Bannon's War Room - Episode 4911： Live From The CHD Conference Day 1

00:00:00.000 Democrats are ready to clear the way to quickly pass a government funding bill that includes

00:00:05.300 health care affordability. Leader Thune just needs to add a clean one-year extension of the 0.70

00:00:12.620 ACA tax credits to the CR so that we can immediately address rising health care costs.

00:00:19.360 That's not a negotiation. It's an extension of current law, something we do all the time around

00:00:26.220 here, as we all know. But we also offer this. Let's create a bipartisan committee that will

00:00:33.820 continue negotiations after the government reopens on reforms ahead of next year's enrollment period

00:00:40.840 to provide long-term certainty that health care costs will be more affordable. This proposal

00:00:47.840 reopens the government and ensures working families who are shopping right now for their health care

00:00:53.540 gets certainty and financial relief.

00:00:58.820 This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on

00:01:07.180 these people. I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a

00:01:14.020 belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world

00:01:17.820 to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go

00:01:21.840 to share the big line? MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:01:30.700 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country,

00:01:37.680 this country will be saved.

00:01:40.660 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Banff.

00:01:44.180 Good evening. My name is Claire Dooley. We're live from the CHD conference in Austin, Texas.

00:01:59.300 Today is November 7th, 2025, year of our Lord. Before we get started with some of our guests from

00:02:05.360 the Children's Self-Defense Conference, I wanted to actually bring in Mike Howell to talk a bit about

00:02:10.900 the government shutdown. Mike, thanks for joining us.

00:02:15.260 Hey, thanks for having me.

00:02:18.980 Thank you so much. So let's talk a little bit about this new article that we just had come up. I think

00:02:23.900 we saw that on CNN. I don't know if we have it. But we wanted to talk about the government shutdown

00:02:30.360 when it comes to the latest updates.

00:02:33.180 Yeah. So Schumer put out a, what I guess people are going to call a, a offer. It's not much of a

00:02:40.340 deal. If we were playing deal or no deal, I think you'd smack that no deal button pretty hard.

00:02:45.400 He basically said, we'll reopen the government if you extend Obamacare. I don't know in what world

00:02:50.800 anyone thinks a victory for Obama is going to get us out of the shutdown. It seems that every

00:02:55.980 Republican on the Senate side has completely rejected it. But working on the other side of this

00:03:01.300 equation, obviously is president Trump calling for Republicans to end the filibuster, to reopen the

00:03:07.720 government unless they can secure a deal and they shouldn't leave town until they do that. So pause

00:03:12.620 right there and say, he controls the FAA. If you wanted to shut down airspace over DCA, he could do

00:03:17.940 that. So that could be an interesting plot twist. But look, the Republican senators, they're not going

00:03:22.820 to end the filibuster. I think we all know this. This is the same kind of contingent that stood by Mitch

00:03:27.800 McConnell for so long. You got to dance with the girl you brought to prom. And unfortunately,

00:03:32.640 a lot of the people at this prom are not on President Trump's side. And even more unfortunately,

00:03:37.440 a lot of them have been endorsed by President Trump over the course of their careers. And you look at,

00:03:41.660 you know, the primaries coming down the pike and it's the same cast of characters, whether it's,

00:03:45.240 you know, Lindsey Graham or types like him that'll still get the Trump endorsement, 0.89

00:03:49.200 but not do what he says here. It's mind boggling.

00:03:54.840 Absolutely. In your opinion, what do you think is going to come of this?

00:04:00.740 Yeah, I think the government will remain shut down for much longer. I don't see a path out of

00:04:06.120 this. I don't think they have the votes and the filibuster. And I don't think after, you know,

00:04:10.720 however long it's been, Republicans can look American people in the eyes and be like, this is

00:04:16.040 what we fought for. We fought to extend Obamacare for you. That's a political loser. Another element

00:04:21.640 of this is the shutdown, you know, does have bad effects for rolling the agenda out. And so what

00:04:26.500 we're really seeing now is the exposure of a massive divide in the Republican Party. That's

00:04:32.260 playing out in a lot of stories right now, by the way, there are people trying to wait out President

00:04:35.900 Trump who hate the America first agenda, but are happy to have America first consultants and,

00:04:40.760 you know, pollsters try to help them speak it so they can stay in the Senate and now, you know,

00:04:45.440 live President Trump's administration. But that's where we're at. We can expect much more of it.

00:04:50.080 It's time we actually get people in D.C. who stand for the things they say on the campaign trail and

00:04:54.320 just not incumbents that can benefit from all this to just stay in the swamp forever. It's getting old.

00:04:59.600 Everyone's sick of it. Everyone is. There's a reason why Congress has the approval rating it does.

00:05:04.260 Absolutely. Um, I think that moving forward, what do you see as, you know, perhaps a solution or

00:05:14.100 when it comes to any, you mentioned Obamacare and, um, you know, if we were to settle on this decision,

00:05:19.940 um, or the proposal that Democrats have put forward, um, you know, what do you see as an ideal

00:05:25.580 situation where Republicans could, you know, walk out of this with something valuable?

00:05:30.260 Valuable. I think Republicans need to take advantage of the leverage, uh, that they have

00:05:35.580 right now. I mean, like the, the Democrat constituencies depend on, you know, the federal

00:05:40.120 government being open more than the Republicans. I mean, you're, you're looking at Democrats cause

00:05:44.820 chaos, uh, that they shut down the government. Flights are being canceled, snap spot being rolled

00:05:50.080 out. And so Democrats should have to live with those consequences. Should they actually come

00:05:54.080 to pass in full steam? It's going to get worse. And Democrats are gonna have to go on camera

00:05:58.200 and explain why they won't just reauthorize, you know, a clean CR and keep this thing open.

00:06:02.840 And so, uh, the, the momentum will swing over time. Obviously Democrats just want to deal right

00:06:08.220 now because they feel like they have this momentum with that commie Zoran up in New York there.

00:06:12.920 They're saying it's a referendum on Trump when it's really a referendum on the United States

00:06:16.420 of America, that we let so much immigration into this country, that we have communist mayors in New 0.76

00:06:20.600 York, uh, that, that aside, I think, you know, Russ votes got to cook, got to let, you know,

00:06:25.580 him off the chain, let the rifts go up and start really, uh, taking advantage of the situation.

00:06:30.420 And I don't think Democrats are going to sit, uh, by and watch all that happen. And they'll

00:06:33.920 come to the table for a clean deal. Cause they'll have to.

00:06:39.300 Absolutely. Mike, thank you so much for giving us a little update on this. Um, can you please

00:06:43.360 tell our viewers how they can find you and, you know, get more updates on you?

00:06:47.260 Absolutely. I'm on X at M how tweets. The oversight project is at it's your gov. Uh,

00:06:53.120 give us a fall. We'd appreciate it. Thank you so much, Mike. Um, you guys hold on later on. We'll

00:07:01.000 have, uh, chip Roy joining us talking more about this, but in the meantime, I actually have two

00:07:06.660 guests that I have been working with for a long time here with me. Um, Brian Hooker and Andy

00:07:13.860 Wakefield. Um, welcome to the show. Well, thank you so much for having us, Claire. It's so good to be

00:07:20.360 here. Absolutely. So for those who don't know, um, there's a film called Vax that came out about 10

00:07:28.740 years ago. Um, and these two people were a key part of this film. In my opinion, it's the reason why I

00:07:35.180 am here today. Um, so I wanted to actually start with Brian. Um, and I wanted you to tell us a little

00:07:42.560 bit about, you know, what the Vax movie is about, um, where did the information come from? Um, all that

00:07:49.240 stuff. Um, well, I was a university professor at a small university in Northern California. And

00:07:58.540 in November of 2013, I received a phone call from a senior epidemiologist from the CDC. His name

00:08:07.480 is Dr. William Thompson. Um, and I, because of my son's own vaccine injury, I had been investigating

00:08:15.260 the CDC for many, many years. Uh, but Dr. Thompson actually called me as a whistleblower and we started

00:08:24.800 talking and over, you know, a few phone conversations and lots and lots of emails. He revealed to me that

00:08:31.340 the CDC had been covering up the fact that there was a link between the MMR vaccine, the timing of

00:08:38.260 the MMR, MMR vaccine and autism. And so over a period of about 10 months time, Dr. Thompson revealed

00:08:47.100 to me many, many secrets about the immunization safety office of the CDC. And then that became the

00:08:53.360 basis of the movie Vax from cover up to catastrophe. And you know, whenever you watch that movie, there was

00:09:00.340 actually a couple interesting, um, data points, especially about African-American males. Um, but I

00:09:07.480 know Andy, before we actually came on, we were talking a little bit about how that study actually

00:09:11.880 came about. Was there more that you wanted to talk about with that? Sure. I just sort of set the scene.

00:09:16.420 I, back in 2000, I was invited to a meeting with the CDC and the FDA and NIH at Cold Spring Harbor.

00:09:24.760 And they said, look, Dr. Wakefield, every kid gets the MMR vaccine. Only some develop autism.

00:09:29.960 How do you account for that? Well, that's just medicine. A lot of people smoke, some develop

00:09:34.600 lung cancer. But I said, one of the variables that we think is important is age of exposure. The age

00:09:40.820 at which you get the vaccine, the younger you get it, the greater the risk of autism. Why? Because

00:09:45.460 we know with natural measles, age of exposure is an important determinant of outcome. If you get it

00:09:50.760 under one or you get it later in life after 50, the outcome is more severe. Now, people are very

00:09:56.620 familiar with this now with COVID. They know that older people are more susceptible to COVID.

00:10:01.580 So people are familiar, but they weren't then. So the CDC said, okay, we'll test that hypothesis.

00:10:08.680 And they went away and they tested it. And for 14 years after they published a negative paper saying

00:10:14.840 there was no association, we all lived in ignorance. Then Brian Hooker came on the scene and the whole

00:10:21.900 thing changed. Absolutely. Go ahead. Yeah. What I was able to do was through Dr. Thompson, I was able

00:10:32.540 to obtain the data directly from the CDC that was used as a basis of the study. And by merely comparing

00:10:40.380 children who received the MMR on time, this was primarily African-American males that received the

00:10:47.100 MMR vaccine on time versus those where the MMR vaccine was delayed until after three years of age,

00:10:54.060 we found that those that received the vaccine on time were three and a half times more likely to get an

00:11:02.220 autism diagnosis than those where they just merely waited until they were three years of age. And so

00:11:07.940 the rates of autism, uh, in African-American males, if they just simply waited until that three-year, 0.82

00:11:16.500 uh, time point, then dropped dramatically.

00:11:21.620 The significance of this, Claire, is that for 14 years, they knew, and they put millions of American

00:11:29.880 children at risk of serious permanent neurological disease to protect public confidence in vaccine

00:11:36.900 policy makers. And they wonder why we are in such a mess right now. The public no longer trust them,

00:11:43.460 and the public is no right to no longer trust them, because they committed a terrible fraud,

00:11:49.060 and, uh, to protect the program. Not to protect the children, to protect the program.

00:11:53.380 And that's an absolute disgrace. Yeah, actually, I remember one of the, um, segments I worked on for

00:11:59.140 CHGTV, um, was the Simpsonwood meetings. Um, if you look up those documents and what the people said in those

00:12:06.500 meetings, when they, they basically, they said, you know, we're talking about our grandchildren,

00:12:09.700 we're talking about our kids. Um, you know, these people were making decisions, basically committing fraud,

00:12:16.180 um, but then going home and deciding they weren't going to vaccinate their kid, or they were going to

00:12:20.260 withhold the MMR vaccine until three. Um, but they weren't advising the American people against that. Um,

00:12:27.300 so we're going to have about, you know, two more minutes. I just wanted to wrap up before we, um, run into the next break,

00:12:33.060 but I want to talk about how, um, the vaxxed movie. How did you guys get together? How did you hear

00:12:39.140 about this? Um, we'll start with that. Well, I actually, um, contacted Andy while I was still

00:12:44.580 working with the CDC whistleblower, and I had primarily been researching Tamarisol, the mercury

00:12:51.780 containing preservative that used to be in many of the vaccines, uh, and still, you know, up to this

00:12:58.340 point has been in the flu shot that they gave it in pregnant women. But I was no expert in the MMR

00:13:04.420 whatsoever. And, and so I called Andy and filled him in the story of the CDC whistleblower and said,

00:13:10.500 look, you are the MMR guy. I do not know what I'm doing here. Does this make any sense to you?

00:13:17.780 The answer is absolutely. And we decided at that stage that we had to record the conversations.

00:13:23.700 It was coming firsthand from senior scientists at the CDC. Brian, because he's more honorable than I

00:13:30.340 am, was originally a little reluctant to do that, but he did it and used to drive three hours north

00:13:35.540 so that he could legally record the conversations. And the film came out of it. Now, people said,

00:13:41.060 well, you just made that up, or it was false, or you, you know, if we had committed defamation,

00:13:47.140 if one word of that, that film had been wrong or mistaken, we would have been sued to the moon

00:13:53.540 and back again. There was not a whisper, not a whisper because they knew that it was true.

00:14:01.380 It's been 10 years since that, that film originally came out. Um, yeah. And, and I am just very honored to

00:14:07.620 be sitting here with these two men, um, who have made this incredible film. Um, we can dive deeper into the

00:14:14.500 conversation about it, but I just wanted to, you know, reflect on being a 15 year old, going to the

00:14:19.300 CDC to protest, uh, watching Vaxxed for the first time. Um, when we come back from the break, we're

00:14:25.380 going to show you guys the trailer. Um, you get to see the, the film, um, at a later date, we have it for

00:14:31.620 free on CHD TV. So if you want to watch it there, you're, you're absolutely welcome to. Um, and yeah, you

00:14:38.340 know, I think that this is a really important conversation that needs to be happening, especially amidst the

00:14:42.900 MMR, um, scandal that's happening and has happened in Texas. Um, and whenever people are armed with the

00:14:49.700 right information, that's how we can move forward. That's all we're about here at Children's Health

00:14:53.060 Defense is giving people informed consent. Um, all right, guys, we're going to have a short break.

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00:16:42.340 My phone rings and it's Dr. William Thompson. You and I don't know each other very well.

00:16:48.020 You have a son with autism and I have great shame now. There's a whistleblower from the CDC who's going

00:16:54.820 to come out and say that the CDC had committed fraud on the MMR study and that they knew that

00:17:00.580 vaccines were actually causing autism. My oldest son, Ian, was walking and running. After the vaccine,

00:17:08.180 he was no longer able to do that. So I called the clinic and I said, I think my child's had adverse

00:17:14.020 reaction to those shots. And then came the headbanging, the constant banging against anything that he could

00:17:20.340 find. Right now, I'm sitting in a very pretty position in terms of providing you a lot of

00:17:24.820 information. The first thing that Thompson did was to plot a graph. Now, if there's no link between

00:17:30.740 early MMR and autism, those two lines should track together. And they do track together until they get 0.82

00:17:36.420 to 15 months. Then they separate and they continue to separate thereafter. And they sliced and diced the

00:17:42.900 data in an effort to get rid of that effect. The relative risk of receiving an autism diagnosis was

00:17:49.940 astronomical. Wow. The CDC had known all along there was this MMR autism risk.

00:18:00.020 In CDC's judgment, the best public policy is to continue vaccination unchanged. You who run our

00:18:06.660 health agencies in this country, you have an obligation to make sure that these studies are

00:18:11.620 complete, thorough, so that we have all the facts. Oh my God, I cannot believe we did what we did. But we did.

00:18:21.220 Omission of crucial data, destruction of documents, misleading the Congress, grievous harm to innocent

00:18:29.780 children. Everything I've been telling my patients for the last 10 years has been based on a lie and a

00:18:37.220 cover-up. Parents should be able to count on federal agencies to tell them the truth.

00:18:46.020 Wow. The vaccine movie was, you know, life-changing for many Americans in the United States.

00:18:53.060 This film is, in my opinion, one of the most important films that has ever been made.

00:18:57.860 My name is Claire Dooley. I'm a documentary filmmaker. I first interacted with

00:19:02.500 Steve Bannon during the trucker convoy that was protesting vaccine mandates. I was reporting live

00:19:07.860 on the road for CHGTV and came on the show doing that. And now, a couple years later,

00:19:14.020 we're here at the Children's Health Defense Conference. Maha is blazing. And I'm here with

00:19:20.020 Brian Hooker. He's a scientist. And Andy Wakefield, Dr. Andy Wakefield, who was a gastroenterologist.

00:19:27.300 Is that how, is that correct? Or is one. So I wanted to get back to the vaxxed movie. I want

00:19:33.860 to talk a little bit more about that. These are the guys behind the movie. We have a couple others

00:19:37.940 that are going to be joining us later. Polly Tommy, who's one of the characters in the movie.

00:19:43.380 We're going to have Brian Burrows and Del Bigtree. But right now, I'm sitting with Brian. I'm sitting

00:19:48.180 with Andy. And I want to talk a little bit about, you know, it's been 10 years since this film was made.

00:19:54.580 Could you have ever known the impact? I mean, what was going through your minds as you were putting

00:20:03.140 this film out? Were you thinking, you know, no one's going to listen to this? Is the public going

00:20:08.020 to be receptive? And then also in the wake of what is happening today, did you ever think that we would

00:20:12.740 be where we are now? If Andy, you want to start, and then we'll come to you, Brian.

00:20:16.900 Sure. It was, I mean, it was going to be dynamite, whatever happened. And we put it in,

00:20:23.700 we decided that we would put it into one film festival, and that was Tribeca. The preeminent

00:20:30.180 film festival in North America, run by Robert De Niro and Jane Rosenthal. And we put it in,

00:20:38.180 it got in. The film got in on its merits. Notwithstanding the fact that Robert De Niro has got himself got a

00:20:45.300 vaccine injured child with autism. And I was home one day, and I got a call from Dell a few weeks

00:20:54.020 later saying they pulled our film from Tribeca. And this is, I think, the first time in the history

00:20:59.940 of Tribeca Film Festival that a film had been censored. And they came up with some cockamamie story

00:21:05.300 about why it was done. Other directors were going to pull their film from the festival if

00:21:12.340 if they played our movie. That is garbage. There isn't a director in the world who would pull his 0.99

00:21:17.780 film from Tribeca Film Festival on the principle. They don't exist. They're not on this planet.

00:21:24.020 What is Tribeca Film Festival known for? I mean, what's their, what's the Tribeca Film Festival

00:21:30.100 overall vibe? You know, what kind of films go through there? Is it activist filmmaking?

00:21:34.260 Feature films, the whole lot. You know, the best of the best. And so it was a bad few days. And then

00:21:40.260 Robert De Niro came out and he went on The Morning Show and Good Morning America. They have a week

00:21:44.900 where they devote, you know, discussion about the film festival. And he said, we shouldn't have done

00:21:51.140 that. We should have played that film. Everybody should see it and make up their own mind. And they

00:21:55.540 tried and tried to move the conversation on to the films that did play. All he wanted to do was

00:22:00.820 talk about the film that didn't play. And it blew up. It blew up worldwide. It was the most

00:22:05.540 extraordinary thing. We call it the De Niro effect. And it, if it had played at Tribeca, maybe

00:22:11.780 200 people would have seen it. It would probably come, then it became a worldwide phenomenon. And

00:22:19.060 I toured all over Europe with the film. And it was extraordinary. And it did, as you say, it woke

00:22:25.380 so many people up to the issue. Because it wasn't me. And it wasn't Brian. And it wasn't Del Bigtree,

00:22:31.460 the producer, giving our opinion. It was the CDC senior scientists saying, we did this.

00:22:38.820 We did a terrible thing. And here is the evidence.

00:22:42.340 And it's sickening because it's something that affects, you know, millions of children. I mean,

00:22:48.420 Brian, do you know any numbers on how many?

00:22:49.860 If the CDC would have been forthcoming when they found that result, and Dr. Thompson told me,

00:22:57.060 he'll never forget, it was November 7, 2001, when that result first was analyzed and, you know,

00:23:05.140 then told to senior CDC officials, then it would have prevented, even in the timeline between that

00:23:13.220 and the Vax movie, it would have prevented a quarter of a million autism cases in African-American males.

00:23:19.620 And that's a conservative figure. And so, you know, that's, that's like, you know,

00:23:24.580 half of Sacramento, half of Austin, Texas.

00:23:27.060 And what kind of autism are we talking about, right? We're not talking about

00:23:30.500 a couple of folks who are good at math or, you know, a little quirky. Can you tell us about,

00:23:35.300 you know?

00:23:35.460 This is profound autism. This is probably the bottom 30th to 40th percentile

00:23:41.380 of autism spectrum disorder. So these are children that will need a lifetime of care.

00:23:49.220 Many of them, like my son, don't speak. They don't have spoken language. Many of them will never be

00:23:56.900 able to correctly use a toilet or be able to go to school. None of them will essentially go on and

00:24:04.580 get married and have children. This is severe, regressive autism. And it's a phenotype that we

00:24:13.300 see over and over and over again.

00:24:15.860 And knowing that someone had the information that could have prevented this and it was withheld

00:24:22.820 is a crime against humanity. I mean, there's, there's really no other words for it. And I'm

00:24:28.100 very proud to be sitting beside two of my heroes and mentors. I mean, it's, I've actually known you

00:24:33.620 guys for about 10 years now. Andy, you've gone on to make several other films. I wish we had time to

00:24:39.780 dive into them, but please tell everyone where they can find your, you, your website, you know,

00:24:45.140 how, how can they get connected with you?

00:24:46.740 Sure. You can go, you can see all six films that I've made at wakefieldmediagroup.com,

00:24:52.420 wakefieldmediagroup.com. So please go and take a look. We've just shot a movie in Thailand,

00:24:58.500 a COVID movie, another feature film, and we've got another film lined up to go.

00:25:04.980 Wow. Yeah. I'm, I can't wait to see it. I know, I know it's been in works for a bit. And Brian,

00:25:09.220 what about you? Where can people find you? You can find me at childrenshealthdefense.org.

00:25:15.220 I also have a show on chd.tv called Doctors and Scientists. It airs on Friday mornings.

00:25:22.980 And you can find me on Twitter or X at Brian Hooker, PhD. All right, guys. So before we go,

00:25:30.740 I want to know if you have any final thoughts. I know we're about to tee up the Children's Health

00:25:36.100 Defense Conference. Um, we're getting a lot of action tomorrow. Um, Brian, is there any particular

00:25:41.140 panels or discussions that you're particularly excited about hearing about? Well, of course,

00:25:45.700 the VAX panel kicks us off tomorrow morning. And so it's, it's a big reunion. It's like a review,

00:25:50.660 10 year review reunion event. I, I'm hearkening back to that, that old movie, uh, Romy and Michelle's

00:25:57.700 high school reunion. And so I, we're not going to dress up in eighties clothes or anything like that,

00:26:02.580 but, uh, we're, we're very excited to be able to see each other, to see, you know, this, this film

00:26:09.060 is enduring and it was just an honor to be able to have the story told by, you know, such luminaries

00:26:15.460 and have just such an awesome experience doing it.

00:26:18.980 Exactly. Um, Andy, are you participating in the conference tomorrow or Sunday? What's happening?

00:26:23.780 I'm on the VAX panel and then a measles panel the following day. And, uh, we live in extraordinary

00:26:29.220 times. I couldn't have imagined a year ago we'd have Bobby Kennedy in the White House and

00:26:34.260 be where we are. I think we're, we're beyond the tipping point that it's the last 35 years seem to

00:26:40.660 have evaporated and now we're in a very different world. Yeah, it's a very different world. Um, yeah,

00:26:47.300 thank you so much for, for joining us. Um, you know, for me, I kind of mentioned this earlier. I

00:26:52.820 watched this film for the first time at 15 years old. Um, my mom sort of bribed me to go to the CDC,

00:26:59.940 uh, protest. She, she promised me that she would give me a pair of Doc Martens if I, if I went. Um,

00:27:06.660 and you know, here we are, but I am so excited to, um, be here with the movie, um, be here with the

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00:27:21.140 we're trying to make America healthy again, um, with Children's Health Defense and Maha Action.

00:27:26.500 I mean, there's so many other amazing groups out there as in Honeycutt with Moms Across America.

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00:29:01.220 Good evening. I'm here from the Children's Health Defense Conference,

00:29:05.940 The Moment of Truth in Austin, Texas. I'm joined by Polly Tommy and Brian Burrows.

00:29:13.460 I don't even know how to begin to describe Polly Tommy. She's been an activist for many years for

00:29:19.460 her son, her autistic son. And Brian is a filmmaker. And we just talked a little bit about the film

00:29:26.260 Vaxxed from cover-up to catastrophe. And these two amazing people who are also my heroes were on the

00:29:32.820 team that made that film. So in the trailer, you kind of saw a little bit about Billy Tommy,

00:29:39.140 her son. I wanted to talk with you first, Polly, about what happened to Billy.

00:29:46.740 Yeah, of course. Well, so I think it's really important to remember that I was extremely pro-vaccine,

00:29:52.340 as in to the point where, you know, I'd really been groomed as a young child in a British school

00:29:57.380 that, you know, you obey authority, you don't question people who are brighter than you,

00:30:02.020 which means if you are really, really bright and you're a really good girl, you'll grow up and be

00:30:05.780 a lawyer or a doctor. So, I mean, I went to France, bought an organic crib for my child. I did all of

00:30:11.300 the things to be the perfect mummy, but I didn't think once to question. And even when a friend of

00:30:18.020 mine said, on the day there's this doctor saying there's something wrong with the MMR, I, you know,

00:30:22.420 I kind of, to this day, we've still fallen out because she, I said, why would I question,

00:30:27.220 why would I question a doctor over you? A doctor has a medical degree. I don't have a medical degree.

00:30:32.020 So, I think it's important people know that because they throw anti-vaxxers out the whole

00:30:36.420 time. And you really can't call us anti-vaxxers because we vaccinated ourselves and our kids.

00:30:40.820 We are ex-vaxxers. Yeah, absolutely. I was actually just about to mention that,

00:30:45.460 you know, that's something we just, we say a lot, you know, you can call someone an anti-vaxxer if they

00:30:50.500 just completely reject all vaccines, but you, you went down. Yeah, let's talk about that, right?

00:30:55.860 Well, I want to go back a little bit and talk about when you first got connected with the team

00:31:02.260 behind Vax. I don't even know how that happened. Did you get connected with Andy, Pauly, you know,

00:31:06.820 what went down? I was working on a film here in Austin. I was shooting behind the scenes and a

00:31:12.980 lady said to me, she said, she was a producer on the film and she said, I want you to go meet this

00:31:18.100 gentleman who has need of somebody that does what you do, film, edit, do motion graphics. And so I

00:31:26.660 just had Cruz at the time, my son in 2009, and my wife decided no vaccines whatsoever. And I was

00:31:34.500 actually freaked out about that. You know, I'd heard the same thing, you know, you don't vaccinate

00:31:40.580 your child, your child's going to come down with a horrible disease. And so we had Cruz very soon

00:31:47.700 after he was born, I realized this kid is actually doing okay. And I ended up going to this meeting

00:31:54.980 with Andy Wakefield. And my mother had just sent me an article about this horrible British doctor who

00:32:02.500 was going to bring down everybody. And I'm sitting across the table from him and halfway through, I said,

00:32:08.340 Oh my God, you're the guy. My mom now is completely on board because of how well my son's doing.

00:32:16.020 And she's loves Andy to death. So that's how I kind of got to meet this, this team.

00:32:21.860 Well, I'm so glad that you came on board and shared your skills with, with everyone. I want to pause

00:32:28.420 real quick and I want to throw to Chip Roy, who's going to be joining us. We're going to talk a little

00:32:34.020 bit about the government shutdown. And then we'll, we'll come back to you, Polly and Brian. Chip, are you there?

00:32:40.740 I am great to be on. I'm coming to you from Austin, Texas.

00:32:46.580 Oh, amazing. That's where we are. Thanks for joining. Yeah. So we wanted to throw to you for

00:32:54.340 a little bit and talk about the government shutdown. What updates are there? You know,

00:32:58.180 what can we expect in the coming weeks?

00:32:59.620 Well, first of all, let me just say, I mean, I've got a lot of great respect for all the work

00:33:05.860 the administration is doing. And Bobby Kennedy is a good friend on this issue on health freedom,

00:33:09.460 vaccine freedom. And you know, these things, they throw these things around like anti-vax. My dad

00:33:14.740 had polio, like I'm far from anti-vax, but getting to the truth and getting to know what's actually

00:33:19.860 happening and testing this stuff is critically important. So let me just give a shout out to you

00:33:23.060 all for being down there and having those conversations. They're important, but I know you don't have me on to talk

00:33:27.380 about that, but it is important. And the, um, the shutdown, uh, playing games.

00:33:34.340 Yeah. Well, it's a really important issue. And, and, and this is one of the things that I think

00:33:38.020 we need to do a better job of messaging on that this administration is seeking truth wherever it

00:33:41.780 may lead. Bobby Kennedy's doing that. The administration's doing that. And Democrats are

00:33:45.540 now playing political games. And now Schumer's offered this absurd deal. It's not a deal. It's just

00:33:50.340 a fricking joke that would have, you know, we're going to, we want these, uh, insurance enriching

00:33:55.140 subsidies to put $400 billion in the pocket of insurers. Uh, you know, we want a one year,

00:34:00.260 full extension of that, and we will, uh, maybe open the government back for a few weeks. And,

00:34:04.820 uh, you know, we want all this other stuff that's ridiculous. And it's a, it's a, it's a terrible, 0.84

00:34:10.100 uh, offer and it should be rejected out of hand. And let's be very clear. The president is correct

00:34:15.940 to be rattling about the, uh, need to reform the filibuster and the extent to which his agenda is

00:34:22.340 being blocked, but Republicans have got busy in Congress. We've got to get busy putting forward

00:34:26.500 an agenda, uh, that would put forward, uh, healthcare freedom and things that would drive

00:34:30.820 the prices of healthcare down and empower patients and doctors instead of insurance companies and

00:34:35.220 bureaucrats. And look, I was talking about healthcare freedom long before COVID long before all the

00:34:40.020 vaccine stuff because healthcare freedom means patients and doctors are in charge, not the bureaucrats

00:34:45.380 in Washington or corporate boardrooms. And I think that's what we got to remember. The Democrats

00:34:49.140 have taken our healthcare system hostage. Now they're holding the American people hostage with

00:34:52.820 their government, uh, so that they can spend more money to enrich, uh, insurance bureaucrats.

00:34:57.460 And we should say no, but we should also say yes to healthcare freedom and to lowering prices

00:35:02.420 for healthcare for the American average American hardworking family.

00:35:07.940 Yeah, absolutely. Um, you know, Americans spend more on healthcare than most of the other

00:35:13.620 developed countries that we have worse health outcomes. So I'm, I'm totally on the same page that,

00:35:18.340 you know, if we're just going back into, if we accept this proposal, um, it's not actually

00:35:25.540 going to make America healthier. Um, what would you like to see happen, Chip?

00:35:32.580 Well, I'd like to see Republicans stand alongside the president. We need to play hardball Democrats. 0.98

00:35:36.660 We need to go on offense with what we believe we would do for healthcare for the American people.

00:35:41.220 And we need to lay the shutdown and the games they're playing with air traffic control and with

00:35:45.940 border patrol and with TSA and everybody not getting paid at the feet of Democrats,

00:35:50.180 make them own the shutdown. When we've done our job to fund government at, at common sense levels

00:35:55.540 and go on offense and all the things for the president. But, you know, I've heard Steve talk

00:35:59.700 about this all the time. We're just sitting back. I think, I think the house Republicans need to come

00:36:04.340 back to Washington. I think we need to send a bunch of bills over there, healthcare freedom bills.

00:36:08.500 We should send over the save act saying only citizens vote in our elections. We should send

00:36:12.420 over HR two, which would codify the president's border security plans. We should send over a bill

00:36:16.980 that would ban congressional stock trading by members of Congress. Uh, and I just think we

00:36:21.460 ought to go on offense and make Democrats respond rather than playing defense. The president's winning.

00:36:26.420 Republicans are kind of fiddling, uh, while Democrats are, are, uh, you know,

00:36:30.340 trying to get political advantage while they're advancing, you know, Marxist Islamists in New York,

00:36:35.620 we're sitting back trying to cry about it instead of going on offense, saying what we would do for

00:36:39.380 the American people. So I just think we ought to go on offense here the next few weeks.

00:36:45.220 Absolutely. Um, you know, we are so lucky to have you on the show to talk about this with us,

00:36:49.940 Chip, where can everyone find your, um, information? How can they get to you?

00:36:54.900 Yeah, sure. Chiproy.com C H I P R O Y.com and shiproy T X on, uh, you know, X slash Twitter. Uh,

00:37:02.420 great to be on the show. God bless you all being at that conference. Uh, it's such an important one.

00:37:06.580 Um, you know, this, this issue of freedom with respect to our healthcare, uh, is critically

00:37:11.140 important, whether it's vaccine health or whether it's being freedom from insurance bureaucrats,

00:37:14.900 uh, and reclaiming our ability to take care of our families. So God bless y'all and, and, uh,

00:37:18.900 enjoy it. Enjoy your time at Austin.

00:37:22.980 God bless you. Thank you so much for joining us. Um, you know, this kind of reminds me of, uh,

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00:38:06.580 definitely check out all family pharmacy, you guys. Um, I want to hop back to Polly Tommy and Brian

00:38:12.340 Burrows. Um, thanks for waiting with us. Um, Brian, I wanted to go back to the making of Vax. I wanted

00:38:20.180 to hear what your perspective was before the movie versus now.

00:38:27.780 It seemed like one of the things that Vax, I think, did was bring the health freedom movement

00:38:35.300 together. It was, it was, it was remarkable. It's when I started working with Andy and Polly,

00:38:41.620 it seemed like there was all of these little factions of groups and anytime somebody started

00:38:47.140 gaining traction, it seemed like there was a lot of infighting and Vax, after it came out,

00:38:53.860 it seemed like it just kind of brought everybody together and everybody started fighting on the

00:38:58.340 same team. And, and it seemed like we gained like tons and tons of momentum. So I think, I think it

00:39:04.100 just had like an amazing effect. Um, I want to jump in there too. Um, so that was actually something

00:39:11.300 that eventually was talked about in the movie Vax too. So you guys didn't just do Vax and move on with

00:39:16.100 your lives. Um, this team went on to make the Vax 2 movie and Vax 3. Um, Polly, I want to talk to

00:39:23.460 you about Vax 2. Um, you know, set the scene for us. You're traveling the country with the Vax movie.

00:39:30.020 Um, you're touring. What, what did you find?

00:39:31.860 Yeah, I mean, really, so the following Vax, um, we, Dal and myself, because Andy was traveling

00:39:38.820 around Europe, promoting it there. And Dal was very much, um, into the, uh, politicians,

00:39:43.780 really good at doing the politicians. And I was taking the parents' stories because they

00:39:47.540 recognized Billy's story was in Vax. And they recognized from that something in their own

00:39:52.820 child. So it was the first time that these parents, including myself, had a voice for our

00:39:58.820 children for years. You know, every time we go to the doctor or wherever we go, it's,

00:40:02.500 you're slammed down that it's not the vaccine. You're ridiculous. You're mad off you go. 0.99

00:40:07.460 And so this is what happened following Vax is we, we decided to get a bus and we traveled around

00:40:11.220 and this is where it really hit us. And I have to say, this is the best education

00:40:15.620 I've ever had in my entire life. And I'm pretty sure the people watching on Periscope would say

00:40:19.620 the same thing. I mean, I knew the MMR was a problem. I had no idea that babies died after

00:40:24.580 their four months vaccinations. I had no idea that about the HBV Gardasol that was shutting down

00:40:29.780 the ovaries of these people or the crippled children, the children in wheelchairs of paralysis.

00:40:34.500 I mean, we'd never seen anything like it about vaccines in general, not just the MMR,

00:40:39.380 but there's many different MMR stories because that was what the fact one was primarily about

00:40:45.860 the MMR and the Ford. And, but what we saw when we got out there was that actually there is no

00:40:51.140 such thing as a safe and effective vaccine. Actually, hello. These are the unvaccinated 1.00

00:40:56.180 families that are super healthy, really bright. You could see the eyes light up. You could see the

00:41:02.100 dullness and the heartbreak in the families that had the vaccine injured. And that's what shocked

00:41:08.500 us was how many Americans are living with vaccine injury and they're living in utter desperation,

00:41:15.540 no help whatsoever out there. So Vaxxed One gave us the opportunity to make Vaxxed Two,

00:41:21.300 which was about telling the stories of the American families who were injured.

00:41:25.140 And that film ultimately had a huge impact. I mean, I think before maybe people just thought

00:41:32.980 about delaying the MMR, but moving forward, it turned out that there was actually a lot more

00:41:37.300 issues with a lot of different shots. And I think that was one of the beginning films that started

00:41:42.580 that conversation. Polly, Brian, thank you so much for joining us. Can you tell me and the audience,

00:41:48.580 where can we find you? Where can we follow you? What's your website? Tell me about CHGTV.

00:41:52.580 I'm actually still really banned from pretty much. I think I'm only allowed on Instagram. I can't

00:41:56.420 even get on X. But if you follow CHGTV, we're out every single day, seven days a week, 10 o'clock

00:42:03.540 Eastern, nine o'clock Central. And we have Brian Hooker. We have some fantastic experts. None of us

00:42:08.660 are professional hosts. But I tell you what, the shows are really good and they'll bring you truth.

00:42:11.860 They will break down the media and bring you truth. So CHGTV and more children's health defense.

00:42:16.980 That's where you find me. And you can find all the movies there as well. And we're making two more

00:42:21.140 now in the next year for CHGTV. Which we're very, very excited to announce. And what about you,

00:42:28.260 Brian? Is it www.tommyburrowsproductions? Yeah, Tommy Burrows Productions. But pretty much

00:42:33.140 everything we're doing now goes through children's health defense. Okay. Yeah. We're really looking

00:42:37.540 forward to that. They're going to be breaking some news tomorrow at the conference. We'll be plugging in,

00:42:41.380 telling you about their new film. But I can't tell you any secrets yet. But thank you so much,

00:42:46.500 Brian and Paulie for joining us. And I'm sure this will not be the last time we hear from you.

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00:45:15.060 guest with me, um, who you've actually seen in the show before. Um, Del Bigtree, who I don't even know

00:45:20.900 what to call you now, a TV host, documentary filmmaker. I mean, you're kind of doing everything.

00:45:24.820 Jack of all trades, I guess. Um, I want to just hop back real quick to, um, earlier I mentioned

00:45:31.380 being 15, going to the CDC rally and I was sitting outside of this hotel and I saw this guy in the car

00:45:37.380 and I was like, Oh, he looks a lot like Del Bigtree who I just saw in this documentary vaxxed. And then

00:45:42.980 he got out and it was Del Bigtree. I think I was maybe your first fangirl. I think you were,

00:45:47.900 I think that was the first time I was ever publicly recognized and I'll never forget it.

00:45:52.620 It felt really, I was like, Oh my God, someone like, someone like Del Bigtree. I'm like, yeah.

00:45:58.260 Yeah. That's amazing. Um, we were, we talked a little bit about, uh, the film vaxxed with the

00:46:02.460 rest of the crew. Um, it's been 10 years since it was made. Um, I want to talk about, it feels

00:46:07.900 like 40 years, but I can relate to that. Um, but you were in Hollywood before you made vaxxed.

00:46:15.900 So tell us about that. I was a producer on the CBS talk show, the doctors. Uh, that's where I was

00:46:21.380 working before I got involved with vaxxed. Prior to that, I was on the Dr. Phil show, but I'd won

00:46:25.500 an Emmy award on the doctor's television show. So I was, you know, I consider myself, I guess,

00:46:31.200 medical producer because that was the majority of the work that I did in Hollywood, turning science

00:46:36.820 and medicine into entertainment. And, you know, moving forward, you worked on the film vaxxed. Um,

00:46:42.820 as Pauly Tommy mentioned, you ended up meeting with some different congressmen and senators.

00:46:47.680 Um, and then the high wire was born shortly after. Yeah. I mean, so, you know, vaxxed was

00:46:52.820 on tour for about a year, halfway into that tour, people started saying, Hey, will you come

00:46:57.600 in and talk to our senators and our congressmen? And I was like, sure. I've never done that

00:47:01.880 before. And then, you know, try it as soon as I did. I think it was Mississippi was the

00:47:05.720 first time I ever walked into a Capitol. That's right. I think it might've been your mom

00:47:09.260 that dragged me in. Uh, but as soon as I did it, I was like, Oh, I really enjoy doing

00:47:14.200 this. So as the tour went on, I started going to more and more capitals. And then I started

00:47:18.100 flying because people wanted me to go to the different capitals. So while I was doing that,

00:47:23.140 the truth was, is after a year, vaxxed was only about the MMR vaccine. And I wanted to go

00:47:30.300 deeper because as Pauly said just earlier, it wasn't just autism. It wasn't just MMR.

00:47:35.740 People were saying my baby died after a flu shot. My teenage daughter was paralyzed after

00:47:39.920 a Gardasil vaccine. I wanted to get to the bottom of that. And so I started a nonprofit

00:47:43.940 informed consent action network, started my own internet talk show, the high wire, and then hired

00:47:48.560 a congrats. I mean, you know, the constitutional attorney, Aaron Siri to start suing the government

00:47:54.100 so we could get to the bottom of the answers on vaccine safety. What, how had they determined

00:47:58.560 that all the vaccines we're giving our kids were safe? That was my primary goal. And I've

00:48:02.780 been doing that work since 2017. And Dal, ultimately, why do you do what you do every

00:48:10.340 day? What is the reason? Well, I mean, there's a couple reasons. I

00:48:14.820 don't vaccinate my kids. I want them to live in a world where that's, you know, this actually

00:48:19.060 I wasn't vaccinated as a child. So growing up that way, I just wanted to be able to raise 0.95

00:48:23.440 my kids the way that I was raised and living in California. SB 277 took that right away, took

00:48:30.840 the right to choose what's injected into my body or especially the bodies of my children.

00:48:35.740 And I think that this is really a freedom issue. You know, at the tip of the spear of all freedom,

00:48:42.600 if we do not control what goes into our body and the bodies of our children, we are not

00:48:45.960 free. We are not free citizens. I believe we have the same rights as farm animals. And

00:48:50.780 I'm not, I don't think I'm overstating that. So my fight is, this is one of the most important

00:48:56.460 issues to show that I don't think this country is working the way that it should. And luckily

00:49:00.420 we've got it coming back on the right track. I was director of communications for Robert

00:49:04.580 Kennedy Jr. when he ran for president. I think he's doing a great job at HHS. We have a lot

00:49:08.540 of work to do, but I don't think there's any issue that embodies, you know, whether you

00:49:13.080 have freedom or whether you're basically imprisoned and living in an authoritarian state. So I think

00:49:19.820 it's the most important issue of our time.

00:49:21.560 Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Great. It's the most important issue of our time. And to me, it's

00:49:25.380 something I think we're all on the same page. We're going to dedicate our lives to it until

00:49:29.520 we see it done. Where can people find you, Dal, and learn more about what you do?

00:49:33.680 My weekly talk show is called thehighwire.com. You can go to all of the, you know, legal work

00:49:39.380 we do at icandecide.org. And I have a film out right now and inconveniencestudy.com, which

00:49:45.280 people can watch for free.

00:49:46.520 Yeah. Yeah. I'm really excited about an inconvenience study and your release of that. I'm

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00:49:55.560 us, Dal.

00:49:55.900 Thanks for having me. Have a great weekend.

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00:50:03.340 are you there? Can you hear me?

00:50:04.980 Yep, I'm here. How are you doing?

00:50:09.500 Oh, I'm doing great. Okay. So what do you have going on, Mike? Tell me what's up.

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Bannon's War Room - November 08, 2025

Episode 4911： Live From The CHD Conference Day 1

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