Bannon's War Room - December 09, 2025


Episode 4982： SCOTUS To Restore Presidential Authority; Lies State Funded Of Capitalism


Episode Stats

Length

56 minutes

Words per Minute

180.89482

Word Count

10,306

Sentence Count

721

Misogynist Sentences

8

Hate Speech Sentences

16


Summary

Join us in the War Room as we hear from Sen. Mike Lee (R-Indy) and Sen. John Fredericks (D-Indiana) as they argue the case of the 2026 Redistricting Case.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:00:07.320 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
00:00:12.560 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:00:16.840 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:00:18.780 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:00:20.200 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,
00:00:21.940 but you're not going to stop it.
00:00:22.860 It's going to happen.
00:00:24.120 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
00:00:27.520 Mega Media.
00:00:28.440 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:34.360 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:38.060 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:00:44.460 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Vann.
00:00:53.600 It's Monday, 8 December, Year of our Lord, 2025.
00:00:56.360 We are very packed today.
00:00:58.320 Natalie Wynn is going to join me as my co-host to go through huge news on artificial intelligence and chip sales.
00:01:05.120 We'll get to that in a moment with Natalie.
00:01:06.720 Also, Senator Mike Lee, huge argument at the Supreme Court today.
00:01:10.460 Senator Mike Lee will join us a little later.
00:01:11.820 I want to go to the pressing business about 2026.
00:01:16.060 Remember, the theory of the case here, you've got to win the redistricting war to win the midterms in 2026 and, therefore, to keep the Trump revolution going.
00:01:25.740 John Fredericks is live in Indianapolis.
00:01:28.340 It moved over to the Senate today.
00:01:30.080 We were very successful in the House last week, John.
00:01:32.780 Turning points rally on Friday.
00:01:35.620 You having the John Fredericks MAGA bus there helped.
00:01:39.320 How are we doing in the Senate, sir?
00:01:42.380 Well, today's a big day, Steve.
00:01:43.800 We're here at the state capitol.
00:01:44.860 Thank you for having me.
00:01:46.300 We're about 30 minutes away from the final vote on the committee.
00:01:50.100 There's been hours of testimony.
00:01:52.140 A few hours ago, this return that was absolutely packed, mainly about 300 anti-districting protesters, some I interviewed, all of them coming from an organization, whether it be Planned Parenthood or something else.
00:02:04.980 That is kind of thinned out now as the testimony gets done.
00:02:09.480 Let me just bottom line this.
00:02:11.100 This thing has got to get out of committee within the next hour.
00:02:14.600 There are nine committee members.
00:02:16.520 We need five votes.
00:02:17.520 There are four hard no's, two Democrats and two Republicans who are voting no.
00:02:23.340 They're with Roderick Bray.
00:02:25.080 So we need the other five.
00:02:26.600 We think we've got three of them solid, two of them.
00:02:29.800 We expect to vote in favor of getting this out of committee.
00:02:33.200 This should be about six o'clock Eastern time.
00:02:36.360 Once it gets out of committee, then we start going through the three readings.
00:02:39.620 We're going to get this vote to the floor.
00:02:41.780 And then we're looking at Thursday night or Friday where there's going to be a vote of the full Senate.
00:02:47.480 We need 26 votes.
00:02:49.220 Right now, I'm told, as of right now, this moment, we have 23 solid votes.
00:02:55.960 We're down three.
00:02:57.480 We're working them hard.
00:02:59.100 Mike Braun, governor, just made a statement.
00:03:01.560 He was pretty confident that he would get this over the finish line.
00:03:05.240 But it's going to be a lot of work between now and then to get to 26.
00:03:08.560 You hear some of the protesters screaming behind me.
00:03:12.480 You know, there's a lot of people here that are very upset, obviously.
00:03:16.340 But we need these three votes.
00:03:18.120 Here's one thing that's concerning.
00:03:20.100 One of the senators, Rick Namai, who I talked to last night, should be with us.
00:03:24.660 He's Southern Indiana.
00:03:25.600 He's 50-50.
00:03:26.520 His cousin is running for Congress.
00:03:28.440 But here's what's disturbing.
00:03:29.900 He got a personal call last night, Sunday night, from Speaker of the House Mike Johnson.
00:03:35.220 And he didn't commit to Mike Johnson.
00:03:37.860 So this is not a good sign.
00:03:39.600 I think we can still get there.
00:03:41.220 But when you're a state senator and you get the Speaker of the House calling you up and you can't commit to him on the phone on a Sunday night, you know, that is not the best.
00:03:50.100 Let me get out of the glare.
00:03:51.660 That is not the best sign we're going to have.
00:03:54.020 Now, what MAGA is saying is they're going to primary all of these people that vote no.
00:04:00.960 This is not a turning point.
00:04:02.440 This is MAGA.
00:04:03.140 They got a billion dollars plus.
00:04:05.040 They're going to primary.
00:04:05.640 Also, they're telling me that money that's going to Indiana and SMPs, which are the nuclear reactors, USDA hubs, all of this, the White House is saying, we're cutting you off.
00:04:20.540 You're not getting a dime.
00:04:21.800 So that message is getting out.
00:04:23.720 The stakes here in Indiana are tremendously high, not only for the redistricting, but very high for getting money from the White House.
00:04:32.620 These guys are playing hardball, Steve.
00:04:34.100 They're not going to take no for an answer.
00:04:36.600 And so any of these people vote no.
00:04:38.720 And this thing goes down on Friday.
00:04:41.420 The primary is going to start immediately.
00:04:44.400 They're shipping Chris Lasavita here.
00:04:46.620 They're going to spend over seven figures apiece.
00:04:49.340 And they're going to cut the state off from the funding you're getting in some of these goodie bag things that they're allocating for Indiana, Steve.
00:04:57.680 Talk to me about the footage you sent me earlier about what happened today for their rally.
00:05:03.060 Of course, turning point is always quite positive.
00:05:06.440 The people today, that got a little ugly, didn't it, the rally they had of the opposition?
00:05:11.760 It was very ugly.
00:05:12.720 Look, they had about 300 people here.
00:05:14.700 They got here early and they were screaming and shouting as they went through the testimony on TV.
00:05:19.060 Obviously, you can't get that number of people in the chamber.
00:05:21.620 But they were all out here in the Rotunda.
00:05:23.720 I interviewed a couple of them.
00:05:25.000 I mean, they're just mad.
00:05:27.500 But none of them, this is the thing.
00:05:30.300 Nobody I talked to just got up and decided to come here.
00:05:32.980 This was all organized by either Planned Parenthood or some other left-wing organization, right?
00:05:38.900 That's why they all got here.
00:05:40.960 And so, but then look, they came out.
00:05:42.980 There were about 300 of them.
00:05:44.380 I mean, I found a handful of supporters of redistricting here that came on their own.
00:05:49.380 Some of them camped out in the lieutenant governor's office.
00:05:53.160 That's Micah Beckwith.
00:05:54.140 He's with us.
00:05:55.220 But it was probably, you know, 350 to 10 as far as against and for.
00:06:01.300 But it was getting really, really, really nasty here.
00:06:03.900 Look, they want to stop this.
00:06:06.780 All the signs are all about Trump, fascist, you know, one-party system.
00:06:11.660 All the things they're doing.
00:06:12.900 It was interesting because I asked one of the ladies, the question, who has said, you know,
00:06:17.160 this isn't the Indiana way and, you know, the Republicans shouldn't do this.
00:06:20.680 And I'm like, well, are you a Democrat?
00:06:23.160 She said, geez.
00:06:23.680 I said, well, what about California and Virginia and all these things that don't have a single
00:06:28.920 Republican representative?
00:06:31.320 How does that square reconcile with what you're saying?
00:06:34.700 And of course, you get the same answer.
00:06:36.080 You always go, hey, we can't control them.
00:06:39.820 We can only control Indiana.
00:06:41.980 But the anxiety I felt from the leftists that we have, basically, the people that are here
00:06:50.300 are Marxists, Steve.
00:06:51.380 That's the bottom line.
00:06:53.180 They want a communist takeover of the country.
00:06:56.060 They're out in force.
00:06:57.200 That's what they want.
00:06:58.540 Indiana's right now on the front lines to stop that.
00:07:02.180 Let me ask you, you know, the optics here are very important because, correct me if I'm
00:07:05.660 wrong, you're saying the committee is nine people.
00:07:08.340 There's already four hard no's.
00:07:09.920 That means we have to sweep the rest of them.
00:07:12.780 Anyone would be looking for anything to hide behind.
00:07:15.100 Of the testimony today, in Texas, we went through three days and there was not one Republican
00:07:21.340 or not one group that stood up and did a positive.
00:07:23.840 There was three days of negative.
00:07:26.300 Today, in front of the Senate, were there any people there pitching for this is the fair
00:07:31.600 thing to do?
00:07:32.240 Or was all these Marxist groups, organized groups there just to intimidate senators?
00:07:37.860 That's a great question.
00:07:39.180 And unlike Texas, I was not there for the whole time.
00:07:42.860 I was there for about two of the, this thing went out for about four or five hours.
00:07:47.240 When I was there, it was 50, it was 50-50.
00:07:49.880 So they did a good job in getting somebody for and somebody in opposition to it.
00:07:55.200 And a lot of the, you know, speeches were maxed to two minutes.
00:07:58.300 Two minutes came, you were cut off.
00:07:59.980 So, you know, these, the ones that were opposed to it, obviously they get big cheers here because
00:08:05.980 it's on TV.
00:08:07.340 Those that were for it, you know, you get basically a boo or a hiss or whatever, but it was about
00:08:12.380 50-50.
00:08:13.280 So they did a good job in that.
00:08:14.520 John, you've been in some pretty tough gunfights over the last 10 or 12 years doing this,
00:08:20.540 and particularly taking the bus around.
00:08:22.860 Explain to the audience how nasty and how tough these redistricting fights are, sir.
00:08:27.820 This is probably the nastiest thing that I've been involved in.
00:08:32.240 And, you know, I started this thing in 2015 with President Trump in Iowa, okay?
00:08:37.200 And I saw Ted Cruz and Jeff Rose steal the, uh, steal the caucus by making up lies about
00:08:44.560 Ben Carson, right?
00:08:46.200 Just said he was, said he was out of the race.
00:08:48.780 He didn't have enough people at the caucuses.
00:08:51.020 He went home to get a suit and they said he was out of the race and beat him.
00:08:54.460 Simon threw a lot of nasty stuff on both sides.
00:08:56.720 This is a nasty fight, Steve.
00:08:59.180 And I tell you what, it is not for the squeamish.
00:09:01.420 It is not for the faint of heart.
00:09:03.060 If you're in this fight, you're going to be in it to the end.
00:09:05.700 And for these state senators, the stakes are going to be high.
00:09:08.980 And if, if you bail on us, uh, there are going to be repercussions.
00:09:13.380 You, you might as well find a new line of work because you're not going to remain a state
00:09:18.300 senator.
00:09:18.760 I can guarantee you that.
00:09:20.020 And it's also going to cost Indy, Indiana hundreds of millions of dollars.
00:09:24.560 You know, the, the white house decides where to put these things like a USD hub.
00:09:29.380 That's their decision right now.
00:09:30.900 It's going to Indiana.
00:09:32.020 They lose this vote.
00:09:33.120 That's that's gone.
00:09:34.340 The senators are gone, but the opposition here is dug in because they see the stakes.
00:09:39.300 They know that if we start winning these redistricting fights, we got a fighting chance to keep the
00:09:45.300 house as bad as things appear now.
00:09:47.280 And their power slips away.
00:09:49.380 Indiana is more than two votes.
00:09:51.440 It's like, well, why are you doing all this for two votes?
00:09:53.520 No, it isn't two votes.
00:09:54.880 It's 20 votes because if we win this, it's going to give the backbone to other Republican state
00:10:01.000 houses to do the same thing, redistrict and get us, say, get us like New England, who's
00:10:07.380 got six states without a single Republican representative, including Hawaii and others.
00:10:12.620 So we need to do the same thing.
00:10:14.680 You can't go to a bazooka.
00:10:16.380 They have bazookas.
00:10:17.820 We want to go into that with a pop gun and we're getting slaughtered.
00:10:21.300 That's really what the difference is.
00:10:22.960 That's why we're all here.
00:10:24.480 If we can take the fight with them here and win this fight, you got to remember when we
00:10:28.120 got here on Tuesday, this thing had about a 10%, 15% chance of passing.
00:10:32.140 It didn't have a shot.
00:10:33.320 It already got beat until Mike Braun brought it back.
00:10:36.800 And they told me when I got here, this is a long shot bid.
00:10:40.120 Well, we're all long shot bid, Steve.
00:10:43.200 Freedom is a long shot bid.
00:10:45.280 When Trump went down the escalator, he was at 3%.
00:10:48.140 That's a long shot bid.
00:10:49.460 So you got to lace them up, lace them tight, dig in, action, action, action.
00:10:53.660 Okay, we got to sweep the five folks right now on the Senate.
00:10:59.160 We got four hard-nosed, nine-man committee.
00:11:01.760 Got to come out of committee today.
00:11:03.460 We got to get all five votes.
00:11:04.680 That'll happen sometime around 6 o'clock.
00:11:07.160 Before I lose you, we'll follow the logistics here.
00:11:09.460 Before I lose you, our beloved Commonwealth of Virginia, I understand you had some state
00:11:13.760 convention or state gathering this weekend.
00:11:15.740 And what people tell me, there wasn't a lot of intense focus on this April redistricting.
00:11:22.460 The people in the Commonwealth right now understand that when you talk about momentum, because
00:11:27.120 you're a degenerate gambler in football, you know it's a momentum game, that when you talk
00:11:32.380 about momentum, the momentum we would get here in Indiana and other places with victories
00:11:36.900 would be washed out by a blowout loss in Virginia in April, where they would go 6-5 to 10-1.
00:11:44.280 Sir, any update on that?
00:11:46.720 Oh, they're going to get blown out.
00:11:48.200 They have no plan.
00:11:49.480 There's no party.
00:11:50.380 They got a beeper and a couple of people, and I think maybe they got somebody got a
00:11:54.100 cell phone.
00:11:54.840 There's absolutely no infrastructure there.
00:11:57.080 The only way to beat this referendum, if it actually goes to a referendum, because the
00:12:02.380 Supreme Court of Virginia may put a stall on it, that's unlikely.
00:12:07.040 It's going to go to a referendum.
00:12:08.720 I said this the other day.
00:12:10.240 They have a ridiculous strategy.
00:12:12.760 They want to beat it with good governance, get Democrats together, get George Allen,
00:12:17.980 you know, get the old guard, you know, go on, try to tell people about good governance.
00:12:23.340 OK, that is going to fail.
00:12:24.800 You want to beat this thing.
00:12:26.100 You want to get the Trump voters out.
00:12:27.940 You got to go up and down I-81.
00:12:30.400 You can't stop.
00:12:31.400 That's what you got to do.
00:12:32.280 You got to put millions of dollars behind it in order to stop this.
00:12:35.160 Otherwise, you're going to get beat two to one, just like they did with their good governance
00:12:39.920 plan in California.
00:12:41.620 How'd that work out, Steve?
00:12:43.780 It's a joke.
00:12:45.560 McCarthy and Schwarzenegger didn't invite, they kept Trump out, lost by 30 points, a
00:12:50.040 blowout, and launched Gavin Newsom's presidential campaign.
00:12:54.160 This is why someone in the Commonwealth has got to get focused.
00:12:56.460 You're only going to win this by getting Trump involved and getting Trump voters out.
00:13:00.340 Am I off base on that, John?
00:13:03.240 No, you're 100 percent right.
00:13:04.580 But that, too, is going to be a long shot, because if they put it on a referendum, look,
00:13:09.840 we couldn't get Trump voters out this past election for Jason Mieras to, you know, beat
00:13:15.220 a guy that wanted to assassinate the speaker, his wife and children.
00:13:19.180 They just didn't want to come out.
00:13:20.420 They were uninspired.
00:13:21.760 Now you could try to get them out for a referendum.
00:13:24.240 They don't even know what it is.
00:13:25.700 Here's the other problem.
00:13:26.900 If the Democrats put this on the ballot, they're going to tie to a gay marriage, same-sex
00:13:31.640 marriage.
00:13:32.000 They're going to tie to a codifying abortion up to birth.
00:13:36.920 They're going to codify that.
00:13:38.200 They're going to get things in this referendum to spar the base and get them out.
00:13:42.960 And this thing is going to be very tough to beat without a strategy that is hardball.
00:13:48.280 I mean, they want to play softball.
00:13:50.000 It's like they want to tee the ball up.
00:13:51.820 And then when it's on the tee, they want to, they want to punch.
00:13:56.100 I mean, you got to swing for a whole run.
00:13:58.600 It's incredible.
00:14:00.400 Let's lay down a bunch.
00:14:01.620 John, social media, where we get the bus, where we find out the results of this vote this
00:14:06.500 afternoon, where people go.
00:14:08.460 I'm going to put a write up, go to at JF radio show.
00:14:10.640 I'm on Instagram, TikTok, everything is there, at JF radio show.
00:14:15.260 And you can find me 6 to 10 a.m.
00:14:17.380 Monday to Friday at JF radio show.
00:14:20.600 I'm on all social media, all our radio stations, download our app, and you're good to go.
00:14:24.580 But I'll put something out right after this vote tonight.
00:14:27.060 And then it's on to Friday.
00:14:29.760 John Fredericks, thank you very much.
00:14:31.140 Reporting live from the state capitol, Indiana, in Indianapolis.
00:14:38.140 Great.
00:14:38.780 The Hoosiers, number one seed in the college football poll.
00:14:42.700 The folks in South Bend not even invited.
00:14:45.060 Pretty shocking.
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00:17:25.540 Natalie Winters, so much has gone on today.
00:17:27.480 I'm going to toss to you, introduce you.
00:17:29.920 You've got a cold open here.
00:17:31.720 And part of this, I want to get back and talk about the chips.
00:17:34.980 You know, you've got the AI.
00:17:36.600 We've got now presidents told us they're going to have an executive order.
00:17:40.080 We've defeated the AI amnesty twice.
00:17:44.120 The tech broligarchs are kind of misleading the president about where these things stand.
00:17:48.880 I'm sure he's not.
00:17:49.620 I'm sure they're not telling him, hey, we're getting wiped, slick.
00:17:51.780 That's why we need an EO.
00:17:52.800 But part of this, as you know, Natalie, and your beat has always been the Chinese Communist Party as the strategic existential threat to the globe, to the United States, to the Lao Bajing, to East Asia, all of it.
00:18:07.560 And yet here we are worried about them.
00:18:12.520 You know, we have to do everything in the world.
00:18:14.560 We have to turn over everything in the world to turn it to the broligarchs, to turn the national labs over to them because we've had a Sputnik moment and we're in this race with the Chinese.
00:18:23.000 And then, on the other hand, Jensen Wong and these other arms dealers, because that's what they are as arms dealers, are convincing people that they've got to sell the advanced chips to, guess what, keep China into the AI race.
00:18:37.000 Those two thoughts I can't hold in balance.
00:18:39.060 So, ma'am, I'm going to turn it over to you and let it rip.
00:18:41.520 Sure. Well, I think existential threat aside, obviously, that's how we view the Chinese Communist Party here in the war room.
00:18:48.560 I also think we're uniquely interested in China because it always sort of seems to be the punching bag and the cop-out that, whether you want to call them the tech broligarchs, the military industrial complex, take your pick,
00:18:59.340 they sort of, you know, create to be this enemy that they don't actually want to address.
00:19:03.020 They only want to address it with kid gloves, but they use it as sort of a distraction or a shiny toy to justify whether it's, you know, a bloated defense budget,
00:19:10.940 that, of course, coming from the Pentagon, whether it's these tech people saying, oh, well, we've got to just give them every chip in the book,
00:19:16.180 or, frankly, it's how you justify the H-1B madness, right?
00:19:19.280 It always goes back to China, but then when we say, well, hey, let's actually confront the Chinese Communist Party,
00:19:24.360 let's, for example, delist them from the stock exchange, then all of a sudden, you know, oh, no, no, no, it's all about collaboration.
00:19:29.920 We're one and the same. We have an interesting story up on my substack today, which I think dovetails quite nicely
00:19:35.640 into the broader chip discussion, which I know we'll have. I want to tee up the clip because I think we should play it
00:19:40.860 because I think it's most powerful to hear those Americans that choose to sell out to the Chinese Communist Party
00:19:46.300 in their own words. I won't paraphrase it, but the person that you're about to see speak,
00:19:51.560 this is someone who has taken in millions, upwards of $5 million, that's responsible for over 80% of the operating budget
00:19:58.140 of the Bush China Foundation, speaking in Hong Kong at a forum put on by the China United States Exchange Foundation,
00:20:06.040 the tip of the spear of the communist influence kind of global network that the Chinese Communist Party,
00:20:11.020 their Ministry of State Security runs. Bad enough that Neil Bush, the son of George H.W. Bush,
00:20:16.280 like I said, one of the leaders of the Bush China Foundation, is speaking there.
00:20:20.120 But listen to what his plans are, including making you guys, the war room audience, quote,
00:20:25.200 less fearful of China. Let's roll the clip.
00:20:29.340 I spend very little time. David does all the heavy lifting for the Bush Foundation. I'm a businessman.
00:20:34.940 And I think it's pretty imperative that we have more interaction between, you know, government leaders.
00:20:41.180 So let's give credit for the president's meeting. The more they meet, the more they'll have better
00:20:47.300 understandings, the lower the tension we'll get. And hopefully the more normalized the relationship
00:20:52.800 will look and the less fearful Americans will be of China. We need more minister to minister.
00:20:58.700 We need more student exchanges. We need more exchanges on all fronts, cultural and all fronts,
00:21:05.440 including business. And in fact, the business relationships that exist today from after 40
00:21:11.660 years of development, the roots of those relationships are so deeply embedded. American
00:21:20.660 companies doing business in China, American companies buying stuff from China, Chinese companies
00:21:25.360 participating on the American stock, U.S. stock exchanges. You know, there's a deeply rooted
00:21:32.320 relationship in that. That's, I think, going to be kind of the ballast for the relationship going
00:21:37.340 forward. So I'll give you one example of a collaboration that I've participated in.
00:21:42.420 There are two areas of there are many areas of low hanging fruit for business cooperation.
00:21:47.880 One is climate. So I've been working with a with a an American company that has an interesting
00:21:54.960 storage technology. It's never been built on a commercial scale. We brought a Chinese partner in to
00:22:00.980 invest in the U.S. company. They also bought an exclusive license. And now they've spent over
00:22:06.000 100 million dollars building this gravity based storage solution in the renewable in for the new
00:22:13.180 renewable business in Rudong, China. So it's a it's a great example of an area where there's less of a
00:22:20.500 fewer barriers to collaboration climate where U.S. technology and know how and intellectual property
00:22:28.240 is being is being implemented by Chinese that happen to be pretty good at building stuff and doing it at
00:22:35.560 scale. And so I'm not as discouraged, I think, as many of you are that there can be no more business
00:22:43.020 done there because whether it's climate, food security, aging, you know, there are so many areas,
00:22:50.260 health related things where there are our collaborations. There need to be more collaborations
00:22:56.160 and those walls, you know, need to be broken down. Collaborationists is right. Is that and correct
00:23:04.120 me if I'm wrong, the Bushes, this is the same family that when Deng Xiaoping slaughtered 10,000
00:23:10.060 people and freedom fighters and students, art students, building the goddess of liberty in Tiananmen
00:23:17.420 Square, he sent over his general head of the National Security Council to say, hey, look, we just got to
00:23:24.040 figure things out. You got to tone this down and we'll get you into the World Trade Organization.
00:23:28.080 We'll get you into most favored nation. Is that the same family, Natalie?
00:23:33.120 Well, I'll also raise you this. You got Richard Nixon's grandson also there at the event speaking,
00:23:39.440 giving not just a keynote address, but also participating in a panel discussion. So I guess
00:23:44.460 there's like a genetic prerequisite for selling the United States out to China to speak at this forum.
00:23:49.640 And of course, the Carter Center had multiple representatives there. We also had people
00:23:53.780 who were formerly working at State Department, working on the sort of China desk, also people
00:23:59.200 who used to be at the National Security Council, and even the CIA working on China matters. I would
00:24:04.280 probably tell the DOJ to get on that one because something tells me there are probably a lot of
00:24:09.200 documents ending up there in the hands of China that shouldn't be historically. That's always been
00:24:13.740 their playbook, right? Sort of co-opting these Western intelligence officers into giving them
00:24:18.180 whatever they so seek. But why I think, Steve, this story is so emblematic of sort of this H-200
00:24:25.580 chip decision, people like David Sachs, right? All these people who think they're such intellectuals,
00:24:30.740 the smartest people in the room. I guess it's a pretty small room. But those people are going
00:24:35.820 to be responsible for ensuring that what I think is the lie of the Thucydides trap, which is the sort
00:24:42.000 of lack of agency that the United States has in terms of being overtaken by China, by the rise of
00:24:48.460 China. They are solidifying that fate by giving China these chips. It's like refueling our enemy's
00:24:55.440 jet engines. Mid-war, I was looking at historical examples of where people have ever given their
00:25:00.740 enemies that they are in active combat against. Such an influential and impactful device, technology,
00:25:07.660 weapon, take your pick. There's absolutely no example of it because it is just unprecedented.
00:25:13.360 And when you look not just at conjecture, but if you look at Chinese law, their industrial plans,
00:25:18.560 their military strategy, they are openly admitting not just that AI, but more importantly, that the
00:25:23.980 buildup, the actual kind of making these chips domestically, that's one of the key tenets of what
00:25:30.100 they are trying to do from a military strategy standpoint. And it is not just, I mean, you can't
00:25:35.400 plead ignorance. It is intentionally, I mean, nefarious to be giving the Chinese Communist Party
00:25:41.340 access to these technologies when they're absolutely nowhere near these capabilities.
00:25:46.300 They're clear leapfrog technologies that can allow them to then basically surpass the United States.
00:25:53.000 And it's just so David Sachs and these types can make a quick buck.
00:25:57.180 It's, it's, I've covered the China issue for a very long time, as you know, on this show. And it brings me
00:26:04.800 a lot of sadness to see the Trump administration doing this.
00:26:08.960 I want to go back to something you say, let's not bury the lead. It's about the city's trap and kind of
00:26:14.360 the architecture of how our elites look at this. This is the famous discussion Graham Allison and
00:26:20.940 Henry Kissinger had about the rising, you know, Athens and Sparta, the Peloponnesian War, the
00:26:26.520 rising power and the declining power. And Graham Allison one time came over to the, came over to the
00:26:32.280 Breitbart embassy that sits atop the war room, had lunch, and we went through it. And he had a book out at
00:26:37.180 the time, Destined for War, I think was the title of it. He put the, the city's trap theory was in there.
00:26:44.300 And I asked him, I said, is there any example where on the way down, that the dominant power,
00:26:51.120 the elites made more money on the way up? And I think this example today is perfect. I think
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00:30:31.060 More room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:30:37.440 Natalie, we talk about agency a lot. One of the reasons for this show as a platform for the
00:30:43.400 grassroots leaders of the MAGA movement is people using their agency to make a difference,
00:30:49.060 to change the arc of history. What do you mean about that in regards to the selling of chips,
00:30:55.120 advanced chips to the Chinese Communist Party, about the country doesn't have its agency? What do
00:31:01.000 you mean?
00:31:02.660 Well, I think the Thucydides paradigm is uniquely applicable here. I think, as you would say,
00:31:08.200 you would maybe call it the law of thermodynamics. We'll maybe call it the law of physics, right?
00:31:13.360 What goes up must come down. But there's this sort of, I think, predetermined belief or idea that China
00:31:19.020 is the rising power. And therefore, it will rise and it will overtake the United States. And I'm not
00:31:25.020 sitting here like other China hands for decades, you know, who've been warning, saying China's going
00:31:29.340 to collapse, China's going to collapse, though their economic reality right now doesn't look too
00:31:33.800 strong. I'm not negating the obviously transition and the economy that they have, but it doesn't
00:31:40.520 necessarily imply that they are going to overtake the United States. But I think that that narrative,
00:31:45.440 which, make no mistake, that the Chinese love the Thucydides trap concept, right? That's why they
00:31:50.600 mainstreamed it. Because it's sort of, I think, the American foil to what is the number one piece
00:31:56.560 of propaganda that you hear come from Beijing, which is the idea that China's economy is just
00:32:01.480 going to rip and roar and overtake the United States and there's nothing we can do about it.
00:32:05.700 And I think American elites have really internalized that, not just for one, because they view them,
00:32:10.460 obviously, it's the market access, wanting to expand and do business over there. But it also sort of,
00:32:14.960 I think, absolves them of the moral culpability of partnering with, like you said, not just the
00:32:20.100 next essential threat to the United States, but look at the human rights abuses, look at
00:32:23.740 their whole track record on anything that we at least pretend or purport to value here
00:32:28.340 in the United States. So it's only through that mindset, right, if you assume that China is going
00:32:33.400 to overtake the United States, that you could justify giving them these chips. And you sort of see that
00:32:38.720 trend line, right, in the ideology as to why we have to give it to them. Because otherwise, what,
00:32:43.840 they're just going to continue to dominate us in a field where they actually historically will not,
00:32:48.620 even if you look at exactly where these H200s are in comparison to where they are, obviously,
00:32:53.640 the very, very heavy restrictions, blacklists, whatever, we've put a lot of their chips on from
00:32:58.020 Huawei to SMIC, take your pick. Giving them these chips really speeds up that timetable by orders of
00:33:06.420 magnitude that otherwise wouldn't be accomplished. So I think that at the end of the day, in the same way
00:33:11.880 you see that trend line in the H1B debate, the idea that you are betting against America,
00:33:16.680 you are needing foreign talent, right, the idea that just America being the number one country
00:33:22.200 is not enough. We have to somehow, I don't know, import a bunch of foreigners, or in this case,
00:33:26.460 we have to export a bunch of technology to foreigners. It's this really backwards calculation
00:33:31.120 that I just don't really quite know how you square it. And Steve, the key point here is that this was
00:33:37.420 supposed to happen in the dead of night, right? This was supposed, they're supposed to, you know,
00:33:40.940 pull the rug, the wool over your eyes, and this was supposed to just go through, whether it's the AI stuff,
00:33:45.500 or the chip stuff. And thank God for the show, for Joe Allen, people who raised awareness.
00:33:50.200 But I asked Joe when I was hosting, I was like, this was supposed to just be rolled out and sort
00:33:54.380 of quietly tucked in, whether it was the NDAA done as its own thing through Congress, now it's the
00:33:58.800 executive order. But it's the same thing. If this is such a good idea, then pitch it to the American
00:34:03.680 people. But they're not. They're only now trying to make a, you know, really dumb, asinine pitch to the
00:34:09.420 American people that it's what's somehow good for the United States economy to maintain a competitive
00:34:13.900 edge with China by giving away our only competitive edge, because they've been outed by shows like
00:34:19.940 this, by you. So it's, it's, it's so dumb. I wish we had a better argument to engage with. I'd encourage
00:34:27.100 them to read the Thucydides trap, and then maybe read some, I don't know, founding documents, some
00:34:31.400 revolutionary spirit, and understand that nothing is predetermined or predestined, certainly not the
00:34:36.400 Chinese Communist Party overtaking the United States.
00:34:38.860 I realize when Nixon did the geopolitical move, it was because we're after the evil empire, at least
00:34:45.940 the beginning stages of it. But it's interesting that both Nixon, the two nepos, you know, Neil Bush,
00:34:51.120 and you had Nixon's, what, grandson, both there. I want to remind people, and Natalie, we got to go
00:34:57.100 back down memory lane on this. I think this was late 2019, or I think it was early 2020, the first one,
00:35:03.580 January, when we shifted the one hour of war room impeachment to war room pandemic. And of course,
00:35:10.420 Raheem and, you know, Raheem stuck around. Jason Miller said, I don't know, you guys have lost your
00:35:15.520 mind. War room impeachment's on fire, what are you doing? But I believe you had been an, people don't
00:35:20.720 know this, Natalie's worked with us forever. You were an intern first for Raheem over at National Pulse, and
00:35:26.800 then you segued over. Your, if memory serves me correctly, your very first story, the very first
00:35:32.860 scoop you ever broke was about the Bush, this foundation, and they literally lost their minds,
00:35:39.400 did they not? They are the gift that keeps on giving. You know, we're always about exposing the
00:35:45.720 people who are traitorous sellouts to this country. They were busy shipping masks, not that we like masks
00:35:52.240 here in the war room, but to China, back when we didn't know what was going on with COVID. And we
00:35:56.520 thought maybe we might need these masks. Instead of giving them to people in Texas who may have
00:36:01.060 ostensibly needed them, like I said, it was the early days, don't worry, I'm not pro mask.
00:36:05.000 But they sent me the equivalent of like an email cease and desist saying, change the article. This is
00:36:09.940 not true. People are calling us, pulling their donations. They're really upset. And I was 19 at the
00:36:15.280 time, maybe 18. I don't know. And I was like, no, it's true. Fact check me.
00:36:19.340 And here we are. An intern in high school, just graduated. Natalie, where do people go to get all
00:36:25.780 your stuff on Substack and all your content? Where are your coordinates? Thank you, Steve. Natalie
00:36:31.780 G. Winters on all platforms, and it's nataliegwinters.substack.com. You can read the piece,
00:36:37.060 watch the clip, and share it, and mock the bushes, because why not? Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate you.
00:36:43.580 Thank you. Senator Mike Lee, in fact, Real America's Voice has been good enough. I
00:36:49.260 think we're below the last break and go all the way to the end of the show. Senator Lee's going to
00:36:53.480 join us here momentarily, I think by phone. A very important endeavor over at the Supreme Court today
00:36:59.280 that could set a new direction, particularly about presidential power. I want to go back to this
00:37:03.840 about artificial intelligence. There is a, and we're not, although we're not accelerationist,
00:37:10.980 we understand the great potential of artificial intelligence. It does. It has incredible potential,
00:37:15.480 but it also has incredible downside. The only thing people are talking about here are some sensible
00:37:20.800 controls, and people are not arguing that the state should have all the power here, but absent
00:37:26.000 any federal regulations at all, like I said, there's more regulations on Capitol Hill right now
00:37:31.840 to open a nail salon or to braid hair than there is in the most, one of the most dangerous technologies
00:37:38.580 that mankind's ever had. And you've got to be very careful about this technology. This is not coming
00:37:42.880 from me. This is coming from the top experts in the field. And so you have to have a modicum of some
00:37:49.380 at least regulatory apparatus like we had for the Atomic Energy Commission and other regulatory
00:37:54.740 apparatuses that we have. And President Trump is the leader in the deconstruction of the administrative
00:37:58.960 state and taking on the deep state, but he still keeps a regulatory apparatus. Look at this,
00:38:04.080 this basically investment banking gunfight you've got going on right now for Warner Brothers.
00:38:10.520 You now have Paramount jumping in here and a hostile takeover. You have Netflix trying to
00:38:14.540 make an offer that people think could be, you know, could drive up your streaming bill.
00:38:20.140 All those have to be worked out. The FTC and the main justice on antitrust are two of the groups
00:38:25.220 that get in there. You have some sort of regulatory apparatus. What the tech oligarchs have done,
00:38:30.640 and I'm not so sure they fully informed President Trump, twice, not once, but twice,
00:38:35.000 on two must-pass, probably just let me know when Senator Lee's up so we can get into the,
00:38:41.420 we can get into this cold open. Not once, but twice in the last couple of months, within 100 days
00:38:46.020 of each other, they tried to put in and to must-pass legislation. The first being the reconciliation
00:38:50.720 or the big, beautiful bill. The second being the NDAA, the National Defense Authorization Act,
00:38:55.960 which is a must-pass piece of legislation that keys, that tees up the spending of the appropriations
00:39:02.140 bill for the Defense Department and the spending of the defense budget for our national security.
00:39:07.060 Twice, they tried to put in, you know, this slip-in, the AI amnesty, which basically overruled any
00:39:13.760 state regulations whatsoever in the absence of any federal regulations. And a number of people on
00:39:19.360 both sides of the aisle, you talk about, you talk about working together. You have people that are
00:39:23.500 Democrats and many Republicans are sitting there going, well, hang over a second. We don't have any
00:39:27.620 control for our children, oversight for our children, our communities, our creators,
00:39:31.720 conservatives to be blocked out, all of it. And that's just the start. We also don't really know
00:39:36.300 where these people are going. A lot of this is funded by the federal government. More importantly,
00:39:42.740 the financing for data centers and for energy and ultimately water will be trillions of dollars.
00:39:48.680 The chief financial officer of OpenAI admitted that. She said at the time, this is just weeks ago,
00:39:55.040 and this was verified by Zero Hedge, that the overall, it looks like, build out right now,
00:39:59.880 the capital budget as it exists today is going to be, I think, something to five to six trillion
00:40:06.160 dollars. And four trillion of that may be put up by debt and lending and private lending markets,
00:40:13.780 private capital markets, private equity, public equity. But at least a trillion, even on their
00:40:19.080 first cut, was going to have to be somehow is going to be involved in some sort of government finance or
00:40:23.380 guarantees. In fact, the CFO, when she was kind of outed and read the riot act by people over at
00:40:30.160 OpenAI and other accelerationists and artificial intelligence said, why did you say that? Why did
00:40:35.220 you say the quiet part out loud? She said it was at least a trillion dollars. 48 hours later, I went
00:40:41.140 to a briefing for some of the smartest people in the world on this very topic. And I was told point
00:40:45.220 blank, Steve, we really think as we calculate, we think the number is closer to nine or ten trillion
00:40:50.780 dollars for the build out of this. And that would mean, and I said, well, gosh, that would mean that
00:40:55.340 you would actually have more involvement by equity and debt capital markets. I said, no, no, no, no,
00:41:01.020 no. That other four or five trillion is probably going to have to come with some sort of government
00:41:04.120 guarantees. So you've got to act a big part of this. The whole EO I signed the other day on the
00:41:10.480 national labs and the weapons labs, we have no earthy idea about what the costs associated with
00:41:15.760 that and who's going to pay that. Should it just be the taxpayers? We're going to have to get to a
00:41:20.380 very tough conversation. It's going to be tough about the equity ownership of those companies and
00:41:26.720 who actually owns the equity or who owns all the equity. Should it just go to management and the
00:41:31.760 existing investors? Or if this is going to involve tremendous access or full access to our government
00:41:37.780 labs and national labs, which you pay for the taxpayers. And if it's going to take trillions of
00:41:42.820 dollars of debt, that's going to have to have some sort of guarantee or maybe direct lending by the
00:41:48.120 government. Who knows? Because it hasn't been discussed. Shouldn't the American citizen get his
00:41:53.420 beak wet? Shouldn't the American citizen just get a piece of the action? Not the government. I'm
00:41:58.060 talking about the American citizens themselves. If this is going to be a trillion dollar land grab
00:42:02.740 and all this value is being created, this is not socialism. This is true capitalism.
00:42:08.460 One of the problems in our system today is that it is, it's almost like state capitalism.
00:42:14.120 Right now I have a handful of companies that are the frontier labs that are driving this.
00:42:19.600 They seem to be getting most of the government benefit and most of the control of the labs.
00:42:23.540 And potentially, I guess these government guarantees they're talking about. Now that was
00:42:27.400 waved off initially, but hey, they're going to start coming back and say, well, look, to build these,
00:42:31.260 to create these jobs, you're going to have to do this. Doesn't the American people,
00:42:34.660 shouldn't the American people participate in this? If this is a whole of government approach,
00:42:39.740 this is a whole of society approach. Shouldn't society take advantage of that? Shouldn't society
00:42:46.360 have a piece of the action? More on this tomorrow. I want to know, Senator Mike Lee's with us. We have
00:42:51.740 a cold open for Senator Lee, an incredibly important day at the Supreme Court. And anytime we're talking
00:42:58.260 about the Constitution, we want Senator Mike Lee of Utah to help us break it down. Let's take a cold
00:43:02.520 open for Senator Lee and we're going to go right down. The Supreme Court is considering even more power
00:43:06.620 for the executive, in this case, President Trump. And during oral arguments today, the administration
00:43:11.460 tried to convince the justices that the president has the ultimate authority to fire anyone he wants
00:43:18.060 in the executive branch, including members of what are considered independent federal agencies,
00:43:24.180 like the Federal Trade Commission. Specifically in this case, Rebecca Kelly Slaughter, a Democratic member
00:43:30.620 of the FTC who the president fired back in March because he said she did not align with his agenda.
00:43:38.700 The conservatives on the court appeared open to siding with the president, but Justice Sonia Sotomayor
00:43:44.220 did not. Here she is laying out her core concern with the case.
00:43:50.820 Isn't it problematic, given what we know about the founder's vision,
00:43:54.780 that what this is going to amount to at the end of the day is putting not only all executive power in
00:44:02.100 the president, but an incredible amount of legislative slash rulemaking power and judging
00:44:11.080 in the president's hands? Is it still a smart idea for all of us individuals to base our judicial
00:44:19.300 theory or legal theory based on a bunch of guys 250 years ago guessing at what might be a good system
00:44:25.540 of government? I think it is. And I think this president proves it better than anyone else ever
00:44:31.160 could. The entire theory of the separation of powers was if you break up power both between the various
00:44:38.980 branches and between the federal and the state governments, then our liberties are protected.
00:44:43.240 And what we have done over the last 250 years is ignore that lesson and give more and more power
00:44:49.000 to the federal government and then more and more power to the executive branch of the federal
00:44:52.480 government. Now we have one person with way too much power over all of our lives. And I actually hope
00:44:57.660 that what we learn from this is Congress, as Lisa notes, could set these rules itself for clean air
00:45:03.420 and clean water. And hey, what about 50 state governments? They can do some of this stuff too. We don't have to put
00:45:09.100 all of our eggs in one basket. They know that, at least according to Gallup, their sort of acceptance
00:45:15.980 and approval rating among the public is as low as it's ever been since Gallup has been asking the
00:45:20.280 questions. And yet they seem to want to do everything in the vein of immunity and helping Donald Trump with
00:45:28.540 his political project, which is to consolidate power. So the problem, there's a legal aspect and there's
00:45:35.120 the real consequence that Claire talked about. Legally, this is what's so just unbelievable about
00:45:42.320 what they're doing. Congress has created these agencies that the executive then oversees. And
00:45:50.180 Congress in creating them has put in very few restrictions. They have reporting requirements.
00:45:56.760 You can't fire people without a reason. I mean, that's not a big deal. You can still fire people.
00:46:02.580 You have to actually have good cause. So Congress is spending and has the power to spend and they
00:46:08.900 can create these agencies and they have conditions. And now you have the Supreme.
00:46:13.760 Mike Lee, the author of Saving Nine, you every time we have a constitutional issue, sir, we turn to
00:46:20.240 you. You're phoning in today. What happened at the Supreme Court? What are the stakes here, sir?
00:46:26.440 Look, the stakes are high, Steve. In this case, we're dealing with the president's ability to be the
00:46:32.160 president, to act as the president. The fundamental premise of Article 2 of the Constitution is that
00:46:39.240 all the executive power within the U.S. government is vested in the president. The president of the
00:46:44.480 United States, a single individual, is the executive branch. And what that means is that he can undertake
00:46:51.720 what an executive does for the entire U.S. government and should be able to fire anyone,
00:46:59.140 any employee of the executive branch, any officer certainly of the executive branch, save only the
00:47:05.920 vice president, because the vice president is also elected on the same ticket as the president. So
00:47:11.660 that person can't be fired midterm, but everyone else should be able to. And certainly any officer
00:47:17.880 wielding policy authority, making decisions, enforcing the laws, as is the prerogative of the executive
00:47:24.620 branch, those people should always be removable by the president for any reason or no reason at all.
00:47:31.400 We've got a nearly 100-year-old precedent, a case called Humphrey's Executor, which concludes that
00:47:37.180 it's okay to have a special carve-out for a de facto fourth branch of government within the executive
00:47:44.360 branch that's untouchable by the president. That is lawless. It's led to a long train of abuses,
00:47:50.280 and it's a big problem. And I think that by the end of this term, the Supreme Court is very likely
00:47:55.920 to undo Humphrey's Executor. You're saying this is the president going after the administrative
00:48:03.080 state and deconstructing the administrative state. We already had the case on the Chevron,
00:48:07.180 I guess, exemption, but this is actually on the Article II argument where he can actually go in
00:48:11.800 and let people go. And what this really gets down to, correct me if I'm wrong, is Russ Vogt as his
00:48:16.760 OMB director talking about RIFs, talking about not just taking out the head of the FTC or some of
00:48:22.380 these people that are so controversial at the top in these alphabet agencies, but this is really the
00:48:27.780 president actually being the executive and determining that, hey, I'm going to get rid of these people
00:48:33.660 over USAID. What is the scale of what we're talking about? Yeah, good question, Steve. This certainly
00:48:41.100 relates to all people within the executive branch. I think an opinion could easily go that far.
00:48:46.100 This case doesn't necessarily require it to go that far because this case deals specifically
00:48:50.640 with members of the Federal Trade Commission. President Trump fired Commissioner Slaughter earlier
00:48:57.500 this year, not for cause, as the statute contemplates. The statute contemplates that once somebody has been
00:49:03.580 nominated by a president, confirmed by the Senate, that they serve for a term of years, and until that
00:49:09.340 term is up, they can be removed basically only if they commit a crime or something like that,
00:49:13.720 or some kind of wrongdoing or complete malfeasance in office. But my point is that when the president
00:49:21.540 designates officers of the U.S. government, that should go along with the same mindset that allows the
00:49:29.580 president to fire anyone of those individuals for any reason or no reason at all. In other words,
00:49:35.600 they serve at the pleasure of the president. That's how it ought to work. Certainly with an officer
00:49:39.880 as important, as powerful as a federal trade commissioner. You've been a student of watching
00:49:47.120 this court, explaining it to us. Do you see, I think we've won 21 of 23 or 22 of 24 at the Supreme
00:49:53.460 Court, and it seems like the Roberts Court is going out of its way to say we're not the Warren Court,
00:49:58.380 we're not going to be interventionists, and that they continue to say in some of their opinions,
00:50:02.080 these are political issues that should be settled politically. Do you still see the trend line on
00:50:07.520 that, sir? I do. I do. Look, in my lifetime, we have not seen a Supreme Court that is more dedicated
00:50:15.040 to the rule of law, that's more dedicated to the idea that the law has meaning. Its meaning is
00:50:22.040 established based on the words and how they were used, how they were understood by the public at the
00:50:26.600 time of their enactment. And answering a legal question, deciding a legal dispute, necessarily
00:50:32.760 is going to turn on what those words mean and how they were understood by the public at the time they
00:50:38.200 became law. And that sort of thing, while it may sound obvious to us today, it has not always been
00:50:46.640 obvious. And in our lifetime, we've had a lot of judges who haven't gone in that direction.
00:50:50.380 This court, I believe, is going to continue as it has so far to make decisions based on what the law
00:50:57.260 actually says, rather than based on some weird theory of social justice or what professors at
00:51:05.220 this or that Ivy League institution are telling them to rule as the law. They're interested in what
00:51:11.060 the law says, not what they wish it said. Senator Lee, where do we get your book, which teaches about
00:51:16.940 the Supreme Court Saving Nine, and where do we go for your coordinates on social media to keep up
00:51:20.900 with all this? Yeah, Saving Nine can be found on Amazon or pretty much anywhere books are sold. And
00:51:28.240 if you want to follow my commentary, my personal commentary on things, you can go to x at
00:51:34.400 at base Mike Lee, at base Mike Lee. That's where I provide a lot of this commentary. I recorded a brief
00:51:41.240 video today, shortly after leaving the Supreme Court and after watching these arguments, giving my reaction to
00:51:46.140 that case. We're going to push that out, though. The video was great. Senator Lee, you're quite
00:51:50.500 based. Thank you very much for joining us, sir. Appreciate you. Thanks so much, Steve. Good to be
00:51:54.620 with you. Huge day at the Supreme Court today. So at six o'clock, I've got the head of AFD,
00:52:03.440 Alternative for Deutschland, talking about, guess what, losing the country to Islam in the fight.
00:52:08.560 They're trying to shut their political party down because they're fighting it. Also, Raymond Ibrahim,
00:52:13.600 the author of Two Swords of Christ, about the military orders and all the wars we fought against
00:52:18.400 Islam and the courage of the Christians. Mike Lindell, we got three minutes. Give me a minute
00:52:23.180 on what you're doing in Minneapolis, sir, to fight the good fight, because you've got a Muslim
00:52:27.380 attorney general who's trying to shut down a Christian network that focuses on saving people
00:52:33.620 from drugs, alcohol, and other abuse, sir. Yep, absolutely. And we worked on that all afternoon,
00:52:39.360 head-to-head with Keith Ellison. Remember, everybody, he's trying to shut down my online
00:52:44.800 platform to help addicts get off of their addictions and get to Jesus Christ. And this is,
00:52:51.620 he's doing right in the middle of all the fraud that I believe he's part of the cover-up,
00:52:57.140 and who knows how much money he ended up with, all the fraud that's come out of Minnesota for his
00:53:02.700 campaigns. And so we spent the afternoon. Steve, we've got a very, we're kind of going on the
00:53:07.940 offense here. You're going to, you're going to be hearing a lot about it, but we're not going to
00:53:12.400 let this happen. We're not going to let him stop the Lindell Recovery Network from, from helping
00:53:19.700 people. That's all it is, a big help, a help center to help addicts. And, and this is back in the day,
00:53:26.240 you know, when I came out of addiction, it was all about helping treatment centers and people in
00:53:31.620 Minneapolis, Teen Challenge, the Salvation Army, and the people in the streets. So we're not going to
00:53:37.060 stop, Steve. We're on the offense. We're always on the offense. And, and I want to quick tell you
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