Jan Jekalak of The American Thought Leaders joins us to talk about the Chinese Communist Party's attempt to consolidate power under President Xi Jinping, and what it means for the future of the country and its future in the world.
00:00:28.860I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:34.740Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:38.500If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:00:44.900War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:00:51.440Friday, 30 January, Year of the Lord, 2026.
00:00:54.840Now, Jan Jekalak, Order to Kill, over at, has got the American Thought Leaders, a magnificent show.
00:01:04.120You're over at Epoch Times, NTD, the television station, all of our friends over there and colleagues, part of the anti-CCP movement.
00:01:12.060Somehow on this one, because we've got Prescott's about to stop, I'm going to get as far through this as we can, and then you're going to hang around.
00:01:20.160So when it finishes, you're going to come back.
00:01:22.460Order to Kill, this situation with the Chinese Communist Party.
00:01:26.700And by the way, let me ask you first what I got you.
00:01:29.120Does all this running around, because I've had a thousand people all over me.
00:01:45.940And you, like me, are dedicated to having Lao Bajing's back to take these animals, because they're true savages, to take them down and throw them in the dust heap of history.
00:01:56.100What is your take on what's happened in Beijing over the last couple of days, between the military and President Xi?
00:02:04.300Well, Steve, it's actually a really unprecedented moment.
00:02:08.120I mean, I was just talking with one of my top, top analysts, Hung He, about these realities.
00:02:14.800I mean, he says it's sort of a once-in-a-generation or once-in-a-decade shift that's just happened.
00:02:19.700I mean, really, what happened is that Xi Jinping managed to purge the top of the top of the military commission, Zhang Yuxia.
00:02:31.440So this is actually a professional leader of the military.
00:02:35.040This is the guy who actually knew how to run the military.
00:02:39.140This is a situation where five of the seven of the top military leaders, and we're talking the top, top, have actually been purged by Xi Jinping.
00:02:47.260Okay, going back about a year now, right, there was all this kerfuffle and so forth happening there.
00:02:53.160This was the military basically trying to take, and they took a bunch of control from Xi.
00:02:57.660This right now is Xi punching back, okay?
00:03:03.120Xi basically has broken, as Hung He described, the kind of the unwritten rules of the party.
00:03:10.360There's certain things, there's certain ways, though, even in a mafia or something, that things need to work.
00:03:15.180Xi Jinping has just kind of torn that apart in his quest to achieve that total power that he's looking for.
00:03:22.520And in the process, the bureaucracy itself, the kind of the whole system under him is now wondering what to do, what alliance is going to have, what way can I save myself from being purged?
00:03:32.140It's not clear that there's a way out.
00:03:34.260So, I mean, it's a really profound moment, and it's not really something that we've seen in a very long time, perhaps as far back as, you know, Mao Zedong being purged to a degree.
00:03:45.860Because Xi up to now, he's made himself president for life.
00:03:52.280All the rules of it, all the rules they had, the systems they had after Deng Xiaoping, has this started?
00:03:59.140Okay, let's, Jan, hang on for one second.
00:04:01.620We're going to go to main justice for a moment.
00:04:03.360The investigations and prosecutions of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.
00:04:11.200I'm here today to talk about the department's compliance with its production obligations under the act.
00:04:17.620Around, I think, right now, and continuing throughout the day-to-day, as the indexing and uploading completes, we are producing responsive materials under the act.
00:04:28.520We are also releasing today a letter we are transmitting to Congress and various internal protocols associated with our review.
00:04:37.840I want to take a moment to thank the professionals at the Department of Justice, who met twice daily, sometimes more, for the last 75 days to get to where we are today.
00:04:49.660The leadership teams from the Office of the Attorney General, from the Deputy Attorney General's Office, the Associate Attorney General's Office, the Criminal Division, the National Security Division, the FBI, the Southern District of Florida, the Southern District of New York, and the Northern District of New York,
00:05:06.820all gave up many hours every single day, on top of their other, of course, full-time obligations to fulfill President Trump's promise of transparency to the American people.
00:05:19.460I also want to thank the more than 500 lawyers and professionals across all those divisions that I just mentioned, and others, who worked long days, nights, weekends, Christmas, New Year's Eve, New Year's Day, nights, weekends, and holidays to complete this production.
00:05:38.620These highly trained reviewers spend their careers putting bad guys in jail and effectuating the mission of the department.
00:05:49.340And to a person, they worked tirelessly to protect victims and comply with the act since its passage.
00:05:58.780Today, we are producing more than 3 million pages, including more than 2,000 videos and 180,000 images.
00:06:08.620In total, that means that the department produced approximately 3.5 million pages in compliance with the act.
00:06:16.920Just a quick note about the videos and images.
00:06:21.080The 2,000 videos and 180,000 images are not all videos and images taken by Mr. Epstein or someone around him.
00:06:30.980They include large quantities of commercial pornography and images that were seized from Epstein's devices,
00:06:38.180but which he did not take or that someone around him did not take.
00:06:43.420Some of the videos, though, and some of the images do appear to be taken by Mr. Epstein or by others around him.
00:06:52.080Now, I want to talk for a few minutes about the department's document identification and review protocols.
00:06:58.440It consisted of multiple layers of review and quality control designed to ensure compliance under the act and protect victims.
00:07:09.040On top of the review protocols that the department had in place,
00:07:14.180the United States Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York employed an additional review protocol
00:07:20.240to ensure compliance with a court order requiring United States Attorney Jay Clayton to certify
00:07:26.760that with respect to certain materials, a large quantity of the materials,
00:07:30.560a rigorous process was undertaken to protect victims against any clearly unwarranted invasion of their personal privacy.
00:07:40.260The department's collection effort resulted in more than 6 million pages being identified as potentially responsive,
00:07:47.660including department and FBI emails, interview summaries, images, videos, and various other materials
00:07:53.860collected and generated during the various investigations and prosecutions that the act covered.
00:07:59.920We erred on the side of over-collection of materials from various sources to best ensure maximum transparency and compliance,
00:08:09.180which necessarily means that the number of responsive pages is significantly smaller than the total number of pages initially collected.
00:08:17.360That's why I mentioned a moment ago we're releasing more than 3 million pages today
00:08:21.600and not the 6 million pages that we collected.
00:08:27.160I want to address what we didn't produce.
00:08:30.700The categories of documents withheld include those permitted under the act to be withheld,
00:08:35.820files that contain personally identified information of victims or victims' personal and medical files,
00:08:43.000and similar files, the disclosure of which would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy.
00:08:48.600Any depiction of CSAM or child pornography was obviously excluded.
00:08:55.180Anything that would jeopardize an active federal investigation.
00:08:59.200And finally, anything that depicts or contain images of death, physical abuse, or injury, also not produced.
00:09:06.380Although the act allows for withholding for items necessary to keep secret in the interest of national security or foreign policy,
00:09:15.560no files are being withheld or redacted on that basis.
00:09:20.540Further, as we previously stated in our December 19th letter of last year,
00:09:25.480the department withheld or redacted files covered by various privileges, as we always do,
00:09:31.480including deliberative process privilege, work product privilege, and attorney-client privilege.
00:09:37.180As you all know, under the act, the department must subsequently submit to the House and Senate committees on the judiciary
00:09:42.800a report listing all categories of records released and withheld,
00:09:46.780a summary of redactions made, including the legal basis for such redactions,
00:09:50.760and a list of all government officials and politically exposed persons named or referenced in the act.
00:09:57.780We will do so in due course as required under the act.
00:10:02.460I want to talk for just a moment about the redactions that will be obvious to anyone who reviews the materials that we just produced today.
00:10:10.800In addition to the documentary redactions, which includes personal identifying information, victim information, and other privileges,
00:10:20.500there is extensive redactions to images and videos.
00:10:24.960To protect victims, we redacted every woman depicted in any image or video, with the exception of Ms. Maxwell.
00:10:34.480We did not redact images of any men, unless it was impossible to redact the woman without also redacting the man.
00:10:44.440To this end, though, and to ensure transparency, if any member of Congress wishes to review any portions of the response of production
00:10:53.300in any unredacted form, they're welcome to make arrangements with the department to do so, and we're happy to do that.
00:11:00.080I want to talk for a minute about something that is important.
00:11:05.900Every single day of the year, the Department of Justice investigates and prosecutes those who abuse and traffic young women and children.
00:11:15.640Just last year, the FBI located over 2,700 victims of child exploitation.
00:11:22.060The Department of Justice found and terminated 3.8 million dark web pedophile accounts.
00:11:31.340In August, we charged 11 defendants for extensive sex trafficking in Los Angeles of illegal immigrants and underage women.
00:11:39.600Last month, we charged five men who were engaged in a sadistic sextortion network of deranged young men abusing women.
00:11:46.800Over the past several months, last summer and into the fall, we executed Operation Restore Justice,
00:11:55.100rescuing 205 child victims and arresting 293 offenders.
00:12:00.340I point this out because I take umbrage at the suggestion, which is totally false,
00:12:05.960that the Attorney General or this department does not take child exploitation or sex trafficking seriously,
00:12:12.440or that we somehow do not want to protect victims.
00:17:40.620Because as you know, the Department has been criticized for not bringing charges against more people.
00:17:45.100Are there still open investigations related to Jeffrey Epstein?
00:17:49.820So what I was laying out in my comments is the statutory, what the statute talks about, about what we can withhold and the reasons we can withhold it.
00:18:52.040Number one, pushing politics aside and everyone else aside, some of the victims of Epstein have expressed frustration with the entire process.
00:19:00.540I want to give you the opportunity to speak directly to them.
00:19:04.080Well, I don't know what you're speaking to.
00:19:06.680I mean, if there's frustration with, quote, the entire process, same here.
00:19:11.920I mean, you have a situation where for many, many years nobody even breathed a word about Jeffrey Epstein.
00:19:18.440And then all of a sudden it was all anybody would talk about going into last spring and summer, culminating in the passage of the Transparency Act.
00:19:26.100And President Trump has said for years what I think everybody will find to be exactly true, which is detailing his relationship and lack thereof with Mr. Epstein and what he thought about Mr. Epstein.
00:19:39.040And notwithstanding what the department has been saying for a very long time, we're still where we are today.
00:19:46.320Listen, victims of Mr. Epstein have gone through unspeakable pain.
00:19:52.820And there's nobody that should say anything differently.
00:19:56.320And to the extent that there's frustration, I understand where that comes from, just from what we know about Mr. Epstein.
00:20:05.340I mean, I hope that the work that the men and women within this department have done over the past two months hopefully is able to bring closure.
00:20:16.760I think that what we told our reviewers is that that was the goal.
00:20:23.140You know, there's this mantra out there that, oh, you know, the Department of Justice is supposed to protect Donald J. Trump.
00:20:29.620And that's what we were telling. That's not true. That was never the case.
00:20:33.360We are always concerned about the victims.
00:20:35.720When we said that we were not legally allowed to release documents, that's a fact.
00:21:13.880And that's what we did in this case as well.
00:21:15.460Very quickly, can you assure the American public that President Trump, like every other prominent person whose name came up in relation to the Epstein files,
00:21:26.340that all documents, photos, and anything relevant to him connected to the case are being released?
00:21:33.260I mean, yes, I can assure that we complied with the statute.
00:21:38.700And there is no, we did not protect President Trump.
00:21:42.700We didn't protect or not protect anybody.
00:21:45.140I mean, I think that we, that there's a hunger or a thirst for information that I do not think will be satisfied by the review of these documents.
00:21:54.400And there's nothing I can do about that.
00:21:57.660But President Trump, of all the people in Washington, D.C. and around this country that have said for years the same consistent message about Jeffrey Epstein is President Trump.
00:22:09.720And so there's not been a change of course or anything.
00:22:12.500And certainly his direction to the American people and the Department of Justice, sorry, his direction to the Department of Justice was to be as transparent, release the files, be as transparent as we can.
00:22:34.820Yeah, I mean, look, and I know there's a lot of, there's been a lot of discussion among the media around that.
00:22:39.260But, but just think about what that means.
00:22:41.560All that that means is that DHS, as they've, as the secretary has said, is conducting an investigation as they should and as they do every time there's, there's a tragic event like this.
00:22:52.380And the FBI in their role, which is a separate role from DHS, is, is also take looking into it and conducting investigation.
00:23:00.340And, and that's not, that shouldn't be treated as, as, as making news.
00:23:06.620It's just, we, we've said that for a week and it remains as true today as it was last Sunday when I said it.
00:23:12.020Two questions for you, one on topic and one separate.
00:24:00.360You said this is the end of the Epstein, of your review of the Epstein files.
00:24:04.420So, just to clarify, is the public going to learn the identities of the men who abused the girls with the information that you're releasing?
00:24:29.380I mean, I don't understand what that means.
00:24:30.360Well, I mean, the men who abused the young women through Epstein's, through Epstein's.
00:24:40.020Look, we said in July, and it remains as true today as it was in July, if we had information, we meaning the Department of Justice, about men who abused women, we would prosecute them.
00:24:58.280There's this built-in assumption that somehow there's this hidden tranche of information of men that we know about that we're covering up or that we're choosing not to prosecute.
00:25:31.580On the investigation into Federal Chairman Jerome Powell, is the Justice Department, what's the status of that investigation?
00:25:40.400Now that President Trump has nominated a new Fed chair, is the Justice Department looking to bring a close to the investigation into Chairman Powell's as soon as possible?
00:25:51.560I don't have a comment on that, on the subpoenas that were issued.
00:25:55.320I don't think the timing of President Trump's decision to nominate somebody is a controlling factor in any investigation.
00:26:04.880Hi, I just wanted to follow up on Alana's question.
00:26:07.580So you're saying that the shooting investigation of Alex Preddy is now a civil rights investigation.
00:26:14.360You're saying, you're implying that that's always been the case.
00:26:19.000Can you also say, has that, what about the shooting of Renee Goode?
00:26:23.460I mean, is she, is that, why or why not is that a civil rights investigation?
00:30:04.040They are for sure coordinating with Secretary Noem and her folks as well, and I expect DHS is also continuing their investigation to some extent.
00:30:15.500This happens, like I said, thousands of times a year, and it is tragic every single time it happens.
00:30:21.860And it's tragic this time like it's tragic every other time.
00:30:24.360And so there is a process that has to be allowed to play out internally with these law enforcement organizations and certainly with the FBI as well to allow this investigation to go on.
00:30:36.540You've talked about the expectations surrounding the Epstein files.
00:30:40.600Do you agree that the DOJ itself, senior officials at the DOJ, played up those expectations for the first half of this year?
00:30:47.560I'm just sort of trying to understand what responsibility does the Justice Department have for the criticism that has come over the handling of the Epstein files?
00:31:01.840My point was just to make plain that when it comes to what we've been doing the past two months and why we weren't able to complete the review of over six million pages.
00:31:13.460Okay, so you're talking about two Eiffel Towers, okay, of pages in 30 days in a way that made sure we complied with the Act, right?
00:31:24.920Get it done in 30 days, and you better not release any victim information.
00:31:30.600All right, so there's a lot of statutory construction.
00:31:33.480There's a lot of case law that exists that says that if those two are in conflict, we obviously are not violating the 30-day requirement by taking our time to comply with the Act.
00:31:44.040And so my comments were directed at this idea that because we didn't review the six-plus million pages within 30 days, somehow the Attorney General doesn't care about victims or is further doing damage to victims because of that, because exactly the opposite is true when it comes to the Attorney General.
00:32:04.900Sir, I have questions on Epstein and Minnesota, first on Minnesota.
00:32:09.980For transparency, would you commit to releasing the body cam video from federal officers that was involved in that shooting and their names at a point when the investigation can allow that?
00:32:44.000It depends on what happens with the investigation, and that's a decision that was made by the folks that are working the investigation.
00:32:51.420As it relates to Ms. Good, I don't, like I said before, there's investigations that happen all the time with respect to shootings like what happened last Saturday, and cases are handled differently by this department depending on the circumstances.
00:33:08.520And on, sir, on Epstein, sir, if I may just ask one on that, please, you mentioned a letter to Congress.
00:33:15.700How and to whom did you notify the White House about the production that you're announcing today before you came out and spoke to us?
00:33:49.480They had nothing to do with this review.
00:33:51.380They had no oversight over this review.
00:33:53.340They did not tell this department how to do our review, what to look for, what to redact, what to not redact.
00:34:00.220They absolutely knew that I was doing this press conference today and that we were releasing the materials today.
00:34:05.580But there's no oversight by the White House into the process that we've undertaken over the past 60 days.
00:34:13.640I wanted to ask a question about the evidence in the Alex Preddy investigation.
00:34:18.140Early on, our reporting showed that the only type of evidence that the FBI initially had in its possession that it was processing for ballistics and DNA, etc., was Preddy's firearm.
00:34:29.960It did not have the two firearms that were used to shoot Preddy.
00:34:34.520Those were in the hands of HSI and also there were concerns about chain of custody, things not being properly bagged and tagged, etc.
00:34:55.640I don't have an answer to those questions.
00:34:57.060Look, I think that there's – Secretary Noem has been clear with the American people but also with the Department of Justice that we're doing this together.
00:35:06.920And so I'm not – I'm not following in the weeds about who actually has possession of the firearms that were discharged.
00:35:16.280Wouldn't that be something the FBI would need in order to conduct a thorough investigation into a color of – this is obviously a color of law.
00:35:22.040When I said I didn't know, I wasn't being critical of the question.
00:35:26.000I was just simply saying I don't know.
00:35:28.080On the Fulton County seizure of ballots, local officials there, election officials say those materials were set to become public.
00:35:36.920By February 9th and that the Justice Department could have simply asked for them.
00:35:41.820Why was it necessary to conduct a search warrant?
00:35:45.920And do you expect the affidavit in that search warrant matter to become public anytime soon?
00:35:50.360Or do you have any comment or explanation as to why that was necessary?
00:35:53.680Listen, I'm not going to comment on – it's a criminal investigation.
00:35:58.600I will say that it should be no surprise to anybody in this room that – or anybody watching – that election integrity is extraordinary.
00:36:06.920It's extraordinarily important to this administration, always has been and always will be.
00:36:10.780And so the fact that President Trump and this administration are investigating to make sure that – well, are investigating issues around elections to make sure that we do have completely fair and appropriate elections should not be surprising.
00:36:27.420But I can't comment on any criminal investigations.
00:36:30.200To follow up on that, regarding Fulton County, can you explain Tulsi Gabbard's role in DOJ activities?
00:36:37.040Could you please explain Tulsi Gabbard's role in DOJ activity regarding the Fulton County search?
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00:45:05.600No, that was new information, I think.
00:45:07.080He acted, Jack Bosobich's with us also.
00:45:11.640Jack, he handled that like, and I kind of like Todd's style.
00:45:16.160I know you don't, but I don't think he's snippy.
00:45:18.880I just think he handles the press pretty well.
00:45:21.140Did you know that there was a DOJ and FBI investigation in the shooting of Preddy and focused on the ICE officers as a civil rights matter?
00:45:31.100Well, Steve, that's something that I think is coming as news to a lot of people.
00:45:37.440And look, we know that the agents were put on leave.
00:45:40.320I believe it was Border Patrol, actually, not ICE.
00:45:42.780And so people, that's one of the big things there because there was sort of this jurisdictional turf, you know, kind of almost like a turf scuffle between the two agencies there on the ground, the Border Patrol and ICE.
00:45:56.720But the idea that there's a civil rights investigation, that's new, I think, to a lot of people.
00:46:02.480Looking at the situation, of course, obviously, anytime there's an officer involved shooting, we know that there's going to be an internal investigation.
00:46:09.980And that, as he mentioned, would be under Secretary Noem and the auspices of the Department of Homeland Security.
00:46:16.740But if there is an investigation into Alex Preddy, I certainly hope that that investigation would include his involvement in the signal groups, his involvement in these anti-ICE Antifa organizations such as Ice Watch, this reporting that Mike Howell has over from the Oversight Project, that he may have been one of these Antifa spotters.
00:46:37.600So are you, you're implying that you think there's enough evidence out there, there ought to be invested, Preddy ought to be investigated for his role in Antifa, or Antifa-affiliated organizations, which Antifa has been designated in domestic case.
00:46:52.960They keep showing up everywhere, everywhere Border Patrol is, everywhere the convoys are, everywhere that ICE is in Minneapolis.
00:46:59.180This guy just magically happens to be walking down the street.
00:47:04.720Or does it make more sense that he was involved in these organizations that were targeting and creating the chaos, creating the disruption?
00:47:12.040Or, as President Trump said yesterday, an agitator and perhaps an insurrectionist, Alex Preddy?
00:47:19.100Yeah, he said his stock went way down.
00:47:22.140Also, before I go back to Jan about the book, I want you to hang on, if you hang on through the break.
00:47:26.240The Wall Street Journal has reported that the overall investigation of the stealing of the 2020 election, not the criminal part, the criminal part's being handled by the FBI and DOJ, but that the overall investigation to the stealing of the 2020 election is being handled by Tulsi Gabbard.
00:47:45.900He implied that, I thought he implied that she really wasn't having much to do with that.
00:47:53.100There was some national security aspect to it.
00:47:55.060What is your read from how Todd answered that question?
00:47:59.100Well, so people have to understand that the way the Department of, the DNI works, the Director of National Intelligence, so the Office of the Department, or the Director of National Intelligence is an umbrella, compendium, overarching office.
00:48:14.100And the way that it works, typically in the past, has been, you know, when Clapper was running the place and with his buddy Brennan over at CIA, the way they ran it was pretty much just a rubber stamp for whatever Barack Obama wanted.
00:48:26.700But now with Tulsi Gabbard coming in, she's come in and said, wait a minute, we've got access here and authorities for access to information from every single one of the national security agencies.
00:48:40.300That includes what? That includes FBI, that includes DHS, and that includes CISA, which would be under the auspices of DHS as well.
00:48:50.660Homeland Security, because of the fact that election infrastructure was deemed a Homeland Security protected piece of infrastructure for our elections.
00:48:59.820So any of the reporting that was done in 2020 that came up through those channels, any of the censorship, or perhaps anything else that was done electronically, shall we say, would fall under CISA.
00:49:13.260Remember, we were told again and again by, you know, the guy with the long hair, with the mullet and the fun socks back in 2020 that it was the most secure election ever, the most secure election ever.
00:49:23.000Well, guess what? All of that information is now under the authority of Tulsi Gabbard.
00:49:30.160Jack, hang on one second. The White House just notifies. They put the slaves, so we may be going to the White House with either Caroline Levitt, maybe even the president.
00:49:38.240So just everybody stick around. Jack, just one question.
00:49:42.060The timing of Tulsi Gabbard's involvement and the degree that she went down there and spent more time than the really the FBI agents or the senior FBI guys.
00:49:49.700Do you think any of that's related to Maduro, the Maduro being picked up and any information maybe coming out of Venezuela has been such a hot button issue for the MAGA, right?
00:50:00.960Look, Steve, I've heard that, you know, chatter as well as anyone. I haven't heard that officially from anyone at the DNI.
00:50:08.180I will say, though, that remember, Tulsi Gabbard set up the DIG team over there that the the director's initiative group and their job was to go into all of these things, the censorship, the election, the integrity issues, all of these pieces.
00:50:24.960And she's talked about this at cabinet meetings in the past. So not any direct ties to Maduro necessarily that she said publicly, but she has publicly said.
00:50:34.320And there was that bombshell a couple of months ago. I was actually at the White House during that cabinet meeting and had a brief moment to chat with her afterwards where she dropped the bombshell that said we have uncovered things about the 2020 election.
00:50:47.240And, you know, didn't really follow up on that. I think we're now seeing the follow up.
00:50:53.700Yeah, President Trump's applied to just hang on one second. We're going to go to the White House momentarily, and I'm sure it's going to get picked up during the Charlie Kirk show.
00:51:01.220They've notified us that they're going to come out and make some statements.
00:51:04.780Jan, let me go back. Peter Schweitzer's book is a number one bestseller and the Warren Posse audience had a lot to do with that.
00:51:12.720This is about the Chinese Communist Party and the Mexican government's involvement.
00:51:16.800The subtitle is How American Elites and Foreign Powers Use Immigration as a Weapon.
00:51:21.780You have worked on your book for 20 years. Tell me about this, because now we're coming forward and we are going to drive as hard as possible to make sure this book is a New York Times number one bestseller.
00:51:32.180Talk about your journey. You've worked on this for 20 years.
00:51:35.060You've done amazing interviews, Epoch Times, you're American thought leaders, but to get down and take all the research, because this thing is as documented as Peter Schweitzer's, talk to us about the journey and why is this such a big component of your life?
00:51:49.900Over at Epoch Times, you've got so much stuff going on.
00:51:52.800You guys are the leading voice as a newspaper and content of the anti-CCP movement.
00:51:59.580We would hope War Room will be equivalent to you as a streaming platform, but why have you turned your entire life over to doing this and exposing this?
00:52:09.940Well, this is a crime yet to be seen on this planet.
00:52:14.760To quote David Matus, who was one of the original researchers, to describe this,
00:52:18.740this is not your garden variety black market organ industry situation.
00:52:23.580This is a thing, and I started talking about this yesterday, and of course, the president cut us off.
00:52:35.060You need to be able to push mass propaganda through a population and dehumanize a group of people.
00:52:40.080And you need to be able to incarcerate a huge number of those people, maybe a million or something like that.
00:52:44.680And this is what the CCP did to Falun Gong practitioners back in 1999 and 2000, when Jiang Zemin, the dictator,
00:52:52.260basically decided this peaceful movement based on truthfulness, compassion, forbearance, was going to get wiped out, to use his words, eradicated.
00:53:00.820And they made these people less than human through the propaganda.
00:53:04.920They put millions of them in prisons, in the laborers' camps, and everything else.
00:53:09.300And then they started blood typing, tissue typing, organ scanning them, okay?
00:53:13.660They created a database of their vitals.
00:53:16.340And now someone here in America or some other country basically could see an ad, and this happened many times, and say,
00:53:24.460For 200 grand, I can get it done in two weeks or less in communist China, meaning that they knew when someone was going to die.
00:53:31.100And the reason they knew that was that they already had that person pre-typed, in prison, ready to go, ready to be killed to order.
00:53:38.740And that's why that's the name of the book, the title of the book, Killed to Order.
00:53:44.860You're saying that they actually, once they knew what the demand side was, they could go back and create their own supply side?
00:53:51.100They would actually kill these people?
00:53:52.640The book is going to show us systematically, so there's no doubt that they could actually murder people?
00:53:58.900The state, the Chinese Communist Party, the state of China, not the Chinese people, but the state of China,
00:54:04.220could actually kill people to order for their organs and to monetize that?
00:54:08.740Well, to our best knowledge, and there's a number of really incredible, I basically bring together all of the research that's been done over the last 20 years, and some of it is unbelievable.
00:54:20.020I mean, I'll give you an example, Steve, 2022, American Journal of Transplantation.
00:54:24.920There's a paper title that I kid you not, okay, Execution by Organ Procurement.
00:54:29.880They actually published that title in the American Journal of Transplantation.
00:54:32.900The researchers looked at the Chinese transplant literature.
00:54:36.280This is the public Chinese transplant literature that's available, okay, for anyone to look at.
00:54:40.960They found 71 instances of dead donor rule violations, very clear violations of the dead donor rule in the published public Chinese transplant literature.
00:55:00.180I'm not saying the other, the ethical way, it never happens, but it's happening at such a scale that they've kind of forgotten that you can't do dead donor.
00:55:09.020You can't, do you know what the dead donor rule violation means?
00:55:12.440It means that the person is being killed by their organs being extracted, and in the published literature, there's at least 70 instances of that,
00:55:19.760and that is not by no means a comprehensive look at the literature.
00:55:47.220And that'll take you right to the Amazon link, and I want to encourage you to pre-order.
00:55:51.680Steve, I really appreciate your endorsement for this.
00:55:54.300I mean, you even said in that endorsement, you said, you know, this is going to shock you, and you're going to want to go pray after this.
00:56:00.820Whenever I think about it, I feel the same.
00:56:03.940So, anyway, thank you for giving this an audience, because for decades, okay, I've worked on this for 20 years.
00:56:10.260For the longest time, it was just very hard to even talk about it, because the human mind does not want to believe that such things are possible.
00:56:17.500Such extreme violations of human dignity are even possible.
00:56:25.880And also, I think the COVID years also showed us some of the depravities that are possible.
00:56:31.260I think we're finally, as a collective conscious of society, ready to face this issue and understand, and this is the bigger part of the book, in a sense, that this is how communist China works.
00:56:41.700And we have to understand this, and then we'll know how to deal with them in a more reasonable way.
00:56:46.280The communists I'm talking about, not the Chinese people.
00:56:49.440I want to go to Jack about the CCP, but give me one minute on your summary you gave about the power movement of Xi in the military staff, because we're a unique opportunity to get Jack Posobiec, a naval intelligence officer, to comment.
00:57:07.600Well, look, the bottom line is, you know, there was a kind of a, not a coup, but basically the military took a lot of control back from Xi last year.
00:57:16.280Right now, what's happened with this top military general being deposed, okay, being investigated, is basically Xi having taken back his power, okay?
00:57:26.360The problem is that to do that, he basically destroyed all semblance of rule structure in the system, and he's actually basically, in a way, crippled the CCP's, especially the military's, ability to respond right now.
00:57:39.500So it's like, it also creates a bit of instability, so we don't know exactly how this is going to play out.
00:57:43.860But this is a once-in-a-decade, perhaps once-in-a-generation shift, and, you know, a lot of chaos going on there right now.
00:57:57.900Yeah, look, Steve, you know, I'm one of these guys who, as a China hand, I take a bit of a contrarian position to sort of the Gordon Changs and some of the other analysts out there.
00:58:08.180I'm long Xi Jinping, you know, this guy has had a remarkable ability over the last 15 years or so to be able to take out his rivals.
00:58:18.740He's been doing so since he got rid of Bo Xilai and the mayor of Chongqing, and his wife, by the way, who was his main rival for the presidency early on, and the chairmanship of the CCP.
00:58:30.360He's been able to do this left and right to all of his rivals.
00:58:34.840And so, you know, look, the communists are conducting another purge.
00:58:37.600This is exactly what we see in communist systems and communist regimes.
00:58:44.080But Xi has been able and shown this remarkable resiliency to be able to weather these storms and bend the party to his will like no chairman that we've seen since the days of Mao Zedong himself.
00:58:55.540I agree. Is this foreshadow that he's getting his team in place and getting rid of the guys that he doesn't think to do it for the invasion of Taiwan?
00:59:06.220Perhaps. You know, I think that I still think that, of course, that Xi Jinping's policy is, of course, to absorb Taiwan through osmosis, cut them off from the rest of the world culturally, militarily, economically,
00:59:19.280and then absorb them long, long frame over time rather than a direct invasion like we saw with Russia and Ukraine or, you know, any of these other, you know, the U.S. and Venezuela, this type of thing.
00:59:30.960That being said, if he actually felt like he was threatened, then you would see that.
00:59:51.300She just announced she's making a surprise appearance at, wait for it, Washington, D.C., the winter meeting of the National Association of the Secretaries of State.
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