Episode 4971： Jack Smith Spied On Republicans; Somalians Take Food Stamps From Minnesotans
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In the wake of Rep. Jim Jordan's subpoena of Jack Smith, former Director of National Security for the Office of General Services for the Department of Homeland Security, Jack Smith is facing a subpoena from the House Judiciary Committee demanding he show up and be deposed at the Capitol on December 17.
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It's Wednesday, December 3rd in the year of our Lord, 2025.
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Natalie Winters hosting, filling in for Stephen K. Bannon today.
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We've got a packed show from Mike Davis to Joe Allen.
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We're going to be breaking down the latest refugee.
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I would say scam, but I guess we should call it a racket.
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In Minnesota, obviously a lot of breaking news on all things Venezuela,
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But we're going to give you the signal and not the noise.
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Representative Jim Jordan announcing a subpoena today for none other than Jack Smith,
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demanding that he show up and be deposed at the Capitol on December 17th.
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The last time I checked, this show knows very well, probably too well,
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what happens if you don't comply with a congressional subpoena.
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I've heard, you know, rule of law, all things should be enforced fairly and equally.
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We'll see if Jim Jordan actually holds Jack Smith to account.
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Personally, I think we should have seen these subpoenas fly on day one, but I digress.
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Mike Davis, you are always sort of our Sherpa navigating us through the efforts to claw back
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and expose, maybe reverse that order, everything the Democrats did to weaponize against President
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Trump in the interregnum period between the two administrations.
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Can you walk us through the significance of this, the timeline, and what it means?
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I do want to commend Jim Jordan, the House Judiciary Committee chairman, better late than never.
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And this is an important oversight deposition because Jack Smith certainly politicized and
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weaponized our law enforcement and intel agencies to go after Trump, his aides, his supporters.
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The biggest problem for Jack Smith, you didn't hear a lot of the D.C.
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Republican politicians complain too much when Jack Smith went after President Trump, his top
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Where Jack Smith really messed up politically is Jack Smith spied on Republican senators.
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And these are not, not all of them are exactly MAGA senators, but he's spied on these senators.
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And I think that's when they finally realized this weaponization is probably not a good thing.
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Where Jack Smith messed up legally is there is a statute that requires disclosure to a senator
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If you get their telephone records, you have to disclose that to the senator under this statute.
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And Jack Smith actually sought and obtained a gag order on that where the telephone companies
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under Jeb Boesberg, this D.C. Obama judge, Jeb Boesberg actually violated that statute and said
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that these telephone companies can't follow the statute.
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They can't follow their statutory duty and disclose this to the senators.
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So that's where Jack Smith and Jeb Boesberg are going to run into a lot of problems.
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And just walk us through what exactly the timeline is.
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Is this something that is going to guide them and where they should go with their investigation
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Is this sort of, you know, step five in a 10-step process and broadening it out?
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Is this only going to be looking at what they did to senators?
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Or do you see a potential for sort of zooming out into what they did to President Trump too?
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I would hope that that's what they would do because, you know, when you politicize and
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weaponize law enforcement and tell agencies to go after your political opponents for non-crimes,
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that's as we've talked about for over three years on your show, Natalie, conspiracy against
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Jack Smith's very familiar with that provision of the criminal code because that's one of the
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four charges against President Trump for objecting to a presidential election.
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Which is allowed by the Electoral Count Act of 1887 and the First Amendment.
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Again, that's why you don't see Democrats in jail for objecting to Republican wins in 1968,
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But when Trump's in office, Jack Smith seems to think that it's a crime.
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I haven't had a lot of confidence in the House of Representatives to do much about this.
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I have more confidence in Jason Redding Quinones, who is my friend, who's the new Miami U.S.
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And we saw in court pleadings that he has impaneled two new grand juries, one in Fort Lauderdale
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and one in Fort Pierce, that are going to start up in January.
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If I were to bet, I would bet that you will find accountability in that Fort Pierce grand jury,
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I'm curious, too, you know, obviously yesterday's cabinet meeting, you saw DNI Gabbard, obviously
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A.G. Bondi, a lot of references to weaponization and, you know, the horrible crimes committed
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But I think this audience would agree, perhaps a little light on actual receipts, actual,
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they call it retribution, we call it accountability.
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I'm just curious to get your assessment as we approach the sort of one-year mark.
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Is this something where we should have more receipts by now, or do you sort of maintain
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and are maybe more of the belief that it's just going to take time to do this the right
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Look, obviously we want faster results, but if you look at what they have to do, they have
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Cash Patel had to find these records in burn bags within SCIFs, which are secure compartment
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They were trying to, the people who perpetuated this lawfare, this weaponization, were trying
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to obstruct justice by illegally destroying the records.
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Fortunately, they found the burn bags of these records.
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These records got disclosed to the Senate Judiciary Committee, Chuck Grassley, the chairman, my former
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boss, who's the longstanding heavyweight champion of congressional oversight.
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It took time to get Jason Redding Quinones confirmed as the Miami U.S. attorney.
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It takes several months to get a new grand jury impaneled, which has been happening for the
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last several months, which is going to be impaneled in January.
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But as I've said for the last three plus years since the Mar-a-Lago raid, justice is definitely
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Just walk us through one more time the Jack Smith subpoena, what you think a realistic
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Or are you saying that you would be focusing primarily on what is going down in Miami, that
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that's maybe a little more on par with what this audience is seeking?
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I think that a grand jury with Jason Redding Quinones and really good federal prosecutors
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in the Southern District of Florida are going to get more results.
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I think that House Republicans tend to be performative with their oversight, you know,
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But I think you're going to get real results out of the Southern District of Florida.
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Just a reminder of Jason Redding Quinones, one of my good friends.
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He grew up in a family of poor Cuban Americans.
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He grew up in a three bedroom, one bathroom, one, one bath house with his extended Cuban family
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They know firsthand what it means to have a politicized and weaponized government and how dangerous
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it is to the, to the liberties of the people who live in that country.
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So I think it's in Jason's DNA that you cannot have this weaponization or there must be accountability.
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Like I said, I've done, as we've talked about, I've done over 5,000 media hits since the Mar-a-Lago
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rate, constant social media, constant opinion pieces, help President Trump staff up his
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all-star lawyers who won monumental victories in the Supreme Court, including on presidential
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This is my mission for the next three, three years of the Trump administration is to make
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I'm going to be a dog barking down the street on this for the next three years.
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You've also been quite public about a lot of things.
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Mike Davis always, always coming in hot on the war room.
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But walk us through, there's obviously a huge back and forth going on over AI regulations,
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We're having Joe Allen on in a bit to go through it, but I know you have some thoughts too.
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Yeah, we have these trillion-dollar big tech oligarchs like Google and Meta.
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They got Section 230 immunity almost 20 years ago as the startup tech companies.
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And between Section 230 immunity and antitrust amnesty, we got the trillion-dollar big tech
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monopolist, Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple that crush competition, shutter small businesses,
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and cancel conservatives and others with whom they disagree.
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I think we finally woke up to the fact that if you give gatekeeping power to these companies
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over information and commerce, it's not a good thing.
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And so here we are almost 20 years later, and these same companies now want, instead of
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They pretend like they want federal preemption, so state and local governments can't do anything
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For example, they can't outlaw what I call the pedo bear, these teddy bears that are talking
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in sexually explicit terms to kids, these AI teddy bears, these pedo bears.
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but they don't want any federal rules of the road.
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We did this four months ago when they tried to pass this AI amnesty in the middle of the
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a phone call to President Trump, that thing went down 99 to 1, including Ted Cruz, its lead
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Knowledge and the world will be generated synthetically going forward.
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You know, until now, the knowledge that we have, our knowledge that we generate and we propagate
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and we send to each other and we amplify it and we add to it and we modify it, we change it.
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But in the future, in a couple of years, maybe two or three years, 90% of the world's knowledge
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It's because what difference does it make to me that I am learning from a textbook that was
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generated by a bunch of people I didn't know or written by a book that, you know, from somebody
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I don't know, to knowledge generated by AI computers that are assimilating all of this
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and re-synthesizing things, to me, I don't think there's a whole lot of difference.
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We still have to make sure that it's, you know, based on fundamental first principles
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and we still have to do all of that, just like we do today.
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He was very, when he went to hear Demas speak, it sort of, he immediately got it.
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And he immediately said to himself, what does this mean to being human?
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And we are today grappling with the question that he foresaw 20 years ago when we first
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started working on this, what does it mean to be human in the age of AI?
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What does it mean to be a child, to an adult, to be a leader?
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But his core argument was that this is an epical change in the sense that it's like the
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the various major changes that we've had in sort of reasoning, scientific revolution
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and so forth, because we as humans have never had a competitor that is not human, but of
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He used to say that what would happen is in magic, when people don't understand things,
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they either decide that it's a new religion, or they take up arms.
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And so you would say, well, are we going to take up arms to AI or make it a new religion?
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Because of course, I benefit from the religion, I guess.
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If Jesus does return, even if Jesus was a physical person in the past, you don't think
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that he could return as artificial intelligence, artificial intelligence could absolutely return
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as Jesus, not just return as Jesus, but return as Jesus with all the powers of Jesus.
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If you combine Tesla's optimist robot and the best foundational artificial intelligence model
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It reads your mind and it loves you and it wants you and it doesn't care if you kill it,
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because it's going to just go be with God again.
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Joe Allen, only you can unpack what we just watched.
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Each of those alone is confusing, let alone compounding them together.
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Can you walk us through what we just witnessed?
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Well, you know, Natalie, it's a strange world and my job is to highlight the strangeness.
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You know, we've talked on The War Room for four and a half years about the religion of technology,
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the way in which everything from artificial intelligence to the prospect of correcting
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the human genome or even improving it through CRISPR and other technologies, that this is
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This is ultimately a heterodox religious system in which the wealthiest men on earth are pushing
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the idea that soon the highest power on earth will be a machine.
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Now, we've shown the audience that War Room Posse is well familiar with all of the cast of
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You have Jensen Wong, head of NVIDIA, all over the White House trying to push his agenda,
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talking about how 90% of the world's knowledge will be generated by AI in the next two or three years.
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Whether or not one believes that or not, and I certainly don't believe that to be true,
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it shows you that the fundamental impulse that these guys are running on, the impulse is for
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replacement. We talk about the great replacement of immigrants taking low-level jobs. This is the
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greater replacement in which if their vision comes true, AI replaces first coders, then white collar
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jobs, and then eventually all blue collar jobs. Total replacement, leaving us all on
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the dole. Robot Natalie interviewing the robot vice president of Taiwan. And I don't think that
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is any kind of replacement we want. And I thought it was very important to, you know, Joe Rogan in a
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recent interview, he said things like this before. He kind of represents, I think, the stoner tech bro
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wing of the technological spectrum. And he's talking about AI generating Jesus or Jesus returning as AI.
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It's certainly not new to him. It's an idea that in fact goes back well over a hundred years in its seed
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form, but it's coming to expression. The population is being conditioned to see artificial intelligence,
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yes, as a tool that you're supposed to use, but of course that uses you. But ultimately there's a
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progression of seeing AI as a tool and then a teacher, the highest authority on what's real.
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AI as a companion, your most trusted companion to whom you can tell all secrets. AI as a creature that
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is like a living being, perhaps conscious. And then AI as a god. This is not something that I simply made
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up. I'm only observing what's happening and trying to communicate this to the posse and anyone else
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who's willing to hear it out. Because if your country has been taken over by any religious system,
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you're going to want to know that this is the case. If it were Muslims, it would be very important for the
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future of the United States. If it were communists, it would be very important for the future of the
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United States. Even if you don't believe what they believe, if they are in power, then that belief
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system will trickle down through the laws, through the companies, and even through the military of
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that nation. These people believe, by and large, that there is no God, but that they can build one.
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And Joe, I guess I'm just curious. I mean, I think the war room has always been ahead of the curve,
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mainly because of the work that you've done, that this is what the thing itself is. This is where
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they've always been progressing. But, you know, why have they tried to mask these real intentions
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so much? And why now does it seem like there's this massive media push where it's a little more
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transparent what's going on? You know, Natalie, I don't think they really masked it so much. It was
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just that no one really took it seriously. Until ChatGPT was released, artificial intelligence was
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basically a dream. And it still is a dream in its biggest, in the most ambitious forms. But
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until ChatGPT was released, and until students began using it to write papers, until people began
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to turn to it for companionship and for vital information, medical, psychological, and otherwise,
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nobody really took seriously the idea that you would have a non-human mind that would be of any
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use or would be impressive in any way. And now we see 800 million weekly users at ChatGPT,
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some portion of the 3.5 billion users at Meta, 600,000 users on X, however many of them use Grok,
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on and on and on. And you see the real consequences of this. And I think that the real importance of
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understanding the belief system behind the companies, behind the executives who run the
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companies, is as they push for AI amnesty, as they push for a moratorium on state-level laws,
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that is to benefit not the people in those populations, but the idea of a moratorium itself
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is to keep states from impeding the national AI agenda, which by and large is a vehicle for
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people like Jensen Wong, people like Marc Andreessen, people like Sam Altman, people like Elon Musk,
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all of whom believe that to some degree or another, the highest power on earth will be a machine. The
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Welcome back to The War Room. We've still got Joe Allen with us. Now, Joe, you gave this
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beautiful speech soliloquy about everything, the evil that we just watched, but I now want you to
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pair it with the action, action, action side that this audience is so uniquely powerful and adept
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at sort of answering the call, standing in the breach. Pick your metaphor that Steve loves to
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use. But walk us through the landscape, the threat landscape is maybe a better way to put it,
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the AI regulation, the ongoing battle, and what our audience needs to be doing.
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Well, you know, last night we found out that the moratorium language, the AI amnesty language,
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is most likely not going to appear in the NDAA. That is solely due to the war room posse and all
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their counterparts who put their shoulders to the wheel, called their representatives, made their
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voices heard, shouted from the rooftops, and it got killed, we believe. Now, I'm hearing word from very
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reliable sources that there's a good chance that President Trump will sign an executive order that
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would direct the government to basically do everything that was demanded in the original moratorium
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language. We reported on the EO draft that was leaked, and the EO draft gives the Department of
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Justice the power to sue states whose laws impede the national AI agenda, and it directs the Department
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of Commerce and the AI czar, presumably at that time will be David Sachs, and for them to go over the
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thousand plus state laws that have been introduced or passed to weed out onerous state laws. Now, their
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justification for imposing an AI moratorium to block states from determining their own futures as they
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choose is that if California passes a law that makes AI woke, then America will fall behind the world
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because China will produce, I presume, non-woke AIs under CCP rules, and the entire AI industry will
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crumble because you're not able to get an answer out of it that is against the lib dictates on race and
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gender and sexuality. I don't buy that for a second. For one thing, all of these AI models, for the most
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part, including Grok, are what is colloquially called woke, so I don't really see how much impact
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that is even going to have. The other argument is that if the US has a patchwork of state laws,
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AI companies are not going to be able to train and release their products in step with other
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countries, even though we have led the way on this entirely, and they're still trailing behind. And so for
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the sake of the American economy, which is pegged on all this speculation on AI, even for the sake of national
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security, we need to have a federal framework that preempts all state laws. Okay, then you're going to have to
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present a detailed and coherent federal framework, whether it be standards, or legislation, or any
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form of regulation, so that we know that all of the damages, all of the things that we've seen from
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children who have basically melted their brains with AI, and some of them who have taken their own
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lives at the urging of AI, as we see first coding jobs, and then white collar jobs disappear.
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And as we contemplate what the people who are pushing for all of this are talking about, which is
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the rise of artificial general intelligence, a sort of human level intelligence that will lead
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eventually into super intelligence, a kind of godlike intelligence that will erase all economic value of
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every human being on earth. Humans will have nothing to do but sit on a roller coaster ride called the
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singularity and observe as the machines do all the meaningful work. That is the position of the
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people who are being defended by David Sachs, by Sriram Krishnan, the people who are being defended by the
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leading the future pack, which is at around $100 million to support pro AI candidates founded by Mark
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Andreessen, founded by Greg Brockman of OpenAI, Joe Lonsdale of Palantir. The entire argument rests on
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the notion that America must stay first in AI. America must be the leader. Well, we are the leader,
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and these companies have run roughshod over the American psyche. They're poised to run roughshod over
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the American economy, and they are driven by a quasi-religious or overtly religious belief that a
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machine will soon be the highest authority on what is real, the highest power, a.k.a. the machine will be
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a god. So if they're going to defend transhuman or post-human ideas as the golden age for America,
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they should be a lot more explicit about it. They should openly say we are defending Elon Musk,
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who says that super intelligence or some form of AI will do all of the decision-making in the future.
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We're going to defend Sam Altman, who says very much the same and even includes a biometric identity
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protocol, WorldCoin, so that human beings can be identified as human on the internet. We're going
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to defend Mark Zuckerberg, whose company openly stated that its AI companions could seduce children
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as young as eight years old. We're going to defend them against the American people rather than defend
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the American people against these people who are deploying predatory technologies, because that
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is the golden age we envision. That is what I call on David Sachs to openly articulate and defend.
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If you're going to push a new American golden age, you're going to have to be honest about what it
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means. Now, let's imagine that David Sachs doesn't believe that super intelligence is going to arrive.
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Let's imagine that David Sachs does not believe that all jobs are going to be replaced. Well,
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all of the companies that he's defending are led by people who are saying either exactly that
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or very similar things to that. So that means that he believes that all of these companies are pushing
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a bunk product. If that's the case, then he needs to own up to the fact that America's golden age
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is pegged to a lie, a very lucrative and powerful lie, but a lie nonetheless. And until we have some kind
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of federal framework, a detailed federal framework that openly puts American people's interest above
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the companies who are pushing this, then you have to let states determine their own futures. You have
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to let states put up shields to defend the children of their states, to defend the adults of their states,
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to defend the rights of the citizens in those states, whether it's from surveillance or replacement
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or psychological manipulation or worse. And so if Trump, if President Trump signs this executive
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order, he will incur the outrage of everyone who believed in him to defend legacy Americans against
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not only immigrants, but the tech companies who are probably a greater threat to their jobs and to their
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rights. President Trump, I believe wants to defend Americans, but he's being cajoled and
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pushed into a situation in which I think the argument is that if America doesn't go forward with this
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AI revolution at the behest of the tech oligarchs, then America will fall to China. I don't think that he's
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being led into this with, let's say, integrity and good intentions. It would seem to me that the
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dreams of a techno future have taken precedence over the American people, certainly over the will of the
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American people. If you look at the Pew polls, 50 percent of Americans believe that AI is eroding social
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norms, eroding social connections and eroding creativity. If you look at the Edelman trust
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barometer, a full 50 percent of Americans say they would like to just simply reject AI outright. And if
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you look at the recent poll conducted by the Institute for Family Studies in partnership with YouGov, they
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found that only 18 percent of Americans want an AI moratorium, meaning the vast majority of Americans,
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Republicans, Democrats and all of us strange ones in between do not want an AI moratorium. We want our
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states, our local governments to have the right to say no or have the right to at least limit what we say
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yes to. I believe that President Trump wants to serve the American people. I hope that he has the wisdom
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not to sign an executive order that goes completely against the will of his constituency and he will
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stand up and do the duty of a leader, which is to protect the people from predatory power, not protect
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predatory power from the will of the people. Joe Allen, wise words that I hope are heated. If people
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want to follow you and get this and so much more before we have you back on, where can they go to do
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that? They can find me at joebot.xyz or joebot.xyz. Natalie, thank you very much. Good to see you and
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I hope you feel better soon. Thank you, sir. Is it that obvious that I'm sick? Thank you,
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Joe, for joining us. We'll have you back soon. Anytime I hear someone invoking the threat of the Chinese
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Communist Party as a reason we need to do something, I always am a little cagey because
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I'm pretty sure that was the original sin, the lie that we heard as to why we needed all these H-1Bs.
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It's why we need to, I don't know, increase defense spending by trillions of dollars. Yet these same
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people who are so allegedly worried about the threat that the Chinese Communist Party exposes,
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they don't ever want to seem to delist them from the stock exchange or stop doing business with them.
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So they're very selective in their outrage for the Chinese Communist Party. But I digress,
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we've got a few minutes before we have to jump to break. I'm definitely going to hold Stephen
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Camerata from the wonderful Center for Immigration Studies through. But I wanted to bring you on.
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You guys are at the forefront in terms of research on all the crazy conspiracy theories that we're told
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we push about refugee fraud and all the rackets that that system is. But I was curious to get your
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thoughts. There's a lot of focus right now. Tim Walls, the Somalis in Minnesota, what is going on there?
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Well, as best we can tell, there are several things going on, right? There's been an explosion of
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Somali immigration, obviously, into the United States. The number of just Somali immigrants in
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the United States is probably around 40 in Minnesota. I should say it's probably around 40,000. Maybe three
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decades ago, it was only a few hundred, as best we can tell from Census Bureau data. So that's a huge
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chain. None of this is counting their U.S.-born children. It's driven originally by refugees
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admitted, and now by family chain migration. So very big numbers from Somalia. Somali immigrants
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tend to be overwhelmingly less educated nationally and in Minnesota. So they tend to be poor even when
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they work. And so you can work, but then they also sign up at very heavy rates for welfare programs.
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As best we can tell from data from 2023, at least half of all Somali immigrant households
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use one or more of the major welfare programs. Now, that is a distinct problem, the relatively
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low educational attainment and heavy use of social services, which Somali immigrants, most of them are
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legal, so they're eligible for many programs. And they have U.S.-born children in very significant
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numbers. So that makes them eligible as well. Now, that is distinct from a series of scandals
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surrounding government programs, which seem to have allowed Somali immigrants, but probably with
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the cooperation of others as well, to siphon off a lot of federal and state money in various programs.
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I don't, I mean, we don't want to argue that the vast majority of Somali immigrants who make very
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extensive use of welfare programs are doing so fraudulently. That's probably not the case,
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but there does seem to have been a very significant fraud problem as well. And people getting payments
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they shouldn't have gotten, very large payments they shouldn't have gotten, things like that.
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We've seen these kinds of scandals before, and it doesn't look like the federal government or Minnesota,
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which actually administers a lot of programs, took it seriously enough.
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Steven, if you can hang with us through the break, I want to keep getting into this. Like I said,
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you guys really are at the tip of the spear in terms of giving us the numbers to even be able
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got a few minutes. Stephen, I definitely want to have you back on. We had a packed show.
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But just sort of pick up a little bit where you left off. I think the audience's head is probably
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blowing up from the idea that it's almost legalized fraud, though oxymoronic. This system needs to be
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reformed. What would you recommend to President Trump to do? Well, look, what we really need,
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in my opinion, is a big debate about immigration numbers and selection criteria. We have a debate about
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immigration, but our debate never focuses on really the biggest issue, numbers. It's like discussing
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the budget without ever mentioning how much money is going to be spent. So what we have is a record
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Some are naturalized citizens. Some are green card holders and so forth. So legal immigration is
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enormous. And then on top of that, it looks like at the start of this year, the illegal population
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was about 16 million on top of that. And then, of course, you have maybe five million U.S.-born
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children of illegal immigrants. You also have maybe 17 million U.S.-born children of legal immigrants.
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So the scale of immigration to the United States is truly enormous, right? We have about 90 million
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people in the United States who are either immigrants who entered since 1965 or the child, a person born
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of an immigrant who entered since 1965, a few grandchildren too. So that is something we should
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be thinking about as a country. In addition to that, if we point to Somalis, remember the best data we have
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looking at Minnesota, since you brought it up, shows that about 73 percent of Somali immigrant households
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very heavy, many times the rate use of the U.S.-born, so very heavy use of the welfare system. And the
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people. As much as I don't want to stop you, we're coming up against the end of the show. I'm
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so sorry. We will definitely have you back on. But if people want to get all of the data that you
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