Episode 4977： Ending Birthright Citizenship; MAGA Takes The Pentagon
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The F-35 is the most capable fighter in the Air Force, but only 40% of them are fully mission capable. Is it a failure for a platform to perform at less than 40% when it costs $100 million a copy?
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and you don't have the major American newspapers in there and he actually thought he thought he
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could get away with it he thought he could get away with with doing whatever he wanted to do
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inside the Pentagon because he has a news he has a news source run by a Chinese religious cult
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reporting on him instead of the Wall Street Journal. Laura Loomer has a desk in the press
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room at the Pentagon now not the Washington Post Washington Post delivering these stories.
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I do want to talk about some of the legacy platforms that I've long been a critic of
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I'll start with the F-35 they cost about a hundred million dollars a copy what percentage of the F-35
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are fully mission capable today? So that's a great question man and I appreciate you getting after
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it because not enough not enough it is the most capable fighter that we have right now when it
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flies when it flies you're right it is the most capable fighter what we have right now and you
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saw last just last month in the acquisition speech is a department and leadership that's willing to
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get after it to challenge industry to produce better. Yeah but what percentage of them can fly?
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So not enough not enough. So yeah but you just called it our most capable platform and less than
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40 percent of them by my last review of the Air Force's statements are fully mission capable. Why is it
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not failure for a platform to perform at less than 40 percent when it costs a hundred million dollars?
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So Matt looking at it holistically sure you can throw out the number 40 percent but when you look
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at Operation Midnight Hammer, Operation Rough Rider. Those weren't after F-35 was not was not delivering
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the payload on Midnight Hammer. But they were supporting right and so those B2s wouldn't have gotten
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there without that the airplane. What would have stopped them? There are plenty of surface-to-air missile
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systems that the Iranians have we know that. Did they shoot any of them? No they didn't because we were
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so successful and we that platform the F-35 is an amazing platform that can go after these systems. It is
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the most capable platform we have Matt and what we're doing right now is we have a plan to get to 80
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percent mission capable rates by 2030 and what you know. And if you don't what will be the accountability
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for Lockheed Martin? So we are holding Lockheed Martin to task each and every day. The Deputy Secretary
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of War and Mike Duffy the Undersecretary for Acquisitions Statement is meeting with Lockheed Martin
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almost weekly. Because they have the full system performance contract. There's no other contractor
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that's doing system performance work as a prime on the F-35 right? That's correct. And Lockheed built
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them. So Lockheed built them. Lockheed maintains them. Have they had any consequence for not being
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able to put more than 40 percent of them in full mission capability? Absolutely. And under this
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administration, under President Trump's administration, they are being held to task. The
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previous administration, it was a joke. So what are the consequences? So the consequences are they're here,
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they're here in the building each and every day. Contracts are being evaluated and re-evaluated.
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We are not just looking at how many aircraft are we buying, but we're looking at parts,
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sustainment, reliability of the aircraft. We're picking and choosing. We have actually smart people
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who are getting after it right now to buy the right parts to make sure the aircraft are up and meeting the
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mission capable ratings that you are asking for. You're right. You're right. What you have been pushing
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is the exact right thing. What you didn't have was an administration that wanted to get after.
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This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on
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these people. Here's the time I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. The
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people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything
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in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like
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that go to share the big line? Mega Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a
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conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country,
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this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
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Welcome to the War Room. It's Friday, December 5th in the year of our Lord 2025. Natalie Winter's
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hosting today. We've got a packed show for you. Don't go anywhere. We've got Mike Davis, Joe Allen,
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Bradley Thayer, but we're going to start, frankly, where I think most shows, if you look where they
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are really talking about the issues that they're really getting into, it's where we always do. It's
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the Pentagon. Some wonderful accountability, or I guess at least attempted accountability there
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coming from, of course, War Room favorite, former Congressman Matt Gaetz. I wanted to invite a
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member, I'm sure you guys have seen by now, the new Pentagon press corps. I'm obviously part of the
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White House one, but now the Pentagon has its own, I guess, after they kicked out everyone from the
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mainstream press, they replaced them with people who I think are doing a much fairer job, or at least
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asking the questions that you guys probably care more about, like we saw in that exchange.
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Brianna Morello, the intrepid Brianna Morello, you have so much going on. You've got so many shows.
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You've got so many websites that you're always contributing to. You're always breaking stories.
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It's an honor to have you on with us. I don't know how you have the time to also be at the Pentagon,
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but I know you've been there. You've been to the briefings. You've been interviewing some officials
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yourself. Before we get into your experience there, there's some interesting lawsuits being filed
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by the New York Times. Obviously, you guys are getting criticized as being sycophants.
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I'm curious your thoughts on that exchange that we just witnessed. Who exactly was Congressman
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Gates interviewing? And I don't know if that's necessarily accountability, but what exactly did
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Matt Gates was trying to grill an individual who I believe was involved in the Lloyd Austin
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Pentagon himself. It was quite interesting. I was actually off to the side for a little bit,
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trying to eavesdrop into that conversation. And it did get very heated. But the reality
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of it is, is Matt Gates seems to know what he's talking about. And although the media was
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very critical of Gates being there, he knows the questions. He knows how to ask these questions
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and he knows how to grill them on all things related to that. So when it comes to equipment
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and government spending, I think that's really core to Matt Gates. Matt Gates is understanding
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his core mission. And it was interesting to sit back and watch because he was making
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arguments that I think I was very unaware of. And I think the American people want to learn more
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about. So it was interesting to see. Now, that individual, too, keep in mind, is someone who was
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called into question during that leaking story where there was three leakers who were apparently tossed
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out of the Pentagon who were, I think, conservative. And so this best this individual's name was kind
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of floated around and and as possibly a person who was pushing for that, pushing these three
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individuals out of the Pentagon. So it was interesting to sit back and kind of watch Gates go to work
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there. Not much to say, though. I couldn't really tell. There was a bit of a stumble. Maybe he caught
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him off guard, though, because Gates seems to be really informed on the matter.
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Help me bridge the gap there. You started by saying that that was a Lloyd Austin, i.e.
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Biden regime, as we call it here, holdover, who's also responsible for making personnel
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decisions. I'm curious, using him maybe as an emblematic example of your firsthand experience there,
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do you feel like everybody who is part of the secretary's team working, that it's working there,
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is truly part of the America First agenda? Or how do we still have Biden? All right, I think we've
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lost Brianna. We're going to try to reestablish a connection with her. If we have Mike Davis,
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we'll go to Mike Davis. We got Mike. All right, we're going to go to Dr. Thayer. Dr. Thayer,
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I was about to actually just invoke the new national security strategy of the Trump administration,
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which I guess is a perfect segue for what I wanted to have you on to talk about. It's quite interesting
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in that you see a very different presentation of China in terms of the ordered threat, how it's
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described, more as an economic partner as opposed to the existential threat to the United States of
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America. I'm curious to get your sort of top-line assessment of this document.
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Hi, Natalie. It's great to see you again. My thoughts are these. First, all of these documents,
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national security strategies are very important because of what they convey. They're signaling
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the priorities and the principles of the Trump administration, of course, to the American
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people, to Congress, to all of the department of agencies in the U.S. government, as well as our
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friends and partners around the world and our enemies as well. Secondly, it's significant because
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of its content, what's new about it. You referenced, of course, the changes really in the treatment of
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China, which I think are very significant, as well as the emphasis that the document places on
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the economic tool. Really, the Trump administration, since it's come into office,
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has favored economics and employing economic strategy to advance its interests. And so you see
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that with China. You see that with tariffs. You see that with investment in the United States.
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And then additionally, the emphasis on the Western hemisphere, on re-industrialization and the
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American worker. And to my mind, the most significant element, even more so than the piece on the
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references to China, were the references to Europe's path. The fact that Europe cannot go on the way it
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is and it needs to change course. It needs to regain its civilizational confidence if it's going to be
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a valuable ally to the United States, but more so if the U.S. is going to be able to save Western
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civilization in conjunction with the Europeans themselves. And that was a shot across the bow to
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the European elite. And Natalie, as you know, who are hell-bent on doing everything they can do
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to weaken Western civilization and to weaken their societies. So there's a lot in that document.
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It's, again, very significant. It conveys a lot of the principles and messages that the Trump
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administration seeks to. The warning to Europe, the emphasis on the economics, on trade with China,
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of course, all are very important. Some of it, nobody's going to be satisfied with everything,
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of course, in that document, but Leibniz is right, right? This is the best of all possible worlds,
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so, you know, we're going to deal with the document as it is. So a very important document.
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Dr. Thayer, that was a perfect tease because I want to hold you through a little bit and I really
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want to drill down. I have some quotes I'm curious to get your assessment on specifically with regards
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to Islam and jihad, those words not being in there, but also the Taiwan situation. I think
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we reestablished connection with Brianna Morello. No conspiracies, no coincidences. I don't know,
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Brianna, if you heard my question, but I was essentially getting at, you know, you articulated
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that this individual who seems to be involved with some, you know, shenanigans that may have led to the
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ousting of certain conservatives is also a Lloyd Austin, therefore Biden regime holdover. Do you get
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the sense that there are a lot of issues like that plaguing, or can you just sort of walk our
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audience through your firsthand experience with, with this sort of personnel issue there?
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Well, that you saw Mac Gates communicating with, with Ricky Burra. Now this is an individual who
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I've done reporting on previously about, there were several people over the Pentagon that were
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deeply concerned because this was a Lloyd Austin hangover. This individual, when the leaker story
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came out, this individual was someone who was then being moved up. And, uh, apparently according
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to reports was being looked at to possibly be, uh, Pete Hegseth's, uh, chief of staff. Now this was a
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move that the white house actually rejected and stepped in on and said that they would not allow
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that to happen. But, uh, the secretary of war obviously wanted to make that happen and it was
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rejected. Now internally, there were people who are deeply concerned about him. Uh, personally,
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there were a lot of issues. They believed that the leakers, the three leakers that were named,
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uh, were individuals who were just being pushed out based on their stance of the Ukrainian war
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and that they truly, and I know Dan Caldwell's come on and spoken to Steve directly about the
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allegations defacing, uh, but people that I've spoken to really believe that Ricky was key in all
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of this. So although Ricky's not the chief of staff, oh, that was because of the white house
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rejecting it completely. Uh, it's, it was interesting to sit back and see that exchange with Mac Gates.
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Again, it was quite odd. Definitely. Well, we've got about a minute and a half before we have to
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jump to break, but just talk a little bit about what exactly it is that you're doing
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at the Pentagon right now. Gone. We're just asking simple questions. I know that the
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corporate media was very upset that they got kicked. He didn't even get kicked out. I mean,
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they self-deported and they refused to just acknowledge the rules of the press room, which
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are basic rules. Natalie rules that you have to apply and abide by over at the white house as well.
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You know, they were hiding their credentials according to those who worked at the Pentagon.
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And so employees of the Pentagon had no idea they were talking to media. And so now you have
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to clearly display who you are, uh, exactly by showing your, your press passes on you at all
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times. Uh, so my goal is to cover the Pentagon, to cover what's going on internally over at the
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Pentagon. You know, I've been critical of my current reports. I've got about four stories,
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uh, kind of being a little harsh on the current leadership there. And they still allowed me in.
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So all of the mainstream media likes to say that we're an echo chamber for MAGA.
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It's completely false. We do challenge this current administration, the leadership at the
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Pentagon. Uh, they just don't like that. So it'll be exciting to sit back and remotely go,
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uh, to some of these briefings to actually physically go into the Pentagon for some of
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these briefings. Uh, but again, this is team, this comms team, I have to say is probably one of
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the best so far in the administration. They're highly responsive. I reached out earlier in the day
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for comments and at deadline, they responded. That's something that other departments
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truly struggle with. So I'll be excited to continue to cover.
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Brianna, we are lucky to have you there. If you can hang with us through the break,
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I want to ask you a little bit more about what's going on there. If the mainstream media is in
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meltdown about it, then I think that's a telltale sign that it's probably good
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for the country. We'll be right back. Dr. Thayer, Joe Allen, and Mike Davis after this short break.
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but then we're going to go back to Brianna. Mike Davis, there's some movement on all things
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SCOTUS and birthright citizenship. You had a great piece in Fox a few months back and it seems like
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that might be coming to fruition or at least the chance for it to be coming to fruition. Can you
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walk us through the latest? Yeah, this is one of the most crucial decisions that the Supreme Court
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will decide this upcoming term and it's the issue of birthright citizenship. On January 20th of this
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year, President Trump's first day in office, he signed an executive order ordering his government
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to not automatically grant birthright citizenship to people who are born in the United States. That is
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a misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment. After the Civil War, we have the Civil War Amendments,
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the 13th Amendment to free the slaves, the 14th Amendment to provide equal protection and due process
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to the freed slaves, and the 15th Amendment to provide voting rights to the freed black male slaves.
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That was extended to women with the 19th Amendment, but as part of the 14th Amendment, the ratifiers
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wanted to guarantee birthright citizenship to the children of the freed slaves. So there's the
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birthright citizenship provision in the 14th Amendment, which says that the children born to people
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subject to the jurisdiction of the United States have birthright citizenship. And there is a clear legal
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meaning. If you looked at the text and the original public meaning of subject to the jurisdiction of the
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United States, that means people who are loyal to the United States. So people, for example, foreign
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ambassadors kids do not get birthright citizenship. Foreign armies kids would not get
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birthright citizenship. Birthright citizenship did not even apply to the children of American Indians
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under the 14th Amendment. There is a Supreme Court ruling on that from over 100 years ago. So Congress
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extended birthright citizenship to the children of American Indians by statutes. So you have to answer
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this dispositive question for the Supreme Court. If American Indians' children did not have birthright
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citizenship under the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, why the hell would the children of
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illegal aliens? They just don't. If Congress wants to extend birthright citizenship to the children of
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illegal aliens, Congress can do that through statute like Congress did for American Indians. And so that's
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going to be the key issue for the Supreme Court to decide if they decide to actually decide the merits
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of this case. And the Constitution is clear. The text is clear on subject to the jurisdiction. The
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original public meaning is clear. And I guess it comes down to whether the Supreme Court has the courage
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to follow the text and the public meaning, original public meaning of the 14th Amendment.
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Mike Davis, thank you for breaking that down for us. We know you got to bounce. But in the meantime,
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before we have you back on, where can people go to stay up to date with everything you're working on?
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We've still got Brianna Morello with us. Brianna, before I let you go, I just wanted to have you
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kind of pick up where you left off. The New York Times that I gather is suing to sort of get their
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access back or at least say that everybody who's there are just a bunch of, you know,
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Trump sycophants. I always call it kind of the horseshoe theory of opposition. You view yourself
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probably the same way that I view myself of being at the White House to hold them account to the
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promises that they made. The media just wants to point out that they're not following through all
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those promises. So they hemorrhage voters in support and lie to the American people.
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But how do you sort of push back on that idea? And what do you think about that lawsuit?
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The New York Times actually did reach out to me, Natalie, prior to publishing or, I guess,
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filing that lawsuit. They reached out to me back in October and specifically were asking me
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questions that I had a feeling were slanted in one direction. They want to justify why
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the rest of us are being let in while they all they opted out. I mean, they literally decided not
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to abide and to acknowledge the rules that were given to them. It's not an agreement. It doesn't
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waive your First Amendment rights. All it says is that you have read this and that you understand what
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the rules are of the Pentagon and what's expected of you as a member of the media covering the
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Pentagon. They're not going to ask you to only abide by the information that's handed down by the
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press secretary, Kinsley Wilson or Sean Parnell, the spokesman. That's not what was asked of them.
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And it's really interesting because I read it. I know others have published the agreement that they
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just asked us to sign. Again, it doesn't waive your First Amendment rights. Now, here's the message
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they asked me. They emailed me directly asking me questions that I thought were angled. And I
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specifically outlined that there have been several instances in my coverage because they asked for all
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my previous coverage of the Pentagon. I said in previous coverage under this leadership,
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I have been critical of Pete Hegseth, the secretary of war. And in fact, they have still
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granted me access in to the Pentagon to cover them. There's there's several stories that I've covered.
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You know, we opened up talking about the official who was working under Lloyd Austin's administration.
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Obviously, that was the big one. I know that ticked off a lot of leadership as well,
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but it was truthful. I've criticized them on their business dealings with Qatar and meeting with
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Qatar leadership. And I've criticized them over classifying the Vegas cyber truck explosion at
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place outside of the Trump Hotel. I think it was January 1st. They classified the manifesto. So I
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have been outspoken more than they all were under the Biden regime. If you remember, Lloyd Austin went
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missing and the corporate media didn't hold any of them accountable, part of that administration. So
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you know, they're going to sit here and push back. And you saw in that lawsuit, they dropped names.
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They went after Laura Loomer. They went after James O'Keefe. They went after even Raheem Kassam,
00:24:22.720
who wasn't even there that day for the media that we were doing. They went after him. So they've gone
00:24:27.780
after a lot of people, but they particularly didn't put my name in there because they reached out to me
00:24:32.240
in October and I completely debunked their entire argument. And because they didn't have a rebuttal for it,
00:24:38.020
they left me out. So I think that there's going to be a massive victory for the Pentagon when they go to
00:24:43.840
court over this. I know I asked specifically the spokesman, Sean Parnell, his reaction to the lawsuit,
00:24:48.940
and he's looking forward to fighting this in court, he told me. But I have handed over that email that
00:24:54.740
was sent over to The New York Times prior to filing that lawsuit. So I don't think it's going to go over well for
00:24:59.860
them when they sit there and pretend like this is exclusively towards MAGA talking heads. We aren't.
00:25:04.980
Even Laura Loomer has actually grilled a lot of the officials at the Pentagon. And when I was there,
00:25:09.660
she was grilling them as well, right in front of all of us. So we're not MAGA absolutists,
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like cultists, like they were trying to make it sound like. We were individuals who were going to
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go there and ask questions that they didn't have the guts to ask. Yeah, I mean, I feel like that's the
00:25:23.420
first time I've ever seen a Pentagon official actually be held to task on the delays of,
00:25:28.500
you know, these defense primes that seem to have no ramifications or repercussions for their actions
00:25:33.900
that gravely endanger national security. So I think that's pretty good. Good reporting,
00:25:38.000
if you ask me, off to a good start. Brianna, we're very glad that you are there. If people want to
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follow you, stay up to date with everything you're working on, not just at the Pentagon,
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but elsewhere, where can they go to do that? Of the American Journal over on Infowars every single
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Thank you, ma'am, for joining us. And good luck toughing it out at the Pentagon. We'll have you
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The term Chinese Communist Party is not actually even mentioned in there. There's also a, I think,
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Welcome back to the War Room. Dr. Thayer, thank you for waiting patiently. I want to kind of reopen
00:29:47.860
the discussion we were having, even if you straw man, or rather steel man, the argument that the NSS
00:29:55.220
makes with regard to China being an economic partner, which I struggle to see. I mean, is it
00:30:02.140
even possible? What do you take of that lens of analyzing China?
00:30:08.660
Well, as we were saying, the document reaches a lot of different audiences,
00:30:13.100
and it's quite explicit about Europe, the economic, the Western Hemisphere. The document
00:30:20.760
also, as you were alluding to, Natalie, misses the target on the People's Republic of China
00:30:29.660
and the threat from the Chinese Communist Party. The document there is really threat deflating
00:30:36.600
still. It's not calling attention to the hyper-aggression of the CCP. It does have good
00:30:44.000
things to say about Taiwan and deterrence. It does have good things to say about Japan and South Korea
00:30:51.580
and the roles that they can play. But it's really missing the target here on the threat from the 21st
00:31:02.440
century, which is the Chinese Communist Party. So there's a lot that's good in the document.
00:31:08.680
Again, particularly calling out the Europeans for their censorship, their demography, and their
00:31:15.140
immigration. But on the People's Republic of China, there's a lot that should have been added into the
00:31:21.620
document. And of course, we appreciate that you can't put everything into the document that you want
00:31:26.200
to. But this is a big one. When it comes to this issue, this is the threat of the 21st century. It's the
00:31:34.440
threat that really is interwoven with the emphasis on the homeland, the emphasis on the Western
00:31:42.400
Hemisphere and the Trump corollary to the Monroe Doctrine, right, which is, in essence, that we're not going to
00:31:48.680
allow external powers, that is China, the People's Republic, to use the Western Hemisphere to hurt
00:31:55.420
Americans and to hurt our interests in the Western Hemisphere. Well, all roads go back to Beijing
00:32:02.620
on that. And to my mind, in my opinion, it should have been drawn out in the document so that when we
00:32:12.660
reflect on the national security of the national security strategy of the U.S. and the audiences
00:32:18.800
that we want to reach with that, it would be quite clear that Washington sees Beijing, really to borrow
00:32:26.700
from Reagan, right, in 1983 as the center of evil in the modern world. So that was, I think, a very
00:32:37.800
important point, as you're suggesting. On the Taiwan front, I think there's some interesting
00:32:44.440
quotes, what is both there and omitted. One saying that the U.S. does not support Taiwan
00:32:53.220
independence. That is not in there. Usually that's, you know, rhetoric that you'll typically
00:32:57.520
see, but there's not an explicit disclaimer, which I think is a good thing to see. But also in talking
00:33:01.840
about the military aspect there, it's written, quote, deterring a conflict over Taiwan, ideally by
00:33:07.440
preserving military overmatch is a priority. I think the use of ideally there, as opposed to,
00:33:13.100
you know, necessarily or that it's a given, there's an interesting kind of wide aperture there to
00:33:18.700
understand what exactly that means. Can you drill down a bit on what this means for Taiwan, both
00:33:24.820
juxtaposing it historically, but also if you, this seems to be like maybe the most we've really gotten
00:33:31.560
from the Trump administration in a concrete form on Taiwan, but what you think this bodes looking into
00:33:36.660
the future? And again, it's important because it is the national security strategy of the U.S.
00:33:42.860
So the language is not the way you would write it or the way I would write it, certainly. And it does
00:33:50.960
seem to really elide into a calculated, the ambiguity that previous administrations have emphasized.
00:34:01.500
Taiwan's important for the U.S., of course, for economic reasons, the chip producers, of course.
00:34:08.480
And if we were to lose that in the short term, that would be disastrous for the economy. It's also
00:34:13.840
important in military terms because it's, in essence, the cork in the bottle on the first island
00:34:19.960
chain occupies key geostrategic space. And then thirdly, it's important in political warfare context
00:34:27.280
because it shows what China could be if it were democratic, right? If the communists hadn't come
00:34:32.620
to power in 1949, the people of China could be living as freely as the people of Taiwan do. So
00:34:41.360
it's important for all of those reasons. And it would have been, I think it would have been quite
00:34:47.120
useful. It would have been strategically helpful for all audiences globally for those points to be in
00:34:53.580
that document. So, but nonetheless, it does make the remarks as you suggested, as you called out
00:35:00.540
regarding deterrence in Taiwan. So the document, again, really gets back to, it's written through
00:35:11.080
an economic lens. And when you see the world the way economists and the way financiers do it,
00:35:16.200
you miss a lot of the strategy. And you miss a lot of important points that are relevant to
00:35:23.660
geostrategy, the geostrategic position of the U.S. And so those elements, I think, were there at the
00:35:32.040
same time, of course, with the emphasis on Western hemisphere and the emphasis, of course, on the
00:35:37.640
other points that we've talked about. Those, of course, are to the great credit of the document.
00:35:43.400
I'm curious. I want to sort of play devil's advocate. And by that, I mean what the mainstream
00:35:49.180
media and their think tank counterparts will say. I want to read what is a quote that I think has
00:35:54.540
gotten a lot of positive traction from the MAGA side of the fence, which is, quote,
00:35:58.480
our elites badly miscalculated America's willingness to shoulder forever global burdens to which the
00:36:03.160
American people saw no connection to the national interest. It goes on. There's a lot of rhetoric like
00:36:08.060
this. But to the critics who would say that this is essentially the United States abdicating
00:36:12.320
its role, its footing in the world stage and, frankly, letting China almost supplant them or
00:36:18.740
replace them or saying that at least you're going to have some sort of, you know, bipolar. If not,
00:36:23.460
I saw an article today talking about a trilateral world order. What would you say to people who are
00:36:30.200
saying that this is the United States abandoning its role in the world?
00:36:33.580
Well, it's not. And clearly, the document doesn't say that, and the sky isn't falling in that respect. I think
00:36:41.540
the document is quite clear. Under the Trump administration, the direction of U.S. strategy, how the U.S.
00:36:52.100
defines strategy, how it defines its national interest, as the document is clear in stating, is changing.
00:36:59.060
And as a result of that, other countries are going to have to adjust to it. But the document is quite
00:37:06.720
clear regarding the importance of the U.S. nuclear deterrent and the role that that plays. It's quite
00:37:14.000
clear on the role of military power, the U.S. military power and the need for the U.S. to maintain its
00:37:20.040
dominance in the conventional realm, as well as in the cyber realm and other realms as well. So it's not,
00:37:29.060
um, uh, essentially abandoning the rest of the world, uh, to retreat back, uh, to the, uh, the
00:37:36.660
Western hemisphere. It's doing its utmost to say, we need to recalculate. We had spent too much blood
00:37:44.560
and treasure, uh, in CENTCOM. We'd spent too much blood and treasure in the Middle East, if you will,
00:37:50.040
larger Middle East, Southwest, uh, Asia. That has to change. There has to be an emphasis on the Indo-Pacific.
00:37:57.500
There has to be an emphasis on the Western hemisphere, and there has to be an emphasis
00:38:01.880
in Europe. The problem in Europe is not just Ukraine. It's not Russia and Ukraine. The problem
00:38:07.860
in Europe is demographic change, immigration, and censorship, right? Increasing totalitarianism,
00:38:15.160
uh, in, uh, in Europe, driven largely by, uh, the EU. And so when you're changing the rudder,
00:38:22.980
when you're changing course, I think it's important to recognize the new direction that that new
00:38:29.220
direction does not come at the cost, uh, really of other, uh, existing commitments that the United
00:38:35.140
States has. Again, as the document is clear in its section on the Middle East, right, it's saying that
00:38:40.560
we're, um, moving away, uh, in terms of emphasis from the Middle East, but there's still, the U.S.
00:38:47.320
still has, uh, many interests in the Middle East that the United States will defend as well as in
00:38:52.100
Africa, uh, too. So, uh, it's always best to consult the document, uh, itself rather than relying
00:38:58.980
on what the media, uh, are saying about it. Uh, and, um, when you do so, I think, um, uh, you can see
00:39:06.520
of those differences. And that's quite clear in the front matter in the document when they're
00:39:10.860
talking about strategy, what the Trump administration means by strategy and what
00:39:15.100
the Trump administration means by national interests. And then thirdly, um, in the document
00:39:21.240
says, again, quite explicitly, um, that we're not de-emphasizing areas of the world. What we're
00:39:28.080
doing is we're just in this document calling attention to areas that have been neglected,
00:39:32.700
like the homeland, like the Western hemisphere and threats that have been building for decades.
00:39:40.280
Obviously the, uh, China in that respect, but how Europe has, um, gone down the wrong course
00:39:47.120
as taking the wrong path and is at risk of, as the document says, civilizational erasure,
00:39:53.060
uh, which would be, uh, incredibly damaging of course, for a Western hemisphere and for
00:39:59.720
of the United States itself and how the United States defines itself.
00:40:05.800
Dr. Thayer, as always, thank you for joining us. I really appreciate you
00:40:08.860
breaking this down and indulging my kind of all over the place questions. If people want
00:40:13.840
to follow you and stay up to date with everything you're writing, posting on Getter, all of that,
00:40:21.000
Well, Natalie, great to see you again. I'm at Brad Theron X and Bradley Theron Getter and, um,
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on, on truth. Uh, thanks very much. Thank you, sir. I appreciate it.
00:40:32.440
And I think we got Joe Allen. I had to have Joe Allen back on after Wednesday's show. I think we,
00:40:37.580
uh, we, we made some news in our crusade against the, uh, the big tech bros. You've got a few minutes,
00:40:42.500
Joe, I want to hold you through the break. Um, but just give me the latest on everything we're
00:40:46.140
talking about Wednesday, where we stand on the sort of AI regulation, uh, tussle.
00:40:50.600
Well, Natalie, the tussle continues. Uh, David Sachs and company are still pushing for the
00:40:58.380
executive order that would preempt state laws on artificial intelligence. There is quite a bit
00:41:05.680
of a struggle at the white house at the moment. I am at least reasonably confident that we have a
00:41:12.120
fighting chance to ensure that president Trump gets the message and does not side with Sachs.
00:41:20.580
There are a lot of different voices in the white house, pushing the president to make a decision
00:41:25.660
one way or the other. I've heard, and it's a fairly reliable that, uh, everyone from Marco Rubio to
00:41:33.840
DNI, Tulsi Gabbard to the UN ambassador, Mike Waltz are voicing real caution and urging the president
00:41:43.040
to leave AI legislation up to the States, or at the very least to allow States to pass laws
00:41:50.500
to regulate AI, to mitigate the damage and to ensure that they have the right to chart their
00:41:58.760
own course into this bizarre future that we're entering into. And of course you have on the other
00:42:04.900
side of that, David Sachs and company. JD Vance has yet to speak out on this. As far as I know,
00:42:11.860
it seems with all of his connections to the tech industry, he should have a very strong opinion on
00:42:17.420
this. Uh, one would hope that Vance would come out against an EO that would restrict States from
00:42:26.340
legislating on AI. So the war room posse actually can let their voices be heard. You know, I'm not
00:42:34.220
much of a political activist, Natalie, but on this, I think it's really important that the posse is able
00:42:42.560
to flood the zone and of course flood the phone. So I urge you to call the white house and respectfully
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Text Bannon to 989898. You're back in the war room. We've got more Joe Allen for you. Joe,
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I'm curious, feel free to pick up where you left off if there's anything else that you think this
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audience needs to know that can better inform the phone calls, the emails, whatever they're going to
00:46:04.100
do to get the message out there. But was this an executive order that you think was just supposed
00:46:09.400
to sort of be done, maybe we'll call it in the style of Biden, but done in the dead of night at
00:46:14.760
midnight? There really wasn't ever supposed to be a stink about it. No one was ever supposed to
00:46:18.040
really catch on. It was just supposed to sort of euphemistically be passed. People are too bored
00:46:23.900
to look at the intricacies of regulations. And is it really just up to war room to stop that from
00:46:28.780
happening? You know, that's a really good question, Natalie, because, you know, the EO leak,
00:46:34.800
the draft came out right when the moratorium language was pulled from the NDAA. So you had
00:46:43.360
that fight going on and it's unclear. I don't know why it got leaked. It's quite possible that it got
00:46:51.260
leaked intentionally in order to gauge public sentiment around this. And should President Trump have an
00:46:58.380
executive order presented to him on federal preemption? It's possible, and I hope that this
00:47:04.740
is the case, that the language is softened tremendously because the draft of the EO would
00:47:12.080
empower, if signed, would empower the Department of Justice to sue, to file suit against any state
00:47:20.300
whose AI laws ran afoul of the national AI agenda. Now, in my opinion, I can completely understand why
00:47:29.540
from a national security perspective, or from even a medical perspective, possibly an economic
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perspective, why you would want to have one policy, one framework to allow AI companies to operate
00:47:45.460
without interference from states. But that's not the primary thrust of AI as we see it right now.
00:47:52.360
The primary thrust, we see the four frontier companies deploying their models completely
00:47:59.520
recklessly. We see, it's very obvious, kids and even adults' brains being completely fried by large
00:48:07.700
language models. Endless generation of AI-produced slop flooding the internet. You have the specter of
00:48:16.240
deepfakes creeping up on our heels. And that's why you have people like Ron DeSantis coming out with
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the AI Bill of Rights in Florida. Now, from, say, a Trump perspective, from President Trump's
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perspective, Ron DeSantis came against the president in the primaries. You don't want Ron DeSantis
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to have the reins on MAGA if you want to put your stamp on the future. Because without a doubt,
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the sentiment of the country is not in favor of federal preemption. The sentiment of the country
00:48:53.340
is to give each state their freedom to determine the path forward into an artificial intelligence
00:49:00.640
saturated future. So the real key message here, if you're going to call the White House, if you're
00:49:08.500
going to call your senator, if you're going to call your representatives, you need to give a positive
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statement. We want states to have the right to pass laws regarding artificial intelligence. We do not want
00:49:24.860
federal preemption. We do not want a moratorium on states' rights. So that number again, Natalie,
00:49:32.720
for the posse, call the White House as politely and respectfully as you possibly can. And I know some
00:49:40.360
of y'all are wild. As politely as you can, just tell them, we want states to have the right to pass laws
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regulating and legislating AI. The number is 202-456-1414. If you get an answering machine,
00:50:00.900
again, as respectfully as you can, and I only say this because I know how wild you are when you come
00:50:05.440
out to my talks, just state we want the right, our state, to have the right to determine our own
00:50:15.180
future. We do not want an AI moratorium. We want the right to legislate and mitigate the damage
00:50:22.580
of artificial intelligence. Joe Allen, if people want to follow you, keep up to date with everything
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you've got going on, where can they go to do that? You can find me on social media at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z
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or my website, JoeBot.X-Y-Z. Thank you very much, Natalie. Thank you, Joe, for coming back on. I
00:50:45.380
appreciate it. Warren Posse, trying to track down Mike Lindell, but I think that means you got two
00:50:53.240
more minutes of me. I think it's really important for this audience to get the signal and not the
00:50:58.280
noise on all things related to this national security strategy twofold. One, obviously, we are
00:51:05.500
here in the war room where the heart, the tip of the spear when it comes to prioritizing the homeland
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and homeland defense and securing the border, but I think if the Trump administration wants to say
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that that is their priority, then they really need to not double, triple, but quadruple down on actually
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making sure these mass deportations are that, are mass, are massive, and are actually deportations,
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not just tweeting that we're going to end migration from third world countries, but actually do it in a
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codified legal way, and it's not just about stopping, turning off the water, turning off the
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tap. It's also about retroactively going back and rooting out all of these third world migrants who
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are destroying this country. That's obviously the largest threat to this country, but you can also,
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I think, walk and chew gum at the same time, which is realizing the existential threat that is the
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Chinese Communist Party, and it's quite interesting. There's a section there where they enumerate bullet
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point after bullet point after bullet point, basically, all of the egregious acts, frankly,
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of war, certainly unrestricted war, that China has engaged in against the United States, but instead
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of calling out the Chinese Communist Party by name, they just hypothetically say, well, any country
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that has engaged in this, whether it's propaganda, IP theft, you know, robbing workers of their wages,
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take your pick. I think the Trump administration should have the courage to call out the Chinese
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Communist Party to call out China by name and not treat them like the Bill Clintons and the
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Democrats and the established Republicans of the world have for decades, which is an economic
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partner because you guys, this audience, you don't get to see the upside of that. It's the 1% that does.
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More on that. We've got a packed show this weekend, of course, next week. Thank you for
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