Bannon's War Room - Episode 4912： Live From CHD Conference 2025 Day 2

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:00:07.000 Pray for our enemies.

00:00:09.000 Because we're going medieval on these people.

00:00:12.000 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:17.000 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:19.000 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:20.000 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:00:22.000 but you're not going to stop it.

00:00:23.000 It's going to happen.

00:00:24.000 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:00:27.000 MAGA Media.

00:00:29.000 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:34.000 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:38.000 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:44.000 War Room.

00:00:45.000 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:00:50.000 All right.

00:00:51.000 Three, two, one.

00:00:55.000 Good morning.

00:00:56.000 Good morning.

00:00:57.000 Today is November 8th, 2025 in the year of our Lord.

00:01:01.000 My name is Claire Dooley.

00:01:02.000 We're live from the Children's Health Defense Conference in Austin, Texas.

00:01:07.000 It's called The Moment of Truth.

00:01:09.000 So why am I here?

00:01:10.000 Why am I hosting?

00:01:11.000 Who am I?

00:01:12.000 I'm a documentary filmmaker.

00:01:14.000 I've been making films for the past 10 years about health freedom.

00:01:18.000 I watched the movie Vaxxed at 15 years old and decided that it was something I wanted to give my life to.

00:01:27.000 There is nothing more important than preventing brain injury in children.

00:01:32.000 There's nothing more important than preventing a mother from holding her lifeless child whenever that could have been prevented.

00:01:37.000 And she was giving that child a medical intervention that she was told would help her baby when in fact it did the exact opposite.

00:01:44.000 And then she's left to deal with the consequences.

00:01:47.000 She's left to pay the medical bills. 0.97

00:01:49.000 She's left to go search for the doctors that can actually help her.

00:01:53.000 The medical industry has abandoned these families.

00:01:56.000 They've gaslit these families.

00:01:57.000 And I would go so far as to also say that they're covering it up.

00:02:01.000 That was what the Vaxxed movie was about.

00:02:03.000 It was about the CDC covering up fraud.

00:02:05.000 They knew that the MMR vaccine was causing autism.

00:02:08.000 And instead of telling the American people, they hid it.

00:02:11.000 That's a crime against humanity.

00:02:13.000 In 1986, the Congress passed an act that took away liability from vaccine manufacturers.

00:02:19.000 So many children were being injured that the pharmaceutical companies came to Congress and said,

00:02:24.000 Hey, we can't keep making vaccines because we can't ensure the supply of them because we're getting sued so much.

00:02:31.000 So we gave them legal immunity.

00:02:33.000 And what happened after that?

00:02:35.000 The vaccine schedule tripled, right?

00:02:37.000 Children today get four times, three times, almost four times as much as people did, I don't know, 40, 50 years ago.

00:02:45.000 So that's what we're dealing with.

00:02:46.000 This is the scene that we're in.

00:02:47.000 We are in an epidemic of chronic illness.

00:02:50.000 And I have brought on a guest today that I'm going to throw off the show with to talk a little bit about this chronic illness epidemic.

00:02:57.000 And why?

00:02:58.000 Because it affects every single American person.

00:03:01.000 Think about your life.

00:03:02.000 Who do you know who's died of cancer?

00:03:04.000 Who do you know who's died of heart disease?

00:03:06.000 Who do you know who has autism?

00:03:08.000 Any kind of developmental delays or disabilities.

00:03:12.000 I mean, who do you know who's in a wheelchair, who's had to have a stent put in their heart, who's had to be in and out of the hospitals, in and out of urgent cares?

00:03:18.000 I mean, this is an issue that is way more pervasive.

00:03:22.000 This affects every single American human being.

00:03:26.000 And I think that that's why the Posse needs to be here.

00:03:28.000 That's why they need to be here.

00:03:30.000 That's why they need to be in the room.

00:03:32.000 Because this is on their hearts, even if they don't know it.

00:03:36.000 So today, joining me right now is Tony Lyons.

00:03:38.000 We're live from the Children's Health Defense Conference, and we're going to be talking to him about why it's important.

00:03:45.000 Why are we here?

00:03:46.000 What are we doing?

00:03:47.000 How are we trying to fix things?

00:03:48.000 I call Tony Lyons the offense.

00:03:50.000 I call Children's Health Defense the defense.

00:03:54.000 So thank you so much for joining us, Tony.

00:03:56.000 Yeah, thanks for having me here.

00:03:59.000 Yeah, I mean, 76% of the American public suffers from a chronic disease.

00:04:04.000 You know, that is an epidemic of just unheard of proportion.

00:04:09.000 So all around the world, countries spend less money and have so much better health outcomes.

00:04:14.000 And that's because we have captured government agencies, we have corrupt public officials, and we have these big companies that are controlling everything.

00:04:25.000 And we need to fight back.

00:04:27.000 So, you know, what's really happened now is that in the course of one year, the whole narrative has changed.

00:04:34.000 So millions and millions of Americans who trusted anything they were told because they were lied to, they were propagandized,

00:04:43.000 they were convinced by these companies that spent billions of dollars doing it.

00:04:48.000 You know, they were really brainwashed.

00:04:50.000 And we can come into that a little bit, right?

00:04:52.000 So that's the direct market to consumer advertising.

00:04:54.000 You want to talk a little bit about that?

00:04:56.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:04:57.000 I mean, a very big part of why the media is controlled is that 70% of the advertising for major networks comes from pharmaceutical companies.

00:05:07.000 So if we could change that, we could really make big progress.

00:05:10.000 70%?

00:05:12.000 You know, CNN has said that it's as much as 70%.

00:05:19.000 So, you know, it's not always going to be true.

00:05:21.000 But it's an incredible percentage of the advertising comes from these companies that are lying to the public, that are poisoning the public.

00:05:29.000 And then the result of that, then, is that when Bobby Kennedy comes out and when his whole team comes out and they start to tell the truth for the first time in a generation, we get these incredible smear campaigns.

00:05:42.000 So we get these companies going to war against people who are telling the truth to the public because they want to protect their revenue stream.

00:05:51.000 They want to protect these incredible profits that have made it so that we spend three times the amount of money on healthcare in this country than any of the other 30 industrialized countries.

00:06:06.000 And we have much worse health outcomes.

00:06:09.000 We were just actually talking about that.

00:06:10.000 You know, like, if you went into a store and you spent three times as much money as the store next to it, you would expect that you would leave with a better outcome.

00:06:18.000 And so we also, you know, what's happening right now, the government's shut down.

00:06:22.000 Democrats are talking about reform with Obamacare.

00:06:25.000 They're trying to hint at making America healthier by just still dumping more and more money into the same systems that are making us sick.

00:06:34.000 So at Maha Action, we're doing something different.

00:06:38.000 Let's talk a little bit about what we're doing at Maha Action.

00:06:41.000 Yeah, so there are all kinds of different things that are big priorities for us.

00:06:45.000 But one of them is to lower the toxic load on every American.

00:06:51.000 So we're not going to get rid of all chemicals.

00:06:54.000 We're not going to get rid of all toxins in food.

00:06:56.000 Maybe that ship has sailed.

00:06:58.000 But we can do so much better.

00:07:00.000 And that's what we're really trying to fight back on.

00:07:03.000 So what's happening is that we need to not have liability shields for anything, not for vaccines, not for pesticides, not for chemicals in food.

00:07:14.000 I mean, this is a system that's set up to protect these companies, not to protect the American public.

00:07:21.000 And we need to start protecting our children.

00:07:24.000 That, I think, makes you a conspiracy theorist and a misinformation spreader today.

00:07:29.000 Yeah, let me just tell you about these words, you know, that have been co-opted.

00:07:34.000 So what is a conspiracy theorist?

00:07:36.000 What is an anti-vaxxer?

00:07:37.000 What is somebody who's anti-science?

00:07:40.000 These words are pharmaceutical company talking points.

00:07:44.000 They're meant to control the narrative.

00:07:46.000 Anybody who really believes in science believes in dialogue, they believe in debate, and they relish anybody coming forward and contradicting them.

00:07:56.000 Because that's what science is.

00:07:57.000 You have to be able to stand up and defend your point of view.

00:08:01.000 Not by censoring people, not by lying to people, not by threatening to people, not by deplatforming people, but by having a better argument.

00:08:09.000 Yeah, actually, the Maha Institute just had an amazing roundtable last month called the Weaponization of Science.

00:08:16.000 I had the privilege of being there and helping with production, and it was an incredible roundtable.

00:08:22.000 They really digged into, you know, how science has been co-opted.

00:08:27.000 What even is science, right?

00:08:28.000 What does it mean whenever you say believe science, right?

00:08:31.000 I mean, how do you believe in something that is a system, not a fact?

00:08:36.000 And so, yeah, you guys can check that out if you go to the Maha Institute Instagram.

00:08:40.000 I wanted to actually touch...

00:08:42.000 That's a great, great point.

00:08:43.000 I mean, you know, you can't believe in science.

00:08:47.000 Science is not a religion.

00:08:49.000 Science is a process.

00:08:51.000 So science, you want people to disagree.

00:08:54.000 The last thing you want to do is believe in science.

00:08:57.000 Science is not static.

00:08:59.000 So we want science changing all the time.

00:09:01.000 Any doctor will tell you that when they went to medical school, their medical books were just littered with things that turn out not to be true.

00:09:10.000 But they were the best that we had at the time.

00:09:12.000 And that's always going to be true, that every moment, every year, things are changing.

00:09:18.000 And we want change.

00:09:19.000 We want radical transparency.

00:09:21.000 But we also want to question the status quo.

00:09:24.000 That's what science is.

00:09:25.000 It's questioning the status quo all the time, every day, as loudly as you can, with as many new facts as you can.

00:09:33.000 Absolutely.

00:09:34.000 And when you say that, it actually kind of brings up some thoughts for me.

00:09:37.000 You know, being from a small town in Mississippi, the majority of my family are not university college educated.

00:09:43.000 And so I feel like a lot of times this can also become a classist issue, right?

00:09:49.000 You have people who went to university who, you know, think that they are better than the average American, you know, working class member, better than people on the posse, you know, whoever that is. 0.96

00:09:59.000 And they think that they can then look down upon them and say, oh, no, you're spreading misinformation.

00:10:04.000 When, for example, a mother takes her child in to the doctor, she knows her child better than anyone else.

00:10:11.000 That child gets five shots in one day, goes home, starts banging their head, screaming for hours on end, has seizures.

00:10:19.000 She goes back to the doctor, says, oh, my gosh, my kid's sick.

00:10:23.000 And what did that, you know, university medical industry doctor say?

00:10:29.000 Oh, that wasn't the vaccine.

00:10:31.000 Or that's totally normal.

00:10:32.000 Just give them Tylenol.

00:10:34.000 This is the situation we're in.

00:10:35.000 I mean, the American citizens are being gaslit and saying, oh, you have to believe in science, believe in us, have faith in us.

00:10:42.000 This is pretty much a preview of actually scientism, which we can touch on later in the show.

00:10:49.000 Joe Allen is a great expert that comes on often about that.

00:10:54.000 Yeah, but these are really great points that, you know, the leaders who we've had over the last generation, they've lied their ways to the top.

00:11:03.000 They've failed their ways to the top.

00:11:05.000 I mean, in what world would you have somebody like Dr. Fauci, who in everything that he was hired to do, he failed?

00:11:12.000 And yet he kept progressing.

00:11:15.000 He kept getting paid more and more money to the extent that he was getting paid more than the president.

00:11:20.000 He was really the most powerful person in the country for a long period of time, and he had never succeeded in anything.

00:11:27.000 Children were sicker and sicker year after year.

00:11:31.000 So, you know, this is not what happens in a private company.

00:11:34.000 This is not what happens in any other area.

00:11:37.000 But it happens in a government that's become co-opted, that's become corrupt, that's become run by these people whose sole purpose is to extract as much money from the American public as they possibly can,

00:11:50.000 while telling parents that they're crazy by ignoring the health of their own children.

00:11:56.000 I mean, what could be more despicable than that?

00:11:59.000 They make more money when we're sick.

00:12:02.000 They did not make money off of us being healthy in the current system that we have built in the United States.

00:12:06.000 And that's why I'm really excited about RFK Jr. as Secretary of HHS.

00:12:11.000 I think he's doing a fantastic job at trying to truly move forward and make America healthier.

00:12:17.000 I actually want to play a quick clip of RFK Jr. and we'll pop back in and talk with someone else.

00:12:24.000 He thrives on spreading lies to the vulnerable. That's definitely me.

00:12:27.000 That has been lying.

00:12:28.000 That has been lying.

00:12:29.000 That has been lying.

00:12:31.000 We noticed that RFK Jr.'s portrayal in the press is sometimes a little over the top.

00:12:36.000 So we decided to play a little game and compare real quotes from real news outlets.

00:12:40.000 Thank you.

00:12:41.000 Let's see what happens.

00:12:42.000 His actions cause global damage and catastrophe.

00:12:45.000 How does that mean?

00:12:46.000 Sadly, that's you.

00:12:47.000 Sorry.

00:12:48.000 He's obsessed with bringing down America. That's been lying.

00:12:51.000 He is reckless and dangerous. That's me.

00:12:54.000 Correct.

00:12:55.000 He unites people in fear. That would be me, probably.

00:12:58.000 Bin Laden.

00:12:59.000 Oh, good. That's sweet.

00:13:00.000 He must be held accountable and brought to justice. That's Bin Laden. 0.99

00:13:04.000 That was you.

00:13:05.000 Oh, God. History will judge him as a monster. I'm saying that's Bin Laden. 0.99

00:13:09.000 That's Bin Laden, yeah.

00:13:10.000 He's a global threat. That's Osama Bin Laden. 0.99

00:13:13.000 Sadly, that's you. 0.71

00:13:14.000 He's a fanatic consumed by conspiracy. That's probably me.

00:13:19.000 Nope. Bin Laden.

00:13:20.000 Oh, good. He's an evil nihilist. I know that's me because I remember that one. 0.99

00:13:23.000 It's also Bin Laden. 0.64

00:13:24.000 Oh, that's economical of him.

00:13:27.000 Is it possible that the press rhetoric about Bobby Kennedy is a bit hyperbolic?

00:13:31.000 So we want to talk a little bit more with you guys soon.

00:13:41.000 I'm actually going to throw to you, Tony.

00:13:44.000 We had a couple more comments you wanted to make about.

00:13:47.000 Yeah, there were a couple of things.

00:13:48.000 One of the things that you should have gotten from that clip is that, you know, they want to portray Secretary Kennedy and President Trump as being a danger to the public, you know, that their public health views are a danger.

00:14:01.000 And the truth is that they're just a danger to corporate profits.

00:14:07.000 They're a danger to this corrupt system that's poisoned the American public.

00:14:11.000 And when you look at some of the facts and there's one fact that I think a lot of you will will really like to hear, which will resonate with you, and that is that during covid where we were told that people were crazy, people were dangerous, who wouldn't get vaccinated.

00:14:26.000 But during that exact period of time, we let 10 million unvaccinated people come across the border.

00:14:33.000 So where's the logic there?

00:14:35.000 Of course, it was not about public health.

00:14:37.000 It was about controlling the American public.

00:14:40.000 Otherwise, we would never we would have shut the border down entirely.

00:14:44.000 We would not have let one unvaccinated person come across that border. 1.00

00:14:49.000 But that's not what happened.

00:14:50.000 Absolutely.

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00:16:41.000 War Room.

00:16:42.000 We're joining you here live from the Children's Health Defense Conference.

00:16:47.000 I'm Claire Dooley.

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00:17:27.000 So moving on, I want to talk to Lee Marinoff, who I've brought on here, who is a great friend

00:17:33.000 of mine.

00:17:34.000 Thanks for being here, Lee.

00:17:36.000 Thank you.

00:17:37.000 I love being here with you.

00:17:38.000 So we have actually a headline we wanted to bring up.

00:17:42.000 Lee recently has been doing some really powerful stuff with the Strategic Health Initiatives

00:17:47.000 and Maha Action.

00:17:49.000 This is through Strategic Initiatives.

00:17:52.000 Maha is supporting rural health nationwide.

00:17:55.000 Lee, tell us a little bit about what you've been doing.

00:17:58.000 You've been traveling the country.

00:17:59.000 You've been like, every time I call her, she's in a different place right now.

00:18:02.000 Well, we at Maha Action really wanted to support the rural communities.

00:18:08.000 And I was at the governor's meeting in Colorado in August when this all came about.

00:18:15.000 Dr. Oz, through CMS, came up with a plan with I think a lot of the governors in talking

00:18:22.000 how to best support the states.

00:18:24.000 And one of the things that they saw is that the rural communities have really been neglected.

00:18:29.000 The hospitals are shutting down.

00:18:31.000 People are extremely unhealthy or more unhealthy than they are in the cities.

00:18:36.000 And they came up with a great plan that was put on such a fast track, like the biggest

00:18:41.000 fast track we've ever had.

00:18:43.000 And in the past six weeks, they gave the states to apply for $50 billion for rural communities.

00:18:51.000 And they split it up.

00:18:52.000 The first $25 billion, they decided to allocate to all the states equally.

00:18:57.000 And that was just to, I think, get their attention, say that we're really interested in this.

00:19:02.000 But the second $25 billion, they had to submit proposals for.

00:19:07.000 And this came out.

00:19:09.000 We were all waiting for the application.

00:19:12.000 It came out and they said, they're due.

00:19:14.000 Even though the government shut down, the applications have to be in.

00:19:17.000 And they were in this past week, November 5th.

00:19:20.000 We at Maha Action had 12 great ideas.

00:19:25.000 But obviously, that was too much.

00:19:26.000 The governors didn't really know us.

00:19:28.000 So we came up with the top four.

00:19:30.000 And we didn't have any kind of access to the governor.

00:19:35.000 So we just started calling, asking our friends, who knows whom.

00:19:39.000 And any appointments we could get, we just got on a plane and went to different states.

00:19:45.000 And now the application's due.

00:19:49.000 Now it's in CMS's court.

00:19:51.000 They have six weeks to figure out how they're going to allocate all $50 billion.

00:19:56.000 And we will hear December 31st.

00:19:58.000 We're all taking a break, trying to catch up on everything we missed before.

00:20:02.000 And then we'll go back out and see how we can help support with experts

00:20:06.000 the things that Maha Action really thinks will help make the rural communities healthier again.

00:20:12.000 Yeah, and there was also, was it about 20 states that are participating?

00:20:16.000 Is it something like that?

00:20:17.000 We have about 23 states that actually engaged with us.

00:20:20.000 And they were bipartisan, both Republican and Democratic states.

00:20:24.000 In the end, we've been trying to see the different applications.

00:20:28.000 And we'll get FOA.

00:20:30.000 We'll do FOA requests for anyone that we can't find.

00:20:33.000 But in the end, the states all made them pretty general.

00:20:37.000 And they'll be looking around and asking for pilots.

00:20:41.000 And they'll probably do a lot of requests for proposal in January.

00:20:44.000 So our recommendation is that citizens get involved and see if you have a way to make your rural community healthier.

00:20:52.000 You know, this is the time to get involved.

00:20:54.000 Call your legislators.

00:20:55.000 Call your senators.

00:20:56.000 Call your governor.

00:20:57.000 And let's see if we can all help.

00:20:59.000 Absolutely.

00:21:00.000 There's actually a Maha legislative tracker that you can find on mahaaction.com.

00:21:07.000 That can tell you, you can put in your information.

00:21:10.000 It can tell you who your legislators are, who in your area is Maha friendly or not, what bills you can find. 0.77

00:21:16.000 It's pretty incredible what Maha is doing.

00:21:20.000 Lee, do you have any other suggestions for specific things?

00:21:23.000 How can people mobilize?

00:21:24.000 What can they do?

00:21:25.000 Well, first of all, we have a couple million people that have let us know that they are behind us.

00:21:31.000 And we know that there are lots more.

00:21:33.000 So this legislative tracker you spoke about is phenomenal.

00:21:36.000 You go on.

00:21:37.000 If you've never helped change a bill before, this is your beginning.

00:21:41.000 We have bills of the week.

00:21:42.000 And you can go on, press your state.

00:21:44.000 So I'm from Vermont.

00:21:45.000 You press the state.

00:21:46.000 And we're trying to stop, you know, a mask law. 0.71

00:21:48.000 So in our state, anytime they want, they can make all the kids in schools put on masks.

00:21:53.000 I don't think that's a good thing.

00:21:55.000 So how do I do it?

00:21:56.000 So it tells you how to change it.

00:21:57.000 We have ideas.

00:21:58.000 How do you write an op-ed?

00:21:59.000 Like, get out there, write an op-ed.

00:22:01.000 And you don't have to run to be a house member that you should.

00:22:04.000 And I encourage it.

00:22:06.000 A lot of young people are doing that.

00:22:08.000 But we are at Maha Action really, really trying to help motivate just everyone to get involved and help us change laws.

00:22:18.000 And we will be giving more and more ideas of how to do that, how to engage.

00:22:23.000 Absolutely.

00:22:24.000 So these two people next to me, Tony Lyons, Lee Marinoff, I am so proud to be in the room with you and to even get to work with you.

00:22:31.000 Maha Action is doing a lot of incredible work all the time.

00:22:36.000 I'm so proud to see, you know, there's this new Maha report every single, there's several times a day the Maha report goes out.

00:22:42.000 You can learn about what's going on when it comes to Maha in our country.

00:22:48.000 Tony and Lee, I have a question for you, Tony.

00:22:53.000 When all this was going on, you know, what is that like as the president of Maha?

00:22:59.000 And then we have Lee here who's running across the country.

00:23:02.000 You know, how are you guys working together to make it happen?

00:23:06.000 Well, you know, much of it is, it's a question of, you know, I see this as a cultural war just as much as it's a war to change what governors do, to change what states do, you know, because the legal system works slowly.

00:23:24.000 And what we've seen in a very short period of time is that the whole narrative has begun to change.

00:23:30.000 And so there were words that one year ago nobody had heard of.

00:23:34.000 Petroleum-based food dyes.

00:23:36.000 Who was using that word or that phrase one year ago?

00:23:40.000 Who was talking about beef tallow?

00:23:42.000 So you go to restaurants now and the waiters will tell you that they cooked their fries in beef tallow.

00:23:48.000 Seed oil scout.

00:23:49.000 So, seed oils.

00:23:51.000 You know, there are so many different words.

00:23:53.000 You know, even ultra processed foods.

00:23:56.000 Nobody really knew what that was one year ago.

00:23:58.000 And, you know, even more importantly, nobody thought that it was okay to talk about whether vaccines were safe or not.

00:24:06.000 Or to talk about whether pesticides on vegetables were safe.

00:24:11.000 Or to talk about, you know, all kinds of different drugs.

00:24:15.000 So we were at this point where 95% of the population in certain areas like vaccines, maybe it was 98%, were just totally brainwashed.

00:24:24.000 And now that's been blown wide open so that people really believe that they can talk about anything.

00:24:30.000 And that is such an incredible change.

00:24:33.000 And what we need to do is look at that rate of change.

00:24:36.000 But also look at the fact that this Maha movement is just an incredible gift to the Republican Party. 0.99

00:24:43.000 And we want to make sure that the Republican Party recognizes that.

00:24:47.000 And I believe that Republicans all around the country, 90 or 95% of them, really do recognize that and want that and are begging their politicians to back the Maha movement. 0.92

00:25:02.000 What does that number look like?

00:25:03.000 I mean, isn't, when it comes to Maha being able to swing an election, isn't it something like, give us the numbers on, you know, what kind of voting base we have now?

00:25:12.000 Sure.

00:25:13.000 I mean, last week was just clearly a wake-up call for Republicans.

00:25:17.000 That, you know, they should have used the Maha base so much better.

00:25:24.000 We were ready.

00:25:25.000 There were millions and millions, not 2 million, not 10 million, but 100 million or 150 million people.

00:25:31.000 You know, in all kinds of polling we've done, there's just such widespread backing for these ideas.

00:25:37.000 But we have a lot of politicians who've taken a lot of money from a lot of these companies.

00:25:43.000 And that has to change.

00:25:45.000 And they have to recognize that their base, their voters, want this change.

00:25:50.000 They're demanding this change.

00:25:52.000 And if they give it to them, that if they begin to really see that they can raise money from this base,

00:25:58.000 that they can win elections from this base, then I think we're going to see a massive victory in the midterms.

00:26:05.000 And that's what we really want.

00:26:07.000 Absolutely.

00:26:08.000 I mean, I don't think there's anything more pro-American than being pro-health.

00:26:13.000 Lee, do you have a comment on that?

00:26:15.000 Yes.

00:26:16.000 As we traveled around the country, I've spoken with so many just random people that said that they, outside of their doctor's advice, just changed their diets.

00:26:28.000 And many of them, I've met so many people that have lost 100 pounds.

00:26:32.000 It seems like the magic number.

00:26:34.000 They've lost 100 pounds.

00:26:35.000 They've gotten off their diabetic medication.

00:26:38.000 And it's all through going on a different kind of diet that is very easily available to most Americans.

00:26:46.000 And so we are putting that forward.

00:26:49.000 And I'm telling you, if we flip school lunches, if we change the food in hospitals, if we get Americans to not be as diabetic as they are now,

00:26:58.000 and that happens under President Trump and Secretary Kennedy, we are heroes.

00:27:03.000 And that is the road we're going down.

00:27:05.000 That is the message that we need to push.

00:27:07.000 And these are not people that even have heard anything about Maha.

00:27:10.000 This is what people are doing.

00:27:12.000 And we are ready.

00:27:13.000 And this is our time.

00:27:14.000 So I could not be more excited.

00:27:16.000 This is our time.

00:27:17.000 This is it.

00:27:18.000 And that's how I feel.

00:27:19.000 We are pushing ahead as quickly as we can.

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00:28:52.000 All right, I'm Claire Dooley. We're live from the Children's Health Defense Conference 2025 Moment of Truth in Austin, Texas.

00:29:09.000 I have Tony Lyons, president of Maha Action, joining me, and Lee Marinoff.

00:29:15.000 Tony, we were talking a little bit over the break about how some Democrats say that we need to – we don't want to medicate the – sorry, it was about the food, right?

00:29:30.000 So we want to feed people to keep them from getting sick, but the food that we're giving them is actually making them sick.

00:29:35.000 You want to talk a little bit more about that?

00:29:36.000 Sure.

00:29:37.000 The idea is that there's not that much food, that there are a lot of poor people, and that we have to just get them calories.

00:29:45.000 So the idea there is just so crazy because, you know, they say, well, we can't afford to have healthy food.

00:29:52.000 But, Tony, we can't afford not to have healthy food.

00:29:56.000 Right, and, you know, eating unhealthy food actually costs the government more. 0.81

00:30:02.000 So if you look at Medicare or Medicaid, they're responsible for these people's health for their whole lives.

00:30:08.000 So if they get a chronic disease later, we as taxpayers have to pay for that.

00:30:13.000 So, you know, it really is true now that the Democratic Party has started to say, well, pesticides aren't really so bad for you.

00:30:23.000 Ultra-processed foods aren't so bad for you.

00:30:25.000 The New York Times runs these articles and you have people going on to, you know, Instagram eating, you know, glasses filled with food dyes.

00:30:34.000 So, you know, this is just a really crazy point, and it gets back to the idea that this is such a gift to the Republican Party,

00:30:42.000 that Maha really has the ability to galvanize millions and millions of voters who recognize that they're just being lied to,

00:30:50.000 that these ideas are bad ideas and they're unhealthy and they're killing our children.

00:30:56.000 Well, I totally agree with that, Tony.

00:30:59.000 And the thing is, is there are a few things that we have to change right now.

00:31:03.000 Because a lot of times people get unhealthy food and they eat it because they don't know how to cook.

00:31:10.000 We need to teach Americans how to cook again as a normal part of the day.

00:31:16.000 To take a chicken, to throw it in a pot of water, to make a soup, to make a stew, to make something that lasts, that has leftovers.

00:31:24.000 Leftovers have to be the new common theme in a family group.

00:31:28.000 We need to have a Sunday where you cook several meals for the week. 0.78

00:31:34.000 And I think our job is to figure out how to make that possible.

00:31:39.000 How do people afford it? How do they do it? 0.88

00:31:42.000 And I think that's a lot of what Maha Action can do to support HHS and we can support President Trump.

00:31:48.000 Such a great point, Lee.

00:31:50.000 I mean, if you look at Japan, something like 20 years ago they stopped mandating vaccines.

00:31:57.000 The kids are so much less medicated.

00:32:00.000 And every school in Japan has a chef.

00:32:04.000 So all the food that children eat in their schools there are fresh foods that are cooked on the same day that the kids eat them.

00:32:12.000 Whereas here, what do kids eat in school?

00:32:15.000 Right. And I just want to say I've worked on school lunches for a long time in the state of Vermont.

00:32:20.000 And there's so many laws and regulations that prevent children from eating healthy food.

00:32:26.000 And that is something that I think that President Trump sees it.

00:32:30.000 I think they see it at HHS.

00:32:32.000 We have got to change the laws and the regulations.

00:32:35.000 Then we have to refurbish kitchens, rebuild kitchens.

00:32:38.000 And that costs money.

00:32:39.000 And we've got to figure out how to do this.

00:32:41.000 That is part of the Rural Health Transformation Program.

00:32:44.000 And I think we're on our way.

00:32:46.000 I think, honestly, Lee, I've seen you in action for three years at your farm school in Vermont.

00:32:51.000 I don't think there's a better person to be doing this than you.

00:32:55.000 I think I would call you an expert.

00:32:57.000 You know, when you go to Lee's farm school, you see kids eating real food, eating whole foods.

00:33:05.000 You know, maybe it's meat.

00:33:06.000 Maybe it's a little bit of fresh, organic sourdough, some cheese, some raw milk,

00:33:11.000 some berries that they made and canned themselves, blueberries.

00:33:15.000 Ferments. Don't forget the ferments.

00:33:17.000 Fermented foods, yes, that's a great point.

00:33:19.000 And ancestral foods as well.

00:33:21.000 I wanted to talk a little bit about your farm school, Lee, before we head out.

00:33:28.000 You know, how long has the farm school been around?

00:33:30.000 What are you guys doing with the future?

00:33:32.000 You know, give us the rundown.

00:33:33.000 Well, our farm school's been around for 15 years.

00:33:36.000 And I really learned farming outside of this country, working on another program in Africa and Asia.

00:33:43.000 We now have such a demand for classes that we cannot keep up.

00:33:48.000 And so starting in January, we really want to have a bigger online presence.

00:33:53.000 We are hoping that that we will learn.

00:33:55.000 I mean, I'm old.

00:33:56.000 So that's what I'm here for, right?

00:33:58.000 I don't know how I'll do it.

00:34:00.000 But five young friends like you, Claire, we're going to figure out how to try to bring this to 100 million homes in America.

00:34:07.000 And we're going to figure out how many of those we can get into.

00:34:10.000 And the idea is to teach skilling.

00:34:12.000 Cooking, sewing, sewing is first.

00:34:14.000 Cooking, sewing, basic building.

00:34:16.000 Yeah, carpentry, kids.

00:34:18.000 I mean, also even just basic survival skills.

00:34:20.000 How many American children don't or people don't know how to make a fire, right?

00:34:24.000 Like that's a basic survival skill that got humanity to where it is.

00:34:27.000 And many of them don't even understand how to do such a thing.

00:34:30.000 So I went to the farm school.

00:34:32.000 I started making a documentary series about the farm school three years ago.

00:34:36.000 We're kind of soft launching and talking about it now.

00:34:39.000 Nothing's released quite yet.

00:34:40.000 We're going to show you guys the trailer soon.

00:34:42.000 But I do have to say that even as an adult who, you know, as a kid, I grew up in rural Mississippi,

00:34:48.000 I still, I thought I knew a lot about homesteading.

00:34:52.000 And I found out I didn't really know anything.

00:34:54.000 Most of the six year olds there knew more than I did.

00:34:57.000 And I learned a lot being there.

00:34:59.000 So, Leigh, before we go, how can people find you?

00:35:02.000 Are you on social media and stuff?

00:35:04.000 Well, okay.

00:35:05.000 We are on Instagram.

00:35:06.000 And we do have an account.

00:35:08.000 It's called Meadows Bee.

00:35:09.000 And then our farm program is called Young Farmer Starts.

00:35:12.000 Young Farmer Starts.

00:35:13.000 So you can find us.

00:35:14.000 I mean, we're a little, we're getting better.

00:35:17.000 Yeah.

00:35:18.000 We're working on it.

00:35:19.000 With your help, Claire.

00:35:20.000 Also, I did make a landing page for our documentary series.

00:35:23.000 So if you go to watchmeadowsbee.com, you can sign up for email, our email list,

00:35:28.000 and we can send you updates.

00:35:29.000 We have actually a couple of things in the shop there where you can buy for Christmas

00:35:33.000 coming up.

00:35:34.000 There's a couple of sewing tutorials, really cute kind of stuff for beginning, beginner

00:35:39.000 sewing things.

00:35:40.000 So yeah, you guys should definitely check it out.

00:35:42.000 We are going to play the trailer.

00:35:45.000 This was empty, just like the other one.

00:35:49.000 Everywhere around the world, people take care of themselves.

00:35:53.000 Only in America, we don't know how to do anything.

00:35:57.000 Twelve bees, it's their entire life's work, makes one teaspoon of honey.

00:36:04.000 I've started a new program called Young Farmer Starts.

00:36:11.000 It's people giving of their time and sharing their skills with young children.

00:36:16.000 And the harder I make it, the happier they are.

00:36:19.000 You guys can get in your grips and we can get this day rolling.

00:36:22.000 We're teaching kids where their food comes from, how it actually grows, the hard work

00:36:27.000 that goes into it.

00:36:28.000 By running children through real-life experiences, they get a mastery and an understanding and

00:36:36.000 a compassion.

00:36:37.000 You get kids to love being alive.

00:36:47.000 This vote is for the budget.

00:36:49.000 Just to be clear.

00:36:50.000 Everyone join us and let's keep the school open and let's keep this community thriving.

00:36:55.000 I have never seen any human being that was able to impart some skills on that you didn't

00:37:05.000 watch their anxiety level change.

00:37:09.000 As having skills and doing something, they found belief in oneself was easier.

00:37:16.000 Why do you think they get so stressful up against your chest?

00:37:20.000 Because they feel like the bump on your head.

00:37:22.000 Yeah.

00:37:23.000 When people come in and say that it's not a good education, they don't see it.

00:37:30.000 They don't see the kids coming here once a week and farming.

00:37:33.000 They don't see the value of teaching a kid how to plant a seed.

00:37:36.000 My father used to say problems are great opportunities in disguise.

00:37:40.000 Well, if you take away all your kids' problems, they have new opportunities.

00:37:46.000 Let's go this way, guys.

00:37:47.000 Hold on.

00:37:48.000 I counted that.

00:37:49.000 As a civilization, we have needs to be met.

00:38:02.000 My goal in all the programs I've developed is to have a child that feels like they belong.

00:38:09.000 This one's for apple picking.

00:38:10.000 Okay.

00:38:11.000 Here's the level 2-1.

00:38:12.000 This one's for sheeping.

00:38:13.000 Another sheeping one.

00:38:14.000 This one's for making fires.

00:38:15.000 So you can make a fire.

00:38:16.000 How old are you?

00:38:17.000 Seven.

00:38:18.000 So I devoted the first, I don't know, say 10 years or so of my career.

00:38:19.000 This one's for making fires.

00:38:20.000 This one's for making fires.

00:38:21.000 This one's for making fires.

00:38:25.000 This one's for making fires.

00:38:26.000 So you can make a fire.

00:38:28.000 This one's for making fires.

00:38:29.000 This one's for making fires.

00:38:30.000 So you can make a fire.

00:38:32.000 How old are you?

00:38:33.000 Seven.

00:38:34.000 This one's for making fires.

00:38:35.000 This one's for making fires.

00:38:39.000 So I devoted the first, I don't know, say 10 years or so of my career to documentary filmmaking

00:38:50.000 the vaccine industry corruption um you know i went through several different films that i was

00:38:55.980 on the team of vax 2 which covered thousands of children who were injured by vaccines uh 1986

00:39:01.640 the act which um kind of goes into the history of why the pharmaceutical industry um gained

00:39:08.320 liability against vaccine um against being sued for harming people um but later on i wanted to

00:39:15.580 um move into something more progressive something that pushed us forward and that is the meadowsby

00:39:22.300 farm documentary series um we'll be releasing it um sometime soon uh coming early next year so if

00:39:28.860 you want to go and sign up for the email list i can give you guys updates as much as i can

00:39:32.700 we have a cute little shop um you know christmas is coming up my little daughter loves she's 18

00:39:38.500 months she loves wearing the little t-shirts from meadowsby farm every day she picks them out i had

00:39:42.840 to get like four of them because they would get so dirty um anyways so yeah you guys definitely

00:39:48.120 check it out um joining me right now is um sarah doe which i am very happy to have you here thanks for

00:39:56.960 being here so sarah sarah doe um was actually kicked out of school for um not complying with

00:40:05.520 the vaccine mandate is that correct yes um if you want to go a little bit into we've got about two

00:40:11.920 minutes till the break and then we'll take a break we'll come back but um if you want to tell us a

00:40:16.440 little bit about what your life was like whenever you were in school when i was in school yeah when

00:40:21.760 you were in school okay so when i was in school um it was like wait i'm scared um our lovely our

00:40:31.880 lovely sarah doe joining us is 16 years old this is probably one of her first live interviews but i'm so

00:40:37.260 happy you're here but for you you know were you enjoying your school experience yeah a lot yeah

00:40:42.820 very much and they took it all away but right so so at a certain for a certain period of time um

00:40:49.840 sarah sarah doe you had no vaccinations is that correct yeah till 2019 i didn't have any vaccinations

00:40:55.540 because i had a religious exemption okay and then at a certain point what state do you live in i live

00:41:01.280 in new york you live in new york yeah that religious exemption was removed yeah so that means that

00:41:06.700 she's then put in a position where she has to be vaccinated to go to school um so so what happened

00:41:12.080 were you vaccinated at that point um i had to get um i think

00:41:16.840 like 10 doses to get caught up just to be put back into school wow and ever since i've gotten those

00:41:25.540 um i've had like my whole body's had a reaction it's it's been so bad i've never been the same since

00:41:31.440 those vaccines um and yeah i actually um was talking about it with michael cain who we had

00:41:36.940 on yesterday um about some of the health issues that you've experienced since then um you know

00:41:42.900 what would you describe that as was that obviously it's not an enjoyable no experience right i mean i

00:41:51.340 mean what what how did your life change so ever since those vaccines um my body gets um active flare-ups

00:41:59.440 of like a rash all over my body and it feels like my whole body's on fire and it just feels it's it

00:42:05.980 feels like it's insane it's the worst feeling anyone can ever feel incredibly painful i know this might

00:42:11.780 be a technical question sarah joe but do you have any certain diagnoses that that came about after you

00:42:16.780 were vaccinated so i have um uticaria i have von willebrands i have um various other various other

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00:44:07.680 all right so we're coming back out of the break we have sarah doe with us she was just talking to us

00:44:20.460 about her vaccine injury before we talk with her i actually wanted to mention something that i don't

00:44:26.920 really talk about much which is that i lived in mississippi who did not have religious exemptions

00:44:32.220 for vaccines for kids in school so i was homeschooled until fifth grade and in fifth grade i was caught

00:44:39.400 up i had five shots in one day and um experienced what would be diagnosed as pots um you know as a

00:44:47.980 young person i couldn't stand without my vision blacking out i bruised easily i couldn't run in the

00:44:52.500 playground anymore i had no energy um you know i would i would frequently faint um there was a lot of

00:44:59.920 issues that i had and to explain to a kid that you know hey i was healthy and then i wasn't healthy

00:45:06.900 and um this thing happened i got this medical treatment but just because it's a vaccine all of

00:45:13.100 a sudden we we completely dismiss it right oh well that can't be that it's safe and effective well it's

00:45:18.440 not safe and effective you can look at the vaccine inserts all these um side effects are on the vaccine

00:45:22.720 inserts doctors won't tell you that but the pharmaceutical uh companies will on their product packages so

00:45:28.700 um sarah do that's my background so i know where you're coming from um i wanted to talk a little

00:45:36.440 bit about um some of your experiences so sarah shared with me that she has chronic lyme disease now

00:45:44.000 um she's been hospitalized twice um had severe kidney issues she was septic she almost died following

00:45:51.100 vaccination and um despite all these side effects you've experienced have you found

00:45:56.860 any doctors that have been able to help you in any way so no but we keep looking for one day hopefully

00:46:04.620 they can help us yeah but that would that would be amazing yeah um so tell me a little bit about

00:46:10.180 so so you then you we were caught up on shots you got in school were you ever able to finish getting

00:46:18.760 caught up um so we had to take a break because after i got all those shots my arms started having

00:46:26.460 reactions and i wasn't able to play the sports anymore because of my arms um so we had to take

00:46:32.400 a break from that and then we starting last year um i moved to a different school and the school nurse

00:46:40.720 there um uh looked at my chart and noticed that i didn't have one of the hep b vaccines but i had

00:46:48.240 two of them and i just needed one more and so she um like she told the administration and and so and 0.98

00:46:57.460 so forth and then so what did that look like you know was it a letter sent to your parents and yeah

00:47:02.140 and then you it said look you have to get the shot you can't you can't come back to school no yeah

00:47:05.960 and so knowing my mom she kept fighting and she just told the school she said i'm just going to

00:47:10.940 keep go to going to doctors and just keep getting medical exemptions until you finally accept it

00:47:16.120 and they never did right yeah so then you guys you guys um went through a court case to argue that

00:47:23.340 hey this is defying our religious beliefs or medical needs um and and so i know it's kind of tough

00:47:31.220 for you probably to to give me you know specifics on legal updates but didn't you guys win something

00:47:36.460 yes so um we made case law and we won federal court and that put me back into school um but the fight's

00:47:44.600 still not over i'm still not fully done with like being back in school they they try to put me back in

00:47:51.320 the 10th grade and my mom fought it again so they've dropped that but so what's it been like for you i

00:47:57.700 mean with friends in school and you know and yeah how how do your peers feel about it are they like

00:48:03.760 oh no no yeah so the peers don't like my peers don't really like um they're they don't really

00:48:13.120 care like they don't really know about it but some of the kids they do make fun of me but i don't let

00:48:16.860 that bother me i know that's right yeah yeah but i've been making a lot of like new friends and it's

00:48:23.340 been amazing this school year it's so amazing to be back back in school which is your right are you

00:48:28.400 in a public school yeah yeah so your family pays taxes for you to go to school yeah and they're

00:48:33.020 being denied the right to education because she's missing one vaccine which by the way is very

00:48:38.980 difficult to spread hepatitis b from one student to another um also if you have active hep b um if you

00:48:46.320 have active hep b you still can go to school okay so if you have a active hep b infection you can still

00:48:52.060 go to school but if you don't have the vaccine you you can't come here um tell me how that makes

00:48:58.160 sense um listen sarah how can people find info about your court case um which by the way children's

00:49:05.840 health defense is helping you out with right yeah so children's health defense is helping defend

00:49:10.420 sarah doe um this is part of our legal litigation part department um we're very proud to be helping

00:49:17.060 sarah doe um as much as we can um but do you know you know how can people follow you or learn more

00:49:22.960 about your story and follow along and help you in any way do you have anything do you have like

00:49:27.460 instagram i have instagram okay it's like i have tiktok instagram i don't know but i don't know if we're

00:49:34.760 allowed to give her information out um so maybe i'll make like a public account yeah maybe make a public

00:49:41.700 account or something like that um listen before we go um sarah doe i i i know that i see how you are

00:49:50.660 you are very strong young lady you are composing yourself you're not getting bogged down on the

00:49:56.480 details of like uh or playing a victim mentality but you're fighting for your future yeah um but i do

00:50:02.220 i want our guests to be able to connect with you in the way that like i'm sure they have children

00:50:07.580 um you know how can you describe what has been taken away from you why why is it that you have

00:50:15.680 to be going through this right now um if you if you could describe to me um what it's been like for

00:50:25.580 you emotionally has it been tough very tough i as soon as i got kicked out of school i didn't realize

00:50:31.420 like how bad it was to actually not be in school and just sitting in my bed every day seeing other

00:50:38.540 kids be able to go to school and not being able to go to school i wondered what's wrong with me

00:50:42.560 why can't i go to school you know and it was just that time in my life was kind of it was all blank

00:50:49.000 because i don't know and it's okay to be emotional about it it is because you deserve to be and you've

00:50:57.040 been strong for a very long time posse send her some love pray for her pray for her court case

00:51:03.560 um we want to help her as much as we can um when we take the break i'm going to give this awesome

00:51:09.660 young lady um a hug because what happened to you is discriminatory um you are not able to continue to

00:51:18.020 be vaccinated and even if you didn't want to have those vaccines at all that's no one's business you

00:51:22.060 should have been able to go to school and that is not fair to put that pressure on a 15 year old 0.88

00:51:26.820 not to call you a child but on a 15 year old child um that's absolutely ridiculous um like i said

00:51:33.820 posse pray for sarah doe send her some love um sign up for the email updates on childrenselfdefense.org 0.59

00:51:40.180 and you can probably learn more about her court case there um and yeah we'll see you guys soon

00:51:46.460 we're going to take a short break

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Bannon's War Room - November 08, 2025

Episode 4912： Live From CHD Conference 2025 Day 2

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