Bannon's War Room - Episode 4966： Empathy The New Battleground Against The Church

00:00:00.000 this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going to

00:00:10.440 medieval on these people here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people

00:00:17.040 the people have had a belly full of it I know you don't like hearing that I know you've tried

00:00:21.060 to do everything in the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen

00:00:24.240 and where do people like that go to share the big line mega media I wish in my soul I wish that any

00:00:32.220 of these people had a conscience ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that

00:00:38.960 answer is to save my country this country will be saved war room here's your host Stephen K.

00:00:47.540 back it's Tuesday to December in the year of our Lord 2025 big day a cabinet meeting at the White

00:00:58.180 House 1130 press briefing at the Pentagon with our team of correspondents there led by Jack

00:01:02.860 Posobiec at 11 we'll dip in and out of that we've got a lot going on turning points going to join us

00:01:09.140 about what's happening in Indiana on on Friday but I want to turn first to Matt Van Epps the combat

00:01:16.000 veteran army combat veteran that is running in Tennessee 7 it's game day Matt uh tell us what

00:01:21.720 we got to do deploy your resources here sir yes sir Steve thank you so much sir for having me on

00:01:27.660 election day here in Tennessee 7th congressional district I need everybody to get out and vote

00:01:32.900 we are we are up we had a great early voting result but we're not up by a lot and we need to win this

00:01:39.340 and that happens when everybody gets out and votes today every Republican every freedom-loving

00:01:44.940 American in the Tennessee 7th congressional district polls are open now they close at 7 p.m.

00:01:51.240 if you're in line by 7 p.m. you can vote they've got to let you vote and uh just asking everyone to

00:01:57.720 get out we need you today this is too important of an election we were I was on with President Trump

00:02:03.300 last night on a tele-rally with tens of thousands of callers and he was underscoring how important this

00:02:10.180 election is for the direction that we want to move the country so I need everybody today and I'm so so

00:02:15.660 grateful to be on with you today that in fact it was important enough the Speaker of the House spent

00:02:21.220 yesterday with you going around rally after rally correct yes sir Speaker Johnson was with me all day

00:02:28.960 yesterday we went to at least 10 events uh we did uh rally in the morning a rally in the evening he was

00:02:36.680 on the tele-rally as well and um and it's just the outpouring of support the momentum is real uh we we

00:02:44.320 are up but we're going to stay up when when people get up and and go and vote and listen it's a little

00:02:50.420 cold out today here uh but it's not raining you just got to bundle up be safe make a plan make a plan

00:02:57.440 to go at lunchtime or after work I just I need your vote your vote might be the one that that decides

00:03:04.880 this election and it decides the direction we're going to move this country and that's an America

00:03:09.140 first direction Matt uh where do people go if they want more information do you have your campaign

00:03:14.800 website they can go to get more information about polling time all of that my website is

00:03:20.740 mattfortn.com that's matt m-a-t-t-f-o-r-t-n dot com mattfortn.com it has all the information that

00:03:31.140 you'd need your polling location links to the Tennessee Secretary of State website with election

00:03:37.180 information more information about our campaign uh please go to mattfortn.com if you need information

00:03:44.120 and uh I just ask for your vote and your support today it's what's going to matter to get this thing

00:03:49.380 done Matt what's your social media you have a lot of fans here in the war room posse that want to

00:03:54.500 help but they want to follow you throughout the day where they go absolutely our facebook and uh

00:04:00.460 x twitter is is mattfortn um we we've got um a whole lot of information that we're we're pushing

00:04:08.500 out there too uh our our instagram is mattfortn.com uh so mattfortn on on facebook and and x and mattfortn.com

00:04:18.020 uh we're pushing a whole lot of content videos would ask everybody to please share those like

00:04:24.220 those um retweet them just get get them out as much as possible that the momentum that we've built

00:04:31.580 from the primary through yesterday to today is real and that's because of of your followers and

00:04:38.060 listeners and people across this district who love Tennessee who love America who love freedom

00:04:42.820 and uh just need need them today okay folks you've got your marching orders be a force multiplier

00:04:48.880 today for matt van epps in tennessee seven it's a must win matt with your shield or on your shield

00:04:55.060 we'll talk to you in the afternoon show sir yes sir thank you so much have a wonderful day

00:04:59.640 thank you brother matt van epps combat veteran on multiple tours uh a great guy it's a must win

00:05:07.340 so let's be force multipliers today with the content and anybody in tennessee seven if you need

00:05:14.140 assistance uh let you know go to the site uh make sure you get out there and take everybody on your

00:05:18.780 list with you let's pivot now to indiana we've got garrett uh galaweski from the national enterprise

00:05:26.780 director for turning point uh action garrett talk to me for a second about indiana what's happening on

00:05:34.360 friday why why is turning point now decided to have a show of force out there on this redistricting

00:05:40.480 effort sir hey steve good to be on here again uh yeah so right now indiana is really at the epicenter

00:05:48.480 i said last week that they're the last line of defense in putting republicans in the best possible

00:05:54.520 position to win back the house of representatives to retain the house of representatives next year and so

00:06:00.700 right now indiana has a 7-2 uh republican majority on the congressional map we have an opportunity now

00:06:07.420 with the new map the proposed map is out and it carves out what we believe is a fair representation

00:06:13.060 of indiana that is now 9-0 on the congressional front there's the map right there uh knowing how

00:06:19.480 conservative leaning the indianapolis suburbs are we believe this is the best possible map so on monday

00:06:25.620 the state senate is going to be voting on this the state senate is overwhelmingly controlled by

00:06:31.960 republicans yet there are still republicans who are in in some cases trump plus 20 districts who do not

00:06:39.460 want to vote in favor of this map for a whole plethora of reasons some of those actually are kind of

00:06:47.940 personal i mean how is turning point you're going to have the rally want to get into that but you guys

00:06:52.120 you know charlie kirk built a uh a massive operation but part of it is you were very savvy

00:06:58.140 about what to focus on what do you think the issues are in indiana that i can't understand why we don't

00:07:03.900 go 9-0 when you see what the democrats are doing around the nation on these gerrymandered like in

00:07:08.280 new england 25 nothing uh california illegally but it's going to be 48 to 4 uh what what do you say

00:07:15.100 to people in indiana what does turning point say to say hey you got to get focused on this this is a

00:07:19.820 national issue yeah i mean the bottom line is if we lose the house next year democrats are going to

00:07:27.440 make it extremely difficult on the trump administration to do anything they're going to put

00:07:31.280 up massive roadblocks they're going to force out a lot of things that'll make us go majorly backwards

00:07:38.680 they'll oppose everything a decontrolled house could easily vote to impeach trump and tie him up in

00:07:44.480 impeachment proceedings oh and by the way because this doesn't go our way in indiana let's just say

00:07:49.760 that that happens all of this will make gavin newsom look like a hero among the democrat party

00:07:55.220 because he rewrites history then at that point with the california redistricting plan that had a

00:07:59.940 chain effect then on even hard red states giving power back to the dems and laying the groundwork for

00:08:06.040 and here's a scary thought for him to potentially become president in 2028 so that's the messaging that

00:08:11.520 we're putting on the table in indiana that this is very much a local issue that has now turned into

00:08:15.960 a national issue with huge implications that could make or break our ability to compete in 2028 and for

00:08:23.040 these republicans that are opposing this it's for petty reasons it's for tyranny reasons and it's for

00:08:29.780 self-righteousness reasons i mean one republican said to one of our activists yesterday on the phone

00:08:34.300 that republicans should win on policy when literally next door in illinois the left has taken advantage of

00:08:41.340 democrat controlled everything to manipulate the maps leftist states go hard in the paint on this

00:08:46.440 stuff conservative states should do the same thing and indiana is about as conservative as any other

00:08:51.300 hard red state that exists out there like wyoming or alabama outside of 2008 i mean you're talking

00:08:57.300 about a hard conservative state there is no reason a 90 map should not pass no the hoosiers are the

00:09:04.540 hoosiers are mega uh talk to me about friday what do you intend to do what time is it going to be

00:09:09.420 where is it going to be how do people get tickets walk me through why a rally why turning points known

00:09:15.160 for turning out the troops why did you decide to do it on friday at the state capitol well so friday

00:09:20.780 is the last day that the house is able to take this up we believe that it'll be settled by then

00:09:26.500 but then the following monday is going to be the first day that the state senate will then have this

00:09:31.540 on the floor and vote on it so we want to send a message to them we want this to be the kind of final

00:09:36.100 crescendo here where we send that punch to the state senators who might be on the fence about this

00:09:42.260 uh to say hey the grassroots the people who have worked really hard to elect you and the republican

00:09:47.560 base that you crawled out of the woodwork to vote for you they don't want this they want you to

00:09:52.420 support the president and so we're going to rally everyone together at the state capitol we're hoping

00:09:56.820 we can get hundreds of patriots out there we actually just confirmed yesterday so this is a little

00:10:01.160 bit of breaking news that we're going to have governor mike braun there and lieutenant governor

00:10:05.260 micah beckwith so that'll be huge to have them lock arms and be part of this and really what we're

00:10:10.760 hoping this creates is kind of that flare signal to the rest of the conservative movement that we

00:10:16.360 don't want to just lay down and die in here in indiana you're starting to see the mike pence people

00:10:21.720 and the hardcore radical leftists kind of lock arms together on twitter they're starting to go after

00:10:27.160 some really good conservative activists and including myself i even had one online account

00:10:31.980 comment my home address on my tweet so we as mega conservatives are definitely over the target here

00:10:37.800 they're definitely upset that we're having the event there and that's a good thing that means that we 0.99

00:10:43.460 could potentially be in the right spot at the right time to make this happen you actually got uh you

00:10:50.180 got doxxed so they're going to send swat teams out to you is that what they intend to do

00:10:55.440 yeah yeah i uh i had to call my wife back at home and be like hey um this might be happening but yeah

00:11:02.520 i mean this is crazy it was within 24 hours of me appearing on your show last weekend that the

00:11:07.660 pence republicans and the hardcore leftists kind of came together it was the uni party at its finest

00:11:12.760 and that told me that you know i'm over the target when you're over the target you become the target

00:11:16.820 this is something we fought with alex degrasse and the team in 2001 to pick up i think eight seats

00:11:23.120 is this something that young people are understanding that this is all a preamble this is all part of

00:11:28.760 the process this is a preamble to the midterms and this is read this redistricting fights are going

00:11:33.400 to be going on for a while but you you have to win them it's like getting into the college football

00:11:37.800 playoffs there's certain games you have to win that are young people becoming aware of that

00:11:42.140 garrett yeah yeah they're understanding the long-term effects here it's chess not checkers and

00:11:48.120 for a generation that really embraces the idea of authenticity they're seeing right through the

00:11:53.600 reason the rationale behind some of these senators not supporting the president i mean we only briefly

00:11:58.360 touched on this over the weekend but one senator mike boacek said he's voting no to president trump's

00:12:03.860 redistricting plan because he doesn't particularly like the names that president trump was calling tim

00:12:08.680 waltz during the election i mean petty stuff like this and we're even hearing that party leaders

00:12:13.840 high up republican party leaders in the indiana gop are refusing to speak out on this because new

00:12:20.600 district lines could mean that they won't be able to sit on the state central committee anymore

00:12:25.640 for the gop that's how absurd this has gotten and young people are seeing right through it so we're

00:12:31.680 hoping to have a huge wave of young people show up to this we have some fantastic turning point

00:12:36.760 chapter leaders in indiana that are being vocal about this that are spreading the message evangelizing

00:12:42.060 other young people to understand the importance of what's at stake here

00:12:45.140 garrett one more time where do people go to participate on on friday and where they go to

00:12:51.020 get more information about turning point and what you guys are working on over there yes we would love

00:12:56.300 to have every freedom fighting patriot in indiana and everywhere within an earshot of indiana i'm in

00:13:02.300 cincinnati right now it's only about a two-hour drive so if you're in even western ohio and you feel

00:13:07.320 called to participate in this please do uh it's tpaction.com slash rally indiana our event our rally

00:13:14.980 our all-in for indiana event is friday december 5th at noon in the capitol rotunda it's inside you

00:13:21.740 won't have to worry about freezing to death we're gonna have governor mike braun there we're gonna have

00:13:25.860 lieutenant governor micah beckwith we're gonna have some awesome other speakers as well some really

00:13:30.100 young bright elected officials in indiana that are fighting on the front lines and we want you there

00:13:35.020 to tpaction.com slash rally indiana garrett what is your uh what's your personal social media

00:13:41.940 coordinates yes follow me on twitter uh b gals wi i call wisconsin home thank you brother appreciate

00:13:49.580 you thanks great team charlie kirk incredible incredible team over at turning point and andrew and

00:13:57.760 the guys doing a great job eric uh andrew tyler all of them this friday in indiana nothing can be

00:14:06.760 hired dave bratz with me uh megan basham interesting piece in uh axios about empathies being turned

00:14:15.420 against christians are used as a wedge issue to divide christians we're gonna get to all that we're

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00:14:26.900 capitol hill following the artificial intelligence amnesty proposal today he's there with the uh

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00:16:55.080 everybody if grace and mo would be uh and elizabeth be kind enough to put out in all the different

00:17:00.420 platforms i think we're like on 10 now different chats etc make sure first multiplier first off for

00:17:05.980 van epps also if you're in the district uh you know if you need help get into the poll go to his

00:17:12.560 website get somebody get your list let's get out this is big today we won this one by 22 and let's

00:17:18.720 say we're not up by 22 right now for a host of reasons we can debate that afterwards today it's all

00:17:24.140 about victory uh and then of course the republican establishment he just had garrett lay it out right

00:17:30.800 as these young people starting to see the way the world works right the republican establishment

00:17:34.360 coming against maggot coming against trump in indiana and they're going to go hold one of

00:17:38.840 these classic turning point rallies bratt your thoughts on both of those

00:17:42.400 yeah well i i think it's important what what you just said the numbers gap uh right it's not just

00:17:50.620 politics it's a it's a confidence thing if if the republicans all get out and the christians and the

00:17:56.620 church all get out uh we win these races by large margins and that sends very good news and good

00:18:03.440 messaging across the country uh that this is what is possible for conservatives if you want to see

00:18:09.180 what's at stake right voting is a privilege uh it's a right it's a duty god god uh wants us to

00:18:16.380 participate uh in the civil realm uh to ensure justice uh go out to fox news right now you got a choice

00:18:23.100 between god no god at the university of oklahoma not that far away kind of down in the god belt

00:18:28.500 uh where uh students given an f a zero out of 25 for mentioning god in an essay uh with no guardrails

00:18:35.580 attached uh you know no no no requirements of the essay the the gal just writes a nice essay 1.00

00:18:41.100 kind of kind of kind of in the god belt oklahoma is the god belt what are you doing it can happen

00:18:47.020 at the university of oklahoma this is not brown this is not brown university or one of the more radical

00:18:52.820 of the i'm not berkeley um that's outrageous talk to me about indiana how important i think young

00:18:58.540 people are awakening to the fact that politics is tough it's a dirty game it's a hard game this

00:19:04.900 audience knows it because you put your people would rather spend their time on other stuff i understand

00:19:08.600 we'd rather spend our time on other stuff but you got to get down the trenches this is the way you win

00:19:13.500 this is the way you get guys like trump into office why is redistricting so big and why is it

00:19:18.560 important the turning point really the apparatus of the youth vote in our country why is it important

00:19:24.500 that there engages anybody well just empirically you know turning point uh was uh responsible for

00:19:33.060 the young folks showing out and for the trump victory uh and so again uh the turning point the

00:19:38.360 young people right now right the young men and women uh the 20 year olds 25 year olds uh they're kind

00:19:44.720 of the prophetic voice out there right now right they're they're uh you know you got megan bashing

00:19:49.220 come up she's uh similar uh they're calling uh calling it like they see it they they know uh what

00:19:56.120 this uh biden inflation did to them they know about to get in a house uh at the age of 40 years old

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00:20:45.900 so proud when we have people on here and then the cutting edge of the mainstream media like axios

00:20:51.360 picks it up megan uh basham so megan you came on a couple weeks ago and you talked about this

00:20:57.160 what's happening within the evangelical christian movement and lo and behold um axios picks it up

00:21:04.520 they got really good writers over there particularly following religion uh maybe not that they're

00:21:08.760 particularly religious but they follow it very closely they basically say and if we can get

00:21:12.720 the article up empathy is the new battleground for christianity and particularly on the political side

00:21:18.220 ma'am

00:21:18.520 asking the glow for a minute of uh dave bratt uh putting me with the young people as a mom of a

00:21:28.000 teenager so i really love that i'm so glad i came today i noticed that i noticed that brett um but

00:21:36.940 but yes so you know we talked about it because this has really been the steering mechanism to try to move

00:21:44.000 evangelicals toward the left we talked about last time that they are kind of the most important voting

00:21:49.000 block to republicans the gop doesn't win without them so you've seen democrats for a long time trying

00:21:55.060 to find a way into the uh evangelical landscape and empathy has been a key way that they've done that

00:22:02.520 and you know the difference between empathy and compassion is really important because empathy

00:22:07.740 demands that we don't ask questions that we don't look at issues of justice in these truth claims that

00:22:13.220 we don't even look at the truth of these truth claims and you can look at how the blm movement for

00:22:18.480 example said you're not allowed to ask questions you're just supposed to sit and let us express

00:22:23.640 ourselves and feel our pain so you weren't allowed to ask questions like okay well did george floyd

00:22:29.560 actually die because um someone choked him or did he die of an overdose so those questions aren't allowed

00:22:35.620 that's the the empathy steering mechanism it's a it's a steering wheel on your back as my friend

00:22:41.860 the writer joe rigney has said so now we are starting to see um the right and christian conservatives

00:22:48.760 catching on to this and so you have seen books like the sin of empathy or ali beth stuckey's toxic

00:22:54.320 empathy saying no this is actually sinful because what it's asking you to do is to identify with um

00:23:01.900 false or immoral feelings like say the transgender movement so that's what it's asking you to do 1.00

00:23:08.500 and you know just in this last week we saw an appalling example of this so we talked also last

00:23:14.900 time about the national association of evangelicals it's an associate it's the largest association of

00:23:20.600 evangelical churches in the world their immigration arm is world relief they have taken something like

00:23:27.220 330 million dollars from the federal government since 2021 to resettle quote-unquote refugees in 2021

00:23:35.520 they took 56 million to resettle refugees including those from afghanistan including the shooter of

00:23:43.980 those two national guards people so after the day before that shooting president trump announced that there

00:23:51.540 would be additional vetting so he announced a while ago there would be additional vetting of the afghani

00:23:56.960 refugees the day before that world relief issued a statement condemning that decision and in fact

00:24:04.660 their vp matthew sorens who is heavily active in evangelical churches you will see him often on the

00:24:10.040 weekends giving presentations they send materials out to churches saying you must welcome the stranger

00:24:14.740 he called it a needless re-traumatizing of the afghani refugees the very next day the afghan

00:24:23.100 terrorist killed two national guardsmen so that's how this empathy debate is working within the church

00:24:28.660 so they they figured they pulled some verticals the whole gay rights thing lgbtq plus uh they've got

00:24:38.140 uh climate change blm and immigration is this are they saying that that uh christians are not empathetic

00:24:46.060 enough have to be more empathetic and getting people to be more empathetic not compassionate to drive

00:24:52.240 them as you said before to kind of this uh woke or progressive uh evangelical christianity

00:24:58.940 yeah that's exactly what it is and keep in mind though that they set the terms for who you're

00:25:04.420 supposed to feel empathetic toward so you're supposed to feel empathetic toward the the uh man who claims

00:25:10.440 he's a woman who wants access to women's private spaces but you're not supposed to feel empathetic to

00:25:15.480 the women who feel threatened by this you're supposed to feel empathetic for the blm activists who are

00:25:20.620 insisting that hands up don't shoot happened but you're not supposed to feel empathetic for the

00:25:26.300 police officer who has now had his reputation destroyed over a lie and you see this again and

00:25:31.500 again you're supposed to feel empathetic for the illegal immigrants who have come here who are 1.00

00:25:37.100 bringing uh trafficking issues who are bringing crime and drug issues but you're not supposed to feel

00:25:44.760 empathetic for the communities that are being impacted by this or for the guardsmen who have been

00:25:50.280 killed because we did not sufficiently vet these immigrants as they were coming here so they're 1.00

00:25:55.700 really directing you to say here's how who you are supposed to feel empathetic for and you're not

00:26:00.820 supposed to ask simple questions of justice or truth when you do it and you know it's so marxian 0.99

00:26:07.600 because that was marx right he supposedly felt this empathy for all of mankind but he didn't even

00:26:13.360 take care of his own family uh day bratt your thoughts well my thoughts are uh megan just hit

00:26:21.880 it out of the park that was brilliant as usual i'll just add a couple footnotes uh the left brings

00:26:29.160 these conversations up only to damage uh evangelical protestant christian thought right that's when it

00:26:35.540 comes up so when when these articles are written and they say empathy is a central teaching in the bible

00:26:41.480 well actually it's it's not a central teaching in the bible and the term values is not even used in

00:26:47.600 the bible virtues is used sometimes and i'll get at that in a second uh but the key terms uh in the

00:26:54.360 christian teachings in jesus are uh first of all the kingdom of god repent uh you'll never hear uh

00:27:01.240 morning mika and joe uh giving sermons on repent for the kingdom of god is at hand uh the second major

00:27:08.380 concept of jesus is called the gospel and the third is obedience to god the father almighty

00:27:14.140 right and so what megan is getting at and uh this is one of my favorite books after the bible is closing

00:27:19.880 american mind by alan bloom and values along with empathy empathy is a modern psychological term

00:27:26.620 values similarly are subjective you want to know what's not subjective god and the good here's old

00:27:33.820 plato over here in my picture pointing up the argument of the greeks and reason was the good

00:27:39.540 is objective the goal of modern liberalism and the leftist is to get everything to be subjective

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00:29:19.760 rally in indianapolis on redistricting on friday uh jack basobics on joining us in the pentagon

00:29:25.660 um grace and mo have up right now i think our other getter channel just go to grace she's putting

00:29:31.660 it out to the to the posse uh we're going to have a side channel follow the hearing and we'll dip in

00:29:38.380 and out of that the hearing about child protection that's going to become a big part of this uh internet

00:29:44.200 um amnesty bill to try to get through that we're stopping so anyway that's there the activist joe

00:29:49.940 allen is there jack basobics at the pentagon gonna be a brief there um cabinet meeting 11 30

00:29:55.260 you're gonna see it all we're gonna juggle it all we're gonna get it done um megan

00:30:01.060 you had a concept that the war and posse loved last time you called the evangelical the the

00:30:06.780 the hardcore conservative evangelical community the lone bulwark oftentimes on a lot of these issues

00:30:13.600 they've stood in the breach over and over and over again and obviously the progressive left

00:30:18.960 is targeted that group to try to you know chip away at it but also to drive wedges in the middle and have

00:30:26.720 a big breakup you can tell this by the intensity they're doing it how can we respond then to this

00:30:32.020 empathy this whole issue of they're using empathy as the new battleground uh for christians ma'am

00:30:39.140 well you know the first one um and this is not just to plug my book but i do go into this in

00:30:44.280 shepherds for sale how evangelical leaders traded the truth for a leftist agenda and that was a very

00:30:49.580 key piece of it this empathy debate because when my book came out the the two subjects i was probably

00:30:54.940 most attacked on were one how could i go after world relief and these um immigration

00:31:01.300 organization ngos that were supposedly doing all this christian work all over the world how could

00:31:05.720 i expose those people that was so unchristian and then the other one was the title nine abuse issue

00:31:11.360 they were attacking me for saying well wait a minute we need to investigate the truth claims of these

00:31:16.040 women adult women who are claiming that they were abused when they had relationships with adult men

00:31:21.840 who were supposedly in some sort of power over them so you know the first thing i had to do through

00:31:26.680 that was simply say i'm not moving these are the facts i'm laying them out and when the mob comes

00:31:32.480 and sometimes it will you simply cannot move but what you can take comfort in is knowing that

00:31:37.300 eventually the truth is going to come out and a whole lot of people are suddenly going to pretend

00:31:41.920 like they were on your side all along because that's exactly what i've experienced in the evangelical

00:31:46.460 world now in terms of being the lone bulwark something that's really important to know is that

00:31:51.300 the evangelical rank and file are much much more conservative than their leadership class and

00:31:56.860 that's consistent whether it's the southern baptist convention the presbyterian church in america the

00:32:02.400 anglicans you just see it again and again leadership class much more liberal and that's because they're 0.65

00:32:07.920 being inculcated in these things like um the empathetic discussion in their seminaries so they're

00:32:13.960 bringing this into their churches and it has had some effect but you know it takes time to trickle down

00:32:19.140 into the pews and so you know the second thing i want to say is what we're seeing right now is what

00:32:24.120 i'm terming the great rehab tour so all of these uh evangelical luminaries who head seminaries or who

00:32:32.220 are you know internationally known pastors big best-selling authors they're now trying to pretend that they

00:32:38.420 were never over there promoting black lives matter or they were never over there promoting um me too

00:32:44.920 movement and things like that the immigration movement what what i want is that unless there is

00:32:50.480 repentance we can't let this great rehab tour happen because they will do it again there needs to be

00:32:55.420 accountability and so while i'm not here you know trying to be a lady defarge trying to insist that

00:33:01.620 everybody's head has to come off i'm not saying that i am saying if they do not recognize their error

00:33:06.500 then no they don't get to keep their platform and their audience you should still continue

00:33:11.060 not giving money and attention to those people so you know that's a big component for me is that

00:33:16.180 um if you showed in the day of battle that you were going to bend the knee then you no longer get to

00:33:23.020 be trusted as a leader you should no longer get to occupy that leadership role in our movement so now

00:33:27.980 that things have started to shift right and the overton has moved they're all kind of scrambling

00:33:32.000 to get at the front of the line again and i don't want to allow that um you know there's a few

00:33:36.460 who have openly said i erred i was wrong i got caught up in a moment i'm a little more

00:33:40.880 charitable with those guys but if they're just simply trying to reposition without any acknowledgement

00:33:45.680 of how they participated in this black lives matter madness in this um insistence that to love our 0.96

00:33:53.580 neighbor or to welcome the stranger meant that we had to accept our own destruction then no i am not

00:33:59.040 willing to continue to let you be the voice and the face of evangelical ideas wow and what a

00:34:06.440 great literary reference lady defarge one of the great characters in all literature from tale of 0.95

00:34:11.600 two cities and if you've ever seen the 1939 film you will know exactly what megan is talking about

00:34:18.260 megan where do people go to get your book where they get your writings and where they keep up with

00:34:22.920 you on social media yeah shepherds for sale is a bit where i expose many of these things and it's

00:34:28.380 important to know about world relief because i would say they are integrally responsible for what

00:34:33.860 happened to those national guardsmen um so you can find that anywhere books are sold amazon target

00:34:38.480 walmart uh you can find me on x at at meg basham and you can find me on instagram where i don't hang

00:34:44.760 out quite as much at journalist megan basham megan thank you so much for joining us today appreciate

00:34:50.380 you thanks for having me for driving and for driving the conversation uh brad before we go to

00:34:55.560 poso at the pentagon and i'm gonna dip into this hearing on capitol hill uh megan's solution here

00:35:01.100 your thoughts well i think she's spot on and if you'll notice she's following one of the core

00:35:07.180 tenets of jesus that i mentioned which is repent for the kingdom of god is at hand uh you don't get

00:35:13.540 it every which way right nietzsche uh came up with the concept of uh values and the modern conception is

00:35:21.240 your values my values let's just agree to disagree uh well the great catholic tradition saint augustine

00:35:28.220 aquinas calvin luther the protestant reformation uh they had systems of thought that had to be

00:35:33.940 internally consistent we're missing those those these days uh just war theory all these concepts

00:35:39.660 were objective truths proven by reason and in accord with the revelation in the bible uh those two things

00:35:47.920 are great guardrails for western civilization they have to all fit together unfortunately today uh when

00:35:53.980 these teachers uh in the schools and uh one thing uh megan you know she she basically mentioned the 0.90

00:35:59.240 seminaries uh but k-12 education they're indoctrinated by these uh dangerous helpers called

00:36:05.860 school counselors who all teach uh values values clarification uh you're okay i'm okay we're not

00:36:13.520 all okay right and so the central doctrines of christianity uh are embedded in the kingdom of god

00:36:20.360 repent for the kingdom of god is at hand and keep your ears open for that and and also when it comes

00:36:25.420 to values and virtues jesus also said the first command is love god first uh so whenever you get

00:36:31.500 to this empathy and everything about these modern values and virtues toward your neighbor uh it doesn't

00:36:38.240 work if god the father's not involved in that conversation if it's not god guiding those values and

00:36:43.860 virtues god ensures along with human reason that things are systematic our founders all knew that

00:36:50.000 uh james madison who went to princeton wrote the constitution uh no finer mind when it was when it

00:36:56.020 was when it was a religious school hang on one second we have um breaking news that's a blockbuster

00:37:03.360 uh this is from meredith lee hill uh it or from meredith lee at the hill i think it is a new this is

00:37:10.820 house armed services committee chair mike rogers one of the cardinals tells politico he's planning to

00:37:17.020 release the ndaa text this thursday rogers said the moratorium on state artificial intelligence laws

00:37:24.800 the gop leaders are pushing quote lost its momentum doesn't have enough support end quote he doesn't

00:37:32.660 believe it will be included at this point before a vote next week quote i think that's gone unquote

00:37:38.940 blockbuster this is the number one thing the tech bros are trying to push and it looks like right now

00:37:44.360 from one of the most senior guys on capitol hill and the guy really in charge of the nda mike rogers

00:37:49.340 it's done now that doesn't mean it's done as you know in this game it only means we're going to go

00:37:54.340 the next round but right now their efforts to try to slide it into the big beautiful bill we killed

00:38:00.000 their efforts to try to slide it into ndaa it looks like right now for mike rogers that it may be stopped

00:38:06.520 it's not that we're going to not go to the ramparts in this thing we have to kill it mike davis will join

00:38:10.960 me hopefully this afternoon to talk about this some more let's go to the pentagon do i have jack

00:38:15.520 basovic jack basovic at the pentagon can you hear me sir

00:38:19.320 steve i read you loud and clear from inside the five-sided puzzle palace

00:38:25.980 well tell me about today you're going to finally get we're going to get a briefing at 11 o'clock

00:38:30.880 there's you know this this issue with recalling kelly to for court martial they're trying to go

00:38:36.580 after our own pete hexeth on a uh on a a rule of uh on the rules of war uh about giving quarter

00:38:44.200 they're really gearing up on this morning joe's lighted up about this we still have a carrier

00:38:48.720 battle group and an amphibious ready group uh off the coast of venezuela everybody's kind of

00:38:54.000 on tenor hooks are we going to go to war this afternoon or what jack basovic

00:38:57.760 well steve those are the very questions that we're going to be asking about soon as the briefing

00:39:03.820 begins here kingsley wilson is going to be coming out depending on press secretary and many of those

00:39:07.760 questions i've been talking to you to the uh the group here and i think you'll see a lot of war room

00:39:12.960 alumni and a lot of war room regulars uh we get the great brianna morello is here laura loomer is here

00:39:18.940 matt gates is here sona savannah hernandez monica page so uh it's really a murderer's row of folks who 0.82

00:39:26.760 by the way and people are saying oh this new pentagon press corps they're you know they're lapdogs

00:39:31.420 they're sycophants they're all the rest i say hold on a second these are not exactly people who are

00:39:35.760 fans of the military industrial complex they're fans of maga world peace and there's a lot of

00:39:41.180 people who have very serious questions even libertarians here from zero hedge we got liam

00:39:44.820 cosgrove over here from zero hedge we're going to be asking serious questions about what exactly is

00:39:49.580 going on in venezuela there's certainly going to be questions about the drone strikes admiral bradley

00:39:54.500 who by the way you know i uh i was familiar with admiral bradley during his tenure down at uh in the

00:40:00.160 navy down at dev grew you know these strikes this was sop i think that narrative got blown up faster

00:40:05.140 than a narco boat but even by the new york times itself but again you still see senator wicker is

00:40:10.840 launching this investigation into pete hegseth at the same time mark kelly is coming around

00:40:16.240 sowing dissension in the ranks hang on don't bury the lead wicker is like wicker's the senate equivalent

00:40:24.820 almost of mike rogers right in in the house armed services you have a republican that is agreeing with

00:40:33.080 the democrats and the most radical democrats to actually start a formal inquiry into the rules

00:40:38.860 of engagement about this uh about this boat and particularly the second shot sir

00:40:42.960 steve that's exactly right and i'll tell you something if charlie kirk were here right now

00:40:49.060 he would be lighting up the senators on that committee right now uh mark wayne mullen eric

00:40:55.220 schmidt there's so many good senators on there to say guys what is going on why is a republican committee

00:41:01.140 putting president trump's secretary of war under investigation for doing his job and by the way

00:41:08.160 following the sop of drone strikes that has been going on for over a decade why are republicans in

00:41:14.520 the senate undercutting president trump's own cabinet secretary so let me ask jack posobiec

00:41:20.800 why is it happening why is it happening sir i've got my theory but i want to hear yours you're over

00:41:26.120 in the pentagon today it's outrageous but why what do you think it's happening here this is folks this is

00:41:31.380 not a small thing steve steve because they're using this they're using this to go after president

00:41:35.380 trump and this is republicans are teaming up with democrats

00:41:38.740 steve it's all about getting leverage who controls the pentagon who controls the military

00:41:46.920 who controls the deep state they have no problem these are drone strikes in somalia drone strikes

00:41:51.380 in yemen drone strikes in afghanistan they would have no problem whatsoever but if pete hegseth on

00:41:56.460 the orders of donald trump is conducting these types of kinetic strikes here in the western hemisphere

00:42:00.980 is conducting hemispheric defense the entire beltway is totally against that they want liberal

00:42:07.680 hegemony that's what this fight is about and they're using pete hegseth to get to trump

00:42:13.020 so jack we're going to go live when you guys start at 10 o'clock what we'd love to do is if we got

00:42:18.800 time is pull you out before the cabinet meeting starts academy is supposed to be 11 30 but as you

00:42:22.800 know these cabinet meetings have a history of starting a little late so we'd love to get you right after

00:42:27.620 the uh right after the press briefing if we can we will and and steve we'll be up here live as well

00:42:34.080 for human events daily two to three today we're going to be doing it live right here from the

00:42:38.040 pentagon fantastic look forward to watching our own jack so we got a whole team there today of course

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00:46:54.140 we locklear we love you uh we call him lockwood in a private joke but um rest in peace my friend

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Bannon's War Room - December 02, 2025

Episode 4966： Empathy The New Battleground Against The Church

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