On today's show, we have a special guest, former Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, who is leading a Justice Department investigation into the actions of local elected officials in the state, including Mayor Jacob Frey and State Attorney General Lori Swanson, who have been accused of obstructing a federal investigation into ICE agents.
00:00:00.200Justice Department investigation, which initially focused on Minnesota Governor Tim Walz and Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey, is expanding.
00:00:06.640The New York Times reports federal prosecutors have issued subpoenas to at least five Democratic officials in Minnesota beyond Waltz and Frey.
00:00:14.160Two people familiar with the matter tell the New York Times that prosecutors are seeking documents from the Mayor of St. Paul, Khali Hare,
00:00:22.140the State Attorney General, Keith Ellison, and Mary Moriarty, the Hennepin County Attorney.
00:00:26.780We halted all refugee admissions to the United States, including from Somalia, which is a terrible, terrible place and other dangerous places.
00:00:36.540And we also stopped the pirates because they get the same treatment as the drug boats.
00:00:43.060So when Somalia, the Somalians, you know what they're good at?
00:00:45.680That's about the only thing they're good at is they're good at pirating ships at sea, big ships.
00:00:52.680So you have a huge oil tanker with millions of gallons, millions of barrels of oil.
00:01:00.560And if it gets hit by a big weapon, the whole thing blows up.
00:01:05.700And they don't want to fight because if they do, they're told by their insurance companies, do not hand over the ship.
00:01:11.700And they're not allowed to have any guns on the ship that literally you have these massive ships being taken over by a Somalian small boat with a big weapon.
00:01:23.760Because if they hit the side of the ship, the ship can blow up to I mean, you talk about a blow up bad.
00:01:29.800We've seen we've seen some bad things happen.
00:01:32.400And the insurance companies, some of these ships cost more than a billion dollars to build.
00:01:37.780And the insurance companies say, look, we'd rather give them money than take a chance on a billion dollar insurance policy.
00:01:45.640But they don't have to worry about it because we hit them the same way we hit the people with the drugs in their boat.
00:01:52.000They don't know what the hell happened.
00:01:54.020But all of a sudden, there are no pirates at sea.
00:02:42.640They're looking at whether these local officials have violated a statute that makes it a crime to conspire to obstruct federal officers in the course of their duty.
00:02:50.860But what we're talking about here is First Amendment protected activity by public officials, elected officials in the state of Minnesota and by various cities, essentially advising their citizens on how to fulfill their civil rights and how to behave if they're confronted by ICE agents.
00:03:07.920And denouncing what they see as an invasion of their community.
00:03:11.220Before we got on the air, I was watching video of a news conference by a local Minnesota police chief who said that even members of his own department, people of color entirely, he said, are being pulled over by masked ICE agents and who are demanding proof of citizenship.
00:03:27.340And only when they present their police ID are they allowed to go.
00:03:31.360This is happening every day around the country, but particularly in Minnesota, and these local officials are trying to put a stop to it.
00:03:38.100So we have an incredible clash here between the federal government, the awesome power of the Justice Department and the federal government, and local elected officials in a way that we haven't seen ever in the history of this country.
00:03:49.360I think something's going to happen that's going to be very good for everybody.
00:03:53.860Nobody's done more for NATO than I have, as I said before, in every way.
00:03:59.980Getting them to go up to 5% of GDP was something that nobody thought was possible.
00:05:07.660And American hegemony, in particular, helped provide public goods, open sea lanes, a stable financial system, collective security, and support for frameworks for resolving disputes.
00:05:37.280We are in the midst of a rupture, not a transition.
00:05:41.280Over the past two decades, a series of crises in finance, health, energy, and geopolitics have laid bare the risks of extreme global integration.
00:05:49.580But more recently, great powers have begun using economic integration as weapons.
00:05:59.860Supply chains as vulnerabilities to be exploited.
00:06:02.660You cannot live within the lie of mutual benefit through integration when integration becomes the source of your subordination.
00:06:13.360The multilateral institutions on which the middle powers have relied, the WTO, the UN, the COP, the architecture, the very architecture of collective problem solving are under threat.
00:06:29.500And as a result, many countries are drawing the same conclusions, that they must develop greater strategic autonomy in energy, food, critical minerals, in finance, and supply chains.
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00:16:38.500From Ursula in the morning, in her talk, to Carney in the afternoon, these were not maybe eulogies for the post-war international rules-based order.
00:16:51.000As we've talked to this audience and shared with them over the years that this is shattering, this is the key to globalization and the extraction of value from American citizens and the crippling of this country.
00:17:04.260It may not be the eulogy, but let's say it's the celebration of life.
00:17:08.000It's a celebration of life, not a full funeral.
00:18:14.620Today, Carney basically said the quiet part out loud.
00:18:18.680He talked about a new global order, referenced the middle powers, saying that they cannot rely anymore on a single system.
00:18:25.960And he pushed back on tariffs and economic coercion, not as a protest, but as prudence.
00:18:32.380And I think this reminded me a lot of Lula's speech at the end of the BRICS summit.
00:18:38.200Now, we can call this anti-Americanism, but I think they're starting to see it more as risk management.
00:18:44.360And Ursula von der Leyen referenced Nixon's closing of the gold window, as you mentioned, in 71.
00:18:50.540This wasn't a history lesson on her behalf.
00:18:53.720I think this was an admission that a system that has run on confidence for so long, and confidence in the global order is no longer assumed.
00:19:03.440My biggest concern of all is you don't come out and say that publicly unless capital is already moving.
00:21:38.120You've been both following the main stage.
00:21:40.240You've been following really the breakout sessions, which are so important for what's really going on.
00:21:45.200What's your latest report on Davos, ma'am?
00:21:47.240I'd like to add, actually, to that speech that Mark Carney gave because it was incredibly, incredibly important.
00:21:57.080And I really urge the posse to go listen to it in full.
00:22:00.440I'll be watching it a second time myself because he said so many critical things, especially when he talks about this rupture in the world order and the end of a pleasant fiction and the beginning of a harsh reality when he describes this inflection point where we find ourselves.
00:22:19.660And I found that his speech was actually incredibly strong in tone and unlike the other people that are presenting there, you know, we discussed Larry Fink, Macron with his sunglasses, because who knows what happened to him underneath underneath them.
00:23:28.740And to Mr. Patrick's point, you know, he was clearly given the green light to telegraph and to share this message with the audience and the world, essentially.
00:23:40.140And when he says that the rules-based order is fading, it completely aligns with what Ursula von der Leyen was saying earlier today.
00:23:48.780These people coordinate and they're very much in lockstep.
00:23:52.160And we talked about the opening of China around the early 1970s, you know, with Kissinger, with Nixon, all the moves that were made at that time to transform China into the manufacturing superpower of the world.
00:24:10.240And by that, with the destruction of the U.S. manufacturing base.
00:24:17.580And I would say if we look at the big picture, it is clear that we are moving towards a cashless society.
00:24:26.340This is also what they've been telling us for a few years now.
00:24:29.760Christine Lagarde, you know, as the head of the European Central Bank, preparing for the rollout of digital, the digital euro in early 2027.
00:24:39.240So 2026 is going to be a critical year.
00:24:43.240And I feel that what's happening in Davos this week is the starting point of that transition, so to speak, or this rupture, to use the term of Mark Carney.
00:24:55.220And coming back to him, absolutely, he's a very, very serious guy.
00:25:01.180You know, he's not some actor that was selected to be a president of one of those nations like, I believe, excuse me, Macron was.
00:25:10.000You know, you look at the pedigree of Mark Carney, as you mentioned, 13 years, Goldman Sachs, governor of the Bank of Canada, chairman of the Bank of International Settlements Committee on the Global Financial System,
00:25:24.020Group of 30 of the World Economic Forum of Leading Financiers and Academics, Bilderberg Group attendee several years, chairman of the FSB Financial Stability Board,
00:25:36.840and more importantly, most importantly, governor of the Bank of England, of course, which is what he's most known for.
00:25:43.520And he was a major proponent of ESG, net zero, also in terms of his role with the United Nations and all of the climate scam that the audience is going to be very familiar.
00:26:24.860One thing I noticed, maybe it's just me and what I've caught in watching this, there's a much more serious tone to Davos this year.
00:26:33.240In the past, they've had this kind of, you know, fluffy DEI, ESG, you know, Davos man, people skipping around.
00:26:40.880This is between the AI, the energy needs for AI, the, you know, the post-war international rules-based order, what President Trump's doing, the rise of nationalism, right?
00:26:50.960You had Carney, you know, spit that out a couple of times, not just populism, but now nationalism.
00:26:55.900It seems to me, and I haven't seen all the breakout sessions, that there's a much more somber and a much more serious tone as the globalists understand this thing's coming apart, ma'am.
00:27:09.560And Secretary Bassan made a very good point earlier as well on the show with you, Steve.
00:27:14.620He said that the EU has no cloud, and you're seeing this happening there.
00:27:20.220There's a point, we're at a point right now where they're forced to choose to side with either the U.S. and their tech oligarchs or China.
00:27:29.400And this is what Mark Carney clearly signaled a few days ago during this meeting and his visit with Chinese officials, that he was clearly choosing China over the United States of America, especially in light of all of this Greenland talk.
00:27:46.020You can feel that there are lots of tensions, and I'm very much looking forward, obviously, to President Trump's speech tomorrow to see how he's going to handle that.
00:27:54.340But alongside with all the heaviness and the seriousness that you just mentioned, which I think you're absolutely spot on, the levity and joking nature of President Trump is much welcome.
00:28:06.780I really enjoyed the memes that he posted last night.
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00:30:34.600President Trump is actually staying on Thursday now for the first, I think, committee meeting of the peace conference or the peace committee.
00:31:27.120So, Natalie, you've been with us and riding shotgun with me in these Davos things for, what, five years?
00:31:37.320I noticed that Zelensky's not front and center, but you were also the lead investigator, I think, in all of Washington, D.C., about the Chinese Communist Party.
00:31:49.740They're looking for alternatives away from President Trump in the United States, the globalists.
00:31:53.740First, your thoughts on the opening couple days of Davos, of the World Economic Forum, with the new mayor of Davos, Larry Fink.
00:32:03.960Well, I think it's a different tone than we're used to seeing.
00:32:07.180And I think part of that shift is because before I think what they wanted to do was sort of have us voluntarily comply, right, with what they were trying to roll out.
00:32:16.280I think we saw that in these euphemistic, you know, HR department approved terms like the Great Reset.
00:32:21.060But now they've almost shifted from compelling and there almost seems like a more coercion or it's sort of this like post-talk, it's already happened analysis.
00:32:28.400We're already in this new post-rules-based international order shifting to a new world order, which I was told we were conspiracy theorists for daring to even say that term for a very long time.
00:32:39.560And I think that that is quite interesting because in a weird way, they're almost affirming the victories of MAGA, of President Trump, of, you know, the audience that composes this show by using our sort of conception of sovereignty, as you've always talked about, right?
00:32:55.800Like the Westphalian nation state, sort of using that as a pretext to then justify shifting away from that because they find that inherently problematic.
00:33:04.620And I always say whenever you hear people like that who have never used the word sovereignty before, it doesn't exist in their vernacular.
00:33:10.780And then all of a sudden they start talking about it like Kamala Harris did on the campaign trail.
00:33:14.760That is an immediate red flag because it's sort of this weird distortion of what they are talking about sovereignty actually meaning.
00:33:23.440And I think when they talk about, right, this euphemistic new world order, I think it sort of links back in a weird way.
00:33:30.020It's sort of this horseshoe theory of agreement with, I think, President Trump's take on where we stand right now in America.
00:33:35.480It's why they're taking all these desperate measures, right?
00:33:39.400And I would argue it through the lens, you know, more so of the Chinese Communist Party, where we're really at the inflection point of this idea of a Thucydides trap, right?
00:33:47.240You have a rising power versus a declining power, saying that the United States is the latter.
00:33:53.820But it seems like the World Economic Forum is sort of the, you know, in kaleidoscope, in full color, really prediction and rollout of what a future global order looks like, not just where the Chinese Communist Party is in control, right?
00:34:07.640That's part of Mark Carney's recent media tour.
00:34:11.080But it's also just this complete, I mean, they're saying what we've said they've been admitting to, or at least clandestinely doing for years, which is usurping national sovereignty, trying to destroy populist movements in favor of a new world order.
00:34:25.940So it's sort of this weird vindication that we've been right, but we don't want to be right on this stuff.
00:34:30.620Talk to me about, in your investigation, this guy's a former head of the Bank of England and now Prime Minister of Canada, one of our, I think, our largest trading partner.
00:34:41.820He refers to the Chinese Communist Party consistently as a trusted partner.
00:34:48.600Well, look, you can always tell a lot about how compromised people are by the Chinese Communist Party by the way that they describe them, right?
00:34:55.640You got everything from competitor, that's maybe the harshest, to ally, to friend.
00:35:00.420But trusted partner going all in, even using an adjective and referring to them as a partner is something that even for me, I'm not typically used to hearing that descriptor.
00:35:08.760Like I said, I think that part of this is an ideological compromise, right?
00:35:13.820They hate the United States, or at least what the United States stands for now, which is secure borders, national sovereignty, the idea that tariffs actually mean something that only works if you believe borders mean something.
00:35:25.440And I think that the Chinese Communist Party, the reason why people like Mark Carney are so drawn to the way that they rule, it's not just that they're all to their core Marxists,
00:35:34.960but I also think they actually just like real autocracy, right?
00:35:38.660They like the repression of people who they disagree with, of dissidents, right?
00:35:44.120Like we've always said, January 6th was like the American version, I think, of like the Hundred Flowers campaign, right?
00:35:49.320They want to identify opposition only to crush them.
00:35:52.740And that's why there's such a convergence there.
00:35:55.960Obviously, you know, I could chapter and verse you on what's going on in Canada.
00:36:00.240But Steve, like you've been so ahead of the curve and brilliant on it has to do with their northern border, too.
00:36:04.760This all has to go back to obviously the Chinese, I think, I would say having a sort of trying to counter the United States interest to shore up where our key vulnerabilities are,
00:36:14.500which is, of course, in rare earths and critical minerals.
00:36:17.180And now that the United States has sort of launched a full scale assault, kind of a whole, not just of government, but a whole of society, right?
00:36:23.780You've seen that with the public-private mergers and things like the Mountain Pass mine deal to try to fix that problem.
00:37:16.980And the other is the movement to tell our top military commanders, to instruct our top military commanders to refocus their attention on what Donald Trump called internal enemies and a war from within.
00:37:35.300That's the kind of language that we heard in South America in the 1970s.
00:37:39.960So these initial efforts, they're not yet terribly successful, but these initial efforts to politicize the military, if that continues, if they have any success in that, is a very, very dangerous thing.
00:37:54.600Let me just add what might have been a fourth thing but actually didn't really materialize, but worried me a lot of the time, was the aftermath of the Charlie Kirk assassination.
00:38:02.680When the government really ramped up the rhetoric about all of the Democratic Party and much of civil society being terrorist or being linked to terrorism, and which would have been or could have been a justification to crack down much more widely on opposition.
00:38:23.700They didn't do that, but there were a couple of weeks there where it looked like that could open up a new level of repression.
00:38:37.380So that was sort of a – something that could have been much worse.
00:38:43.520I know you highlight these peaceful protests on your show regularly.
00:38:55.260I mean, in political science terms, there's what's called the 3.5% rule, which is that if you look at authoritarian regimes of various kinds all over the world, over the last, like, century,
00:39:09.100once you have 3.5% of a population protesting nonviolently against a dictator or an authoritarian, that is essentially an unstoppable force that they can't oppose.
00:39:23.260And that precludes them from consolidating and that precludes them from consolidating dictatorial power.
00:39:35.520They went there on Pinochet to explain what we just saw, ma'am, because they're not being shot, and they brought Charlie Kirk up in the assassination.
00:39:47.720Well, look, it's not a 100 days celebration if we can't have a little bit of a meltdown montage, so I thought it was important to air that, which, by the way, happy 100 days.
00:40:00.940But the two individuals speaking before are someone, Steve, that we have talked about well before these 100 days.
00:40:06.720They're sort of the architects of a lot of this color revolution framework, I would say, the sort of academic counterpart to the Norm Eisen's of the world.
00:40:13.260One of them is a they-them by the name of Erika Chenoweth, who essentially came up with that 3.5% figure.
00:40:18.940And the other is Stephen Levitsky, who has used basically the, I would say, guise of studying other countries and how those regimes have been toppled, typically led by, you know, United States back to color revolutions, but how they have deposed regimes.
00:40:33.000And I think now we've certainly seen those tactics be used here against President Trump.
00:40:37.880And why this is so important is because you can see the media, I think, already sort of creating the permission structure for violence, just outright violence, to be used in these protests.
00:41:04.700As of January 16th, 34% of those polled agreed that Americans, quote, may have to resort to violence in order to save our country.
00:41:11.020That's up from 11% in October and down from 40% at the June No Kings protest.
00:41:16.940That, of course, being, you know, the indivisible, all these sort of left-wing groups coming together under this big consortium to basically depose Trump.
00:41:25.280And I think there's a very telling quote in that article from the executive director of the Women's March.
00:41:50.000The other reason that I played that clip is the way that, I mean, talk about callousness, but the way that that individual, Stephen Levitsky, talks about the Charlie Kirk assassination,
00:41:57.940they point to that as something that was unfortunate for their side because the Trump administration tried to crack down on the left-wing groups that I'm sure riled up the person who shot him.
00:42:09.220And the irony in all of this is that those are the people who are lecturing us on violence.
00:42:13.300And again, if you have to create a whole center called nonviolent protesting, that's up at Harvard.
00:42:17.860That's what the Erica Chenoweth chick runs.
00:42:19.880Maybe you should check the kind of work that you're involved in.
00:42:23.960There's this new term where they're talking about tactical frivolity.
00:42:28.400I've gone way too deep in how they describe these protests, but it is an intentional strategy where they're trying to make these protests look very joyful and fun and kind of crazy with the stuffed animals and just weird childlike.
00:42:40.240I'm sure there's other pathologies going on there that are animating that.
00:42:43.420But some of the research that this Erica Chenoweth chick has done is to try to create these mass protests to be as inviting as they can from a psychological perspective.
00:42:54.400Some more Americans will get involved.
00:42:57.000And just about a week ago, she put out a very long report talking about how Gen Z in particular is linked to forming a lot of these protests, these demonstrations, and how these so-called nonviolent protests very quickly and accidentally suddenly seem to turn violent.
00:43:13.380And that's where you sort of get this weird limited hangout idea of the 3.5 percent, which I think can maybe be best to understand how they took over the United States government.
00:43:23.420But what they're talking about is that if you can just get 3.5 percent of the population in any country to basically turn on the ruling elites, that you'll have a revolution on your hands.
00:43:32.900And that's sort of the fire that they use to keep going, all of these protesters.
00:43:38.520And another interesting thing, like I said, I watch way too much of this resistance content, so forgive me, but is that they, in their weird perverted ways, are talking about how they're trying to reclaim the Constitution.
00:43:51.100Quote, people were reclaiming core values and principles those expressed in the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.
00:43:57.080And I think you see that weird sort of thought, I mean, now you see people with guns and talking about how important the Second Amendment is in Minnesota.
00:44:04.660It's like, now they're all for states' rights? What?
00:44:10.180Insurrectionist sanctuary cities. Just hang on one second, and I'll take a short break. Right back.
00:44:15.260We will break till they're all gone. We rejoice when there's no more. Let's take down the CCP.
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