Bannon's War Room - Episode 4992： AI Takes Forefront Going Into 2026; Fighting For Trump's Nominees

00:00:00.000 Tonight, Indiana Republicans have rejected the Trump-backed effort to rig the state's

00:00:04.700 congressional map.

00:00:05.800 This is big news, folks.

00:00:07.280 21 Republicans crossed party lines to defeat the measure in the Republican-controlled state

00:00:13.000 Senate.

00:00:13.680 That's more than half of the entire Republican caucus.

00:00:16.720 The idea cooked up, you know, years ago that Donald Trump was going to be all-commanding

00:00:25.620 in all power, that there was going to be unitary executive power, you know, they cooked up

00:00:32.140 at Heritage Foundation.

00:00:33.940 It's already fallen apart, and it's fallen apart because that's not the way America works.

00:00:39.160 It's never been the way America works.

00:00:40.920 It's never the way America will work.

00:00:43.480 I mean, you have people in Indiana, Republicans, who maybe six months ago would have never dared

00:00:49.060 cross Donald Trump, are like, wait a second.

00:00:51.860 Wait, wait.

00:00:52.280 People elected us to represent Indiana, not to represent Donald Trump.

00:00:58.240 Nobody was saying that months ago.

00:01:00.140 Let me tell your audience as a fact.

00:01:02.880 Minnesota, as it exists now politically, in terms of the people and celebrities and celebrity

00:01:10.560 Congress people and so on that are on our TV all the time, is about to face a meteor that's

00:01:17.260 going to destroy it all.

00:01:18.360 Now, those people are not going to be, some of them won't want to even be an American a

00:01:23.260 year or two, really, I promise you.

00:01:25.540 It's so bad.

00:01:26.940 What do you mean?

00:01:27.560 Well, the corruption is so bad.

00:01:30.340 The levels of financial malfeasance are so high.

00:01:34.860 Not only was there not vetting, but there was opposite vetting.

00:01:37.960 I'm not letting you into this government before you prove you're more corrupt than me. 0.92

00:01:43.920 You know, you have to be at least as corrupt as me if you want to be part of this thing. 0.68

00:01:47.360 OK, otherwise we'll sell each other out. 0.88

00:01:49.460 Sounds democratic. 1.00

00:01:50.020 The damn thing is a criminal gang, which is just the right size. 1.00

00:01:54.660 It's big enough to get people's attention. 1.00

00:01:57.820 But it's small enough for people to still like see it in a snow globe, how it really

00:02:02.620 works. 0.71

00:02:03.240 See, Washington's too freaking big a corrupt enterprise for us to even see one tiny part 0.85

00:02:09.480 of it, you know.

00:02:10.300 But this Minnesota thing will allow us to sort of watch in almost a stadium version how our

00:02:17.040 politics works and how our people lie and how the money gets sucked up and how it gets

00:02:22.300 redistributed.

00:02:23.080 And it's not going to stop.

00:02:25.600 President Trump has signed an executive order limiting states power to regulate artificial

00:02:32.800 intelligence, creating a national framework to keep the U.S. competitive.

00:02:37.940 The order launches an AI litigation task force, threatens funding cuts for states that mandate

00:02:44.340 altered AI outputs and calls for a federal law overriding most state rules.

00:02:51.120 Supporters say it's key to counter China, while critics call on an assault on states' rights

00:02:58.240 with legal battles expected.

00:03:01.580 And on AI, if you look at who he's with at these events, if you look at who he socializes

00:03:06.220 with, if you look at who he talks to, and if you look who's probably the biggest beneficiary

00:03:09.960 of his policies, it's the AI companies.

00:03:12.620 And there's a certain logic that we do have this technological war that ultimately, I think,

00:03:18.220 will dictate war itself in terms of who gets to the best AI the fastest.

00:03:23.840 But there's another side to this, and this is the one that the administration has largely

00:03:27.500 ignored, which is it's going to have an effect on jobs.

00:03:31.300 If you start to automate things, somebody, at least in the short term, suffers from that.

00:03:35.720 And what you see here is the president, David Sachs, saying, listen, we need unfettered regulation.

00:03:41.760 We need these companies to be able to move as fast as possible.

00:03:44.360 We don't want states to get in the way, despite the fact that we have a federal system, despite

00:03:47.880 the fact that states do have the right to regulate different companies on their terms

00:03:51.800 in their states.

00:03:53.180 The danger there, and this is the one that really puts them at odds with MAGA, with your

00:03:57.640 Steve Bannons of the world, is that the people who could suffer could be the working class, 0.93

00:04:03.080 could be a lot of people who voted for Trump, who might lose their job or who feel threatened

00:04:06.820 by it.

00:04:07.940 And I think that's the bet.

00:04:09.140 If they're wrong, and right now, if you looked at AI as a political candidate, it's as unpopular

00:04:13.860 as a lot of the president's policies on the economy or the inflation.

00:04:17.440 People are very worried about it.

00:04:19.560 And so he is betting not just his presidency on it.

00:04:23.000 I think the Republican brand, because Republicans have had to fall in line.

00:04:26.540 First off, will this work?

00:04:28.860 Will President Trump's pardon actually free Tina Peters?

00:04:32.800 No.

00:04:33.760 This is a lawless act.

00:04:35.780 It's an act of intimidation.

00:04:37.140 It has no basis in American law.

00:04:40.440 Our system of government gives states authority to run their own criminal justice systems.

00:04:46.120 As you noted, there was a trial.

00:04:48.520 There was a conviction by a jury.

00:04:50.280 There's an appeal to the state courts.

00:04:53.120 All that is happening under the rule of law.

00:04:55.660 This president doesn't respect the rule of law, but he doesn't have authority to undermine

00:04:59.800 how we operate our judicial system here in Colorado.

00:05:03.280 It's ultimately going to be opportunity for a lot of people.

00:05:07.700 But right now, people are saying, I'm afraid that it's going to raise my energy, electricity

00:05:12.780 bill because of data centers. 0.98

00:05:14.760 In some states, I'm already seeing that.

00:05:17.060 I'm worried about my job.

00:05:18.460 I'm worried about surveillance.

00:05:20.840 And they don't yet see or feel that opportunity.

00:05:25.220 And that's where you get Steve Bannon, a lot of the MAGA hardcore saying the brologarks are

00:05:32.260 weeding the president astray and that he's going to be in a bad place for his base and

00:05:40.100 for a lot of America.

00:05:41.780 The economy is basically three pieces now.

00:05:45.240 It's the have, the have-nots, and the have-lots.

00:05:47.500 And the have-lots are anybody who's heavily invested in AI or building one of these companies

00:05:52.620 or an adjacent company.

00:05:54.240 If you're in that batch, Joe was talking about it earlier, that's what's popping up

00:05:58.040 the economy and the S&P 500.

00:05:59.900 You're getting rich as hell right now.

00:06:01.800 And if you're in the stock market, like Trump is right, the stock market is booming.

00:06:05.420 There's parts of the economy that are extraordinarily strong.

00:06:07.780 Other countries, they envy what we have.

00:06:11.560 But where you see the pain, where you see the angst, is with people who are not heavily

00:06:15.680 invested in the stock market, who aren't benefiting from AI and, in fact, could suffer from AI.

00:06:20.980 And that is going to be, I think, the topic of next year.

00:06:23.620 I would pay a lot of attention to this.

00:06:25.080 I think it will dominate who ultimately wins the election.

00:06:30.360 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:06:34.120 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:06:40.540 Here's one time I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:06:44.800 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:06:46.700 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:06:48.140 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.

00:06:50.820 It's going to happen.

00:06:52.080 And where do people like that go to share the big line?

00:06:55.500 Mega media.

00:06:56.400 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:07:02.340 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:07:06.020 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:07:12.440 War Room.

00:07:13.240 Here's your host, Stephen K.

00:07:15.320 Bannon.

00:07:15.660 Friday, 12 December, year of early 2025, we're going to get into the Tina Peters pardon

00:07:26.780 and how that plays into the effort behind the scenes to get Tina Peters free and out of prison. 0.99

00:07:33.000 Also, let's take it head on.

00:07:36.860 The massive loss yesterday in Indianapolis for not only did we not go 9-0, we only got 7-2.

00:07:43.900 So we'll address that, what has to happen there to turn that around.

00:07:48.220 But I want to start with artificial intelligence.

00:07:51.820 Mike Davis by phone.

00:07:53.840 Mike, the EO, what the executive order did was set up that you're going to have a federal

00:07:59.920 framework right now and a process, which David Sachs is essentially going to oversee or run.

00:08:06.980 This is far from defeat because they basically concede your four Cs have to be part of this.

00:08:12.340 I actually think it's got to be even broader than that.

00:08:14.460 But just walk me through your thoughts right now, the EO, the morning after, as we get

00:08:19.460 to start the hard work, sir.

00:08:22.560 So I do think it was a productive first step with this executive order that the tech bros

00:08:29.660 have understood that they can't just get federal preemption and no federal rules of the road,

00:08:37.920 which means federal amnesty.

00:08:39.520 So this EO sets up where there's going to be a legislative task force that comes up with

00:08:47.240 legislation that provides federal preemption but addresses the four Cs that we care about,

00:08:53.940 children, conservatives, communities, and creators.

00:08:59.000 And so that's a big win for the Article III project and the war room posse that were very 0.92

00:09:05.940 much at the table and driving this process.

00:09:10.920 So that's good.

00:09:13.200 There are some issues with the EO that-

00:09:16.060 Hang on, hang on, hang on.

00:09:17.160 Just take a second and explain to people the fight.

00:09:20.480 The initial fight was they wanted total amnesty, absolutely nothing, and really no regular,

00:09:25.900 no really even regulatory apparatus at all, just accelerationists, accelerationists, accelerationists.

00:09:33.320 They didn't get preemption because this says there's going to be a federal regulatory apparatus,

00:09:40.200 and they specifically, I think it needs to be broader than the four Cs, but they very specifically

00:09:44.160 add the four Cs in there to show that that specifically has to be taken care of, right?

00:09:49.040 So moving in, is this all part of a negotiating process?

00:09:52.440 We've gone from AI amnesty and leading to, if it's preemption, it's got to have a federal

00:10:00.780 regulatory apparatus around it because the state's, quite frankly, got to say so here,

00:10:05.500 and they're never going to agree to it, correct?

00:10:08.000 Yeah, that's correct.

00:10:09.160 And that's a major, major win.

00:10:11.700 Because remember, four months ago in the big, beautiful bill, at 2 o'clock in the morning,

00:10:17.380 this was heading to victory.

00:10:22.020 It was going to be included, this AI amnesty was going to be included in the big, beautiful

00:10:26.980 bill, and it ended up going down 99 to 1, including Ted Cruz, the lead sponsor, voting against

00:10:34.060 his own legislation after the war room posse went into action and lit up the Senate and let

00:10:41.520 people know that we're not supporting AI amnesty.

00:10:45.340 And so here we are, four months later, there was talk about putting it, putting this AI amnesty

00:10:51.620 into the National Defense Authorization Act.

00:10:54.940 The war room posse teams up with the Article III project, and we lit up the Senate again, and

00:11:00.700 they backed down.

00:11:01.420 And then they are very much going to address the four C's, because they know they have 0.62

00:11:09.020 to, because we've created that political frame, so they have to address these four C's, or

00:11:14.880 they know they're not going to get federal preemption.

00:11:17.740 So this is a big win for the Article III project.

00:11:22.720 It's a big win for the war room posse.

00:11:25.800 Frankly, it's a big win for President Trump, because this would not have gone well for President

00:11:31.100 Trump.

00:11:31.540 If they would have won, these AI bros would have won and got amnesty.

00:11:37.900 And then, for example, you have these AI platforms with teddy bears that are talking sexually 0.94

00:11:44.600 explicitly to kids, pedo bears.

00:11:48.020 The states can't do anything about it, and there's federal preemption and no federal rules

00:11:54.520 of the road.

00:11:55.020 That would have ended badly for President Trump.

00:11:57.600 So these four C's are going to be good for everyone, especially President Trump.

00:12:06.660 I think that he, you know, I think he realized after the two face plants, because what Sachs

00:12:14.540 tried to slide into the big, beautiful bill and to the NDAA was absolutely open field running.

00:12:19.520 There would be no controls whatsoever over the accelerationists and AI.

00:12:23.560 And I think President Trump, and you can see his handprints on this in crafting the thing

00:12:28.080 that you've got to have some sort of federal regulatory apparatus.

00:12:31.160 Now, let's talk about DeSantis and Newsom.

00:12:34.380 You know, California's put some laws up.

00:12:36.040 I think they've got SB 53, which is kind of broader in context.

00:12:39.560 That's really where they want to know where the companies are going, et cetera.

00:12:43.480 DeSantis has really stuck, I think, more to the four C's.

00:12:48.080 What is going to happen now at the state level?

00:12:50.320 What is your, because DeSantis and these guys are not going to back off, right?

00:12:53.700 A lot of these governors are saying, hey, we have a responsibility here to protect our

00:12:58.300 citizens.

00:12:59.260 And, you know, we're not that, we don't believe David Sachs and this crowd, Mark Andreessen,

00:13:04.620 put the citizens of our state first, particularly children and creators, sir.

00:13:10.440 That's just it.

00:13:11.240 I mean, look, I get the point that the tech pros are making that you have these terrible

00:13:16.760 laws, like in Colorado, where I live, where they're essentially, they want AI.

00:13:22.700 They want DEI AI.

00:13:25.360 They want censorship against conservatives.

00:13:28.700 They actually want their AI machines, their algorithms to pump out DEI and nonsense.

00:13:35.320 And so I get the tech pros' concerns about that, that if you have to, you know, in order

00:13:41.980 to comply with Colorado statute, you have to change your algorithms.

00:13:46.100 And so it creates a bad outcome.

00:13:48.880 And so I'm not totally opposed to preemption.

00:13:51.220 I get why they would want a, you know, one rule of the road to them, but they have to

00:13:57.700 have a rule of the road.

00:13:59.440 I mean, again, they have to address, at a minimum, they have to address the four Cs in 0.98

00:14:05.460 order to make sure.

00:14:06.560 Look, as you know, Steve, we tried this with the tech pros.

00:14:10.460 We gave them Section 230 amnesty, you know, 20 years ago or almost 20 years ago.

00:14:17.240 And look what it led to.

00:14:18.140 It led to Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple that crushed competition, shuttered small businesses

00:14:25.760 and canceled conservatives and others with whom they disagreed.

00:14:29.740 They became, these big tech platforms became trillion dollar monopolists that did the government's

00:14:35.400 bidding and did the Democrats' bidding.

00:14:36.840 We're not going to let that happen again.

00:14:38.940 And so we're going to proceed more cautiously, more smartly with AI than we did under Section

00:14:47.160 230.

00:14:47.800 And I think that this would be the framework.

00:14:51.120 Hang on for one second.

00:14:52.340 We're going to take a short break.

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00:17:07.500 So, I mean, I think that they finally concede among the AI crowd that in order for them to

00:17:14.340 get preemption, they have to address the four C's.

00:17:17.220 And so this is total victory for the Article III project and the War Room Posse. 0.83

00:17:23.000 We won.

00:17:24.100 We're at the negotiating table.

00:17:26.440 We're working with President Trump's AI team, and we've proposed legislation, and we're working

00:17:33.640 on that.

00:17:34.200 And so there are credits, and David Sachs' credit, and the AI team's credit.

00:17:39.500 They're working with those in good faith, right?

00:17:41.340 I don't think it was malicious what they were doing before.

00:17:45.680 I don't think they were maliciously trying to screw us.

00:17:48.960 I just don't think that they have been around Washington, D.C., or the legislative process

00:17:54.300 very much.

00:17:55.120 And so this is probably a new thing for David Sachs to come to Washington and deal with

00:18:00.880 the swamp.

00:18:01.640 And again, I do think he's trying to work with us in good faith.

00:18:05.480 I don't think he's a bad person.

00:18:06.740 I actually kind of like him.

00:18:08.080 I disagree with him.

00:18:09.080 I disagree with him on all this tech bro stuff, but he's not a bad guy.

00:18:14.300 So in the 100 pages of proposals you gave him, your point is it was too late to incorporate

00:18:20.540 that into what they were trying to do with the NDA.

00:18:22.600 So they step back.

00:18:24.040 This process, you're highly confident that, because the 100 pages is just a start, but

00:18:29.460 it's pretty substantive on the four Cs.

00:18:32.920 You believe, or you're comfortable telling the audience that some version of this you believe

00:18:38.520 is going to be in there, and you're going to have to do it anyway, or DeSantis and these

00:18:41.640 guys are going to be taking it to court and slowing it down?

00:18:45.220 Well, I mean, if they don't address the four Cs, they're not going to get federal preemption

00:18:49.280 because we'll crush them again like we did the last two times.

00:18:52.280 And so, and I told them that.

00:18:54.700 I said, if you want preemption, you're going to address the four Cs.

00:18:58.000 Otherwise, you're not going to get preemption.

00:18:59.660 So it's, they get it.

00:19:01.960 And I think that unless they have our blessings with the Article 3 project in the war room, 0.82

00:19:10.180 I just, I don't think, I don't see any path where any legislation would pass.

00:19:17.240 I want to shift to Tina Peters for a second, because you've been, the vice or has been one 1.00

00:19:21.400 of the folks working on this also with many, many other people.

00:19:24.100 President Trump did go through the pardon process on a federal level.

00:19:28.560 And of course, immediately, I think he had the attorney general, we played it in the cold

00:19:32.880 open, saying this is irrelevant, this is a state, but it's much more complicated than that.

00:19:37.780 Is it not, Mike, and their alternatives people are pursuing right now to make sure that we

00:19:43.100 can free Tina Peters? 1.00

00:19:44.880 It is outrageous what is happening to Tina Peters. 0.84

00:19:48.600 She was a county clerk in Colorado, again, where I live.

00:19:52.400 And the Democrats' Attorney General, Phil Weiser, and the Democrats' Secretary of State,

00:20:00.020 Jenna Griswold, two partisan monsters, teamed up with the local DA and this, you know, this

00:20:07.820 judge, this local judge, and they put Tina Peters in prison for nine years. 1.00

00:20:15.120 And they can come up with any excuse they want for doing this, but it came down to this.

00:20:19.860 Tina Peters questioned election results.

00:20:23.140 And these Democrat operatives and their weak Republican rhinos who went along with this, 0.75

00:20:29.600 that's what it comes down to.

00:20:31.680 This is a malicious prosecution.

00:20:35.200 It is heartless.

00:20:37.100 It is humane, inhumane.

00:20:39.320 It's just awful.

00:20:41.000 She was a 69-year-old woman who they put in prison for nine years. 1.00

00:20:45.240 Now they have her in solitary confinement, that she's getting abused by other prisoners. 0.94

00:20:52.480 She's being abused in this prison. 0.91

00:20:55.340 I mean, they have her in solitary confinement, and they're saying they're doing that to protect

00:20:59.780 her, according to Tina Peters' allies who have reached out to me.

00:21:04.260 It's just, it's sickening what they're doing to her.

00:21:07.340 This is effectively a death penalty for Tina Peters because she dared to question election 0.97

00:21:14.720 results.

00:21:15.420 And it's, it's sick.

00:21:16.760 And so I've, look, I, there's, the president cannot pardon Tina Peters for state crimes. 0.74

00:21:23.960 That has to come from the governor of Colorado.

00:21:26.180 And so I, you know, even if this Democrat governor, Jared Polis, is not what to pardon her, he

00:21:33.460 can at least commute Tina Peters' sentence.

00:21:37.120 She suffered enough.

00:21:38.360 She's dying in prison. 0.52

00:21:39.640 They're killing her in prison. 1.00

00:21:41.540 And so that's one thing the War Room Posse can do is go to article3project.org, article3project.org.

00:21:48.320 And one of the action items is to contact Governor Jared Polis and tell him to show some decency

00:21:56.080 and commute Tina Peters' sentence. 1.00

00:21:59.720 She's suffered enough in prison. 0.81

00:22:01.600 We don't need to kill this woman just because they have political disagreement. 1.00

00:22:06.840 Not to get too hard, not to get too far ahead of things, but it is, you know, they took her

00:22:12.620 up on state because they realized in federal, she would, you know, if there was federal charges, 0.99

00:22:18.600 ultimately, if we got back in power, you know, she could be pardoned.

00:22:22.660 But Griswold's hands, I mean, Griswold's got dirty hands here at a federal level, right?

00:22:27.320 Isn't a lot of this about the preservation of records and records about the 2020 stolen

00:22:32.540 election, the process for all of that?

00:22:35.440 And Griswold herself is dirty here. 1.00

00:22:39.240 And I'm sure that's being looked at by a number of people, sir. 1.00

00:22:42.620 And Griswold is a malicious, partisan slob. 0.99

00:22:47.460 And she should really be ashamed of herself. 1.00

00:22:50.700 I don't think she's capable of shame because she's such a terrible human being. 0.77

00:22:54.980 But what Jenna Griswold did here to Tina Peters is monstrous. 0.99

00:23:01.160 Jenna Griswold is a partisan slob. 0.99

00:23:05.260 And it's disgusting what she's done here. 1.00

00:23:08.780 And yes, we should – I'm very happy that the Attorney General, Pam Bondi, and Harmeet

00:23:16.140 Dillam, the head of the Civil Rights Division, opened up an investigation on the Colorado

00:23:21.540 prison system.

00:23:23.400 And that's almost certainly going to include the mistreatment of Tina Peters in these Colorado

00:23:30.960 prisons.

00:23:31.520 Mike, one last topic.

00:23:35.140 And thank you for taking time away to join us by phone.

00:23:37.480 But you saw what happened in Indianapolis last night.

00:23:40.580 But this is inextricably linked with the progress we're making on getting legislation and nominees.

00:23:47.580 We've got Mark Walker, who's going to be on the show right after you bounce.

00:23:51.780 That's been, I think, eight or nine months and hasn't been confirmed yet.

00:23:54.820 But this issue about blue slips, and I know Senator Grassley's working through this right

00:24:01.320 now, but this issue about blue slips and the issue about the filibuster, because – and

00:24:07.760 I think President Trump has been adamant about this – unless some things change, he's

00:24:11.840 not going to be able to implement his plan.

00:24:14.920 And you've got both the blue slips for the judges and really for the U.S. attorneys, and

00:24:19.800 you've got this – you've got the situation of the filibuster.

00:24:22.080 Can you take the blue slips first and explain what it is to the audience and why President

00:24:26.780 Trump wants changes and why he's so upset about it?

00:24:30.120 Look, and I get that.

00:24:31.040 I've been fighting with people all night on X and all morning on this issue.

00:24:34.800 I hate blue slips.

00:24:35.820 I got rid of blue slips for circuit judges when I was the chief counsel for nominations

00:24:41.680 eight years ago when I worked for Senator Grassley.

00:24:44.100 We got rid of blue slips for circuit judges.

00:24:46.600 And so that's how President Trump was able to confirm a record number of circuit judges.

00:24:51.920 I tried to get rid of blue slips for U.S. attorney, U.S. district court, U.S. marshal, but there

00:24:57.900 was way too much opposition in the Senate to getting rid of those, including from too 1.00

00:25:02.860 many Republicans.

00:25:03.960 And that's the issue.

00:25:05.360 What angers me is when people are blaming this on Chuck Grassley, my old boss.

00:25:11.160 This is not a Chuck Grassley problem.

00:25:13.780 It is a Senate Republican problem.

00:25:16.480 And so what needs to happen is, is if we want to get rid of these blue slips for U.S.

00:25:21.760 attorney, U.S. district court, U.S. marshal, John Thune needs to work with the Trump White

00:25:27.900 House and round up 50 signatures, at least 50 signatures from Senate Republicans, including

00:25:34.560 every Senate judiciary Republican saying that they will vote to confirm U.S. attorney, U.S.

00:25:42.600 district court, U.S. marshal nominees who lack blue slips, right?

00:25:46.820 That is going to be a very tall order because here's the problem.

00:25:53.660 Too many Senate Republicans do not want to give up their blue slip problem.

00:25:58.740 So it's, but to blame Grassley for this is what really pisses me off because it's not

00:26:03.480 Grassley's fault.

00:26:05.340 It's, he doesn't have the votes.

00:26:07.020 If they don't have, if you have Senator John Kennedy, for example, or Senator Tom Tillis

00:26:13.700 saying they're going to vote against these nominees who lack blue slips, then Grassley

00:26:17.820 can't get them out of the committee.

00:26:19.760 But by the way, just for the audience, blue slips is the way that senators in their states

00:26:24.640 for, for U.S.

00:26:26.000 attorneys, U.S.

00:26:26.820 marshals, uh, and certain judges can actually, uh, override the president's choice.

00:26:31.860 Correct.

00:26:32.260 It's this, I, I hate blue slips.

00:26:36.620 It's a BS hundred year old bus tradition in the Senate where home state senators get an

00:26:43.700 absolute veto over the president's pick for U.S.

00:26:48.040 attorney, U.S.

00:26:49.340 district court, U.S.

00:26:50.740 marshal.

00:26:51.160 And I, and I, again, I say this somewhat jokingly, but it's not really a joke.

00:26:54.980 These home state senators do not want to give up the ability to hand select the U.S.

00:27:01.520 attorney who could prosecute them, the U.S.

00:27:04.300 district court judge who would oversee the trial and the U.S.

00:27:07.320 marshal who would escort them to prison.

00:27:09.800 Again, I hate blue slips.

00:27:11.620 We need to get rid of them.

00:27:12.700 But if we want to be smart and actually win, we should actually direct our energy to fixing

00:27:19.320 the problem instead of directing our energy to dividing the Republican Party and going

00:27:24.860 after President Trump's most effective Senate ally, Chuck Grassley.

00:27:30.440 You're, you're, you're, we got about 30 seconds.

00:27:32.980 You're a traditionalist, but you agree that we got to get rid of the filibuster and we have

00:27:36.240 to do it now?

00:27:37.440 There's no question we need to get rid of the filibuster for legislation.

00:27:41.360 We got rid of the filibuster for nominations.

00:27:43.780 Now you can get nominees confirmed with, you know, 51 votes or 50 votes in the BP.

00:27:49.260 We need to, we need to do the same thing with legislation. 0.80

00:27:52.060 It currently requires 50 votes to pass most legislation. 1.00

00:27:56.560 I would say to Senate Republicans, don't be stupid here. 1.00

00:27:59.900 The next time Democrats control the White House, House and Senate, they are going to nuke 1.00

00:28:05.680 the legislative filibuster.

00:28:07.160 They're going to add states like Puerto Rico, like D.C.

00:28:10.860 They're going to pass the Supreme Court.

00:28:12.680 It's going to be good by America. 0.70

00:28:14.820 If we, if we let that happen, let's beat them to it.

00:28:18.180 So, so they can't control all three brands.

00:28:21.480 The Vice-Roy, thank you very much.

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00:30:57.000 and you're seeing it across the nation on these redistricting.

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00:31:02.500 I keep saying we need a net 10.

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00:31:48.040 It's something I've never seen before.

00:31:49.340 I mean, I don't know how the guy takes it day in and day out, day in and day out.

00:31:54.300 It's getting dangerous, right?

00:31:55.680 He's already gotten through a couple of assassination attempts.

00:31:59.220 But the bigger fights with the Republican establishment, and you can see this in the Senate,

00:32:05.020 where the establishment still controls the United States Senate on the Republican side.

00:32:10.780 You don't have any really – the effort on filibuster is not getting traction.

00:32:14.940 Let me be blunt.

00:32:16.520 There's no movement on the blue slips.

00:32:18.580 The whole discussion about doing, you know, allocating $2,000 per American citizen coming out of the tariff revenue,

00:32:27.480 not really getting any traction.

00:32:29.800 You're seeing – there's no recess appointments.

00:32:33.060 In fact, now I don't see really a lot of effort to get his appointments through at all.

00:32:37.620 I just had Bridge Colby, I think, the other day, a couple of deputies, even at the committee level.

00:32:42.620 I want to bring in Mark Walker now.

00:32:46.700 Mark was a former congressman.

00:32:48.640 Sir, you've been nominated to be the ambassador.

00:32:52.100 Explain what your role is.

00:32:53.300 Ambassador for faith, religious projects.

00:32:56.680 It's kind of a global mandate.

00:32:58.520 Now more than ever we need this.

00:33:00.840 Correct me if I'm wrong.

00:33:01.700 You were nominated eight months ago, sir?

00:33:04.960 Yes, in early April, now more than eight months ago.

00:33:08.000 And the position is ambassador at large for international religious freedom.

00:33:11.760 This was a position written up by Republican legislation.

00:33:15.840 They dragged Bill Clinton kicking and screaming in 1998. 0.97

00:33:18.940 He did sign it into law.

00:33:20.720 I would be the seventh ambassador for such, which is there's an intelligence component to this as well.

00:33:26.220 But our job is to advocate for those people, whether it's Syria, whether it's in China, the Middle Eastern countries, Africa.

00:33:34.020 We've seen this recently.

00:33:34.960 A lot of the persecution, targeting, blasphemy laws, even rape pillaging and killing of these folks.

00:33:40.860 And specifically, most of it driven by Islamist groups, whether it's Boko Haram, Iswab, al-Shabaab, and others.

00:33:48.200 But yes, this is an important position.

00:33:49.780 It lists this position as the principal advisor to both the Secretary of State and to President Trump on all things that are international religious matters.

00:33:57.600 And as we know, a lot of these wars are driven by these false religions. 0.98

00:34:02.140 And so, yes, we've been anxious about it.

00:34:04.760 We've traveled back and forth to D.C. nearly every week meeting with senators and a lot of support that we do have across the board from cabinet members, from senators.

00:34:14.820 But we've not been able to get the hearing quite yet.

00:34:17.480 And to say the least, it's been frustrating.

00:34:20.620 Well, let's go through your background for a second.

00:34:23.120 Again, you're very respected.

00:34:25.560 It's not like you're a bomb thrower.

00:34:27.020 This, I think, was what you are someone that's very well known.

00:34:31.600 You've got a very defined track record.

00:34:33.780 You've been a man of action and delivered a lot.

00:34:37.160 You're respected by people on both sides.

00:34:39.800 The president thinks the world of you.

00:34:42.280 This is why I think it confuses people.

00:34:44.580 You've got all the credentials.

00:34:46.340 You check all the boxes.

00:34:47.840 You're a safe pair of hands.

00:34:49.260 You've got a lot of support.

00:34:50.640 So why are you on the war room on the 12th of December on a Friday heading up to the Christmas holidays and you haven't had a hearing yet so we can get you confirmed and get you to work on all over the world?

00:35:07.700 This issue is blowing up everywhere.

00:35:09.920 So I think that's what confuses people.

00:35:11.640 What's been the problem?

00:35:13.700 Yeah, I think it comes down sometimes.

00:35:15.480 You know, we don't have what they call the blue slip for specifically nominees.

00:35:20.380 That's more on the legal side with judges and appointments.

00:35:23.440 But they do have sometimes these gentleman agreements where if you have one senator that's maybe pushing back or kind of giving a wink and nod to the chairman of, in this case, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, they do slow play that out.

00:35:37.000 We've got great support.

00:35:37.960 John Thune's been great.

00:35:39.140 The entire leadership, we have unanimous support across the leadership in the Senate.

00:35:43.400 Those on the committee as well.

00:35:45.760 It's just that we're trying to get through.

00:35:47.800 And, in fact, this is breaking.

00:35:49.440 I've not revealed this yet to anyone.

00:35:51.240 Had a great call with President Trump last night who gave me his word.

00:35:55.000 He's working on it.

00:35:55.960 I don't expect him to be able to track hundreds of appointments or nominations.

00:36:00.000 But he was gracious to take a call.

00:36:01.780 And I kind of gave an update.

00:36:03.260 And we're looking forward to him having him help push.

00:36:06.320 But the point I think you're making, Steve, is that the president shouldn't have to be taking time trying to singularly go out and try to find each nomination and push through and then go get another one.

00:36:16.240 When he names these people, he's vetted them.

00:36:18.840 And trust me, you have to go through all kinds of divestations.

00:36:22.420 You have to go through all these security clearances.

00:36:24.020 That's been done since the summer.

00:36:26.740 And for President Trump to have to weigh back into this, it's unfair to him because it's pulling away from something else.

00:36:32.000 This is, I believe, a very important position.

00:36:34.880 We have tons of nonprofit groups that are out there pushing, writing letters to the president and everything else.

00:36:39.840 So we're anxious to get started.

00:36:41.880 Unfortunately, it looks like we may have to go through a renomination process because the last hearing, I believe, took place yesterday.

00:36:48.420 But we're still fighting for this.

00:36:50.360 And, yes, we're not historically, I guess, considered a bomb thrower.

00:36:54.980 But I'm proud to have the highest pro-Trump policy scorecard when I served in Congress there and even serving and doing so there in leadership.

00:37:03.320 But don't let the ministry background fool you.

00:37:05.120 If we need to scrap or fight or stand up for what we believe in, we're not afraid to do so.

00:37:10.540 Congressman, you've also been a team player.

00:37:12.420 I mean, you've taken a couple, not just have you supported President Trump's agenda.

00:37:15.980 There's been some, you know, people have asked, hey, can you do this?

00:37:19.120 You've got a track record of putting the MAGA movement, putting the country, putting your state of North Carolina before yourself.

00:37:28.880 I mean, you've got a demonstrable track record.

00:37:30.700 So this is what I don't understand.

00:37:31.820 Why are we the president who's got the weight of the world on the shoulders?

00:37:35.920 He knows you very well.

00:37:37.460 It's a slot he considers important.

00:37:39.500 The reason we know he considers it important, you were in his first batch, you know,

00:37:44.100 back eight months ago when everything was going on, we're flooding the zone, it's days of thunder.

00:37:48.580 He selected you to do this.

00:37:50.120 He wanted somebody to get on with it.

00:37:51.860 You know, he's he's solved, you know, eight wars.

00:37:55.040 We're going to have Eric Prince on here in a moment to talk about how difficult it is with President Trump.

00:38:00.480 They're trying to denigrate what he's done, how some of these countries are at each other's throats.

00:38:05.960 Right. And your your billet would be to make sure that that the interest in faith based folks are their interest or come to the table.

00:38:17.840 And you've taken you've taken incoming for the team.

00:38:20.460 How can we possibly be in a position?

00:38:23.000 I mean, there's got to be somebody to blame for this.

00:38:24.780 How can we possibly be in the position to have the president of the United States now with everything he's got going on,

00:38:30.120 refocus on a guy he nominated that he thought important enough that he do it at the beginning of the administration.

00:38:36.360 Now we're in December at the end of the year.

00:38:38.340 He's not done.

00:38:39.100 And now we're going to go through potentially another process, sir.

00:38:41.680 Yeah, I think it comes down to without without kind of beating around the bush, a hometown, home state senator that needs a little encouragement from President Trump that I shared last night.

00:38:54.800 And look, sometimes personality conflicts or what have you.

00:38:58.360 But and I get that if your feelings were hurt in a campaign three and a half, four years ago.

00:39:02.940 But here's the thing.

00:39:04.320 The fact that somebody would think that they should have the wherewithal to push back on President Trump's agenda when he's got the weight of the world on him,

00:39:14.400 when he's taking flack every single day from the left, they're trying to root him.

00:39:18.180 You even mentioned his first assassination attempts and everything else.

00:39:22.140 We ought to be doing everything we can, much like the Democrats.

00:39:25.680 When Joe Biden put somebody forward, they line up immediately to support their president because they've got bigger fish to fry, bigger fights to take on.

00:39:33.520 So we hope even though we've got we feel like 50-51 senator support.

00:39:38.400 In fact, we may even have a Democrat or two that ends up supporting us.

00:39:41.660 We're working on that as well.

00:39:42.880 That's that's yet to be seen.

00:39:45.340 But but the bigger thing is, is I don't want to be so much focused about me when when each and every week after President Trump named me this or nominated me this.

00:39:54.000 Last week alone, I met with people from from Ethiopia, from Burma, from Iraq, from from Syria.

00:40:01.000 These folks are begging out.

00:40:02.320 In fact, I was in London recently when a sweet lady named Baroness Emma Nicholson came up. 0.97

00:40:07.880 She put her hand on my chest. 0.93

00:40:09.040 She said, Congressman, she said, America is the last hope for religious expression.

00:40:14.140 And she said, the reason why is because America is the only country where it's written in your law.

00:40:20.320 Please stand up and advocate for the people that no longer or do not have that ability to be able to stand up for themselves.

00:40:26.380 So we're excited about taking on this role to be that beacon of hope, to be that light, to be an advocate, to be the President Trump's principal advisor on this matter.

00:40:35.960 But we've got to get through this hearing to be able to to get up and moving.

00:40:40.280 And and hopefully we are hopefully we're getting closer every day.

00:40:44.580 Is anything what what can this audience do?

00:40:46.880 Because obviously this is top of mind.

00:40:48.780 The religious aspect is top of mind for the activists that watch War Room and are part of the War Room posse.

00:40:56.100 What any guidance for us?

00:40:57.340 Anything we can help?

00:40:58.240 Is this actually going to have to go now through a renomination process?

00:41:01.340 There are some technical procedures that that a senator can reach out to the cloakroom.

00:41:08.620 I won't get into the weeds, but but probably so, because the Democrats will use this to their advantage by by by by being blocked.

00:41:16.480 Now, Democrats can reject any kind of extension, forcing President Trump to once again have to go through a renomination process.

00:41:23.420 So we're now probably looking at January.

00:41:25.640 But to answer your question, we'd love for your audience to reach out to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and encourage them to have a hearing on on the Ambassador for International Religious Freedom.

00:41:36.720 We will take care of that and we'll do that, sir.

00:41:39.380 What's your what are your coordinates, social media?

00:41:41.860 How do people catch up with what you're working on and everything you're going to be doing as the ambassador?

00:41:46.440 Because that will happen.

00:41:48.040 Thank you, Steve.

00:41:48.880 Appreciate the opportunity.

00:41:50.120 Appreciate this is important to you in the audience.

00:41:51.800 That's Rep Mark Walker, R.E.P. Mark Walker.

00:41:54.420 They can look us up on all different social media handles.

00:41:57.160 We're keeping people up to date on this.

00:41:59.180 And it's an honor to be President Trump is asking me to do this.

00:42:03.140 We're ready to fight.

00:42:03.960 We're ready to get out there and and happy to do so.

00:42:07.060 And grateful that you would take the time and let us share our story a little bit.

00:42:11.180 No, it's it's obviously very important.

00:42:13.520 It's very important to this audience.

00:42:14.540 I know it's very important to the president.

00:42:16.200 And it also gets in this situation of why we've had this why we've had this morass.

00:42:20.200 Congressman, thank you so much for coming on.

00:42:22.540 And we're going to keep up to date on this and have you back on.

00:42:24.560 Thank you, sir.

00:42:25.940 Thanks a lot, Steve.

00:42:26.560 Take care.

00:42:28.480 Here's the thing.

00:42:29.100 It's not just the president has to get involved here.

00:42:33.420 Right.

00:42:33.940 Again, after he's already nominated a guy.

00:42:35.980 These people put their lives on hold.

00:42:38.100 They put their entire lives on hold.

00:42:39.780 And the in the vetting process is extraordinary.

00:42:42.700 The financial vetting process, any conflicts, all your background, the vetting process is

00:42:48.260 is just absolutely a grind.

00:42:51.440 And this has been in process for eight months.

00:42:53.660 President Trump wanted this done right away.

00:42:55.680 He wouldn't put this in the first wave of his nominations if it not been.

00:43:00.760 And this gets to the point of people working with President Trump in a horrible environment,

00:43:07.620 a horrible environment.

00:43:08.680 President Trump needs as much support as possible, particularly from the Republican establishment.

00:43:13.520 And you're seeing in the Senate where these things are being blocked, you know, the blue

00:43:17.820 slips, filibuster, the nominees, the tariff, the tariff deal for the people.

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00:46:44.720 Colonel Pete Chambers joins us.

00:46:46.720 Colonel, we talked today about the Republican establishment fighting President Trump.

00:46:51.920 His biggest battles right now are not even with the radical Democrats, although he's hammering

00:46:56.840 those guys every day.

00:46:58.200 It's really the Republican establishment is trying to thwart him at every turn.

00:47:03.260 You've announced, sir, I would say, charitably, a long shot bid to be the governor of Texas.

00:47:13.520 Now, number one, what's the problem with Abbott, who's been there for like a half a century?

00:47:17.820 And why do you think it's necessary to announce, you know, step out of your life, all the good

00:47:24.340 you've been doing to say, hey, I want to take this guy on and I think I can do a better job.

00:47:29.960 And that better job needs to start now, sir.

00:47:33.000 I believe that completely, sir.

00:47:35.260 And, you know, excuse me, I'm on the campaign trail.

00:47:38.100 It's a little raspy.

00:47:39.200 But understand this.

00:47:41.000 The bottom line up front for me is that this nation is in the throes of a color revolution. 0.80

00:47:46.280 And if we haven't seen it, we need to, as a watchman, announce it.

00:47:52.200 That's what I do.

00:47:53.260 If I'm a forcing function in this state, then I'll be a forcing function.

00:47:57.200 But when we put our name in the hat, we went up against that establishment to include folks

00:48:02.160 from my side, the Republican side.

00:48:04.260 And that's OK.

00:48:05.840 We have no problem with that because Texas is the target.

00:48:09.420 As the domino of the Fly River states, it is the target.

00:48:12.560 And I know too much.

00:48:13.800 I've witnessed too many sentinel events on Operation Lone Star on that border, on the

00:48:18.140 COVID mission, watching the conditions being set for disenfranchisement, destabilization,

00:48:24.260 and then currently where we are in a fight amongst our own party.

00:48:29.600 And we've got to do like Braveheart.

00:48:31.260 We've got to unite the clans.

00:48:32.400 We can do it.

00:48:33.780 Grassroots, if you will.

00:48:34.680 We the people.

00:48:35.500 We can do it.

00:48:36.360 But it's a long shot.

00:48:37.960 This is straight up, you know, Normandy.

00:48:40.340 We're at point two hawk.

00:48:41.400 We're going straight up the hill.

00:48:43.960 Colonel, explain.

00:48:45.360 Let's go to take a specific example.

00:48:47.820 Because you had Biden and you've had the Republican established for years.

00:48:50.880 But why did Abbott and other senior Republican officials in state government, in the state

00:48:57.960 legislature, why did they not use the powers that they have, which are substantial, to close

00:49:03.740 the border during those horrible years of President Trump in the wilderness when 12 to 15 to 20

00:49:10.460 million illegal alien invaders came across?

00:49:12.920 And a lot of half, at least half of those are more through the great, your beloved state

00:49:18.060 of Texas, sir.

00:49:19.900 Yes, sir.

00:49:20.920 Absolutely.

00:49:21.520 On Operation Lone Star, when we kicked it off for me three years ago, getting to the border,

00:49:26.360 it could have, we could have stopped that then.

00:49:29.520 We, as a state, could have stopped that then.

00:49:31.580 That was under the Biden administration.

00:49:33.460 The border was wide open.

00:49:34.640 12,500 a week came across 1,254 miles of Texas border.

00:49:40.040 Now, for me, as the guy that's looking for a needle in a stack of needles down there, not

00:49:44.020 only the task force surgeon, but a liaison to special operations, when I called for specifically

00:49:49.960 a designation of FTO, foreign terrorist organization, with my team to the governor's staff, it fell

00:49:56.380 on deaf ears, and I get it, we sometimes have to follow, we do have to follow the orders

00:50:01.580 of our civilian leaders.

00:50:03.220 However, when we advise these things, we don't do it because we believe or don't believe anything

00:50:08.640 other than the facts.

00:50:10.140 And Operation Lone Star, unfortunately, and I'm going to tell the honest truth here, was

00:50:14.760 an optic versus reality, which was we had literally 30,000, in my estimate, bad actors

00:50:22.120 coming to the state of Texas alone.

00:50:23.980 This is under Tren de Aragua, CCP actors, and other born actors, especially from the

00:50:30.960 Middle East, where now we're looking at a Sharia problem in the state of Texas, to include

00:50:35.860 two Sharia law courts up in Dallas.

00:50:39.560 And it cannot happen.

00:50:40.660 It cannot be under the state or federal constitution.

00:50:43.080 Is Governor Abbott getting the joke by declaring a Muslim Brotherhood in care a terrorist organization,

00:50:50.820 or is this just more, is this another project?

00:50:53.640 Lone Star, is this just more optics?

00:50:56.600 Yes, sir.

00:50:57.060 And you have Brian Harrison on frequently, and he gets it, and he understands it.

00:51:01.140 There has been a declaration, if you will, of a foreign terrorist organization without teeth.

00:51:06.000 And when you say that you've outlawed Sharia law, which is what the governor has said, when

00:51:10.440 you look at the fine print, because the devil's always in the details, when you look at the

00:51:14.060 fine print, it outlawed certain practices of that.

00:51:17.320 The word Sharia is not even in the law.

00:51:19.980 It's not even in the strongly worded message.

00:51:22.880 And so we've got to get past that, because somebody asked me last night, what are you

00:51:26.640 going to do different than Abbott?

00:51:27.720 Here's what I said.

00:51:28.820 I said, well, I'm not going to lie to you for 11 years, right?

00:51:31.700 I'm a term limit guy anyway.

00:51:32.900 So I'm going to come in, we're going to fix the problem, because this is the time of

00:51:36.600 cartoon character legislators, and this Hegelian dialectic and optics is over.

00:51:44.160 We need a wartime governor.

00:51:46.200 This is a soft war, but it's a hybrid and threat, and it is a color revolution. 0.81

00:51:53.140 Colonel, can you hang on for a second?

00:51:54.480 We'll hold you through the break.

00:51:56.840 Colonel Pete Chambers is with us.

00:51:58.640 He's running for the Republican nomination in the great state of Texas against Governor

00:52:02.960 Abbott, the incumbent, been around for a long time.

00:52:06.240 Eric Prince is going to join us about the heavy lift President Trump has throughout the

00:52:11.560 globe.

00:52:12.820 We're also going to go back to artificial intelligence.

00:52:15.060 Joe, Joe Allen and others are going to bring us, get back to us and hopefully get Ben Harnwell.

00:52:20.800 Pretty packed in the second hour.

00:52:23.160 We're going to leave you with the right stuff.

00:52:25.040 Pete Chambers has got it.

00:52:28.400 Mark Walker's got it.

00:52:30.400 Eric Prince has got it.

00:52:32.480 The question is, does the Republican establishment got it?

00:52:36.640 I don't know.

00:52:38.700 They're fighting President Trump every second of every day.

00:52:43.000 What happened yesterday in Indiana is a disgrace.

00:52:46.180 Full stop.

00:52:47.440 Short commercial break.

00:52:48.460 Back in the war room in about two minutes.

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Bannon's War Room - December 12, 2025

Episode 4992： AI Takes Forefront Going Into 2026; Fighting For Trump's Nominees

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