Episode 4911： Live From The CHD Conference Day 1
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The government is still shut down and there's no sign that it will reopen until a deal is struck to reopen the government. On this episode of The War Room, Stephen K. B. and Claire D. Dooley discuss the latest updates on the ongoing government shutdown and whether or not a deal can be struck.
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Democrats are ready to clear the way to quickly pass a government funding bill that includes
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health care affordability. Leader Thune just needs to add a clean one-year extension of the
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ACA tax credits to the CR so that we can immediately address rising health care costs.
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That's not a negotiation. It's an extension of current law, something we do all the time around
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here, as we all know. But we also offer this. Let's create a bipartisan committee that will
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continue negotiations after the government reopens on reforms ahead of next year's enrollment period
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to provide long-term certainty that health care costs will be more affordable. This proposal
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reopens the government and ensures working families who are shopping right now for their health care
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This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on
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these people. I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a
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belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world
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to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go
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to share the big line? MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country,
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Good evening. My name is Claire Dooley. We're live from the CHD conference in Austin, Texas.
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Today is November 7th, 2025, year of our Lord. Before we get started with some of our guests from
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the Children's Self-Defense Conference, I wanted to actually bring in Mike Howell to talk a bit about
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the government shutdown. Mike, thanks for joining us.
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Thank you so much. So let's talk a little bit about this new article that we just had come up. I think
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we saw that on CNN. I don't know if we have it. But we wanted to talk about the government shutdown
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Yeah. So Schumer put out a, what I guess people are going to call a, a offer. It's not much of a
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deal. If we were playing deal or no deal, I think you'd smack that no deal button pretty hard.
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He basically said, we'll reopen the government if you extend Obamacare. I don't know in what world
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anyone thinks a victory for Obama is going to get us out of the shutdown. It seems that every
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Republican on the Senate side has completely rejected it. But working on the other side of this
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equation, obviously is president Trump calling for Republicans to end the filibuster, to reopen the
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government unless they can secure a deal and they shouldn't leave town until they do that. So pause
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right there and say, he controls the FAA. If you wanted to shut down airspace over DCA, he could do
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that. So that could be an interesting plot twist. But look, the Republican senators, they're not going
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to end the filibuster. I think we all know this. This is the same kind of contingent that stood by Mitch
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McConnell for so long. You got to dance with the girl you brought to prom. And unfortunately,
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a lot of the people at this prom are not on President Trump's side. And even more unfortunately,
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a lot of them have been endorsed by President Trump over the course of their careers. And you look at,
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you know, the primaries coming down the pike and it's the same cast of characters, whether it's,
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you know, Lindsey Graham or types like him that'll still get the Trump endorsement,
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but not do what he says here. It's mind boggling.
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Absolutely. In your opinion, what do you think is going to come of this?
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Yeah, I think the government will remain shut down for much longer. I don't see a path out of
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this. I don't think they have the votes and the filibuster. And I don't think after, you know,
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however long it's been, Republicans can look American people in the eyes and be like, this is
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what we fought for. We fought to extend Obamacare for you. That's a political loser. Another element
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of this is the shutdown, you know, does have bad effects for rolling the agenda out. And so what
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we're really seeing now is the exposure of a massive divide in the Republican Party. That's
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playing out in a lot of stories right now, by the way, there are people trying to wait out President
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Trump who hate the America first agenda, but are happy to have America first consultants and,
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you know, pollsters try to help them speak it so they can stay in the Senate and now, you know,
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live President Trump's administration. But that's where we're at. We can expect much more of it.
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It's time we actually get people in D.C. who stand for the things they say on the campaign trail and
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just not incumbents that can benefit from all this to just stay in the swamp forever. It's getting old.
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Everyone's sick of it. Everyone is. There's a reason why Congress has the approval rating it does.
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Absolutely. Um, I think that moving forward, what do you see as, you know, perhaps a solution or
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when it comes to any, you mentioned Obamacare and, um, you know, if we were to settle on this decision,
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um, or the proposal that Democrats have put forward, um, you know, what do you see as an ideal
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situation where Republicans could, you know, walk out of this with something valuable?
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Valuable. I think Republicans need to take advantage of the leverage, uh, that they have
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right now. I mean, like the, the Democrat constituencies depend on, you know, the federal
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government being open more than the Republicans. I mean, you're, you're looking at Democrats cause
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chaos, uh, that they shut down the government. Flights are being canceled, snap spot being rolled
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out. And so Democrats should have to live with those consequences. Should they actually come
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to pass in full steam? It's going to get worse. And Democrats are gonna have to go on camera
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and explain why they won't just reauthorize, you know, a clean CR and keep this thing open.
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And so, uh, the, the momentum will swing over time. Obviously Democrats just want to deal right
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now because they feel like they have this momentum with that commie Zoran up in New York there.
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They're saying it's a referendum on Trump when it's really a referendum on the United States
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of America, that we let so much immigration into this country, that we have communist mayors in New
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York, uh, that, that aside, I think, you know, Russ votes got to cook, got to let, you know,
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him off the chain, let the rifts go up and start really, uh, taking advantage of the situation.
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And I don't think Democrats are going to sit, uh, by and watch all that happen. And they'll
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come to the table for a clean deal. Cause they'll have to.
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Absolutely. Mike, thank you so much for giving us a little update on this. Um, can you please
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tell our viewers how they can find you and, you know, get more updates on you?
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Absolutely. I'm on X at M how tweets. The oversight project is at it's your gov. Uh,
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give us a fall. We'd appreciate it. Thank you so much, Mike. Um, you guys hold on later on. We'll
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have, uh, chip Roy joining us talking more about this, but in the meantime, I actually have two
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guests that I have been working with for a long time here with me. Um, Brian Hooker and Andy
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Wakefield. Um, welcome to the show. Well, thank you so much for having us, Claire. It's so good to be
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here. Absolutely. So for those who don't know, um, there's a film called Vax that came out about 10
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years ago. Um, and these two people were a key part of this film. In my opinion, it's the reason why I
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am here today. Um, so I wanted to actually start with Brian. Um, and I wanted you to tell us a little
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bit about, you know, what the Vax movie is about, um, where did the information come from? Um, all that
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stuff. Um, well, I was a university professor at a small university in Northern California. And
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in November of 2013, I received a phone call from a senior epidemiologist from the CDC. His name
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is Dr. William Thompson. Um, and I, because of my son's own vaccine injury, I had been investigating
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the CDC for many, many years. Uh, but Dr. Thompson actually called me as a whistleblower and we started
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talking and over, you know, a few phone conversations and lots and lots of emails. He revealed to me that
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the CDC had been covering up the fact that there was a link between the MMR vaccine, the timing of
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the MMR, MMR vaccine and autism. And so over a period of about 10 months time, Dr. Thompson revealed
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to me many, many secrets about the immunization safety office of the CDC. And then that became the
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basis of the movie Vax from cover up to catastrophe. And you know, whenever you watch that movie, there was
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actually a couple interesting, um, data points, especially about African-American males. Um, but I
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know Andy, before we actually came on, we were talking a little bit about how that study actually
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came about. Was there more that you wanted to talk about with that? Sure. I just sort of set the scene.
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I, back in 2000, I was invited to a meeting with the CDC and the FDA and NIH at Cold Spring Harbor.
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And they said, look, Dr. Wakefield, every kid gets the MMR vaccine. Only some develop autism.
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How do you account for that? Well, that's just medicine. A lot of people smoke, some develop
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lung cancer. But I said, one of the variables that we think is important is age of exposure. The age
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at which you get the vaccine, the younger you get it, the greater the risk of autism. Why? Because
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we know with natural measles, age of exposure is an important determinant of outcome. If you get it
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under one or you get it later in life after 50, the outcome is more severe. Now, people are very
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familiar with this now with COVID. They know that older people are more susceptible to COVID.
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So people are familiar, but they weren't then. So the CDC said, okay, we'll test that hypothesis.
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And they went away and they tested it. And for 14 years after they published a negative paper saying
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there was no association, we all lived in ignorance. Then Brian Hooker came on the scene and the whole
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thing changed. Absolutely. Go ahead. Yeah. What I was able to do was through Dr. Thompson, I was able
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to obtain the data directly from the CDC that was used as a basis of the study. And by merely comparing
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children who received the MMR on time, this was primarily African-American males that received the
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MMR vaccine on time versus those where the MMR vaccine was delayed until after three years of age,
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we found that those that received the vaccine on time were three and a half times more likely to get an
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autism diagnosis than those where they just merely waited until they were three years of age. And so
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the rates of autism, uh, in African-American males, if they just simply waited until that three-year,
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The significance of this, Claire, is that for 14 years, they knew, and they put millions of American
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children at risk of serious permanent neurological disease to protect public confidence in vaccine
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policy makers. And they wonder why we are in such a mess right now. The public no longer trust them,
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and the public is no right to no longer trust them, because they committed a terrible fraud,
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and, uh, to protect the program. Not to protect the children, to protect the program.
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And that's an absolute disgrace. Yeah, actually, I remember one of the, um, segments I worked on for
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CHGTV, um, was the Simpsonwood meetings. Um, if you look up those documents and what the people said in those
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meetings, when they, they basically, they said, you know, we're talking about our grandchildren,
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we're talking about our kids. Um, you know, these people were making decisions, basically committing fraud,
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um, but then going home and deciding they weren't going to vaccinate their kid, or they were going to
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withhold the MMR vaccine until three. Um, but they weren't advising the American people against that. Um,
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so we're going to have about, you know, two more minutes. I just wanted to wrap up before we, um, run into the next break,
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but I want to talk about how, um, the vaxxed movie. How did you guys get together? How did you hear
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about this? Um, we'll start with that. Well, I actually, um, contacted Andy while I was still
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working with the CDC whistleblower, and I had primarily been researching Tamarisol, the mercury
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containing preservative that used to be in many of the vaccines, uh, and still, you know, up to this
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point has been in the flu shot that they gave it in pregnant women. But I was no expert in the MMR
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whatsoever. And, and so I called Andy and filled him in the story of the CDC whistleblower and said,
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look, you are the MMR guy. I do not know what I'm doing here. Does this make any sense to you?
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The answer is absolutely. And we decided at that stage that we had to record the conversations.
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It was coming firsthand from senior scientists at the CDC. Brian, because he's more honorable than I
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am, was originally a little reluctant to do that, but he did it and used to drive three hours north
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so that he could legally record the conversations. And the film came out of it. Now, people said,
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well, you just made that up, or it was false, or you, you know, if we had committed defamation,
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if one word of that, that film had been wrong or mistaken, we would have been sued to the moon
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and back again. There was not a whisper, not a whisper because they knew that it was true.
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It's been 10 years since that, that film originally came out. Um, yeah. And, and I am just very honored to
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be sitting here with these two men, um, who have made this incredible film. Um, we can dive deeper into the
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conversation about it, but I just wanted to, you know, reflect on being a 15 year old, going to the
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CDC to protest, uh, watching Vaxxed for the first time. Um, when we come back from the break, we're
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going to show you guys the trailer. Um, you get to see the, the film, um, at a later date, we have it for
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free on CHD TV. So if you want to watch it there, you're, you're absolutely welcome to. Um, and yeah, you
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know, I think that this is a really important conversation that needs to be happening, especially amidst the
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MMR, um, scandal that's happening and has happened in Texas. Um, and whenever people are armed with the
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right information, that's how we can move forward. That's all we're about here at Children's Health
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Defense is giving people informed consent. Um, all right, guys, we're going to have a short break.
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My phone rings and it's Dr. William Thompson. You and I don't know each other very well.
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You have a son with autism and I have great shame now. There's a whistleblower from the CDC who's going
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to come out and say that the CDC had committed fraud on the MMR study and that they knew that
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vaccines were actually causing autism. My oldest son, Ian, was walking and running. After the vaccine,
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he was no longer able to do that. So I called the clinic and I said, I think my child's had adverse
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reaction to those shots. And then came the headbanging, the constant banging against anything that he could
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find. Right now, I'm sitting in a very pretty position in terms of providing you a lot of
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information. The first thing that Thompson did was to plot a graph. Now, if there's no link between
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early MMR and autism, those two lines should track together. And they do track together until they get
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to 15 months. Then they separate and they continue to separate thereafter. And they sliced and diced the
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data in an effort to get rid of that effect. The relative risk of receiving an autism diagnosis was
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astronomical. Wow. The CDC had known all along there was this MMR autism risk.
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In CDC's judgment, the best public policy is to continue vaccination unchanged. You who run our
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health agencies in this country, you have an obligation to make sure that these studies are
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complete, thorough, so that we have all the facts. Oh my God, I cannot believe we did what we did. But we did.
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Omission of crucial data, destruction of documents, misleading the Congress, grievous harm to innocent
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children. Everything I've been telling my patients for the last 10 years has been based on a lie and a
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cover-up. Parents should be able to count on federal agencies to tell them the truth.
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Wow. The vaccine movie was, you know, life-changing for many Americans in the United States.
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This film is, in my opinion, one of the most important films that has ever been made.
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My name is Claire Dooley. I'm a documentary filmmaker. I first interacted with
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Steve Bannon during the trucker convoy that was protesting vaccine mandates. I was reporting live
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on the road for CHGTV and came on the show doing that. And now, a couple years later,
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we're here at the Children's Health Defense Conference. Maha is blazing. And I'm here with
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Brian Hooker. He's a scientist. And Andy Wakefield, Dr. Andy Wakefield, who was a gastroenterologist.
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Is that how, is that correct? Or is one. So I wanted to get back to the vaxxed movie. I want
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to talk a little bit more about that. These are the guys behind the movie. We have a couple others
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that are going to be joining us later. Polly Tommy, who's one of the characters in the movie.
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We're going to have Brian Burrows and Del Bigtree. But right now, I'm sitting with Brian. I'm sitting
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with Andy. And I want to talk a little bit about, you know, it's been 10 years since this film was made.
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Could you have ever known the impact? I mean, what was going through your minds as you were putting
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this film out? Were you thinking, you know, no one's going to listen to this? Is the public going
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to be receptive? And then also in the wake of what is happening today, did you ever think that we would
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be where we are now? If Andy, you want to start, and then we'll come to you, Brian.
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Sure. It was, I mean, it was going to be dynamite, whatever happened. And we put it in,
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we decided that we would put it into one film festival, and that was Tribeca. The preeminent
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film festival in North America, run by Robert De Niro and Jane Rosenthal. And we put it in,
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it got in. The film got in on its merits. Notwithstanding the fact that Robert De Niro has got himself got a
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vaccine injured child with autism. And I was home one day, and I got a call from Dell a few weeks
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later saying they pulled our film from Tribeca. And this is, I think, the first time in the history
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of Tribeca Film Festival that a film had been censored. And they came up with some cockamamie story
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about why it was done. Other directors were going to pull their film from the festival if
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if they played our movie. That is garbage. There isn't a director in the world who would pull his
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film from Tribeca Film Festival on the principle. They don't exist. They're not on this planet.
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What is Tribeca Film Festival known for? I mean, what's their, what's the Tribeca Film Festival
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overall vibe? You know, what kind of films go through there? Is it activist filmmaking?
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Feature films, the whole lot. You know, the best of the best. And so it was a bad few days. And then
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Robert De Niro came out and he went on The Morning Show and Good Morning America. They have a week
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where they devote, you know, discussion about the film festival. And he said, we shouldn't have done
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that. We should have played that film. Everybody should see it and make up their own mind. And they
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tried and tried to move the conversation on to the films that did play. All he wanted to do was
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talk about the film that didn't play. And it blew up. It blew up worldwide. It was the most
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extraordinary thing. We call it the De Niro effect. And it, if it had played at Tribeca, maybe
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200 people would have seen it. It would probably come, then it became a worldwide phenomenon. And
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I toured all over Europe with the film. And it was extraordinary. And it did, as you say, it woke
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so many people up to the issue. Because it wasn't me. And it wasn't Brian. And it wasn't Del Bigtree,
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the producer, giving our opinion. It was the CDC senior scientists saying, we did this.
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We did a terrible thing. And here is the evidence.
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And it's sickening because it's something that affects, you know, millions of children. I mean,
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If the CDC would have been forthcoming when they found that result, and Dr. Thompson told me,
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he'll never forget, it was November 7, 2001, when that result first was analyzed and, you know,
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then told to senior CDC officials, then it would have prevented, even in the timeline between that
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and the Vax movie, it would have prevented a quarter of a million autism cases in African-American males.
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And that's a conservative figure. And so, you know, that's, that's like, you know,
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And what kind of autism are we talking about, right? We're not talking about
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a couple of folks who are good at math or, you know, a little quirky. Can you tell us about,
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This is profound autism. This is probably the bottom 30th to 40th percentile
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of autism spectrum disorder. So these are children that will need a lifetime of care.
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Many of them, like my son, don't speak. They don't have spoken language. Many of them will never be
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able to correctly use a toilet or be able to go to school. None of them will essentially go on and
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get married and have children. This is severe, regressive autism. And it's a phenotype that we
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And knowing that someone had the information that could have prevented this and it was withheld
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is a crime against humanity. I mean, there's, there's really no other words for it. And I'm
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very proud to be sitting beside two of my heroes and mentors. I mean, it's, I've actually known you
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guys for about 10 years now. Andy, you've gone on to make several other films. I wish we had time to
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dive into them, but please tell everyone where they can find your, you, your website, you know,
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Sure. You can go, you can see all six films that I've made at wakefieldmediagroup.com,
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wakefieldmediagroup.com. So please go and take a look. We've just shot a movie in Thailand,
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a COVID movie, another feature film, and we've got another film lined up to go.
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Wow. Yeah. I'm, I can't wait to see it. I know, I know it's been in works for a bit. And Brian,
00:25:09.220
what about you? Where can people find you? You can find me at childrenshealthdefense.org.
00:25:15.220
I also have a show on chd.tv called Doctors and Scientists. It airs on Friday mornings.
00:25:22.980
And you can find me on Twitter or X at Brian Hooker, PhD. All right, guys. So before we go,
00:25:30.740
I want to know if you have any final thoughts. I know we're about to tee up the Children's Health
00:25:36.100
Defense Conference. Um, we're getting a lot of action tomorrow. Um, Brian, is there any particular
00:25:41.140
panels or discussions that you're particularly excited about hearing about? Well, of course,
00:25:45.700
the VAX panel kicks us off tomorrow morning. And so it's, it's a big reunion. It's like a review,
00:25:50.660
10 year review reunion event. I, I'm hearkening back to that, that old movie, uh, Romy and Michelle's
00:25:57.700
high school reunion. And so I, we're not going to dress up in eighties clothes or anything like that,
00:26:02.580
but, uh, we're, we're very excited to be able to see each other, to see, you know, this, this film
00:26:09.060
is enduring and it was just an honor to be able to have the story told by, you know, such luminaries
00:26:15.460
and have just such an awesome experience doing it.
00:26:18.980
Exactly. Um, Andy, are you participating in the conference tomorrow or Sunday? What's happening?
00:26:23.780
I'm on the VAX panel and then a measles panel the following day. And, uh, we live in extraordinary
00:26:29.220
times. I couldn't have imagined a year ago we'd have Bobby Kennedy in the White House and
00:26:34.260
be where we are. I think we're, we're beyond the tipping point that it's the last 35 years seem to
00:26:40.660
have evaporated and now we're in a very different world. Yeah, it's a very different world. Um, yeah,
00:26:47.300
thank you so much for, for joining us. Um, you know, for me, I kind of mentioned this earlier. I
00:26:52.820
watched this film for the first time at 15 years old. Um, my mom sort of bribed me to go to the CDC,
00:26:59.940
uh, protest. She, she promised me that she would give me a pair of Doc Martens if I, if I went. Um,
00:27:06.660
and you know, here we are, but I am so excited to, um, be here with the movie, um, be here with the
00:27:13.140
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00:27:21.140
we're trying to make America healthy again, um, with Children's Health Defense and Maha Action.
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I mean, there's so many other amazing groups out there as in Honeycutt with Moms Across America.
00:27:31.220
Um, and I think that this is going to be a really progressive discussion moving forward.
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Good evening. I'm here from the Children's Health Defense Conference,
00:29:05.940
The Moment of Truth in Austin, Texas. I'm joined by Polly Tommy and Brian Burrows.
00:29:13.460
I don't even know how to begin to describe Polly Tommy. She's been an activist for many years for
00:29:19.460
her son, her autistic son. And Brian is a filmmaker. And we just talked a little bit about the film
00:29:26.260
Vaxxed from cover-up to catastrophe. And these two amazing people who are also my heroes were on the
00:29:32.820
team that made that film. So in the trailer, you kind of saw a little bit about Billy Tommy,
00:29:39.140
her son. I wanted to talk with you first, Polly, about what happened to Billy.
00:29:46.740
Yeah, of course. Well, so I think it's really important to remember that I was extremely pro-vaccine,
00:29:52.340
as in to the point where, you know, I'd really been groomed as a young child in a British school
00:29:57.380
that, you know, you obey authority, you don't question people who are brighter than you,
00:30:02.020
which means if you are really, really bright and you're a really good girl, you'll grow up and be
00:30:05.780
a lawyer or a doctor. So, I mean, I went to France, bought an organic crib for my child. I did all of
00:30:11.300
the things to be the perfect mummy, but I didn't think once to question. And even when a friend of
00:30:18.020
mine said, on the day there's this doctor saying there's something wrong with the MMR, I, you know,
00:30:22.420
I kind of, to this day, we've still fallen out because she, I said, why would I question,
00:30:27.220
why would I question a doctor over you? A doctor has a medical degree. I don't have a medical degree.
00:30:32.020
So, I think it's important people know that because they throw anti-vaxxers out the whole
00:30:36.420
time. And you really can't call us anti-vaxxers because we vaccinated ourselves and our kids.
00:30:40.820
We are ex-vaxxers. Yeah, absolutely. I was actually just about to mention that,
00:30:45.460
you know, that's something we just, we say a lot, you know, you can call someone an anti-vaxxer if they
00:30:50.500
just completely reject all vaccines, but you, you went down. Yeah, let's talk about that, right?
00:30:55.860
Well, I want to go back a little bit and talk about when you first got connected with the team
00:31:02.260
behind Vax. I don't even know how that happened. Did you get connected with Andy, Pauly, you know,
00:31:06.820
what went down? I was working on a film here in Austin. I was shooting behind the scenes and a
00:31:12.980
lady said to me, she said, she was a producer on the film and she said, I want you to go meet this
00:31:18.100
gentleman who has need of somebody that does what you do, film, edit, do motion graphics. And so I
00:31:26.660
just had Cruz at the time, my son in 2009, and my wife decided no vaccines whatsoever. And I was
00:31:34.500
actually freaked out about that. You know, I'd heard the same thing, you know, you don't vaccinate
00:31:40.580
your child, your child's going to come down with a horrible disease. And so we had Cruz very soon
00:31:47.700
after he was born, I realized this kid is actually doing okay. And I ended up going to this meeting
00:31:54.980
with Andy Wakefield. And my mother had just sent me an article about this horrible British doctor who
00:32:02.500
was going to bring down everybody. And I'm sitting across the table from him and halfway through, I said,
00:32:08.340
Oh my God, you're the guy. My mom now is completely on board because of how well my son's doing.
00:32:16.020
And she's loves Andy to death. So that's how I kind of got to meet this, this team.
00:32:21.860
Well, I'm so glad that you came on board and shared your skills with, with everyone. I want to pause
00:32:28.420
real quick and I want to throw to Chip Roy, who's going to be joining us. We're going to talk a little
00:32:34.020
bit about the government shutdown. And then we'll, we'll come back to you, Polly and Brian. Chip, are you there?
00:32:40.740
I am great to be on. I'm coming to you from Austin, Texas.
00:32:46.580
Oh, amazing. That's where we are. Thanks for joining. Yeah. So we wanted to throw to you for
00:32:54.340
a little bit and talk about the government shutdown. What updates are there? You know,
00:32:59.620
Well, first of all, let me just say, I mean, I've got a lot of great respect for all the work
00:33:05.860
the administration is doing. And Bobby Kennedy is a good friend on this issue on health freedom,
00:33:09.460
vaccine freedom. And you know, these things, they throw these things around like anti-vax. My dad
00:33:14.740
had polio, like I'm far from anti-vax, but getting to the truth and getting to know what's actually
00:33:19.860
happening and testing this stuff is critically important. So let me just give a shout out to you
00:33:23.060
all for being down there and having those conversations. They're important, but I know you don't have me on to talk
00:33:27.380
about that, but it is important. And the, um, the shutdown, uh, playing games.
00:33:34.340
Yeah. Well, it's a really important issue. And, and, and this is one of the things that I think
00:33:38.020
we need to do a better job of messaging on that this administration is seeking truth wherever it
00:33:41.780
may lead. Bobby Kennedy's doing that. The administration's doing that. And Democrats are
00:33:45.540
now playing political games. And now Schumer's offered this absurd deal. It's not a deal. It's just
00:33:50.340
a fricking joke that would have, you know, we're going to, we want these, uh, insurance enriching
00:33:55.140
subsidies to put $400 billion in the pocket of insurers. Uh, you know, we want a one year,
00:34:00.260
full extension of that, and we will, uh, maybe open the government back for a few weeks. And,
00:34:04.820
uh, you know, we want all this other stuff that's ridiculous. And it's a, it's a, it's a terrible,
00:34:10.100
uh, offer and it should be rejected out of hand. And let's be very clear. The president is correct
00:34:15.940
to be rattling about the, uh, need to reform the filibuster and the extent to which his agenda is
00:34:22.340
being blocked, but Republicans have got busy in Congress. We've got to get busy putting forward
00:34:26.500
an agenda, uh, that would put forward, uh, healthcare freedom and things that would drive
00:34:30.820
the prices of healthcare down and empower patients and doctors instead of insurance companies and
00:34:35.220
bureaucrats. And look, I was talking about healthcare freedom long before COVID long before all the
00:34:40.020
vaccine stuff because healthcare freedom means patients and doctors are in charge, not the bureaucrats
00:34:45.380
in Washington or corporate boardrooms. And I think that's what we got to remember. The Democrats
00:34:49.140
have taken our healthcare system hostage. Now they're holding the American people hostage with
00:34:52.820
their government, uh, so that they can spend more money to enrich, uh, insurance bureaucrats.
00:34:57.460
And we should say no, but we should also say yes to healthcare freedom and to lowering prices
00:35:02.420
for healthcare for the American average American hardworking family.
00:35:07.940
Yeah, absolutely. Um, you know, Americans spend more on healthcare than most of the other
00:35:13.620
developed countries that we have worse health outcomes. So I'm, I'm totally on the same page that,
00:35:18.340
you know, if we're just going back into, if we accept this proposal, um, it's not actually
00:35:25.540
going to make America healthier. Um, what would you like to see happen, Chip?
00:35:32.580
Well, I'd like to see Republicans stand alongside the president. We need to play hardball Democrats.
00:35:36.660
We need to go on offense with what we believe we would do for healthcare for the American people.
00:35:41.220
And we need to lay the shutdown and the games they're playing with air traffic control and with
00:35:45.940
border patrol and with TSA and everybody not getting paid at the feet of Democrats,
00:35:50.180
make them own the shutdown. When we've done our job to fund government at, at common sense levels
00:35:55.540
and go on offense and all the things for the president. But, you know, I've heard Steve talk
00:35:59.700
about this all the time. We're just sitting back. I think, I think the house Republicans need to come
00:36:04.340
back to Washington. I think we need to send a bunch of bills over there, healthcare freedom bills.
00:36:08.500
We should send over the save act saying only citizens vote in our elections. We should send
00:36:12.420
over HR two, which would codify the president's border security plans. We should send over a bill
00:36:16.980
that would ban congressional stock trading by members of Congress. Uh, and I just think we
00:36:21.460
ought to go on offense and make Democrats respond rather than playing defense. The president's winning.
00:36:26.420
Republicans are kind of fiddling, uh, while Democrats are, are, uh, you know,
00:36:30.340
trying to get political advantage while they're advancing, you know, Marxist Islamists in New York,
00:36:35.620
we're sitting back trying to cry about it instead of going on offense, saying what we would do for
00:36:39.380
the American people. So I just think we ought to go on offense here the next few weeks.
00:36:45.220
Absolutely. Um, you know, we are so lucky to have you on the show to talk about this with us,
00:36:49.940
Chip, where can everyone find your, um, information? How can they get to you?
00:36:54.900
Yeah, sure. Chiproy.com C H I P R O Y.com and shiproy T X on, uh, you know, X slash Twitter. Uh,
00:37:02.420
great to be on the show. God bless you all being at that conference. Uh, it's such an important one.
00:37:06.580
Um, you know, this, this issue of freedom with respect to our healthcare, uh, is critically
00:37:11.140
important, whether it's vaccine health or whether it's being freedom from insurance bureaucrats,
00:37:14.900
uh, and reclaiming our ability to take care of our families. So God bless y'all and, and, uh,
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definitely check out all family pharmacy, you guys. Um, I want to hop back to Polly Tommy and Brian
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Burrows. Um, thanks for waiting with us. Um, Brian, I wanted to go back to the making of Vax. I wanted
00:38:20.180
to hear what your perspective was before the movie versus now.
00:38:27.780
It seemed like one of the things that Vax, I think, did was bring the health freedom movement
00:38:35.300
together. It was, it was, it was remarkable. It's when I started working with Andy and Polly,
00:38:41.620
it seemed like there was all of these little factions of groups and anytime somebody started
00:38:47.140
gaining traction, it seemed like there was a lot of infighting and Vax, after it came out,
00:38:53.860
it seemed like it just kind of brought everybody together and everybody started fighting on the
00:38:58.340
same team. And, and it seemed like we gained like tons and tons of momentum. So I think, I think it
00:39:04.100
just had like an amazing effect. Um, I want to jump in there too. Um, so that was actually something
00:39:11.300
that eventually was talked about in the movie Vax too. So you guys didn't just do Vax and move on with
00:39:16.100
your lives. Um, this team went on to make the Vax 2 movie and Vax 3. Um, Polly, I want to talk to
00:39:23.460
you about Vax 2. Um, you know, set the scene for us. You're traveling the country with the Vax movie.
00:39:31.860
Yeah, I mean, really, so the following Vax, um, we, Dal and myself, because Andy was traveling
00:39:38.820
around Europe, promoting it there. And Dal was very much, um, into the, uh, politicians,
00:39:43.780
really good at doing the politicians. And I was taking the parents' stories because they
00:39:47.540
recognized Billy's story was in Vax. And they recognized from that something in their own
00:39:52.820
child. So it was the first time that these parents, including myself, had a voice for our
00:39:58.820
children for years. You know, every time we go to the doctor or wherever we go, it's,
00:40:02.500
you're slammed down that it's not the vaccine. You're ridiculous. You're mad off you go.
00:40:07.460
And so this is what happened following Vax is we, we decided to get a bus and we traveled around
00:40:11.220
and this is where it really hit us. And I have to say, this is the best education
00:40:15.620
I've ever had in my entire life. And I'm pretty sure the people watching on Periscope would say
00:40:19.620
the same thing. I mean, I knew the MMR was a problem. I had no idea that babies died after
00:40:24.580
their four months vaccinations. I had no idea that about the HBV Gardasol that was shutting down
00:40:29.780
the ovaries of these people or the crippled children, the children in wheelchairs of paralysis.
00:40:34.500
I mean, we'd never seen anything like it about vaccines in general, not just the MMR,
00:40:39.380
but there's many different MMR stories because that was what the fact one was primarily about
00:40:45.860
the MMR and the Ford. And, but what we saw when we got out there was that actually there is no
00:40:51.140
such thing as a safe and effective vaccine. Actually, hello. These are the unvaccinated
00:40:56.180
families that are super healthy, really bright. You could see the eyes light up. You could see the
00:41:02.100
dullness and the heartbreak in the families that had the vaccine injured. And that's what shocked
00:41:08.500
us was how many Americans are living with vaccine injury and they're living in utter desperation,
00:41:15.540
no help whatsoever out there. So Vaxxed One gave us the opportunity to make Vaxxed Two,
00:41:21.300
which was about telling the stories of the American families who were injured.
00:41:25.140
And that film ultimately had a huge impact. I mean, I think before maybe people just thought
00:41:32.980
about delaying the MMR, but moving forward, it turned out that there was actually a lot more
00:41:37.300
issues with a lot of different shots. And I think that was one of the beginning films that started
00:41:42.580
that conversation. Polly, Brian, thank you so much for joining us. Can you tell me and the audience,
00:41:48.580
where can we find you? Where can we follow you? What's your website? Tell me about CHGTV.
00:41:52.580
I'm actually still really banned from pretty much. I think I'm only allowed on Instagram. I can't
00:41:56.420
even get on X. But if you follow CHGTV, we're out every single day, seven days a week, 10 o'clock
00:42:03.540
Eastern, nine o'clock Central. And we have Brian Hooker. We have some fantastic experts. None of us
00:42:08.660
are professional hosts. But I tell you what, the shows are really good and they'll bring you truth.
00:42:11.860
They will break down the media and bring you truth. So CHGTV and more children's health defense.
00:42:16.980
That's where you find me. And you can find all the movies there as well. And we're making two more
00:42:21.140
now in the next year for CHGTV. Which we're very, very excited to announce. And what about you,
00:42:28.260
Brian? Is it www.tommyburrowsproductions? Yeah, Tommy Burrows Productions. But pretty much
00:42:33.140
everything we're doing now goes through children's health defense. Okay. Yeah. We're really looking
00:42:37.540
forward to that. They're going to be breaking some news tomorrow at the conference. We'll be plugging in,
00:42:41.380
telling you about their new film. But I can't tell you any secrets yet. But thank you so much,
00:42:46.500
Brian and Paulie for joining us. And I'm sure this will not be the last time we hear from you.
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guest with me, um, who you've actually seen in the show before. Um, Del Bigtree, who I don't even know
00:45:20.900
what to call you now, a TV host, documentary filmmaker. I mean, you're kind of doing everything.
00:45:24.820
Jack of all trades, I guess. Um, I want to just hop back real quick to, um, earlier I mentioned
00:45:31.380
being 15, going to the CDC rally and I was sitting outside of this hotel and I saw this guy in the car
00:45:37.380
and I was like, Oh, he looks a lot like Del Bigtree who I just saw in this documentary vaxxed. And then
00:45:42.980
he got out and it was Del Bigtree. I think I was maybe your first fangirl. I think you were,
00:45:47.900
I think that was the first time I was ever publicly recognized and I'll never forget it.
00:45:52.620
It felt really, I was like, Oh my God, someone like, someone like Del Bigtree. I'm like, yeah.
00:45:58.260
Yeah. That's amazing. Um, we were, we talked a little bit about, uh, the film vaxxed with the
00:46:02.460
rest of the crew. Um, it's been 10 years since it was made. Um, I want to talk about, it feels
00:46:07.900
like 40 years, but I can relate to that. Um, but you were in Hollywood before you made vaxxed.
00:46:15.900
So tell us about that. I was a producer on the CBS talk show, the doctors. Uh, that's where I was
00:46:21.380
working before I got involved with vaxxed. Prior to that, I was on the Dr. Phil show, but I'd won
00:46:25.500
an Emmy award on the doctor's television show. So I was, you know, I consider myself, I guess,
00:46:31.200
medical producer because that was the majority of the work that I did in Hollywood, turning science
00:46:36.820
and medicine into entertainment. And, you know, moving forward, you worked on the film vaxxed. Um,
00:46:42.820
as Pauly Tommy mentioned, you ended up meeting with some different congressmen and senators.
00:46:47.680
Um, and then the high wire was born shortly after. Yeah. I mean, so, you know, vaxxed was
00:46:52.820
on tour for about a year, halfway into that tour, people started saying, Hey, will you come
00:46:57.600
in and talk to our senators and our congressmen? And I was like, sure. I've never done that
00:47:01.880
before. And then, you know, try it as soon as I did. I think it was Mississippi was the
00:47:05.720
first time I ever walked into a Capitol. That's right. I think it might've been your mom
00:47:09.260
that dragged me in. Uh, but as soon as I did it, I was like, Oh, I really enjoy doing
00:47:14.200
this. So as the tour went on, I started going to more and more capitals. And then I started
00:47:18.100
flying because people wanted me to go to the different capitals. So while I was doing that,
00:47:23.140
the truth was, is after a year, vaxxed was only about the MMR vaccine. And I wanted to go
00:47:30.300
deeper because as Pauly said just earlier, it wasn't just autism. It wasn't just MMR.
00:47:35.740
People were saying my baby died after a flu shot. My teenage daughter was paralyzed after
00:47:39.920
a Gardasil vaccine. I wanted to get to the bottom of that. And so I started a nonprofit
00:47:43.940
informed consent action network, started my own internet talk show, the high wire, and then hired
00:47:48.560
a congrats. I mean, you know, the constitutional attorney, Aaron Siri to start suing the government
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so we could get to the bottom of the answers on vaccine safety. What, how had they determined
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that all the vaccines we're giving our kids were safe? That was my primary goal. And I've
00:48:02.780
been doing that work since 2017. And Dal, ultimately, why do you do what you do every
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day? What is the reason? Well, I mean, there's a couple reasons. I
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don't vaccinate my kids. I want them to live in a world where that's, you know, this actually
00:48:19.060
I wasn't vaccinated as a child. So growing up that way, I just wanted to be able to raise
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my kids the way that I was raised and living in California. SB 277 took that right away, took
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the right to choose what's injected into my body or especially the bodies of my children.
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And I think that this is really a freedom issue. You know, at the tip of the spear of all freedom,
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if we do not control what goes into our body and the bodies of our children, we are not
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free. We are not free citizens. I believe we have the same rights as farm animals. And
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I'm not, I don't think I'm overstating that. So my fight is, this is one of the most important
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issues to show that I don't think this country is working the way that it should. And luckily
00:49:00.420
we've got it coming back on the right track. I was director of communications for Robert
00:49:04.580
Kennedy Jr. when he ran for president. I think he's doing a great job at HHS. We have a lot
00:49:08.540
of work to do, but I don't think there's any issue that embodies, you know, whether you
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have freedom or whether you're basically imprisoned and living in an authoritarian state. So I think
00:49:21.560
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Great. It's the most important issue of our time. And to me, it's
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something I think we're all on the same page. We're going to dedicate our lives to it until
00:49:29.520
we see it done. Where can people find you, Dal, and learn more about what you do?
00:49:33.680
My weekly talk show is called thehighwire.com. You can go to all of the, you know, legal work
00:49:39.380
we do at icandecide.org. And I have a film out right now and inconveniencestudy.com, which
00:49:46.520
Yeah. Yeah. I'm really excited about an inconvenience study and your release of that. I'm
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really glad it's out for free. So everyone should check it out. Thank you for joining
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Yeah, you too. You guys, I wanted to move to talk real quick with Mike Lindell. Mike,
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Oh, I'm doing great. Okay. So what do you have going on, Mike? Tell me what's up.
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