cases.

00:41:22.200 That's what John Loro told me.

00:41:23.740 So you're right.

00:41:25.220 Why did Merrick Garland go to someone with such a – I mean, Jack Smith did not have a good record as a prosecutor in the Obama DOJ.

00:41:34.360 He was unanimously reversed by the Supreme Court in 2016 in his prosecution of Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell and his wife.

00:41:45.120 And then he got a hung jury in the first case of Senator Menendez.

00:41:51.400 So Jack Smith has a terrible track record.

00:41:54.300 But I think that maybe Merrick Garland, maybe again taking his cues from our favorite Lisa Monaco, tapped Jack Smith because he knew the guy has no scruples, he has no integrity, he has no morals.

00:42:06.040 He was going to do and pull every dirty trick, and he did, in both cases, the documents case in Florida, where he didn't get away with it, and the J-6 case in Washington, where he did.

00:42:16.360 Because, of course, he had Obama Judge Tanya Chutkin cooperating with him in those proceedings.

00:42:22.480 So Merrick Garland, Lisa Monaco, maybe even Joe Biden knew that Jack Smith would go to the mats, the mattresses, every single time, pull every trick, bring in every dirty prosecutor under him, J. Bratt, David Harbaugh, J.B. Cooney, Molly Gastone, both of whom, the latter two, wrote to Bill Barr and threatened to quit if he was going to pursue 2020 election fraud investigations.

00:42:48.940 They were at the DOJ at that time as well.

00:42:52.080 And he certainly did pull in every dirty prosecutor investigator he possibly could, and threw everything he could at the president.

00:42:59.040 And then, of course, Donald Trump won, and he had to drop the J-6 case in Washington.

00:43:05.740 Julie, hang on for a wet second. 1.00

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00:45:35.240 Julie Kelly.

00:45:36.140 Tom Fenton was on here.

00:45:37.760 You actually got all this going on.

00:45:39.640 You know, Lisa Monaco, all of it.

00:45:42.240 The DOJ main justice is overwhelmed.

00:45:45.560 There's not enough U.S. attorneys.

00:45:47.140 You know, guys aren't getting paid right now.

00:45:48.820 They're having a tough time recruiting.

00:45:51.540 You should.

00:45:53.000 Fenton and I are adamant about naming a special.

00:45:55.980 A special prosecutor and have it report to the Oval Office as part of President Trump's Article 2 powers, as Mike Davis keeps talking about.

00:46:04.580 Your thoughts, ma'am?

00:46:05.640 My initial thoughts, and actually they have been my thoughts for a few months, is that is a mistake because we see how quickly special prosecutors, special counsels can get away from the mission, even if you pick someone that you think will do a stellar job.

00:46:23.880 Furthermore, because Judge Cannon tossed out Jack Smith's appointment in Southern Florida, finding that his appointment violated the appointments clause of the Constitution, that order still stands.

00:46:38.740 Now, of course, Jack Smith was planning to appeal that, had to drop the appeal after the president won.

00:46:44.780 But how the special counsel, there is no special prosecutor or independent counsel statute on the books anymore.

00:46:51.200 As you know, that expired, I believe it was 1999.

00:46:53.880 So what Merrick Garland did was kind of stitch together, and they did this with Robert Mueller, three or four different statutes, kind of random statutes, to say that this justified the appointment of a special counsel.

00:47:05.500 That said, I think what we're hearing about a grand jury being impaneled in Southern Florida, starting in January, I think that that is very hopeful.

00:47:16.160 The new U.S. attorney there sounds like a real stand-up guy and sounds like he's aligned with the mission there.

00:47:24.200 They're going to have to work very quickly, obviously, to start calling people before grand juries and try to get some indictments.

00:47:32.200 I don't think that a special counsel will expedite that process.

00:47:37.020 There's a chance that it could be more problematic and slow down what needs to be a very orderly process so we can get something done before the time is up.

00:47:52.120 So I'm not so sure that that's the best solution.

00:47:54.840 That's good.

00:47:55.420 That's good.

00:47:55.940 We get all opinions here, and we value yours.

00:47:59.120 First among equals with fitting in the viceroy.

00:48:01.200 Okay, Julie, one other thing.

00:48:03.740 Beattie is in the State Department, so you're a person on pipe bombs.

00:48:08.500 I know.

00:48:08.940 I know you do, but I don't understand this video the FBI put out.

00:48:13.360 Give me – I only got two minutes.

00:48:15.080 What in the hell is going on with the pipe bomb, and what is this video?

00:48:19.020 The video doesn't match the timeline, does it, ma'am?

00:48:21.500 Well, the video is kind of, for the most part, I know that there's some new clips in there, but this is basically the video that we've seen for the last few years.

00:48:29.440 There's this unidentified individual in a hoodie wandering around for about 45, 50 minutes on Capitol Hill close to both the RNC and then sitting down at least twice in front of the DNC.

00:48:42.740 It looks like the video might show the suspect planting the pipe bomb.

00:48:47.760 I had some very deep doubts about the authenticity of that video.

00:48:51.680 So did Darren Beatty.

00:48:52.880 This is when I miss him, and I wish that he was around.

00:48:55.220 But they did – the FBI did post another public plea to help identify and convict that hoodie suspect saying that that individual planted the bombs that evening.

00:49:06.240 However, and this is part of my report today on the woman who allegedly found the pipe bomb by the RNC.

00:49:13.300 Steve, she told authorities as early as January 8th that the device by the RNC had to have been planted, and this is Carlin Younger, had to have been planted between noon and 1240 on January 6th because she did not see it on her first trip to this laundry room.

00:49:32.100 There's the device right there that she said she spotted around 1240.

00:49:35.620 But she said she did not see it at noon.

00:49:38.580 So even that little tidbit contradicts the official timeline.

00:49:42.360 But nonetheless raises questions about Carlin Younger and recently released FBI documents about her first contact with the FBI on January 8th, a follow-up interview on January 11th, and then contradictions and inconsistencies with media reporters afterwards, and contradictions in her statements and what the surveillance video shows,

00:50:05.420 especially related to her allegations that a suspicious woman, that she encountered a suspicious woman on her way to spotting the device, trying to suggest that this woman was a MAGA supporter, a J6-er. 0.96

00:50:19.180 However, surveillance video shows no such woman that Carlin Younger ever encountered or came close to during her laundry trips that day.

00:50:29.420 That may be a projection by a suspicious woman. 1.00

00:50:34.580 No, no, no, I get ahead of the story.

00:50:35.860 We'll figure that out over time.

00:50:37.660 Julie Kelly, where do we go to your Substack?

00:50:40.500 Where do we go to get all your content, ma'am?

00:50:43.500 Thanks, Steve.

00:50:44.120 So I have this report on Declassified with Julie Kelly.

00:50:46.440 We have at least two follow-up pieces on this, the woman related to the RNC pipe bomb.

00:50:52.800 So Declassified with Julie Kelly on Substack.

00:50:56.060 Also, X, Julie underscore Kelly, too. 0.91

00:50:58.260 I also have reporting on the pipe bomb on Real Clear Investigations.

00:51:04.080 Fantastic.

00:51:04.680 Julie, thank you for carving time out today to join us.

00:51:07.960 Thanks, Steve.

00:51:08.600 I love your other take on the special counsel.

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Bannon's War Room - October 28, 2025

Episode 4882： ICE Under Threat; Stopping Illegals From Terrorizing The Trucking Industry; Indictment Of Jack Smith

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