Bannon's War Room - Episode 5051： What Comes Next For Venezuela; Remembering J6 Five Years Later

00:00:00.000 Moments ago, sources just confirmed to CNN that the United States has seized an oil tanker

00:00:08.260 that had been linked to Venezuela. Now, Russia is responding to this seizure, saying they are

00:00:15.180 the owners of this vessel. The Trump administration has not acknowledged the Russian status claiming

00:00:20.680 the ship to be stateless, but nevertheless, you can see the sensitive nature of the situation.

00:00:24.640 Russia had sent ships to track and maybe even protect this vessel over the last 24 hours.

00:00:31.660 The United States has been tracking it across the Atlantic. It's the same ship that the Coast

00:00:35.340 Guard had tried to seize last month near Venezuela. They were unable to board it,

00:00:40.000 and the ship changed course and fled. But now, the breaking news, the United States has seized it.

00:00:45.760 Tracking this ship as it came into the northern Atlantic, it's been heading, sort of skirting

00:00:51.020 wide of Ireland, heading up towards Iceland and that sort of gap to go towards the north of Russia,

00:00:57.840 the Arctic Circle. Marine tracking experts believe a vessel of this size was likely headed towards

00:01:04.540 Moments. That was the track that it was on. But that all came to a sudden screeching halt about

00:01:10.620 two and a half hours ago. Marine trackers noticing that the ship turned direction at that moment. And

00:01:17.200 this really comports with the information we're getting now that the ship has been seized by U.S.

00:01:22.920 military and Coast Guard. It has been tracked closely by them, as we say, since it fled the coast of

00:01:28.980 Venezuela about two weeks ago. What makes this even more interesting, if you will, the ship, when it

00:01:35.580 started its journey two weeks ago, was called the Bella One. Halfway along that route, it changed its name

00:01:42.140 to the marinara and reflagged itself as Russian. Not clear why. Were they trying to get protection

00:01:48.460 from Russia? Was it always Russian? Unclear. The port that it appeared to be headed for in the past

00:01:54.120 couple of days does appear to have been a Russian port. But now that ship has turned around, no longer

00:01:59.860 heading north for the last couple of hours, heading south. Not clear where it will end up. It is believed to be

00:02:05.940 empty or at least devoid of oil. We don't know what else or who else may be on board of it, but certainly

00:02:12.240 enough for Russia to deploy military assets to try to give it some shadow of some kind of protection and

00:02:20.360 clearly not enough to deter the U.S. Coast Guard and the U.S. military assets that seized it a few hours ago, John.

00:02:30.720 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:02:35.940 Pray for our enemies, because we're going to medieval on these people.

00:02:41.060 Here's the time I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it.

00:02:47.220 I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to

00:02:50.860 stop it. It's going to happen.

00:02:52.600 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:02:56.000 Mega media.

00:02:57.360 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:03:02.020 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:03:06.540 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:03:12.880 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K.

00:03:15.820 Bannon.

00:03:16.180 It's Wednesday, 7th, January, Year of Alert, 2026. Let's get right into it, because we're pretty packed in this hour.

00:03:28.000 We have Sam Faddis, a career operative with the Central Intelligence Agency, and now one of the grassroots leaders of the MAGA movement, and Captain Jim Fennell, a career naval intelligence officer.

00:03:38.580 Sam, what has actually happened? Can you just walk us through the mechanics of this, that we've seized a vessel on the high seas?

00:03:46.560 It looks like we've done it with a combination of special operators of the United States military and maybe even some other folks.

00:03:54.840 What went on?

00:03:55.560 So what we have is part of this dark fleet, one of these tankers that's running oil around the world to all of our adversaries that we attempted to board in the Caribbean some time back.

00:04:10.080 It didn't want to be boarded.

00:04:11.540 The narrative is we then pursued it across the Atlantic. I think that's actually a misnomer.

00:04:18.080 We just tracked it across the Atlantic until it got to a point where it was in a position that was most advantageous to us to board it, and then we put, I presume, Navy SEALs on board.

00:04:30.940 We have seized that tanker. It is now under our control, and I presume it is heading back to the United States. I've seen that it has changed course already.

00:04:41.540 It appears to be a Russian ship. I mean, it got re-flagged, but there's all kind of reports that it's a Russian vessel, and like you said, the dark fleet.

00:04:52.800 We talk about this dark fleet because this is what upsets us about around Iran and with the mullahs sending oil to the CCP. 0.95

00:05:01.520 Clearly, out of Venezuela, they're sending oil to the CCP.

00:05:05.620 President Trump redirected that last night, $2 billion of that coming to the United States of America.

00:05:10.280 What is the dark fleet? And knowing that the Russians are part of this, that we went and seized this, is this an act of war against the Russians, or where does that stand on the escalatory ladder? 0.65

00:05:22.020 Well, I think what the dark fleet is, I mean, what you have is a collection of usually relatively small tankers that switch flags all the time, switch registrations all the time,

00:05:38.080 and help all the pariah states of the world evade sanctions, not only moving oil directly to them, but in some cases, they're actually transferring oil at sea from one tanker to another.

00:05:50.720 So, and, you know, to one extent or the other, people's hands are hidden here.

00:05:58.680 So, yeah, absolutely, it could be a Russian vessel that they have been hiding behind another flag.

00:06:03.980 I think it was flagged in Guyana before it decided in the middle of the Atlantic that all of a sudden it was a Russian ship.

00:06:10.100 And what we're saying is, effectively, we're not going to let you play this game anymore.

00:06:16.140 We're not going to be bogged down in this.

00:06:18.580 We know what's going on and we're grabbing these vessels because they're violating sanctions.

00:06:22.320 Is it a provocation to the Russians without question? 0.98

00:06:24.820 Are they going to go to war with us over seizing one tanker in the United, in the middle of the Atlantic?

00:06:30.540 I don't think so.

00:06:33.200 But as you well know, Steve, in all of these actions, the next question is, okay, what will they do?

00:06:41.000 How will they react?

00:06:42.140 Presumably they will push back somewhere.

00:06:45.940 But at the heart of this, you know, is Trump saying to the Russians, to the Chinese, to the Venezuelans, we're going to cut off.

00:06:56.100 We've changed the rules of the game.

00:06:57.700 We're not just going to chase you around and try to pursue this through legal proceedings.

00:07:01.520 We're actually going to take these pieces off the board.

00:07:06.740 You've had two special – and I realize it was enforcing a DEA indictment the other day, but it was a military operation to support that.

00:07:16.860 So you've had two special operator involvements in the last, I don't know, five or six days.

00:07:22.740 Is President Trump sending a message also that he's prepared to, you know, not just go to court and, like you said, take – but actually take direct military or paramilitary action to enforce what he wants, which is when somebody's got to sanction the United States, particularly in oil, it's not going to go to the Chinese Communist Party and it's not going to go to bad actors, sir?

00:07:44.940 Yeah, without question.

00:07:46.820 And he's saying – and that's not just verbiage.

00:07:49.320 I'm prepared to put my money where my mouth is.

00:07:53.340 And so we are enforcing to one extent or the other a blockade, at least over certain cargo in regard to Venezuela now.

00:08:00.200 And there's been buzz in the press for some time that maybe various tankers are getting ready to run that blockade, basically try our hand.

00:08:10.420 So everybody who was thinking about that can look at this action and say, well, now I know exactly what's going to happen.

00:08:17.020 The SEALs are going to be on the deck and they are going to take control of my vessel and take it away and it won't be mine anymore.

00:08:25.120 That's what's going to happen.

00:08:26.080 Interesting use of a term there, Captain Fennell.

00:08:30.840 Let me bring you in.

00:08:31.620 Of course, Greenland, the Greenland-Iceland-UK gap, and Greenland comes into play here.

00:08:40.140 But what Sam Faddis just said is blockade.

00:08:42.640 This started, as you and I have talked about, for months and months and months since we've had this vast armada, as the president refers to it, off the coast of Venezuela.

00:08:50.180 I think a mini-carrier strike group plus an amphibious ready group, 12,000 to 14,000 fleet Marines, sailors, others off of Venezuela.

00:08:59.220 It started, I think, as a quarantine.

00:09:00.780 In fact, Marco Rubio said the other day, the way we're going to enforce things is we're going to quarantine and use naval forces.

00:09:07.320 The Secretary of War, I believe, for the first time today, put up a tweet and said this is a blockade.

00:09:13.080 Sam Faddis just reiterated that.

00:09:15.400 Is this now a full blockade?

00:09:17.200 And maybe you can tell the audience, quarantine versus blockade, using your naval forces to basically enforce American policy.

00:09:25.000 Where are we, Captain Fennell?

00:09:26.400 Well, Steve, I think, you know, the verbology can, you know, we're going to watch different words be thrown around.

00:09:35.580 But typically a blockade is used in terms of military operations associated with a kind of an act of war.

00:09:43.440 Whereas a quarantine is, I think, what we've been actually doing.

00:09:46.660 You know, the taking of the Bella One, the taking of the earlier tankers a few weeks ago.

00:09:55.060 Oh, by the way, Southern Command also took the motor tanker, Sofia, here in the last 24, 48 hours as well off the coast of Venezuela.

00:10:04.140 So what we're doing is we're enforcing our, it's international law as well as U.S. national law against sanctions against this dark fleet that's transporting illegally obtained oil. 0.95

00:10:18.780 And we're going to stop it.

00:10:20.220 And we're not going to, as you said, we're not going to go to a court of law to do it.

00:10:23.920 We have the capacity to do it.

00:10:25.760 I'm not even sure that special operations or SEAL teams were involved with this operation.

00:10:29.800 The U.S. Coast Guard cutter Monroe had been shadowing this vessel along with the intelligence surveillance reconnaissance from U.S. Navy P-8 aircraft.

00:10:39.940 So we do what we call visit, board, search and seizure operations routinely in the United States Navy.

00:10:46.460 And we work with our Coast Guard counterparts, law enforcement detachments to do these operations.

00:10:51.920 Now, it could be that there were SEALs on board or special operations forces.

00:10:55.300 But we have a capacity across the U.S. Navy and our Coast Guard to conduct these operations.

00:11:00.720 So we don't just have to have these tier one assets that are very highly trained and very elite and very, you know, judicious use of their time and effort, like we saw, I think, on Saturday night in the raid against Maduro.

00:11:14.820 So what I think we are saying to the rest of the world is read our national security strategy.

00:11:19.840 We said we're going to enforce hemispheric defense.

00:11:22.620 We have legal standing, both internationally and nationally, to interdict this dark fleet.

00:11:28.860 And we're going to do it.

00:11:30.000 And we're not going to play around anymore.

00:11:31.420 And I think that's, as Sam said, that's the real message.

00:11:35.040 And I also agree with him.

00:11:36.180 I don't think Russia is going to say something about a tanker that had not been flagged Russian until just a week ago.

00:11:42.680 And they said, oh, we're now Russian.

00:11:44.680 And they repainted their name and put a Russian flag on it.

00:11:47.460 No one believes that.

00:11:48.440 That's a joke.

00:11:49.360 And they're not going to go to war over that.

00:11:50.760 So we're going to enforce the rules.

00:11:53.720 And, you know, we had the rules in place before, but nobody ever enforced them.

00:11:58.100 Now we're enforcing them.

00:11:59.160 And I think that's the real key.

00:12:00.440 When Maduro was in court, when he was arraigned on Monday, he said, I am the president of Venezuela.

00:12:12.540 I was kidnapped, forcibly kidnapped by American forces.

00:12:16.720 And I'm still the president.

00:12:18.140 And this is an act of war.

00:12:19.400 Right there, the difference between quarantine, and I take the difference between a naval quarantine and a blockade, is a seismic difference.

00:12:26.500 A quarantine is one thing like we had the quarantine in Cuba in the missile crisis.

00:12:33.260 That was not a blockade.

00:12:34.580 When you blockade, to me, a blockade is when you're actually at war.

00:12:40.180 You're now blockading things.

00:12:41.320 Do you think that this has escalated in Venezuela with their other allies, that would be the Mullahs in Persia, particularly the Chinese Communist Party that are very dependent on the world, and even the Russians, that we are escalating up?

00:12:56.500 And President Trump is consciously escalating up here to let these folks know that if this has to go kinetic, it'll go kinetic.

00:13:04.980 But I'm putting down the screws as tight as I can put them right now with maybe a little room there to go kinetic.

00:13:12.200 Captain Fennell.

00:13:13.880 Right.

00:13:14.540 I agree that a blockade is traditionally associated with kinetic warfare in a war.

00:13:19.420 But you picking up and stopping a ship off of Iceland, off of the coast of Ireland, that's a little bit different than a blockading of a border.

00:13:28.240 No, no, but hang on.

00:13:28.940 But hang on.

00:13:29.500 Hang on.

00:13:29.980 Hang on.

00:13:30.400 Hang on.

00:13:30.720 Steve, hold it.

00:13:31.400 Hang on.

00:13:32.000 Full stop.

00:13:33.660 Captain Fennell, Steve Bannon, we've been very consistent here for the last month or so.

00:13:37.160 This is a quarantine.

00:13:38.280 And Rubio backed it up the other day.

00:13:39.960 He said, hey, we've got to quarantine.

00:13:41.700 We're going to use our naval forces to inform and enforce our policy.

00:13:47.220 It was the Secretary of War that put out a tweet this morning that said, hey, we're now in the blockade mode.

00:13:54.660 So when Secretary Pete Hexas says we're in blockade, over at the Pentagon, you don't use – you don't throw around terms loosely, do you, sir?

00:14:03.940 No, you don't.

00:14:04.960 And so we'll have to see what follows.

00:14:06.500 And I would say that the use of that term has already had an effect because there's already been Chinese tankers that were heading towards Venezuela that have stopped and turned around.

00:14:17.220 So I think part of this is to have the effect that we want, which is to say we're not going to allow Venezuelan oil to be stolen and expropriated out of our hemisphere and stolen from the people of Venezuela.

00:14:29.100 And remember, a lot of this oil was originally under American companies.

00:14:34.540 So it's all wrapped up in between this combined Venezuelan-U.S. national interest and that it's been raped.

00:14:43.020 The Chinese, the Russians, the Iranians have been – and the Cubans have been stealing our resources and the resources of the people of Venezuela. 0.99

00:14:51.940 Hang on for a second.

00:14:53.060 I'm going to keep you guys through the break.

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00:16:31.860 War Room.

00:16:32.880 Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.

00:16:35.280 Okay, about hemispheric defense.

00:16:39.100 Captain Fennell, the Chinese foreign ministry already came out.

00:16:43.860 Tell the audience what they said about President Trump redirected, quote-unquote, $2 billion of oil the Chinese were essentially stealing to the United States. 0.84

00:16:56.180 Is the Chinese foreign ministry, are they signing off on that?

00:16:58.540 Are they agreeing that President Trump can do what he wants to in the Western Hemisphere?

00:17:04.240 No, the Chinese foreign ministry today came out and rejected our claims about the Western Hemisphere as the United States and that we can do, you know, we can take care of our hemisphere.

00:17:15.320 And they said that this would be dividing spheres of influence and creating geopolitical confrontation that will bring, not bring peace to the world.

00:17:23.480 So they're basically saying we're starting a war by declaration of that.

00:17:27.440 But the reality is it was the Chinese that have declared that the South China Sea is their sovereign territory.

00:17:34.000 It's the Chinese in 2007 that told Admiral Keating, the commander of PACOM, that they wanted to divide up the Pacific between the East and the West, and China would take the Western side of the Pacific and we could have the Eastern side.

00:17:46.500 So the Chinese claims about we can't have influence in our hemisphere, where we're not claiming sovereignty over the Western Hemisphere.

00:17:54.660 We're just claiming that we have influence there, and we're not going to allow outside influence to come in from nations, whether they're from Europe or from the likes of China or Russia.

00:18:04.340 Wouldn't you say that President Trump actually, with the action in Venezuela and the show of force, we've never in history – we've got an armada down there.

00:18:18.600 They're the size of armadas in World War II.

00:18:20.980 I think it's much bigger than anything in the Gulf War.

00:18:23.940 I think it's much bigger than anything on the invasion of Iraq.

00:18:27.480 I mean, wouldn't you say it's co-sovereignty, sir?

00:18:30.040 Well, we're not taking ownership and saying we're occupying and we're running things like the Chinese want to do in the South China Sea. 0.92

00:18:39.040 The Chinese believe that the South China Sea is their sovereign territory, and they don't care about the Philippines, Taiwan, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei.

00:18:48.020 They're disregarding them.

00:18:49.280 We're not saying that we are disregarding the existence of Venezuela or any other Caribbean nation.

00:18:54.540 We're just saying that we're not going to allow outside influence to come in and steal resources and prop up dictators, anarcho-dictators like Maduro.

00:19:03.940 So I think that's the real difference is we're standing up actually for the smaller nations, whereas China, if you go back to 2010 at the ASEAN Summit, their foreign ministry said we're a big country and we can do whatever we want.

00:19:16.140 That's not what America is saying to the countries of Latin America.

00:19:19.400 We're not saying we're a big country and we can do whatever we want and you'll obey us.

00:19:22.780 What we're saying is we're trying to free you up so that you can have access to your own resources, you can be sovereign nations, and we will protect you from rapacious nations like China, Russia, Iran, and others in Cuba.

00:19:35.120 So that's the real difference.

00:19:36.780 We're standing up for small nations, whereas China says we will do whatever we want because you're a small nation.

00:19:42.420 They take the view of might makes right.

00:19:44.580 I don't think that's what we're standing up for right now.

00:19:46.900 Sam, you've spent your career in service to your country in kind of these gray areas, dark areas.

00:19:58.060 One thing I think has not been covered enough, the Swiss government announced within the first 24 hours, I think it was Saturday afternoon after President Trump's press conference,

00:20:08.240 that they were freezing the assets of Maduro and anybody else associated with his regime from Swiss banks.

00:20:16.640 I found that stunning because I've just seen activity where it's taken years and years and years of legal to even find out if they have assets, not even coming out and volunteering it.

00:20:26.260 How big a deal is that?

00:20:27.280 I mean, this to me shows you that the tariffs are working, but most importantly, they understand, the Swiss banks understand that President Trump's no games.

00:20:35.700 They're not playing games here.

00:20:36.780 We're going to clean this mess up.

00:20:38.260 Your thoughts on that?

00:20:40.880 I think it's a huge deal.

00:20:42.600 Maduro is in New York City.

00:20:44.800 If there's a God in heaven, he'll spend the rest of his life in prison.

00:20:48.260 Maduro being gone does not mean the regime fell.

00:20:51.440 And there are a lot of people that are at least as bad, even worse than him, still in power in Caracas, cutting off their assets, cutting off their access to money, impacting not only their capacity to stay in power, but affecting any thoughts they have of we can skip out whenever we want and go live the high life on Lake Geneva.

00:21:12.260 These are all other dimensions that have to be covered.

00:21:16.200 You know, you wake up in Caracas today, you still got really bad people calling the shots.

00:21:23.360 So we have to be addressing that.

00:21:27.880 Sam, last question.

00:21:30.280 In regarding the mullahs in Persia, you've seen the power of using naval forces smartly.

00:21:37.440 You've seen the power of quarantines to effectuate American policy and now blockades.

00:21:42.500 I have argued forever.

00:21:43.920 Let the Persians deal with the mullahs. 1.00

00:21:46.080 We don't need the Mossad.

00:21:47.480 We don't need the IDF.

00:21:49.020 We particularly don't need United States commandos, special forces, or, you know, horribly, maybe even American infantry, or more air assets.

00:21:59.460 You can do this by doing what you're doing in the Caribbean right now, in the Gulf of America, to shut down these oil shipments because you've sanctioned them.

00:22:08.260 Couldn't we do the same thing in the North Arabian Sea and outside the Straits of Hormuz to shut down the mullahs and cut off the Chinese Communist Party? 0.93

00:22:17.320 Yeah, absolutely.

00:22:18.740 There's no question we could.

00:22:19.840 I mean, look, you know this as a naval officer.

00:22:22.820 We are set up already with a basis to support that in the Fifth Fleet right there.

00:22:28.420 And God knows we should not go down the road of even thinking about putting American troops on the ground in Iran.

00:22:36.080 And we also shouldn't think that this is going to be resolved overnight.

00:22:39.400 I mean, the people are fed up and they want the regime to go.

00:22:41.640 But the regime is really good at killing and torturing and disappearing people and hanging on despite the fact that the Persians have wanted them gone for a long time. 0.91

00:22:52.820 Sam, you spent, just for the audience, before we bounce, how much of your career did you spend at the CIA and how much of your career did you spend in that particularly broader bad neighborhood, sir?

00:23:05.000 So I spent 30 years total in the IC and 20 of that was undercover with CIA.

00:23:10.020 And virtually all of that was in the Middle East and South Asia and, you know, working against, amongst other people, the Iranians for a really, really long time and running Iranian assets cross-border into Iran for a very long time.

00:23:31.380 Sam Faddis has a lot of street cred.

00:23:33.600 Sam, where do people go?

00:23:34.720 You're one of the leaders of the grassroots part of the MAGA movement.

00:23:37.420 Where do folks find you?

00:23:40.640 Best to go to Substack.

00:23:42.120 Substack andmagazine.substack.com.

00:23:46.040 A-N-D magazine.

00:23:49.060 It's fantastic.

00:23:50.080 Thank you, sir.

00:23:50.560 Appreciate you joining us today.

00:23:52.720 Thank you.

00:23:54.380 Captain Fennell, you've made the argument here for naval power and for rebuilding our fleet.

00:23:58.800 I think we're seeing the importance of that now.

00:24:00.420 My question to you, North Arabian Sea, Straits of Hormuz, we don't need the Mossad.

00:24:05.480 We don't need IDF.

00:24:06.560 We certainly don't need American troops.

00:24:08.080 We don't need American aircraft.

00:24:09.840 All of the situation of bringing the mullahs to the knees and letting the Persian people take care of it is simply to do what we're doing in Venezuela. 1.00

00:24:18.320 Cut off the oil to the Chinese Communist Party.

00:24:20.700 Can the American fleet do that, sir?

00:24:22.520 I think we can.

00:24:25.680 We have the ability to interdict like we're doing right now, whether it's a quarantine or a blockade of what's going on in and out of Venezuela.

00:24:33.340 The Chinese are turning around. 1.00

00:24:35.060 We have the ability to provide influence into the Middle East.

00:24:39.060 My great concern is that we've seen the power and the influence of maritime assets in this operation off of Venezuela in a relatively benign area or benign environment.

00:24:51.080 I'm concerned about what happens if the Chinese decide to take Taiwan right now or what happens if China decides to do something against the Philippines or, as they've been pressing recently, against Japan and the entire Ryukyu Island chain.

00:25:04.340 Are we able to operate and do the same kind of operations 9,000 miles away from CONUS?

00:25:10.720 And I'm not sure that we are.

00:25:12.320 And so I don't want us to learn just lessons for benign environments.

00:25:16.140 We need to learn lessons for highly contested environments against an adversary who's playing in their backyard as opposed to us playing in our backyard.

00:25:24.780 Jim, Jim, where I believe that it's quite analogous to the summer of 1941, and I'm a huge proponent of cut the Chinese off of all chips, all access to education in this country, cut them off. 1.00

00:25:39.040 And I'm a huge advocate of cut off the oil from Venezuela and cut off the oil from – to put them on – let's see how tough they are. 0.98

00:25:46.280 Is that going to jam them up like we jammed up the Japanese in the summer of 1941? 1.00

00:25:50.320 I think President Trump is well aware of that comparison, and that's why he said in his press conference on Sunday, and I think he reiterated on Air Force One, that he's not going to stop oil flowing to China.

00:26:04.700 But what he now has is a chip in the game, so to speak, which is to say, we need rare earth elements, China, and you need oil.

00:26:11.560 So if you're going to play with us and try to withhold rare earth elements from us, guess what we can do?

00:26:17.460 So we just gained another chip in the great game, and President Trump seems to be very adept at playing this, and so I think he's going to be sensitive to that.

00:26:25.760 And there's a way that we can do this to where we can buy time to regain our resources, regain our military strength, and to demonstrate to China that they don't want to go there.

00:26:35.700 And I think that's the real challenge right now is, do we have enough time to restore our military power, the naval power that we've gutted for 35 years?

00:26:44.700 And I think the President's well on his way to do that.

00:26:47.340 This thing about Switzerland, seizing the assets of Maduro and his cronies, that's phenomenal because it shows the power of what the tariffs did.

00:26:57.600 A year ago, you know, when the President imposed those tariffs last year, the Swiss government at the time, they kind of played games and didn't want to believe that that was happening, and Trump didn't lift them.

00:27:09.680 And they were shocked.

00:27:10.820 So now you have a new president.

00:27:12.200 They put a new president on January 1st.

00:27:14.200 They rotate among seven.

00:27:15.320 And the new president immediately made this move without any consultations, without a referendum, without a national debate, because he understood that he needs to get across to President Trump, that Switzerland is going to play ball.

00:27:28.940 And they may not like that in Switzerland.

00:27:31.100 They may say that's an infringement on their neutrality.

00:27:34.240 But the reality is the tariffs have had a great impact and are a game changer in how we deal with other nations.

00:27:41.000 And I think the president understands it.

00:27:42.860 And he's playing, he's adjusting those knobs, if you will, in a way he said, I can't even comprehend.

00:27:49.920 And it seems to be working.

00:27:53.380 5D chess.

00:27:54.200 Captain Finnell, thanks.

00:27:55.340 We'll push your writings out.

00:27:56.700 Look forward to having you back on here, sir.

00:27:59.060 Thank you.

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00:31:04.800 Cody Weddle joins us from the Daily Telegraph, one of my favorite papers, one of my early first reads every day.

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00:31:11.720 Of course, the site's up 24-7.

00:31:13.440 It's becoming a global player.

00:31:15.240 Huge footprint here in the United States.

00:31:17.940 Cody, if we put the headline up, brother, I absorb news, as people know, just for doing the war room.

00:31:24.060 One of the most shocking stories I have read, but to me it made total sense, was your story the other day where you say, and you've got sources, you and the Miami Herald have sources that say that this whole operation with Maduro was basically about a negotiated deal in Qatar,

00:31:43.200 with Qatar being an intermediary with the United States, for the vice president of Venezuela today, who's kind of running the show down there under, obviously, the direct or indirect guidance of the president of the United States,

00:31:58.560 she made a deal to serve up Maduro to save the regime.

00:32:02.780 Can you walk us through this, sir?

00:32:03.900 Yeah, so we know that back in October, these meetings started taking place.

00:32:10.200 They involved the UAE and Delce Rodriguez, who is now the acting president there in Venezuela, and as well her brother, who is highly involved in the government.

00:32:21.100 And we know there were at least two offers made, one in April and one in September, for some type of transition in the country that would not include Maduro.

00:32:33.040 And it would include, one of them was to have Delce Rodriguez as the acting president, which is what we have now.

00:32:38.620 And another one was to allow a former general who had defected from the government to return to the country and serve as the acting president.

00:32:51.100 Now, this is all reporting from, originally from the Miami Herald, but certainly relevant now that Delce Rodriguez is actually in power.

00:33:04.000 The United States clearly didn't accept that offer at the time, but quite clear that those channels remained open and that there was some type of deal to allow this sort of to all happen.

00:33:17.620 Well, hang on a second, because at the same time, Grinnell, and I know the president, in fact, Marco summed it up, I think, pretty well the other day at the press conference.

00:33:26.680 The president gave Maduro every opportunity, different proposals, listened to him, had Grinnell involved, other people involved, over and over again.

00:33:34.440 Basically, I think it was to go into exile, either Spain or probably Turkey, maybe take some money with him, but get off all charges and live happily ever after.

00:33:42.780 And he continued to blow the president off.

00:33:44.860 And eventually, with Trump knowing him personally, you're going to hit a tripwire after a while.

00:33:49.800 Now, as that was going on, you're saying that Delce, she approached, she initiated this because she's an interesting character.

00:33:58.220 Remember, her family is kind of what I call a mafia or mob family that's been around for decades.

00:34:03.780 I think it was her father was in the business of kidnapping American executives of oil companies back in like the 60s, 70s, and 80s and holding them for ransom.

00:34:13.140 So did she approach us as President Trump was working with Maduro and he kept saying no interest and just blowing us off?

00:34:20.400 Did she approach – did she understand that eventually something was going to happen?

00:34:25.000 So she approached us through intermediaries in the UAE and Qatar?

00:34:30.840 It's not clear who approached whom, but I mean there were some – there were conversations there.

00:34:37.740 And we know that Jorge Rodriguez, her brother, and she as well have been very involved in negotiations involving the U.S. going back for years.

00:34:47.860 They have been sort of the central figures of contact for Richard Grinnell, for U.S. negotiators.

00:34:55.340 Jorge Rodriguez was central in the Barbados Accords, which ahead of last year's elections,

00:35:01.500 supposedly would have allowed for free and fair elections in Venezuela, which, of course, the regime there in Caracas backed out on.

00:35:12.340 So it's not clear who approached whom, who initiated this contact, but we do know that it happened.

00:35:19.540 And it's quite clear just because these two figures within the government have the most amount of contacts with U.S. negotiators, with officials in the UAE.

00:35:35.820 It's quite clear that something there was worked out.

00:35:38.880 Do you – is – in your article, and I know you're doing additional reporting now and investigative reporting,

00:35:47.880 should the audience take away that no matter what the public decorations of the vice president down there and others,

00:35:55.580 that given the fact that somehow there was – it looks like there was maybe some sort of potential deal

00:36:02.720 with intermediaries Qatar and UAE that things should go, no matter what the public sayings are,

00:36:10.860 but things should go maybe a little more organized than other efforts that we've had in places like Iraq and Afghanistan?

00:36:19.260 It's hard to tell.

00:36:20.220 Of course, Delce Rodriguez right now, she has to give these sort of defiant statements. 1.00

00:36:25.280 She has to try to hold together that government coalition that Maloudo left behind,

00:36:30.120 and we've seen her and also his son, Maduro's son.

00:36:35.460 He has been active in supporting Delce Rodriguez, even though these reports are emerging,

00:36:41.740 that she was likely a central figure in betraying Maduro to turn over, to allow this operation to take place.

00:36:51.460 So I think she has to come out and say, we demand Maduro be returned.

00:36:57.560 That's something I think that is for the domestic audience.

00:37:01.980 She's already started to flip a little bit on that.

00:37:04.660 We saw yesterday she said she's planning to work with the United States, which was a dramatic flip within like 24 hours.

00:37:14.460 So she's already softened her stance a little bit.

00:37:17.200 We'll see if the U.S.'s ultimate goal here is actual regime change, actual transition, democratic transition.

00:37:28.860 It's clear those channels are open, but what is being exactly discussed, we're not sure.

00:37:36.180 Cody, I take it you're working this file every day.

00:37:38.900 This is your top effort is focusing on what's happening down there, sir?

00:37:43.040 Absolutely. I'm on the border right now here in the town of Cucuta, Colombia.

00:37:49.420 I was up at the edge of the border yesterday.

00:37:54.200 Everything's pretty calm here.

00:37:55.880 We could see Venezuelan troops, the National Guard just on the other side of the other side of the border.

00:38:03.580 But there are cars going back and forth.

00:38:05.640 Colombia is beefing up its security on this side of the border.

00:38:09.060 We saw armored vehicles sort of lining the street right until the entrance to the bridge that leads into Venezuela.

00:38:19.880 So, yes, I'm continuing to cover to cover the story here and currently on the on the border.

00:38:26.440 So make it make us smart.

00:38:29.280 What's the thing this audience, because one of the powers of the worm is to be ahead of the curve.

00:38:33.560 What should our audience be looking for of some of the developments you think are going to come up?

00:38:40.160 I think we have to see what Delce Rodriguez, if her rhetoric continues to evolve over the next few days. 1.00

00:38:46.400 Clearly, like I said, it evolved from one day to the next in about 24 hours.

00:38:50.960 Do we continue to see those statements from from her indicating that she's willing to work with the U.S.?

00:38:58.380 Trump has already said if she's not willing to work with the U.S., there could be a phase two of this.

00:39:04.960 So the threats there from Trump are clear.

00:39:07.940 So let's see what she says over the next few days.

00:39:11.140 And she also has challengers to her power. 0.99

00:39:15.700 I mean, I think it's quite clear the interior minister, who has been the enforcer of the government over the years, really a ruthless character.

00:39:25.480 His name is Dios del Cabello.

00:39:27.560 He certainly would like power as well.

00:39:30.880 So even within that government structure, that regime structure, he's going to have some trouble, I think, holding that together.

00:39:38.040 When Nicolás Maduro took power in 2012, 2013, there were questions about whether he could hold together this coalition of this of the regime.

00:39:51.660 He was able to do that.

00:39:53.260 Now will she be able to do it?

00:39:54.940 I think there's a lot of resentment among a lot of sectors within the government.

00:40:00.260 So that's going to be a difficult task for her.

00:40:02.560 And then she also has to deal with working with the United States, negotiating with the United States.

00:40:07.820 So she has a really difficult job.

00:40:11.340 I think there's certainly a chance we see some type of coup, internal coup there.

00:40:17.800 So I think those are the things we need to watch for in the next few days.

00:40:25.060 Cody, where do people go on social media to get your reporting?

00:40:27.640 I take it's all coming through the Daily Telegraph.

00:40:29.420 Where do people go to stay up with you because you have important and interesting insights into what's happening down there?

00:40:38.160 Sure.

00:40:38.340 I'm on X.

00:40:39.380 It's C.O.

00:40:40.800 Weddle.

00:40:41.100 There you go.

00:40:42.160 Cody Weddle.

00:40:42.900 Cody Weddle is my name.

00:40:43.700 You can find me there on X.

00:40:47.720 Look forward to keeping up with you, sir.

00:40:49.520 Thank you so much.

00:40:50.420 Great article.

00:40:51.100 Great piece.

00:40:52.500 Thank you.

00:40:53.020 Thanks.

00:40:53.780 Grace and Mo, let's put that out there.

00:40:56.060 It's important.

00:40:56.440 OK, I want to play from Matt Gaetz's show, an interview from last night.

00:40:59.600 Let's hit it.

00:41:00.500 Do you believe that FBI has been fully exposed and held accountable for any increased criminal acuity that they contributed to on that day?

00:41:10.840 So that's a great question.

00:41:12.360 Most people focus in on the FBI.

00:41:13.700 I'm of the argument that based on the legal framework of the legislative branch and the Capitol, the jurisdiction itself, there's a statute called 2 U.S.C.

00:41:22.120 1967 B sub 1 lays out the jurisdiction of the U.S.

00:41:27.160 Capitol Police.

00:41:27.760 And they have primacy over the Capitol buildings.

00:41:29.560 And then by extension, the Capitol grounds, along with MPD, for the FBI to have a role in the Fed's direction, if you will, they had to have operated under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Capitol Police.

00:41:40.440 Now, I'm not disagreeing with you that there were 274 out there.

00:41:43.320 That's what Cash Patel released out there.

00:41:46.000 But in order to get to the totality of that Fed's direction, it starts with the legislative branch.

00:41:51.720 And downstream from that, you had DHS potentially, MPD undercovers, FBI undercovers, CHSs, and then affiliates.

00:41:59.740 And so I always say that it starts with the legislative branch, which cannot be FOIA'd, which cannot be Brady requested through a judicial process because it's a co-equal branch.

00:42:09.260 And they're going to hide behind that essentially Praetorian Guard of information to disclose it.

00:42:14.780 And that's why I say the only solution to get to the FBI's role and the legislative branch's role and the U.S. Capitol Police's role and the Capitol Police Board's role,

00:42:23.160 and as well as the political leadership role of the bicameral, bipartisan leadership of the legislative branch,

00:42:28.800 is you have to look into the senior lawyer's work product to be able to expose all of it.

00:42:34.760 And that name is Tad Tobias, Thomas Aquinas Tobias.

00:42:39.180 And the only person that can compel that is currently the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson,

00:42:43.740 by ordering his House Sergeant-at-Arms, which as of January 3rd through the next year, is the chairman of the Capitol Police Board.

00:42:52.040 That is the political solution.

00:42:53.700 And I think that's the immediate easy steps that can be taken tonight, literally, or tomorrow when they come back into session to have those discussions.

00:43:03.180 So hopefully this airs and maybe gets to the right people and we can start the process of getting to the transparency part of January 6th

00:43:12.640 and then effectively, furthermore, investigating the murder of Ashley Babbitt by Michael Byrd, right, U.S. Capitol Police officer.

00:43:20.980 The one time in America's 250-year history that someone was slain inside of the Capitol without any transparent investigation for the public to see.

00:43:29.740 Okay, we're going to go to break.

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00:46:39.600 Colonel, you were there every day for me.

00:46:42.060 And this is, you know, my team so appreciate it.

00:46:44.600 We had these nutcases outside attacking, attacking, attacking. 1.00

00:46:48.620 And every day I had the Rock of Gibraltar, which is the Colonel.

00:46:52.540 Colonel, you spent all day yesterday up on the Capitol.

00:46:55.580 The President of the United States is going to see this.

00:46:57.000 We'll make sure he watches the clips every day because he's got so much going on.

00:47:01.140 But this is a top priority.

00:47:02.440 Just take a couple of minutes and walk through.

00:47:05.420 Just assume you're in the Oval Office.

00:47:07.960 Just talk to the President of the United States.

00:47:09.900 What do we need to do to get to the bottom of January 6th, sir?

00:47:15.140 Okay, so January 6th, and everything downstream from that was basically under the framework of the United States Capitol Police, the Capitol Police Board, and the legislative branch.

00:47:28.160 Meaning there's a statute called Title II U.S. Code, Chapter 29.

00:47:31.920 And in that statute, you have two really relevant sections, 2 U.S.C. 1967, Paragraph B.1, which lays out where the U.S. Capitol Police has jurisdiction to criminalize anybody.

00:47:45.780 And so every single J6-er was criminalized under that statute, and they were done so with evidence from another section, 1979B, where it is up to the Capitol Police Board to decide whether or not they're going to provide CCTV footage that's incriminating or exculpatory over to the Department of Justice.

00:48:07.380 How?

00:48:07.740 Because they have the authority to do so, and they decide based on their own political whims.

00:48:11.560 Well, who is in charge of the Capitol Police Board?

00:48:16.400 It consists of the two sergeants-at-arms that work for the Speaker of the House on the House side and the Senate Majority Leader on the Senate side, unless the Vice President, the President of the Senate, takes on that role as the Senior Constitutional Officer on the Senate side.

00:48:30.440 Now, understanding that framework that the chair of that Capitol Police Board rotates between each of the sergeants-at-arms every year on January 3rd, as of a few days ago, the chair of the Capitol Police Board is now the House Sergeant-at-Arms who works for Mike Johnson, Speaker Mike Johnson.

00:48:46.920 And the individual's name is Bill McFarland.

00:48:49.760 Now, Bill McFarland can basically be ordered by Speaker Johnson to then go ahead and have the Capitol Police Board direct the U.S. Capitol Police Chief to have the General Counsel of the Capitol Police to release all deliberative documents, text messages, communications, planning, et cetera, et cetera, of the General Counsel, as well as the Capitol Police writ large,

00:49:15.140 to disclose the planning for the actions on that day and any communications and coordination after January 6th that would include anything related to the evidence creation and collation, if you will, that was then sent over to the U.S. Attorney's Office, Matt Graves, during that period of time of total weaponization,

00:49:39.280 as well as any coordination between Tad Tobias, the General Counsel, with Jamie Raskin, who was the lead impeachment manager for impeachment hoax number two,

00:49:49.640 and furthermore, the Fed Surrection cover-up committee's staff director, David Buckley, who was one of the 51, oddly, one of the 51 spies who lied, along with John Brennan.

00:50:00.400 So when Tom Fitton says that there were CIA assets under his FOIAs on January 6th, I would suspect that the person that would know exactly who those CIA personnel were

00:50:12.020 was the former Inspector General of the CIA under John Brennan, who later became the Fed Surrection cover-up committee staff director, David Buckley.

00:50:20.760 So, to summarize, Steve, the way you get to the truth of January 6th and the Fed Surrection component of it is you have to obtain all documents and communications that are in the General Counsel's Office of the U.S. Capitol Police

00:50:35.440 because that is the deep state of the deep state within the legislative branch because he remains the senior officer, pre-J6, on-J6, post-J6, that remains in his position.

00:50:48.440 Thomas Aquinas Tobias.

00:50:50.760 And the only authority that can really get him to release it, I mean, I would recommend seizing his everything.

00:50:58.640 Put him on administrative leave and immediately, or maybe even detain him, but if that's too aggressive, seize everything that he has and start to sift through it.

00:51:08.140 And I think the best people that would need to look through it would be a coordinated effort between, say, for example, somebody like a James Blair, the deputy chief of staff at the White House,

00:51:17.240 working with Marshall Yates over at the FBI, Ed Martin at the DOJ, and then lastly, on the legislative side of things, would be Barry Loudermilk along with his staff.

00:51:27.640 That's how I would form kind of a task force to dig through that.

00:51:31.160 But keep in mind, elements within the Republican Party will try to block that from happening, specifically the current chair of the House Administration Committee,

00:51:40.180 which is the essentially replacement lackey for Paul Ryan.

00:51:44.420 So you've got to keep an eye on that member of Congress from Wisconsin's first.

00:51:50.260 Colonel, social media, where do people go to get all this?

00:51:53.180 Yeah, so I'm on X, I'm on Getter as well, and I'm on Substack, kind of detailing out some of these things, and there's a lot more detail in this.

00:52:03.540 And if you go into detail, you find the devils, and that's all I try to focus in on, is to find those devils and demons in our government.

00:52:12.460 Colonel, you're the best.

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Bannon's War Room - January 07, 2026

Episode 5051： What Comes Next For Venezuela; Remembering J6 Five Years Later

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