Bannon's War Room - Episode 4977： Ending Birthright Citizenship; MAGA Takes The Pentagon

00:00:00.000 and you don't have the major American newspapers in there and he actually thought he thought he

00:00:07.420 could get away with it he thought he could get away with with doing whatever he wanted to do

00:00:12.700 inside the Pentagon because he has a news he has a news source run by a Chinese religious cult 0.85

00:00:19.560 reporting on him instead of the Wall Street Journal. Laura Loomer has a desk in the press

00:00:25.540 room at the Pentagon now not the Washington Post Washington Post delivering these stories.

00:00:30.800 I do want to talk about some of the legacy platforms that I've long been a critic of

00:00:35.060 I'll start with the F-35 they cost about a hundred million dollars a copy what percentage of the F-35

00:00:41.120 are fully mission capable today? So that's a great question man and I appreciate you getting after

00:00:48.080 it because not enough not enough it is the most capable fighter that we have right now when it

00:00:53.300 flies when it flies you're right it is the most capable fighter what we have right now and you

00:00:58.420 saw last just last month in the acquisition speech is a department and leadership that's willing to

00:01:03.620 get after it to challenge industry to produce better. Yeah but what percentage of them can fly?

00:01:09.660 So not enough not enough. So yeah but you just called it our most capable platform and less than

00:01:15.860 40 percent of them by my last review of the Air Force's statements are fully mission capable. Why is it

00:01:22.520 not failure for a platform to perform at less than 40 percent when it costs a hundred million dollars?

00:01:29.160 So Matt looking at it holistically sure you can throw out the number 40 percent but when you look

00:01:33.960 at Operation Midnight Hammer, Operation Rough Rider. Those weren't after F-35 was not was not delivering

00:01:39.480 the payload on Midnight Hammer. But they were supporting right and so those B2s wouldn't have gotten 0.98

00:01:44.680 there without that the airplane. What would have stopped them? There are plenty of surface-to-air missile

00:01:51.080 systems that the Iranians have we know that. Did they shoot any of them? No they didn't because we were 0.99

00:01:56.760 so successful and we that platform the F-35 is an amazing platform that can go after these systems. It is

00:02:04.280 the most capable platform we have Matt and what we're doing right now is we have a plan to get to 80

00:02:10.280 percent mission capable rates by 2030 and what you know. And if you don't what will be the accountability

00:02:16.120 for Lockheed Martin? So we are holding Lockheed Martin to task each and every day. The Deputy Secretary

00:02:22.600 of War and Mike Duffy the Undersecretary for Acquisitions Statement is meeting with Lockheed Martin

00:02:29.320 almost weekly. Because they have the full system performance contract. There's no other contractor

00:02:34.280 that's doing system performance work as a prime on the F-35 right? That's correct. And Lockheed built

00:02:40.600 them. So Lockheed built them. Lockheed maintains them. Have they had any consequence for not being

00:02:45.480 able to put more than 40 percent of them in full mission capability? Absolutely. And under this

00:02:51.320 administration, under President Trump's administration, they are being held to task. The

00:02:55.880 previous administration, it was a joke. So what are the consequences? So the consequences are they're here,

00:03:00.840 they're here in the building each and every day. Contracts are being evaluated and re-evaluated.

00:03:06.120 We are not just looking at how many aircraft are we buying, but we're looking at parts,

00:03:10.920 sustainment, reliability of the aircraft. We're picking and choosing. We have actually smart people

00:03:17.480 who are getting after it right now to buy the right parts to make sure the aircraft are up and meeting the

00:03:23.480 mission capable ratings that you are asking for. You're right. You're right. What you have been pushing

00:03:29.160 is the exact right thing. What you didn't have was an administration that wanted to get after.

00:03:34.120 This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on

00:03:45.080 these people. Here's the time I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. The

00:03:51.240 people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything

00:03:55.480 in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like

00:03:59.240 that go to share the big line? Mega Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a

00:04:07.480 conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country,

00:04:15.560 this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

00:04:21.960 Welcome to the War Room. It's Friday, December 5th in the year of our Lord 2025. Natalie Winter's

00:04:32.900 hosting today. We've got a packed show for you. Don't go anywhere. We've got Mike Davis, Joe Allen,

00:04:39.000 Bradley Thayer, but we're going to start, frankly, where I think most shows, if you look where they

00:04:44.560 are really talking about the issues that they're really getting into, it's where we always do. It's

00:04:48.160 the Pentagon. Some wonderful accountability, or I guess at least attempted accountability there

00:04:53.600 coming from, of course, War Room favorite, former Congressman Matt Gaetz. I wanted to invite a

00:04:59.420 member, I'm sure you guys have seen by now, the new Pentagon press corps. I'm obviously part of the

00:05:04.340 White House one, but now the Pentagon has its own, I guess, after they kicked out everyone from the

00:05:09.800 mainstream press, they replaced them with people who I think are doing a much fairer job, or at least

00:05:15.820 asking the questions that you guys probably care more about, like we saw in that exchange.

00:05:21.040 Brianna Morello, the intrepid Brianna Morello, you have so much going on. You've got so many shows.

00:05:27.080 You've got so many websites that you're always contributing to. You're always breaking stories.

00:05:30.260 It's an honor to have you on with us. I don't know how you have the time to also be at the Pentagon,

00:05:34.780 but I know you've been there. You've been to the briefings. You've been interviewing some officials

00:05:38.940 yourself. Before we get into your experience there, there's some interesting lawsuits being filed

00:05:43.920 by the New York Times. Obviously, you guys are getting criticized as being sycophants.

00:05:48.740 I'm curious your thoughts on that exchange that we just witnessed. Who exactly was Congressman

00:05:54.340 Gates interviewing? And I don't know if that's necessarily accountability, but what exactly did

00:06:00.940 we witness?

00:06:03.140 Matt Gates was trying to grill an individual who I believe was involved in the Lloyd Austin

00:06:07.220 Pentagon himself. It was quite interesting. I was actually off to the side for a little bit,

00:06:13.920 trying to eavesdrop into that conversation. And it did get very heated. But the reality

00:06:19.600 of it is, is Matt Gates seems to know what he's talking about. And although the media was

00:06:23.120 very critical of Gates being there, he knows the questions. He knows how to ask these questions

00:06:29.420 and he knows how to grill them on all things related to that. So when it comes to equipment

00:06:33.340 and government spending, I think that's really core to Matt Gates. Matt Gates is understanding

00:06:38.620 his core mission. And it was interesting to sit back and watch because he was making

00:06:43.500 arguments that I think I was very unaware of. And I think the American people want to learn more

00:06:49.220 about. So it was interesting to see. Now, that individual, too, keep in mind, is someone who was

00:06:55.100 called into question during that leaking story where there was three leakers who were apparently tossed

00:06:59.400 out of the Pentagon who were, I think, conservative. And so this best this individual's name was kind

00:07:06.600 of floated around and and as possibly a person who was pushing for that, pushing these three

00:07:12.520 individuals out of the Pentagon. So it was interesting to sit back and kind of watch Gates go to work

00:07:16.840 there. Not much to say, though. I couldn't really tell. There was a bit of a stumble. Maybe he caught

00:07:21.720 him off guard, though, because Gates seems to be really informed on the matter.

00:07:24.300 Help me bridge the gap there. You started by saying that that was a Lloyd Austin, i.e.

00:07:32.380 Biden regime, as we call it here, holdover, who's also responsible for making personnel 0.85

00:07:38.540 decisions. I'm curious, using him maybe as an emblematic example of your firsthand experience there,

00:07:46.940 do you feel like everybody who is part of the secretary's team working, that it's working there,

00:07:52.400 is truly part of the America First agenda? Or how do we still have Biden? All right, I think we've

00:07:59.920 lost Brianna. We're going to try to reestablish a connection with her. If we have Mike Davis,

00:08:03.920 we'll go to Mike Davis. We got Mike. All right, we're going to go to Dr. Thayer. Dr. Thayer,

00:08:10.420 I was about to actually just invoke the new national security strategy of the Trump administration,

00:08:14.920 which I guess is a perfect segue for what I wanted to have you on to talk about. It's quite interesting

00:08:20.860 in that you see a very different presentation of China in terms of the ordered threat, how it's

00:08:26.440 described, more as an economic partner as opposed to the existential threat to the United States of

00:08:31.800 America. I'm curious to get your sort of top-line assessment of this document.

00:08:37.480 Hi, Natalie. It's great to see you again. My thoughts are these. First, all of these documents,

00:08:43.340 national security strategies are very important because of what they convey. They're signaling

00:08:48.940 the priorities and the principles of the Trump administration, of course, to the American

00:08:53.820 people, to Congress, to all of the department of agencies in the U.S. government, as well as our

00:08:59.640 friends and partners around the world and our enemies as well. Secondly, it's significant because

00:09:05.300 of its content, what's new about it. You referenced, of course, the changes really in the treatment of

00:09:13.940 China, which I think are very significant, as well as the emphasis that the document places on

00:09:21.220 the economic tool. Really, the Trump administration, since it's come into office,

00:09:28.540 has favored economics and employing economic strategy to advance its interests. And so you see

00:09:37.040 that with China. You see that with tariffs. You see that with investment in the United States.

00:09:45.060 And then additionally, the emphasis on the Western hemisphere, on re-industrialization and the

00:09:50.720 American worker. And to my mind, the most significant element, even more so than the piece on the

00:10:00.900 references to China, were the references to Europe's path. The fact that Europe cannot go on the way it

00:10:08.340 is and it needs to change course. It needs to regain its civilizational confidence if it's going to be

00:10:14.760 a valuable ally to the United States, but more so if the U.S. is going to be able to save Western

00:10:21.360 civilization in conjunction with the Europeans themselves. And that was a shot across the bow to 0.92

00:10:28.100 the European elite. And Natalie, as you know, who are hell-bent on doing everything they can do

00:10:33.980 to weaken Western civilization and to weaken their societies. So there's a lot in that document.

00:10:42.260 It's, again, very significant. It conveys a lot of the principles and messages that the Trump

00:10:47.280 administration seeks to. The warning to Europe, the emphasis on the economics, on trade with China, 0.73

00:10:55.080 of course, all are very important. Some of it, nobody's going to be satisfied with everything,

00:11:03.120 of course, in that document, but Leibniz is right, right? This is the best of all possible worlds,

00:11:07.580 so, you know, we're going to deal with the document as it is. So a very important document.

00:11:14.980 Dr. Thayer, that was a perfect tease because I want to hold you through a little bit and I really

00:11:19.120 want to drill down. I have some quotes I'm curious to get your assessment on specifically with regards

00:11:23.320 to Islam and jihad, those words not being in there, but also the Taiwan situation. I think

00:11:28.380 we reestablished connection with Brianna Morello. No conspiracies, no coincidences. I don't know,

00:11:33.500 Brianna, if you heard my question, but I was essentially getting at, you know, you articulated

00:11:37.940 that this individual who seems to be involved with some, you know, shenanigans that may have led to the

00:11:43.400 ousting of certain conservatives is also a Lloyd Austin, therefore Biden regime holdover. Do you get

00:11:51.800 the sense that there are a lot of issues like that plaguing, or can you just sort of walk our

00:11:55.280 audience through your firsthand experience with, with this sort of personnel issue there?

00:12:01.420 Well, that you saw Mac Gates communicating with, with Ricky Burra. Now this is an individual who

00:12:06.660 I've done reporting on previously about, there were several people over the Pentagon that were

00:12:10.860 deeply concerned because this was a Lloyd Austin hangover. This individual, when the leaker story

00:12:15.980 came out, this individual was someone who was then being moved up. And, uh, apparently according

00:12:22.460 to reports was being looked at to possibly be, uh, Pete Hegseth's, uh, chief of staff. Now this was a

00:12:28.460 move that the white house actually rejected and stepped in on and said that they would not allow

00:12:32.260 that to happen. But, uh, the secretary of war obviously wanted to make that happen and it was

00:12:37.440 rejected. Now internally, there were people who are deeply concerned about him. Uh, personally,

00:12:42.320 there were a lot of issues. They believed that the leakers, the three leakers that were named,

00:12:47.120 uh, were individuals who were just being pushed out based on their stance of the Ukrainian war

00:12:51.940 and that they truly, and I know Dan Caldwell's come on and spoken to Steve directly about the

00:12:56.120 allegations defacing, uh, but people that I've spoken to really believe that Ricky was key in all

00:13:00.540 of this. So although Ricky's not the chief of staff, oh, that was because of the white house

00:13:05.120 rejecting it completely. Uh, it's, it was interesting to sit back and see that exchange with Mac Gates.

00:13:10.920 Again, it was quite odd. Definitely. Well, we've got about a minute and a half before we have to

00:13:16.780 jump to break, but just talk a little bit about what exactly it is that you're doing

00:13:20.320 at the Pentagon right now. Gone. We're just asking simple questions. I know that the

00:13:25.880 corporate media was very upset that they got kicked. He didn't even get kicked out. I mean,

00:13:29.100 they self-deported and they refused to just acknowledge the rules of the press room, which

00:13:33.560 are basic rules. Natalie rules that you have to apply and abide by over at the white house as well.

00:13:38.540 You know, they were hiding their credentials according to those who worked at the Pentagon.

00:13:43.100 And so employees of the Pentagon had no idea they were talking to media. And so now you have

00:13:47.020 to clearly display who you are, uh, exactly by showing your, your press passes on you at all

00:13:52.320 times. Uh, so my goal is to cover the Pentagon, to cover what's going on internally over at the

00:13:57.120 Pentagon. You know, I've been critical of my current reports. I've got about four stories,

00:14:01.320 uh, kind of being a little harsh on the current leadership there. And they still allowed me in.

00:14:06.600 So all of the mainstream media likes to say that we're an echo chamber for MAGA.

00:14:09.960 It's completely false. We do challenge this current administration, the leadership at the

00:14:14.660 Pentagon. Uh, they just don't like that. So it'll be exciting to sit back and remotely go,

00:14:19.020 uh, to some of these briefings to actually physically go into the Pentagon for some of

00:14:22.660 these briefings. Uh, but again, this is team, this comms team, I have to say is probably one of

00:14:26.780 the best so far in the administration. They're highly responsive. I reached out earlier in the day

00:14:31.040 for comments and at deadline, they responded. That's something that other departments

00:14:35.040 truly struggle with. So I'll be excited to continue to cover.

00:14:39.580 Brianna, we are lucky to have you there. If you can hang with us through the break,

00:14:42.680 I want to ask you a little bit more about what's going on there. If the mainstream media is in

00:14:46.540 meltdown about it, then I think that's a telltale sign that it's probably good

00:14:50.380 for the country. We'll be right back. Dr. Thayer, Joe Allen, and Mike Davis after this short break.

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00:17:41.980 but then we're going to go back to Brianna. Mike Davis, there's some movement on all things

00:17:47.460 SCOTUS and birthright citizenship. You had a great piece in Fox a few months back and it seems like

00:17:52.460 that might be coming to fruition or at least the chance for it to be coming to fruition. Can you

00:17:57.020 walk us through the latest? Yeah, this is one of the most crucial decisions that the Supreme Court

00:18:03.080 will decide this upcoming term and it's the issue of birthright citizenship. On January 20th of this

00:18:12.020 year, President Trump's first day in office, he signed an executive order ordering his government

00:18:18.480 to not automatically grant birthright citizenship to people who are born in the United States. That is

00:18:27.540 a misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment. After the Civil War, we have the Civil War Amendments,

00:18:35.540 the 13th Amendment to free the slaves, the 14th Amendment to provide equal protection and due process

00:18:43.440 to the freed slaves, and the 15th Amendment to provide voting rights to the freed black male slaves.

00:18:50.780 That was extended to women with the 19th Amendment, but as part of the 14th Amendment, the ratifiers 1.00

00:18:58.320 wanted to guarantee birthright citizenship to the children of the freed slaves. So there's the

00:19:06.280 birthright citizenship provision in the 14th Amendment, which says that the children born to people

00:19:15.860 subject to the jurisdiction of the United States have birthright citizenship. And there is a clear legal

00:19:25.000 meaning. If you looked at the text and the original public meaning of subject to the jurisdiction of the

00:19:30.440 United States, that means people who are loyal to the United States. So people, for example, foreign

00:19:38.280 ambassadors kids do not get birthright citizenship. Foreign armies kids would not get 1.00

00:19:45.720 birthright citizenship. Birthright citizenship did not even apply to the children of American Indians

00:19:58.480 under the 14th Amendment. There is a Supreme Court ruling on that from over 100 years ago. So Congress

00:20:05.800 extended birthright citizenship to the children of American Indians by statutes. So you have to answer

00:20:13.740 this dispositive question for the Supreme Court. If American Indians' children did not have birthright

00:20:21.440 citizenship under the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, why the hell would the children of

00:20:27.540 illegal aliens? They just don't. If Congress wants to extend birthright citizenship to the children of 1.00

00:20:34.920 illegal aliens, Congress can do that through statute like Congress did for American Indians. And so that's 0.72

00:20:42.240 going to be the key issue for the Supreme Court to decide if they decide to actually decide the merits

00:20:47.840 of this case. And the Constitution is clear. The text is clear on subject to the jurisdiction. The

00:20:55.480 original public meaning is clear. And I guess it comes down to whether the Supreme Court has the courage

00:21:01.780 to follow the text and the public meaning, original public meaning of the 14th Amendment.

00:21:06.740 Mike Davis, thank you for breaking that down for us. We know you got to bounce. But in the meantime,

00:21:13.200 before we have you back on, where can people go to stay up to date with everything you're working on?

00:21:17.420 Thank you, Natalie. It's article3project.org, article3project.org. Follow us on social media,

00:21:23.800 donate, and then take action. Action, action, action. And thank you.

00:21:27.400 Thank you.

00:21:31.400 We've still got Brianna Morello with us. Brianna, before I let you go, I just wanted to have you

00:21:36.020 kind of pick up where you left off. The New York Times that I gather is suing to sort of get their

00:21:42.400 access back or at least say that everybody who's there are just a bunch of, you know,

00:21:46.960 Trump sycophants. I always call it kind of the horseshoe theory of opposition. You view yourself

00:21:51.760 probably the same way that I view myself of being at the White House to hold them account to the

00:21:55.820 promises that they made. The media just wants to point out that they're not following through all

00:21:59.120 those promises. So they hemorrhage voters in support and lie to the American people.

00:22:03.420 But how do you sort of push back on that idea? And what do you think about that lawsuit?

00:22:10.260 The New York Times actually did reach out to me, Natalie, prior to publishing or, I guess,

00:22:14.180 filing that lawsuit. They reached out to me back in October and specifically were asking me

00:22:18.860 questions that I had a feeling were slanted in one direction. They want to justify why

00:22:25.320 the rest of us are being let in while they all they opted out. I mean, they literally decided not

00:22:30.500 to abide and to acknowledge the rules that were given to them. It's not an agreement. It doesn't

00:22:35.740 waive your First Amendment rights. All it says is that you have read this and that you understand what

00:22:39.900 the rules are of the Pentagon and what's expected of you as a member of the media covering the

00:22:44.780 Pentagon. They're not going to ask you to only abide by the information that's handed down by the

00:22:50.660 press secretary, Kinsley Wilson or Sean Parnell, the spokesman. That's not what was asked of them.

00:22:57.540 And it's really interesting because I read it. I know others have published the agreement that they

00:23:02.280 just asked us to sign. Again, it doesn't waive your First Amendment rights. Now, here's the message

00:23:07.460 they asked me. They emailed me directly asking me questions that I thought were angled. And I

00:23:12.200 specifically outlined that there have been several instances in my coverage because they asked for all

00:23:16.260 my previous coverage of the Pentagon. I said in previous coverage under this leadership,

00:23:21.860 I have been critical of Pete Hegseth, the secretary of war. And in fact, they have still

00:23:29.040 granted me access in to the Pentagon to cover them. There's there's several stories that I've covered.

00:23:35.040 You know, we opened up talking about the official who was working under Lloyd Austin's administration.

00:23:38.940 Obviously, that was the big one. I know that ticked off a lot of leadership as well,

00:23:42.960 but it was truthful. I've criticized them on their business dealings with Qatar and meeting with 0.51

00:23:48.760 Qatar leadership. And I've criticized them over classifying the Vegas cyber truck explosion at

00:23:55.300 place outside of the Trump Hotel. I think it was January 1st. They classified the manifesto. So I

00:24:02.200 have been outspoken more than they all were under the Biden regime. If you remember, Lloyd Austin went

00:24:07.360 missing and the corporate media didn't hold any of them accountable, part of that administration. So

00:24:12.680 you know, they're going to sit here and push back. And you saw in that lawsuit, they dropped names.

00:24:16.800 They went after Laura Loomer. They went after James O'Keefe. They went after even Raheem Kassam,

00:24:22.720 who wasn't even there that day for the media that we were doing. They went after him. So they've gone

00:24:27.780 after a lot of people, but they particularly didn't put my name in there because they reached out to me

00:24:32.240 in October and I completely debunked their entire argument. And because they didn't have a rebuttal for it,

00:24:38.020 they left me out. So I think that there's going to be a massive victory for the Pentagon when they go to

00:24:43.840 court over this. I know I asked specifically the spokesman, Sean Parnell, his reaction to the lawsuit,

00:24:48.940 and he's looking forward to fighting this in court, he told me. But I have handed over that email that

00:24:54.740 was sent over to The New York Times prior to filing that lawsuit. So I don't think it's going to go over well for

00:24:59.860 them when they sit there and pretend like this is exclusively towards MAGA talking heads. We aren't.

00:25:04.980 Even Laura Loomer has actually grilled a lot of the officials at the Pentagon. And when I was there,

00:25:09.660 she was grilling them as well, right in front of all of us. So we're not MAGA absolutists,

00:25:15.580 like cultists, like they were trying to make it sound like. We were individuals who were going to

00:25:18.520 go there and ask questions that they didn't have the guts to ask. Yeah, I mean, I feel like that's the

00:25:23.420 first time I've ever seen a Pentagon official actually be held to task on the delays of,

00:25:28.500 you know, these defense primes that seem to have no ramifications or repercussions for their actions

00:25:33.900 that gravely endanger national security. So I think that's pretty good. Good reporting,

00:25:38.000 if you ask me, off to a good start. Brianna, we're very glad that you are there. If people want to

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00:27:19.940 drilling down with Dr. Thayer on the national security strategy, which, you know, to be very

00:27:25.260 blunt, I think describing China solely through the lens of an economic potentially collaborator

00:27:30.780 partner at best is not really what the Chinese Communist Party is to the United States of America.

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00:29:41.900 Welcome back to the War Room. Dr. Thayer, thank you for waiting patiently. I want to kind of reopen

00:29:47.860 the discussion we were having, even if you straw man, or rather steel man, the argument that the NSS

00:29:55.220 makes with regard to China being an economic partner, which I struggle to see. I mean, is it

00:30:02.140 even possible? What do you take of that lens of analyzing China?

00:30:08.660 Well, as we were saying, the document reaches a lot of different audiences,

00:30:13.100 and it's quite explicit about Europe, the economic, the Western Hemisphere. The document

00:30:20.760 also, as you were alluding to, Natalie, misses the target on the People's Republic of China

00:30:29.660 and the threat from the Chinese Communist Party. The document there is really threat deflating

00:30:36.600 still. It's not calling attention to the hyper-aggression of the CCP. It does have good

00:30:44.000 things to say about Taiwan and deterrence. It does have good things to say about Japan and South Korea

00:30:51.580 and the roles that they can play. But it's really missing the target here on the threat from the 21st

00:31:02.440 century, which is the Chinese Communist Party. So there's a lot that's good in the document.

00:31:08.680 Again, particularly calling out the Europeans for their censorship, their demography, and their 1.00

00:31:15.140 immigration. But on the People's Republic of China, there's a lot that should have been added into the

00:31:21.620 document. And of course, we appreciate that you can't put everything into the document that you want

00:31:26.200 to. But this is a big one. When it comes to this issue, this is the threat of the 21st century. It's the

00:31:34.440 threat that really is interwoven with the emphasis on the homeland, the emphasis on the Western

00:31:42.400 Hemisphere and the Trump corollary to the Monroe Doctrine, right, which is, in essence, that we're not going to

00:31:48.680 allow external powers, that is China, the People's Republic, to use the Western Hemisphere to hurt 0.97

00:31:55.420 Americans and to hurt our interests in the Western Hemisphere. Well, all roads go back to Beijing 0.94

00:32:02.620 on that. And to my mind, in my opinion, it should have been drawn out in the document so that when we

00:32:12.660 reflect on the national security of the national security strategy of the U.S. and the audiences

00:32:18.800 that we want to reach with that, it would be quite clear that Washington sees Beijing, really to borrow

00:32:26.700 from Reagan, right, in 1983 as the center of evil in the modern world. So that was, I think, a very

00:32:37.800 important point, as you're suggesting. On the Taiwan front, I think there's some interesting

00:32:44.440 quotes, what is both there and omitted. One saying that the U.S. does not support Taiwan

00:32:53.220 independence. That is not in there. Usually that's, you know, rhetoric that you'll typically

00:32:57.520 see, but there's not an explicit disclaimer, which I think is a good thing to see. But also in talking

00:33:01.840 about the military aspect there, it's written, quote, deterring a conflict over Taiwan, ideally by

00:33:07.440 preserving military overmatch is a priority. I think the use of ideally there, as opposed to,

00:33:13.100 you know, necessarily or that it's a given, there's an interesting kind of wide aperture there to

00:33:18.700 understand what exactly that means. Can you drill down a bit on what this means for Taiwan, both

00:33:24.820 juxtaposing it historically, but also if you, this seems to be like maybe the most we've really gotten

00:33:31.560 from the Trump administration in a concrete form on Taiwan, but what you think this bodes looking into

00:33:36.660 the future? And again, it's important because it is the national security strategy of the U.S.

00:33:42.860 So the language is not the way you would write it or the way I would write it, certainly. And it does

00:33:50.960 seem to really elide into a calculated, the ambiguity that previous administrations have emphasized.

00:34:01.500 Taiwan's important for the U.S., of course, for economic reasons, the chip producers, of course.

00:34:08.480 And if we were to lose that in the short term, that would be disastrous for the economy. It's also

00:34:13.840 important in military terms because it's, in essence, the cork in the bottle on the first island

00:34:19.960 chain occupies key geostrategic space. And then thirdly, it's important in political warfare context

00:34:27.280 because it shows what China could be if it were democratic, right? If the communists hadn't come

00:34:32.620 to power in 1949, the people of China could be living as freely as the people of Taiwan do. So

00:34:41.360 it's important for all of those reasons. And it would have been, I think it would have been quite

00:34:47.120 useful. It would have been strategically helpful for all audiences globally for those points to be in

00:34:53.580 that document. So, but nonetheless, it does make the remarks as you suggested, as you called out

00:35:00.540 regarding deterrence in Taiwan. So the document, again, really gets back to, it's written through

00:35:11.080 an economic lens. And when you see the world the way economists and the way financiers do it,

00:35:16.200 you miss a lot of the strategy. And you miss a lot of important points that are relevant to

00:35:23.660 geostrategy, the geostrategic position of the U.S. And so those elements, I think, were there at the

00:35:32.040 same time, of course, with the emphasis on Western hemisphere and the emphasis, of course, on the

00:35:37.640 other points that we've talked about. Those, of course, are to the great credit of the document.

00:35:43.400 I'm curious. I want to sort of play devil's advocate. And by that, I mean what the mainstream

00:35:49.180 media and their think tank counterparts will say. I want to read what is a quote that I think has

00:35:54.540 gotten a lot of positive traction from the MAGA side of the fence, which is, quote,

00:35:58.480 our elites badly miscalculated America's willingness to shoulder forever global burdens to which the

00:36:03.160 American people saw no connection to the national interest. It goes on. There's a lot of rhetoric like 0.89

00:36:08.060 this. But to the critics who would say that this is essentially the United States abdicating

00:36:12.320 its role, its footing in the world stage and, frankly, letting China almost supplant them or 0.94

00:36:18.740 replace them or saying that at least you're going to have some sort of, you know, bipolar. If not,

00:36:23.460 I saw an article today talking about a trilateral world order. What would you say to people who are

00:36:30.200 saying that this is the United States abandoning its role in the world?

00:36:33.580 Well, it's not. And clearly, the document doesn't say that, and the sky isn't falling in that respect. I think

00:36:41.540 the document is quite clear. Under the Trump administration, the direction of U.S. strategy, how the U.S.

00:36:52.100 defines strategy, how it defines its national interest, as the document is clear in stating, is changing.

00:36:59.060 And as a result of that, other countries are going to have to adjust to it. But the document is quite

00:37:06.720 clear regarding the importance of the U.S. nuclear deterrent and the role that that plays. It's quite

00:37:14.000 clear on the role of military power, the U.S. military power and the need for the U.S. to maintain its

00:37:20.040 dominance in the conventional realm, as well as in the cyber realm and other realms as well. So it's not,

00:37:29.060 um, uh, essentially abandoning the rest of the world, uh, to retreat back, uh, to the, uh, the

00:37:36.660 Western hemisphere. It's doing its utmost to say, we need to recalculate. We had spent too much blood

00:37:44.560 and treasure, uh, in CENTCOM. We'd spent too much blood and treasure in the Middle East, if you will,

00:37:50.040 larger Middle East, Southwest, uh, Asia. That has to change. There has to be an emphasis on the Indo-Pacific.

00:37:57.500 There has to be an emphasis on the Western hemisphere, and there has to be an emphasis

00:38:01.880 in Europe. The problem in Europe is not just Ukraine. It's not Russia and Ukraine. The problem

00:38:07.860 in Europe is demographic change, immigration, and censorship, right? Increasing totalitarianism,

00:38:15.160 uh, in, uh, in Europe, driven largely by, uh, the EU. And so when you're changing the rudder,

00:38:22.980 when you're changing course, I think it's important to recognize the new direction that that new

00:38:29.220 direction does not come at the cost, uh, really of other, uh, existing commitments that the United

00:38:35.140 States has. Again, as the document is clear in its section on the Middle East, right, it's saying that

00:38:40.560 we're, um, moving away, uh, in terms of emphasis from the Middle East, but there's still, the U.S.

00:38:47.320 still has, uh, many interests in the Middle East that the United States will defend as well as in

00:38:52.100 Africa, uh, too. So, uh, it's always best to consult the document, uh, itself rather than relying

00:38:58.980 on what the media, uh, are saying about it. Uh, and, um, when you do so, I think, um, uh, you can see

00:39:06.520 of those differences. And that's quite clear in the front matter in the document when they're

00:39:10.860 talking about strategy, what the Trump administration means by strategy and what

00:39:15.100 the Trump administration means by national interests. And then thirdly, um, in the document

00:39:21.240 says, again, quite explicitly, um, that we're not de-emphasizing areas of the world. What we're

00:39:28.080 doing is we're just in this document calling attention to areas that have been neglected,

00:39:32.700 like the homeland, like the Western hemisphere and threats that have been building for decades.

00:39:40.280 Obviously the, uh, China in that respect, but how Europe has, um, gone down the wrong course

00:39:47.120 as taking the wrong path and is at risk of, as the document says, civilizational erasure,

00:39:53.060 uh, which would be, uh, incredibly damaging of course, for a Western hemisphere and for

00:39:59.720 of the United States itself and how the United States defines itself.

00:40:05.800 Dr. Thayer, as always, thank you for joining us. I really appreciate you

00:40:08.860 breaking this down and indulging my kind of all over the place questions. If people want

00:40:13.840 to follow you and stay up to date with everything you're writing, posting on Getter, all of that,

00:40:18.760 where can they go to do that?

00:40:21.000 Well, Natalie, great to see you again. I'm at Brad Theron X and Bradley Theron Getter and, um,

00:40:25.360 on, on truth. Uh, thanks very much. Thank you, sir. I appreciate it.

00:40:32.440 And I think we got Joe Allen. I had to have Joe Allen back on after Wednesday's show. I think we,

00:40:37.580 uh, we, we made some news in our crusade against the, uh, the big tech bros. You've got a few minutes,

00:40:42.500 Joe, I want to hold you through the break. Um, but just give me the latest on everything we're

00:40:46.140 talking about Wednesday, where we stand on the sort of AI regulation, uh, tussle.

00:40:50.600 Well, Natalie, the tussle continues. Uh, David Sachs and company are still pushing for the

00:40:58.380 executive order that would preempt state laws on artificial intelligence. There is quite a bit

00:41:05.680 of a struggle at the white house at the moment. I am at least reasonably confident that we have a

00:41:12.120 fighting chance to ensure that president Trump gets the message and does not side with Sachs.

00:41:20.580 There are a lot of different voices in the white house, pushing the president to make a decision

00:41:25.660 one way or the other. I've heard, and it's a fairly reliable that, uh, everyone from Marco Rubio to

00:41:33.840 DNI, Tulsi Gabbard to the UN ambassador, Mike Waltz are voicing real caution and urging the president

00:41:43.040 to leave AI legislation up to the States, or at the very least to allow States to pass laws

00:41:50.500 to regulate AI, to mitigate the damage and to ensure that they have the right to chart their

00:41:58.760 own course into this bizarre future that we're entering into. And of course you have on the other

00:42:04.900 side of that, David Sachs and company. JD Vance has yet to speak out on this. As far as I know,

00:42:11.860 it seems with all of his connections to the tech industry, he should have a very strong opinion on

00:42:17.420 this. Uh, one would hope that Vance would come out against an EO that would restrict States from

00:42:26.340 legislating on AI. So the war room posse actually can let their voices be heard. You know, I'm not

00:42:34.220 much of a political activist, Natalie, but on this, I think it's really important that the posse is able

00:42:42.560 to flood the zone and of course flood the phone. So I urge you to call the white house and respectfully

00:42:51.200 state your support for States rights in artificial intelligence. Just tell them you want your state

00:43:00.200 to have the right to determine its own future. As AI becomes more and more ubiquitous, the posse can call

00:43:07.980 202-456-1414. Be as polite and respectful as possible. And I'll repeat this again after the

00:43:19.980 break. As Steve would say, give them the, uh, old what for in a polite and respectful way. We will be

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00:45:48.760 Text Bannon to 989898. You're back in the war room. We've got more Joe Allen for you. Joe,

00:45:56.920 I'm curious, feel free to pick up where you left off if there's anything else that you think this

00:46:00.360 audience needs to know that can better inform the phone calls, the emails, whatever they're going to

00:46:04.100 do to get the message out there. But was this an executive order that you think was just supposed

00:46:09.400 to sort of be done, maybe we'll call it in the style of Biden, but done in the dead of night at

00:46:14.760 midnight? There really wasn't ever supposed to be a stink about it. No one was ever supposed to

00:46:18.040 really catch on. It was just supposed to sort of euphemistically be passed. People are too bored

00:46:23.900 to look at the intricacies of regulations. And is it really just up to war room to stop that from

00:46:28.780 happening? You know, that's a really good question, Natalie, because, you know, the EO leak,

00:46:34.800 the draft came out right when the moratorium language was pulled from the NDAA. So you had

00:46:43.360 that fight going on and it's unclear. I don't know why it got leaked. It's quite possible that it got

00:46:51.260 leaked intentionally in order to gauge public sentiment around this. And should President Trump have an

00:46:58.380 executive order presented to him on federal preemption? It's possible, and I hope that this

00:47:04.740 is the case, that the language is softened tremendously because the draft of the EO would

00:47:12.080 empower, if signed, would empower the Department of Justice to sue, to file suit against any state

00:47:20.300 whose AI laws ran afoul of the national AI agenda. Now, in my opinion, I can completely understand why

00:47:29.540 from a national security perspective, or from even a medical perspective, possibly an economic

00:47:37.260 perspective, why you would want to have one policy, one framework to allow AI companies to operate

00:47:45.460 without interference from states. But that's not the primary thrust of AI as we see it right now.

00:47:52.360 The primary thrust, we see the four frontier companies deploying their models completely

00:47:59.520 recklessly. We see, it's very obvious, kids and even adults' brains being completely fried by large

00:48:07.700 language models. Endless generation of AI-produced slop flooding the internet. You have the specter of

00:48:16.240 deepfakes creeping up on our heels. And that's why you have people like Ron DeSantis coming out with

00:48:23.340 the AI Bill of Rights in Florida. Now, from, say, a Trump perspective, from President Trump's

00:48:29.820 perspective, Ron DeSantis came against the president in the primaries. You don't want Ron DeSantis

00:48:37.700 to have the reins on MAGA if you want to put your stamp on the future. Because without a doubt,

00:48:46.920 the sentiment of the country is not in favor of federal preemption. The sentiment of the country

00:48:53.340 is to give each state their freedom to determine the path forward into an artificial intelligence

00:49:00.640 saturated future. So the real key message here, if you're going to call the White House, if you're

00:49:08.500 going to call your senator, if you're going to call your representatives, you need to give a positive

00:49:14.860 statement. We want states to have the right to pass laws regarding artificial intelligence. We do not want

00:49:24.860 federal preemption. We do not want a moratorium on states' rights. So that number again, Natalie,

00:49:32.720 for the posse, call the White House as politely and respectfully as you possibly can. And I know some

00:49:40.360 of y'all are wild. As politely as you can, just tell them, we want states to have the right to pass laws

00:49:48.620 regulating and legislating AI. The number is 202-456-1414. If you get an answering machine,

00:50:00.900 again, as respectfully as you can, and I only say this because I know how wild you are when you come

00:50:05.440 out to my talks, just state we want the right, our state, to have the right to determine our own

00:50:15.180 future. We do not want an AI moratorium. We want the right to legislate and mitigate the damage

00:50:22.580 of artificial intelligence. Joe Allen, if people want to follow you, keep up to date with everything

00:50:29.580 you've got going on, where can they go to do that? You can find me on social media at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z

00:50:38.380 or my website, JoeBot.X-Y-Z. Thank you very much, Natalie. Thank you, Joe, for coming back on. I

00:50:45.380 appreciate it. Warren Posse, trying to track down Mike Lindell, but I think that means you got two

00:50:53.240 more minutes of me. I think it's really important for this audience to get the signal and not the

00:50:58.280 noise on all things related to this national security strategy twofold. One, obviously, we are

00:51:05.500 here in the war room where the heart, the tip of the spear when it comes to prioritizing the homeland

00:51:10.340 and homeland defense and securing the border, but I think if the Trump administration wants to say

00:51:15.160 that that is their priority, then they really need to not double, triple, but quadruple down on actually

00:51:20.180 making sure these mass deportations are that, are mass, are massive, and are actually deportations,

00:51:26.720 not just tweeting that we're going to end migration from third world countries, but actually do it in a

00:51:32.000 codified legal way, and it's not just about stopping, turning off the water, turning off the

00:51:37.120 tap. It's also about retroactively going back and rooting out all of these third world migrants who 1.00

00:51:42.320 are destroying this country. That's obviously the largest threat to this country, but you can also,

00:51:47.440 I think, walk and chew gum at the same time, which is realizing the existential threat that is the

00:51:52.840 Chinese Communist Party, and it's quite interesting. There's a section there where they enumerate bullet

00:51:57.180 point after bullet point after bullet point, basically, all of the egregious acts, frankly,

00:52:01.500 of war, certainly unrestricted war, that China has engaged in against the United States, but instead

00:52:06.440 of calling out the Chinese Communist Party by name, they just hypothetically say, well, any country

00:52:11.180 that has engaged in this, whether it's propaganda, IP theft, you know, robbing workers of their wages,

00:52:17.840 take your pick. I think the Trump administration should have the courage to call out the Chinese 1.00

00:52:23.240 Communist Party to call out China by name and not treat them like the Bill Clintons and the

00:52:27.900 Democrats and the established Republicans of the world have for decades, which is an economic

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Bannon's War Room - December 05, 2025

Episode 4977： Ending Birthright Citizenship; MAGA Takes The Pentagon

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