Bannon's War Room - December 18, 2025


Episode 5007： Tanenhaus Returns： Buckley And The Conservative Revolution


Episode Stats

Length

55 minutes

Words per Minute

167.23709

Word Count

9,219

Sentence Count

807

Misogynist Sentences

6

Hate Speech Sentences

6


Summary

Stephen K. Bannon and Sam Tannenhaus talk all things climate change and the Chinese Communist Party. They talk about a new report from the Free Press on the increasing scrutiny of Chinese energy interests in the United States by the Department of Justice and state attorneys general.


Transcript

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00:00:44.000 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:00:52.000 Thursday, 18 December, Year of the Lord, 2025.
00:00:54.000 You're around for the second hour of the morning edition of the War Room.
00:00:57.000 Sam Tannenhaus is going to join us in a moment.
00:00:59.000 Our continued discussion about Bill Buckley and his revolution.
00:01:03.000 Gabe Kaminsky, George, right now from the Free Press.
00:01:06.000 And just serendipously worked out it came after this print and after Dr. Peter Navarro and E.J. and Tony.
00:01:12.000 So, Gabe, one of the foundational elements of President Trump's economic policy is full-spectrum energy dominance, right?
00:01:21.000 You just heard Peter say right there is all kind of issues now with refineries, all this.
00:01:26.000 It turns out you've got an exclusive report, if we can put it up on the Free Press, that it turns out a lot of these climate groups and do-gooder groups are in association with the Chinese Communist Party.
00:01:37.000 And they are quite deep into American energy policy.
00:01:40.000 And now at the state level, people are waking up to this.
00:01:43.000 Can you walk us through your exclusive investigative report, sir?
00:01:46.000 Yeah, thanks for having me.
00:01:48.000 That's according to what you just said there.
00:01:50.000 That's according to 26 Republican attorneys general.
00:01:52.000 So we had reported at the Free Press that these top law enforcement officials sent a letter to the Department of Justice this week requesting that Attorney General Pam Bondi investigate whether a few different climate nonprofits in the United States focused on climate change or environmental causes may have failed to register under the Foreign Agents and Registration Act, also known as FARA, on behalf of China.
00:02:18.000 And so effectively, these top law enforcement officials are accusing US nonprofits of acting as foreign agents or sort of like secret lobbyists for the Chinese Communist Party.
00:02:30.000 And the basis for that, according to these officials, is that, for example, one of these nonprofits, it's called the Energy Foundation China.
00:02:38.000 It's based in San Francisco, but it also has an office in Beijing where it employs a whole host of former Chinese government officials and is supervised by China's government directly because it is registered in Beijing with China's nonprofit agency.
00:02:57.000 And coupled with the Energy Foundation China's advocacy in the United States related to anti-oil litigation or congressional related advocacy that is against fossil fuel and production of oil, the Attorney General think that this group and others should have to register under FARA.
00:03:19.000 I mean, that's it's it's it's not just that their group and they're taking money or mayor association.
00:03:25.620 When you actually go after FARA, you're saying that their their their their purpose, right, is to represent the interest of another country.
00:03:33.860 In this case, the Chinese Communist Party, how did it get because these things just didn't appear yesterday.
00:03:39.640 How long has this been going on and how have other DOJ officials and other state officials looked the other way on this?
00:03:46.360 So the interesting thing about the Energy Foundation China is that this scrutiny is not new.
00:03:52.500 This is a charity that has been registered with the IRS since 1991 and over the past five years, roughly, there has been heightened scrutiny of them, particularly among Republicans who are hawkish on China and believe that Beijing is indirectly or directly propping up groups in the United States that have this anti-oil agenda that is aiming to boost China,
00:04:15.840 China, which is, I mean, China trade tensions have, you know, you just said Peter Navarro and who was talking about trade tensions, trade tensions have continued to escalate between the United States and China.
00:04:25.880 Beijing has been continuing to import oil from adversary, other adversaries of the United States like Venezuela.
00:04:32.000 And so coupled with that and the other sort of leg of this is that there has been heightened scrutiny in the United States of climate related organizations engaged in disruptive sort of protests in Washington, D.C., where I live.
00:04:46.820 The congressional baseball game every few years now, there's climate protesters running on the field around the world.
00:04:55.060 There's been reporting about climate protesters throwing paint at fine art or gluing themselves to streets or cars, which has only led American officials to believe this is a national security issue, a national security issue paying to oil and energy.
00:05:11.540 And so the funding is aiming to, you know, look into that further.
00:05:16.640 No, I mean, they're they're they're trying to, you know, stop refineries, make the cost of American energy because it makes us and a competitive.
00:05:23.880 This is a group. The Chinese Communist Party has a one trillion dollar trade surplus this year.
00:05:28.960 And, you know, folks, think about that. You talk about adversaries.
00:05:33.240 Venezuela is bad enough. But I said this, you know, even if you don't want to get in the middle of the Israeli situation in the Middle East,
00:05:40.280 I've been saying the Iranians, the Mullahs are in business for one reason.
00:05:44.540 They basically have a long term output deals with the Chinese Communist Party.
00:05:47.780 I think I think that I think Iran or the Persians provide 50 or 60 percent of the of the energy for the Chinese Communist Party.
00:05:56.480 I mean, the Chinese Communist Party has a total master plan geopolitically.
00:05:59.820 Part of it is to hurt the United States when it comes to Trump's full spectrum energy dominance.
00:06:06.560 Gabe, do you expect action to be taken?
00:06:08.380 You said this has been reviewed for a while. You get 26 AGs.
00:06:11.480 Now it's a Pan Bondi. She's swamped with so much.
00:06:14.360 You know, we got we were arguing that DOJ's got to get up to Brown University every day.
00:06:19.200 We're banging on them. You know, we love these folks, but there's just so much to do.
00:06:22.540 Are they going to have inside the group over there?
00:06:24.700 Are they going to have the capacity to actually take on the CCP?
00:06:28.760 I reached out to the Department of Justice.
00:06:30.560 I did not hear back. If you Steve, if you hear anything from people, the DOJ, you know, let us all know.
00:06:35.860 But generally, Farrah has long been a dormant office.
00:06:40.760 In fact, for decades, from about 1988 to 2016, there were, I believe, under or around 10 Farrah prosecutions as a whole,
00:06:49.240 which really shows how much of an obscure law it's been viewed.
00:06:52.100 That ramped up post-2016.
00:06:55.160 But right now, after Attorney General Pam Bondi issued a memo after she joined the Trump administration that signaled to law firms and lobbying firms in Washington
00:07:06.920 that the DOJ was only focusing on the most serious, what they determined to be the most serious Farrah offenses,
00:07:15.280 what they determined to be cases that are treason or espionage.
00:07:19.140 And so on that basis, it's really not clear if the Department of Justice would be, would have, would, you know, put the resources into focusing on this.
00:07:27.460 But we have not heard back from the DOJ.
00:07:29.480 And my understanding from the state attorneys general is that they do, you know, it's a significant amount of states that called for this action.
00:07:36.540 And they do aim to have conversations with the DOJ to force this issue.
00:07:41.780 Gabe, where do people get you?
00:07:42.960 Where do they get your rings at Free Press and where do they find your social media, sir?
00:07:46.260 Yeah, you can read all of my and my colleagues' reporting at thefp.com and follow me on X at G.E. Kaminsky.
00:07:55.180 Brother, thank you so much, Kaminsky.
00:07:56.640 It was fantastic.
00:07:57.340 Great report.
00:07:57.960 We're going to push it out.
00:07:59.020 And we'll check in with the DOJ to make sure there's some action being taken.
00:08:03.180 Let us know.
00:08:03.780 Sam Tannenhaus, Marxism, communism, Bill Buckley with Whitaker Chambers and others fully supported McCarthy because they realized after the defeat of the fascist, Imperial Japan, the Nazis, and the Italian fascists, that communism, right?
00:08:23.280 And, you know, one of them was our ally, another one really wasn't, that communism was going to be a massive, massive problem and there's going to be a global conflict.
00:08:33.360 So he wrote a book, Was McCarthy and His Enemies?
00:08:39.180 Buckley did.
00:08:40.060 Walk me through that because he's, you know, you see today, you know, we have Navarro up here about the trade deficit, you know, the trade surplus of a trillion dollars by the CCP.
00:08:48.300 You got Kaminsky saying, hey, they got people everywhere trying to do everything to bring the United States down, including going after President Trump's energy policy.
00:08:57.180 Buckley was a devout Catholic and a hardcore anti-communist.
00:09:01.300 Was he not just like Joe McCarthy?
00:09:04.020 He was and he liked McCarthy.
00:09:05.960 They met at Yale when Bill Buckley was an undergraduate.
00:09:09.800 Joe McCarthy came and gave a talk there in 1948.
00:09:13.580 Buckley was involved with a political union there, campus group, the Republican Party, the party of the right, conservatives.
00:09:21.320 And they always liked to have big speakers come through in 1948, important midterm elections.
00:09:26.320 We know all about those.
00:09:27.440 And the only guy they could get was Joe McCarthy, who wasn't famous yet.
00:09:31.560 But he was getting on to this issue of anti-communism, of how much the gatekeepers were withholding about what they really knew.
00:09:41.780 That's what McCarthy was about.
00:09:43.080 How many communists are there really?
00:09:44.760 Who are the names?
00:09:45.380 Let's have them.
00:09:45.940 And he was very aggressive about it.
00:09:49.240 And Buckley agreed with him.
00:09:50.780 And in fact, his main mentor, a guy named Wilmore Kendall, brilliant political scientist, one of the most talented thinkers of that era, still read today, Steve, said to Buckley, watch this guy, McCarthy.
00:10:03.720 He's stirring something.
00:10:05.720 He's stirring something.
00:10:06.560 He's reaching the people with this argument, not the elites.
00:10:10.000 He's reaching the public.
00:10:11.020 And another one of Buckley's mentors, another intellectual giant, James Burnham, said the same thing.
00:10:19.780 And he said, keep your eye on McCarthy.
00:10:21.900 McCarthy is not going to get everything right, but he's going to ask the big questions.
00:10:27.080 He's going to push it out with the public and see it.
00:10:31.340 So Buckley said, I'm down with that.
00:10:33.440 And he and his brother-in-law, Brent Bozell, very important figure, in some ways, as important as Buckley as a thinker, they decide what's happening to McCarthy is that the opposition, the enemies, as they called them, is controlling the debate.
00:10:50.920 They're saying, no, let's not listen to what McCarthy says.
00:10:55.820 Let's take McCarthy himself down.
00:10:58.280 Who is Joe McCarthy?
00:10:59.540 He's getting X wrong.
00:11:00.740 He's getting Y wrong.
00:11:01.980 He's inventing stuff.
00:11:02.960 He doesn't have the goods.
00:11:04.560 Meanwhile, McCarthy's getting documentation from the FBI, Jack Hoover.
00:11:09.400 And they realized, Buckley and Bozell, that McCarthy himself was becoming the object of attack.
00:11:18.700 And they said, why is that happening?
00:11:21.200 It's because liberals control the media.
00:11:24.940 That's how Buckley came up with the idea of founding National Review.
00:11:29.520 It will be the beachhead.
00:11:30.760 It will be the counter-argument that will be airtight, super smart, really fun to read, that's going to stand up against the liberal tide and make that case for the anti-communism.
00:11:45.520 That's how it came to be.
00:11:46.980 It was the greatest publication, conservative publication of its time.
00:11:50.840 I'm going to get to National Review in a minute.
00:11:52.620 You say something in the book that really hit me in the solar plexus, and it goes back to last night.
00:12:00.520 You said they couldn't figure out because he had gone, and it was Claire Booth Luce, Luce's wife at Time magazine, that he saw speak at one of the Republican conventions.
00:12:13.020 And she was so magnificent.
00:12:14.960 She had wit, she had class, she knew how to put the rapier in, she had everything as a speaker.
00:12:20.700 And he realized that McCarthy was the exact opposite.
00:12:24.160 But I think somebody told him that the power of McCarthy wasn't his rhetoric, he wasn't a great speaker, but they had a power.
00:12:31.320 And his superpower was, he said things that the working class and middle class audience themselves were thinking, but wouldn't say.
00:12:40.620 Very much a forerunner of Donald Trump, is he not?
00:12:44.500 Yeah, I'll give you an example of that, Steve.
00:12:48.580 Probably the greatest intellectual in the Buckley orbit was this philosopher and scholar James Burnham, whose book The Manager of a Revolution, I think we talked about this, inspired George Orwell.
00:13:01.320 In 1984, Burnham did a thing.
00:13:04.400 Every year, he was very much an elite guy, top of his class at Princeton, educated at Oxford after that, professor at NYU, Georgetown apartment.
00:13:16.080 He would take a trip, he'd take a road trip for about six weeks, and he'd go out to the country.
00:13:21.280 And he'd talk to regular people.
00:13:23.660 And they would say, the communism thing doesn't seem that hard to us.
00:13:28.160 Why don't we just get rid of them?
00:13:31.320 Why are we creating a talking shop about them?
00:13:35.180 They're coming after us.
00:13:36.560 Why don't we go after them in return?
00:13:39.800 And Burnham says, they're right.
00:13:43.080 They're right.
00:13:44.020 That, by the way, is the origin of Buckley's really, probably most famous comment.
00:13:49.540 I'd rather be governed by the first 2,000 names in the Boston telephone book than by the faculty of Harvard University.
00:13:56.660 It began with that, that if you listen, Buckley's a fantastic listener.
00:14:01.380 People remember how much style he had as a talker.
00:14:03.800 Great listener.
00:14:04.420 He, he's hearing something else coming out there from the people.
00:14:09.760 And he's also at his church, goes to church every Sunday, right?
00:14:14.480 His mother was a daily communicant.
00:14:16.920 You know what that means.
00:14:18.080 She went to mass every single day.
00:14:20.220 Buckley's very close to her.
00:14:21.280 He didn't go every day.
00:14:22.160 On Sunday, he wanted to hear the old classic Latin mass.
00:14:26.120 He's an altar boy.
00:14:27.500 His fellow parishioners, they are not rich guys in Connecticut.
00:14:31.240 It's the working class and middle class.
00:14:33.840 Buckley actually has a lot more in common with them than people realize.
00:14:37.760 And so does Joe McCarthy.
00:14:39.320 So I add one more name to this thing, Stephen.
00:14:41.260 It's interesting.
00:14:42.080 William Casey.
00:14:42.740 Yeah, go ahead.
00:14:43.360 Go ahead.
00:14:44.000 Hang on, Sam.
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00:17:54.700 Sam Tannenhaus, continue on, sir.
00:17:56.720 Well, so they realize McCarthy's the voice they need.
00:18:02.420 But you have to be careful because you have a large media landscape, what we call an ecosystem.
00:18:10.840 It's a lot different back then.
00:18:13.260 It's very easy to get cornered as being extremist, militant, and not permitted into the conversation.
00:18:23.940 You know, Buckley calls them the racket club rules, right?
00:18:27.960 Which is great because Buckley comes out of that background himself.
00:18:31.440 And that's the genius of it.
00:18:32.900 So he can, he can, now we call it, Steve, we call it code switching, right?
00:18:37.480 You can talk to different groups of people in different ways.
00:18:40.780 Buckley was a genius at that, again, because he's a great listener.
00:18:43.800 I want to say something, by the way, about President Trump that I think gets missed.
00:18:47.200 I was just telling a reporter this.
00:18:48.480 Trump is a much better listener than people realize.
00:18:54.000 Look how much of that first campaign came out of the talk radio he was absorbing.
00:19:02.100 I mean, where do you think that language comes from?
00:19:04.360 You know, I wrote a piece you may remember about Josh Green's book about you.
00:19:09.000 You and Donald Trump, number one bestseller.
00:19:12.540 And I mentioned how some of the language that candidate Trump used about the border came out of the language of border patrol people at the time, 2015, 16, but was treated as this outrageous, you know, kind of provocation.
00:19:32.080 It's the, and people heard that language who were involved in border enforcement.
00:19:35.740 This guy actually sounds like us.
00:19:37.540 That was part of Buckley's thing, right?
00:19:40.880 He's a great verbal guy, he's a word guy, he's a listener, he's an excellent musician, he speaks all these languages.
00:19:47.720 Everything comes to him through his ears, he hears things, and then turns them around, figures out how to do his own take on them.
00:19:54.020 And McCarthy was the guy who unlocked the mystery for how to get the public to understand this threat.
00:20:02.540 And going forward, he realized, too, something important, and something very important for us today.
00:20:09.000 Alex Jones on the show last night, in ending his analysis of the speech, said, cry havoc and unleash the dogs of information warfare.
00:20:17.520 Buckley and Bozell and the rest realized in McCarthy getting banged up that it wasn't that he didn't have the facts.
00:20:26.260 It wasn't that he didn't have a thing that people would rally around, but he had let other people craft the narrative or put the architecture around the narrative.
00:20:34.660 And that's eventually what destroyed him.
00:20:36.280 And they were determined not to allow that to happen to the conservative movement.
00:20:40.080 Is that generally true?
00:20:41.600 Yeah, I'll tell you how Buckley knew this, too, Steve.
00:20:45.200 It's an episode in the book, really important.
00:20:48.340 After Edward R. Murrow, you know, the great CBS broadcaster, went after McCarthy, which he began to do, by the way, after McCarthy had begun to slide, right?
00:20:58.380 He's very shrewd that way.
00:20:59.900 In the spring of 1954, he went after McCarthy very hard.
00:21:06.060 And Buckley had been writing this book with Bozell.
00:21:08.120 They're going through dossiers.
00:21:09.600 If you look at this book, it was a bestseller.
00:21:12.400 But one reason people were surprised by it, and McCarthy himself had trouble reading it, was it was so densely footnoted.
00:21:18.800 You know, it's constructed out of all these particular investigations of people's ideological histories, of their possible compromises when they're working in government and all the rest.
00:21:30.880 And so Buckley had all the data.
00:21:32.480 He's a young guy.
00:21:33.500 He's a great debater, probably the greatest debater of his time.
00:21:36.700 So Edward R. Murrow says to McCarthy, well, if you don't like, he said this on the air, how I've been treated, you can come on and rebut me.
00:21:47.700 Well, McCarthy is now barnstorming through Wisconsin elections coming up, 1954.
00:21:53.700 But McCarthy is the number one draw, by the way, for the Republicans in the midterms.
00:21:58.680 So McCarthy says, well, I don't have time to talk to you, but I know a young guy who does.
00:22:06.240 Bill Buckley will go on the air and refute you for 30 minutes.
00:22:11.180 Buckley told me he's sitting at home watching on TV, the TV news, and McCarthy says this.
00:22:17.680 He almost falls off his chair.
00:22:19.160 He says, so they're going to let me go on the air and make the case for McCarthy's crusade?
00:22:27.580 And then what happens?
00:22:29.540 Murrow sends a telegram that says, this extension, Senator, this invitation, Senator McCarthy, is only for you.
00:22:38.320 You can't have somebody else come on and make the case instead.
00:22:41.560 Because he knew very well that if Buckley had that half hour, he'd be able to make a really strong case.
00:22:49.720 He wanted nothing to do with Buckley.
00:22:52.120 That's one reason Buckley had to start the magazine.
00:22:54.480 If they're not going to platform him, as we say in the mainstream media, where's he going to make the case?
00:23:01.180 Start your own magazine.
00:23:02.680 Just like nowadays, people start their own podcast.
00:23:05.700 They go online.
00:23:07.000 Buckley was a pioneer of all that.
00:23:08.560 If they won't let you in, into the club, start your own club.
00:23:14.500 Let's talk about that.
00:23:16.040 National Review gets started, and then there's this issue, I guess, in the late 50s or maybe early 60s.
00:23:21.380 And it kind of is not directly analogous, but it's some of the things that are going on today,
00:23:26.620 where Tucker has somebody on his podcast, Nick Fuentes or others, and people melt down about it.
00:23:32.780 McCarthy, and walk us through how this happened, because you had many elements in this coalition,
00:23:37.200 and he realized you needed a coalition.
00:23:39.040 But you had the John Birchers, which I will say, if you look back over some of the stuff before the Birchers maybe got a little too crazy,
00:23:46.440 a lot of the stuff that Birchers stood for turned out to be right.
00:23:50.460 You also had the objectivists, Ahn Rand.
00:23:52.540 I'm not a libertarian, but it did have Alan Greenspan in there.
00:23:55.740 You might say, hey, it was kind of a weird cult, but they had some of the biggest thinkers.
00:24:00.240 In fact, a guy that was one of the most powerful Federal Reserve chairs ever.
00:24:05.200 Buckley made a decision at some point in time that they needed to go.
00:24:10.500 He needed to have the platform that determined who was in or who was out, who actually got heard, and who didn't get heard.
00:24:18.260 Can you walk us through that?
00:24:19.180 Yeah, here's what happened, Steve.
00:24:22.120 Buckley knew Ayn Rand.
00:24:23.540 He'd met her through anti-communist circles in the 50s.
00:24:26.360 And he also knew Robert Welch, the founder of the John Birch Society,
00:24:31.120 who's really begun in a secret meeting in Indianapolis, late 1958.
00:24:36.200 Organizations start in 1959.
00:24:38.520 Buckley supported Robert Welch and the Birch Society for a couple of years.
00:24:43.120 He thought they were great.
00:24:44.040 They're getting the grassroots people out there.
00:24:46.100 Who's going to knock on the doors to get people to the polls on primary day?
00:24:50.260 Who's going to get them out to vote for conservative candidates?
00:24:53.680 Welch was doing this through his organization.
00:24:55.960 Ayn Rand, Buckley was a little, he was like you.
00:24:59.740 You know, he's not sure he loves the totally libertarian, atheist argument.
00:25:05.960 The first time Buckley met Ayn Rand, Buckley said this.
00:25:10.160 She said to him, Mr. Buckley, you're too intelligent to believe in God.
00:25:14.880 And Buckley said, I didn't love hearing that.
00:25:18.220 You know, he liked your first novel, The Fountainhead.
00:25:20.500 But then when Atlas Shrugged came out, that's her magnum opus,
00:25:25.240 Buckley was uncomfortable with it because of the atheism,
00:25:29.320 because he thinks anti-communism.
00:25:31.580 And, you know, Ayn Rand was a Russian emigre, Jewish Russian emigre.
00:25:35.000 He thinks it has to be fought through a kind of moral religious crusade.
00:25:39.940 So he says, all right, who's the best writer I've got who can take down Ayn Rand?
00:25:43.480 Oh, I know Whitaker Chambers, one of the greatest writers alive.
00:25:47.400 So he takes Ayn Rand down in National Review.
00:25:50.060 Now, that was in 1957.
00:25:52.820 The Birchers come next.
00:25:54.620 And Buckley, if you look, and I have this in the book,
00:25:57.260 if you look at the early issues of National Review,
00:26:00.100 when the John Birch Society was founded, Buckley was all for it.
00:26:04.240 He says, this guy's organizing at the grassroots level.
00:26:07.660 Buckley and his friends will do the intellectual combat, right?
00:26:12.420 Buckley would go to campus.
00:26:13.940 And I'm hearing now from people who say,
00:26:16.340 they might have Charlie Kirk.
00:26:17.560 Go on campus, bring your best debater on.
00:26:19.620 I will take him on.
00:26:20.600 But there are other people who aren't on college campuses.
00:26:23.560 And the John Birch Society, through Robert Welch,
00:26:26.700 is organizing them in chapters.
00:26:30.440 It's actually modeled.
00:26:32.960 Welch did not deny this.
00:26:34.640 In fact, he was proud of it.
00:26:35.820 It's modeled on the American Communist Party.
00:26:37.960 We're going to have small cells.
00:26:39.400 We're going to educate people in the community.
00:26:42.960 And they will carry the fight.
00:26:44.300 Hey, you got some leftists on your school board there.
00:26:47.040 Do we really want them?
00:26:48.400 Let's have a campaign.
00:26:49.820 Let's have a vote.
00:26:50.900 So Buckley likes them.
00:26:52.140 But then what happens is, and we know about this.
00:26:54.860 You're right, Steve.
00:26:55.780 This is where the parallel comes in.
00:26:57.860 In his own writings, Welch was very conspiratorial minded.
00:27:04.840 You know, now, look, Vice President Vance just told us,
00:27:09.180 I believe in conspiracies that are true.
00:27:12.340 Well, Welch got involved in a conspiracy that wasn't true.
00:27:15.720 He was really convinced that Dwight Eisenhower was a communist agent.
00:27:20.500 And Buckley at first said, so what?
00:27:23.960 If that's what he thinks, he's allowed to think it.
00:27:27.420 The, as they called them, the little old ladies in tennis sneakers,
00:27:30.880 and the retired generals, and businessmen in small towns,
00:27:35.100 who are, by the way, the backbone of the John Birch Society, right?
00:27:39.600 He's a very upstanding citizens, right?
00:27:42.880 He says, they're not saying this stuff.
00:27:45.160 Who cares what Robert Welch said?
00:27:48.280 Well, the media took advantage of it.
00:27:50.860 Sam, hang on a second.
00:27:52.560 I want to get to the punchline after a short break.
00:27:55.040 Sam Tannenhaus, make sure you've got time to give it as a Christmas gift.
00:28:00.120 Buckley, the life and the revolution that changed America.
00:28:04.620 If you want to understand MAGA and where MAGA came from,
00:28:09.500 the roots, they've kind of gone in a different direction.
00:28:13.460 But you've got to understand Buckley and the Buckley Conservative Revolution.
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00:32:13.540 Continue, sir.
00:32:14.560 These are so good.
00:32:15.360 I could just, I could sit here all day and do it.
00:32:17.940 Well.
00:32:18.660 Oh, no, hang on, hang on.
00:32:20.000 First off, first off, the book just got, audience,
00:32:23.680 we never give you chopped liver here.
00:32:25.840 The book just got nominated for one of the most,
00:32:28.720 or the most prestigious award in biography.
00:32:30.840 What is it?
00:32:32.380 It's called the National Book Critics Circle Award, Steve.
00:32:35.940 It's critics across the country.
00:32:37.280 So it's one of 10 books.
00:32:38.420 They're all great books, obviously.
00:32:39.560 But there it is.
00:32:41.180 And the publisher told me about this the other day.
00:32:43.500 Very pleased about it.
00:32:44.700 So this is their long list.
00:32:46.240 Then they cut it down to another group, and the winner will be announced.
00:32:50.660 Prices are nice.
00:32:51.800 I mean, I've been up for a few.
00:32:52.900 I've even, you know, won one or two.
00:32:54.580 And it's great, but, you know, it's really about getting the book out there so readers get at it.
00:33:01.640 And so this is, you know, it's like a, you know, certification, a gold seal, you know.
00:33:07.080 So that's, so I'm very happy about that.
00:33:09.360 But let's get on to the important stuff here, which is that Buckley realizes the John Birch Society is doing really good work,
00:33:17.000 and he's all for them.
00:33:18.620 The problem is Welch has got these extreme theories.
00:33:22.780 And while the rank and file don't pay attention to them, guess who does?
00:33:28.140 The media is all over it.
00:33:30.160 And so they create stories.
00:33:32.300 They're publishing stories all the time.
00:33:33.900 Give you an example.
00:33:35.360 You know, we think we're living in sort of extreme times now.
00:33:38.280 Now, in 1959, or a little later, 1960, 61, the John Birch Society is now really big.
00:33:47.300 And it's, you know, at the most, maybe it's 40,000 or 50,000 members.
00:33:51.720 Could be less than that.
00:33:53.120 Some have said as many as 100,000.
00:33:54.860 But that's enough if they're organized to make a difference in politics and in communities, which is what they're all about.
00:34:01.240 So Robert Welch announces they're going to have a college competition to see who can write the best essay saying the chief justice of the Supreme Court, Earl Warren, should be impeached.
00:34:15.140 And it's going to be an essay that makes the constitutional case for removing him.
00:34:21.180 The New York Times reported that on page one as if it's an invasion coming from Mars.
00:34:28.660 It's an essay contest.
00:34:31.240 But they managed to scare people about it.
00:34:34.620 And Welch himself doesn't get it.
00:34:36.560 He viewed himself as an educator, right?
00:34:38.980 All this is in my book.
00:34:40.200 So Buckley says, OK, now we have a problem.
00:34:43.220 The problem is Welch.
00:34:44.140 But hang on.
00:34:44.660 Hang on.
00:34:45.100 I do want to bring up.
00:34:46.560 I want to bring because this is analogous to the Trump movement.
00:34:50.040 And people don't lose this.
00:34:51.640 The two things that Welch went after, Eisenhower.
00:34:54.060 And there was, it sounds crazy on the surface, but he did have some logic to it, internal logic.
00:34:58.860 It made sense to him.
00:35:00.200 Eisenhower was a Republican president.
00:35:02.980 Earl Warren was a Republican chief justice of the Supreme Court.
00:35:06.900 It's not like he's going after, he's going after people that they considered the established order of the Republican and Conservative Party, correct?
00:35:14.680 Correct.
00:35:15.460 Correct.
00:35:16.240 Earl Warren was put on the Supreme Court in part because he had been a pretty strong contender in 1952 to be president.
00:35:26.000 He'd been on the Republican ticket as a vice president in 1948.
00:35:30.620 He's Republican establishment.
00:35:32.660 One of his protégés, a guy named William Noland, Bill Noland, was far to the right of Nixon from California.
00:35:39.140 It's the Republican establishment.
00:35:42.780 The National Review and Buckley had their own term for it.
00:35:45.700 They called it the liberal establishment, capital L, capital E.
00:35:49.400 You had to keep telling the editors at Random House, no, you can't lowercase it.
00:35:53.140 It's the liberal establishment because they saw it as going across both parties.
00:35:56.680 You know, kind of what we would call a blob or something or deep state today, that if you go in the big kind of muddle middle, the two parties kind of sound like each other.
00:36:06.580 This is what Buckley's genius was, to lead an insurgency against it.
00:36:10.500 You wouldn't know anything about that, Steve.
00:36:12.420 They didn't have a conservative, they didn't have conservatism ink back then.
00:36:17.840 You know, you and some other people came up with that term.
00:36:21.020 It didn't exist.
00:36:21.860 It didn't exist when I wrote my little book on conservatism 15 years ago on how the establishment was coming apart.
00:36:28.220 I didn't think, I didn't use that term.
00:36:30.100 It didn't exist.
00:36:30.920 Well, Buckley and company see the same thing.
00:36:33.160 Robert Welch, they realize, is very effective.
00:36:35.100 But they also know that establishment is going to do what you always do with the movement, is you go to the person at the top.
00:36:44.880 Buckley first wrote a brilliant defense of Robert Welch, defense in National Review, 1961.
00:36:51.680 And he says, listen, what liberals like even less than a weak conservative movement is a strong conservative movement.
00:37:03.000 That's their fear.
00:37:03.820 And Welch is making it stronger.
00:37:06.520 But once Welch himself became super vulnerable, because he can't stop himself, he goes on television and he starts repeating this stuff about Eisenhower.
00:37:16.920 And Buckley and others are saying, this is not going to work.
00:37:20.300 So, Steve, here's who got together in a private hotel room in, interesting, wait for it, Palm Beach, to figure out what to do about it.
00:37:31.000 Bill Buckley was one, the great conservative writer and thinker Russell Kirk was another, and a senator who is kind of making waves from Arizona, who comes in dressed like a cowboy named Barry Goldwater.
00:37:45.500 Buckley wrote a great account of it, a reminiscence through the end of his life.
00:37:48.700 And he said, Barry Goldwater had a briefcase, but if he ever opened it that entire meeting at the Breakers, I never saw him do it.
00:37:56.900 They're there and they agree.
00:37:58.960 Welch is the problem.
00:38:00.960 Not the Birchers, Welch himself.
00:38:03.120 So Buckley even warned him, because he liked Welch.
00:38:06.600 Buckley kind of liked everybody.
00:38:08.140 And he said, look, you're going to see me coming after you.
00:38:10.760 I am not coming after the organization, but I'm saying we have a problem with you.
00:38:16.180 So they organized.
00:38:18.100 Buckley wrote the great attack on him in National Review.
00:38:22.700 Russell Kirk, who is super respected in the intellectual world, wrote articles in America, Liberal, Jesuit, Catholic Magazine,
00:38:32.400 going after Welch, and Goldwater told reporters, he told journalists, we need to get rid of this guy.
00:38:41.440 What do the reporters in the mainstream press do?
00:38:43.940 They leave it out on their stories in Goldwater.
00:38:46.200 They want to still pin the Birchers on him.
00:38:49.300 Goldwater couldn't believe it.
00:38:50.660 He said, I talked to this guy from the New York Times, and I told him we're getting rid of Welch, and he wouldn't report it.
00:38:57.700 So you think this stuff happens in later times.
00:39:00.320 It was happening even more back then.
00:39:02.400 So Buckley realized we're in it alone.
00:39:05.620 We're going to have to make the case in a way that we'll finally get some props from the establishment.
00:39:13.420 So Buckley wrote this brilliant five or six-page analysis of all the holes in Welch's arguments.
00:39:23.080 And he finally starts to get some credit from really the most important columnist of the time, James Reston at the New York Times.
00:39:30.680 It says, Buckley has written a brilliant dismantling.
00:39:34.300 So here's a lesson they all learned, Steve, which I found when I was an editor.
00:39:38.600 I was an op editor at the New York Times, and I would call conservatives, and they would say, I just fell off the chair.
00:39:44.860 I can't believe they hired you.
00:39:46.340 And the reasons, they thought they would only get approached to write about something when they went after the wrong side.
00:39:52.680 And so I would say, no, we want to hear other things you have to say, too.
00:39:59.940 But things that opened up, this is like the 90s.
00:40:02.960 You know, it's still a long time ago, but not back in the 60s.
00:40:06.620 So Buckley saw they had to push Welch out.
00:40:10.420 That brought in 1,200 angry letters from subscribers.
00:40:17.340 And it really damaged National Review for a while.
00:40:22.260 But then the publisher, Bill Rusher, who supported Welch and thought Buckley was making a mistake,
00:40:28.360 he tried to broker a truce with Welch.
00:40:30.480 Many years later, not long before he died, Bill Rusher told me, I was wrong.
00:40:36.360 Buckley was right.
00:40:37.560 We had to make that move.
00:40:39.940 And I looked closely at Buckley's writing at the time, because he would send letters out to everybody,
00:40:44.180 saying, what are you doing?
00:40:45.180 Why are you coming after this guy who's on our side?
00:40:47.900 And Buckley said, if the people in the middle think the leadership of our movement,
00:40:55.180 or one faction of it, is controlled by someone who's, you know, on the fringe, that will damage us.
00:41:02.560 Doesn't matter.
00:41:03.920 Everybody knows you have all kinds of people in your ground troops, right?
00:41:08.140 Pat Buchanan was great with his pitchfork crusade.
00:41:12.280 Yeah, you bring everybody in.
00:41:13.400 But the leadership has to pass a certain test.
00:41:16.700 And Welch wasn't doing it.
00:41:18.060 So Buckley pushed him out with regret.
00:41:20.500 But when he had to be, Buckley could be very icily pragmatic.
00:41:24.380 And that's what he did.
00:41:25.960 And very tough.
00:41:28.320 Fascinating.
00:41:29.260 We're going to continue this over the holidays.
00:41:31.740 Sam, where do people go to get the book?
00:41:34.920 The book is number one in a bunch of categories now.
00:41:37.540 The Warren Posse loves it.
00:41:38.640 I've gotten tremendous feedback.
00:41:40.260 A great gift, particularly for someone maybe younger, on your list, on your Christmas list,
00:41:46.400 that maybe doesn't have the background, the historical background of the country,
00:41:50.600 the conservative movement, and particularly a giant like Bill Buckley.
00:41:55.040 Of course, don't hold against what the National Review's turned into.
00:41:58.740 We're going to get to that as we go forward.
00:42:00.300 That's another story.
00:42:01.460 Well, as you know, because of our first broadcast, Random House reprinted.
00:42:06.760 And it takes a while to do that.
00:42:08.140 They are on Amazon.
00:42:09.280 You can go on Amazon.
00:42:10.040 And you'll see whatever number is left in stock.
00:42:12.640 But you can order them.
00:42:15.040 Anybody who wants to get in touch with me, and I'm hearing from some great listeners,
00:42:18.720 it's my website, samtownandhouse.com.
00:42:21.540 Just send me an email, and we'll have a conversation.
00:42:24.580 But it's in bookstores still.
00:42:25.940 I've been doing talks at clubs.
00:42:28.700 And their private clubs are able to get the book through bookstores.
00:42:32.100 But Amazon's still a good place.
00:42:34.740 And there'll be more available there, I'm told.
00:42:37.840 What about your people tell me the Whitaker Chambers book is sold out?
00:42:41.020 Are they going to restock the Whitaker Chambers?
00:42:43.760 I have to ask them at Random House because I discovered that too.
00:42:46.960 Yeah, they're out of stock now.
00:42:48.140 You can get it on Kindle.
00:42:49.400 But some people just like to have the book.
00:42:52.800 Got to have this one.
00:42:53.560 So I will ask them about that.
00:42:55.080 Yeah, they ran out.
00:42:57.820 Thanks to you.
00:42:58.560 Thanks for our conversations.
00:42:59.580 This weighs in at over 1,000 pages.
00:43:02.920 People got to get this.
00:43:03.880 This is a prestige book.
00:43:06.760 Sam, it's so great to have you on here.
00:43:08.360 Thank you for taking time away.
00:43:09.460 I know your schedule is really busy.
00:43:10.560 But thank you for taking your time and joining us here in the War Room.
00:43:13.640 It's been a pleasure, Steve.
00:43:14.980 Anytime.
00:43:17.680 Thank you, sir.
00:43:19.300 Let's see how many.
00:43:20.920 The Birchers, the Libertarians forced out.
00:43:25.200 The stories are all in there.
00:43:26.640 They're amazing.
00:43:27.160 The personalities you'll see.
00:43:28.420 Reagan, young Reagan.
00:43:29.700 Nixon, Goldwater, all of them.
00:43:32.180 And Bill Buckley, the intellectual, the public intellectual giant of it all.
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00:45:16.500 Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.
00:45:21.340 Okay, we're all over the Ella Cook situation at Brown and also the situation down in Savannah with the acid attack.
00:45:28.120 More on that throughout that.
00:45:29.120 We'll be putting stuff up and get her all day.
00:45:31.040 Grace and Mo, they're going to get up before we do to AmFest.
00:45:34.540 We're going out there and shifting the flag.
00:45:36.420 Afternoon show will be out there, hosted by a collection of folks.
00:45:40.320 I'll be out there a little later today.
00:45:41.900 And we're going to have a great weekend.
00:45:43.840 And that security out there is supposed to be fantastic.
00:45:46.040 So we've got to make sure that security around the country for the rest of the Ella Cooks is beyond solid.
00:45:53.340 And that's what we need the FBI to step in right now and take over that investigation and tell us about Ella Cook.
00:45:59.260 We need to know about her.
00:46:00.300 Cameron Kinsey, former White House official, staffer over there.
00:46:06.060 You know, Scott Besson is now in charge of the IRS.
00:46:08.560 The great Citizen Kane, who, by the way, mediates it as the 15th most powerful site out there, put up this analysis that showed in a couple of years, we're going to be spending $2 trillion a year in interest payments on the debt.
00:46:20.680 Right. And the debt's going to be out of control by then.
00:46:24.320 So the IRS and Scott Besson has told the president, hey, everything that we're rightfully owed, we're going to get.
00:46:30.020 Now, the gap is between what they feel they're owed and what you, you know, what the citizen feels they're owed.
00:46:35.540 And that is where in the middle of that is where Tax Network USA come in.
00:46:40.880 Take it away, ma'am.
00:46:42.860 Yes. Well, thank you so much for having me, Stephen.
00:46:44.840 And you're exactly right.
00:46:46.040 And no matter who is in office, we are going to continue to fight for hardworking Americans.
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00:46:55.480 We specialize in helping individuals, small business owners, really just take on the IRS.
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00:47:14.520 They know how the IRS operates and they know how to push back effectively, Steve.
00:47:18.960 And, you know, the truth is the IRS sometimes doesn't care who's in charge politically.
00:47:23.460 And you know this.
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00:47:25.580 And so our job is just to protect hardworking Americans.
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00:47:40.260 We've I mean, again, we've helped eliminate a billion dollars in tax debt.
00:47:45.900 We approach every single case strategically and personally, Steve, because we share the same values of the people watching the show.
00:47:53.320 We want limited government.
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00:48:17.600 But really, our initial free consultation is just to dive into your picture a little bit deeper.
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00:48:33.220 We make sure that your filings are clean and accurate and audit proof.
00:48:37.120 So even though we've seen those deadlines pass, you know, if you've gotten those IRS letters in the mail, do not wait.
00:48:47.600 They get they get really scared to take on the IRS.
00:48:50.480 They don't even know where to start.
00:48:52.220 And I'm here to tell you, the average American does not know the tax code inside and out.
00:48:56.680 I can tell you right now, I am not a tax expert myself, but we have experts in your corner.
00:49:01.660 And that's why it is so important to have help on your side.
00:49:05.540 And so if you do want to get started, we do just recommend like bring your W-2s, bring the IRS letters, bring the financial records,
00:49:12.860 anything that shows proof of hardship, like medical bills, proof of income loss.
00:49:18.100 But don't worry if you don't have it all organized either.
00:49:21.000 That's really just a part of what we do as well.
00:49:22.860 So don't panic if it's not all gathered.
00:49:25.020 If documents are missing, our team can actually assist with that as well, Steve.
00:49:29.060 Obtain copies from the IRS or other sources.
00:49:31.760 So we're just focused on building a robust case for our clients.
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00:50:13.160 Cameron, Merry Christmas, ma'am.
00:50:15.180 Love working with you this year.
00:50:16.420 Fantastic work.
00:50:17.540 It's fantastic.
00:50:18.200 Thank you so much, Steve.
00:50:19.620 Appreciate you.
00:50:20.240 God bless.
00:50:21.480 That's MAGA right there.
00:50:23.100 Cameron Kinsey.
00:50:24.740 Mike Lindell, I am so, so proud of you, brother, the way you're running this campaign.
00:50:29.640 But that's a topic for a different day.
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00:52:35.740 We'll see you at 5 o'clock.
00:52:37.600 Thanks, Jim.
00:52:38.300 Hardest working man in showbiz right there.
00:52:40.920 I want to thank Sam Tannehouse.
00:52:42.500 Once again, I want to thank the team at RAV last night.
00:52:45.640 Tremendous coverage from Predator Trump's speech.
00:52:47.380 And afterwards, just great.
00:52:49.440 Charlie Kirk's show is next with Andrew Colvette.
00:52:52.560 Poso's up.
00:52:53.740 You got Gruber.
00:52:54.560 You got Bowling.
00:52:55.260 They're actually, I think, already at AmFest.
00:52:57.360 You're going to have our crew out there.
00:52:59.060 I will see you later tonight and tomorrow and over the weekend.
00:53:03.220 Make sure you stick around.
00:53:05.200 The Charlie Kirk show is next, and they're going to be rocking it out in Phoenix.
00:53:10.460 See you later.
00:53:11.060 Do you owe back taxes or haven't filled in years?
00:53:17.900 Now is the time to resolve your tax matters.
00:53:20.860 When the national conversation around abolishing the income tax system,
00:53:24.240 the IRS is fighting back and proving it's here to stay
00:53:27.880 by becoming more aggressive than ever before.
00:53:30.980 They're sending out more collection notices, filing more tax liens,
00:53:34.460 and collecting billions more than in recent years.
00:53:37.720 If you owe, the IRS can garnish your wages, levy your bank accounts,
00:53:42.500 seize your retirement, even your home.
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00:54:10.540 Don't make a costly mistake.
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