Bannon's War Room - February 10, 2026


Episode 5131： The Left's Plan To Change America; New Nixon Files Released


Episode Stats

Length

54 minutes

Words per Minute

170.15602

Word Count

9,314

Sentence Count

623

Misogynist Sentences

4

Hate Speech Sentences

20


Summary

In the wake of the mid-term elections, what does it mean for the future of the republic? What role does it play in the midterms, and how can we protect the integrity of the voting process? And what can we do to restore checks and balances in our election system?


Transcript

00:00:00.000 America's elections are rigged, stolen, and a laughingstock all over the world.
00:00:04.000 We are either going to fix them or we won't have a country any longer.
00:00:08.080 For fact's sake, Donald Trump won two of those so-called rigged, stolen elections.
00:00:13.900 Susan, you wrote that this is no longer a question if Donald Trump will undermine Americans'
00:00:18.860 confidence in the midterms, but how.
00:00:22.040 What do you see us doing to protect that?
00:00:25.520 Yeah, I mean, look, this is a situation where, you know, you've seen Republicans
00:00:29.680 basically abandon their longstanding views about states' rights and federalism.
00:00:36.180 And, you know, now all of a sudden Mike Johnson is the one who decides that it's the job of the
00:00:40.700 federal speaker of the House to be commenting on questionable election practices in states that
00:00:46.140 he doesn't like or that elect Democrats.
00:00:49.480 You know, the decentralization, I think, is the thing that, you know, experts are looking to.
00:00:54.840 You know, it's one of the reasons, of course, that Donald Trump's claims of a rigged election
00:01:00.180 in 2020 are so absurd and farcical.
00:01:02.500 It is simply inconceivable that in six swing states in 2020 all over this country, the massive
00:01:10.680 number of people who have been involved in the conspiracy of those alleged by Donald Trump
00:01:15.940 and the sort of fever dreams he's encouraged among his supporters, it's basically inconceivable
00:01:21.260 in the context of our very decentralized state-run election system.
00:01:26.320 And again, it should be pointed out that the Constitution is very clear that it's up to the
00:01:30.980 states to regulate the time, place and manner of elections.
00:01:34.780 That is not a role for the president of the United States, who just last Monday said he wanted
00:01:40.000 to nationalize, quote unquote, elections in 15 states.
00:01:43.480 But I think there are enormous fears among state election officials about the kind of
00:01:49.300 actions that can be taken in key states looking ahead to this fall.
00:01:54.080 One thing I spoke with an election law expert who pointed out that, you know, the time for
00:01:58.180 states and localities to act is probably before Republicans, you know, come in there and to
00:02:04.040 be prepared in advance to get injunctions and things like that to keep ICE away from the polling
00:02:08.940 places.
00:02:10.000 This apparent abuse of federal law enforcement power to indulge the president's obsession
00:02:16.000 with overturning the 2020 election and to lay the groundwork for whatever mischief they're
00:02:21.880 planning in a few months, I think is obviously deeply disturbing, deeply chilling, deeply menacing
00:02:28.620 and also a huge political mistake for this administration, because in Georgia, where now for the second
00:02:35.960 time in six years, Georgia voters have the weight of the republic's future on our shoulders, we are just
00:02:43.960 that much more determined to do our part to right the ship.
00:02:49.680 This election is pivotal.
00:02:51.200 If we do not restore checks and balances in these midterm elections, we will not recognize our
00:02:57.900 republic at the end of this presidential term.
00:03:00.880 We may lose our republic.
00:03:02.660 And he had a lot of us moving and he moved a lot of us.
00:03:06.460 And for me, you know, as someone who's a little bit more seasoned, I had a chance to reflect,
00:03:12.740 I think, in some interesting ways.
00:03:14.740 And you touched on it about how the expressions of protests and how our expressions of being put upon as a minority
00:03:25.040 or as individuals or as a community by a majority, how we would respond to that.
00:03:31.920 What I took away from last night was Bad Bunny said, this is America now, y'all.
00:03:38.760 This is who we are now.
00:03:40.620 This isn't the future of America.
00:03:42.160 People talk about, oh, America is going to be black and brown majority in 24.
00:03:46.160 No, no, no.
00:03:46.800 We're there now.
00:03:47.820 We're in the moment now.
00:03:49.560 And so to be very direct about last night, a lot of Donald Trump white people got upset.
00:03:57.720 A lot of them complained.
00:03:59.780 A lot of them were a little bit, how should we say, twitchy about what they saw, complaining about the fact that
00:04:06.940 I didn't understand a word he said.
00:04:09.060 Really?
00:04:10.500 Really?
00:04:10.840 You weren't moved by the moment.
00:04:12.520 You weren't moved by the visuals.
00:04:13.920 You weren't moved by the sound.
00:04:15.520 You fixated on words to try to understand.
00:04:18.060 But if you heard the words in English, you still wouldn't have understood them.
00:04:21.880 And that's the point.
00:04:23.680 If they heard the words in English, they still wouldn't have understood them because they listened to one man who clouded,
00:04:30.380 has clouded their judgment and their reason with his own twitchiness.
00:04:34.500 Right?
00:04:34.940 I mean, Donald Trump, since he launched his political career, has run a decade-long anti-Latino campaign.
00:04:41.700 He immediately started by going against Mexicans.
00:04:44.540 It is extended to every Latino group.
00:04:46.640 We have had a long, year-long persecution of Venezuelans.
00:04:49.840 It does not matter.
00:04:51.140 His federal agents are being enabled to stop any of us.
00:04:54.360 And so I have to say, though, there were so many people who thought the little boy was Liam Cornejo Ramos.
00:05:02.140 And he wasn't.
00:05:02.680 And it wasn't.
00:05:03.520 And that little boy who was detained in Minnesota and arrested, and he was a flashpoint.
00:05:08.320 And so many people saw that instead of seeing the heat, like, if that doesn't tell you about the racial profiling that's happening in the streets right now with every Latino out there,
00:05:17.480 these federal agents, we have a Supreme Court justice who gave a roadmap for this administration on how to stop specifically the Latino community.
00:05:25.480 Right?
00:05:25.800 So we are being hunted.
00:05:26.880 And I just have to keep saying that because it shouldn't fall on Bad Bunny or Super Bowl artists to defend our Americanness because Latinos are part of our past or the present.
00:05:39.100 And Trump doesn't want us to be part of the future.
00:05:41.960 And I think a lot of people are feeling that.
00:05:44.020 And those of us – and there is diversity, right?
00:05:46.300 I do not know Puerto Rican culture.
00:05:47.700 I come from Mexican-American culture.
00:05:49.480 But that relation, he is uniting us by persecuting all of us equally and with the same paramilitary force.
00:05:55.180 And I want to know which elected leader is going to be as brave as Bad Bunny has consistently been with his art.
00:06:01.940 He wants Republicans to pass the SAVE Act, which will change voting to be adjusted that it will exist in the ways that he wants.
00:06:10.680 But, Luke, isn't this basically dead on arrival because of the filibuster in the Senate?
00:06:15.800 Yeah.
00:06:16.340 I mean, it will pass the House, right?
00:06:18.380 They'll get the Republican votes in the House for it.
00:06:20.500 But they will not get the votes in the Senate for it.
00:06:23.580 So this is largely a political statement that's being made to try to, you know, falsely claim that American elections are rigged and untrustworthy so that if Democrats win the midterms, that they can blame it on widespread fraud.
00:06:41.640 I think as a fact check, we should just remind people how rare voter fraud is in America.
00:06:49.180 It is illegal.
00:06:50.360 People get prosecuted for it.
00:06:51.640 It does happen occasionally.
00:06:52.920 But it's like less than 100 cases in the last two decades.
00:06:57.560 I mean, conservative groups have been hunting for cases of voter fraud to show that it exists.
00:07:04.440 And you do get the occasional case now and then.
00:07:06.680 But it's so rare and so limited that it would not impact the national election.
00:07:13.140 It wouldn't impact even a statewide election.
00:07:15.060 And so they're hoping for these for this fantastical claims of fraud that really don't exist.
00:07:22.980 But what we can anticipate to hear about them a lot as long as Donald Trump is president.
00:07:29.340 I'm not going to sit here and wait for the future because that's what that's that's that's a game that others want you to play.
00:07:35.460 What you saw last night was the future coming to the moment now.
00:07:39.640 And and America realized for the first time in that context, they watched the panoply play out on that field.
00:07:46.740 Right. And they saw the bodegos.
00:07:49.320 They saw the wedding.
00:07:50.820 They saw that.
00:07:52.000 You know, the guy, the nail, the nail salon, all of that, which Simone particularly, I'm sure, enjoyed.
00:07:58.840 So that to me was a very American, the American aspect of that.
00:08:02.900 Trump has never been less powerful.
00:08:05.200 The agenda he's pursuing has never been more evident and more unpopular.
00:08:08.880 What this means, if you're a wuss, what this means, if you were wrong in 2025, in the first year of Donald Trump being back in office.
00:08:18.600 Well, it means that 2026 is good news for you.
00:08:22.000 2026 is the easiest chance you'll ever have to rectify what you did wrong, to get on the right side of this thing.
00:08:29.040 Now or never.
00:08:32.440 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:08:37.340 Pray for our enemies, because we're going to medieval on these people.
00:08:42.580 I got a free shot.
00:08:43.860 All these networks lying about the people, the people have had a belly full of it.
00:08:48.840 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:08:49.920 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
00:08:52.880 It's going to happen.
00:08:54.140 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
00:08:57.540 MAGA media.
00:08:58.880 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:09:04.280 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:09:08.100 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:09:14.260 War Room.
00:09:15.300 Here's your host, Stephen K.
00:09:17.340 Babb.
00:09:22.480 Tuesday, 10 February, Year of the Lord, 2026.
00:09:25.040 We're absolutely packed today, so let's get into it.
00:09:27.360 I want to thank the team for a brilliant cold open.
00:09:30.740 They're very focused on what is essential now, particularly on Capitol Hill, that's going to have a huge impact rolling all the way through to November of this year, 2026.
00:09:43.200 That's what we've got to get on it.
00:09:44.320 Mike Davis joins me.
00:09:46.180 First off, Mike, I want to talk about the Hill.
00:09:48.120 And if my crack team can put up that Hill, the lead story in the Hill today is about the reality of what's going on in the Senate.
00:09:56.540 Chip Roy and the team are about to bring, I think, to the Rules Committee a new restructured bill to be voted on the House.
00:10:05.880 Also, Eric Schmidt, who we had on the other day, and I think we're trying to get Senator Schmidt on either this afternoon or tomorrow, but Tommy Tuberville is going to join us this afternoon.
00:10:14.020 The real fighters in the Senate are actually bringing up a different piece of legislation that's going on offense.
00:10:22.280 And now there's this back and forth between, I guess, the White House and these radical Senate Democrats.
00:10:27.800 We've put forward a proposal, but nothing – we haven't heard what's in the proposal as a counter.
00:10:32.860 You know, the position, I think, of MAGA, at least a MAGA base, is that the ideas they had were so radical that there's nothing to negotiate here.
00:10:40.940 And the ticking that you hear is the Munich Security Conference, all the senators of both parties that are kind of the war party, 20 or 30 of them got to get to Munich so their paymasters can know that they're in attendance there.
00:10:56.120 Mike Davis, first off, didn't a federal judge back up this whole situation with masks and what the sanctuary states like Newsom are trying to do?
00:11:05.100 Aren't the courts actually coming about the law enforcement capabilities of the federal government and, at least at some level, having the president's back?
00:11:14.540 Yes, a Democrat judge in California just sided with the Trump administration when California Governor Gavin Newsom tried to tell ICE agents, federal officers, what they can and can't wear.
00:11:30.400 That's not the state's job there.
00:11:33.080 There's the supremacy clause, and Congress has power over immigration.
00:11:39.800 Congress wrote these immigration laws decades ago on behalf of we, the people, exercising we, the people's most crucial sovereign power to control our border and populace, to decide who comes and decide who goes.
00:11:55.400 And the president has the constitutional power and duty to execute Congress's laws on behalf of we, the people, and that's what President Trump is doing.
00:12:07.200 And when you're exercising federal law, states don't get to come in and micromanage or even interfere in any way with federal law.
00:12:16.900 So this Democrat judge followed clear law from decades ago that the federal law is the supreme law of the lands.
00:12:28.440 Immigration is a federal – immigration is decided by federal law, and Gavin Newsom can go to hell.
00:12:35.880 Okay, so on the Hill right now, and we're monitoring both of these, we'll jump in.
00:12:41.040 You've got the DHS and I think the ICE senior people – I'm not so sure it's home – are at, I think, a DHS committee to review their activity.
00:12:51.020 Also, Jason Smith at Ways and Means – and Smith is a very smart guy when it comes to taxes.
00:12:56.480 He's got a hearing on really getting into this dark money that's in back of the color revolution.
00:13:03.480 Who's actually financing this?
00:13:05.700 So we're going to jump in and out of those.
00:13:08.360 But, Mike, those laws were written decades ago in a bipartisan nature.
00:13:14.400 Why would the Democrats be taking a harder edge about law enforcement, particularly when you've got a situation where you've got 15 to 20 million – even the Hill today said it was 15 to 20 million illegal aliens in the country on Biden's watch, sir?
00:13:30.760 Yeah, I mean, I would say to these Democrats who want to beat up immigration agents, they should – these Democrats should look in the mirror.
00:13:37.200 It's their laws. These agents are the good men and women of federal law enforcement who are simply doing their jobs by executing our federal immigration laws.
00:13:47.180 If the Democrats don't like it, try to change the laws.
00:13:49.940 But we just had an election over this, and President Trump won a broad electoral mandate, 312 electoral votes.
00:13:57.560 All seven swing states capped the House, won a comfortable margin in the Senate.
00:14:01.800 And the American people want President Trump to seal our border, which President Trump has done, and to expel these illegal aliens, starting with the most vicious terrorist among them.
00:14:15.200 And President Trump is doing what he promised American voters he would do.
00:14:19.880 If Democrats don't like that, too bad. Win elections.
00:14:24.360 Mike, hang on. We're going to get into what's going on at Capitol Hill.
00:14:26.800 It seems a little confusing in the fog of war, but we'll make it all clear to you exactly what is going down.
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00:16:28.180 Welcome back.
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00:16:46.140 But the biggest issue is the top right there.
00:16:49.500 Tell Congress to stop illegal immigrants from stealing our elections.
00:16:53.800 That's the SAVE Act.
00:16:55.140 This is an issue where it's an 80-20 issue, meaning 80% of Americans support passing the SAVE Act, including a supermajority of Democrats and even a supermajority of minorities.
00:17:10.420 Democrats pretend that black people don't have the wherewithal to get a voter ID like everyone else, when we all know the reason that Democrat politicians are opposing this is because they want their illegal aliens who Biden and these Democrats mass imported for the last four years of Biden.
00:17:31.560 Over 20 million of them.
00:17:33.580 Democrats are trying to get them on the voter rolls so they can rig and steal elections.
00:17:38.160 They're trying to replace American voters.
00:17:41.880 And we need to stop that.
00:17:42.880 They say this fraud doesn't happen.
00:17:45.880 Well, if it doesn't happen, then they shouldn't have any problem passing the SAVE Act.
00:17:50.220 And they say, I heard this woman in your cold open saying that the elections clause gives the powers, power to the states to control elections.
00:17:58.300 She's not reading the elections clause correctly because Congress can override the states as to the time, place, and manner of federal elections.
00:18:07.640 This must pass.
00:18:09.500 Senate Republicans should not have any excuse for not passing this.
00:18:14.300 It's an 80-20 issue again.
00:18:16.480 And if Democrats are going to drag their heels, they need to nuke the legislative filibuster and get this done.
00:18:22.080 So today, and I think it's going to be, I think it's going to come out of rules, but they're going to try to add and have a combination in the House of voter ID purging the voter rolls of, and this is key, the voter rolls are key, purge the voter rolls of, because this is how they work the mail-in ballot scam, purge the voter rolls of illegitimate people.
00:18:43.080 And then put some, a modicum of, like, signature verification into the mail-in ballots.
00:18:49.620 If you do this, and I think this is going to become quite evident as the evidence comes out in Georgia, and the evidence is coming out in Georgia, Mike, this will go a long way to stopping the Democrats from using these 20 million to steal future elections.
00:19:05.680 Yeah, I mean, how are dead people supposed to vote if you do this?
00:19:08.500 I mean, Democrats can't win elections if dead people can't vote, or mystery voters can't vote.
00:19:14.220 And here's the tell.
00:19:15.360 The Democrats are concerned that immigration officials are around election places.
00:19:21.540 That's the biggest tell of them all.
00:19:24.380 It's illegal for illegals to vote.
00:19:27.360 So American citizens shouldn't be scared of immigration officials.
00:19:31.760 Only illegals would be scared of immigration officials.
00:19:35.320 And so if illegals are going to vote, they're already there illegally.
00:19:41.500 So what is, I mean, they're in a complete meltdown about President Trump saying he's going to nationalize these.
00:19:46.060 And by that he means not make a couple of issues, which I think it will be.
00:19:50.020 A couple of issues will be an up or down vote by the country on Congress.
00:19:55.400 But he's saying that, hey, we may have to have federal agents around these because we don't want, you know, you've got 15 or 20 million.
00:20:04.280 We're hung up right now on mass deportations.
00:20:06.900 We may have to do it.
00:20:08.200 Why?
00:20:08.440 The left literally every day, they're hammering.
00:20:10.720 They're saying Trump's an authoritarian.
00:20:13.020 I'm an authoritarian.
00:20:14.500 You're worse.
00:20:15.300 You're the lawyer for the authoritarians.
00:20:17.340 Why have they melted down over just some basic stuff in the law, but also having federal officers there to make sure that you have a fair and safe elections?
00:20:29.240 Because Democrats rig and steal elections with illegal votes and phantom votes.
00:20:38.400 That's how they won the 2020 election.
00:20:40.700 They use COVID as an excuse to illegally change election laws.
00:20:47.000 Only state legislatures or Congress can change federal election laws.
00:20:52.040 Democrats use COVID to change election laws.
00:20:54.080 They mass mailed ballots out to old voter lists, including college students who have moved 10 times since the last election.
00:21:04.740 And then they got rid of election observers because of COVID.
00:21:08.100 They said that they're going to kill people if you have election observers.
00:21:11.980 They even got rid of signature verification because, as we've said on your show many times, Democrats actually pretend that COVID changed your signature.
00:21:21.040 And then we had magical vote spikes in the middle of the night in key Democrat hellhole counties across Georgia.
00:21:28.880 And voila, Trump lost the election in the middle of the night.
00:21:33.220 He was obviously rigged and stolen.
00:21:35.400 They're about to get caught doing that.
00:21:37.780 And they are blowing their daskets that we actually want to secure our election so this doesn't happen again because it makes it hard for Democrats to have their illegals and their phantom voters illegally vote for them in these elections.
00:21:53.460 Do you feel confident, do you feel confident right now that you got cash on the criminal side, you have Tulsi Gabbard, and I think it'll become pretty evident with news that comes out over the next couple of weeks, why Tulsi Gabbard's involved from a national security and intelligence perspective.
00:22:10.540 But do you feel confident that Maine Justice and the Justice Department, since Fannie Willis, your favorite, you know, we're going to put, what, 15, 16, 17, 18 people in prison because of those ballots and because of the stealing in Georgia to cover their tracks.
00:22:25.760 And they were going to send President Trump away to die in prison about what happened in Georgia.
00:22:30.500 Are you pretty confident?
00:22:31.800 You're hardwired over at Justice.
00:22:34.580 Are you confident that we're going to get not just to the bottom of it, but we're going to start holding people accountable that stole the election?
00:22:40.100 I have to be careful what I say on this, but I would say that nobody is above the law.
00:22:48.060 And if you get caught rigging and stealing federal elections, that is a very serious crime.
00:22:55.360 And you can't get more of a serious crime for that in a democracy.
00:23:00.480 These Democrats talk about democracy or whatever, we're a republic, but regardless, you can't get a bigger crime than that, than rigging and stealing elections.
00:23:10.540 And that's exactly what the Democrats did in the 2020 election in Georgia and in other states.
00:23:17.000 But it sounds like they have pretty compelling evidence down in Georgia.
00:23:21.220 And I don't know what Democrats would be so concerned about.
00:23:25.880 If they've done nothing wrong, they should show their hand.
00:23:28.900 Right.
00:23:30.480 Um, this will change.
00:23:33.180 Do you believe, uh, we're going to have James Rosen on talking about his second book on the ministerial biography of, uh, associate justice, uh, Scalia, but he also wrote a piece about the deep state and Nixon, the law for against Nixon.
00:23:47.040 Do you believe that this, when we present the facts that this will be orders of magnitude worse than Watergate, you'll actually show how they stole a presidential election.
00:23:57.340 And because of that brought 15 to 20 million illegal alien invaders into the country, sir.
00:24:03.980 Yeah.
00:24:04.500 I mean, this is, we've talked about this since the Mar-a-Lago raid.
00:24:07.900 They have, it was long before that, but I'm, I've been on your show since the Mar-a-Lago raid.
00:24:12.960 They've, they, they, the Democrats have politicized and weaponized intel agencies and law enforcement for over eight years against President Trump.
00:24:22.820 They tried to prevent him from becoming president with the Russian collusion hoax and crossfire hurricane.
00:24:29.060 They tried to sabotage his presidency during the first four years when he, when he won against all odds, they impeached him twice when he, uh, they rigged and stole the 2020 election and chased him out of office.
00:24:44.400 And then when he was going to run for office again, they got, they ran the unprecedented Republican-ending lawfare against him for indictments for non-crimes, tried to bankrupt him for non-fraud, tried to throw him off the ballot unconstitutionally in Colorado and Maine.
00:24:59.560 Elsewhere, Biden tried to take off Trump's head.
00:25:01.560 He underfunded Trump's secret service protection, said he was the gravest threat to democracy, tried to get him killed twice.
00:25:08.860 Uh, once in Butler, Pennsylvania, and once on his golf course.
00:25:12.220 And by the grace of God, Trump is back in office, uh, a millimeter and a millisecond, uh, the hand of God.
00:25:19.740 And Trump is back in office.
00:25:21.720 He's expelling these illegal aliens, restoring our sovereignty as we, the people, these Democrats are trying to stop him.
00:25:31.280 They're trying to sabotage him every step of the way with their lawyers, with their judges, with their plaintiffs.
00:25:36.880 He is, uh, fighting every day for America.
00:25:39.940 He knows that if he does not succeed, America, uh, is not going to succeed.
00:25:45.460 I mean, I really, I truly believe in 2024, everything was on the line.
00:25:52.540 If Trump would have lost that election, it was game over America.
00:25:55.560 And we are certainly not out of the woods.
00:25:59.040 Trump has to succeed over the next three years.
00:26:02.860 If we have a fighting chance to save our country, we are going to become Europe.
00:26:06.960 We're going to, we look at the mass invasion of Europe with Islamists all over Europe who are conquering Europe.
00:26:13.540 They've conquered the United Kingdom.
00:26:15.700 We have an Islamist in New York City who is preaching mass invasion from, uh, from the Quran.
00:26:21.900 I mean, this is, this is, they are here.
00:26:25.320 And if Trump does not succeed in getting these illegal aliens, particularly these Islamists, the hell out of America, we are cooked.
00:26:33.380 We are conquered.
00:26:35.140 Mike, uh, a minute.
00:26:36.580 What should people look for in this Senate?
00:26:38.360 I know you got to bounce.
00:26:39.220 The Senate of fight.
00:26:40.300 Schmidt goes to Mar-a-Lago.
00:26:42.300 Lindsey Graham goes to Mar-a-Lago.
00:26:43.740 They watch the Super Bowl, uh, with the president.
00:26:46.320 They come back and they are fighting mad.
00:26:48.200 The president, I think, gave him the word.
00:26:49.840 I want to fight this thing in the Senate.
00:26:51.240 What should we look for, sir, in this fight?
00:26:54.820 Look, I, I think Eric Schmidt is a bold and fearless warrior for the Constitution.
00:27:00.580 And so I am very happy he's going to serve as the tip of the spear on this.
00:27:06.440 Uh, he, he was a very, uh, uh, he's been a very effective member of the Senate already.
00:27:12.900 And he's very good on this lawfare.
00:27:15.780 He's on the Judiciary Committee.
00:27:17.280 So hats off to Senator Eric Schmidt.
00:27:20.560 Uh, we should all get behind his efforts and we, we need to rally the war room posse to
00:27:26.760 support him every step of the way.
00:27:28.940 Where, where article three, one more time.
00:27:30.600 Give me the pitch.
00:27:31.180 Where'd they go?
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00:29:49.460 Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance.
00:29:58.800 Welcome back.
00:30:00.020 James Rosen, the chief Washington correspondent for Newsmax, joins us.
00:30:03.520 Today is publishing day for the second volume of his magisterial biography of Justice Scalia.
00:30:12.140 The first book was The Rise to Greatness.
00:30:14.420 This is the Supreme Court years.
00:30:16.840 It's the first part of Scalia's time on the bench, I think from 1986 or 87 all the way to 2001, the contested 2000 election.
00:30:28.620 James, first off, it is, I want you to tell us about the book, but more importantly, what inspired you?
00:30:34.940 You're one of the top news people in D.C.
00:30:38.200 You have been for decades and decades.
00:30:39.860 You're now the chief Washington correspondent for Newsmax, which you oversee an incredible branch.
00:30:45.860 You guys are breaking news all the time, doing stories.
00:30:47.980 You just wrote a huge piece in the New York Times.
00:30:50.900 We'll get to it in a moment.
00:30:52.380 How do you find time?
00:30:53.680 What is the inspiration that felt you had to do this and take as much time and energy, not just to do the research and the interviews, but write this book?
00:31:02.660 It's just a beautifully written book.
00:31:05.420 Thank you on all accounts, Stephen.
00:31:06.960 It's great to be back with you.
00:31:09.140 You asked about the time.
00:31:10.360 I steal it from my family, and this originally began, this book, as a concise biography of Antonin Scalia, and as Mrs. Rosen can tell you, I don't do anything concisely.
00:31:21.020 And I wrote about 170,000 words, and I had just gotten the man to sit down in his chair at the Supreme Court.
00:31:27.920 So that was volume one, published three years ago, Scalia, Rise to Greatness, 1936 to 1986.
00:31:33.900 The new book, released today, and you're very kind to have me on to promote it, is Scalia, Supreme Court Years 1986 to 2001.
00:31:41.840 And this covers the first half of Justice Scalia's nearly 30 terms on the Supreme Court.
00:31:46.700 It starts with his first day on the court and takes us all the way through the national trauma of Bush v. Gore.
00:31:52.380 And what inspired me was watching Scalia on television when I was in middle school and high school.
00:31:58.720 He would participate in these PBS debate programs, and they were sort of theater-in-the-round type settings,
00:32:05.080 and they would have these eminent minds convened to discuss hypothetical scenarios like ticking bomb scenarios and so forth.
00:32:11.460 And the people convened would be Antonin Scalia, Dan Rather, Gerald Ford, you know, Alexander Haig.
00:32:18.120 And Scalia struck me as being fundamentally different from everyone else on that stage.
00:32:22.100 He was, first of all, like me, an Outer Borough New Yorker, where he was born in New Jersey, but he was raised in Queens.
00:32:27.760 I'm from Staten Island.
00:32:29.200 He has that sort of sarcastic, in-your-face kind of humor.
00:32:32.340 And he had humor to begin with, which a lot of people in official life don't really display.
00:32:37.640 When I came to Fox News in 1999, to Washington, I wrote to Scalia and said,
00:32:43.540 hey, I'd love to do an interview, in essence.
00:32:44.920 And he wrote back and basically said, I have a policy, which makes it, I don't make a spectacle of myself as a judge,
00:32:51.600 but I'd be happy to get together for lunch.
00:32:54.520 And I said, I appreciate your policy, but what kind of, what other than a spectacle should we call it,
00:33:00.820 when you're appearing on a theater-in-the-round setting with cameras for PBS,
00:33:04.980 convened amongst other eminent minds discussing hypothetical scenarios?
00:33:09.000 And Scalia wrote back and he said, you know, you are right.
00:33:11.660 Right there, that's a major concession.
00:33:14.200 A lot of his clerks never heard those words.
00:33:16.280 Maybe some of his children never heard those words.
00:33:18.460 You are right.
00:33:19.480 I probably should not have done those PBS shows.
00:33:22.640 We had lunch twice, and we continued writing to each other.
00:33:25.860 We had a really amusing correspondence.
00:33:27.900 The lunches were off the record.
00:33:30.120 But I can talk a little bit about the atmospherics and the correspondence between us.
00:33:36.100 And that's all in the book.
00:33:36.960 There's a chapter in the book called The Rabbit.
00:33:39.860 And this is about what it was like when I was 30 years old and not a lawyer, still not a lawyer,
00:33:44.120 to have lunch with Antonin Scalia where we're knocking back red wine.
00:33:47.440 And he overruled my lunch order, Steve, America's foremost opponent of judicial activism.
00:33:53.660 When I ordered the veal at his favorite restaurant, now gone, the A.V. Ristorante Italiano,
00:33:58.940 he overruled my order and said to the waiter, give him the rabbit.
00:34:01.920 And we both looked at him and said, rabbit?
00:34:03.620 He goes, yeah, you're going to like the rabbit.
00:34:05.060 Give him the rabbit.
00:34:05.600 I didn't want rabbit, and I haven't had it since, Steve.
00:34:09.680 And all of this appears in this book, Scalia, Supreme Court Years, 1986 to 2001, out today.
00:34:16.080 So you're not a lawyer, and I don't think your beat when you first got there was covering the
00:34:20.540 courts because you're not a lawyer.
00:34:21.620 But tell me, why do you – because in this volume, I think you're making the case that
00:34:28.360 he's not just simply one of the most important jurists to ever sit on the Supreme Court ever,
00:34:35.720 but he's one of the most important personages in modern political history and maybe all of
00:34:42.220 American political history, sir.
00:34:44.020 Well, I wouldn't even confine him to political history because when you're one of the nine
00:34:49.340 justices sitting on the Supreme Court of the United States, your rulings, your decisions
00:34:54.120 are going to touch every aspect of American life.
00:34:57.780 Scalia's legacy as a justice is profound and stretches across all known sectors of American
00:35:04.400 life.
00:35:04.760 One example is criminal defendants' rights, and he wrote a key opinion, for example, that
00:35:11.740 rendered it – that held it unconstitutional for accused sex offenders who've been charged
00:35:18.280 with crimes against minors.
00:35:20.100 He held it was unconstitutional at trial for such an individual for a screen to be placed
00:35:25.000 between the defendant and the young minor who was going through the trauma of testifying.
00:35:29.700 And Scalia said, hey, as a textualist, as an originalist, the Sixth Amendment right to
00:35:37.040 confront your accuser – and he busted out the dictionaries – confront means confront.
00:35:41.380 It means eyeball to eyeball.
00:35:42.800 And while that might be painful for the alleged victim, nonetheless, that's what justice requires.
00:35:48.360 That's one example, and that's not just political history.
00:35:51.420 The way Scalia became so important, the reason I'm writing these books, the reason Americans
00:35:56.360 have to know about Antonin Scalia, why he's one of the most important Americans of the
00:36:00.880 last hundred years, is because of the judicial philosophy he brought to his job.
00:36:05.660 The central business of being a judge is that you interpret the laws.
00:36:09.780 You tell us what the laws mean.
00:36:11.960 And when Scalia came along as a judge, originally on the Court of Appeals for the District of
00:36:16.560 Columbia Circuit, where he sat with Ruth Bader Ginsburg – that's where their famous
00:36:20.120 friendship began, where he sat with Robert Bork and Kenneth Starr and Larry Silberman and
00:36:26.320 James L. Buckley, just an incredible array of talent on that court – when he came along
00:36:31.300 as a judge and then a justice, there prevailed in the American law a liberal notion called
00:36:36.700 the living constitution.
00:36:38.500 This is the idea that judges today should be free to interpret the constitution and any law
00:36:43.860 passed since then, in the broadest possible way, because they feel that this constitution,
00:36:50.040 the constitution we have, its meaning should expand like a living, breathing organism or
00:36:55.700 an accordion to account for things that the founders never could have contemplated, such
00:36:59.580 as the internet or nuclear weapons.
00:37:02.040 Scalia stood a thwart all that.
00:37:03.820 He said the intent of the lawmakers is what they passed up or down in the Congress and what
00:37:10.680 a president of the United States signed, the text of the law.
00:37:14.280 And we shouldn't be looking beyond the text to go back into the legislative history of
00:37:18.380 floor speeches and committee reports to find out what lawmakers intended.
00:37:21.680 We know what they intended.
00:37:22.780 It's the text of the law.
00:37:24.460 That was a profound revolution in the law, and it changed the way we write the laws in America,
00:37:29.300 the way we argue them in courts, and the way the laws are ruled upon by judges and justices.
00:37:35.140 By the time he died, when he started, there were no originalists or textualists on the Supreme
00:37:39.820 Court.
00:37:40.380 By the time he died, even Elena Kagan, the Supreme Court justice appointed by President
00:37:44.440 Obama, had proclaimed, in essence, thanks to the Scalia revolution, we are all originalists
00:37:49.800 now.
00:37:50.660 Let's talk about that revolution when he first got there, because the reason he even got
00:37:54.400 the slot is they made Rehnquist, went from associate justice to become the chief justice.
00:38:00.260 And of course, there was a lot of rancor in his confirmation hearing.
00:38:04.960 I think you said 33 votes against, which was a record at the time.
00:38:08.140 That would be a landslide today, but times were different.
00:38:11.660 You also had, I think, Scalia was 98 to nothing.
00:38:14.460 But when he first got on the court, what was his reception?
00:38:17.880 In the book, what's his reception as he starts putting this judicial philosophy?
00:38:22.700 Because they always have these conferences immediately after the case comes in, and then
00:38:29.000 after they have the oral arguments.
00:38:30.460 How was he perceived, and how was this philosophy, particularly when he had pretty strong personalities
00:38:36.160 and Rehnquist is kind of a classic conservative, how was it taken?
00:38:41.480 So when he was on the Court of Appeals, the judges ruled on cases in groups of three, and
00:38:48.500 it was very intimate and collegial, and he could just waltz down the hall and kibitz with
00:38:52.940 Ruth Bader Ginsburg or Abner Mikva or any of the people who had been appointed by Democrats.
00:38:58.920 It was all very collegial.
00:38:59.860 When he got to the Supreme Court, he was made to understand by his robed colleagues that
00:39:05.220 there would be no kibitzing in chambers, that there would be no give and take, no arguments
00:39:10.720 about how they should rule in the conferences.
00:39:14.740 Rehnquist, as chief justice, had, as an associate justice, had labored under and chafed under
00:39:20.520 these long-winded perorations by the chief justice, Warren Berger.
00:39:24.560 And Rehnquist was determined when he became chief, we're going to run these conferences
00:39:27.400 quick.
00:39:28.040 We're going to go around the table.
00:39:29.040 You're going to say how you're voting.
00:39:30.020 You give a couple of lines of explanation, and that's it.
00:39:32.760 And Scalia, who had been a professor, loved debate.
00:39:36.660 He loved getting into it.
00:39:38.160 His sons told me that if he should stumble into a room where they're watching a football
00:39:41.700 game, even if he doesn't know the players or which teams are playing, if he got a sense
00:39:45.680 of which team his sons were rooting for, he'd start animatedly rooting for the other team.
00:39:49.880 He just loved to mix it up like that.
00:39:52.100 But at the Supreme Court, he called it a locked vault.
00:39:55.420 That's the name of the chapter about his early days there.
00:39:58.180 And it took some getting used to.
00:39:59.640 And so, like a mighty river redirected, he instead turned his energies to oral arguments,
00:40:06.680 which is the only public setting of the Supreme Court's work where spectators are allowed in
00:40:11.700 to watch the proceedings.
00:40:12.980 And he began dominating oral argument and producing riotous laughter in the Supreme Court.
00:40:19.000 Studies have been done, and they showed far and away, Antonin Scalia was not only the most
00:40:23.740 frequent questioner on his time on the court, but also most frequently the one to produce
00:40:28.980 laughter.
00:40:29.680 And you can listen to those recordings of these oral arguments, even in Bush v.
00:40:34.060 Gore.
00:40:34.760 And the laughter that Scalia produces, it's like comedy club laughter.
00:40:38.560 It's not polite laughter, as you might see at a congressional hearing.
00:40:41.400 It's like explosive laughing and clapping that goes on for 10 seconds.
00:40:45.140 And just like a pro, he would know to wait and then start in with his additional questioning.
00:40:49.580 Um, so he was seen as a kind of a bull in the China shop, but the truth is he was, uh, pressing
00:40:57.100 upon his colleagues, people like Sandra Day O'Connor, Thurgood Marshall, William Brennan.
00:41:02.780 These are some hallowed names.
00:41:04.140 He was in essence pressing them, hey, tighten up your act.
00:41:07.880 Okay.
00:41:08.380 You are not obeying the law.
00:41:11.320 You're not actually interpreting the law according to what the text says.
00:41:14.520 You're doing crazy things like saying like a 1976 law was actually preempted by an earlier
00:41:20.740 law, like crazy rulings.
00:41:22.260 And he stood for all that.
00:41:23.920 And this book, Scalia Supreme Court Years, 1986 to 2001, has all of the memos back and
00:41:30.020 forth between Scalia and the other justices.
00:41:32.440 There are personal letters, uh, which sometimes got snippy.
00:41:35.540 At one point, Scalia declares to Justice Harry Blackmun, the author of Roe v. Wade, uh, who
00:41:40.460 did not like Scalia, uh, I am hurt, Scalia wrote to him at one point, I am hurt that
00:41:45.680 she would accuse me of X, Y, and Z.
00:41:47.360 So there's a lot of human drama here as well as the law and as well as shaping of American
00:41:51.640 society.
00:41:53.440 I'm holding you through the break to talk about this New York Times piece.
00:41:55.900 We've got about 90 seconds here.
00:41:57.460 Make your pitch why non-lawyers, uh, and people that don't follow the Supreme Court so
00:42:02.120 closely should buy this book and buy it today.
00:42:05.320 This book is written for non-lawyers.
00:42:07.220 Because reading it myself, I'm telling you, I crack up all the time at Scalia and his antics
00:42:12.680 and his brilliance and his wit.
00:42:14.820 If you want to know how we got to modern America, and if you want to know about the life and
00:42:20.040 thinking of one of our greatest patriots and really one of our greatest literary stylists,
00:42:24.640 you're going to read this book, Scalia Supreme Court Years, 1986 to 2001.
00:42:29.180 Okay, we've had a pretty good track record here of, uh, getting books on the New York Times
00:42:34.020 bestseller list.
00:42:34.740 We need this book on the New York Times bestseller list.
00:42:37.720 Number one, to send a message that, uh, that, uh, books about leading figures and dominant
00:42:43.620 personalities in the conservative movement have a broad readership out there.
00:42:47.740 I would tell people also having, uh, seen this and done some background studies on it of
00:42:53.500 James's, uh, of the first volume, which is amazing that this is a book you want to buy
00:42:58.400 and give to young people in your life.
00:43:00.440 This is a book that shows you, you know, Scalia came from a very middle-class environment,
00:43:05.580 uh, you know, just a hardworking guy, kept his nose down and rose, not just at the top
00:43:10.980 of his profession, but become one of the most important people, as James says, one of the
00:43:14.800 most important people in American history.
00:43:17.220 And, uh, the first, the first volume is, I call it magisterial.
00:43:21.260 The second volume's out.
00:43:22.600 It's in bookstores today.
00:43:24.980 Knowing how they, uh, they rig it, you may have to go and actually ask for the title.
00:43:28.940 It may not be at the front of Barnes and Noble, but Scalia, the white, the Supreme Court years,
00:43:34.320 uh, is out today.
00:43:36.080 You can get it on Amazon.
00:43:37.540 More importantly, for voting on the, uh, for the way the New York Times calculates, go
00:43:41.580 to a bookstore and get it.
00:43:42.600 We're taking a short commercial break.
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00:45:10.460 Okay, the second volume of Scalia.
00:45:14.340 This one's the Supreme Court years, which is basically the first part of Justice Scalia's
00:45:19.200 term on the Supreme Court.
00:45:21.620 A must-read.
00:45:23.400 Also get a copy for a young person in your life.
00:45:27.140 We need role models, and Scalia is a role model.
00:45:29.760 Whether you want to go into law or you have interest in the Supreme Court or not, you'll
00:45:32.940 learn a lot about American history and the direction of American history.
00:45:36.220 So, James Rosen, you also had, in the New York Times today, or Sunday, I don't know,
00:45:43.020 6,000, 7,000, 8,000 words, maybe more, a huge story, which was, I think, one of the
00:45:48.420 most important stories about Richard Nixon, about lawfare, and about President Trump and
00:45:53.440 where we currently stand as a country.
00:45:55.440 The title's kind of an obscure title.
00:45:58.760 It's really, the title should have been, like, The Secret History of the Deep State.
00:46:03.500 This is a profound and powerful piece.
00:46:05.740 I'm shocked the New York Times published it.
00:46:08.960 Can you walk our audience through?
00:46:10.120 Because we've talked about lawfare a lot with Nixon as the, as kind of the Kansas, Kansas,
00:46:15.680 as bloody Kansas was to the Civil War.
00:46:17.900 So the lawfare against Nixon was exactly what they've done to Trump, sir.
00:46:23.920 Well, thank you, Steve.
00:46:24.860 One of my previous books, my first book, was called The Strong Man, John Mitchell and the
00:46:29.200 Secrets of Watergate, published by Doubleday in 2008.
00:46:32.400 And it told the story of Richard Nixon's law partner and his campaign manager in 1968 when
00:46:38.160 he won, and the Attorney General of the United States, John Mitchell, who then went to prison
00:46:41.960 for his role in the Watergate cover-up, the highest-ranking U.S. official ever to serve
00:46:46.380 time.
00:46:47.200 So I've been at work on Nixon and Watergate for a very long time.
00:46:50.580 Honestly, I've been obsessed with it since I'm a child, I'm ashamed to tell you.
00:46:54.140 I did play Little League.
00:46:55.280 I had a normal childhood.
00:46:56.400 I want you to understand, Steve, but I've had this obsession for a long time.
00:46:59.520 And one of the episodes of the first Nixon term before Watergate that is the most important
00:47:06.260 in his presidency was something that very few people know about today.
00:47:10.680 It was called the Moore-Radford Affair.
00:47:13.940 And this was the discovery by the White House plumbers.
00:47:16.820 That was a secret group that was formed to plug news leaks after the release of the Pentagon
00:47:21.080 papers to the New York Times.
00:47:23.040 The plumbers were the ones who broke into the Watergate complex and planted the wiretaps in
00:47:28.080 the Democratic National Committee headquarters.
00:47:30.280 The plumbers were the ones who broke into the psychiatrist's office for the physician
00:47:34.480 who was treating Daniel Ellsberg, the man that leaked the Pentagon papers to the New York Times.
00:47:39.100 But one of the other projects that the plumbers worked on was this Moore-Radford affair.
00:47:43.640 And what happened was there was a very famous columnist at the time, Jack Anderson, who won
00:47:47.780 a Pulitzer Prize for publishing contents of some White House and Defense Department memoranda,
00:47:52.820 and also the minutes taken at a National Security Council meeting that had occurred just 10 days
00:47:58.860 earlier.
00:47:59.920 Okay, that was one of the most astonishing leaks in the history of the United States government
00:48:04.000 that Henry Kissinger running the National Security Council is having a private meeting
00:48:08.200 with his aides about what to do about the India-Pakistan war.
00:48:12.180 The United States was publicly neutral, but they were sort of tilting towards Pakistan because
00:48:16.700 Pakistan was helping Nixon arrange his trip to China.
00:48:19.480 And Kissinger was basically telling his own staff, I'm catching hell from the president every half
00:48:25.220 hour because he thinks we're not doing enough to tilt towards Pakistan.
00:48:28.100 So how are we fulfilling his orders?
00:48:30.280 And Jack Anderson published that like 10 or 11 days later and won the Pulitzer Prize.
00:48:35.000 The plumbers went to work on the leak.
00:48:36.980 They swiftly zeroed in on a 28-year-old Navy yeoman, still alive, now 82, named Charles Radford.
00:48:44.520 At the time, in December 1971, when the Anderson columns ran, Radford was 28 years old.
00:48:49.480 He was a trained Navy stenographer, courier, body man, etc.
00:48:54.000 And he had been assigned to Kissinger and his deputy at the time, Alexander Haig, to work in those
00:48:59.480 functions.
00:49:00.100 And he accompanied both men on trips around the world to foreign capitals, to Vietnam,
00:49:05.020 to Pakistan, etc.
00:49:07.480 And even to China when Kissinger was setting up that trip for President Nixon.
00:49:13.760 And under instructions from his supervisors at the Pentagon, Yeoman Radford, as he later
00:49:19.980 admitted, stole about 5,000 documents, classified documents from the NSC, diving into wastebaskets,
00:49:26.880 burn bags.
00:49:27.940 Anything he saw, he made a copy of it, a Xerox.
00:49:30.460 If he couldn't copy it, he memorized it.
00:49:32.300 And he delivered this back to a pair of admirals, who in turn gave all these documents to the
00:49:36.840 Joint Chiefs of Staff, America's top military uniformed commanders.
00:49:42.080 The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff at that time, benefiting from this spy ring,
00:49:46.620 was Admiral Thomas More, who had been the Chief of Naval Operations and then had become
00:49:51.220 the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
00:49:53.840 And the plumbers found this yeoman, they polygraphed him, he broke down and cried because he was
00:49:58.920 a devout Mormon.
00:50:00.960 He admitted knowing Jack Anderson, who was also a Mormon, their families were friendly
00:50:04.780 through church.
00:50:05.800 He denied giving the documents to Anderson, which the FBI, or the NSA, which conducted
00:50:10.660 the wire, the polygraph, found to be deceptive.
00:50:13.300 But he admitted giving these documents to the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
00:50:16.520 In the year 2000, Steve, October of 2000, the tape of President Nixon being informed of
00:50:25.640 this development for the first time was released by the National Archives.
00:50:29.700 It was a rare nighttime session in the Oval Office, December 21, 1971.
00:50:35.020 And not until the year 2000 was that tape declassified.
00:50:38.580 And when it was, there was only one lonely researcher in America who showed up at the National
00:50:43.280 Archives to hear that tape.
00:50:45.560 And that was me.
00:50:46.520 And I listened to the tape of that meeting, where it's Nixon, only the heavy hitters,
00:50:51.040 Nixon, Haldeman, the chief of staff, Ehrlichman, who ran the plumbers, and John Mitchell, the
00:50:55.360 attorney general, the president's confidant and friend.
00:50:58.580 Henry Kissinger was excluded from the meeting because they saw him as a profligate leaker who
00:51:02.660 was part of the problem in some way.
00:51:04.740 And it fell to Ehrlichman to explain to the president, we've just discovered, through using
00:51:08.840 a polygraph and investigative means, that the Joint Chiefs of Staff have been spying on you,
00:51:13.600 stealing documents from the National Security Council, delivering it to the chairman of the
00:51:18.540 Joint Chiefs of Staff for 13 months in wartime.
00:51:23.480 It was a unique crisis that no president had ever faced.
00:51:26.420 Nixon on the tape says this is a federal offense of the highest order.
00:51:28.940 And he demands that Admiral Moore, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, be prosecuted for
00:51:32.780 espionage.
00:51:33.320 John Mitchell, the attorney general, says, in essence, we can't do that because all your
00:51:38.080 secret operations around the world in Cambodia and elsewhere would leak.
00:51:41.440 But we're going to go see Tom Moore.
00:51:42.960 We're going to tell him this ballgame's over with.
00:51:44.940 And we're going to wiretap this yeoman.
00:51:47.380 And we're going to send him far out of town.
00:51:48.900 And they did all of those things.
00:51:50.580 I published the contents of those tapes in the Atlantic Monthly in 2002.
00:51:54.800 And I expanded on it in my book in 2008.
00:51:56.980 James, can I hold you just through this break, a short break?
00:52:00.460 I want to get this story.
00:52:01.420 I'm so sorry, Steve.
00:52:02.260 Yes.
00:52:02.780 No, no, no, no, no, no.
00:52:03.880 It's perfect.
00:52:04.520 It's perfect.
00:52:05.020 I want to get into more details.
00:52:06.300 Just we're going to take a short commercial break.
00:52:08.680 The second hour, we'll start with James Rosen.
00:52:10.440 This is an explosive, explosive piece.
00:52:14.400 It talks to you about the secret history of the deep state.
00:52:16.600 It also shows you how, you know, it's just not President Trump that criticized him.
00:52:21.840 Even back then, the Pentagon did not trust Kissinger, did not trust the National Security
00:52:27.260 Council.
00:52:27.700 They wanted to know exactly what was going on.
00:52:30.560 A shocking revelation.
00:52:32.780 James Rosen just said the only person to go over to the National Archives the day it was
00:52:37.320 available and listen to it.
00:52:38.980 We're going to take a short commercial break.
00:52:40.300 We'll be back in a moment.
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