In this episode of the War Room, host Steve Kavey Vance is joined by Hayden Daniels and Ben Burkham to discuss a new piece written by historian Hayden Daniels about the lack of support for nullification in the early 1830s, and how President Andrew Jackson handled the situation.
00:03:32.000And especially these two tariffs, South Carolina vehemently opposes these tariffs.
00:03:39.000And they get so mad about it that they start arguing what's called nullification theory, which says that a state, if it finds a federal law unconstitutional, it can say we don't have to follow that law anymore.
00:03:52.000We are totally exempt from following federal law if we, the state, believe that it's unconstitutional.
00:03:58.000So it has a state convention and declares that these two tariff laws are null and void, therefore nullification.
00:04:06.000The governor of South Carolina, Robert Hain, even starts to raise a state militia to forcefully resist the collection of tariff revenue from the government.
00:04:18.000And Jackson doesn't hesitate when this happens.
00:04:22.000He immediately gets to work, informs his secretary of war, Louis Cass, to start mobilizing troops in case this escalates out of hand.
00:04:33.000And he has Congress pass the force bill in early 1833, which authorizes him to use military force to put down this potential insurrection.
00:04:43.000Now, Jackson's a very big states' rights guy. He's not some big government guy.
00:04:50.000But he correctly argues, along with other opponents of nullification, that if any state's allowed to just decide a federal law doesn't apply to them, you're not going to have a country.
00:05:02.000Like, he points out that this law was completely constitutional on how it was passed.
00:05:09.000Congress has explicit authority to levy tariffs under Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution.
00:05:14.000It passed through both houses of Congress. It was signed by the president.
00:05:17.000It wasn't flagged for judicial review. Therefore, this is a totally constitutional law.
00:05:21.000And the states, as signatories of the Constitution, have to follow it. That's the deal.
00:05:28.000And if they don't, if any state can just kind of pick and choose which laws it wants to follow, there's no real point of having a country.
00:05:36.000You're going to go back to having a country.
00:05:38.000But hang on. But hang on. But hang on. Hang on.
00:05:40.000I want to get back to also their core thing is that what is the state and who's sovereign?
00:05:44.000The theory of the South Carolinians and many in the South, although they didn't come to their back on this, is that, hey, look, the Constitution is a compact of sovereign states.
00:05:56.000And as a compact, like a gentleman's club, we can kind of pick and choose which one.
00:06:00.000General Jackson, who really ended the the the revolutionary war and the really the beginning of the nation building phase by defeating the British at the Battle of New Orleans and had done so much to really help form the country.
00:06:13.000He was a Southerner, a Westerner, I guess, at the time, but a Southerner.
00:06:17.000He had no love for the landed aristocracy in South Carolina or the or the Tidewater area anywhere.
00:06:23.000But his theory of the case was quite different. This ain't just a compact.
00:06:27.000This is a union. And that is different than a compact.
00:06:30.000So in a union, you get your shot to voice your concerns in the process.
00:06:34.000But once the process is deemed right, you either go to the court and get it overturned or but you're going to follow you're going to follow the rules.
00:06:41.000And if I have to, I will enforce the rules. Correct.
00:06:48.000Admin about that, that if South Carolina continues on this path, we are going to use federal force to enforce constitutionally passed laws.
00:07:00.000Now, he had. Well, let's walk through how he won this and really delayed the Civil War by decades.
00:07:06.000And if you had people like Jackson in the 1850s and Buchanan in that crowd, you might not even had a Civil War.
00:07:12.000You probably could have come to a conclusion otherwise, because they would have never tolerated the union being torn apart.
00:07:18.000They would have forced us out to take care of this problem or take care of this issue.
00:07:22.000But walk us through how that's concluded, because today tariffs.
00:07:25.000Yes, tariffs were hugely controversial back then.
00:07:28.000The North wanted them under Hamilton's American system.
00:07:31.000Abraham Lincoln, the whole Whig Party was big on this internal developments, internal improvements in high tariffs to build native industry.
00:07:38.000The South being more agriculture and particularly around cotton wanted no tariffs at all because they were part of a globalist system of which the British had the manufacturing.
00:07:47.000And of course, you had the you want to distribute it all the finished goods into into Europe.
00:07:53.000But today the stakes are 10 times higher because this is about an invasion of the country.
00:07:58.000So tell us how Jackson did it. And then let's let's make the analogy of where we sit today.
00:08:02.000Well, he gives a proclamation basically laying out his argument about why nullification is is illegitimate, begins mobilizing troops.
00:08:17.000But at the last second, he's able to get a compromise with Henry Clay in the Senate to lower the tariff rates.
00:08:25.000But he was absolutely ready to just go into the state if South Carolina didn't back down.
00:08:29.000And South Carolina did back down after that compromise tariff in 1833.
00:08:33.000But as you said, there's an apocryphal. There's an apocryphal story.
00:08:36.000There's an apocryphal story. John, John, John, John C. Calhoun was his vice president.
00:08:41.000John C. Calhoun is kind of a fire breather from South Carolina.
00:08:44.000John, he resigned his vice president to go down and kind of lead this insurrection in Jackson.
00:08:50.000It's an apocryphal story. But he said, hey, if I get to send the army in, the first thing I'm going to do is hang Calhoun from the first lamppost.
00:08:57.000We're going to give him a drumhead trial and we're going to hang him from the first lamppost that we can find.
00:09:03.000That's how Andrew Jackson played. OK, he had no tolerance.
00:09:07.000And if you hadn't if you didn't have that kind of tough leadership, this thing would have spun out of control and you would have you would have had a nightmare.
00:09:16.000That's why people like Jackson were essential, I think, for stopping the Civil War a couple of decades later.
00:09:22.000Now, the stakes here are a hundred times higher than the terror fight.
00:09:26.000In contrast, you had Buchanan in 1860, before the Civil War.
00:09:33.000He does nothing but hesitate when it comes to the secession crisis in 1860.
00:09:37.000And it it does spiral out of control. So you really just see the difference between leadership styles, between decisive and indecisive with Jackson going right for it and not messing around and taking the decisive action.
00:09:51.000Then you have Buchanan who kind of vacillates and hesitates.
00:09:55.000And the country is what is who pays for it in the end with deadliest war in U.S. history, civil war.
00:10:01.000So, hey, Hayden, Hayden, right now we've got a situation.
00:10:06.000Do you agree with me that this is an insurrection in your face?
00:10:10.000Would you see in Minneapolis? But it's the same in Los Angeles, the same in Chicago.
00:10:13.000It's the same with Vandami in in in New York, the sanctuary cities.
00:10:19.000They're saying, hey, we're we're we don't apply to federal law.
00:10:22.000We let anybody in this country that wants to come in here.
00:10:25.000And if we like them or they're going to vote for us, they're going to stay and screw you.
00:10:28.000We don't care. This is why this crisis is 10x what the crisis of 1832 is, is it not?
00:10:37.000Yes. You know, you had Tim Walls threatening to mobilize the National Guard, which isn't that far off from from the South Carolina governor threatening or raising a militia to repel federal forces.
00:10:48.000I mean, you have direct threats to federal authority and federal law enforcement that could turn deadly.
00:10:54.000And I think you're right that other cities around the country are looking to this as kind of a bellwether.
00:11:01.000They're saying, well, if Trump backs down here in Minneapolis, then we can do it, too.
00:11:05.000And then it'll start to spiral out of control, just like in 1860 with secession.
00:11:10.000But if Trump takes a decisive stand like Jackson did in 1832, he can really nip it in the bud.
00:11:17.000What is your record? If you were in the Oval Office this morning and someone in the, you know, Stephen Chung or Caroline Leavitt, one of our good buddies over there had given President Trump as they are want to do articles in the days, journals and papers and online that he should read.
00:11:34.000He reads this ago. I want to talk to the person that wrote this. What is your sitting in the Oval across from President Trump?
00:11:40.000What is your record? Give me a one minute, your recommendation to the president of the United States.
00:11:45.000Mr. President, you give fray and walls one last chance back down, start cooperating with federal authorities, hand over the National Guard to federal authority, tell the police to start doing their jobs and protecting ICE agents, or we're going to start seriously considering sending in other National Guard units to crack down on this.
00:12:10.640And we will consider you a hostile government and invoke the insurrection act, and you will be held criminally responsible for anything that happens afterward.
00:12:21.860How much time, if the president goes, the president says, okay, Hayden, I got that. How much time do I give him? I've given him all this time now. You know, I'm not, I am not James Buchanan. So how much time do I give him?
00:12:33.580I say at most 24 hours. That's enough. I think that's enough time to deliberate and see if they want to.
00:12:43.320Hayden, what is your, so 24 hours, then the insurrection act. Hayden, and then send the troops in. Hayden, what's your social media? Where do people get you at the Federalists and where do they get this incredible article?
00:12:56.560You can go to thefederalists.com for my article and my writings. You just go to my staff page. My social is at Hayden W. Daniel on X.
00:13:05.540Great piece, man. Great piece. And very timely.
00:13:25.080Okay. Can I get a little juice of that mic? Okay. You've been riding shotgun on all these great. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I'm right here.
00:13:32.100You've been riding all this stuff with ice and taking bad guys out and taking bad hombres. What do you think about, give me, we've got a minute to break. What do you think about the insurrection act?
00:13:40.880100%. I wouldn't give them 24 hours. I would do it right now. Minneapolis, they've had plenty of opportunities. What we saw this morning, it's so far beyond. It's so much worse than any American, red-blooded American can even imagine. Anyone who obstructs should get the insurrection act. And immediately, even before that, any federal funds to any sanctuary city or state need to be immediately withdrawn. Now. Not talked about, not thought about, withdrawn.
00:14:08.540Ben, where, where did people get you? I'm going to get you back on tonight, hopefully in the five o'clock hour. But for right now, I want to, I want you to show your video and talk to people about what you saw this morning. Where do people go?
00:14:24.640I, I just posted the 16 minute video on my ex at Ben Burquam. Everything else will be on at real America's voice. And then the rest I'll be posting throughout the day from the ride this morning. Got a lot of editing to do.
00:14:37.300So frontlineamerica.com is my website, our foundation. If you want to support ICE and Border Patrol in the private sector, it's frontlineamericafoundation.org. We're going to be going right into those communities, bringing the positive ICE message to them. And then again, everything law and border, everything on americasvoice.news.
00:14:52.700Yes. We'll see you back here at five o'clock. Ben Burquam, an eyewitness to all of it.
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00:35:17.960There is so much to unpack when it comes to what happened this week in Davos.
00:35:21.760I think it was probably one of the most important sessions that they've had since their inception in 1971.
00:35:27.640But one thing that I wanted to share with the posse is the fact that a lot of attention was paid to the sort of geopolitical reshuffling and, you know, this new world order and the changes to this new world order and what that entails.
00:35:46.240But there is one thing that I think is very important.
00:35:48.860One thing that we must lose sight of is the fact that in the background, parallel to the AI focus, the topic of many, many of the panels this week was actually on the economics and the new, quote, financial reset that they've been preparing and building out for many years.
00:36:06.960And so I just want to read a couple of the panels titles to give a little bit of context to what I'm saying.
00:36:12.980So you have, is tokenization the future?
00:36:24.180And so what we are seeing is all these heads of central banks, like Christine Lagarde of the ECB, IMF head, WTO head, and various international financial institutions getting together, having these conversations, especially with Larry Fink, the new mayor in town, the co-interim chair, leading many of these discussions.
00:36:48.900And what we have to understand is that there is this reset that is coming, this 100% digitalization of the entire financial structure.
00:36:59.200I mean, we're quasi entirely digitized when it comes to our financial services and the financial system, but we're talking about a 100% digitalization with CBDCs, with stable coins coming.
00:37:13.280And this is a topic that is very dear, especially to Larry Fink, who has been pushing tokenization extremely hard over the last few years, especially you look just at 2025, the number of papers and articles that he personally put out on this topic.
00:37:30.060His annual, you know, chairman letter to BlackRock was on tokenization.
00:37:36.660And I'd love to actually give a hat tip to Tim Hinchliffe, who reports on The Globalists as well.
00:37:43.940And he came out with an article entitled How the Weft Wants to Monetize Everything in Nature on the Sociable.
00:37:51.380And I encourage the Posse to read that because it does explain what exactly is tokenization.
00:37:57.440And essentially what Larry Fink wants to do and what he envisions is that all assets will be shared on a single blockchain.
00:38:05.760And this is the direction where we're headed.
00:38:09.680And we need to understand this because with the digitalization of the entire financial structure, that's the key for total centralization of power and control.
00:38:19.800And this is how they're going to essentially enslave us and reach their stated end goal of we will own nothing.
00:38:27.140And we actually won't be happy, but we will own nothing.
00:38:30.200And we will basically be living like Cerfs 2.0, where everything is a subscription model and we actually don't own anything.
00:38:38.500So this is the underlying, I think, topic that we need to be paying attention to alongside, obviously, AI, as I mentioned, and the geopolitical reshuffle.
00:38:49.800I'm going to grab you right after the show because I'm going to talk to you about maybe coming to tomorrow and doing even a deeper dive on this.
00:38:57.740Because when I tell people, when Noor spots something, it's going to happen.
00:39:03.880She's got this amazing radar that years before things happen, she can sense it's going to happen.
00:39:08.580But I want to spend the time we have to go back, pull the camera back for a second, and let's not bury the lead.
00:39:14.820But when Noor bin Laden tells me that this session of Davos, the World Economic Forum, is maybe one of the most important they've had since the founding in 1971, my ears perk up.
00:39:28.440Well, Mark Carney, you know, he talked about this rupture.
00:39:34.280And Christine Lagarde actually this morning in the closing panel of this week's session entitled Global Economic Outlook, she said that she disagreed with Mark Carney that we're actually not in a rupture, but in a sort of transition.
00:39:48.000And I think that the model, the post-World War II model that was set up and that served the globalists really well for the past 80 years is in fact transitioning, because we have reached a point where all these digital tools, the internet, 5G, the internet of things, smartphones, we have reached this inflection point where the technology allows for this global centralization.
00:40:15.120And she is obviously in her capacity as head of the ECB, European Central Bank, very well positioned to understand and to actually telegraph what it is they're doing.
00:40:28.060They've been working for many years now on the digital euro, on the euro CBDC, which is planned for rollout in early 2027, although they're trying to rush it for this year, later on this year.
00:40:40.000But we really need to be paying careful attention because once we move to this system where everything is on the blockchain, everything is digitalized, we will have no more agency, we will have zero financial freedom left.
00:40:55.440And you have to see this in conjunction with the wider picture of what's happening with the internet, with the push for censorship.
00:41:04.280You see these different moves that are being played on the chessboard where they want to end online anonymity, have us have a digital ID in order to even access the internet.
00:41:14.020That's what this under-16 ban for children on social media is all about.
00:41:21.020It's not about protecting our children, even though that's the pretext that's being used.
00:41:26.160It's in order to force us to use a digital identity to prove that we are of a certain age in order to access the internet.
00:41:36.240And there's also another piece of news that came out, but European companies, I think out of Sweden, there's one European company backed by many Europeans, are launching a new social media entitled W to counter Elon Musk's X.
00:41:56.700And one of the prerequisites in order to be able to use this new social media platform is digital ID, and they claim that it's in order to avoid having bots on the platform.
00:42:09.660So all of this is very closely tied together, and they're being pushed simultaneously to make us reach that point where we are essentially tied and imprisoned in a digital grid.
00:42:22.260Norah, can you hang on? I want to hold you through the break and bring you back for the D-block.
00:46:59.780You can find me at Norbanladen on Twitter and norbanladen.substack.com.
00:47:07.500And if I may say, I wanted to share this clip because I find it so hypocritical, again,
00:47:12.180that she's talking about the distribution of wealth and the disparity when this is exactly what these people have done deliberately over the past 80 years
00:47:22.360with their international rules-based order and their globalist superstructure.
00:47:28.800And it's always the same thing, you know, Steve, problem, reaction, solution, ordo, ab, chaos, order out of chaos.
00:47:36.120They manufacture the problems and then they pretend that they want to actually resolve these problems.
00:47:43.360And at the end of the day, it always leads to one thing, which is an increase in this widening, in this gap between the different classes
00:47:52.600and this creation of a feudal system 2.0 that we've been discussing.
00:47:58.800We'll go into tomorrow, but we did technically, because one year to the day, we did at high noon yesterday leave the World Health Organization.