Bannon's War Room - November 26, 2025


Episode 4954： Special Session On Redistricting In Indiana;


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00:00:00.000 FBI and Justice Department officials are working to arrange interviews with six Democratic lawmakers who appeared in a video advising service members not to follow illegal orders.
00:00:13.120 The video enraged President Trump, who posted on social media last Friday that the lawmakers, all of whom have previously served in the military or U.S. intelligence, should be arrested.
00:00:26.000 He also accused them of seditious behavior punishable by death.
00:00:32.260 The four members of the House who appeared in the video, Jason Crow, Chris Deluzio, Maggie Goodlender and Chrissy Houlihan, released a joint statement yesterday accusing the president of using the FBI as a tool to intimidate or and harass members of Congress.
00:00:49.860 They also defend their actions, writing no amount of intimidation or harassment will ever stop us from doing our jobs and honoring our Constitution.
00:01:02.380 This comes as Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth is accelerating his investigation into Senator Mark Kelly, now directing the U.S. Navy to launch a review of the lawmaker.
00:01:14.500 In a memo posted to social media, Hegseth orders the Secretary of the Navy to look into what he calls, quote, potentially unlawful comments made by Kelly.
00:01:27.280 Hegseth then asked the Navy Secretary, a former businessman with no prior military experience, to report any findings by no later than December 10th.
00:01:37.500 Kelly's comments in question were, of course, part of that message to service members, reminding them of their obligation simply to refuse illegal orders.
00:01:48.500 First man, you asked, I think the most emotionally important question, I want to start with you.
00:01:56.580 I was a prosecutor in Oakland for seven years, and where justice was warranted and mercy was warranted, I showed it.
00:02:06.880 And where, you know, a stiff punishment was warranted because somebody got hurt, I saw it.
00:02:15.300 And I will not be a governor that tolerates the violence against women in our state, period.
00:02:20.440 Now, as it relates to the issue of trans kids, particularly in sports, men, in women's spaces, harassing, you said it wasn't a thing, 14 times you said it wasn't a thing.
00:02:41.100 So I need you to show all the women of California that you're going to protect us.
00:02:45.420 I'm going to protect women.
00:02:46.620 Women.
00:02:46.940 I will protect women.
00:02:49.220 No women should be harassed.
00:02:50.540 Are there going to be men allowed in the women's room anymore?
00:02:53.600 We need to know.
00:02:54.500 No woman should be harassed in a locker room.
00:02:57.380 Answer straight.
00:02:58.560 Are there going to be women?
00:02:59.720 Are you against men in women's locker rooms and sports?
00:03:03.420 That's all you need to answer.
00:03:04.940 I'm telling you.
00:03:05.740 Please.
00:03:06.240 I don't want men harassing you in women's locker rooms.
00:03:08.160 I know.
00:03:09.040 That should not happen.
00:03:09.780 It's happening all around America.
00:03:11.400 There are 45 women and there are 45 men in the women's prisons right now, raping them, picking them out like chicken.
00:03:18.320 The trans men are not women and they're raping women.
00:03:23.040 So I don't care if you're on the Democrat side, the Republican side.
00:03:25.960 We need to be on the women's side, people.
00:03:28.200 It's happening to our girls.
00:03:29.760 It's happening to our women.
00:03:31.120 And I'm here to let everyone know that this is happening.
00:03:34.780 Open your eyes.
00:03:35.680 If you want to be governor, I have millions of people behind me, black people, who they're using our civil rights to push this s**t.
00:03:43.840 If you want to be the governor, you need to do something about it because I promise you this, I will not be the last to see of Tish Heine.
00:03:49.760 Okay?
00:03:50.780 Thank you.
00:03:51.140 I want to be the president.
00:03:51.600 I'm the trans king of taxes.
00:03:52.280 All right.
00:03:52.820 I want to hand back to him.
00:03:53.780 You're right handsome, by the way.
00:03:55.060 You're bad.
00:03:55.540 You're right handsome.
00:03:56.020 There are no trans kids, there are just children. Stop transforming children. No one can make
00:04:09.960 a decision that young. When I was 12, I would have transformed. It's wrong, it's wrong, it's abuse.
00:04:18.280 Don't trans children. It's abuse. Trans kids. There's no such thing. There's only men and women. Use your brain. Stop with this malarkey.
00:04:29.000 Jonathan, just to unpack this briefly, the reason that these six members of Congress felt that it was appropriate, maybe necessary, to briefly remind members of the military that they should not obey illegal orders
00:04:45.400 is because the Trump administration, Secretary Hegseth, back in February, essentially moved to neuter the legal advice at the Pentagon that commanders depend on.
00:05:01.560 They fired the top three judge adjutant generals who had the military lawyer group, which had the effect of intimidating all of the lawyers in the Pentagon.
00:05:14.120 So there was nobody left to say to a commander who asked for legal advice, I believe that order is illegal.
00:05:22.040 I believe that, you know, you need to look carefully at that general or admiral. Those people are gone.
00:05:28.240 So quite properly to me, these members of Congress who have extensive, you know, admirable military service,
00:05:38.040 said that the simplest thing possible, which is people in the military swear an oath to the Constitution, not to a president.
00:05:47.320 And they have an obligation not to obey orders that are illegal.
00:05:52.340 There were no lawyers left to give them that advice at the Pentagon.
00:05:55.560 If there had been, I'm sure they wouldn't have made the statement.
00:05:57.920 So that's what lies in the background of this.
00:06:01.120 And I think simple truth is people in the military owe thanks to lawmakers who care enough about proper functioning in the military to speak out and say,
00:06:14.920 you don't obey illegal orders, which is simple.
00:06:17.280 The idea that that somehow is seditious, reminding people of what the Constitution says is sedition.
00:06:23.860 How do we get to that?
00:06:25.060 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:06:32.800 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
00:06:38.020 Here's the time I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:06:42.280 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:06:44.180 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:06:45.620 I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
00:06:48.320 It's going to happen.
00:06:49.580 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
00:06:52.980 Mega Media.
00:06:53.900 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:06:59.820 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:07:03.520 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:07:09.900 War Room.
00:07:10.740 Here's your host, Stephen K.
00:07:12.820 Bannon.
00:07:13.140 It's Wednesday, 26th, November, year of early, 2025, the eve of Thanksgiving.
00:07:23.240 Always one of our favorite shows today, this morning and this afternoon.
00:07:28.580 You saw the weakness of David Ignatius.
00:07:31.380 That's complete spin and complete lies.
00:07:35.540 People don't look to the judge of Africa general on this stuff.
00:07:38.800 It's ridiculous.
00:07:39.860 They're intruding in the chain of command.
00:07:42.000 Kelly, we've got to stop messing around.
00:07:43.440 Kelly's got to be recalled.
00:07:45.040 We don't need to wait until 10 December, Pete.
00:07:47.560 It's pretty obvious what he did.
00:07:48.980 Just recall him to active duty and let's start.
00:07:50.800 Let's convene a court-martial.
00:07:52.440 Let's roll.
00:07:53.120 Let's show these guys that we're serious about this.
00:07:55.400 You don't need to the 10th.
00:07:56.660 It's way too long.
00:07:57.540 Just do it today.
00:07:59.340 Do it today.
00:08:00.240 We don't need the Secretary of Navy involved.
00:08:02.220 The Secretary of War should just do it.
00:08:03.640 Convene a court-recalling to active duty today
00:08:06.900 and convene a court-martial that, I don't know, sits on Monday.
00:08:13.160 What you guys see, Tish Hyman right there is standing up.
00:08:16.840 Slawwell speaks like a politician.
00:08:19.360 Ignatius, who is the comms department of the CIA,
00:08:21.720 we'll get to more of that, of Langley.
00:08:24.120 Works for the Langley Bugle, heretofore called the Washington Post.
00:08:27.460 You know, all that mumbo-jumbo, you know, that spin.
00:08:30.540 No, these are very – just look at it clear.
00:08:32.240 See what you see.
00:08:33.900 Tish Hyman calling out Slawwell.
00:08:36.960 Just incredible.
00:08:37.900 You know, Slawwell is now going to run for governor of California.
00:08:42.000 I've got to tell you, I think Tish Hyman ought to throw her hat in the ring.
00:08:44.880 So, Dave Bratt, we've got a lot to get through,
00:08:49.380 particularly this incredible leak by the Central Intelligence Agency on Steve Whitcoff.
00:08:57.520 We'll get to that in a moment.
00:08:59.240 Your sense of where we are, Dave, you've got too much mumbo-jumbo
00:09:02.520 and not enough action.
00:09:04.720 There's so many clear ways we can take action.
00:09:07.040 Degrassi is going to join us in a minute.
00:09:08.360 I think Indiana's getting the word on the redistricting.
00:09:12.440 You know, we've got filibuster.
00:09:13.980 We have recess appointments.
00:09:15.520 We've got – we have the redistricting.
00:09:18.340 We've got fights all over the place.
00:09:19.780 And now it's time to have – we've got to look very clear at what's going on.
00:09:22.840 Clarity and action are the coin of the realm right now, sir.
00:09:28.300 Yeah, the clarity, action, and morality.
00:09:31.240 Today we celebrate and give thanks to God tomorrow, Thanksgiving,
00:09:34.860 for all the bounty and peace of this country.
00:09:38.620 And so perhaps people aren't even aware of the basic numbers, right?
00:09:41.880 We lost 58,000 American patriots in Vietnam.
00:09:45.800 There's a million to two million dead boys, dead and injured boys,
00:09:49.980 a million to two million.
00:09:52.180 And these CIA deep state people have the nerve to try and spin this thing
00:09:57.760 to preserve war, to preserve their own power of the deep state.
00:10:00.980 And this is what we're talking about, right?
00:10:02.640 I don't want to get ahead of my skis,
00:10:04.180 but if we get a detente with Russia and then we get peace with Russia
00:10:08.160 and then we get, you know, some relationship with Russia
00:10:11.480 and then, you know, God forbid, from the deep state's point of view,
00:10:15.940 we become friends with Russia, a massive, you know,
00:10:20.660 mineral rich country that's Christian.
00:10:25.240 That ends the deep state, right?
00:10:27.460 A detente and a friendship between the United States and Russia
00:10:30.280 in the long run, right?
00:10:31.460 No one likes the murders.
00:10:33.320 No one's saying we, you know, we're buddies
00:10:35.440 and everything's fine with Putin.
00:10:37.600 But we know the history of this thing, right?
00:10:39.380 We, the U.S., did a coup d'etat in 14 on Ukraine.
00:10:43.300 That's never discussed anymore.
00:10:45.560 We've moved, you know, after James Baker III promised
00:10:48.200 we won't move one more inch to the east
00:10:50.620 after Gorbachev's goodwill.
00:10:52.720 We said, no, we're not going to move to the east.
00:10:55.580 We're going to, you know, we're going to basically honor the status quo.
00:10:59.140 17 countries later, Ukraine is the last buffer zone left, right?
00:11:04.900 And so it's just obvious, right?
00:11:07.240 Mearsheimer and you four years ago, doesn't matter how many years ago,
00:11:10.640 there is no way, right?
00:11:13.100 When we're proclaiming a Monroe Doctrine and security requirements
00:11:17.300 for the defense of our hemispheric defense,
00:11:21.120 that you're going to, you know, put weapon systems
00:11:23.620 and U.S. and NATO troops on the border of Russia,
00:11:28.020 you've got to be kidding me, right?
00:11:30.400 The Russian people can be our friends.
00:11:32.600 They have been our allies in the past.
00:11:35.240 The deep state wants war, right?
00:11:37.080 They want perpetual war to maintain their power.
00:11:39.280 They also don't, okay, okay, they also don't want two Christian entities,
00:11:43.320 the United States of America,
00:11:44.480 and they don't want the United States of America
00:11:45.620 to proclaim themselves a Christian nation,
00:11:47.700 and they don't want us to partner with another deeply Christian nation,
00:11:52.160 Orthodox Christianity, Russia.
00:11:54.240 And don't get me wrong, the KGB are bad hombres, right?
00:11:56.700 But we got bad hombres, we got people as bad as the KGB
00:11:59.740 trying to run the deal here.
00:12:01.360 Let's be blunt about that.
00:12:02.340 The CIA and what these guys are doing, it's sick.
00:12:04.840 What they did to Witkoff and to try to break this thing up,
00:12:07.460 they all should be arrested.
00:12:08.460 We should be kicking down doors, okay, and rolling people up.
00:12:13.380 Those six, the seditious six, I don't know why we went to December 10th.
00:12:16.880 It's pretty simple what they did.
00:12:19.080 Just look at it.
00:12:19.800 Recall Kelly.
00:12:20.440 You want to send a shockwave to D.C.?
00:12:23.040 They're going to be cute.
00:12:24.220 They're going to be cute and get in the middle of the chain of command for Trump.
00:12:26.700 You're going to be cute.
00:12:27.800 Like President Trump says, no games, no games.
00:12:29.980 So here's no games.
00:12:31.040 Recall Kelly today.
00:12:32.900 And let's, in fact, tell the flag officers no long Thanksgiving weekend.
00:12:38.520 Friday you're going to convene a court-martial for him.
00:12:41.000 And let's roll and let's get a verdict by Sunday.
00:12:43.160 And let's go to Leavenworth and throw him in prison by Monday.
00:12:47.120 Let's just roll.
00:12:47.900 This is very simple.
00:12:48.820 And then the other five are going to wet themselves and then start rolling them up.
00:12:53.200 This is what has to happen.
00:12:54.240 This thing on the CIA is outrageous.
00:12:55.820 Like, here's the plan.
00:12:57.780 The plan is you have a devoutly Christian nation in Russia who was our ally.
00:13:02.940 Let me remind people.
00:13:03.780 They were our true ally in World War II.
00:13:06.460 They lost 25 million people, soldiers, fighting the Wehrmacht.
00:13:11.660 It would have taken us 10, 15 years.
00:13:14.020 And who knows if we'd even do it with just the United Kingdom and the United States.
00:13:17.840 Everybody else surrendered.
00:13:19.000 The French surrendered.
00:13:20.260 The Spanish were on their side, claimed neutrality.
00:13:23.660 The Italians were on their side.
00:13:24.900 Half of Eastern Europe was on their side.
00:13:27.080 All of the Norwegians, the Swedes, all of those guys were on their side.
00:13:32.120 All of them on the side of the Nazis, okay?
00:13:34.480 NATO today, all the leadership didn't lift a finger except for the Poles that helped us out when and where they could.
00:13:42.020 So remember, we're going against our traditional ally.
00:13:45.600 Oh, by the way, the guys that stopped the Ottoman Turks, stopped Napoleon, stopped Hitler.
00:13:50.120 Just a couple, three off the top of my head.
00:13:53.080 I think I want to be in business with those guys.
00:13:54.620 Not these feckless, hapless, atheistic, who are being overrun by Islam.
00:13:59.360 They can't sell a 30-year bond right now.
00:14:01.640 You know why they can't sell a 30-year bond?
00:14:03.260 They can't sell a 30-year bond because nobody knows who's going to be in charge in 30 years.
00:14:08.260 And maybe the Muslims don't want to be charged interest, so they're going to stiff you on the payment.
00:14:14.120 Those countries are collapsing in front of us.
00:14:18.160 They have nothing.
00:14:19.780 And we're supposed to kowtow to them?
00:14:21.560 No.
00:14:22.140 It's ridiculous.
00:14:23.460 It's time now to look, see what we see, and start taking action, action, action.
00:14:28.580 Recall Kelly today.
00:14:29.980 He's a tough guy.
00:14:31.200 He's going on, what is it, Jimmy Kimmel or Colbert, one of the shows last night, talking more smack?
00:14:34.920 Pete, you're Secretary of Frickin' War.
00:14:38.180 Recall this guy today, and let's convene a court-martial Friday morning, 0800, and then have him in Leavenworth, 0800 on Monday morning.
00:14:50.000 Short break.
00:14:50.860 Alex DeGrasse.
00:14:51.640 We've got a lot of things we're going to punch through today in the war room.
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00:17:32.460 Dave Bratt, you have some other.
00:17:34.280 I was, Bratt, you've gotten rusty, bro.
00:17:37.100 You, you, you and Natalie hosted this show and hosted with Navarro and Bess and all these
00:17:41.300 guys.
00:17:41.700 But now that I'm back, you're not grabbing the mic.
00:17:44.040 When I go on a roll, just grab it back, man.
00:17:45.760 You're in the war room.
00:17:46.600 I'm not going to give it up freely.
00:17:47.960 So what do you got for us?
00:17:49.520 Yeah, no, when you rip off all your historical stuff, I don't want to be interrupting.
00:17:53.720 I just added a few footnotes to the, to the, to the Don of Oxford there.
00:18:00.060 But yeah, on Thanksgiving also, you know, I went over to Ukraine.
00:18:03.940 They wanted us to take their side.
00:18:06.300 I explained to the, I met with the leaders, the Jewish leaders, the Ukrainian leaders,
00:18:11.800 the Catholic leaders, the heads of all the churches there.
00:18:14.460 And I said, of course, we love you, right?
00:18:16.380 We love the people.
00:18:17.460 They're all, they're mainly Orthodox Christian.
00:18:20.520 And they know exactly what's going on there.
00:18:22.840 They know we are using them as a chess piece.
00:18:26.340 And it's just grotesque.
00:18:27.800 And so on Thanksgiving and every day, remember, we need to pray for peace.
00:18:32.060 And we need to pray for the Ukrainians.
00:18:34.420 They're just being used by this deep state apparatus.
00:18:38.840 And as you said, the CIA piece and our state department for years and years and years, it's
00:18:43.960 coming to an end.
00:18:44.760 It's coming to an end.
00:18:45.460 The young people, I'm staying with some young people upstairs in Atlanta, and they really
00:18:49.660 give you some hope.
00:18:50.460 At Liberty, I got young people.
00:18:51.760 They're hitting the new media.
00:18:53.640 They're finding out the truth, what's going on in this world.
00:18:57.500 And they are not happy that they've been abused as well by this same group of power mongers.
00:19:03.660 Can you imagine, right, the $17 trillion we spent on war over the last couple decades,
00:19:09.500 if that was put into U.S. cities?
00:19:11.820 And then you have the left and these, you know, seditious six that say we're moderates.
00:19:17.520 You know, these people are not moderates.
00:19:19.060 They've all voted 95% with Pelosi+.
00:19:21.400 They all vote for war.
00:19:22.680 They vote for the $7 trillion budget, the $2 trillion deficits.
00:19:26.260 They vote for the border invasion.
00:19:28.020 No work on that.
00:19:29.260 And then they say they're moderates.
00:19:31.060 And we can't get the message out.
00:19:32.640 The Republican Party needs to be taken to task big time.
00:19:36.700 The fact that there's no messaging and no legislation coming out of the House or Senate
00:19:40.700 on these issues, because that's one way, other than Trump, Trump's the only megaphone
00:19:45.820 that's effective.
00:19:46.600 But we need all of this out.
00:19:48.700 It's on purpose, because they don't want the mega agenda.
00:19:51.740 They talk mega, but they don't act mega.
00:19:53.940 They're just cruising along.
00:19:56.040 They see Trump as a passing summer storm.
00:19:58.920 They don't care if they win the House, lose the House.
00:20:00.900 A bunch of them are going to quit.
00:20:01.980 If they lose the House, fine.
00:20:03.400 Trump gets impeached.
00:20:04.480 You get rid of Trump, you get rid of mega quicker.
00:20:06.380 These are acts of commission, not omission.
00:20:10.700 They're purposely doing nothing.
00:20:12.340 I call it the Duma to mock them, not because I want it to be the Duma, but they're obviously
00:20:18.040 not doing anything to support President Trump.
00:20:21.160 And they're glazing him when they come, oh, we're Trump, we're Trump.
00:20:24.800 But just look at the action.
00:20:25.680 There's no action taken.
00:20:27.120 We can't even get Bosberg.
00:20:28.560 We can't even start the process to get Bosberg impeached.
00:20:32.380 It has to be the Warren Posse and Article 3 and all that.
00:20:35.560 So the Republican Party, I mean, Tucker said it last night.
00:20:39.140 They're just a shell on themselves, but they are very crafty and cunning in that they're
00:20:43.660 waiting and they're just tapping Trump along.
00:20:45.440 They're tapping MAGA along.
00:20:47.180 And somehow President Trump still plays along with it.
00:20:49.440 I think we're coming to a point in time he's going to see, he's going to become very clear
00:20:53.740 that they're just tapping him along.
00:20:55.320 And then when Trump pivots, it's going to be a whole different deal.
00:21:00.160 So hang on for a second, hang on for a second.
00:21:02.280 I got it.
00:21:02.620 No, because I'm going to give you a perfect example.
00:21:04.360 We got Alex de Gras, you know, off.
00:21:06.420 He's back home with the in-laws trying to spend a peaceful Thanksgiving.
00:21:09.560 He's got Bannon yelling at him.
00:21:11.420 Indiana.
00:21:12.300 Now, out of nowhere.
00:21:13.220 And this is another example of the Republican establishment.
00:21:15.620 All of a sudden, they don't want to do redistricting, right?
00:21:17.460 It was hard enough before, but now they're actually, they're tougher to move than the Democrats.
00:21:22.340 So what's happened in Indiana?
00:21:23.900 Is this true, Alex, that they actually are going to call everybody back, I guess, for a special
00:21:28.420 session in a couple of weeks, sir?
00:21:31.300 Yeah, so it's huge, Steve.
00:21:32.400 So last we spoke, we were sort of on the ropes.
00:21:35.200 Obviously, there was a lot of reverse movement against us on this effort.
00:21:38.480 I know the posse was out there grinding.
00:21:39.980 And we've got to obviously run through the tape.
00:21:41.840 But the House is convening, and we've got the votes 9-0 out of the State House.
00:21:46.020 That's going to happen next week.
00:21:47.220 And then the following week, the State Senate reversed course.
00:21:50.760 And now they're planning on bringing people back together.
00:21:53.160 Of course, they're not publicly confirming whether they've got the votes or not.
00:21:56.660 But of course, I don't know if they think that they would be, you know, going back on
00:22:01.400 canceling and then doing it back if they don't have the vote.
00:22:03.940 So, but we've got to pressure.
00:22:05.940 That's the key focal point is that State Senate, we've got to keep the pressure up, positive
00:22:10.100 reinforcement.
00:22:11.280 I mean, obviously, the president threatened the primary of them.
00:22:13.380 I'm sure that's what is driving this, to be frank about it.
00:22:16.760 But this is real serious, because if we're talking 9-0, we're not talking 8-1 as of right
00:22:20.480 now.
00:22:20.660 So we've got to keep that going, because that's the two seats that we need.
00:22:23.400 And it's huge, obviously.
00:22:26.720 Do you have a sense that we're getting now more people focus?
00:22:31.160 I know in Virginia, and I've been talking to John Fredericks nonstop, because John knows
00:22:34.300 Virginia better than anybody about, they seem to be just leaning on their shovels, waiting
00:22:38.380 for this.
00:22:39.040 Hopefully, the courts to bail them out on this monumental referendum they're going to have
00:22:43.760 in April about whether they go 10-1 from 6-5.
00:22:47.420 But do you get a sense around the country that the message getting out there, that President
00:22:51.380 Trump is now very engaged in this, and this is something that's a must-do, not a nice
00:22:55.880 to have, but a must-have, sir?
00:22:59.020 Yeah, I do, Steve.
00:22:59.620 I think that because of the Democrat escalations, of course, it's one thing when it's sort of
00:23:04.000 a distant problem, and people are happy-happy, and they live in their nice Republican state.
00:23:08.080 But hey, word's out.
00:23:09.240 The knives are out.
00:23:10.220 They've got their bayonets.
00:23:11.240 They're sharp.
00:23:11.780 And the Democrats are running full force at this thing.
00:23:14.720 And we stand to lose seats in some of these states, which I spoke about, right?
00:23:19.080 So now the game is on.
00:23:20.100 There's literally no excuse for any Republican, anyone that calls himself a Republican, from
00:23:24.340 not manning the ramparts and pushing this thing, not just back, but forward, of course,
00:23:28.400 Steve.
00:23:28.680 So in those key states, and I feel optimistic about the Supreme Court on VRA.
00:23:33.560 Florida, I know, is going to come in big.
00:23:35.280 And so if we keep the pressure up, we're looking at those 10 seats, of course.
00:23:39.520 But a lot of sort of unknowns on litigation, whether it be Virginia, Utah, some other folks.
00:23:45.780 New York as well.
00:23:46.600 They're looking to steal a seat in Staten Island.
00:23:49.380 So look, this is the activist show.
00:23:52.160 It's the reason it's so powerful is because of this audience.
00:23:54.780 We're breaking it down in kind of the critical path.
00:23:57.640 Clearly, in President Trump, I think you're seeing pivoting, best in pivoting.
00:24:00.940 There's people, there's talking in the White House, not just messaging, but additional
00:24:04.560 action is going to be taken.
00:24:05.760 Thinking of 26, thinking of 28.
00:24:08.140 But in the process of doing that, the redistricting wars have to be won now.
00:24:13.740 You've got to get in the trenches.
00:24:15.020 Just like if Alex de Grasse hadn't come to the war room in 21 and started talking about
00:24:20.240 how Florida was going, you know, was going to just leave.
00:24:23.300 The legislature was just going to leave and no changes.
00:24:25.700 We wouldn't have gotten those, I think, 8 in the 10 pickup that we hold the House by today.
00:24:30.720 Let's be blunt about it.
00:24:32.580 The same thing has to happen here.
00:24:34.100 I don't want anybody to get their eyes off and start thinking downrange at 26.
00:24:37.800 Right now, you've got to think, get in the trenches.
00:24:40.120 We've got to win these redistricting wars.
00:24:41.860 They're the highest party because they set the predicate for what the battlefield is going
00:24:46.080 to be coming up in 26.
00:24:47.940 And obviously, President Trump and his people are getting, the folks are going to be getting
00:24:51.120 a real action plan to hit this, which I think you agree, Alex, we need to do.
00:24:56.600 I'll let you go.
00:24:57.340 I want to thank you.
00:24:57.920 I just want to get here for this.
00:24:59.360 People could hear that Indiana, they'll say there's some movement, and particularly the
00:25:02.740 House, Senate is going to come back.
00:25:04.600 Alex, where do people go to follow you?
00:25:06.300 Because you're kind of the social media account where people go for breaking news on all this.
00:25:10.220 Yeah, Steve, I think it was a huge group effort with the posse, obviously the last go around
00:25:15.240 redistricting, of course.
00:25:16.560 And then I'm at Degrassi, but let me just say something quick, Steve, because an Emerson
00:25:20.340 poll just popped out in Tennessee's special election.
00:25:22.880 So if you're in the posse there, get out, get your list, get five people, because they've
00:25:27.160 got that down by two points.
00:25:29.240 Republicans up by two points in a seat that President Trump won by 22 points, according
00:25:33.840 to an independent poll that just released in the last hour.
00:25:36.620 And so that's no joke here, guys.
00:25:38.660 I mean, Dems, Kamala was just on the ground there.
00:25:40.620 So you've got to lock in on Tennessee.
00:25:42.280 You've got to get out to vote.
00:25:44.080 Talk to us about that district.
00:25:46.140 That's a controversial one.
00:25:48.180 The candidate runs a Democrat.
00:25:49.740 You know, she hates Nashville.
00:25:50.940 She hates country music.
00:25:52.380 But besides that, she's perfect as a congressman from there.
00:25:56.040 Give us a minute on that, because you're right.
00:25:57.660 This is on Tuesday.
00:25:58.600 I think early voting's already stopped.
00:26:01.480 Tuesday's the election.
00:26:02.360 And if the Democrats are able to pick this one up, they will be banging the drum.
00:26:07.560 You'll get sick of listening to them.
00:26:09.740 So this is one we've got to win.
00:26:11.000 Like you said, President Trump, it was a blowout.
00:26:12.700 I mean, it's 22 points as, you know, Tennessee is as maggie as you can get.
00:26:17.340 But the reality is this thing's tightened up, particularly they've been throwing money,
00:26:20.440 and they've brought every big person down there.
00:26:24.040 Once again, just give us a quick synopsis of it before you punch.
00:26:28.180 Yeah, I mean, the big thing, Steve, is like Democrats have gone all in, right?
00:26:33.000 This is turnout, right?
00:26:34.340 Special election.
00:26:35.140 People are out living their lives.
00:26:36.300 Our people are doing the holiday.
00:26:37.560 Our people work.
00:26:38.440 You know, our people are just not, but I mean, our people, not the posse, but sort of the
00:26:42.300 wider, you know, average Republican voter, right?
00:26:44.920 Their guys are locked in.
00:26:46.040 They are really manically focused on doing all they can.
00:26:49.800 If we let this one slip up, the implications going into the midterms are a disaster, because
00:26:55.160 you're going to see Democrat money flood in like you can imagine.
00:26:57.540 They will expand the map.
00:26:58.820 They will flood in.
00:27:00.400 This thing will start slipping away from us, despite even the redistricting war.
00:27:03.600 I'll be frank about that.
00:27:04.480 So this is critical.
00:27:06.360 It's critical output.
00:27:07.240 It's the number one thing right now.
00:27:08.260 If you're in Tennessee, if you're out, if you're not even in Tennessee, there's lots
00:27:10.820 of ways to get involved.
00:27:11.720 I'll throw it up on my socials.
00:27:13.220 You got to dig in.
00:27:13.920 We got to get everyone out.
00:27:14.720 If you know people in there, of course, the Democrats are total lunatic.
00:27:17.740 Who's ever going to appear with Kamala Harris is obviously psychotic.
00:27:21.280 But that's what we're dealing with, of course, Steve.
00:27:23.100 So it's no joke.
00:27:24.200 Nothing should take anything for granted.
00:27:25.500 You can't take anything for granted nowadays, redistricting anything, special elections
00:27:30.040 next fall.
00:27:32.580 Nothing can be taken for granted.
00:27:34.100 One more time.
00:27:34.860 What's your social media?
00:27:37.060 At Degrass, 81 on X, Truth Getter.
00:27:39.660 Appreciate it, Steve.
00:27:40.500 Good to see you as well, Dave.
00:27:41.600 Thank you, brother.
00:27:42.440 Happy Thanksgiving.
00:27:43.280 Thank you, sir.
00:27:44.300 The great Alex Degrass.
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00:29:07.980 Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.
00:29:11.440 Dave Brett, you got some ideas about the big money that's going to be pouring in here
00:29:16.440 on the Democratic side.
00:29:18.500 What do you got for us?
00:29:20.100 Yeah, well, DeGrasse had it all right.
00:29:22.540 And in addition to that problem, right, the Republican leadership only pays attention to
00:29:27.400 money, right?
00:29:28.680 And it's very notable.
00:29:30.340 After COVID, CEOs, conservatives wouldn't dare speak a word in public.
00:29:36.240 Still, about 70% of the Fortune 500 CEOs are on the Democrat and left.
00:29:42.740 All of the magnificent seven, right?
00:29:45.340 The trillionaire class is all Democrat or on the left.
00:29:48.840 Elon's an exception there.
00:29:51.560 But the major point here is Republicans are Cub Scouts, as usual.
00:29:55.940 We don't put any heat on these firms.
00:29:58.180 They know they can oppose us on Obamacare, health care, subsidies, pharmaceutical costs.
00:30:03.260 And the Republicans will be like, OK, but could you give us a little bit?
00:30:07.320 You know, and the Democrats, if you oppose their agenda, you get crushed.
00:30:12.760 And one sentence out of place as a CEO, and you're on the evening news, and you're a crush,
00:30:17.900 and your earnings are crushed.
00:30:18.900 Because they're Bolsheviks, and we're wimps.
00:30:23.080 Let's be honest.
00:30:23.880 I mean, we have the MAGA.
00:30:25.600 You've got the Warren Posse.
00:30:26.720 But the RINOs and the Republican establishment and the think tanks and the conservative Inc.
00:30:31.300 media, they're all wimps.
00:30:32.760 They're not going to attack anybody because they want to still be in the club.
00:30:35.400 They want to be part of that 20%.
00:30:36.780 They want to be 20% that can go hang out on Wall Street and do that.
00:30:39.800 That's where that doesn't happen.
00:30:41.260 Yeah.
00:30:41.480 It's quite obvious.
00:30:42.320 And real quick, I just wanted to add, it's not only money, but the Republican leadership
00:30:47.520 won't give conservatives any bills, right?
00:30:50.300 You don't get a bill.
00:30:51.340 You don't get to put in a bill.
00:30:52.460 People think it's like the eighth grade.
00:30:54.220 You don't get a bill unless the speaker says you get a bill.
00:30:56.780 You don't get any money from your own Republican teammates.
00:30:59.860 If you vote Republican, you don't get any money.
00:31:02.640 And just as a cautionary tale, right?
00:31:04.600 The Republicans were in on redistricting me, so I would lose my seat.
00:31:09.420 A Democrat took over in the old school days.
00:31:11.460 They thought you'd win, right?
00:31:13.400 We'll just wait two years.
00:31:14.700 We'll put our guy in, right, that wants to spend money and bankrupt the kids.
00:31:18.540 It didn't work too good.
00:31:19.460 Now that person is the governor of Virginia, and she gets her ducks in a row and is really
00:31:24.840 leftist.
00:31:25.440 And she'll end up in a VP slot or something.
00:31:28.620 If she wins the 10, by the way, if she goes 10-1 from the 6-5, she's going to be a Newsom's
00:31:32.860 VP.
00:31:33.520 Wait for it.
00:31:34.340 Dave Hanger for one second.
00:31:35.640 I'm going to come right back to you.
00:31:39.200 So the lead story, we love the Federalist.
00:31:41.480 Sean Davis is about the lead story on the Federalist.
00:31:44.200 The Pilgrims were ethno-nationalists.
00:31:46.960 I'm going to talk to the writer and hopefully get him on the evening show.
00:31:49.960 Best headline of the day.
00:31:51.220 But we got Joy Pullman on here for an incredible article.
00:31:55.440 We're going to go back to the War Department.
00:31:57.720 Joy, I'm going to read the headline, Exclusive, War Department Battles Internal Resistance to
00:32:04.260 Reinstate 86 Soldiers Ejected by COVID Shot Mandate.
00:32:10.920 Man, please tell me that's wrong.
00:32:12.560 Please tell me that now that Pete said Secretary of War and President Trump's the Commander-in-Chief,
00:32:17.340 how do we still have these heroes that said they weren't going to be vaxxed?
00:32:22.240 How are they not reinstated?
00:32:23.860 And how are we allowing internal resistance, ma'am?
00:32:27.620 Well, I do think, you know, the Trump team may have underestimated the amount of bureaucracy
00:32:32.500 that they would have to fight and the dug-in nature of them.
00:32:35.820 But I just want to kind of go back and do a quick timeline here.
00:32:38.780 So, you know, President Trump comes into office in January.
00:32:42.780 One of his very early executive orders says, anyone who left the military, the service over
00:32:48.400 the COVID shot mandate, you get to come back in with full back pay, with full benefits,
00:32:52.900 with basically making you as whole as possibly can be.
00:32:56.820 And, you know, that wasn't happening.
00:32:58.720 So that in April, you know, Defense Secretary, or War Secretary Pete Hegseth had to issue kind
00:33:04.140 of a directive saying, hey, get on this.
00:33:06.000 Basically, nothing was happening at that point.
00:33:08.760 And then we got all the way to September, August, September, and the numbers come out.
00:33:12.940 And only 13 of, and my calculation, according to sources who paid attention to this, pretty
00:33:18.900 much all of the 95,000 people who depleted the military during the Biden years, leading
00:33:24.140 to the greatest, you know, personnel crisis in military history, as well as, you know, people
00:33:30.500 pointed out to me, the most ethical people in the military leaving over this, because they
00:33:34.860 are the ones who have the strongest conscience.
00:33:37.480 You know, so we depleted, Biden really, really undermined not only our military, but really
00:33:42.100 the ethical, the character quality of the people inside the military, deeply depleted
00:33:46.940 for a generation, you know.
00:33:49.800 And so, but so the numbers came out that out of the, about those 95,000 people who, you
00:33:55.380 know, most of them didn't say they were leaving over the COVID shot mandate.
00:33:57.960 They took an early retirement.
00:33:59.160 They didn't re-up if they could, because they were, saw that their, you know, their colleagues,
00:34:03.900 the, were getting punished, you know, for, for, for saying, yes, I, I want an exemption.
00:34:09.500 You know, please give me my constitutional conscience rights and give me this exemption.
00:34:13.860 So 13 out of those 95,000 had gotten through the reinstatement process in September.
00:34:21.200 And, and so, you know, basically that called for another, really moving around some personnel.
00:34:26.560 So really, I think, you know, the, Pete Hegseth, his team, Undersecretary Tony Tata, he was
00:34:32.960 appointed to that position.
00:34:34.560 He finally got through, you know, we have a Republican Congress and they didn't confirm
00:34:37.860 him until the end of July, right?
00:34:40.080 So he wasn't able to be put onto this until September.
00:34:42.380 So he immediately started meeting with people who had been trying to get back into the military
00:34:46.800 and were having resistance from the service branches.
00:34:49.820 You know, the same people who drum these people out of service are the ones now tasked with
00:34:54.220 putting them back in, right?
00:34:55.180 So that process is going exactly as you would expect.
00:34:58.280 So throughout September, October, and now November, you know, the Hegseth team has moved
00:35:02.980 people who used to be on the outs, who had been pushed out of the military over this mandate.
00:35:07.540 Now they've reinstated them and put them in charge of not only accelerating the process
00:35:11.940 of increasing the reinstatements, but also doing a full investigation of the COVID years and
00:35:17.600 looking for people.
00:35:19.160 And because one of the questions that I asked Undersecretary Tata is, you know, look, there's
00:35:22.700 people who have had very clear orders directly from the commander-in-chief, the president,
00:35:26.300 you know, from their boss, Pete Hegseth, and they have not been moving on very clear direct
00:35:30.800 orders about what to do with the situation.
00:35:32.800 How are you going to hold those people accountable?
00:35:34.880 And he said, we are going to be doing an investigation and they'll make recommendations to us, naming the
00:35:39.800 names and telling us the actions that they had done that may have been illegal under the Constitution,
00:35:45.560 and with that refusal and that pressure against these wonderful heroes who really stood for
00:35:50.900 every American's constitutional rights to live out our conscience and our beliefs and
00:35:55.900 speak and act with freedom in the United States of America.
00:35:59.400 Joy, I just want to go back to something you said that was very important.
00:36:01.660 I want to make sure you don't bury the lead.
00:36:03.200 And I thank you for doing a timeline.
00:36:05.020 The audience loves timelines.
00:36:06.540 This is one of the first things that President Trump did, right?
00:36:10.500 Among the very first, when we were days of thunder and flaying the zone, this was something
00:36:14.760 he had run on.
00:36:15.620 It was something that upset him.
00:36:17.340 And remember, he drove the whole program to get the vaccine, but he was adamantly opposed
00:36:22.140 to forcing anybody to have to take it.
00:36:24.140 He was adamantly opposed to that.
00:36:25.500 He made this a priority.
00:36:26.560 I mean, President Trump, because he's got the way of the world, he's trying to stop wars,
00:36:30.260 build the economy, stop the invasion of the southern border.
00:36:33.500 When he signs that executive order, he thinks it's done.
00:36:36.440 He thinks somebody's executing that.
00:36:38.400 And what's shocking here, it's one of the very first things he does.
00:36:41.280 It's super high priority.
00:36:42.600 And here we are in November, and now we have 95,000 out.
00:36:46.920 We're talking about 67 or 80.
00:36:49.000 And oh, by the way, they're going to have to start an investigation because the resistance
00:36:52.440 has just told the commander in chief to go screw himself.
00:36:55.520 Am I correct, ma'am?
00:36:56.540 Exactly.
00:36:57.440 No, you're absolutely right about it.
00:36:58.860 And it's just what you said earlier in the show talking about the Republicans, right?
00:37:02.680 The bureaucrats have this mindset of, we'll just wait them out.
00:37:05.840 These are people who essentially have government syndicates for life.
00:37:09.340 So I have sources who are talking to me about some of the people who are the roadblocks
00:37:13.820 to this.
00:37:14.540 One of them, my name in this story, Stephanie Miller.
00:37:16.800 She's a deputy assistant undersec.
00:37:18.280 She's in charge of all the promotions within the military.
00:37:20.900 Under Obama, she was his military-wide diversity and inclusion director, right?
00:37:26.580 So that's the lady who's in control of exceptions, which is people's promotions, this whole process
00:37:32.400 of being reinstatemented from the COVID.
00:37:33.960 And I think that, obviously, she can be reassigned, but firing her, she is under the civil service
00:37:40.260 protections.
00:37:41.060 So very difficult to impossible.
00:37:43.480 And that's one of the things that if we had a Republican Congress that wasn't a pile of
00:37:47.480 crap, that actually used their power on behalf of their voters, we wouldn't have those civil
00:37:52.080 service protections.
00:37:53.160 And people who literally are insurrectionists defying the orders of the elected government
00:37:58.880 over them, who is their constitutional and legal supervisor to give them commands, those
00:38:03.740 people could be fired immediately.
00:38:04.940 And right now, they have to kind of play this song and dance and put very high-level personnel
00:38:09.240 on it just to move a few people through the process because the corruption within the
00:38:14.440 Department of War is so deep and so difficult to get rid of because of that slow civil service
00:38:19.240 and other sort of bureaucratic problems that they have there.
00:38:22.480 But you've come to the same conclusion, and you cover this every day.
00:38:25.340 You've come to the same conclusion we have, that the apparatus, not just the deep state,
00:38:29.980 but the administrative state on top of it, is just saying, hey, Trump's a passing summer
00:38:33.920 storm.
00:38:34.720 We're going to hunker down, give a couple inches of what they need to keep us from getting
00:38:39.040 terminated or coming in here with a blowtorch and just wait this guy out and wait his team
00:38:43.400 out?
00:38:45.200 Exactly.
00:38:45.900 And I mean, we're talking about people who have had 30, 40 years in the military, right?
00:38:50.400 You know, Stephanie Miller, she was given an award under President Biden that gave her
00:38:55.180 multiple tens of thousands of dollars in additional pay above her very high current
00:39:00.000 level, right?
00:39:00.740 So these are people who basically are making a very, very good living for themselves.
00:39:04.580 She's married, by the way, to a defense industry and pharmaceutical industry lobbyist.
00:39:09.660 So her family, her personal finances benefit from the COVID shot mandate, right?
00:39:15.320 You know, so, you know, the companies paying her husband made billions upon billions of
00:39:21.860 dollars from forcing all of the soldiers to get this mandate in violation of our Constitution.
00:39:26.600 So she's, you know, she's just one example.
00:39:28.880 There are thousands, you know, the military is the biggest employer in the country, tens
00:39:32.380 of thousands of people like her, not just in the military, but throughout the federal
00:39:35.640 government.
00:39:36.040 It is a swamp and dealing with this problem.
00:39:39.160 I mean, I wish Congress would get in on the action, you know, because this really needs
00:39:43.980 to be put a bead on and it needs to be taken care of.
00:39:46.320 And what's the point of having power if you don't do anything with it?
00:39:50.300 Joy, what is your social media and your coordinates?
00:39:52.460 Where do people track your writings and what you're putting up on Twitter?
00:39:56.820 Well, the best place to go is just, you know, search my name on the Federalist, Joy Pullman,
00:40:00.300 the Federalist, my author archive there.
00:40:02.060 But I'm also on X at Joy Pullman, two L's, two N's.
00:40:08.260 Joy, thank you so much for taking time away.
00:40:10.540 I know you're back home for Thanksgiving holiday.
00:40:13.140 Thanks for taking time to join us today.
00:40:14.620 Very powerful story and very powerful hit right here.
00:40:17.420 We'll make sure everybody's on it.
00:40:18.760 So thank you, ma'am.
00:40:20.040 Well, thank you from the Midwest and all the farmers here who love your show.
00:40:24.600 Thank you, ma'am.
00:40:25.340 Love those guys too.
00:40:26.740 The men and women, the heartland of our country.
00:40:30.060 Joe Allen, we want to make sure that those folks are the ones that are taken care of when
00:40:34.320 we talk about artificial intelligence.
00:40:36.000 I'm not feeling it.
00:40:37.000 I'm feeling a jobs apocalypse coming everywhere.
00:40:40.300 What do you got for us today?
00:40:41.400 A lot of things happening in politics.
00:40:42.720 A lot of things with this executive order.
00:40:44.500 We got a couple of minutes here and then the whole next segment is yours.
00:40:47.760 What do you got for us this morning, sir?
00:40:50.560 Well, big announcement, Steve.
00:40:52.380 Two former congressmen, Chris Stewart and Brad Carson, have launched a pro-human pack.
00:41:00.020 It's called Public First.
00:41:01.760 You can find the info at publicfirst.us.
00:41:05.040 Their goal is to take on the influence of people like Greg Brockman, Mark Andreessen, Joe Lonsdale and their super PAC leading the future.
00:41:16.820 They have roughly $100 million right now to cede to candidates who are pushing the big tech agenda.
00:41:26.600 Public First has got a goal of $50 million.
00:41:29.960 Maybe they'll hit $100 million.
00:41:31.060 But one way or the other, they want to support candidates who are willing to stand up against big tech and are willing to stand up for just sensible regulations and guardrails put on AI.
00:41:45.040 And when was this announced and how big is it?
00:41:50.580 It was announced yesterday and depending on how much support they can get and what candidates are willing to stand up, it could be enormous.
00:41:58.000 This entire fight right now over the moratorium being snuck into the NDAA or the supposed draft of the EO to do much the same.
00:42:10.760 What they want to do is ensure that states have the right and the flexibility to craft their own laws.
00:42:18.500 They want to see sensible child protection laws put in place.
00:42:22.480 And, of course, on our side of this, they want to see strong export controls for chips going to China and other rivals.
00:42:33.020 Hopefully, they'll support candidates that are willing to cut China off entirely on this.
00:42:38.060 It's very important to understand the money that's flowing in this.
00:42:46.140 The money is enormous in this fight, particularly in the moratorium.
00:42:50.060 And we can't be bought off.
00:42:51.260 What they're going to try to do is buy us off of some intellectual property.
00:42:54.000 Oh, we'll pay for the conservatives' intellectual property.
00:42:55.820 No, no, no, no, no, no.
00:42:56.660 That's not what we're talking about.
00:42:58.840 You've got more regulations on nail salons on Capitol Hill than you have on the Frontier Labs.
00:43:04.320 Short break.
00:43:04.860 We're going to actually have someone that's traveled the world talking about Patriot Mobile in a little while,
00:43:17.460 hopefully in this segment or maybe at the top of the hour.
00:43:19.500 But Patriot Mobile, 972 Patriot.
00:43:23.160 Remember, this is a group that supports, you know, they give a couple of million dollars a year minimum
00:43:28.180 just to support some of these small groups fighting for Second Amendment, First Amendment, religious freedom to back.
00:43:34.460 They believe in what you believe in, and the work they've done in Texas is unbelievable.
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00:43:50.580 And they've got the Black Friday special.
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00:43:54.420 Talk to those folks today.
00:43:55.520 They'll give you all the details on their Black Friday special.
00:43:59.820 I think it's the new Samsung.
00:44:01.460 Let's go check it out today.
00:44:02.920 972 Patriot.
00:44:04.720 Glenn Sturgeon team.
00:44:05.500 Can't get better than those guys.
00:44:07.960 Joe Allen.
00:44:08.620 We have the moratorium.
00:44:09.760 They're trying to slip this thing back into the NDAA.
00:44:12.780 Remember, it's a big, beautiful bill.
00:44:14.060 So they take a 9,000-page document that is a must-pass, like NDAA, the National Defense Authorization,
00:44:20.720 and they want to slip the moratorium in there.
00:44:22.280 That essentially gives the Berligarchs and the Frontier Labs total ability to do anything they want, anytime they want,
00:44:28.780 with no looking over their shoulder, no saying, hey, you know, we got to, and you, we had the, you know,
00:44:34.360 Megan Garcia on her horrible story about her son who committed suicide that was led on by one of these chatbots.
00:44:42.260 And the team at Google that was spun out to the new company knew exactly what they were doing.
00:44:46.700 And so these people are some of the worst people on earth.
00:44:49.920 They're amoral.
00:44:51.280 And right now they're totally in charge.
00:44:53.300 I'm not so sure the answer is having states do 50 different, you know, state requirements.
00:44:57.680 But this is a forcing function to make people come to the table to have some, you know, some logical, some logical regulations here.
00:45:05.820 What they don't want, what Ted Cruz and this crowd wants is they just run like total free birders, and that can't happen.
00:45:12.060 Then you had the executive order, which I understand has put the National Labs, which were so central to the nuclear weapons,
00:45:18.040 because these guys have been yelling they want to control them ever since Deep Sea came along.
00:45:21.400 You put them in a whole-of-government approach, right, to make sure that we're at the cutting edge of pushing AI technology.
00:45:28.740 I understand that.
00:45:29.420 But two things.
00:45:30.000 Number one, you must deal with what we're doing with the Chinese Communist Party.
00:45:34.180 We are building their AI.
00:45:35.960 They may have a couple of scientists and technologists that are great, but we're building it.
00:45:40.000 We're selling them the chips.
00:45:40.980 And the chips, you know, Jason, or Jensen Wong, he's an arms dealer.
00:45:44.660 He's like Khashoggi.
00:45:45.860 These things right now are weapons just like the nuclear weapons were weapons, advanced AI.
00:45:50.300 He's an arms dealer.
00:45:51.460 He'll sell to anybody.
00:45:52.300 Remember, he's all, we don't care if China gets it, it's going to be fine.
00:45:55.520 If a Chinese company wins, it's going to be fine.
00:45:57.440 No, dude, that's not how Americans think.
00:46:00.060 That may be how you think because you're an agent of influence for the Chinese Communist Party and an arms dealer.
00:46:05.440 But that's not how normal people in this country think, so that's not going to happen.
00:46:09.040 Also, in this executive order, we're going to have to talk about the financing.
00:46:13.500 You're going to have to talk about the data centers, who's going to finance it, how it's going to be financed, where they're going to go.
00:46:18.140 We're going to have it in every small town in America, and what are the American people going to own?
00:46:23.020 Because I think in the 90-day analysis they do for the national labs or weapons labs working with AI and how this works out,
00:46:31.420 which is a major effort like the Mercury program, right, like the space program or like the Marshall program,
00:46:37.840 one of these whole of government, a whole of society.
00:46:40.980 At some point in time, you've got to be thinking about, well, hang on, hang on.
00:46:43.820 How does this thing get carved up?
00:46:46.100 Do we just let a handful of these guys have companies that are worth a trillion dollars,
00:46:49.320 and the average American who's on the hook is the full faith and credit of the United States
00:46:53.420 and are paying the taxes to pay for the weapons lab?
00:46:57.140 They get nothing?
00:46:58.180 That's just not how it works.
00:46:59.920 If you're going to finance things, you're going to have to get a taste.
00:47:03.560 Now, you're going to see how patriotic they are.
00:47:06.460 When you mention that, hey, some of your equity has got to come to taxpayers in this country, citizens,
00:47:11.420 you'll see how red, white, and blue this crowd is, right?
00:47:14.920 They will scream, holy hell, before they give you anything, right,
00:47:19.660 because they're the most selfish, narcissistic, evil people on earth.
00:47:23.820 Joe Allen, this is your beat.
00:47:26.180 What do you got for me here?
00:47:28.600 Well, on the note of the moratorium, it's unclear what angle they're going to take,
00:47:33.660 but they're not going to stop.
00:47:35.960 There's two major contradictions at the heart of this.
00:47:38.740 The first is the push to make America first in AI, the golden age that we're promised.
00:47:46.920 Well, simultaneously, you have people like David Sachs supporting chip exports to China.
00:47:52.300 So if it's America first in AI, why would you supply your most important rival, China,
00:47:59.860 with the hardware and capability of keeping up with you?
00:48:03.660 Some would say that David Sachs would say, oh, well, that's because it will keep China dependent
00:48:08.860 on our technology.
00:48:10.480 Well, they don't really have any other options.
00:48:13.260 They only have U.S. hardware for the next few years.
00:48:17.220 So if we're really intent on staying ahead of them, we don't want, we have no reason really at all
00:48:22.960 to give them any leg up.
00:48:25.300 I think that if anything, if you were to take a cynical point of view,
00:48:29.300 what that does is it keeps our rival moving ahead.
00:48:33.120 And so it provides a justification to keep the U.S. moving ahead to create powerful AI systems
00:48:39.420 and to deploy them across every sector from the military down to the government,
00:48:44.160 to corporations, to schools, even churches.
00:48:47.240 And then on the social level to have people basically addicted to everything from goon bots
00:48:52.860 to groom bots provided by XAI and Meta and others.
00:48:56.800 And there's no real safety standard or guardrails put in place at all.
00:49:02.520 You know, they talk all the time.
00:49:03.600 We need one federal standard.
00:49:05.700 They don't have a clearly articulated list of federal standards that they're offering in place of this.
00:49:12.620 You have Josh Hawley pushing forward child protection legislation at the national level.
00:49:17.400 You have Josh Hawley pushing forward AI risk assessment legislation at the national level.
00:49:22.600 But none of that is assured of going through anytime soon.
00:49:26.460 States have the ability right now to put in regulations that can move much more quickly than the federal standards.
00:49:36.020 And they are doing so.
00:49:37.240 You see it in Utah.
00:49:38.380 You see it in California.
00:49:39.620 You see it in Ted Cruz's Texas.
00:49:41.860 You see it in New York.
00:49:42.780 Everywhere.
00:49:43.260 States are acting and the moratorium would block that entirely, not to benefit the American people who need AI.
00:49:51.020 We haven't needed it for the last quarter million years.
00:49:53.420 It's to benefit the people producing and deploying it.
00:49:57.800 No, there's a lot of a lot of work to be done here, but it has to be done now.
00:50:02.420 I realize we'd have other things we want to focus on.
00:50:04.320 You can't.
00:50:04.740 This is one of the things that's the most important because it's going to be the direction of the country.
00:50:09.120 I don't know for the next 50 years.
00:50:10.840 So the Warren Posse's voice has to be heard and will be heard.
00:50:15.700 But we've got some tough pick and shovel work to do, and we'll develop this, obviously, next week.
00:50:20.900 Mike Davis is going to join us on Monday.
00:50:22.820 There's a whole plan laid out.
00:50:24.640 This is a huge, huge, massive issue.
00:50:27.900 Joe Allen, where can people get you, particularly over the holiday weekend, to get your insights in all of this?
00:50:32.780 Go to at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z on social media or JoeBot.X-Y-Z.
00:50:41.140 And, Steve, on the note of the Genesis mission, I think the religious symbolism of calling it Genesis and the resonance.
00:50:50.280 Yeah, we'll get into that.
00:50:51.860 I'll tell you what, we'll get into that maybe tonight.
00:50:53.760 We've got to take a short commercial break.
00:50:55.220 Laura Luma next.
00:50:56.120 Genesis mission.
00:50:57.320 I'll tap you again tonight, Joe.
00:50:58.660 How's that?
00:50:59.460 Short break.
00:51:00.040 Short break.
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