Episode 5123： Scalia And The History Of The Supreme Court; Time For Trump To Win The West Civil War
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In this special episode, Alex Blumberg and Chelsea Gabbard discuss the growing fears that Donald Trump will try to delegitimize the mid-term elections in order to shore up his 2020 re-election campaign. They discuss how to prepare for the possibility of ICE agents swarming polling places, and what to do if it happens.
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Trump's call to nationalize voting, and it reads in part, voter fraud happens and the price of
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freedom is vigilance. But the idea that non-citizens are swaying national elections isn't
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borne out by the evidence. There is no shortage of panic in the press after Mr. Trump's FBI
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recently raided an election office in Fulton County, Georgia, seeking something, anything
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to lend credence to his claims about the 2020 election. Yet that mischief won't save him in
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November. MAGA mouthpiece Steve Bannon suggested that Mr. Trump have ice surround the polls and
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call up the 82nd and 101st Airborne. Yeah, after Mr. Trump's political debacle in Minneapolis,
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independent voters would love that. There are two things about Donald Trump we all should be
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very, very firmly astute to. One, he's a liar. And two, he will steal the elections this November.
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He's setting this in motion as we speak. I don't know how people, you know, kind of look at this,
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but everything Donald Trump does, he tells you ahead of time he's going to do. So if we know that,
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you know, there are going to be ICE agents at polling places, we know he's going to target the
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15 states or the 15 jurisdictions that are predominantly democratically controlled,
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a small capital D Democrats. And you know, and we know, we know that he's already bantied about the
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idea of the Insurrection Act. What should we be doing as citizens right now to get ourselves ready
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for what will not just be a long, hot summer, but a very difficult fall when it comes to elections in
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this country? Well, I think that there's certainly an argument to be made that we've got to be
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vigilant. We have to be on guard now. And I think when we try to game out what it is that Trump might
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try to do, I'm much more worried about the back end of the election than the front end. I don't think
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we're going to see ICE agents swarming polling places. I think you'd get massive public resistance.
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I'm much more worried about when ballots are being tabulated. You know, we saw last week that
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Trump's FBI in an unprecedented move went to Fulton County, Georgia and seized actual ballots that were
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used in the 2020 election, supposedly for some kind of criminal investigation. You know, maybe that's
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just to please Donald Trump's fantasies about having won Georgia in 2020. But I worry it's kind of a
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test run for what he can get away with in 2026. If we have a very close congressional race,
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is he going to say that there's a problem in how the election was run and try and go in
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and have federal agencies ballots? So we've got to prepare for that right now.
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Steve Bannon recently said, quote, we're going to have ICE around the polls come November.
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Is that something that the president is considering?
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That's not something I've ever heard the president consider.
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No guarantee to the American public that ICE will not be around polling locations or voting
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locations in November. I can't guarantee that an ICE agent won't be around a polling location in
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November. I mean, that's frankly a very silly hypothetical question. But what I can tell you
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is I haven't heard the president discuss any formal plans to put ICE outside of polling locations.
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It's a disingenuous question. He's openly fretting about the possibility of Republicans losing the
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midterms and a Democratic Congress impeaching him a third time. So he's demanding that Congress
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nationalize the elections. And Republicans are taking a step in that direction through a piece
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of legislation called the Save Act, which purports to solve the non-existent problem of non-citizens
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voting in our elections by forcing voters to show documentation like a passport or a birth
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certificate at the polling booth. In America, a country where you don't need to show your papers,
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a passport or a birth certificate. We're soaked in lies. We're drowning in disinformation.
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We're drowning in in real time. You can juxtapose what he says and then he'll deny it immediately.
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And then it's that it's kind of it's joined with the history of the country. Right. Detroit,
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Atlanta, Philly, massive corruption. Right. Because at the same time that they're that he's talking,
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delegitimizing, he's also engaging in setting the stage for purging voter rolls, undermining the
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ability of people of color to vote. So I think we need to see this as a five alarm fire and not just
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simply try to deal with Donald Trump's inconsistencies. The man lies like he breathes.
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So we need to understand what is really at stake here.
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I think there's an optimistic story and a pessimistic story about Chelsea Gabbard being involved. The
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optimistic story is they don't have anything for her to do. They don't trust her. She's not on board
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when they're going into Venezuela or going into a bomb Iran or something like that. So they give her
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voting fraud to as one of the things she should investigate and they'll keep her busy and she can
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line up with the conspiracy theories that Donald Trump has put out there. And the reason they were
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in Puerto Rico is because there's some conspiracy theory about a Venezuelan connection to the voting
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machines. That's not going to go anywhere. The pessimistic story is much worse. It's that not only is it
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going to be DHS and ICE and the FBI, but it's going to be the entire intelligence apparatus that's going to
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be used to try to put doubt on the integrity of the election by claiming potentially foreign interference in
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the election, by just making things up that can be a pretext for potentially trying to do the things we were
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talking about earlier in terms of interfering with the counting of the ballots.
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I think the focus between now and November should be on Republicans whose names are on the ballot
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because I'm very curious, my fellow Republicans, do you subscribe to the idea of ICE agents being
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at polling places? Do you subscribe to the idea that you as a Republican official should take control
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of elections in another state, a state that you're not on the ballot in, a state you're not running in,
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that the federal government, now could you imagine Barack Obama, Mr. Republican Senator or Republican
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Congressman or Joe Biden, President Joe Biden in the 2024 election decided, you know what, I think we're going
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to look at all the red states and we're going to make sure that we take control of the ballots in those red
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states. Could you imagine, Mr. Republican, Senator or Congressman, what your response would be? Share that
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with us because that's the response you should be having right now. And I think the more, Eddie, we put that
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pressure out there to make Republicans because the president is acting in their name. He's the titular
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head of our party. And the head of our party says, we're going to federalize, nationalize elections,
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even though he then comes back and go, I didn't say national. No, you didn't say national. You just
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said take control of what's the difference. You know, Mike, I hear you and I'm sitting here thinking,
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well, in a reasonable world, that seems like that would work. But it also seems to suggest a faith
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that you have yet to put aside, right? That is to say, your eyes have repeatedly seen these
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Republicans behave in a way that they don't care about the hypocrisy. They don't care about the
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contradiction. They're either fearful or they're just simply committed to holding on to power
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by any means necessary. And so I'm sitting here, not as an expert about elections. I'm sitting
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here trying to think about the moral rot that has put us in this place where the president of the
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United States can lie repeatedly to us, can say that he's going to basically try to take over our
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elections, right? And Republicans will sit back and nod and bend the knee and do whatever we want to do.
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And we are kind of barreling our way to the midterms, trying to figure out what
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we're going to do in the face of what we already see and what we see every single day. So I'm not
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so sure, Mike, revealing the hypocrisy will actually get us out from under all of this BS that we're
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drowning in. This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going
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to medieval on these people. You're just not got a free shot at all these networks lying about the
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people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you've
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tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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And where do people like that go to share the big line? MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish
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that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
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If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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It's Friday, 6th February in the year of the Lord, 2026. I want to thank my own production team
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here at the War Room and, of course, the Real America's Voice guys in Denver for putting together
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a magnificent cold open. Now I know why some of my staff continually walks around depressed,
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because they've got to curate MSNBC and CNN. And I want to thank Paul Gijo and the editorial board
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at the Wall Street Journal for formally naming me MAGA Mouthpiece. Thanks, Paul. Normally your
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editorials kind of hit us the wrong way, but that was quite interesting this morning.
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From the ridiculous to the sublime, we've got a lot to go through, but I want to start with
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something that's a seminal moment in the MAGA movement and the conservative movement. James Rosen
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joins us right out of the box. James, Associate Justice Scalia, a giant of the 20th and 21st century
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on the Supreme Court. Your magisterial first volume, Rise to Greatness, his, I think, three-part
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biography. You're coming out with the second part next week, and we want to give everybody a heads
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up to get on top of this book, ASAP. You've got the Supreme Court years, volume two, at least the
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first part of the Supreme Court. I think it takes up to 2001. Why is Scalia important enough, James,
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given you're one of the top reporters in town, that it appears in reading the book and looking
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at the research, every waking moment of any time you have left over from reporting is spent
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working on this book. Why would you do that? Why is Scalia so important that you would dedicate
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basically your life to this? That's weird, Steve, because your question echoes one that is
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persistently asked by Mrs. Rosen. But first, I just want to say I'm grateful to be with you,
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long-time listener, first-time caller, as it were. And I'm joining you from my office at Newsmax,
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where I am the chief Washington correspondent and feel very privileged to work. And yes,
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this book is out this coming Tuesday. It's called Scalia, Supreme Court Years 1986 to 2001.
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It covers the first half of Justice Scalia's nearly 30 terms on the Supreme Court. And as you mentioned,
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the first book came out about three years ago, published by Regnery Skyhorse. That was called
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Scalia, Rise to Greatness, 1936 to 1986. There were two previous biographies of Scalia, one he
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cooperated with, one not at all. They both came out while he was alive. And both books ended in the
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same place, Steve, which is to say openly hostile toward Justice Scalia's personality, conduct,
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philosophy, and jurisprudence and his legacy. So this is the first admiring biography, or as I like
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to say it, it's the first biography of Antonin Scalia written by someone who has his head screwed on
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straight. That first volume took you up until the moment he sat down on the Supreme Court. And he had a
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fascinating career before he even became a judge, working under Presidents Nixon, Ford,
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and then being nominated by President Reagan to the appellate bench and then the Supreme Court.
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This new book, Out Tuesday, Scalia, Supreme Court Years 1986 to 2001, covers his first day as a justice
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all the way up through the national trauma of Bush v. Gore. Bracing it was, Steve, for this reporter to
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realize that there sits today on the Supreme Court only one justice who sat on Bush v. Gore, and that is
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Clarence Thomas, who was interviewed for this project. But you asked, why is it important?
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And I'm really glad you asked. Antonin Scalia is not just one of the most important Supreme Court
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justices in history. He's one of the most important Americans of the last hundred years. And it's
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because of the philosophy he brought to the business of being a judge. When Scalia came along as a federal
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judge in the early 80s, and then rose to the Supreme Court in 1986, confirmed by the United States
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Senate 98 to nothing, which always bothered him, by the way. Well into the 21st century,
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Scalia would be saying, let's just call it 100. He was ticked off that two senators didn't vote.
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But in any case, when he came along, there prevailed in America, and particularly in the law,
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this notion of a living constitution. This is still taught to schoolchildren every day.
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And the living constitution idea, which is subscribed to by liberals on the Supreme Court,
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the living constitution holds that the document, the constitution itself, and indeed every law that's
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been enacted ever since the constitution, should be interpreted by judges, which is their central
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business of interpreting the laws, telling us what the law means, in a way that allows the judge to
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expand the meaning of the constitution, of a given clause, or any law, to in effect, alter the meaning,
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to modify the meaning, to graft their latter-day policy preferences onto the existing law.
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And the idea behind it is that this constitution should expand to cover phenomena that the founders
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never could have envisioned, such as nuclear weapons or the internet. Scalia's answer to,
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Scalia stood athwart all of that. And Scalia believed in something called originalism.
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And his idea was that he didn't care what the intent behind the constitution was, or the
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lawmakers' intent behind a given law was. Their intent is embodied in the text that they voted up
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or down. And if they voted it up and a president signed it into law, that's the intent. The first
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place we should be looking in order to interpret a law is its text. And that text carries a meaning,
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and not a meaning changed by latter-day judges, but the original meaning it was widely understood
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to have at the time. It wasn't happening. James, James, hang on one second. We'll take a short commercial
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break. Textualism, originalism, next, with James Rosen.
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Okay, welcome back. I'd want to spend an hour with James today, given the seriousness of this book
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and the topic. And I want to thank Newsmax for cutting loose and letting me have a little bit
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of time. We're going to have him back on Tuesday. He's got an amazing piece coming out this weekend
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in the New York Times about law for Richard Nixon, all of the topics we've talked about.
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But the demands of Newsmax today, we've only got James for a half hour. I want to thank the Newsmax
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team for doing that fantastic work. We love you guys over there.
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Um, it's, look, I'm going to come back to originalism, textualism, things we want to get
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into today. Here's, the book is so, and to know that they had another guy that actually had
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cooperation, the book is so well-researched. But as you know, the Warren Posse, we have huge readers
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on his. We did the, you know, we sent the Buckley book of Sam Tenhouse to two or three, uh, new,
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uh, printings. Uh, we're readers and it's beautifully written. How do you find the time?
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Your, your chief Washington correspondent for Newsmax, which is, you know, in a dogfight with
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Fox every day for ratings and for breaking news. Uh, how do you actually find the time to do the
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research and to take the time it takes just to make sure this thing is so beautifully written,
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James? Well, you're very kind, Steve. Thank you. The short answer is I steal the time from my family.
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Uh, and, uh, in the acknowledgement section to this book, I apologize to my wife and two sons for how
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much time this project has, has required me to be away from them. Uh, I never intended, it was never
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intended to be a three volume book. It was intended to be a concise biography, believe it or not. But
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as you could tell from our first segment, Steve, I don't do anything concisely. Um, I did want to
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finish, uh, the discussion we were having before the break about why Scalia is such an important
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his, uh, American in the history of this country. It's because he persuaded, uh, through mostly
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through dissents, but really through his brilliant writing, his genius, his affability, his literary
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gifts, his, his charm, his, his use of language. He, and mostly in dissent, he wasn't always, he wasn't
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frequently on the winning sides of cases, but he changed the way we draft the law, we argue the law,
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and judges and justices decide the law. When he came along, people were talking about the living
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constitution and how we need to expand its meaning, uh, to account for new phenomena and how we need
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to look to the intent behind the law, not just the text of the law. We need to know what they meant.
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So we should look back at floor speeches on the house and Senate floor, and we should look at
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committee reports. Scalia said no to all of that. Nobody voted on a floor speech. Nobody voted on a
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committee report. They voted on the text of a law and that text doesn't change and its meaning doesn't
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change. By the time Scalia, uh, died, uh, in his 30th term on the court, and we're coming up on the
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10th anniversary, February 13, since Antonin Scalia left us, no less a figure than Justice Elena Kagan, an
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appointee of President Obama, pronounced, because of the Scalia revolution in the law, we are all
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originalists now. What was it? Was it in his opinions? Was it in his lectures? Because originalism and
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textualism, that was a long struggle. What was it that drove that point home? Was it made someone like
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Kagan, who had been Solicitor General, and from, I think, Dean at Yale Law School, or one of the powers at
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Yale Law School, what was it specifically over time that drove even the most liberal, uh, jurists, uh, and lawyers to this
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point? It was the clarity of the philosophy itself, the idea that the words have meaning and that meaning
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doesn't change just because some judge decided the meaning should change. Uh, so that was very
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attractive. Uh, and of course, Scalia helped found the Federalist Society, which grew enormously over
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time, uh, and popularized the idea of originalism. You mentioned textualism. It's important that people
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understand what these concepts are. As I explain in these books, uh, textualism is kind of the metal
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detector that is used to divine the original meaning of the text. Uh, and so you pay close
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attention to text. If the text is ambiguous, and many laws have, have clauses and sentences that,
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that are ambiguous, that leave us scratching our heads as to what they mean, then Scalia decided that
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the next feature of originalism to divine the original meaning of a law, uh, would be that you
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would have to, uh, look at historical traditions and to look at, um, whether there is a long tradition
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on behalf of something, even if the law is ambiguous. That was his argument against abortion,
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and Professor Scalia was arguing against Roe v. Wade as early, uh, as the 1970s on PBS. Um, and in
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essence, there was no, there was nothing in the Constitution that mentioned abortion, and there was no
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historical tradition that protected abortion. Quite the contrary. I interviewed Justice Alito
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for this project, and in addition to the New York Times story that you mentioned, uh, next week in
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Politico, I'm going to have an op-ed that, uh, is based off the interview I did with Justice Alito
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in Chambers. We talked about the Dobbs opinion, which of course overturned Roe v. Wade, and I asked him,
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is there a direct line from the writings and speeches of Antonin Scalia in the 70s and 80s
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to Dobbs? And he said, absolutely, there is. So, uh, Scalia's impact is still with us in a very big
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way. Uh, and again, it was his magnetic personality. It was his genius with words. Uh, it was his humor.
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It was his constant evangelism on and off the bench that swayed a whole generations of lawyers away from
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the living Constitution construct from the Warren court era and over towards an original meaning
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construct, which is more rooted in the Reagan era. How did, how did we get, part of this is the first
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book, and I strongly recommend, particularly if you have young people in your life that are thinking
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of careers in law or thinking of careers and somehow they want to get some sort of, at least even if
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they're getting undergraduate education, want to get, uh, some legal background. This book is, uh,
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inspiration for anybody and, and particularly Scalia's not just rise to greatness, but how he, uh,
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had such a massive impact on American life. So not just for yourself, this book is a great gift
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for young people and it, it's a page turner. So you're going to love it. How did, given the disasters
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we had, the suitors, and I even think Sandra Day O'Connor, when I say picked by Republicans that
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became quite moderates or liberals on the bench, how was Scalia selected and how did he possibly go 98 to
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nothing? If you had Scalia today, brother, we would have a firefight on, you know, given his Catholicism,
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given his traditional Catholicism, given everything, it would be a firefight. How did he get selected? And
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how did he, given all the bad choices that had come around him, and how did he get, how did he get a
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When President Reagan nominated Antonin Scalia to the Supreme Court in June 1986, Scalia had spent four years,
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having been previously nominated by President Reagan on the DC circuit. That's the Court of Appeals for
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the District of Columbia circuit. It's the Court of Appeals that's one rung below the Supreme Court.
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And the DC circuit is, is often described as the second most powerful court in the United States
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because his, its work so frequently shapes the output of the Supreme Court, but also so many
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justices are plucked from the ranks of the DC circuit. Uh, at one time, uh, on the DC circuit,
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what a murderer's row of judicial talent we had from Ruth Bader Ginsburg to Antonin Scalia to Robert
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Bork to, uh, Kenneth Starr to, uh, James Buckley, uh, Larry Silberman, truly an extraordinary array of
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judicial talent. Um, and so when, uh, the vacancy arose in 1986, because the chief justice since 1969,
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Warren Berger retired, uh, President Reagan was very adamant that the only types of people who would be
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able to demonstrate that they shared his judicial philosophy of original meaning, uh, moving away
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from the living constitution expansionist role for judges, um, would be if they had been judges already
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on the appellate bench, because they would have a track record as opposed to mere writings, uh, which
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could be moved away from, different from a judicial opinion. So, um, he chose William Rehnquist, who had been
00:24:47.560
an associate justice on the court nominated by President Nixon, uh, seated since 1972 to elevate
00:24:53.180
him to the chief justice ship. Rehnquist for many years was the only conservative on the court.
00:24:58.780
He issued so many lone solo dissents that his clerks once gave him a lone ranger doll. Uh, so it was seen
00:25:05.420
as a kind of a reward for all those lonely years of service in the 60s, in the 70s and 80s. Uh, and then
00:25:11.200
they had to decide who were they going to try and nominate for, uh, the vacancy created by elevating
00:25:16.180
Rehnquist. And it came down to Bork and Scalia. And the first book, Rise to Greatness, really,
00:25:21.200
uh, delves deeply into that friendship between these two brilliant men, uh, that friendship
00:25:26.720
effectively destroyed by the competition between them and by Scalia's elevation in 1986. We know
00:25:33.020
what happened to Bork when he went up a year later. Um, and you asked, how did Scalia get confirmed
00:25:39.220
98 to nothing? Chiefly because of the distracting figure of William Rehnquist, having been the lone
00:25:45.000
conservative on the, on the court for so long, the Senate Democrats who claimed control of the
00:25:49.900
Senate in 1986 in the fall election. So it was controlled by the Republicans when, when Rehnquist
00:25:56.320
and Scalia went up, uh, nonetheless, they were out for bear with Rehnquist. They hated his opinions
00:26:01.940
for the last 15 years. He was ultimately confirmed after a very ugly process, 65 to 33. And as Justice
00:26:09.180
Alito told me recently, gosh, if, if a confirmed nominee got 33 votes, you'd call that and it went
00:26:15.720
65, 33, that'd be a landslide. That would be bipartisan. In 1986, 33 was the highest number
00:26:21.240
ever recorded for a confirmed nominee. And so Rehnquist in what they called the Rehnquisition
00:26:26.020
took all the fire. Scalia with his charm, uh, sailed through 98 to nothing.
00:26:32.120
James, where do people, I want everybody to pile in on this book over the weekend. It's released,
00:26:36.820
uh, at public publishing date is Tuesday. We're going to have you back on huge piece in the New
00:26:40.900
York times. Where do people go to the site to get the book, where they find out more about you,
00:26:45.560
what's your social media, how they get all your hits over at Newsmax.
00:26:50.680
So you can watch me on Newsmax or Newsmax to our streaming service known as N2. You can find me on
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X at at James Rosen TV. That's at James Rosen TV. The book Scalia Supreme Court years, 1986 to 2001
00:27:04.200
coming out Tuesday. Want to emphasize it's written for all readers, not just for lawyers. And
00:27:08.680
frequently it's hilarious as in my lunches with, uh, justice Scalia, where we broke bread and wine
00:27:14.880
and he overruled my lunch order. Um, this can be ordered on Amazon and anywhere books are sold.
00:27:20.720
Steve mentioned my coming New York times piece that Sunday morning. It's the secret history of
00:27:25.160
the deep state. It exposes some newly declassified evidence about deep state activity against Richard
00:27:31.260
Nixon. And it makes the parallels with today's scene as well. No, it's magnificent. Look forward
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to see you back here on Tuesday. You want to thank Newsmax, because I know you're busy chief
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Washington correspondent for Newsmax, James Rosen. This book is magisterial. I could not recommend
00:27:48.760
a book more. We'll be talking about it throughout the morning and tomorrow morning on Saturday. I'm
00:27:53.180
going to break down part of it. James Rosen, we'll see you on Tuesday. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you.
00:27:56.780
Folks, I got to tell you that the effort to write something like this when you've got a full-time
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multiplies, we'll get you a clip of this. Here's the reason. We have giants in our movement, people
00:30:26.760
that have changed the direction of American history. On the Supreme Court now, we're very fortunate
00:30:31.940
to have two, Associate Justice Thomas, and of course, well, not two now, but Anton and Scalia.
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He is a giant. The other biographies of him have been obviously not up to par. The first volume of
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James, three volume, Scalia, the rise to greatness. And this volume starts at the very first day he
00:30:56.860
takes his seat in the Supreme Court and goes all the way to the hotly contested 2000 election of
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Bush versus Gore in the decisions that were made there. So you will absolutely love this book and
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you'll learn a lot, learn a lot. This is why the Buckley book was so important. This is why this book
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is so important. You not just get a feeling for them. It's just not a biography. It's the type of
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biographies I love where you actually get a sense of the times that the man or the woman lived in and
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very, very powerful. And just to know Rosen, who's an incredibly busy guy, when you're chief
00:31:32.520
White House or chief Washington correspondent now for an operation like Newsmax that's covering
00:31:38.080
Washington, D.C. so intensely, right, to have the time to research and to have the time to write and
00:31:44.800
to take your time and to write beautifully is, to me, is extraordinary. So Scalia, the White House
00:31:50.820
years, I think, 86 or 87 to 2001, it's the first part of his time of the Supreme Court, and you will
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learn a lot of this. We'll also learn, Sheila Matthews, we're learning from you every day. So
00:32:05.640
it's interesting. I tried to get a cold open for Sheila Matthews. Folks, one of your favorites and
00:32:11.780
one of our biggest contributors in the years in the wilderness, in fact, he started coming on the show
00:32:16.820
the first week that President Trump was sent to the wilderness in 2021, right, that first week,
00:32:24.820
it was a Russ vote, and then Russ formed CRA, and we were big sponsors of CRA, all do their conferences
00:32:31.120
and always talk, and just magnificent. Of course, so many of the people from CRA went into the government,
00:32:37.460
particularly in the OMB. They got a great team over there now as the second wave of doing magnificent
00:32:43.640
work. But Russ vote, there was an assassination attempt on Russ vote. A guy went to his house
00:32:49.800
with a gun, and I guess neighbors called, and the police eventually came, and he's arrested.
00:32:55.720
But he's got a commonality. When I read this, I reached out to the one and only Sheila Matthews.
00:33:00.400
Sheila, and I want to continue to drive this because you are almost like a voice in the wilderness,
00:33:06.740
but the dots all connect. Tell me about this guy and what connects him to like Butler. This is a
00:33:12.500
problem. This is not a problem. This is a crisis. It's a crisis about how these, the radical Democrats
00:33:19.380
and this cultural radicalness of these people obviously is trying to change the culture, but
00:33:27.640
they're also trying to destroy, I think, young men. Walk me through. And by the way, I could,
00:33:32.580
we could not find a clip. I don't think anybody's covered this today actually on television. We
00:33:37.720
haven't been, we're trying to be as thorough as possible, but we couldn't find a good clip to use
00:33:41.600
it. There's a couple of newspaper articles, but they're buried back in the, in the tirades. The
00:33:45.940
director of Office of Management and Budget, and one of the two or three most important people in
00:33:50.380
this administration, an assassination attempt at his home. And now the guy's locked up and being
00:33:56.700
charged. But why is this connect directly to Butler, ma'am?
00:33:59.760
Well, because Colin DeMarco from Maryland, the man who went to Russ's house, was treated. He was
00:34:11.580
in a psychiatric facility and he was diagnosed. And so we don't know who treated him, what meds he was
00:34:20.020
on. And that's the common issue here. Like Butler in Daily Mail this morning is J.D. Vance making these
00:34:27.260
comments regarding not knowing the motive of the alleged would-be assassin, Thomas Crooks. His
00:34:36.440
parents were behavioral health experts. How did they miss that he was building a bomb in his bedroom
00:34:43.080
next door? Why can we not question him? When now next week, we're going to have a case in front of
00:34:49.940
Georgia, where a 14-year-old boy killed four people, injured 11 in the state of Georgia, 14 years old.
00:34:59.320
He's going to make a plea deal and they're going to charge the father for giving him access to weapons.
00:35:05.860
Who gave him access to the mental health diagnosis and the drugs? What do his mental health records show?
00:35:15.260
So the commonality here is we have a billion-dollar industry that is feeding off our children and
00:35:22.240
pumping them filled with mind-altering drugs. And we cannot get behind the scenes there. We can't get
00:35:29.920
to the treating psychiatrists. Who are these treating psychiatrists? Okay, hang on. But hang on. But hang on.
00:35:35.700
Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. I know the theory of the case and it hangs together. It's a
00:35:40.440
multi-billion-dollar industry. Why can't we? We've done it now. You see in the transgender
00:35:45.080
ideology, we're getting to just have the $2 million court ruling. The people, the Terry
00:35:50.580
Shillings, those guys against the transgender radical ideology have used a sharp enough stick
00:35:56.540
to puncture and get through it. What do we need to do? Because this is outrageous. And you see these
00:36:01.080
shootings happen all the time. You never get to who the doctors were, what they prescribe, what the drugs
00:36:05.160
are, what the big pharma is making on this. Is their cartel cabal that strong that we can't
00:36:13.720
push through this, ma'am? Well, the transgender issue falls under psychiatry. So I would say that
00:36:21.480
is the umbrella that we need to go after. And the state and federal government is in bed with this
00:36:28.040
industry. So that's why we can't get access to the treating psychiatrists. They're training
00:36:33.800
the FBI agents. They're training our teachers. So it is a big issue here. And the bottom line is we
00:36:41.240
need the mental health records. And we shouldn't be assuming that the motive is not traceable. It is.
00:36:49.320
It is to, if we're concerned about the guns, we should be more concerned about what led that child,
00:36:55.480
the 14 year old, that's going to make a plea deal. So we're not going to get access to those records
00:37:00.680
in Georgia of the, of the little boy who picked up his father's gun. They're going to charge the
00:37:06.440
father. Butler, those parents aren't dragged in. Okay. So we have parents just like with the ones in
00:37:14.760
Utah. They're not drawn in. You're going to see, I've been, I've been telling people, oh, wait to the
00:37:20.280
trial. You're not going to have a trial in Utah. They're going to cut the, you watch Georgia,
00:37:23.400
they're going to cut the same type of deal to get away from the death penalty and get a life
00:37:27.240
in prison without parole. You're never going to see any of this stuff at trial. I've been saying
00:37:31.000
this from the beginning. Sheila, I know you get a bounce. You've got a big anniversary coming up,
00:37:36.120
a big event. I want everybody that's in the area or wants to come in from around the country to
00:37:40.360
support you. Where do they go? They go to ablechild25.com, ablechild25.com,
00:37:47.560
and they could get tickets there. It's going to be in West Palm Beach. And really people,
00:37:53.080
we need signs on this petition to get federal hearings. We need legislation. We're trying to
00:37:58.920
kill massive bills coming in and we have a proposed bill. We need a sponsor in Georgia. So lawmakers,
00:38:06.200
please start listening to us so we can get to some safety for these children. So yeah,
00:38:13.240
ablechild25.com. We're celebrating 25 years, two moms who started out of the abyss. So we need your
00:38:22.920
help. We want to stay valuable to children and we want to help the government. We want to help. We
00:38:31.720
want to save lives. What we want to do is stop this destruction, particularly of young men. It's
00:38:39.720
bad in women, but young men that try to destroy it. Sheila, uh, one more time. Where do people go?
00:38:44.680
ablechild25.com for the tickets and ablechild.org, um, for our petition. So thank you so much,
00:38:52.840
Steve. We're honored to be a part of it. No, it's outrageous. Thank you, ma'am. You look at the
00:38:57.800
connectivity. Look at the commonality in all this. All these young men are on these psychiatric drugs.
00:39:04.840
Who, who does, who, who, who, uh, prescribes this? Well, who, who's, uh, accountable for this?
00:39:12.280
It's constant. Also Russ Vogt, the guy said he did it because Russ Vogt was one of the key architects
00:39:22.200
of project 2025. Have you seen an outrage in the, in the community in Washington DC? Have you seen an
00:39:29.000
outrage in the media that a, uh, a courageous public servant, a courageous public servant, um,
00:39:37.560
is, uh, an assassin. The guy goes to his house to assassinate him. And just by grace of God, Russ
00:39:43.640
doesn't happen to be there. And some neighbors, I guess, turn this guy in and there's some footage
00:39:47.080
on it. And the authorities are involved now. It's just like in Butler. We don't know. I mean,
00:39:52.360
the Butler situation is a travesty. And I keep saying, and Posobiec and these guys can prove me
00:39:59.480
wrong. I just don't think you're ever going to get to a trial in, um, in Utah. I think they're
00:40:03.960
going to pull the same thing you're going to pull here. They're going to try to cut some plea deal,
00:40:07.960
get him off of a capital, uh, murder away from a murder charge. And we're never going to get that.
00:40:12.920
We're never going to get the facts. And I think there, we have to see the facts. We have to see all
00:40:17.480
the details, all the interconnections, because I'm still not at least what's been out there.
00:40:22.520
I just don't believe a guy got up there, uh, because, uh, he, um, you know, he thought his,
00:40:28.600
uh, his tranny, you know, roommate or wherever, however you define this other guy who hasn't been
00:40:35.800
charged with anything, no accessory, uh, no, no accessory either before or after the fact,
00:40:41.160
nothing is just still this, uh, was a Tyler Robinson. I'm just not buying it. Maybe,
00:40:47.160
maybe they'll put out evidence. Otherwise, I just don't think you're ever going to go to trial
00:40:51.720
in this situation, the psychiatric drugs and destroying these young men. He's got to,
00:40:56.520
we got to get to the bottom of it. Um, I don't know if we, do we have the clip of, of, of bets?
00:41:01.720
Can I play Betz's clip? Do we have that? My great producer. Do I have it? Okay. Let me play that
00:41:06.360
for our, bring on, uh, Thayer for a second. Let's go ahead and play. This is from Ben Harnwell does the
00:41:10.600
Friday show, tries to coordinate a six o'clock, all the great reporting coming out of, uh, and things
00:41:15.960
coming out of Europe. Uh, this is very important when we talk about civil war. Let's go and watch.
00:41:23.320
Yeah. I, I, I do want to stress that I'm, I'm really not making a party political point
00:41:28.440
here or I'm not trying to, that's, that's not, uh, most of what I'm talking about. In fact,
00:41:33.160
all I'm talking about are structural issues. This is not political point scoring. I, I'm, I'm not,
00:41:41.240
um, uh, I'm not trying to be that, that sort of pundit. Um, and your earlier remarks about the,
00:41:53.240
uh, uniparty are entirely accurate. Um, and people understand that to be the case, which is what is
00:42:02.520
fueling, um, uh, this, or I think there's the fundamental thing that is fueling this pressure
00:42:08.760
cooker you talk about, because once people have fully internalized that voting doesn't matter,
00:42:19.000
then that is an expression of a complete, uh, basically a complete lack of confidence
00:42:26.040
in the legitimacy of the existing system. The, uh, it is a complete lack of confidence in the ability
00:42:33.160
of politics to solve collective action problems in that society. And it's really hard to roll back
00:42:42.040
from that. I, and to the point of your specific question now about, about reform, I have to say,
00:42:49.080
I'm not terribly optimistic on this front. Um, reform, uh, as, uh, currently just doesn't look to me to
00:42:58.520
possess, uh, uh, the sense of urgency, the, the, uh, to possess the, um, the, uh, the desire to conduct
00:43:12.760
this sort of radical changes to the society, which would be implied by a reasonable estimate, uh, um,
00:43:21.080
apprehension of the problems which we face. Moreover, even if we get to the next election,
00:43:27.880
Professor Bates, let me just clarify that you think that these forces are in the UK.
00:43:36.360
I'm going to come back with a punchline with, uh, Ben Harnwell and bring in Dr. Thayer,
00:43:41.240
Tej Gill is going to join us. Orrin Cass has got a magnificent piece, two big pieces coming
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from the New York times over the weekend. Orrin Cass basically calls out the entire finance industry,
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wall street as a complete and total grift. And what should you do with the grifters?
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tenured professor at King's College and one of the world's leading experts, if not the world's
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Let's go ahead and play Ben again, and I'm going to bring in Dr. Bradley Thayer.
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Professor Betts, let me just clarify that. You think that these forces in the UK are so
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already entrenched and the momentum is there that not even an eventual hypothetical reform
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government would be able to stop the civil war in the UK that you see and that you hypothesize as
00:49:05.560
Yeah, I don't see that. Yes, in answer to your question, it's that bad. As I said, the issues
00:49:13.080
are structural. They're not casually political. They're not superficially political. They're deeply
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social. And bottom line is the political system is not able to cure itself.
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This is why Trump, that was from last Friday. This is why President Trump won in 16.
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There's something deeply wrong with the American political system, including the Republicans. This
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is why they're controlled opposition. This is why now the Wall Street Journal is hammering President
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Trump every day. And look, people can throw their toys out of the pram. They can pull their hair out.
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They can cry. It doesn't make a difference. We're never going to allow ever again to have the globalists
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and the elitists and the people that hate this country to steal another election. Those days are over,
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and we got to rev it up to make sure we hold accountable who stole 2020. Look what they did
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to our country. Financially, culturally. 15 or 20 million illegal alien invaders. Look at these cities.
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Dr. Thayer, you've written a quite brilliant piece. I'm so glad the Federalists have put it up. I just
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love the Federalist site about why you kind of take Betts's theory and you take it one step farther
00:50:34.440
and saying, hey, it's coming and we have to win it, and President Trump has to lead us to victory.
00:50:40.200
Talk to us about it, sir. Yes, Steve, thanks. The pieces are available at the Federalist today,
00:50:46.680
and the two arguments. One, there's a civil war in the West from London to Texas. We see that from
00:50:52.280
Ireland to Italy, from Canada to Australia. We see the same thing. We have an increasingly
00:50:59.240
authoritarian political class, and we have their principal weapon of immigration, of flooding
00:51:08.200
Europe, Canada, Australia, the United States with many tens of millions of immigrants. So we're locked
00:51:15.960
in a civil war between those who want to destroy the West and those who want to save it. It's an old
00:51:21.960
struggle, really goes back to the Bolsheviks 100 years ago who started it, but it's being realized now.
00:51:28.120
Now, what needs to be done? Well, the Trump administration needs to save Western civilization
00:51:33.720
because he's the only one who can, and he's opposed by Australian government,
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Canadian government, the EU, and Keir Starmer in the UK. What the Trump administration has to do is,
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right now, today, get serious about developing strategies to stop this and to turn it around
00:51:56.280
through remigration. So there's much that has to be done. First, tariffs. Professor Betz makes a great
00:52:04.520
argument, but he seems to assume it's the 11th commandment is that Europe is going to go Muslim,
00:52:10.520
right? That's not true at all. It's a result of policy decisions, and policies can be reversed if the
00:52:18.200
costs to the EU and the costs to Keir Starmer's government in the UK are high enough. So let's get
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Peter Navarro to put 500 percent tariffs on the EU. Okay? That's going to start moving
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the European Union in the right direction. Secondly, let's start developing a strategy—
00:52:39.080
Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Ho, ho, ho. I want to go through all of them. We're
00:52:43.720
going to take a short break. Are you saying put 500 percent tariffs on the EU to force them to have
00:52:50.200
policies that reverse the immigration of Muslims into Europe, into England particularly, which I
00:52:58.760
think is now going to a significant part of the population? I got 30 seconds. Is that what you're
00:53:04.040
saying? Absolutely. Not only reverse, but to do so on a truncated timetable, right? To do so with next
00:53:12.040
week, they're going to be at this number. The week after, they're going to be at double that number.
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Okay, hang on a second. Hang on. Hang on. I'm going to take time. We're going to get it all done.
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We're going to take a short break. Warren Kass is all going to join us. I'm going to recommend right
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now we set up an Office of Remigration, and I'd strongly recommend to President Trump and the
00:53:31.320
administration that Dr. Bradley Thayer be the very first person to step in there and take that
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