Bannon's War Room - Episode 5112： Coup Against Xi Or Growing In Power

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:00:07.000 Pray for our enemies.

00:00:09.000 Because we're going medieval on these people.

00:00:12.000 The reason I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:17.000 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:19.000 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:20.000 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:00:22.000 but you're not going to stop it.

00:00:23.000 It's going to happen.

00:00:24.000 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:00:27.000 MAGA Media.

00:00:29.000 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:34.000 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:38.000 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:44.000 War Room.

00:00:45.000 Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

00:00:50.000 It's Monday, 2 February in the year of an alert, 2026.

00:00:53.000 Peter Schweitzer's on deck.

00:00:55.000 Natalie Winters, Captain Fennell.

00:00:56.000 I've got Dr. Navarro, our trade czar.

00:01:00.000 So, Dr. Navarro, Kevin Warsh, he was the cover bid back when, you know, for some reason, due diligence, not enough due diligence was done on Powell and he was selected.

00:01:12.000 Kevin's got some very interesting, sophisticated thoughts about growth, non-inflationary growth to hit these kind of hyper growth targets the president is talking about, 4%, 5%, maybe even higher, and not have inflation with increases in productivity.

00:01:27.000 It's one of the reasons, I think, central reasons that he was selected, although maybe on monetary policy he's not 100% on board.

00:01:35.000 But it's this growth with no inflation because that's what 2026 is going to be about.

00:01:40.000 You tackle both the affordability issue and with growth and with maybe turbo growth.

00:01:46.000 Is that why you say this could be the best year in a long time for the American economy is 2026, given what you guys accomplish, both with trade, the commercial relationships, the supply side tax cut to go into plant and equipment?

00:02:02.120 And eventually, by May, at the latest, we won't have too late Powell around, sir?

00:02:07.680 Steve, you said something really, really important here, because there's a seeming contradiction between Kevin Warsh's hawkish view on inflation and wanting a strong dollar versus what we want, which is a lower interest rate environment.

00:02:27.740 Okay, and here's how you square that circle.

00:02:29.840 What Jay Powell, arguably the dumbest, most malevolent Fed chairman we've had in our history, has never been able to understand is how Trump policies, including tariffs, can actually produce non-inflationary strong growth. 0.83

00:02:51.440 He just didn't get the paradigm. 0.95

00:02:53.620 He assumed back in 2018, when we were rocking and rolling, that somehow as the economy was accelerating, that that had to create inflation.

00:03:03.940 He couldn't wrap around his head around deregulation, strategic energy dominance, tariffs, basically leading to strong non-inflationary growth.

00:03:16.740 So the hope here is that Kevin Warsh understands that.

00:03:22.100 So it can be no longer a contradiction that he's an inflation hawk, and yet he will lower interest rates because he understands how the Trump economy works.

00:03:34.600 And so that's the most important thing I'm probably going to tell you in the next two months, because that's what we need to watch.

00:03:41.020 We need to watch Warsh's rhetoric, and we need to watch exactly what he did.

00:03:45.180 And by the way, Steve, I don't know.

00:03:47.340 Nobody should think that the Fed chairman is God and can simply determine interest rate policy.

00:03:52.660 He's stuck, essentially, with a hostile majority on the Federal Reserve Board until we clean house.

00:04:01.640 The big question is going to be whether Powell resigns or not.

00:04:06.720 If he sticks around, he'll try to screw us.

00:04:09.900 And there's the whole week.

00:04:11.060 I think President Trump said this about Hassett coming out of the race.

00:04:18.360 He likes the team he's got.

00:04:20.660 He's made bets on these policies.

00:04:23.280 They're starting to work.

00:04:24.740 He's got bets in the Treasury, Hassett at NEC.

00:04:27.660 He's got Jameson Greer as the trade czar.

00:04:29.580 He's got you as your manufacturing guy.

00:04:32.180 He likes the team he's got in place.

00:04:33.780 You guys are all in harness, pulling.

00:04:35.780 You just don't need a too-late Powell.

00:04:37.880 You used the word malevolent, and I think you're absolutely correct. 1.00

00:04:40.700 I think there's a lot of animosity there by Powell to President Trump's populist nationalist policies, which are clearly working.

00:04:48.340 And he's part of the globalist old guard that's going to fight this.

00:04:51.820 Peter, I want to tell the audience, you're putting up these little clips every day to explain it in layman's terms.

00:04:58.620 Where do we go get all your content, sir?

00:05:01.420 Just go to PeterRivar.com.

00:05:03.400 It's the gateway to the podcast.

00:05:06.400 It's called the Navarro Express.

00:05:08.160 It's the gateway to the Substack.

00:05:10.440 It's the gateway to X, Getter, and Truth.

00:05:15.360 And we're really putting out some really good content.

00:05:18.120 The videos are kind of 60-second videos, Steve.

00:05:20.920 We're getting close to a million hits on those things now every time they go up.

00:05:24.840 And the important part about them is that they actually explain in lay terms the nuances of economic policy, which is kind of hard to do, but somehow we pull it off.

00:05:38.560 So check it out, PeterRivar.com.

00:05:40.780 And, Steve, you're at the forefront of economics commentary.

00:05:46.560 You know, it's like I think people learn more listening to your show than they do listening to the financial news or certainly reading, you know, the Journal or Bloomberg or the FT, which are all – they're all colored. 0.97

00:06:01.380 They all have an internal bias, a Wall Street bias against the Trump policy.

00:06:07.560 The neoliberalism, yes.

00:06:08.520 Somehow we're going to win this one because when people have more food on their table at cheaper prices, bigger paychecks, better retirement, houses that they can buy for a change, they're going to say, yeah, Trumponomics is what works, trust in Trump.

00:06:27.380 He's got the right team.

00:06:30.140 He's got the right policy.

00:06:31.040 I think he was very clear on the Walsh pick.

00:06:33.920 I like Hassett at NEC.

00:06:35.160 The White House is working great with Treasury.

00:06:38.780 We have a great team.

00:06:40.240 And don't forget Howard Letnick, okay?

00:06:42.880 Howard Letnick of Commerce.

00:06:44.380 There's five of us here.

00:06:45.680 And Howard, I mean, Commerce has a tremendous role to play with the 232 investigations and the anti-dumping, countervailing duties.

00:06:54.800 Jameson over at USTR is lead point on all of negotiating.

00:06:59.560 You know, Scott's kind of the master of the international finance system.

00:07:05.980 And Kevin has a fine touch in terms of understanding kind of the basic macro indicators.

00:07:12.960 And he played a big role, Steve, in the big, beautiful bill.

00:07:17.000 And that's always been Kevin's wheelhouse is taxes.

00:07:19.800 So I can't think of a better team for President Trump this time around.

00:07:25.160 And by the way, Jay Powell, Mnuchin's following, okay?

00:07:30.160 That was Steve Mnuchin.

00:07:32.220 President Trump, when he's unshackled from that, I think he sees it.

00:07:36.260 You could have non-inflationary growth rates of 4% and 5%.

00:07:39.140 I mean, like you said, this is unheard of.

00:07:41.720 Anyway, Peter, I know you've got to bolt.

00:07:43.300 All right, brother.

00:07:43.980 We'll put the videos up.

00:07:45.320 Thank you so much, sir.

00:07:45.840 I love that picture that the boss put out on Truth of you and I.

00:07:50.520 I don't know where they got it, but thank you.

00:07:52.960 That was a great wedding.

00:07:54.660 Two other great ones.

00:07:55.680 The great Dan Scavino, one of the best guys, got married this weekend at Mar-a-Lago.

00:08:00.640 And, of course, Alice Brusiewicz.

00:08:02.840 A lot of folks went down for that.

00:08:04.260 Alice got married also this weekend.

00:08:06.940 So big events in MAGA World.

00:08:09.140 I got a cold open for Peter Schweitzer.

00:08:12.080 I want to play this.

00:08:13.020 It's going to be in Spanish, so we may not be able to understand all.

00:08:17.440 If you've got the TV, you'll see the closed caption.

00:08:19.820 Let's go ahead.

00:08:20.400 These are Mexican officials responding to Peter Schweitzer's invisible coup, which is the New York Times' number one bestseller.

00:08:33.220 We're not bringing on chopped liver here.

00:08:35.340 Only the best.

00:08:36.140 New York Times' number one bestseller for a conservative book is almost unheard of.

00:08:40.100 Let's see what the Mexican government had to say about his New York Times' number one bestseller, Invisible Coup.

00:08:45.680 Ayer salió un comunicado de la Secretaría de Relaciones Exteriores.

00:08:51.980 Es una persona que escribió este libro.

00:08:54.980 De ahí retomaron...

00:08:56.480 Es un libro que dice que desde los consulados estamos haciendo política para Estados Unidos, o en Estados Unidos.

00:09:04.940 Cosa que es absolutamente falsa.

00:09:07.180 Los consulados tienen una labor que está determinada por las leyes internacionales.

00:09:14.020 Y lo que hacen nuestros consulados esencialmente es la protección de los mexicanos en Estados Unidos y la atención de los mexicanos en Estados Unidos.

00:09:23.020 Esa es su labor.

00:09:23.640 Thank you.

00:09:25.500 Peter, as we say in the narrative warfare business, you drew blood.

00:09:30.960 What was the president of Mexico's not a big fan of your book, although she might have bought a couple of three copies to have it read by her cabinet.

00:09:40.520 What was her response?

00:09:41.700 You actually said there are members in these Mexican consulates.

00:09:45.300 They got 53.

00:09:46.680 When every other big nation in the world has got four or five or six.

00:09:49.280 You've got guys in the Senate that have maps.

00:09:52.580 I think it was a map in the back of one of the things that the United States of Mexico has got areas of the United States in it.

00:09:58.060 You called these guys out, not the cartels, not the seven families that own the country, but the political class up there for actively working on this invasion.

00:10:08.400 Or as you say in your subtitle, using immigration as a weapon.

00:10:13.100 Their response, sir, what was her response directly to you?

00:10:17.540 Well, it's funny.

00:10:18.600 Actually, she didn't use my name.

00:10:21.320 She was asked about the book with my name, and she said that man with that book was the way that she described me.

00:10:28.620 What's funny about her response, Steve, is she says, no, it's absolutely false.

00:10:32.580 But the book, I know you've read it, the book literally quotes Mexican consular officials as saying this is what they're doing.

00:10:40.020 You know, they're meeting amongst themselves.

00:10:42.940 They're talking about how they're conspiring against Trump to prevent Republicans from getting elected.

00:10:49.300 There are quotes in there from consular officials saying that they're paying for people to apply for citizenship because they want to get more voters.

00:10:56.780 So she's denying the facts of what her own people are saying.

00:11:01.380 And it's funny, Steve, because as much as they are open and saying this amongst themselves, they are desperate to make sure that the majority of American people don't pay attention.

00:11:12.460 I want to read to you yet another quote.

00:11:15.060 This is from the head of the Mexican news agency, and this is what he said, which I think captures it perfectly.

00:11:23.240 He says, quote, we are quietly carrying out the reconquest of our territories the U.S. took from us in 1848.

00:11:30.120 The reconquest of the Aztec territory is silent, and the day the gringos realize this, their diabolical fundamentalism will become macabre. 1.00

00:11:40.220 In other words, we don't want them to really figure out what's going on.

00:11:44.060 This is the guy, by the way, who's the head literally of, like, the Associated Press of Mexico.

00:11:48.940 So they're scared and they're nervous, and I appreciate the war room and the war room posse buying the book.

00:11:56.280 We are number one on the New York Times list, despite the fact that nobody in the establishment media wanted that to happen.

00:12:03.300 No, they still refuse to review it because there's too many truths in here.

00:12:06.580 I want to hold you through the break.

00:12:07.780 Before you go to break, this, to have a, in Mexico, a journalist actually ask her about this book shows you how afraid they are because the media class down there, et cetera, is very tuned into what's the government's happening.

00:12:24.260 So this clearly, they're hearing that, hey, this guy Schweitzer, who's very prominent in the MAGA movement, has written five New York Times bestsellers in a row.

00:12:32.980 This is number one New York Times.

00:12:35.000 So this book's getting a wide, a wide hearing, Invisible Coup. 0.95

00:12:38.920 It was dangerous enough that they felt they had to ask her, and it sounded like she wanted to get out in front of this, too, saying, this man is a total liar. 0.85

00:12:49.840 This is what the gringos do. 1.00

00:12:51.660 It's a complete and total lie.

00:12:53.100 I mean, are you pretty impressed that the book would have that impact in Mexico and they just wouldn't say, schluff it off, we don't have to address this?

00:13:00.360 Clearly, they felt they had to address it.

00:13:02.520 Yeah, and you also had the Mexican ambassador to the United States go on with Maria Bartiromo yesterday on Fox News on her Sunday show, and she asked him about it.

00:13:13.800 And we got the same kind of answer, which was, oh, no, no, we would absolutely never do that.

00:13:20.040 So they clearly are scared.

00:13:21.880 They clearly are nervous. 0.70

00:13:23.080 Scheinbaum also, in her responses to the book, also attempted to sort of separate Trump from me, saying, well, this guy's kind of crazy and Trump doesn't buy into this stuff.

00:13:36.280 Obviously, I'm not going to speak for President Trump, but I did meet with him, and we talked about the book, and he sent out a very nice comment on True Social, appraising the book, telling everybody to buy it.

00:13:47.720 So they're clearly nervous.

00:13:49.300 And I would add, Steve, we're starting to slowly get the wheels grinding in Washington.

00:13:54.900 I've been asked by Senator Schmidt in Missouri to testify before the Judiciary Committee in March on the China birthright citizenship.

00:14:03.040 And I think we're going to start getting some action in some of the other government agencies to really start taking the fight to the people that have weaponized immigration against us.

00:14:12.480 If you just stay through the break, in fact, I want to pivot next to China. 0.97

00:14:15.800 Xi put out a notice over the weekend that he intends to have the Chinese currency compete with the United States as a prime reserve currency.

00:14:25.660 If you read Peter's book, Invisible Coup, you understand that the strategies of Mexico and the CCP are quite different.

00:14:33.560 They're two foreign powers. 0.82

00:14:34.860 They're using immigration as a weapon against us. 0.99

00:14:37.860 The Chinese Communist Party, I think, has grander designs.

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00:16:29.760 To Peter Schweitzer's comments there.

00:16:32.820 First of all, thank you for having me, Maria.

00:16:37.160 I think that facts are much better than opinions.

00:16:41.320 And I just want to tell you that when he says that we're working against President Trump, you know that the vote of Latinos to President Trump rose from 28% in 2016 to 48% in 2025.

00:17:04.400 Mexican migration has been dropping constantly since 2000.

00:17:12.820 And so what you see is that reality offers a very different view.

00:17:17.640 Mexican and United States government are working very, very closely in order to tackle the migratory issue.

00:17:29.220 You've heard President Trump saying in the U.N. and in Davos that the border is the most secure border in the world.

00:17:38.540 And regarding security, you know that deaths because of fentanyl overdose have dropped 27% in the U.S.

00:17:46.880 And that's because President Xi Jinping has been very, very tough against Mexican cartels.

00:17:55.100 You know that she sent 10,000 soldiers to the border.

00:17:58.920 She has apprehended 24,000 people.

00:18:03.360 And they have destroyed about 1,700 labs in Mexico.

00:18:08.940 So the thing that you can see is that Mexico is part of the solution, not the problem.

00:18:17.020 You know, my eyes aren't what they used to be, Peter Schweitzer, but the ambassador for Mexico to the United States.

00:18:22.640 Is he sitting in front of a map that says the United States of Mexico and it's got like territories of the United States in it, sir?

00:18:29.860 Yeah, it literally says that right across the United States.

00:18:33.800 That is the name of Mexico, but it is ironic because President Scheinbaum talks about, you know, the United States being Mexico North.

00:18:42.880 And it's funny because I just want to read to you.

00:18:45.140 This is a song that President Scheinbaum had commissioned.

00:18:49.780 This is a song they play at Mexico at all the official events.

00:18:53.080 It's called The Migrant Hymn. 0.98

00:18:55.360 And this is how helpful they're being, Steve.

00:18:57.620 It says, and though my birth certificate says American, I am pure Mexican.

00:19:02.660 We change places, but not flags.

00:19:04.720 I carry green, white, and red in my veins.

00:19:07.140 That's the color of their flag.

00:19:08.760 Like the eagle, we fly without borders.

00:19:12.160 We break through the fence that separates lands.

00:19:14.880 And I could go on and on and on.

00:19:16.720 The point is they have a public posture, which is no, no, no, no.

00:19:20.520 We're partners.

00:19:21.340 We're dealing with this issue.

00:19:22.740 And then they have all this stuff that they are doing.

00:19:24.920 They talk about it amongst themselves in Mexico.

00:19:27.940 So it's time to cast off these official statements and deal with the realities of the things that they say amongst themselves, which I think is completely shocking and contrary to everything they're saying in public.

00:19:40.020 No, you've nailed the subtitle of the book is how American elites and foreign powers use immigration as a weapon.

00:19:46.040 They're using it as a weapon for the reconquista.

00:19:48.260 The book is Invisible Coup.

00:19:49.520 We want it on New York Times number one for two weeks in a row.

00:19:52.760 So we've got to buy today and tomorrow.

00:19:56.080 Peter, China, different.

00:19:59.020 China has a strategic goal to become a hegemon.

00:20:02.120 And that is to make the United States not a co-hegemon, not a competing power.

00:20:07.040 All these theories inside the Pentagon and the State Department.

00:20:10.100 These guys want total, complete and full domination.

00:20:13.020 You can see that in your book of what they're trying to do.

00:20:15.540 Right now, I'm going to have Natalie and Captain Fennell on.

00:20:18.480 Is there a coup going on?

00:20:19.720 Is she consolidating power? 0.97

00:20:22.060 But in your book, it is a very well thought through strategic plan to take down the United States.

00:20:28.260 Is it not, sir?

00:20:28.940 Yeah, absolutely.

00:20:30.980 And immigration is a part of that.

00:20:32.880 And Steve, they're using techniques that they tried to use in Hong Kong.

00:20:36.880 The Hong Kong government shut down birthright citizenship for Chinese because around 2010,

00:20:43.620 half of all the births in Hong Kong were Chinese nationals who were flying into that country to give birth

00:20:49.740 because Hong Kong had birthright citizenship.

00:20:52.140 So they shut it down because they saw what it was, a subversive effort to gain further influence in that country.

00:21:01.040 And of course, now Hong Kong is all gone, essentially.

00:21:04.540 They're doing the same thing in the United States.

00:21:06.360 We're obviously bigger than Hong Kong, but the scale is unbelievable.

00:21:11.180 We in the United States have no idea how many birthright citizens are being minted every day

00:21:16.820 because we don't track that data, which in and of itself is shocking.

00:21:20.520 When you get a birth certificate in the United States, it does not list the nationality of the parents.

00:21:26.220 And our federal government says we have no idea how many people are doing this.

00:21:30.520 But the Chinese do. 0.98

00:21:31.940 The Chinese government does.

00:21:33.420 And Chinese research firms do.

00:21:35.380 And those numbers are shocking.

00:21:37.460 They say that over the last 13 years, every year, roughly 100,000 Chinese nationals have flown to the United States,

00:21:46.700 given birth to a child in the U.S., got the birthright citizenship.

00:21:51.480 And as soon as the baby was, you know, old enough and capable, they fly back to China where they are being raised. 0.98

00:21:58.700 And when they are 18 years old, even though they lived here for a week after they were born,

00:22:04.380 they are U.S. citizens.

00:22:05.700 And they're going to be able to vote.

00:22:07.520 They're going to be able to donate to political campaigns.

00:22:10.220 They're going to be able to apply for, you know, sensitive government jobs,

00:22:13.500 even though they have lived in China their entire life and they're the children of the Chinese elite.

00:22:18.940 So this is a massive manipulation of our immigration system.

00:22:23.580 I'm hoping that the Supreme Court, when they hear this case,

00:22:26.640 they are going to factor in the research in the book,

00:22:29.920 which points out this is not rando stuff where somebody just kind of wanders across the border.

00:22:36.300 They, you know, they're working a job here for 18 years.

00:22:38.860 They happen to give birth. 0.66

00:22:40.320 They're staying here.

00:22:42.080 That's an issue in and of itself.

00:22:43.900 But what China is doing is industrial scale.

00:22:46.940 It's on a massive scale.

00:22:48.540 And it needs to be nipped in the bud.

00:22:51.580 They're doing the same thing, Steve, with the EB-5 visas, you know,

00:22:54.720 those corrupt visas where you can basically give a million dollars.

00:22:58.400 You create jobs, allegedly.

00:23:01.140 You get permanent resident status in the United States.

00:23:04.060 That visa program, the EB-5 program, was written by a Chinese spy named Maria Tsai. 0.66

00:23:10.080 We now know that she was a spy when she pushed for and got that bill passed. 0.57

00:23:14.280 We know it's dominated by the Chinese.

00:23:16.360 Ninety percent of the people getting EB-5 permanent resident status are Chinese.

00:23:21.080 And we know the reason that they want it.

00:23:23.420 They want it not so much to live in the United States,

00:23:26.420 because very few of them do.

00:23:28.800 They want it because when you get permanent resident status in the United States,

00:23:32.600 you can legally donate to political campaigns.

00:23:36.020 And they're doing it to the tune of tens of millions of dollars.

00:23:39.440 And those donations break 80-20 Democrat-Republican.

00:23:43.020 Peter Schweitzer, the book is Invisible Coup.

00:23:47.000 You're making it visible.

00:23:48.300 New York Times, number one bestseller.

00:23:50.500 Many people are piling into this.

00:23:51.740 Where do they go?

00:23:52.260 Social media and your site to get this book and get it today and get one for a friend also.

00:23:58.340 Anybody thinks that you're over the top on what you're saying about the invasion of this country,

00:24:03.360 get this book for them, and they will actually agree with you.

00:24:06.260 Peter, where do they go?

00:24:07.860 You can go to at Peter Schweitzer on Twitter.

00:24:10.940 You can go to thedrilldown.com.

00:24:13.020 That's my podcast.

00:24:14.740 And you can also find me on Facebook.

00:24:16.840 And you can find me at peterschweitzer.com.

00:24:20.460 Peter, fantastic.

00:24:21.440 Look forward to your testimony.

00:24:22.920 We'll have you on a couple, three times before that to make sure the audience is fully up to speed.

00:24:26.500 Eric Schmidt, what a great senator.

00:24:28.240 Thank you, Peter.

00:24:29.240 Let's get this book number one two weeks in a row.

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00:24:34.100 When the Mexican government is responding to questions from Maria Bartiroma and Scheinbaum's trying to defend it by, you know, spinning, you got something serious.

00:24:43.800 Do we have Captain Fennell?

00:24:45.820 Captain Fennell, can you make sense?

00:24:47.560 We've had different posts.

00:24:48.820 We've had people from the new federal state, other experts.

00:24:52.340 What's going on in China, because that's going to inform our discussion with Natalie Winters.

00:24:56.320 Is this a coup by the military to try to take out Xi, or is this a Xi consolidation of power?

00:25:01.280 Is Xi on the ropes, or is he more powerful than ever, sir?

00:25:06.880 Xi is more powerful than ever, and I've been very concerned, and I've expressed it to you offline, that there seems to be a large amount of Internet traffic coming to us, telling us that Xi is, you know, isolated, under threat, has no control over the PLA.

00:25:27.220 It's been a coup against him.

00:25:29.120 Others say he was having a coup against the PLA.

00:25:32.020 A year ago, they said the general that Xi just purged was consolidating things for Xi.

00:25:38.980 There are a lot of rumors out there, and if you go back over the last three or four years, there's been rumors about Chinese ballistic missile submarines sinking in the East China Sea.

00:25:48.620 Xi that turned out to not be true.

00:25:50.340 They told us that Xi had had a heart attack or a stroke.

00:25:52.960 That turned out to not be true.

00:25:54.600 And now they're telling us that Xi is, you know, at risk and isolated, and that there is no capability in the PLA, that the PLA will not fight for him.

00:26:04.380 And these are all really wrong rumors that are not based upon fact.

00:26:10.940 We have just seen over the last, you know, five years, China has increased their flights around Taiwan by fivefold.

00:26:19.060 They went from over 380 flights in 2020 to 5,700 flights this last year.

00:26:25.620 They're flying across the Taiwan Strait.

00:26:27.620 They never flew across the Taiwan Strait with military aircraft for 60 years, and since 2020, they're flying 1,000 times a year across the Strait.

00:26:38.760 They're doing exercises, firing missiles at Taiwan.

00:26:42.140 The PLA Navy is the largest in the world.

00:26:44.360 They have the most anti-ship cruise missiles in the world.

00:26:47.600 Xi reformed the PLA in 2015 from seven military regions to five theater commands.

00:26:54.520 They have an information support force that they didn't have before that supports all the theater commands.

00:27:00.560 They have a joint logistic support force that supports the five theater commands.

00:27:05.220 And they are actually expanding their military operations around the world, not just in the Far East, but with the Russians in the Sea of Japan, in the Arctic, in the Mediterranean, down off of South Africa here in the last month.

00:27:19.020 So what we're seeing from all military evidence is that the PLA is on this trajectory.

00:27:26.860 It's going up.

00:27:27.900 There has been no declination in any way, shape, or form over the last 13 years since Xi has been in power.

00:27:34.580 It continues to increase.

00:27:36.040 And we just saw in the last two weeks, since all this rumors of this alleged coup, Xi is meeting with the prime minister of Canada, the prime minister of Finland.

00:27:47.320 He's meeting with the prime minister of Uruguay right now.

00:27:50.680 He's going to meet with the chancellor of Germany next week.

00:27:53.840 So he's meeting with all these leaders.

00:27:56.440 There's been reports of gunfire and shooting in the streets of Beijing.

00:28:00.840 It's all wild, wild speculation.

00:28:04.660 And I don't want to assert why people are doing this, but I think some people have a hope that things are cracking in China and they're trying to feed this mindset.

00:28:14.800 But the reality is that's not happening.

00:28:17.200 And Xi is in greater control.

00:28:19.120 And the risk to an invasion of Taiwan is greater today than ever before.

00:28:23.460 Captain, hang on for one second.

00:28:24.720 We'll hold you to the break.

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00:31:45.180 Natalie Winters, by the way, when Peter Schweitzer told me, Natalie, that he thinks you're the single best investigator into things on the Chinese Communist Party,

00:31:53.880 that's a pretty high compliment coming from a guy that's had back-to-back New York Times number one bestsellers about the Chinese Communist Party.

00:32:00.400 But Peter knows your diligence and reads your stuff and studies it like every China hand does. 1.00

00:32:06.620 You just had Captain Fennell, who is, you know, former senior naval intelligence out in the Pacific fleet and really gave up his career to warn the nation during the Obama presidency about the rise of the Chinese military,

00:32:18.760 and particularly the Chinese Navy, and what dilemma that was going to put us into in Taiwan, Eastern Europe, Eastern Asia, you know, Taiwan Straits, South China Sea, East China Sea, plus the Pacific Islands that are American territories.

00:32:35.180 You've been doing a lot of independent research recently.

00:32:37.800 I know you went to Asia and just came back again for the second time to Japan.

00:32:44.100 Jim, when Captain Fennell was walking through it, didn't talk about the UK.

00:32:48.240 I think one of the most humiliating things I've ever seen is Starmer going over there.

00:32:52.300 I think it was last week.

00:32:53.920 And what it showed me is what I was talking to the captain about, the long memory of the Chinese and the Chinese Communist Party.

00:33:00.600 This ritual humiliation of Starmer while he was kowtowing shows you they have not forgotten the opium war. 0.76

00:33:08.320 They have not forgotten what happened around Hong Kong.

00:33:11.020 They have not forgotten how they thought they had to kowtow to the British Empire.

00:33:15.420 Ma'am, you've been doing a lot of research.

00:33:16.760 Talk to me first about the string of meetings that she's had with these foreign leaders over the last couple weeks.

00:33:23.220 Well, look, I think we're in an era of global fealty to China, and you're seeing that on full display right now. 0.83

00:33:28.680 And I think the past that you're discussing, which is certainly informing the present, certainly scary.

00:33:33.740 But I think what's even more concerning is really the Chinese Communist Party's conception of the future.

00:33:40.600 You know, you heard it from Mark Carney himself, right, this concept of the new world order.

00:33:44.220 That's something we've been talking about for a while, whereby China is the new sort of global hegemon replacing the United States.

00:33:50.840 And I think that when you see what's going on, particularly with the Central Military Commission and the escalation of things in Taiwan, I think it's fair to say that's going from the sort of kinetic flashpoint for all of the diplomatic meetings that you're seeing going on.

00:34:06.720 I think they're at their sixth high-level, you know, government president-to-president meeting already for 2026, like Captain Finnell said, with the Uruguayan leader there right now.

00:34:17.620 But I think what's so important to understand about the changes on the CMC, which, of course, follows, you know, significant overhaul.

00:34:24.940 Basically, everybody is gone now, the second in command, not just on the CMC, but to Xi Jinping being ousted.

00:34:32.320 I think there's sort of this common misconception that it's the older generals who are really hostile and want to move on Taiwan, when in reality, it's the younger ones, particularly those that we've seen be appointed to be commanders, sort of in the Eastern theater, obviously more relevant to Taiwan.

00:34:47.580 But those are the people who, not just because they have this sort of fealty and almost this weird, in the most traditional sense, political correctness, where they don't want to madden Xi Jinping, they don't feel like they can stand up to him.

00:34:59.880 Whereas the, you know, old guard is a little more hesitant.

00:35:02.800 You even saw that with, you know, the second in command who was just relieved or is being investigated.

00:35:07.020 Now, he was sort of more on the 2035 timeline for potentially being ready for a Taiwan invasion, as opposed to the more aggressive 2027 version.

00:35:15.320 I also think it's worth noting, too, that the individual who was just ousted, he was sort of the point person, at least for a while under Joe Biden, having sort of, you know, back channel discussions, at least military to military comms, related to Taiwan, related to a host of issues.

00:35:33.580 And I think that that dynamic is going to be very interesting to watch in the shakeup, because essentially what you're going to see is that everybody over there, no one is going to want to converse with the United States, converse with Taiwan, converse with the West, right?

00:35:48.300 Because the guy who was basically the point person on doing that was ousted, not necessarily for doing that, but I think it sets a really concerning cascade effect.

00:35:57.580 I also would point to, I think what you saw go on in Venezuela, obviously the reporting talking about how, you know, the Chinese air defense systems there failed.

00:36:05.760 That's pretty damning for the Chinese, obviously they're going to recalibrate after that, so I think that's why you've seen such a significant overhaul, too. 1.00

00:36:16.140 And I think the most important thing to understand the internal dynamics there is that the only thing that Xi Jinping fears is really a military coup, which I think you could see happen if a Taiwan invasion were to actually occur,

00:36:30.000 but more importantly to drag on in sort of a Russia-style invasion, so I think those are the relevant dynamics at play.

00:36:37.320 But I also think something that the audience really needs to stay ahead of the curve on, of course, Western media is not going to cover it.

00:36:43.320 They actually think that everything that's going on at the CMC is good for Taiwan.

00:36:46.700 I would say Taiwan should be nervous. 0.99

00:36:48.600 But that is what's going on with the KMT and the Chinese Communist Party, the KMT being the opposition to the DPP, which favors a much stronger defense, not just subsidized by America, but by Taiwan itself, against the Chinese Communist Party.

00:37:05.720 They're pushing a special defense budget right now, around 40 billion U.S. dollars that the KMT, which are basically, let's just call them what they are, the CCP over in Taiwan, are desperately trying to kill.

00:37:17.380 And really an affront to the Taiwanese people, they are, I think, concluding shortly, but making really a concerning three-day delegation trip visit to the mainland, to Beijing, meeting with high-level Chinese Communist Party officials, particularly on the Taiwan desk, visiting Tsinghua University, doing the whole pomp and circumstance, the whole tour over there, with the vice chairman of the party,

00:37:42.260 and about 40 scholars from the think tank that is affiliated with the party there, this, of course, being a precursor to having the actual chairman of the party go over there, though, of course, you know, the KMT had to do a lot of favors to the Chinese Communist Party to even get this meeting in the first place.

00:37:58.000 But this, I think, is really concerning.

00:37:59.560 Obviously, we focus on the sort of hybrid warfare, the gray zone stuff, the political infiltration, but this is pretty in your face, right?

00:38:07.040 Obviously, the KMT is pretty hollowed out by the Chinese Communist Party, but the kowtowing and the groveling, particularly over the special defense budget, obviously the Trump administration, you know, allotted billions of dollars to Taiwan, but Taiwan themselves are focusing on, particularly through the legislative yuan, trying to get the $40 billion passed.

00:38:26.400 The KMT, so that's the CCP, you know, proxy party, has 52 seats, the DPP has 51, and then the TPP has about eight seats.

00:38:36.060 So that's where you have more wiggle room with that party.

00:38:39.320 But what you're seeing really is the Chinese Communist Party, by all means necessary, trying to sabotage the special defense budget, because it's so instrumental to Taiwan's defense, but also that you've seen signaling from the United States and President Trump that they support it too. 0.67

00:38:53.340 So I think all of these things together show you that Xi Jinping is extremely emboldened, and anybody who's saying otherwise, that's just nonsense talk.

00:39:04.840 I've been hearing China's going to collapse for decades now, before I was ever born.

00:39:09.200 That's not quite true, and rhetoric like that, I think, is pretty dangerous.

00:39:13.600 Natalie, hang on. Amazing report.

00:39:15.460 Captain Fennell, does everything Natalie's saying, everything that you've been saying, does, is Xi still focused, are we still on the path to a potential invasion of Taiwan in 27 or 28, given everything that you see right now in weighing, measuring everything that Natalie's talking about?

00:39:33.400 Well, Natalie's analysis is spot on.

00:39:36.120 I concur with what she said.

00:39:37.680 I have, for, since 2012, I have been talking about the decade of concern.

00:39:43.240 If you go back and relive Hu Jintao, the previous leader, and Xi Jinping, when he took over, they ordered the PLA to have the capability to take Taiwan as early as 2020.

00:39:55.140 And I believe that the latest date is around 2030.

00:39:58.220 Then, when Admiral Davidson left PACOM, when he retired, he came out and mentioned that there was this 2027 timeline based on the 100th anniversary of the PLA.

00:40:08.320 It could be in 2027, but I guarantee you that Xi understands that in order to have this ceremony in Beijing on 1 October 2049, the 100th anniversary of the People's Republic of China, that whoever that paramount leader is, they have to be able to say that they have restored China.

00:40:28.140 They have taken all that they claim is theirs, the South China Sea, Taiwan, the Senkakus, the Ryukus, disputed territories with India, territories with Mongolia, possibly, even with Korea and Russia.

00:40:40.920 They have to restore all that into their ownership.

00:40:44.920 And the one that they cannot get right now has been Taiwan.

00:40:48.120 And they prefer not to use force, but both Hu Jintao and I believe Jiang Zemin, but we know Hu Jintao ordered the PLA, and we know Xi ordered the PLA to be ready to take Taiwan as early as 2020.

00:41:01.540 And they know that they can't use military force much past 2030 and expect the world to forget what they do and then come back to Beijing and have a big celebration like they did in the 2008 Summer Olympics when the world came and watched the opening ceremony like George Bush did with his jacket off and his sweat stains under his armpits in the Bird's Nest Stadium.

00:41:24.040 So we're in this most critical time right now, the next three, four years, where Xi is measuring and knows that he has to either get Taiwan to buckle, and good on Natalie for mentioning the KMT is over in China right now.

00:41:40.740 So he's working beneath the scenes to try to break Taiwan's will down. 0.96

00:41:46.720 But if he doesn't get that through non-kinetic means, he has prepared the military to take action.

00:41:53.140 And what he has been doing over this last two years is systematically, like a biathlete, shooting the targets in the target zone, those Central Military Commission members.

00:42:04.620 He's taken them out one by one, all the resistors.

00:42:07.900 And now what he has, as Natalie correctly mentioned, a younger generation of officers who's very, very keen on taking back what they've been told their whole lives is that Taiwan is Chinese territory, and they want to take it.

00:42:22.200 Look at the Minister of Defense, Admiral Don Jung.

00:42:26.680 He is an admiral, the first time they've ever had an admiral in charge of the Ministry of Defense.

00:42:32.300 Many people poo-poo it.

00:42:33.840 He's not a member of the CMC right now.

00:42:36.840 But Admiral Don's background is that he is someone that was in charge of the Eastern Theater Command, the East Sea Command, that was responsible, and they formed their first joint command back over 15 years ago to take Taiwan.

00:42:54.560 So he is intimately involved with planning to take Taiwan, and he is in charge of the Ministry of Defense.

00:43:01.860 And the Western China watchers say, well, he has no power, no influence, because he's not a CMC member.

00:43:07.860 He's just a diplomatic guy, and he only does diplomatic issues.

00:43:11.220 I disagree with that, and I think that there's a lot of evidence that suggests that they are on this path, and we keep, in the West, deflating that threat.

00:43:20.960 And what it does is it tells Congress, oh, you don't really have to pass these bills that are necessary to re-transform the U.S. military.

00:43:29.460 And President Trump got it, you know, on this issue of the purges.

00:43:34.920 What did the president say yesterday on Air Force One when asked about it?

00:43:39.060 The man in the world that's got the most intelligence is Donald Trump.

00:43:42.880 And what did he say?

00:43:43.960 He said, gee, he's still the boss.

00:43:46.060 He's still the man.

00:43:48.320 Captain Fennell, thank you very much.

00:43:49.940 I guess we're going to see some writing jurors up on American Greatness.

00:43:52.440 We'll look forward to it.

00:43:53.400 Thank you so much for joining us.

00:43:55.740 Thank you.

00:43:55.900 Natalie's going to stick around.

00:43:57.120 Short commercial break.

00:43:57.960 Back in the warm in a moment.

00:43:59.460 Spread the word all through Hong Kong.

00:44:01.940 We will fight till they're all gone.

00:44:04.500 We rejoice when there's no more. 0.95

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00:45:40.200 Natalie is one of our top, if not the top, researcher on the Chinese Communist Party in this war against the United States.

00:45:52.020 Unrestricted warfare.

00:45:52.940 Does Peter Schweitzer's book, Invisible Coup, show the actions of Xi and his regime are at active unrestricted warfare within the United States, ma'am?

00:46:04.580 Is that a rhetorical question?

00:46:06.080 I think, of course, we've been documenting this for years, but I also think I would use this, you know, final minute to also say that it's not just the Chinese Communist Party.

00:46:15.700 The United States is also really good right now at shooting itself in the foot, right?

00:46:20.780 China's undergoing mass-scale mobilization, military-civil fusion, you name it, right?

00:46:27.480 Our defense primes are so behind on producing numbers that still would put us behind the rate of, you know, Chinese buildup that it's despicable. 0.95

00:46:37.860 It's a shame, right?

00:46:39.340 It really is managed decline, but it's accelerated decline.

00:46:43.300 You see it in that.

00:46:44.100 You see it in the rare earth stuff.

00:46:45.140 And I don't understand still why we're giving chips, why we're giving these critical technologies to a country that has explicitly said that they are trying to destroy us and replace us. 0.78

00:46:53.940 And we're seeing that on full display right now, and that's very kind of Peter to say that.

00:46:58.220 I remember growing up reading his books.

00:46:59.440 He's a wonderful researcher, and I'm going to have a story coming out soon talking about how there's now Chinese Communist Party-linked groups that are getting in on the take when it comes to defunding ICE.

00:47:10.340 Wow.

00:47:11.900 Natalie, your Substack, social media, your coordinates, where do people go, ma'am?

00:47:18.880 NatalieGWinters.Substack.com.

00:47:20.600 Natalie G. Winters.

00:47:21.380 On all platforms, you can see the latest story, if you can believe it, the WHO did a pandemic simulation eerily similar to the lockdowns that we're seeing right now happen across Southeast Asia just last December.

00:47:32.160 So go read that one.

00:47:34.060 Natalie Winters, amazing, as always.

00:47:35.840 Thank you, ma'am.

00:47:37.340 Thank you.

00:47:38.500 The star researcher on tough topics really in our country today, just extraordinary young woman.

00:47:45.400 Chad Mizell.

00:47:47.360 So Chad Mizell, he came on the show the other day, and man, Annie McCarthy, who's really a Trump derangement syndrome, he went off.

00:47:55.720 You made this case that, hey, we're looking for people.

00:47:58.440 I said, hey, look, the top law firms, the Federalist Society, a lot of groups have said have put a ban on working at Maine Justice for President Trump.

00:48:06.400 One of the reasons, besides blue slips, they only got 14 of the 94 U.S. attorneys.

00:48:11.160 You said you're working on a project now to make sure people have careers after they work.

00:48:15.180 He went off on you and the whole thing that, oh, we're not looking for the best and the brightest.

00:48:19.800 We're not looking for Democrats.

00:48:21.840 We're not looking for independents. 0.80

00:48:23.440 This is all just a, this is another move of fascism, and Chad Mizell is off base.

00:48:28.180 Now, you were former chief of staff over Maine Justice.

00:48:31.040 Explain, just take a couple minutes, explain to Annie McCarthy what you, in fact, are doing.

00:48:35.220 Steve, thanks so much for having me again.

00:48:39.520 It's a shame I have to do this, but let me first start with the Constitution of the United States, because Annie clearly doesn't understand that.

00:48:45.980 It says in Article 2, all executive power shall be vested in a president of the United States.

00:48:52.100 Unlike some of the other articles, this one vests all power in a single person.

00:48:56.060 That means any time an executive branch officer is using executive power, an AUSA indicting somebody, charging someone, convicting somebody, bringing criminal evidence against somebody, all of that is executive power.

00:49:11.600 That's included.

00:49:12.820 That means if the president doesn't like how you're using his executive power, he's free to tell you, stop, use it in a different way.

00:49:20.400 And the way he communicates that to all of us is via executive orders.

00:49:24.120 So if you are not on board with the president's agenda, if you're not on board with the executive orders, he is free to say, you're not allowed to use my executive power.

00:49:32.900 And, in fact, I don't want you in my government.

00:49:35.800 And, Steve, that's exactly what we were able to do at DOJ.

00:49:40.120 You know, my job as chief of staff, working with Attorney General Pam Bondi and Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche, was to try to root out a lot of this stuff.

00:49:50.060 And we got immediately to work.

00:49:52.740 On day one, we dismissed about 100 people who we thought were working against Donald J. Trump.

00:49:58.040 Over the course of the next several months, thousands of people from DOJ who honestly looked themselves in the mirror and said, we cannot enforce this policy, they left.

00:50:07.040 And, Steve, I have a lot of respect for them because that's how government should work.

00:50:10.520 It should work that if you can't follow the wishes of the duly elected president of the United States, then you need to leave.

00:50:19.760 And all we're looking for now are people who want to follow his agenda, who actually want to see law enforcement carried out in the United States and who are looking forward to doing that and want to be part of the team.

00:50:32.120 Chad, where do people go for your social media?

00:50:34.500 Because this fight is only going to heat up because it's more intense than ever to get the right people in there and make sure that people in there want to follow the president's instructions.

00:50:42.140 So where do people go on your social media?

00:50:44.060 Because I can tell you, Annie McCarthy is not going to back off this.

00:50:46.940 I know you're not.

00:50:47.700 And we want to make sure we stay current.

00:50:49.400 So where do folks go?

00:50:51.300 They can message me on X.

00:50:52.880 It's Chad underscore Mizell, Chad underscore M-I-Z-E-L-L-E.

00:50:57.740 And, Steve, if I could give one point of really positive news, I've received hundreds and hundreds of inquiries already.

00:51:05.640 I mean, really, really good essays.

00:51:07.120 We're talking top law schools, top law firms, top prosecutors all over the country reaching out to me.

00:51:15.160 This is incredible.

00:51:17.180 This is amazing.

00:51:17.880 We're going to push this clip out hard.

00:51:20.100 We know there's tons of people that want to sign up.

00:51:22.080 They just need to know how they do it.

00:51:23.440 Chad, great work.

00:51:24.680 Keep fighting.

00:51:25.560 Appreciate you, sir.

00:51:26.320 Thanks, Steve.

00:51:26.700 I want everybody to be a force multiplier.

00:51:29.920 Please get that clip from Chad and let's push it out hard.

00:51:32.400 We've already had hundreds of people respond, and nothing could be more important for us right now in taking on the deep state and effectuating President Trump's policies than making sure we get at Maine Justice and these U.S.

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Bannon's War Room - February 02, 2026

Episode 5112： Coup Against Xi Or Growing In Power

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