Bannon's War Room - November 18, 2025


Episode 4935： The New Rise Of Christianity In The West; Cold Civil War In Evangelicalism


Episode Stats

Length

58 minutes

Words per Minute

134.3548

Word Count

7,813

Sentence Count

648

Hate Speech Sentences

15


Summary

On this episode of The War Room, host STEPHEN K. BONFILLA is joined by Megan Basham and Mark Mitchell to talk about the growing influence of the "Woke" wing of the evangelical movement.


Transcript

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00:00:09.000 Because we're going medieval on these people.
00:00:12.000 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:00:17.000 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:00:19.000 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:00:20.000 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,
00:00:22.000 but you're not going to stop it.
00:00:23.000 It's going to happen.
00:00:24.000 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
00:00:27.000 Mega Media.
00:00:29.000 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:34.000 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:38.000 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:00:44.000 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Banff.
00:00:53.000 Okay, there's the establishing shot of the South Lawn,
00:00:56.000 the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, referred to as MBS, is going to arrive to a very formal arrival at the White House.
00:01:08.000 The President will be there.
00:01:09.000 Going to have meetings all day.
00:01:11.000 A bilat and our own Brian Glenn tells us that they will allow media in there.
00:01:16.000 So they'll probably be, I think, probably around noon.
00:01:19.000 So during the Charlie Kirk show, we'll get to that.
00:01:22.000 We'll be there at least for the beginning presentations.
00:01:25.000 It's going to be supposedly a 10-minute massive flyover.
00:01:28.000 So we've called some audibles today.
00:01:30.000 Some of the guests we have, we're trying to juggle and make sure we can fit them in and get all the word out.
00:01:35.000 Mark Mitchell, one of the top pollsters, head of Rasmussen, is with us.
00:01:41.000 We talked about the fourth turning.
00:01:43.000 That wasn't bad filmmaking, was it? You like that?
00:01:45.000 I'm going to watch it all.
00:01:46.000 You're going to love the film.
00:01:47.000 The film is all about the 2008 crash.
00:01:49.000 It's what really got me involved in politics.
00:01:51.000 Megan Basham joins us now, one of the top writers and analyst about the evangelical movement.
00:01:57.000 Megan, first off, I was at a meeting with you a couple weeks ago, and you kind of shocked me because I didn't know the details about how woke part of the evangelical movement is and how that's growing.
00:02:09.000 Can you describe that?
00:02:10.000 And Mark Mitchell is going to jump in.
00:02:11.000 He's got a bunch of questions for you also, ma'am.
00:02:14.000 Yeah, I think what people don't realize is there's a real divide between the ordinary evangelical in the pews going to church every Sunday and where their leadership is.
00:02:25.000 So if you look at where evangelicals are politically, they are extremely conservative.
00:02:30.000 They were Donald Trump's strongest supporters.
00:02:33.000 They've been rightly called America's most powerful voting bloc by left-wing outlets like the Atlantic.
00:02:39.000 But there's been a really strong effort over the last decade, 15 years, to try to move that all-important evangelical voting bloc to the left.
00:02:49.000 And so what you have seen is a lot of really large secular left foundations, NGOs, people like the Soros Foundation, Open Society, like Mark Zuckerberg's foundation, the Clinton Foundation, the Rockefellers,
00:03:05.000 pretty much all of the usual suspects, pouring money into these evangelical front groups to try to move evangelicals to the left.
00:03:12.000 And while it hasn't had the impact, I think, on the rank and file that they've been hoping for, it's been incredibly effective in the leadership class.
00:03:20.000 So those dangled carrots have really done their work.
00:03:23.000 So if you look at so much of the theologians, the seminary professors, they're all espousing something that's largely known as the third way,
00:03:34.000 which means that Christians shouldn't get political, we should stand outside of politics, we shouldn't align with the left or right.
00:03:40.000 But what it functionally means is we we punch right and we coddle left.
00:03:46.000 And so that's what you see from the evangelical leadership class who has gotten so involved with so many of these secular left foundations.
00:03:52.000 Hang on, just take that again.
00:03:55.000 It's called third way.
00:03:57.000 And this is really taught in the seminaries.
00:03:59.000 So explain third way again.
00:04:01.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:04:02.000 So third way, it was really I don't know if he coined the term, but it was a philosophy really promoted by the late theologian Tim Keller,
00:04:10.000 who was incredibly influential in evangelical Protestant circles.
00:04:14.000 He founded Redeemer Presbyterian in New York City.
00:04:18.000 He founded a church planting network.
00:04:20.000 And so he really became sort of the the the model and exemplar of this third way approach.
00:04:26.000 And so it's it's a method of evangelism that says in order to save lost people.
00:04:33.000 And for some reason, these idealized lost people are always progressives on the left.
00:04:39.000 What Christians need to do is not take a political position and publicly align with either the right or the left.
00:04:47.000 They should be sort of politically agnostic in order to draw people to Christ.
00:04:51.000 But what was interesting is that even though this was what someone like Tim Keller espoused, it's not what he lived,
00:04:58.000 because while he sort of famously was not very outspoken about issues like abortion or marriage or transgenderism
00:05:06.000 or the sort of things that are very clear biblically, he did take public positions opposing, for example, President Trump's border policies.
00:05:13.000 So, you know, it was a funny way of saying, well, we're going to be outside politics.
00:05:17.000 And to be outside politics means we have to show that we are willing to promote certain leftist policies.
00:05:24.000 Is that had a is that had a big impact on the evangelical movement?
00:05:28.000 I mean, is this third way this is like 20 percent, 30 percent, 40 percent?
00:05:32.000 What percentage and what percentage of the seminaries?
00:05:35.000 Because the seminaries is where it all starts.
00:05:38.000 Yeah, hugely impactful.
00:05:40.000 I would say it's been hugely effective.
00:05:42.000 So really, for the last 10, 15 years, you have seen so many of these institutions,
00:05:49.000 these evangelical institutions where your reputations are built.
00:05:54.000 People at those are the places where they're platformed and where they grow their careers
00:05:58.000 and where they become better known.
00:06:00.000 So the incentive structure from these large platforms, places like the media organization Right Now Media
00:06:06.000 that distributes sermons and church curriculum, they have almost required you to be third way or soft progressive
00:06:15.000 in order to be welcomed onto their platforms.
00:06:17.000 You also have the same thing in the seminaries.
00:06:19.000 You have the professors, you have the faculty, you have the presidents pushing this third way idea
00:06:25.000 so that this is why you see, I believe, the huge split between the ordinary evangelical
00:06:30.000 and basically between the laity and between the clergy.
00:06:34.000 So the clergy has become increasingly welcoming and compromising with progressive positions
00:06:41.000 while calling that being apolitical.
00:06:43.000 I think that's a really important thing we need to understand is under this rubric,
00:06:47.000 under this mask of we are being third way and we're not being political,
00:06:51.000 what they actually end up doing is being political towards the left.
00:06:54.000 So they will say that things like climate change is not a political issue, it's a gospel issue.
00:07:01.000 So this is how they're saying, well, we're not being political,
00:07:04.000 we're saying this is actually an important gospel issue.
00:07:07.000 But at the bottom, it's politics and it's not just politics,
00:07:10.000 it's politics that's being brought into the church by left-wing power brokers and their money.
00:07:15.000 What percentage coming out of these seminaries of evangelical preachers or evangelical pastors
00:07:26.000 are coming out of this kind of soft progressive?
00:07:30.000 Is that 10%, 20%?
00:07:32.000 No, I mean, I would say...
00:07:34.000 Yeah, I would say as many as 40%.
00:07:37.000 And what you have to understand is it's not just that if you ask the individual pastor,
00:07:43.000 are you conservative, how would you vote in light of a pro-life issue?
00:07:47.000 Or how would you vote in light of a transgender issue?
00:07:50.000 They might tell you, oh, I'm a conservative.
00:07:52.000 But the way this third way has worked is to make pastors feel that they cannot talk about those things from the pulpit.
00:07:59.000 They cannot talk about those things in interviews.
00:08:01.000 So they might even tell you, yes, I'm politically conservative.
00:08:04.000 But what they will do is, for example, the president of the Southern Baptist Convention,
00:08:11.000 which is the largest Protestant denomination in the US, he claims to be a conservative.
00:08:15.000 And yet, right now, he has a book out, Espousing the Third Way, once again.
00:08:20.000 And what he does is he says things like,
00:08:24.000 Christians must use the slogan, Black Lives Matter, because that's a gospel issue.
00:08:29.000 He advocated for things like instituting within the Southern Baptist Convention racial hiring quotas and appointee quotas.
00:08:37.000 So saying we're going to have two-thirds of all our appointees be black or minorities or women.
00:08:43.000 So this is how it works, even though these are the guys that would tell you they're conservatives.
00:08:48.000 Hang on, hang on, hang on. My head's blown up. I come from the South.
00:08:51.000 The Southern Baptists are, I thought, at least in the origin myth of the Bannard family,
00:08:56.000 the Southern Baptists are the most conservative people around.
00:08:59.000 You're telling me the Southern Baptist Convention, which is like their organization that ties the churches together.
00:09:05.000 This guy's actually a third-way guy that promotes this kind of progressive.
00:09:10.000 How did that happen? The Southern Baptists, aren't the Southern Baptists some of the most conservative,
00:09:14.000 at least biblical, religious folks that we have, ma'am?
00:09:19.000 Well, and Steve, just so you know, that is why I spent so much time.
00:09:23.000 I had a book about all of this, New York Times bestseller, Shepherds for Sale,
00:09:26.000 and I focused heavily on the Southern Baptists because people think like you do.
00:09:29.000 Wait a minute, aren't the Southern Baptists conservative?
00:09:32.000 Yeah, 30 years ago they very much were.
00:09:35.000 Now let me tell you what's happened in the meantime.
00:09:37.000 Since then, you have had, I would say, these infiltrating leaders.
00:09:42.000 And there has been a lot of them.
00:09:44.000 People like Russell Moore, who was for a period of time the head of the lobbying arm,
00:09:50.000 the policy arm of the Southern Baptist Convention.
00:09:52.000 And he's now one of the, you know, best recognized never-Trump figures in the country.
00:09:57.000 He's running Christianity Today now.
00:09:59.000 But for years these guys were organizing what you would call evangelical AstroTurf front groups.
00:10:07.000 So he was getting connected with people at the Soros Foundation, at Open Society,
00:10:13.000 getting connected with the Rockefeller Philanthropy Advisors.
00:10:16.000 So he, everywhere he goes, for example, this figure, Russell Moore,
00:10:20.000 was taking money from left-wing foundations to do things like create evangelical,
00:10:27.000 supposed evangelical grassroots campaigns for amnesty.
00:10:30.000 But hang on, hang on one second, hang on one second.
00:10:32.000 Hang on, hang on. I just want to get nomenclature right.
00:10:34.000 When you're going to the Open Society in Soros, these are not, and you see what's happened in Hungary,
00:10:39.000 these are not simply secular, these are atheistic, hardcore neo-Marxist organizations.
00:10:44.000 Right.
00:10:45.000 You're telling me that a senior member, and Russell Moore is a renowned never-Trumper, I mean hates Trump,
00:10:54.000 that while they were part of the Southern Baptist lobbying group or official part of the apparatus,
00:10:59.000 they actually approached institutions like Soros and Open Society,
00:11:04.000 people like this that are openly anti-Christian and openly atheistic, ma'am?
00:11:09.000 Yes. Well, I would say probably Soros approached them.
00:11:12.000 But yes, that's exactly what happened.
00:11:14.000 So Russell Moore, in several instances, not just one, was involved with Soros-funded organizations
00:11:22.000 like the Evangelical Immigration Table.
00:11:24.000 And he and his predecessor, Richard Land, got the Southern Baptist Convention involved with the Soros-backed groups,
00:11:32.000 also with Zuckerberg-backed groups, with Gates-backed groups.
00:11:37.000 So yes, this was happening continually over the last decade or so.
00:11:41.000 And so what you have seen is these organizations saying, for example, with Russell Moore and the ERLC,
00:11:47.000 you've seen something like the Democracy Fund, which again, Marxist, left-wing, Buddhist, Pierre Omidyar of eBay founded that NGO.
00:11:55.000 So they were funneling money into the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, that policy arm of the SBC,
00:12:01.000 to do things like study how evangelicals engage politics.
00:12:05.000 And then they produced a report saying evangelicals are too politically polarized.
00:12:11.000 So then they would send materials into churches to say, here's how you're going to make your church less politically polarized.
00:12:19.000 And what that essentially means is you, as a conservative, need to pull your punches on your biblical convictions in the public square for the cause of Christ.
00:12:29.000 So that's what's so insidious about how this works, is they're basically telling you, if you want to be a good Christian,
00:12:35.000 you need to set your politics to the side.
00:12:37.000 And not only that, you need to take up this other set of policies, things like amnesty on the border,
00:12:44.000 like cap-and-trade policies with climate change, you must take the shot.
00:12:50.000 I mean, during COVID, we saw it in high relief.
00:12:52.000 The evangelical immigration group that they stood up that were part of the Southern Baptist Convention,
00:12:58.000 I take it that they were for building the wall in mass deportations?
00:13:02.000 Was that their policy prescription?
00:13:03.000 They were not. No, no, they were for taking down that wall.
00:13:07.000 So how did they get, is that still a part of the Southern Baptist Convention, ma'am?
00:13:13.000 The evangelical immigration?
00:13:15.000 They just broke ties with them last month.
00:13:18.000 And I'm going to tell you what, Steve, it was a multi-year fight from me, from the Center for Baptist Leadership,
00:13:24.000 and others bringing attention to the fact that this money is being funneled into church institutions
00:13:29.000 in order to shift evangelicals to the left.
00:13:32.000 So we made a lot of noise, it took a lot of time, but they literally just broke ties with them last month.
00:13:38.000 Hey, Megan, can you hang on for a second? We're going to go to a short break.
00:13:42.000 We're trying to get more because we want to spend a bunch of time with you this morning.
00:13:45.000 We've got the Saudis showing up.
00:13:47.000 In fact, I want to ask about evangelicals thinking, and you've got some polling on Israel in the Middle East.
00:13:52.000 Today is a very big deal.
00:13:54.000 My understanding, and I don't want to get ahead of us here, but I don't think the Saudis have agreed to the Abraham Accord.
00:14:01.000 I think that their weapons deals and some of these economic deals, which are supposed to be contingent upon that,
00:14:07.000 I think we're going to get some rationale later about this, but I don't think they're part of the Abraham Accords.
00:14:12.000 I think they're making it pretty clear that it's contingent upon an official Palestinian state.
00:14:17.000 Now, you're going to have a semi-official one that came out of the UN Security Council meeting yesterday with the Turks.
00:14:23.000 The Muslims, the Arabs united with the United States of America on this resolution on Gaza
00:14:28.000 that basically sets up the International Security Force, which will be overseen by the Turks.
00:14:33.000 Think about that for a second.
00:14:35.000 General Allenby took Israel, freed Israel, I guess, Jerusalem 100 years ago with Lawrence of Arabia,
00:14:41.000 and now giving it back.
00:14:42.000 Drove the Ottoman Turks out, drove them out of Damascus.
00:14:45.000 Now we're giving it all back 100 years later.
00:14:48.000 A lot going on.
00:14:50.000 Official state visit.
00:14:52.000 I don't know if it actually rises to a state dinner tonight, but we'll get it all done.
00:14:56.000 Brian Glenn at the White House.
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00:36:41.880 So the lead is that 49% of all evangelicals say that they believe that the Jews are God's chosen people, but only 29% of those under 35 believe that.
00:36:56.740 So that is a really strong generational split.
00:37:00.080 And maybe another headline for that reason, I do think you're seeing Israel getting concerned about shoring up that evangelical support.
00:37:07.780 Because we also saw stories in the last week about Israel's foreign ministry planning to spend a few million dollars in promotional and PR materials for evangelicals generally to try to restore that support.
00:37:22.960 My buddy, Brad Parscale, I think Brad and the guys at Salem registered as foreign agents.
00:37:27.080 I think they're up front about it.
00:37:28.640 Right before I let you go, Megan, is that also coming out of the seminary?
00:37:32.680 And when you go to the seminaries right now, if you walked in for the faculty and the debate among the students, is that break?
00:37:38.400 Is this because it's coming out of the seminaries or is this driven by the Tucker Carlson's and Megan Kelly's and the way we talk here in the worm?
00:37:45.940 Is that coming from a secular source or is that now one of these issues that are bubbling up in these seminaries and then that's promulgated out to the flocks in these megachurches?
00:37:58.640 No, I would say this is a reverse situation.
00:38:01.040 So what you have in the seminaries and the seminary leadership is still that very strong support for Israel.
00:38:07.020 You do still have some of that dispensationalist theology.
00:38:10.840 And the split is that I would say the students are the ones who are questioning this.
00:38:15.740 So once again, you're seeing that under 35, the younger evangelicals.
00:38:19.420 So, I mean, everything you're seeing in the broader conservative landscape is happening even more strongly in the evangelical subculture.
00:38:28.400 So, I mean, it is a strong battle going on between generations.
00:38:32.800 Part of this, right, Fred, let you hear.
00:38:34.380 Part of this is about institutional rejuvenation or institutions.
00:38:37.940 You know, some people say burn it all down.
00:38:39.460 Let's build it back up.
00:38:40.600 The evangelical church, different than the mainstream Protestant and the Catholic, has never really been institution centric.
00:38:48.000 It's been Jerry Falwell.
00:38:49.500 Now, he built amazing institution that turned out to be Liberty Baptist, now Liberty University.
00:38:54.160 Pat Robertson, the same thing.
00:38:55.600 People built these institutions.
00:38:56.860 But it was always individuals building solo institutions instead of something like the Anglican Church or the Church of England or the Catholic Church.
00:39:04.860 Are you seeing this now in this fourth turning?
00:39:07.740 Are they even the institutions that have been built, the seminaries, like Wheaton College, are they under assault like so many of the mainline Protestant churches and the Catholic Church are really under assault with this institutional kind of rot?
00:39:21.560 And you're seeing young people say, hey, there's got to be major reforms.
00:39:24.200 There's got to be major changes.
00:39:26.220 Yes, that's absolutely what you're seeing.
00:39:27.960 So, you know, as we've been talking about Southern Baptist, I can tell you there has been an absolute fight for what you might call the soul of the Southern Baptist Convention.
00:39:35.700 So there is the younger, more conservative, reformed, you might call them rabble rousers who are trying to push for these reforms.
00:39:42.840 And you have the older guard who are very established in their comfortable, I would say, you know, soft, progressive, welcoming position.
00:39:52.280 They don't want to be challenged to say, hey, why aren't we doing a better job bringing our biblical values into the public square?
00:39:57.780 Why are we not standing for these things more strongly?
00:39:59.960 Why are we partnering with all of these secular left organizations who want to stifle Christians' voices in the public square?
00:40:07.660 So you are absolutely seeing that split.
00:40:10.740 And I don't think it's going to go away in any sense.
00:40:14.320 Just really quickly, if you know who Carl Truman is, he's a professor at Grove City College, a well-known Christian evangelical writer.
00:40:22.680 He did this piece lamenting just recently in First Things the fact that the younger people are no longer respecting, quote-unquote, Big Eva, meaning Big Evangelicalism, the institutions.
00:40:35.980 Instead, he says what we now see is the rise of Gig Eva.
00:40:40.480 So those are the critics.
00:40:41.860 These are the people who start blogs, who start podcasts, and they are becoming incredibly influential and gaining huge followings.
00:40:47.880 You're seeing a lot of these podcasts that are critical of the big evangelical institutions, drawing hundreds of thousands, millions of subscribers.
00:40:56.420 So I don't think it's too far to say there's a bit of a cold civil war going on right now in evangelicalism.
00:41:02.760 Wow.
00:41:03.720 Megan, extraordinary.
00:41:04.840 Where do people get particularly Shepherds for Sale, which goes into a lot of this?
00:41:08.500 Where do they get your books?
00:41:09.820 Where do they get your podcasts?
00:41:11.200 Where do they get everything about you, ma'am?
00:41:12.560 Yeah, thank you.
00:41:14.080 So you can buy my book, Shepherds for Sale, which presents all of the receipts for all of this money going to all of these evangelical institutions, how it's moving churches, how it's moving ministries.
00:41:26.360 And so you can get that at Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Target, anywhere you buy books.
00:41:31.040 And you can find me right there on X at at Meg Basham and on Twitter at at journalists or excuse me, on Instagram at at journalist Megan Basham.
00:41:40.420 And I write at Daily Wire and you can find me several times a week on our Morning Wire podcast.
00:41:46.660 Thank you, ma'am.
00:41:47.420 Appreciate you.
00:41:48.100 Great work.
00:41:48.840 Thank you.
00:41:49.460 Thanks for having me.
00:41:50.560 Thoughts.
00:41:51.720 It's about order.
00:41:53.280 These kids want to return to order and they don't care how they get it.
00:41:56.540 And I've seen wild things.
00:41:57.500 I've seen these independent atheistic streamers who are like, we need some Christianity up in here.
00:42:03.060 And you might not like some of the things Nick Fuentes says.
00:42:05.680 I think he's a troll and the stuff that he says is to get attention.
00:42:09.240 But he makes a better case for Catholic Christianity in America than most politicians do.
00:42:14.160 And so it's happening everywhere.
00:42:16.120 These institutions.
00:42:17.000 I saw the chaos that was brought in the Methodist church just recently.
00:42:23.400 And they're doing it in the Baptist church.
00:42:25.000 What do you mean on the Methodist church?
00:42:26.280 You saw that personally?
00:42:27.500 Well, they've weaponized every one of these institutions.
00:42:29.620 Presbyterian church fell.
00:42:30.720 Episcopal church fell.
00:42:31.760 The old traditional mainline Protestant churches.
00:42:34.500 So they just won in the Methodist greater conference in 2024.
00:42:39.720 And, you know, the church had to have a talk.
00:42:42.420 Congregation got together and they were kind of confused why we had this talk.
00:42:46.100 But the church had to vote on what is biblical.
00:42:48.980 You know, gay pastors, nontraditional marriage.
00:42:52.360 And everybody's like, well, like, why is this happening?
00:42:54.700 Meanwhile, if you look at the Methodist book of social doctrine, it reads like a leftist NGO political action committee, essentially.
00:43:01.580 And so they've taken an organization.
00:43:03.560 It's probably going to die.
00:43:04.960 Probably going to die out in 10 or 20 years.
00:43:06.840 You know, the final boomers who go to Methodist churches and who still are weathering this complete co-opting of this organization that was a big part of American culture for a very long time.
00:43:18.100 It's going to die. And the new institutions have to be rebuilt.
00:43:23.400 That's a foreturning.
00:43:24.640 By the way, on Nick being a troll, all I say, and I think we're trying to figure out how to play it.
00:43:29.860 You see, have you seen the Dinesh, the Alex Jones sponsored a debate between Nick Fiantis and Dinesh D'Souza about Israel?
00:43:36.920 It was a full takedown.
00:43:38.100 It was just he took him apart brick by brick because the kid, you know, it clearly studied, knew the information, brought the receipts, brought facts.
00:43:47.320 And you had the kind of old guard just wants to throw out this kind of bizarro, you know, disconnected parts of the Old Testament.
00:43:55.760 And it does it to a modern audience.
00:43:57.420 If you're going to make that argument, you've got to come in and go bang, bang, bang and make it connected to the day.
00:44:02.780 Otherwise, it just doesn't make any sense.
00:44:04.420 That's just as convoluted as when somebody in the establishment Republican Party tries to explain to you how, no, this time conservatism will win.
00:44:12.580 Same kind of thing.
00:44:13.460 Yeah, no, that's all conservative ink.
00:44:15.100 Conservative ink is not going to, you know, particularly with the facts of the day, conservative ink never won.
00:44:20.380 And in fact, any time it did, like Reagan is an outsider, as soon as he got in, it's surrounded by the Bush guys, right, trying to always tap it down.
00:44:28.180 And they just, what they ended up being is the Washington Generals to the progressives, Harlem Globetrotters, you're just there.
00:44:34.820 It's performative.
00:44:36.040 You're supposed to lose.
00:44:38.100 You're just trying to try to make it some sort of game.
00:44:41.460 Hang on for a second.
00:44:42.160 We're going to go to take, let's take a commercial break, and we're going to go to something extraordinary happening down at Real America Voice.
00:44:48.920 Wait for the break.
00:44:50.080 Yeah, no, I'm going to wait for it and come back after the break.
00:44:52.880 Thank you.
00:44:53.180 I've got a producer that's on things, wakes up every now and again, goes, hey, I got it, bro.
00:44:57.880 That's what I'm going to do.
00:44:59.140 I'm going to do a couple of reads.
00:45:00.540 After the break, we're going to go down to Real America's Voice in our Palm Beach, West Palm Beach studio.
00:45:08.160 Actually, maybe next door that we're doing it.
00:45:09.900 You may have heard the other day that the J6 Prison Choir is doing an album.
00:45:16.920 It's going to be put out, produced and put out by Real America's Voice.
00:45:20.740 We're going to put that out, I think, on the eve of or the day before, two days before, January 6th, at AmFest this year.
00:45:29.500 And unfortunately, AmFest is sold out, so we'd love to be able to get more War Room Posse tickets.
00:45:34.440 But as you can imagine, it's just absolutely sold out.
00:45:36.700 Charlie Kirk and Turning Point's AmFest.
00:45:39.520 It starts, I think, the 18th in Phoenix.
00:45:42.780 We're going to take one of these songs, the first song they're producing, which I think we're going to see part of it today.
00:45:47.300 And it's going to be released at AmFest.
00:45:49.940 So the first song is going to be AmFest.
00:45:52.260 The album is going to be on the eve of J6.
00:45:54.560 This is the J6 Prison Choir, which was so moving.
00:45:59.000 About every night they would sing.
00:46:01.800 And, of course, Cash Patel was able to work with the producers down there and get the president excited about it and put it out.
00:46:08.140 It was a massive hit.
00:46:09.920 We're going to return there in a moment and get Mark Mitchell's in the studio with him.
00:46:13.180 We want to thank Megan Basham.
00:46:14.280 And Charlie Kirk and the team, I think, are going to pick it up at noon.
00:46:18.700 But I believe you're going to see a bilat.
00:46:20.860 I think we're going to go into the Oval Office with the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia and the president of these United States.
00:46:27.240 Short commercial break.
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00:48:19.060 Even better, they're at a record.
00:48:21.920 They're at LJ's studio in Miami.
00:48:25.540 Man, how hot is that?
00:48:26.980 We're going to Miami.
00:48:27.960 LJ and Dan.
00:48:29.020 Tell us about it.
00:48:29.680 The J6 Prison Choir.
00:48:32.200 Talk to us about the album, the song.
00:48:34.020 What are we going to hear?
00:48:34.880 I've got to tell you, Rob Sigg, who's an old cable dog and started REV, one of the best guys I know in this industry.
00:48:41.540 He is so bored with cable, but he's so excited about this record label and what you guys are doing.
00:48:48.120 So, LJ, Dan, take it away.
00:48:52.120 So, no, we're totally excited about it, too.
00:48:55.500 I may be more excited about it than Rob.
00:48:57.540 But today, we are adding the orchestral instruments to the re-recorded version of Justice for All.
00:49:05.520 So, very much like what you heard while MBS was pulling up to the White House, that beautiful orchestra, we're going to be adding which instruments?
00:49:14.040 Today, we're going to have violin, cello, and viola.
00:49:18.660 They're going to be accompanying a beautiful piano part.
00:49:22.000 And we have all the J6 Choir singing behind.
00:49:26.240 And it was quite a great experience to be a part of that.
00:49:29.760 And, of course, we'll have the President's Pledge of Allegiance interpolated, just like the original.
00:49:36.680 So, you layer this in.
00:49:39.140 You've got the prison choir itself.
00:49:41.540 They do the singing.
00:49:42.700 You then bring in the orchestra.
00:49:44.780 You layer that in.
00:49:46.000 And then the last thing you layer in is the president himself?
00:49:51.800 Yeah.
00:49:52.460 Correct.
00:49:52.760 The president's vocals will probably be what we put in last.
00:49:54.280 Those vocals will come in after.
00:49:55.900 Then we do some additional production just to make it all come together, all the mixing effects, and kind of try to paint a beautiful picture.
00:50:05.100 Because we want it to sound a little different than the original, while having still a traditional classic approach with the orchestral and just the piano, as opposed to the original recording.
00:50:16.580 I mean, Steve, the sonic quality on this one is insane.
00:50:19.760 The original one was certainly a tearjerker for all of us.
00:50:25.680 Sorry, I lost my headphone there.
00:50:27.360 It was a tearjerker for all of us.
00:50:29.980 But this one is going to be more uplifting.
00:50:33.320 The reason that it was a tearjerker, you actually took that from actually the prison itself, right?
00:50:40.620 I mean, they would sing this every night.
00:50:42.800 So you took that.
00:50:45.200 But here you're going to have them as free men and women actually singing, correct?
00:50:51.340 Well, what we did, so we cut their vocals already.
00:50:54.340 So the original choir was 20 members.
00:50:58.020 About two months ago, we flew 40 individuals down.
00:51:01.660 And we recorded them in Criteria Studios, a very famous studio.
00:51:07.300 The Eagles did Hotel California there.
00:51:10.140 Bob Marley recorded there.
00:51:11.740 James Brown did I Feel Good.
00:51:13.360 You've got countless Justin Bieber albums, Justin Simberlake.
00:51:17.260 Very, very famous studio.
00:51:18.960 And they were very nice enough to accommodate us to work there.
00:51:22.160 So we brought 40 individuals there.
00:51:24.800 So now the choir has expanded from 20 to 40 because we don't have to squeeze them into one little room to capture them through a cell phone.
00:51:32.840 So the sonic quality is amazing.
00:51:35.480 Get excited because this is going to be a really, really big one.
00:51:38.800 It's going to sound much better than the original.
00:51:43.300 And I think it's time to celebrate.
00:51:47.100 You know, the work is not necessarily done for the J6ers.
00:51:50.460 I think a lot of them are still struggling.
00:51:52.460 In fact, I know a lot of them are still struggling.
00:51:55.440 But this is what's going to help them.
00:51:57.220 More music.
00:51:58.020 And I think they're using it as a way to...
00:51:59.500 What do you mean music's therapy?
00:52:01.460 What do you mean they're still struggling?
00:52:04.340 Go ahead.
00:52:05.700 What do you mean they're still struggling?
00:52:07.020 Well, I mean, Danny, you can speak to this as well.
00:52:09.540 When we were in the studio about two months ago, I had about 20 of them do spoken word and just tell us their stories about what took place in prison.
00:52:18.600 And I had not met these people in person until that day.
00:52:22.900 I had been in communication with a lot of them.
00:52:25.120 But the stories that I heard, I mean, we had the entire control room was crying.
00:52:30.140 One individual showed me his hands and his finger was going the complete opposite direction.
00:52:35.980 I said, what the hell happened?
00:52:37.600 He goes, well, the police officer stomped on my foot and they refused to fix it.
00:52:40.480 So these are the kind of stories that I don't think the American public knows and they deserve to know.
00:52:47.180 And we're going to get that out for them on January 6th.
00:52:50.180 Yeah.
00:52:50.460 And to elaborate a little bit more, you're talking about fathers, you know, hardworking Americans that were separated from their families.
00:52:58.320 And to hear their testimonies of what they went through for me as a producer was very moving and definitely, you know, was a privilege and an honor to be there to help put together the choir arrangement.
00:53:13.060 And you guys are going to enjoy it.
00:53:14.340 It sounds really good.
00:53:16.360 Where can people go and hear the music?
00:53:18.740 We've got to bounce and got to toss back to the White House because the Saudi prince is there.
00:53:22.020 Where can people go to hear this or can we hear some of it right now?
00:53:24.440 Can we hear some of it right now?
00:53:28.780 I don't think it's possible just due to the technology in the room.
00:53:33.680 Where can people go?
00:53:34.880 Where can people go to hear what you guys have put together?
00:53:38.840 Well, we've got that little sizzle that you played last week when I was on air with you.
00:53:43.960 If we had more time, I would have loved to have played you a little bit more of that and some of the rerecord of Justice for All.
00:53:50.160 But unfortunately, we don't.
00:53:52.020 But we will be capturing some more content and I would say stay tuned for on Rav socials.
00:53:56.960 We'll post it up on there.
00:53:59.240 Maybe we'll get it back this afternoon or something.
00:54:01.220 We'll check with you guys as soon as we bounce here live.
00:54:03.820 Guys, social media, LJ and Dan, where do people get you?
00:54:10.080 So on Truth Social, I'm just at LJ.
00:54:12.920 Instagram at LJ Fino.
00:54:15.480 On X, I don't have my own X account, but my record label is fclabelgroup.com.
00:54:20.400 And as I said before, just follow – by the way, we're looking for followers, Real America's Music on Instagram.
00:54:26.860 We're growing that account now.
00:54:28.980 Stay tuned with the Real America's Voice, social platforms, and then Danny.
00:54:33.960 And for the Pushers Music Group, just the Pushers.
00:54:38.440 That's our production crew.
00:54:40.300 We help a lot of conservative Christians in their productions and music across the country.
00:54:45.480 You can find us at thepushers on Instagram.
00:54:50.940 Thanks, guys.
00:54:51.620 By the way, guys, the boomer in me is going to come out.
00:54:54.100 But when you say James Brown in the Hotel California, right, with the Eagles, and then you add Justin Bieber and Justin Timberlake.
00:55:01.380 No, no, no, no.
00:55:02.160 You've got a sacred spot.
00:55:04.320 The boomer in me.
00:55:07.280 Well, you know, you've got stars from every decade that have recorded there.
00:55:11.900 Exactly.
00:55:12.500 For the young crowd who may or may not be listening, had to throw in some Bieber.
00:55:16.640 But trust me, I'm a bigger fan of the Eagles and James Brown and Bob Marley as well.
00:55:21.720 Definitely.
00:55:22.420 Bob Marley, man, amazing.
00:55:24.060 Also, the J6 Squire is going to do it.
00:55:26.720 Social media, we've got to bounce.
00:55:27.920 Mark Mitchell, thanks for being here for us.
00:55:29.360 Where do people go?
00:55:29.880 That's great.
00:55:30.640 Rasmussen underscore poll on Twitter and at Honest Pollster.
00:55:33.220 And check us out on YouTube as well, Rasmussen underscore poll.
00:55:35.860 I really want to get Megan and you together, and I want to think about doing a special with you two
00:55:39.480 and talk about where Christianity is, what the numbers show us.
00:55:43.200 We'll do a new poll.
00:55:44.580 Something, I'll work with you afterwards.
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00:55:54.560 We're going to toss it now to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:55:58.460 We'll be back at 5.
00:55:59.920 Rabbi Willicki will be in studio.
00:56:01.640 I've got cats with While Israel Slept at 6 o'clock.
00:56:05.800 Stick around today.
00:56:17.820 Okay, let's be honest.
00:56:18.780 You never thought it would get this far.
00:56:20.200 Maybe you missed the last IRS deadline or you haven't filed taxes in a while.
00:56:25.120 Let me be clear.
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