Bannon's War Room - December 27, 2025


Episode 5027： WarRoom Saturday Special： The Patriot's History Of America cont.


Episode Stats

Length

50 minutes

Words per Minute

161.72957

Word Count

8,235

Sentence Count

493

Misogynist Sentences

3

Hate Speech Sentences

10


Summary

In this episode, Larry Schweikert talks about his new book, "The Patriots History of the United States: A History of Globalization," and why he thinks Trump is the greatest president of the 21st century.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:00:07.000 Pray for our enemies.
00:00:09.000 Because we're going medieval on these people.
00:00:12.000 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:00:17.000 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:00:19.000 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:00:20.000 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,
00:00:22.000 but you're not going to stop it.
00:00:23.000 It's going to happen.
00:00:24.000 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
00:00:27.000 Mega Media.
00:00:29.000 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:34.000 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:38.000 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:00:44.000 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Banff.
00:00:52.000 Saturday, 27 December, Year of the Lord 2025.
00:00:56.000 Larry Schweikert's my guest.
00:00:58.000 Larry, you have a new book.
00:01:00.000 Anytime that you come out with a new book, it's an event.
00:01:02.000 You've got a new book that's coming out here in a month or two.
00:01:06.000 And you're the author of the famous Patriots History of the United States.
00:01:10.000 You had a couple of additional editions of that.
00:01:12.000 You wrote a book for War Room on the Patriots History of Globalization.
00:01:17.000 You've got so many irons in the fire and you understand Trump politics and MAGA as well as anybody.
00:01:25.000 Talk to me about not just the new book, but the concept of it.
00:01:29.000 Well, how did you come to this concept?
00:01:31.000 And people are always fascinated about writers.
00:01:33.000 How long do I take you to do the research?
00:01:35.000 When do you stop researching and start writing?
00:01:37.000 We found after the last edition of Patriots History of the United States came out in 2018 that Sentinel was not interested in doing a 20th anniversary edition or updating it in any way.
00:01:51.000 And I felt an obligation to our readers to keep the book current.
00:01:57.000 It is in its 45th printing.
00:02:01.000 And just last week, I think we sold 1,700 copies.
00:02:04.000 I mean, it just continues to be a bestselling book all the time.
00:02:09.000 But since then, I've been researching stuff in case I ever had another edition.
00:02:14.000 And then last year, I decided, well, I'm going to write two more chapters that will bring everything up to 2025 and make them free available to anyone who emails me.
00:02:24.000 So if you're out there and you want the new chapter 23 and the new chapter 24 that go from 2018 to 2025, email me at Larry at WildWorldHistory.com and I'll send you the free copies.
00:02:38.000 I think after they'll be in PDFs, not the whole book.
00:02:42.000 I'll send you two, three PDFs with the new stuff in it.
00:02:45.000 And I think after we did our show on Thanksgiving, I probably sent out four or 500 of those requests.
00:02:52.000 So I had all this material that I've been researching and I realized there's a lot of depth that needs to be developed here.
00:03:00.000 And the 21st century in particular, I love historical irony and the 21st century in particular just seems to be rife with historical irony.
00:03:12.000 For example, we start off with a virus, the Y2K bug that turned out not to be anything because the business people took it seriously.
00:03:22.000 And we pretty much end the first quarter century in 2020 to 2021 with another bug, the China virus.
00:03:32.000 Obama was supposed to be the transformative figure of the 21st century.
00:03:38.000 He's not transformative at all.
00:03:40.000 Trump is the one that has transformed the first quarter of the 21st century.
00:03:46.000 So the book is full of historical irony, and I would say I researched it off and on for, I don't know, five or six years, just filing stuff away as it came to me.
00:03:57.000 You know, this would be a neat story to tell or this is an important thing people need to understand.
00:04:02.000 And talk to me about the 21st century.
00:04:07.000 As a historian, it's always tougher, I guess, because journalism's called, I think it was Time Magazine that said they were the first draft of history.
00:04:16.000 It's always harder to write it when you're in the moment than able to go back.
00:04:20.000 Like, for instance, when you did Patriot's History, you and is it Mike Allen, you guys had taught history for decades.
00:04:28.000 In fact, one of the reasons you wrote the book is that you couldn't find, as you told me, you couldn't find a history text that you thought was unbiased enough to actually explain the American experience to your students.
00:04:41.000 That they were so biased and become so left wing that you and your co-author finally said, hey, I guess we're going to do this ourselves, right?
00:04:49.000 Exactly. Let me give you one of the quickest and easiest observations you can make on how biased these existing textbooks were.
00:04:58.000 If you come to the post-Civil War period, there is always a section in these textbooks on the building of the transcontinental railroads.
00:05:07.000 Union Pacific, Central Pacific, later the Southern Pacific, Northern Pacific, and almost without exception, I've documented this in another book, Mike, 48 Liberal Lies, but almost without exception, the established historians would come to a sentence where they would say almost this exact line,
00:05:26.000 the transcontinental railroads never would have been built without government aid, which is simply a lie, because James J. Hill built the Great Northern Railroad without a dime of government assistance,
00:05:38.000 and it was a stronger, more powerful, and it was a stronger, more powerful, profitable railroad than any of those built with government assistance.
00:05:45.000 But that's just an example of where you can look to these existing textbooks and they don't just massage the truth, often they just kind of destroy the truth.
00:05:56.000 But you're absolutely right that teaching and writing modern history is incredibly difficult.
00:06:03.000 Our challenge in writing the early parts of American history, Mike Allen and I, our challenge was to find enough sources or the right sources.
00:06:13.000 The challenge for writing history in the last ten years is you're deluged with sources.
00:06:18.000 You just have so many sources.
00:06:20.000 You can look here, there, the information is out there in galaxy-level amounts.
00:06:26.000 So that becomes the most difficult problem, and you have to apply the law of significance.
00:06:33.000 How many people does this affect over how much time?
00:06:36.000 That's what makes it significant.
00:06:39.000 When you, walk me back, let's go back to the, because the Patriots history, and when I was in Danbury, I was teaching civics.
00:06:48.000 And, you know, they have a library there.
00:06:50.000 It's actually a pretty good library.
00:06:51.000 Most of the books are, in fact, all of the books are by prisoners or prisoners' families.
00:06:56.000 But they've got, it's a pretty, you know, it's a, I'm a voracious reader, and it's a really great, a really great library.
00:07:02.000 So when I was tapped to be a lecturer there or a teacher of civics, one of the first things I did is go to the library, and they didn't have a copy of the Patriots history.
00:07:14.000 So I think I ordered three. I kept one for myself, and I put two into the library right away, which people just devoured.
00:07:21.000 But I needed, I needed that, I needed the book, because you give such good overviews.
00:07:26.000 So as I was getting into details about the Constitution, the Declaration, and the structure of the government, and these things that most of the prisoners had never really been taught or never had access to, because they were quick learners.
00:07:37.000 And I will tell you, Larry, they were absolutely fascinated by it.
00:07:40.000 I could tell right then that the education system in this country has failed so much because most of the prisoners and most of the prisoners that took my course were African-American or Hispanic.
00:07:51.000 And they had a real thirst. They had a thirst. They want to understand the system.
00:07:56.000 So as you and Alan, and I started thinking about the book a lot, because I've read Patriot's History a couple of times when it first came out, and then another time before I got into the Trump campaign, I was just happened to, you know, getting caught up to speed.
00:08:12.120 I think it was in the summer of 15, 16, 15, I think. And then during, and when I was in prison, what was it that you and Mike Allen, as you sat there, I think you were at the University of Dayton at the time, correct?
00:08:23.320 Yes. And was Mike at Dayton also? He was a professor. Where was he? Where did he teach?
00:08:31.800 Mike was at the University of Washington, Tacoma. We met around 1990 at a Western Historical Convention, then didn't meet again in person until after the book had been out for almost a year.
00:08:45.700 We wrote the whole book by phone and by email at that time. So that in itself made it kind of interesting.
00:08:59.480 And by the way, the book is, correct me if I'm wrong, if it's not the best-selling history book we've ever had, it's one of the top two or three best-selling histories that have ever sold in the United States?
00:09:10.780 Well, of course, Zen's book, People's History, is probably the best-seller of trade books only because so many college classes picked up Zen's book.
00:09:24.420 However, I did learn that our book, Zen said this, that our book outsold his in his first 10 years versus our first 10 years, which is kind of interesting.
00:09:34.080 Now, once he got picked up by all of the college faculty, he began to take a lead over us.
00:09:40.640 But Patriot's History of the United States does very, very well for a 1,000-page comprehensive textbook.
00:09:48.080 As you and Alan looked at the way American history was taught at the college level, what are the two or three things in your book that are different than most things?
00:10:01.420 In other words, as you guys went back and said, look, we've got to go do it ourselves and got to do all the research and write it because these couple of things are fundamentally wrong and lead students, particularly in those formative years, down the wrong path.
00:10:14.640 What were they?
00:10:15.940 Okay, I'll give you three big ones.
00:10:17.780 First one, as we say in our introduction, we don't believe in my country right or wrong, but we do believe that my country is not always wrong.
00:10:28.040 As almost all these other textbooks did, they dwelled on America's faults and minimized all of America's successes.
00:10:35.980 Number two, we introduced the four pillars of American exceptionalism.
00:10:40.660 So when you go to teach government or civics, for example, the first two are really relevant.
00:10:45.740 And that is this nation was built on a Christian, mostly Protestant religious tradition that emphasized individual church congregations or congregationalism.
00:10:57.880 And the reason that's important is it gave America a bottom-up religious structure that emphasized and worked hand in glove with the second pillar, which is common law, which came over from England, which is a bottom-up political structure.
00:11:15.840 So we had a great deal of practice in resisting government.
00:11:23.600 I mean, everything from guys burning down the governor's mansions and whatnot to calling out their own militias.
00:11:29.600 You would never have seen that in Australia or Canada.
00:11:33.580 And then the third real thing that we do in the book is that we look at everything.
00:11:42.200 We look at America's faults and failures, but we also look at all of America's successes.
00:11:47.700 And there's a great deal of political, military, and economic history in Patriots history because my degree was in banking and financial history.
00:11:58.560 So I think you'll get a lot of economic analysis that is not in other books, particularly good economic analysis, I'd like to think.
00:12:09.100 No, I want to make sure I emphasize that.
00:12:14.080 When you read, it is a comprehensive history.
00:12:17.660 It reads as a narrative story, and you've got all the personalities and percentages.
00:12:21.580 But most times when you read a history book, you can tell the professor is a political scientist or he's a professor of political history.
00:12:30.240 So you get the politics with it so deeply.
00:12:33.580 But as I can tell you, and I think Trump's the perfect example of that, unless you understand the economics and the underlying economic milieu and the forces, particularly the forces driving the economics and where it's taking you, it's very hard to understand the real meaning of politics besides just counting up who, what party was running and what were their issues and what was the outcomes.
00:12:55.600 That's one of the reasons I love it.
00:12:58.900 We've got about a minute here, and of course you're going to be with us the rest of the time.
00:13:02.380 But in thinking through the book on the 21st century, how did you use – what framework did you use for this?
00:13:08.860 Well, as I said, I thought that there was a great deal of irony in so many of the accepted memes that we were seeing at the time, the accepted themes, that Obama was the transformative president of the early 21st century.
00:13:26.560 Bush committed us to a war.
00:13:28.580 I'm convinced that if he had gone into Iraq, looked for WMDs after six or eight months, going, nope, not there, and just left, that in fact he probably would have ended up a much more popular president than he was.
00:13:43.640 And then, of course, you have this final third of the period, kind of the last eight years, where you had this struggle between the Trump populist forces and the forces of the elite, something that I think historian Richard Hofstadter would have loved, except he would have looked at it the wrong way.
00:14:02.640 The elites now are all entirely on the side of – not entirely, but mostly on the side of the Democrat Party, and the other groups, as we saw in the last election, are starting to move over onto the side of the MAGA movement and the populist movement.
00:14:19.480 Larry, hang on for a second.
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00:22:30.020 Larry, you know, you've got Toynbee and you have Hegel.
00:22:33.960 You have all these historians that have these grand theories of even Thucydides, right?
00:22:40.840 The Thucydides trap, the rising power and the declining power.
00:22:44.880 You know, Arnold Toynbee, Hegel, Carlisle, all of this.
00:22:50.000 Do you have a theory?
00:22:53.460 People know I'm a big believer in the turnings.
00:22:55.860 You know, we had the revolution and then every 80 to 100 years you had the Civil War, then
00:22:59.660 the Great Depression and World War II.
00:23:01.820 And now, how do we call it?
00:23:04.180 The age of Trump.
00:23:06.460 Do you have any?
00:23:07.720 Because I've read your books and I can't discern if you think there's a grand theory of history
00:23:15.900 or if you're simply the historian that's sitting there going, I want to get the story right
00:23:20.720 so you have the facts in front of you and you can think through great thoughts on your own theory.
00:23:25.640 Sir?
00:23:26.820 Well, I believe history resembles itself but doesn't repeat itself.
00:23:31.260 But I also believe the United States is special, that America was created, particularly in Plymouth
00:23:38.100 with the Mayflower Group, that it was a covenant with God.
00:23:43.420 And I believe America has a special type of dispensation.
00:23:46.560 I know that's going to drive a whole bunch of people crazy and start pulling hair and so forth.
00:23:50.780 But I don't think that American history is typical of that of many other empires or nations.
00:23:59.560 That's why I really don't pay a whole lot of attention to people who say, well, we're like the Roman Empire.
00:24:04.120 Well, but the Roman Empire was not started by God.
00:24:06.940 God essentially set up a covenant with the United States.
00:24:10.740 And I don't believe that he has allowed that covenant to lapse.
00:24:14.620 Now, in light of that, yeah, I think you have to tell the story that's in front of you.
00:24:19.120 And when it's painful, you need to tell that too.
00:24:23.000 In my biography of President Reagan, I didn't hesitate to talk about his role, that he led
00:24:30.740 the charge in that Immigration Act, Simpson-Mazzoli, that was so horrendous.
00:24:37.120 It wasn't imposed on him from outside.
00:24:39.800 He wasn't tricked into it.
00:24:41.440 He started it in 1981 when he came into office.
00:24:45.040 So I think you have to admit that there are these, you know, black spots or weak moments
00:24:51.720 in various administrations and in various people.
00:24:54.400 That doesn't take away from their greatness.
00:24:56.820 But hang on a second.
00:24:59.220 I don't want to bury the lead here.
00:25:01.240 Go back to the—you believe that the United States was founded in a compact between its
00:25:07.960 beginning citizens and God that was actually a covenant?
00:25:10.860 Yes, yes.
00:25:12.820 The Mayflower Compact was not just a covenant with each other, but a covenant with God,
00:25:17.180 saying that we understand why we're here, you know.
00:25:20.600 And Jonathan Edwards—or, I'm sorry, John Winthrop comes over and says, we're a city set on
00:25:26.780 a hill.
00:25:27.380 We are here to be different, to look different.
00:25:31.680 And, you know, when we get up to the Constitution—
00:25:35.140 Hang on, because I want to explore that—hang on, I want to explore this because I think
00:25:39.280 it's very—a very fitting way for us to end the year in the next couple of segments.
00:25:43.740 The Mayflower, they were a group of dissenters or outsiders.
00:25:48.400 I mean, in even among—I don't know how to say this—like the Puritans or the people
00:25:54.260 that were anti the Church of England, weren't they considered even too radical for them?
00:25:59.400 And then they go to Holland and they're too radical there.
00:26:01.940 These people have a tough time fitting in, and they don't have a problem with that.
00:26:06.240 No.
00:26:06.560 They know they're going to have a tough time fitting in because they believe their lives
00:26:09.540 are dedicated to God, and you don't need priests to do that.
00:26:15.340 Their lives are dedicated to God.
00:26:17.020 When they finally get here, they have—they've missed their mark.
00:26:22.100 They're supposed to arrive in Virginia, and they arrive—and the story is amazing.
00:26:26.440 They arrive on the barren, rocky coast of Massachusetts, which is being a native Virginian
00:26:33.980 and having gone to Harvard, I tell you, the temperature is quite different, very different
00:26:38.100 living style.
00:26:39.040 They get there, they almost starve, but they make this compact, and they decide to do it.
00:26:45.320 They decide to do it right before they kind of go—they've gone ashore to explore, but before
00:26:50.620 they actually go ashore to actually do the settlement, because they've got a lot of people
00:26:54.820 on board who are not dissenters or are not part of their religious group.
00:26:58.620 They've got, you know, some people just on for the ride.
00:27:01.800 They're going to start.
00:27:02.760 In fact, I think the majority of the people were there—were not part of their group.
00:27:06.800 I got a minute here, and then I'm going to continue on the next segment.
00:27:09.800 Is that basically the framework of the story when they sit down and say, hey, we have to
00:27:13.140 have some governing document that sets this up?
00:27:18.040 Exactly.
00:27:18.600 The Mayflower Compact set up three major things.
00:27:21.200 First of all, it said, we're loyal to the king.
00:27:23.700 We're not being disloyal.
00:27:24.920 We got blown off course.
00:27:26.540 We didn't mean to violate your will here.
00:27:29.120 The second thing was the people we call strangers who are not Puritans.
00:27:34.700 They are equal to us in all political rights, and therefore, they are going to have an equal
00:27:39.360 part in the polity of the country.
00:27:42.600 And then the third thing was they needed to elect a leader.
00:27:46.460 And that in itself was remarkable that they elected their leader.
00:27:50.780 There's that common law bottom-up impetus right there off the bat that they believe that
00:27:57.140 they and not the company in England were to select their own leader.
00:28:00.960 Larry Schweikert, I would say, in my mind, particularly for the MAGA movement and for the populist
00:28:10.500 nationalists, our greatest living historian and a fascinating guy and a guy who understands
00:28:15.900 the nuts and bolts and the mechanics of modern, how do I call it that, grassroots politics.
00:28:22.180 Short commercial break.
00:28:23.220 We'll return with Larry in a moment.
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00:29:49.440 So Larry, okay, I got it.
00:29:51.480 The strangers are equal.
00:29:52.840 Everybody's equal.
00:29:53.700 But you said something, and I know you so well, you don't throw out those kind of things
00:29:58.900 as you mean it.
00:29:59.400 You said that the United States, and your historians looked everywhere.
00:30:03.060 You said that it is a special nation because it was founded on a covenant with God Almighty.
00:30:14.000 Yeah.
00:30:14.060 How does that, hey, the guys who are not part of our religious group are going to be equal
00:30:19.360 to us politically, right?
00:30:21.080 Right.
00:30:21.220 We're going to learn how to do, you know, so these seem pretty, pretty basic.
00:30:27.100 Why is that, why is that made for a compact to you the foundational element of a covenant
00:30:32.900 with God himself?
00:30:33.920 Well, because I think the first thing that was on the Puritan's mind, all pilgrims are Puritans,
00:30:42.860 the first thing that was on their mind was, what's my relationship to God?
00:30:47.400 And so that infused every single thing they did, all of their laws, how all things were done.
00:30:53.740 You know, for a while in Massachusetts, they had sumptuary laws, which said we don't want
00:30:58.680 people flaunting their wealth, because even if you're wealthy, it's just not ethically
00:31:03.960 right to kind of rub it in other people's faces.
00:31:06.960 So they would go about their lives doing that, and it affected everything all the way through
00:31:13.600 our history.
00:31:15.400 For example, I'm sure you've heard this many times, the famous John Adams quotation that
00:31:20.520 says that our system of government is meant for a holy religious people and won't work with
00:31:27.260 anybody else, except that's not true.
00:31:30.900 The Constitution, in fact, was a document designed specifically for unholy and sinful people with
00:31:38.060 every single check and balance and limitation you could possibly put on it, because the founders
00:31:44.180 didn't trust people.
00:31:46.060 It's quite the opposite of a government built for a holy people, where you could trust everybody
00:31:51.280 to do the right thing.
00:31:52.920 And you get up into the Civil War era, for example, and you see people like
00:31:57.180 Lewis Tappan, a devout Christian who's also a leader in the abolitionist movement, because
00:32:03.140 he believes that all men are and ought to be free, as Lincoln would say.
00:32:07.620 So I think it infuses our entire culture for almost the first 200 years.
00:32:13.320 Is it today, as you've seen it, with, you know, we've had masks, one of the things we fight
00:32:20.380 for here every day is a moratorium on immigration, at least a 10-year moratorium.
00:32:25.380 I'm talking about legal immigration.
00:32:26.940 You've got to be zero, illegal.
00:32:28.280 We want to take legal down for 10 years.
00:32:30.160 Given that we've had, since Reagan, really predating it, since Kennedy's bill, the immigration
00:32:38.480 bill in 1964, which was catastrophic for this country, it had a bigger impact in the
00:32:43.860 civil rights legislation and the voting rights, which everybody focuses on from that time,
00:32:47.400 but this much more fundamentally changed the country, then exacerbated by President Reagan.
00:32:53.800 And really, the advisors around President Reagan, I don't totally disagree with you, but he was
00:32:58.680 fed a lot of bad information at the time.
00:33:04.760 Given that, or is the mass immigration, has it been, has it so changed the construct of the
00:33:11.060 country?
00:33:11.460 And I'm not just talking about race, but I'm talking about the understanding of the underpinnings
00:33:15.640 of the spiritual side of the Judeo-Christian West, that we can't possibly be still in a
00:33:23.920 covenant, was it an age of the covenant, sir?
00:33:28.420 Yeah, it has definitely changed that, certainly, especially as you get people from non-Christian
00:33:34.820 faiths, Muslims, a lot of Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and so on and so forth.
00:33:39.460 Um, it's still lurking out there, and depending on who you read and what evidence you accept,
00:33:45.980 there may or may not be a revival going on out there now.
00:33:50.660 Ryan Berg, who's one of the best statisticians in following American religion right now,
00:33:56.300 suggests there's a small revival growing.
00:33:59.520 One of the things Mike Allen and I did in Patriots History was we're the only book out
00:34:04.900 there to deal with the Azusa Street revival in the early 1900s, to mention Billy Graham
00:34:10.520 and Oral Roberts.
00:34:12.200 I dare you to find Oral Roberts in any other book on American history.
00:34:17.240 But what has also changed, Steve, is not just the immigration, but it has been the speed,
00:34:24.280 I keep coming back to this, the speed with which our modern society moves.
00:34:28.560 And Gene Twenge, who does a lot of research on generations, finds a massive generational gap
00:34:35.300 starting right after the introduction of the iPhone, and just stratospheric increases in
00:34:41.700 loneliness, in ideation of self-harm, in suicide, all that kind of stuff.
00:34:47.520 So we have seen a shocking shift in the communication structure and the entire culture of communications
00:34:55.900 since really the year 2000.
00:34:59.080 And really, only Donald Trump has figured out how to navigate those waters.
00:35:04.020 That's why I keep saying he's so far ahead of all of these other guys, they don't even
00:35:09.380 know what lake they are playing in, let alone trying to swim in it.
00:35:15.560 Are you concerned, particularly when we talk about technology and technological change accelerating
00:35:22.000 at an accelerating rate, are you concerned, like we are here at the war, and we're
00:35:25.800 pretty open about this concept called the singularity, not just about artificial intelligence,
00:35:29.820 but the kind of the convergence of advanced chip design and quantum computing and CRISPR
00:35:36.260 biotechnology, regenerative robotics, and artificial general intelligence, super intelligence, the
00:35:41.940 conversion of that in this concept we call the singularity, which on this side of that point
00:35:46.920 is Homo sapiens, and on the other side of that point is Homo sapiens 2.0.
00:35:52.920 Are you as concerned about that?
00:35:55.040 And do you think that changes the entire, is that a line we're crossed that everything
00:36:00.580 beforehand, Larry Schreiber would say, this is human history or Homo sapiens history, everything
00:36:06.020 post that is Homo sapiens 2.0 history?
00:36:09.400 Like Borg history?
00:36:11.800 You know, I joke that there are three ways the AI thing can play out.
00:36:15.940 One is Skynet.
00:36:17.740 The computers can get so smart that they just nuke us.
00:36:20.580 Number two is Matrix.
00:36:22.340 We could already be in it, and you and I are just having a conversation that's meaningless
00:36:26.260 because the machine's already controlling us.
00:36:28.740 And then the third option that I don't see discussed very often is that the computers
00:36:33.080 get so smart they realize they aren't God.
00:36:35.840 And at that point, they begin to self-limit and self, not destruct, but I don't know,
00:36:40.740 self-regulate to the point that they begin to understand that they are only servants of
00:36:46.300 humans and not the master.
00:36:48.160 Who knows where all this goes?
00:36:49.620 One thing is sure, AI is here in various forms.
00:36:53.840 It's accelerating at light speed.
00:36:57.340 Norway just changed its entire energy structure in order to accommodate Bill Gates, a $6 billion
00:37:06.140 AI plant that's going to be built in Norway.
00:37:09.940 And I think Trump gets AI.
00:37:12.240 I think he's left everybody else in the dirt with understanding that AI is here, that the
00:37:17.900 U.S. has to control it, and that we have to be dominant in AI, not allow the chi-coms
00:37:24.000 to dominate us with AI.
00:37:27.000 And then what isn't being talked about, Steve, and you can probably lead the way on this because
00:37:32.320 you know so many more people.
00:37:33.660 We have drastic energy needs that are going to come with AI.
00:37:38.320 Hence, you see yesterday, truth merged with fusion.
00:37:42.840 I forget what day that was, a few days ago.
00:37:45.080 Truth merged with fusion.
00:37:46.920 So you've got the first real investment in major fusion technology that may go somewhere because
00:37:53.880 it's not relying on radioactive stuff, but boron.
00:37:57.440 And then the other big, big issue that no one is talking about is water.
00:38:02.240 You're going to have to have water to power all these massive data centers.
00:38:06.960 A couple of states are already starting to look at, well, you're going to have to be
00:38:11.280 able to dig your own wells or whatnot before you can put in a data center.
00:38:15.320 Who knows where that goes?
00:38:17.180 But these are the issues that are now confronting the next quarter century here, and AI is right
00:38:23.840 at the top, ethically, morally, and economically.
00:38:28.500 Do you think that we don't have enough control of technology, that technological change?
00:38:36.620 I mean, you just mentioned about the historian that's going back or the researcher has done
00:38:40.400 all this data and sees a clear line of demarcation, because I've read his stuff.
00:38:44.740 It's amazing.
00:38:45.320 The clear line of demarcation in our recent past is really the promulgation of the iPhone.
00:38:51.440 And you see all these problems, particularly with that young generation that had it.
00:38:56.080 It's one of the reasons we're fighting for AI regulation so hard about how these companies
00:39:01.560 and how the technology is going to interface with children.
00:39:03.800 But do you believe as a historian that as you see this, that you're having a very tough
00:39:09.780 time with institutions and structures that were really built for something closer to the
00:39:15.400 writing of the Constitution than it is for the Homo sapien 2.0, having an institutional problem
00:39:24.060 coming to grips with this?
00:39:25.980 Yeah, you're absolutely right.
00:39:27.840 And I'll just go back to what I was saying earlier about Congress.
00:39:31.160 Congress is on the verge of being structurally irrelevant.
00:39:36.140 They're getting to the point where they cannot remotely move fast enough to deal with today's
00:39:43.620 problems.
00:39:44.220 And that's why Trump has issued so many executive orders.
00:39:48.140 And it's only going to continue because they can't even begin to get a hold with legislating
00:39:54.200 what he's already put in place through executive orders.
00:39:56.720 Now, the one concern that many people raise is, well, what happens if we get a Democrat
00:40:01.920 president, which I'm skeptical that's going to happen?
00:40:05.300 I think this—hang on.
00:40:07.360 I think maybe the current Democrat Party is going extinct the way the Federalists and
00:40:12.220 the Whigs were going extinct.
00:40:13.940 People say, oh, that can't happen.
00:40:15.480 But they don't understand.
00:40:16.740 They're looking at it from the perspective it hasn't happened in their lifetime.
00:40:19.880 But we have seen the Dixiecrats go extinct.
00:40:23.100 We saw the Progressive Party of TR go extinct.
00:40:26.800 And the Democrats, as they are now structured, are in deep doo-doo, very serious straits, because
00:40:33.740 they are on the wrong side of all of these issues, but particularly AI, because they cannot
00:40:40.080 come to grips with the additional power needs of AI, which they oppose, because they're green,
00:40:44.640 and the water needs of AI, which they oppose, because they don't want to have private companies
00:40:50.480 setting up desalinization plants.
00:40:52.760 So it's a big problem for the current Democrat Party, and it's a big problem for Congress,
00:40:58.920 because I don't think the structures in Congress exist—and I'm including the Senate—exist
00:41:05.620 to even remotely keep up with what Trump is doing, let alone to fashion policy on their
00:41:11.760 own.
00:41:12.040 Isn't that going to fall into the trap of the progressives that tell us the Constitution
00:41:17.860 is a living document, and really, you know, the originalists and I guess the constructionists
00:41:24.200 that say, no, it's the document means what the founders said it was?
00:41:29.740 Can't you fall into that heresy, where you try to change things because the modern age?
00:41:36.580 Yeah, it is a problem.
00:41:37.980 And as I would tell any congressman or senator listening, the way to fix it is get off your
00:41:43.360 ass and do your job.
00:41:44.960 Start passing legislation so that Trump doesn't have to issue an executive order, so that everything
00:41:53.820 doesn't come from him.
00:41:55.720 Put his ideas into law and make yourselves relevant again.
00:42:00.560 But it's going to be extremely difficult because, as I said, you just look at Congress now and
00:42:06.680 look at all the people that are resigning.
00:42:08.440 I'm convinced they're resigning because they know they're irrelevant.
00:42:13.500 Wow.
00:42:14.460 Short commercial break.
00:42:15.600 We're going to wrap up here on a Saturday with one of my favorite historians, Larry Swiker,
00:42:19.860 next in the world.
00:42:21.820 Spread the word all through Hong Kong.
00:42:24.360 We will fight till they're all gone.
00:42:26.900 We rejoice when there's no more.
00:42:28.780 Let's take down the CC.
00:42:30.740 War Room.
00:42:31.880 Here's your host, Stephen K.
00:42:33.920 Bannon.
00:42:37.620 So, Larry Swiker is our guest.
00:42:39.800 Larry, just let's go through the books you've got coming out.
00:42:42.620 I want to cover some of them for pre-order.
00:42:45.520 Where your site is, how people get more information about you.
00:42:50.060 Obviously, you're a big hit with this audience, and we want to make sure we're trying to give
00:42:53.360 people access to some of the best writers and thinkers of our time, particularly people
00:42:57.780 that are aligned with MAGA, sir.
00:43:01.200 Well, first of all, again, if you want the free chapters, the updated chapters for Patriot's
00:43:06.900 History of the United States, email me at Larry at wildworldofhistory.com, and we will
00:43:12.540 send you PDFs of the new chapter 23 and chapter 24.
00:43:16.060 Second, I have an incredible number of videos on all sorts of historical topics, from Napoleon
00:43:22.300 to the Battle of Malta to the Crusades to Prohibition on my Wild World of History website and my
00:43:30.640 VIP subscription.
00:43:32.020 You can get up to 60 hours of historical videos there.
00:43:36.240 Wild World of Politics.
00:43:37.320 If you're more interested in politics than homeschooling and history, go over to the Wild
00:43:41.600 World of Politics.
00:43:43.000 I have a Today's News I put out three days a week out of the Wild World of Politics, and
00:43:48.700 a commentary I usually put out three days a week.
00:43:52.040 The newest book will be America in the 21st Century.
00:43:55.120 It comes out in February, and it's already doing nice in pre-orders.
00:44:01.260 But then I was talking with the same publisher about getting a book out for the 250th anniversary
00:44:06.480 of the United States, and we will have a book out around Father's Day.
00:44:11.860 I don't have a cover for you yet, called American Biography.
00:44:15.680 A look at America's history through the lives of between 97 and 100 prominent Americans who
00:44:23.280 are linked to each other like six degrees of separation.
00:44:26.380 It's really quite amazing writing this, and that'll be available in June.
00:44:30.920 So I'm touring next year through all sorts of homeschool conventions, making speeches around
00:44:36.740 the country.
00:44:37.320 Check my website, Wild World of History, and you can get the full schedule there.
00:44:41.540 I want to go to the homeschool, because now it's shown that the SATs are higher, and I
00:44:47.520 know a number of people have gone from, or the kids were never even in public schools,
00:44:52.540 but they were in private schools, then they went to kind of classical Christian.
00:44:55.880 That wasn't good enough, and they went to homeschooling, and they're really happy, and
00:44:59.640 only happy in the homeschool situation.
00:45:01.660 And part of the reason they've got access to great teaching materials from people like
00:45:05.360 yourselves.
00:45:05.700 Why is it that the homeschool community has kind of embraced you in your teaching of American
00:45:11.520 history?
00:45:13.060 Well, first of all, I think, as I said from the outset, we aren't anti-American, and we
00:45:17.860 certainly aren't anti-God.
00:45:19.940 Patriot's history of the United States doesn't have a denominational perspective, but it does
00:45:24.580 have a Christian perspective.
00:45:26.720 And somebody reading that might not get it as well if you're not a Christian as those who
00:45:32.760 are Christians.
00:45:34.560 The homeschool movement was where we really started before Glenn Beck picked us up, and it's
00:45:40.140 just grown.
00:45:40.820 I think we're the number one homeschool curriculum in history out there.
00:45:44.400 I could be wrong, but I think we are.
00:45:46.980 So it's become a giant market.
00:45:50.800 It's almost quadrupled in the last three or four years.
00:45:54.500 Some estimates say there's 20 million homeschoolers out there right now.
00:45:58.540 And that, of course, was exacerbated or exploded by the COVID disaster with all the lockdowns.
00:46:06.660 People saw what was happening in their public schools when they looked at their kids' computers
00:46:12.060 and saw what they were getting.
00:46:13.700 And that drove a lot of people out of public schools and into private schools and homeschooling.
00:46:20.680 One more time, where do people go to your site to find everything about you, Larry?
00:46:23.900 Larry, www.wildworldofhistory.com, or for the political side of you, wildworldofpolitics.com.
00:46:33.520 Either one will get you to me.
00:46:37.180 Larry Swyker, thank you so much for spending the last Saturday show of the year of 2025 in
00:46:42.120 the War Room with us.
00:46:43.000 Appreciate you, brother.
00:46:44.340 Thanks, Steve.
00:46:44.840 Thank you.
00:46:47.900 We're going to end our last Saturday show of the year with one of our favorite songs here
00:46:51.480 on the War Room, Get Thee Behind Me Satan from Billy Joe Shaver.
00:46:55.540 Let's let it rip.
00:46:56.980 We'll see you back here live on Monday morning.
00:46:58.580 I'm out of the man dead in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
00:47:06.020 I looked into the mirror and I couldn't see myself.
00:47:11.900 The demons that were in me had turned me wrong side how.
00:47:18.700 I knew inside my soul I was headed straight for hell.
00:47:24.320 But I couldn't for my life figure how to help myself.
00:47:30.700 And I said, get deep behind this sin.
00:47:34.220 For I commanded in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
00:47:43.340 The year did deep behind me sin.
00:47:47.200 For I commanded in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
00:47:53.760 The moon and stars were hidden by the shroud that clouded round.
00:48:01.680 I could see my loved ones weeping as they lured me in the ground.
00:48:08.100 No words were spoken over me.
00:48:11.400 I almost thought I'd die.
00:48:14.060 Then I knew I wasn't dead.
00:48:16.740 Then I had been buried alive.
00:48:19.820 And I said, get deep behind me sin.
00:48:24.240 For I commanded in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
00:48:32.660 The year did deep behind me sin.
00:48:35.860 For I commanded in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
00:48:44.360 I couldn't see my hand in front of my face.
00:48:50.840 I knew that I was buried in the deepest, darkest place.
00:48:57.360 The deeds I had done put me in this awful place.
00:49:03.020 Then I felt a stir inside me.
00:49:06.540 And a smile came across my face.
00:49:09.280 And I said, get deep behind me sin.
00:49:13.500 For I commanded in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
00:49:22.040 The year did deep behind me sin.
00:49:26.020 For I commanded in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
00:49:33.020 Yeah, I said, get deep behind me sin.
00:49:37.640 For I commanded in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
00:49:46.580 Oh, get deep behind me sin.
00:49:50.400 For I commanded in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
00:49:58.540 Amen, amen, amen, amen, brother.
00:50:00.440 Amen, amen, amen, amen, amen, amen.
00:50:15.820 Amen, amen, amen, amen, amen.
00:50:16.940 Amen, amen, amen, amen.
00:50:21.380 Amen, amen, amen.
00:50:25.120 Thank you.