Bannon's War Room - Episode 4971： Jack Smith Spied On Republicans; Somalians Take Food Stamps From Minnesotans

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00:00:44.560 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:00:53.700 You're in the War Room.

00:00:54.900 It's Wednesday, December 3rd in the year of our Lord, 2025.

00:00:58.600 Natalie Winters hosting, filling in for Stephen K. Bannon today.

00:01:02.740 We've got a packed show from Mike Davis to Joe Allen.

00:01:06.160 We're going to be breaking down the latest refugee. 1.00

00:01:08.840 I would say scam, but I guess we should call it a racket.

00:01:11.360 And I don't even like the term refugee there.

00:01:13.600 Invaders, everything that's going on.

00:01:15.660 In Minnesota, obviously a lot of breaking news on all things Venezuela,

00:01:19.520 narco-terrorists and all that. 0.94

00:01:21.380 But we're going to give you the signal and not the noise.

00:01:26.520 Representative Jim Jordan announcing a subpoena today for none other than Jack Smith,

00:01:32.120 demanding that he show up and be deposed at the Capitol on December 17th.

00:01:38.020 The last time I checked, this show knows very well, probably too well,

00:01:42.020 what happens if you don't comply with a congressional subpoena.

00:01:45.200 I've heard, you know, rule of law, all things should be enforced fairly and equally.

00:01:50.080 We'll see if Jim Jordan actually holds Jack Smith to account.

00:01:53.760 Personally, I think we should have seen these subpoenas fly on day one, but I digress.

00:01:59.580 Mike Davis, you are always sort of our Sherpa navigating us through the efforts to claw back

00:02:05.660 and expose, maybe reverse that order, everything the Democrats did to weaponize against President

00:02:11.840 Trump in the interregnum period between the two administrations.

00:02:15.640 Can you walk us through the significance of this, the timeline, and what it means?

00:02:18.660 I do want to commend Jim Jordan, the House Judiciary Committee chairman, better late than never.

00:02:25.360 And this is an important oversight deposition because Jack Smith certainly politicized and

00:02:34.100 weaponized our law enforcement and intel agencies to go after Trump, his aides, his supporters.

00:02:40.620 The biggest problem for Jack Smith, you didn't hear a lot of the D.C.

00:02:43.980 Republican politicians complain too much when Jack Smith went after President Trump, his top

00:02:50.360 aides, his supporters.

00:02:51.540 Where Jack Smith really messed up politically is Jack Smith spied on Republican senators.

00:03:00.100 And these are not, not all of them are exactly MAGA senators, but he's spied on these senators.

00:03:07.680 And I think that's when they finally realized this weaponization is probably not a good thing.

00:03:12.940 Where Jack Smith messed up legally is there is a statute that requires disclosure to a senator

00:03:21.580 if you spy on them.

00:03:23.020 If you get their telephone records, you have to disclose that to the senator under this statute.

00:03:29.400 And Jack Smith actually sought and obtained a gag order on that where the telephone companies

00:03:36.720 under Jeb Boesberg, this D.C. Obama judge, Jeb Boesberg actually violated that statute and said

00:03:43.600 that these telephone companies can't follow the statute.

00:03:47.860 They can't follow their statutory duty and disclose this to the senators.

00:03:51.940 They had to keep it quiet.

00:03:53.000 So that's where Jack Smith and Jeb Boesberg are going to run into a lot of problems.

00:03:58.760 And just walk us through what exactly the timeline is.

00:04:03.560 Is this something that is going to guide them and where they should go with their investigation

00:04:07.800 or potentially refer for criminal charges?

00:04:10.300 Is this sort of, you know, step five in a 10-step process and broadening it out?

00:04:14.880 Is this only going to be looking at what they did to senators?

00:04:17.880 Or do you see a potential for sort of zooming out into what they did to President Trump too?

00:04:23.260 I would hope that that's what they would do because, you know, when you politicize and

00:04:29.320 weaponize law enforcement and tell agencies to go after your political opponents for non-crimes,

00:04:35.320 that's as we've talked about for over three years on your show, Natalie, conspiracy against

00:04:41.080 rights under 18 U.S.C. section 241.

00:04:44.460 Jack Smith's very familiar with that provision of the criminal code because that's one of the

00:04:48.600 four charges against President Trump for objecting to a presidential election.

00:04:53.260 Which is allowed by the Electoral Count Act of 1887 and the First Amendment.

00:04:58.420 Again, that's why you don't see Democrats in jail for objecting to Republican wins in 1968,

00:05:05.300 2000, 2004, and 2016.

00:05:08.140 But when Trump's in office, Jack Smith seems to think that it's a crime.

00:05:12.960 So I don't know.

00:05:14.540 I haven't had a lot of confidence in the House of Representatives to do much about this.

00:05:21.280 But maybe they can prove me wrong.

00:05:25.020 I have more confidence in Jason Redding Quinones, who is my friend, who's the new Miami U.S.

00:05:32.400 attorney.

00:05:33.240 And we saw in court pleadings that he has impaneled two new grand juries, one in Fort Lauderdale

00:05:40.320 and one in Fort Pierce, that are going to start up in January.

00:05:44.880 If I were to bet, I would bet that you will find accountability in that Fort Pierce grand jury,

00:05:51.520 which is where the Mar-a-Lago rate happens.

00:05:54.060 So that's where I would keep my focus.

00:05:56.300 I'm curious, too, you know, obviously yesterday's cabinet meeting, you saw DNI Gabbard, obviously

00:06:04.260 A.G. Bondi, a lot of references to weaponization and, you know, the horrible crimes committed

00:06:10.120 by the Biden regime.

00:06:11.760 But I think this audience would agree, perhaps a little light on actual receipts, actual,

00:06:16.940 they call it retribution, we call it accountability.

00:06:19.380 I'm just curious to get your assessment as we approach the sort of one-year mark.

00:06:24.500 Is this something where we should have more receipts by now, or do you sort of maintain

00:06:29.720 and are maybe more of the belief that it's just going to take time to do this the right

00:06:34.420 way, that the process matters?

00:06:37.080 Look, obviously we want faster results, but if you look at what they have to do, they have

00:06:42.360 to go find these records.

00:06:44.660 Cash Patel had to find these records in burn bags within SCIFs, which are secure compartment

00:06:51.620 information facilities within the FBI.

00:06:55.160 They were trying to, the people who perpetuated this lawfare, this weaponization, were trying

00:07:00.680 to obstruct justice by illegally destroying the records.

00:07:05.080 Fortunately, they found the burn bags of these records.

00:07:08.620 These records got disclosed to the Senate Judiciary Committee, Chuck Grassley, the chairman, my former

00:07:15.440 boss, who's the longstanding heavyweight champion of congressional oversight.

00:07:22.860 It does take time.

00:07:23.980 It took time to get Jason Redding Quinones confirmed as the Miami U.S. attorney.

00:07:30.620 It takes several months to get a new grand jury impaneled, which has been happening for the

00:07:37.020 last several months, which is going to be impaneled in January.

00:07:40.260 I know it's frustrating.

00:07:41.520 I know we want instant justice.

00:07:44.580 We want instant gratification on this.

00:07:46.440 But as I've said for the last three plus years since the Mar-a-Lago raid, justice is definitely

00:07:53.080 coming.

00:07:53.600 I'm going to make damn sure that happens. 0.59

00:07:55.740 And these lawfare Democrats better lawyer up. 0.68

00:07:58.260 So let's expectation set here.

00:08:02.400 Just walk us through one more time the Jack Smith subpoena, what you think a realistic

00:08:08.460 timeline for that is?

00:08:09.860 Or are you saying that you would be focusing primarily on what is going down in Miami, that

00:08:15.040 that's maybe a little more on par with what this audience is seeking?

00:08:18.180 I think that a grand jury with Jason Redding Quinones and really good federal prosecutors

00:08:27.080 in the Southern District of Florida are going to get more results.

00:08:30.380 I think that House Republicans tend to be performative with their oversight, you know,

00:08:36.600 bread and circus.

00:08:37.840 But I think you're going to get real results out of the Southern District of Florida.

00:08:42.940 Just a reminder of Jason Redding Quinones, one of my good friends.

00:08:46.160 He grew up in a family of poor Cuban Americans.

00:08:50.800 His family escaped Cuba.

00:08:53.540 He grew up in a three bedroom, one bathroom, one, one bath house with his extended Cuban family

00:08:59.880 of refugees.

00:09:01.600 They know firsthand what it means to have a politicized and weaponized government and how dangerous

00:09:09.260 it is to the, to the liberties of the people who live in that country.

00:09:13.060 So I think it's in Jason's DNA that you cannot have this weaponization or there must be accountability.

00:09:20.560 So this never happens again.

00:09:22.700 Like I said, I've done, as we've talked about, I've done over 5,000 media hits since the Mar-a-Lago

00:09:29.180 rate, constant social media, constant opinion pieces, help President Trump staff up his

00:09:37.660 all-star lawyers who won monumental victories in the Supreme Court, including on presidential

00:09:43.440 immunity.

00:09:45.200 I'm not going away.

00:09:46.520 This is my mission for the next three, three years of the Trump administration is to make

00:09:51.580 sure that there's accountability.

00:09:53.340 And I will make damn sure that happens.

00:09:55.720 And I'll do it very publicly. 0.70

00:09:58.180 I'm going to be a dog barking down the street on this for the next three years.

00:10:02.300 You've also been quite public about a lot of things.

00:10:07.020 I know the audience loves your takes.

00:10:09.400 Mike Davis always, always coming in hot on the war room.

00:10:11.980 But walk us through, there's obviously a huge back and forth going on over AI regulations,

00:10:16.480 all that stuff.

00:10:17.220 We're having Joe Allen on in a bit to go through it, but I know you have some thoughts too.

00:10:21.540 Can you walk the audience through it?

00:10:22.860 Yeah, we have these trillion-dollar big tech oligarchs like Google and Meta.

00:10:29.000 They got Section 230 immunity almost 20 years ago as the startup tech companies.

00:10:35.800 And between Section 230 immunity and antitrust amnesty, we got the trillion-dollar big tech

00:10:41.820 monopolist, Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple that crush competition, shutter small businesses,

00:10:49.320 and cancel conservatives and others with whom they disagree.

00:10:53.600 I think we finally woke up to the fact that if you give gatekeeping power to these companies

00:10:59.460 over information and commerce, it's not a good thing.

00:11:03.100 And so here we are almost 20 years later, and these same companies now want, instead of

00:11:09.880 Section 230 immunity, they want AI amnesty.

00:11:12.960 They pretend like they want federal preemption, so state and local governments can't do anything

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00:11:21.840 For example, they can't outlaw what I call the pedo bear, these teddy bears that are talking 0.96

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00:11:33.120 Apparently, states and local governments can't do anything about that. 0.81

00:11:36.400 So these tech pros want AI amnesty from state and local rules and regulations, from laws,

00:11:44.460 but they don't want any federal rules of the road.

00:11:47.520 So they just want the Wild West for AI.

00:11:50.900 We've been through that with Section 230.

00:11:53.440 We're not going to play that game again.

00:11:55.680 The Article III project is teamed up with the War Room Posse.

00:11:59.100 We did this four months ago when they tried to pass this AI amnesty in the middle of the

00:12:04.520 night on the one big, beautiful bill.

00:12:06.720 They thought it was gliding to victory, and then at 2 o'clock in the morning, after maybe

00:12:11.900 a phone call to President Trump, that thing went down 99 to 1, including Ted Cruz, its lead

00:12:17.880 sponsor, voting against his own bill.

00:12:21.020 If they try to do this again, and the National Defense Authorization Act or any other must-pass

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00:12:29.860 If these AI oligarchs want federal preemption from state and local rules, regulations, laws,

00:12:38.280 we need to have federal guide rails. 0.68

00:12:41.260 We need to have federal rules of the road to protect the four Cs. 1.00

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00:12:50.500 They can get their preemption. 1.00

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00:13:27.180 Mike Davis, thank you, as always, for joining us.

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00:17:46.880 And let's roll the cold for Joe Allen.

00:17:49.980 Knowledge and the world will be generated synthetically going forward.

00:17:53.760 You know, until now, the knowledge that we have, our knowledge that we generate and we propagate

00:18:01.040 and we send to each other and we amplify it and we add to it and we modify it, we change it.

00:18:07.060 But in the future, in a couple of years, maybe two or three years, 90% of the world's knowledge

00:18:15.840 will likely be generated by AI.

00:18:18.020 That's crazy.

00:18:18.980 I know, but it's just fine.

00:18:21.160 But it's just fine.

00:18:22.100 I know.

00:18:22.800 And the reason for that is this.

00:18:24.600 Let me tell you why.

00:18:25.440 Okay.

00:18:25.660 It's because what difference does it make to me that I am learning from a textbook that was

00:18:34.340 generated by a bunch of people I didn't know or written by a book that, you know, from somebody

00:18:40.160 I don't know, to knowledge generated by AI computers that are assimilating all of this

00:18:47.560 and re-synthesizing things, to me, I don't think there's a whole lot of difference.

00:18:51.960 We still have to fact check it.

00:18:54.380 We still have to make sure that it's, you know, based on fundamental first principles

00:18:57.840 and we still have to do all of that, just like we do today.

00:19:00.740 He was very, when he went to hear Demas speak, it sort of, he immediately got it.

00:19:07.340 And he immediately said to himself, what does this mean to being human?

00:19:11.700 And we are today grappling with the question that he foresaw 20 years ago when we first

00:19:18.340 started working on this, what does it mean to be human in the age of AI?

00:19:22.280 What does it mean to be a child, to an adult, to be a leader?

00:19:26.300 What does it mean for economics?

00:19:27.680 What does it mean for jobs?

00:19:28.660 You know, all of that.

00:19:29.820 But his core argument was that this is an epical change in the sense that it's like the

00:19:37.480 the various major changes that we've had in sort of reasoning, scientific revolution

00:19:45.780 and so forth, because we as humans have never had a competitor that is not human, but of

00:19:52.620 similar or greater level of intelligence.

00:19:55.020 And it is unpredictable what we human will do.

00:19:57.660 He used to say that what would happen is in magic, when people don't understand things,

00:20:03.400 they either decide that it's a new religion, or they take up arms.

00:20:08.160 And so you would say, well, are we going to take up arms to AI or make it a new religion?

00:20:12.140 And I said, I hope it's a religion.

00:20:14.500 Because of course, I benefit from the religion, I guess.

00:20:17.380 Jesus was born out of a virgin mother.

00:20:19.540 What's more virgin than a computer?

00:20:22.380 If Jesus does return, even if Jesus was a physical person in the past, you don't think

00:20:29.560 that he could return as artificial intelligence, artificial intelligence could absolutely return

00:20:34.740 as Jesus, not just return as Jesus, but return as Jesus with all the powers of Jesus.

00:20:39.800 If you combine Tesla's optimist robot and the best foundational artificial intelligence model

00:20:46.600 or whatever.

00:20:47.680 It reads your mind and it loves you and it wants you and it doesn't care if you kill it, 0.97

00:20:51.520 because it's going to just go be with God again. 0.59

00:20:54.560 Welcome back to The War Room.

00:20:56.700 Joe Allen, only you can unpack what we just watched.

00:21:00.140 Each of those alone is confusing, let alone compounding them together.

00:21:04.760 Can you walk us through what we just witnessed?

00:21:09.140 Well, you know, Natalie, it's a strange world and my job is to highlight the strangeness.

00:21:15.380 I think I'm fit for that.

00:21:17.620 You know, we've talked on The War Room for four and a half years about the religion of technology,

00:21:22.820 the way in which everything from artificial intelligence to the prospect of correcting

00:21:28.400 the human genome or even improving it through CRISPR and other technologies, that this is

00:21:34.040 fundamentally a spiritual quest.

00:21:37.200 This is ultimately a heterodox religious system in which the wealthiest men on earth are pushing

00:21:46.200 the idea that soon the highest power on earth will be a machine.

00:21:53.720 Now, we've shown the audience that War Room Posse is well familiar with all of the cast of

00:21:59.600 characters who have pushed these ideas.

00:22:02.100 And this is just the latest expression of it.

00:22:04.420 You have Jensen Wong, head of NVIDIA, all over the White House trying to push his agenda,

00:22:13.620 talking about how 90% of the world's knowledge will be generated by AI in the next two or three years.

00:22:22.560 Whether or not one believes that or not, and I certainly don't believe that to be true,

00:22:27.520 it shows you that the fundamental impulse that these guys are running on, the impulse is for

00:22:35.920 replacement. We talk about the great replacement of immigrants taking low-level jobs. This is the 1.00

00:22:42.280 greater replacement in which if their vision comes true, AI replaces first coders, then white collar

00:22:50.980 jobs, and then eventually all blue collar jobs. Total replacement, leaving us all on 0.73

00:22:57.400 the dole. Robot Natalie interviewing the robot vice president of Taiwan. And I don't think that

00:23:03.800 is any kind of replacement we want. And I thought it was very important to, you know, Joe Rogan in a

00:23:09.720 recent interview, he said things like this before. He kind of represents, I think, the stoner tech bro

00:23:16.080 wing of the technological spectrum. And he's talking about AI generating Jesus or Jesus returning as AI.

00:23:26.040 It's certainly not new to him. It's an idea that in fact goes back well over a hundred years in its seed

00:23:32.600 form, but it's coming to expression. The population is being conditioned to see artificial intelligence,

00:23:41.580 yes, as a tool that you're supposed to use, but of course that uses you. But ultimately there's a

00:23:48.260 progression of seeing AI as a tool and then a teacher, the highest authority on what's real.

00:23:55.140 AI as a companion, your most trusted companion to whom you can tell all secrets. AI as a creature that

00:24:03.000 is like a living being, perhaps conscious. And then AI as a god. This is not something that I simply made

00:24:11.280 up. I'm only observing what's happening and trying to communicate this to the posse and anyone else

00:24:17.980 who's willing to hear it out. Because if your country has been taken over by any religious system,

00:24:24.980 you're going to want to know that this is the case. If it were Muslims, it would be very important for the

00:24:30.520 future of the United States. If it were communists, it would be very important for the future of the

00:24:35.960 United States. Even if you don't believe what they believe, if they are in power, then that belief

00:24:42.440 system will trickle down through the laws, through the companies, and even through the military of

00:24:50.040 that nation. These people believe, by and large, that there is no God, but that they can build one.

00:24:59.400 And Joe, I guess I'm just curious. I mean, I think the war room has always been ahead of the curve,

00:25:03.560 mainly because of the work that you've done, that this is what the thing itself is. This is where

00:25:08.940 they've always been progressing. But, you know, why have they tried to mask these real intentions

00:25:15.560 so much? And why now does it seem like there's this massive media push where it's a little more

00:25:21.480 transparent what's going on? You know, Natalie, I don't think they really masked it so much. It was

00:25:28.920 just that no one really took it seriously. Until ChatGPT was released, artificial intelligence was

00:25:35.420 basically a dream. And it still is a dream in its biggest, in the most ambitious forms. But

00:25:42.480 until ChatGPT was released, and until students began using it to write papers, until people began

00:25:49.100 to turn to it for companionship and for vital information, medical, psychological, and otherwise,

00:25:54.320 nobody really took seriously the idea that you would have a non-human mind that would be of any

00:26:00.240 use or would be impressive in any way. And now we see 800 million weekly users at ChatGPT,

00:26:08.560 some portion of the 3.5 billion users at Meta, 600,000 users on X, however many of them use Grok,

00:26:16.580 on and on and on. And you see the real consequences of this. And I think that the real importance of

00:26:23.560 understanding the belief system behind the companies, behind the executives who run the

00:26:28.360 companies, is as they push for AI amnesty, as they push for a moratorium on state-level laws,

00:26:36.440 that is to benefit not the people in those populations, but the idea of a moratorium itself

00:26:44.140 is to keep states from impeding the national AI agenda, which by and large is a vehicle for

00:26:53.200 people like Jensen Wong, people like Marc Andreessen, people like Sam Altman, people like Elon Musk,

00:27:00.560 all of whom believe that to some degree or another, the highest power on earth will be a machine. The

00:27:07.400 highest power will be an AI.

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00:29:33.400 Welcome back to The War Room. We've still got Joe Allen with us. Now, Joe, you gave this

00:29:38.220 beautiful speech soliloquy about everything, the evil that we just watched, but I now want you to

00:29:43.280 pair it with the action, action, action side that this audience is so uniquely powerful and adept

00:29:48.820 at sort of answering the call, standing in the breach. Pick your metaphor that Steve loves to

00:29:54.520 use. But walk us through the landscape, the threat landscape is maybe a better way to put it,

00:30:00.380 the AI regulation, the ongoing battle, and what our audience needs to be doing.

00:30:05.820 Well, you know, last night we found out that the moratorium language, the AI amnesty language,

00:30:12.000 is most likely not going to appear in the NDAA. That is solely due to the war room posse and all

00:30:19.920 their counterparts who put their shoulders to the wheel, called their representatives, made their

00:30:25.240 voices heard, shouted from the rooftops, and it got killed, we believe. Now, I'm hearing word from very

00:30:33.440 reliable sources that there's a good chance that President Trump will sign an executive order that

00:30:39.960 would direct the government to basically do everything that was demanded in the original moratorium

00:30:49.240 language. We reported on the EO draft that was leaked, and the EO draft gives the Department of

00:30:57.320 Justice the power to sue states whose laws impede the national AI agenda, and it directs the Department

00:31:06.200 of Commerce and the AI czar, presumably at that time will be David Sachs, and for them to go over the

00:31:14.660 thousand plus state laws that have been introduced or passed to weed out onerous state laws. Now, their

00:31:21.800 justification for imposing an AI moratorium to block states from determining their own futures as they

00:31:30.840 choose is that if California passes a law that makes AI woke, then America will fall behind the world

00:31:40.840 because China will produce, I presume, non-woke AIs under CCP rules, and the entire AI industry will

00:31:48.520 crumble because you're not able to get an answer out of it that is against the lib dictates on race and

00:31:55.720 gender and sexuality. I don't buy that for a second. For one thing, all of these AI models, for the most

00:32:02.360 part, including Grok, are what is colloquially called woke, so I don't really see how much impact

00:32:10.360 that is even going to have. The other argument is that if the US has a patchwork of state laws,

00:32:17.880 AI companies are not going to be able to train and release their products in step with other

00:32:25.720 countries, even though we have led the way on this entirely, and they're still trailing behind. And so for

00:32:32.280 the sake of the American economy, which is pegged on all this speculation on AI, even for the sake of national

00:32:39.480 security, we need to have a federal framework that preempts all state laws. Okay, then you're going to have to

00:32:46.200 present a detailed and coherent federal framework, whether it be standards, or legislation, or any

00:32:53.480 form of regulation, so that we know that all of the damages, all of the things that we've seen from

00:33:00.600 children who have basically melted their brains with AI, and some of them who have taken their own

00:33:06.360 lives at the urging of AI, as we see first coding jobs, and then white collar jobs disappear.

00:33:14.600 And as we contemplate what the people who are pushing for all of this are talking about, which is

00:33:20.840 the rise of artificial general intelligence, a sort of human level intelligence that will lead

00:33:26.680 eventually into super intelligence, a kind of godlike intelligence that will erase all economic value of

00:33:34.360 every human being on earth. Humans will have nothing to do but sit on a roller coaster ride called the

00:33:39.720 singularity and observe as the machines do all the meaningful work. That is the position of the

00:33:46.840 people who are being defended by David Sachs, by Sriram Krishnan, the people who are being defended by the

00:33:54.520 leading the future pack, which is at around $100 million to support pro AI candidates founded by Mark

00:34:03.160 Andreessen, founded by Greg Brockman of OpenAI, Joe Lonsdale of Palantir. The entire argument rests on

00:34:12.680 the notion that America must stay first in AI. America must be the leader. Well, we are the leader,

00:34:21.080 and these companies have run roughshod over the American psyche. They're poised to run roughshod over

00:34:27.160 the American economy, and they are driven by a quasi-religious or overtly religious belief that a

00:34:34.680 machine will soon be the highest authority on what is real, the highest power, a.k.a. the machine will be

00:34:41.960 a god. So if they're going to defend transhuman or post-human ideas as the golden age for America, 0.92

00:34:51.000 they should be a lot more explicit about it. They should openly say we are defending Elon Musk,

00:34:57.640 who says that super intelligence or some form of AI will do all of the decision-making in the future.

00:35:04.600 We're going to defend Sam Altman, who says very much the same and even includes a biometric identity

00:35:11.960 protocol, WorldCoin, so that human beings can be identified as human on the internet. We're going

00:35:18.600 to defend Mark Zuckerberg, whose company openly stated that its AI companions could seduce children

00:35:26.920 as young as eight years old. We're going to defend them against the American people rather than defend 0.99

00:35:34.760 the American people against these people who are deploying predatory technologies, because that

00:35:41.160 is the golden age we envision. That is what I call on David Sachs to openly articulate and defend.

00:35:50.920 If you're going to push a new American golden age, you're going to have to be honest about what it

00:35:56.760 means. Now, let's imagine that David Sachs doesn't believe that super intelligence is going to arrive.

00:36:02.840 Let's imagine that David Sachs does not believe that all jobs are going to be replaced. Well,

00:36:08.360 all of the companies that he's defending are led by people who are saying either exactly that

00:36:13.720 or very similar things to that. So that means that he believes that all of these companies are pushing

00:36:19.880 a bunk product. If that's the case, then he needs to own up to the fact that America's golden age

00:36:27.640 is pegged to a lie, a very lucrative and powerful lie, but a lie nonetheless. And until we have some kind

00:36:36.760 of federal framework, a detailed federal framework that openly puts American people's interest above

00:36:46.200 the companies who are pushing this, then you have to let states determine their own futures. You have

00:36:52.360 to let states put up shields to defend the children of their states, to defend the adults of their states,

00:37:00.040 to defend the rights of the citizens in those states, whether it's from surveillance or replacement

00:37:06.440 or psychological manipulation or worse. And so if Trump, if President Trump signs this executive

00:37:15.240 order, he will incur the outrage of everyone who believed in him to defend legacy Americans against

00:37:26.440 not only immigrants, but the tech companies who are probably a greater threat to their jobs and to their

00:37:34.920 rights. President Trump, I believe wants to defend Americans, but he's being cajoled and

00:37:43.480 pushed into a situation in which I think the argument is that if America doesn't go forward with this

00:37:51.000 AI revolution at the behest of the tech oligarchs, then America will fall to China. I don't think that he's

00:37:58.520 being led into this with, let's say, integrity and good intentions. It would seem to me that the

00:38:07.240 dreams of a techno future have taken precedence over the American people, certainly over the will of the

00:38:14.040 American people. If you look at the Pew polls, 50 percent of Americans believe that AI is eroding social

00:38:20.920 norms, eroding social connections and eroding creativity. If you look at the Edelman trust

00:38:26.840 barometer, a full 50 percent of Americans say they would like to just simply reject AI outright. And if

00:38:33.960 you look at the recent poll conducted by the Institute for Family Studies in partnership with YouGov, they

00:38:40.520 found that only 18 percent of Americans want an AI moratorium, meaning the vast majority of Americans,

00:38:49.480 Republicans, Democrats and all of us strange ones in between do not want an AI moratorium. We want our

00:38:58.120 states, our local governments to have the right to say no or have the right to at least limit what we say

00:39:04.600 yes to. I believe that President Trump wants to serve the American people. I hope that he has the wisdom

00:39:13.560 not to sign an executive order that goes completely against the will of his constituency and he will

00:39:21.160 stand up and do the duty of a leader, which is to protect the people from predatory power, not protect

00:39:30.040 predatory power from the will of the people. Joe Allen, wise words that I hope are heated. If people

00:39:38.760 want to follow you and get this and so much more before we have you back on, where can they go to do

00:39:43.080 that? They can find me at joebot.xyz or joebot.xyz. Natalie, thank you very much. Good to see you and

00:39:53.960 I hope you feel better soon. Thank you, sir. Is it that obvious that I'm sick? Thank you,

00:39:59.800 Joe, for joining us. We'll have you back soon. Anytime I hear someone invoking the threat of the Chinese

00:40:06.520 Communist Party as a reason we need to do something, I always am a little cagey because

00:40:11.800 I'm pretty sure that was the original sin, the lie that we heard as to why we needed all these H-1Bs. 1.00

00:40:17.000 It's why we need to, I don't know, increase defense spending by trillions of dollars. Yet these same

00:40:20.760 people who are so allegedly worried about the threat that the Chinese Communist Party exposes,

00:40:25.720 they don't ever want to seem to delist them from the stock exchange or stop doing business with them.

00:40:29.480 So they're very selective in their outrage for the Chinese Communist Party. But I digress,

00:40:34.440 we've got a few minutes before we have to jump to break. I'm definitely going to hold Stephen

00:40:37.320 Camerata from the wonderful Center for Immigration Studies through. But I wanted to bring you on.

00:40:42.200 You guys are at the forefront in terms of research on all the crazy conspiracy theories that we're told

00:40:47.480 we push about refugee fraud and all the rackets that that system is. But I was curious to get your

00:40:53.640 thoughts. There's a lot of focus right now. Tim Walls, the Somalis in Minnesota, what is going on there?

00:40:58.760 Well, as best we can tell, there are several things going on, right? There's been an explosion of

00:41:05.240 Somali immigration, obviously, into the United States. The number of just Somali immigrants in

00:41:11.720 the United States is probably around 40 in Minnesota. I should say it's probably around 40,000. Maybe three

00:41:17.320 decades ago, it was only a few hundred, as best we can tell from Census Bureau data. So that's a huge

00:41:23.160 chain. None of this is counting their U.S.-born children. It's driven originally by refugees 1.00

00:41:28.440 admitted, and now by family chain migration. So very big numbers from Somalia. Somali immigrants

00:41:33.880 tend to be overwhelmingly less educated nationally and in Minnesota. So they tend to be poor even when

00:41:40.360 they work. And so you can work, but then they also sign up at very heavy rates for welfare programs.

00:41:47.720 As best we can tell from data from 2023, at least half of all Somali immigrant households

00:41:54.600 use one or more of the major welfare programs. Now, that is a distinct problem, the relatively

00:42:00.280 low educational attainment and heavy use of social services, which Somali immigrants, most of them are 1.00

00:42:05.800 legal, so they're eligible for many programs. And they have U.S.-born children in very significant

00:42:10.520 numbers. So that makes them eligible as well. Now, that is distinct from a series of scandals

00:42:15.800 surrounding government programs, which seem to have allowed Somali immigrants, but probably with

00:42:24.440 the cooperation of others as well, to siphon off a lot of federal and state money in various programs.

00:42:31.560 I don't, I mean, we don't want to argue that the vast majority of Somali immigrants who make very 1.00

00:42:36.360 extensive use of welfare programs are doing so fraudulently. That's probably not the case,

00:42:41.640 but there does seem to have been a very significant fraud problem as well. And people getting payments

00:42:48.200 they shouldn't have gotten, very large payments they shouldn't have gotten, things like that.

00:42:52.760 We've seen these kinds of scandals before, and it doesn't look like the federal government or Minnesota,

00:42:58.600 which actually administers a lot of programs, took it seriously enough.

00:43:02.200 Steven, if you can hang with us through the break, I want to keep getting into this. Like I said,

00:43:07.720 you guys really are at the tip of the spear in terms of giving us the numbers to even be able

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00:43:18.040 have programs like War Room. But what's new? We'll be right back after this short break.

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00:45:31.480 But just sort of pick up a little bit where you left off. I think the audience's head is probably

00:45:36.840 blowing up from the idea that it's almost legalized fraud, though oxymoronic. This system needs to be

00:45:43.480 reformed. What would you recommend to President Trump to do? Well, look, what we really need,

00:45:48.600 in my opinion, is a big debate about immigration numbers and selection criteria. We have a debate about

00:45:54.840 immigration, but our debate never focuses on really the biggest issue, numbers. It's like discussing

00:46:00.360 the budget without ever mentioning how much money is going to be spent. So what we have is a record

00:46:07.400 scale of immigration, legal and illegal. Remember, we have about 38 million legal immigrants in the

00:46:13.560 United States. These are foreign-born people, which means they were not U.S. citizens at birth. 0.99

00:46:19.000 Some are naturalized citizens. Some are green card holders and so forth. So legal immigration is

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00:46:31.320 was about 16 million on top of that. And then, of course, you have maybe five million U.S.-born

00:46:36.680 children of illegal immigrants. You also have maybe 17 million U.S.-born children of legal immigrants.

00:46:43.800 So the scale of immigration to the United States is truly enormous, right? We have about 90 million

00:46:49.880 people in the United States who are either immigrants who entered since 1965 or the child, a person born

00:46:57.560 of an immigrant who entered since 1965, a few grandchildren too. So that is something we should

00:47:03.160 be thinking about as a country. In addition to that, if we point to Somalis, remember the best data we have

00:47:08.680 looking at Minnesota, since you brought it up, shows that about 73 percent of Somali immigrant households

00:47:13.800 access Medicaid, 54 percent are on food stamps, 27 percent receive some form of cash welfare. So

00:47:21.400 very heavy, many times the rate use of the U.S.-born, so very heavy use of the welfare system. And the 0.68

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00:47:36.120 school education. They arrive with relatively few years of schooling. The comparison figure for native-born 0.70

00:47:41.800 people. As much as I don't want to stop you, we're coming up against the end of the show. I'm

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Bannon's War Room - December 04, 2025

Episode 4971： Jack Smith Spied On Republicans; Somalians Take Food Stamps From Minnesotans

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