Bannon's War Room - Episode 5138： Rise Of The Digital God From Our Automated Overlords; Stopping H1B Fraud

00:00:00.000 is already transforming work one delegated task at a time if the transformation unfolds slowly

00:00:05.600 enough and the economy adjusts quickly enough the economists may be right we will be fine or even

00:00:10.240 better but if ai triggers a rapid reorganization of work compressing years of change into months

00:00:16.160 affecting roughly 40 percent of jobs worldwide as the international monetary fund projects

00:00:21.920 the consequences will not stop at the economy it's one of those issues that touches all aspects

00:00:26.720 of a civilization and the civilization that we have is letting us down so it starts with the

00:00:32.640 economists who really are restrained by the data they have and the data they have right now says

00:00:38.240 there's no evidence that ai is yet affecting the labor market and some economists say well we

00:00:43.120 should plan in case it does right some don't uh the ceos who are in charge of act you know the

00:00:50.000 fortune 100 ceos who are in charge of a lot of america's workforce were really sounding off

00:00:54.960 about a year ago about like philosopher kings about ai and their theories of what it was going

00:00:59.600 to do and then all of a sudden they stopped talking why uh because i think they realized

00:01:04.640 from their pr teams hey you know when you talk about what might happen to america's workforce

00:01:09.280 it doesn't sound great and you don't want to be associated with that so maybe we should stop doing

00:01:14.000 that and so all at the same time that stopped i did talk to a lot of people on background a lot of ceos

00:01:19.760 who say look i love my workforce wall street is going to insist after years and years of investment

00:01:24.960 in ai that i show some results and if the ai magic miracle isn't here the results will be cutting costs

00:01:31.920 and those those costs will be cut now and then on the sort of last leg of this little triathlon

00:01:38.240 you have politics and so historically when big disruption comes to the most important thing american

00:01:45.520 jobs the right and the left get together and figure out well for our own political self-preservation

00:01:50.560 we better have a plan and what i discovered when i talked to america's political class is that

00:01:56.240 not only they don't have a plan not only they ignorant of ai they actually think that the current

00:02:01.360 federal plan of just let it go it's gonna work itself out is fine with two exceptions um on the left

00:02:09.840 bernie sanders who's written a really ferocious report about what we should be demanding from

00:02:16.000 companies and from government for the future of the american workforce and on the right the person who

00:02:20.800 said to me multiple times i agree with bernie sanders with steve bannon and so when you get

00:02:28.480 those two political forces aligned you're gonna see change and disruption and so what i came away with is

00:02:34.640 is this is the most important issue in american culture that no one is talking about

00:02:42.320 this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on

00:02:50.480 these people here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people have had a

00:02:57.360 belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do everything in the world to

00:03:01.280 stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do people like that go

00:03:05.360 to share the big line mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any of these people had a conscience

00:03:14.080 ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer is to save my country this country will

00:03:23.040 be safe war room here's your host stephen k bann it's thursday 12 february in the year of our lord

00:03:33.120 2026 brendan stanhauser uh is with us steinhauser is with us and rosemary jinx brendan i've got to

00:03:42.080 hand you a compliment well deserved you and a handful of others uh in the in that cold open he said

00:03:51.360 there we went to a period where the philosopher kings of ai and that's the leaders the four horsemen

00:03:57.680 of the apocalypse the four uh where they the four labs the four advanced labs i think would get out

00:04:03.440 and make these pronouncements uh of what ai was going to do and how great it was going to be i mean

00:04:08.560 elon's still doing it elon's telling us that the only way out of here of the highly leveraged bet is robots

00:04:14.400 we'll get to that in a second but um which i know sounds childish because it is childish

00:04:21.280 but you and others bringing this in front of the american people like on war room and other

00:04:27.120 platforms like this the pr departments listen what the guy said the pr departments went to them and said

00:04:32.800 hey you better tone this down because it's working against us talk about first the philosopher kings and

00:04:40.160 how wrong they were in misleading the american people before you and a handful of others started

00:04:45.760 just hammering them every day and now their communications teams are saying hey we're

00:04:50.320 checking the polling it's not working the american people don't trust you and they're starting to hate

00:04:55.280 you sir yeah well steve thank you so much i appreciate that i appreciate the opportunity to come on

00:05:01.760 your show and talk about this and uh yeah it's something we've been paying a lot of attention to

00:05:06.080 the last few years and sounding the alarm and then watching as these big tech ceos just go out there and

00:05:12.400 promise the world they promise utopia and as one of my good friends mark beal who you've had on the

00:05:17.920 show has said every time we're promised utopia it ends up in the gulag um so we're we've been very

00:05:24.000 concerned about this we've been out there talking to regular people around the country i just gave a

00:05:27.840 speech the other night in austin texas i've been traveling around giving talks my team has been doing

00:05:32.560 that and i can tell you what the gentleman said earlier on that show on msnl is totally true

00:05:37.760 if you're speaking to conservatives to liberals to libertarians they're all in i get very little

00:05:43.520 resistance when i talk about what we need to do there is huge skepticism of these big tech companies

00:05:49.360 they don't trust sam altman they don't trust any of these ceos to tell them the truth they they see

00:05:54.560 that what they're trying to build in in silicon valley is a digital god they want us all to worship

00:05:59.600 the digital god they want us all to pay homage to the digital overlords in the in these ceos and

00:06:05.600 that's something that the american people reject i we cannot keep up with the amount of people that

00:06:10.400 are joining our calls every day um who are signing up on our website saying we want to help you we want

00:06:15.840 to support you so it's a deluge we want people to continue to support us and we'll give them ways

00:06:20.240 to get involved in this fight we'll give them ways to take action to light up the calls light up the

00:06:25.360 phone lines on capitol hill and in states around the country because that's what it's going to take

00:06:29.280 to make this go the right way no but here here's what here's what happened here's what you and mark

00:06:33.840 bill and others our own joe allen others you've given a permission structure for people because

00:06:40.400 before they said well i can't i can't i can't criticize this these are the tech oligarchs they've

00:06:44.640 supposedly made america so great they've done all the social media they've done all this

00:06:48.560 they're so great i see them everywhere right they all came and paid paid homage to president trump

00:06:53.680 after one remember i said all those guys except for elon all became uh maga at 10 o'clock eastern

00:07:00.240 standard time on election night when when pennsylvania michigan were called next thing you know

00:07:05.920 they're down in mar-a-lago so people needed a permission structure and that's what you guys

00:07:09.760 have gone around and do i just want you to say it again as you go around the country because joe allen

00:07:14.560 says the same thing you go around the country and you give talks to

00:07:17.760 to to conservative groups or to libertarians or even to liberal groups it's virtually unanimity

00:07:25.200 that people come up to you and say i don't trust these guys i'm highly skeptical i think we're

00:07:30.400 going down the wrong path tell me what i can do is that i just i don't want to put words in your mouth

00:07:34.800 is that what you're saying that is exactly what i'm saying and i'm sure there might be a few people

00:07:39.520 in the crowd that come in skeptical or maybe they're more kind of pro ai than than maybe some of the

00:07:45.680 the other folks in the crowd but i'm almost never do i get outright you know hostile opposition or

00:07:50.400 people that are really on the other side the side of the big tech bros it almost never happens

00:07:56.080 and again we're speaking in cities we're speaking in suburbs and rural areas and i have friends and

00:08:00.000 allies who are doing this work as well constantly traveling around doing a road show talking to people

00:08:05.760 faith leaders teachers police officers nurses doctors and lawyers um you know welders and plumbers and

00:08:13.200 electricians i mean everywhere you go people are concerned about this they're worried about their

00:08:17.280 jobs but as i had one pastor tell me the other day of a huge church uh he said you know the i'm

00:08:24.400 worried about the spiritual component of losing work i'm worried about human dignity and purpose it's not

00:08:28.480 just the job it's not just the income which we're worried about for our parishioners and for

00:08:33.360 for our people but i'm worried about the spiritual aspect of what can happen to human beings

00:08:37.440 in this in this new environment that we're we're stepping into so there's a lot of concern for

00:08:42.800 people that are out there wondering yeah you're not alone in fact 75 80 of americans support safeguards

00:08:49.440 on ai that's bipartisan it's across party affiliation it's across demographics and i think the other

00:08:54.560 sort of 25 some of them are unsure maybe maybe one percent with the big tech bros but most people

00:09:00.240 support safeguards and they want to get this right brendan we went through two phases one we had john for a

00:09:06.560 couple of years and we were warning people of this talking about transhumanists all this and then

00:09:10.880 chat gbt went went to uh went to the world economic forum and and showed that the large language models

00:09:16.240 were far ahead where people were and i said at the time the venture capital and the and the private

00:09:22.320 equity and the hedge funds are going to pour into this and so if you had any chance of keeping this

00:09:26.960 in the barn you just lost it because now capital is going to pour and that's what's happened here's

00:09:31.760 what's concerned me recently even before this leverage bet which has just kind of become clear

00:09:36.320 in the last couple of months i noticed if you watch sports or you watch news and we watch sports for

00:09:41.760 entertainment and we but we watch we curate the news the advertising cycle to businesses is all

00:09:49.600 centered around agentic having an agent and they're convincing businesses and business people if you want

00:09:55.840 to succeed in business as a mid-level even junior person you have got to basically build and work with an

00:10:03.360 agent a digital agent or yourself this agentic revolution this is where i think it gets even

00:10:08.720 scarier can you walk us through that for a second and why this could be particularly very scary

00:10:14.560 absolutely well i think the agents are being built by these companies to replace human work to replace

00:10:20.240 human workers and this is just the beginning of this these things are getting more and more

00:10:25.200 sophisticated every few weeks every few months the capabilities are rising exponentially and so the

00:10:31.360 very stated purpose of why they're creating these agents is to take over white collar work and then

00:10:37.920 when you couple that with robotics and i know robotics is sort of a little slower to develop it's hard to get

00:10:42.640 it right but if you have robots that are increasing in in versatility and in in uh dexterity the ability

00:10:50.000 to use their fingers to grasp things and do these precise movements you you power them with ai agents and

00:10:56.080 now you look at what that impact will be on blue collar work and so automation is the purpose it's the design

00:11:02.320 of a lot of these companies they want to basically capture the value of the labor force they want to

00:11:07.120 basically get wealthier themselves they want to capture the value of that labor they want to get

00:11:12.080 massively wealthy they want to be the first trillionaires in history and i think they realize

00:11:16.320 as they've said publicly that they fear what could happen when people realize this when people start to

00:11:21.520 see what's happening to them i mean they have used the term that they fear the mob well yeah you should

00:11:27.680 fear and it's not it's not a mob when you're just basically capturing the value of of people's labor

00:11:32.480 you're putting them out of work you're you know using companions to get their kids addicted and

00:11:36.480 hooked uh you're encouraging this this situation where we have ai psychosis and delusion people are

00:11:42.000 losing their minds because they're going down this rabbit hole so they're creating all these societal

00:11:46.320 problems which by the way they created these same problems with social media ai is just going to make

00:11:50.880 that exponentially worse and so yeah people are upset they don't trust the big tech ceos they don't

00:11:56.560 trust the companies they don't they don't like what they're seeing and they have every right and they

00:12:01.120 to be concerned and to be worried and they are and what we're asking people who are watching this

00:12:06.880 to do is to take action you know join us in this fight we need your help this is what you know

00:12:13.040 the first part is an awakening we got to make sure everybody's awakened to this i think it's happening

00:12:17.760 so rapidly where do people go tell us tell them how they can join i want people to get more

00:12:22.080 information we're trying to put it out all the time every day but i need we need an informed

00:12:28.160 when they talk about a mob they're talking about homo sapiens right which they're trying to get

00:12:32.480 beyond hoping sapiens so we need homo sapiens to awaken to uh what they're trying to do to eliminate

00:12:39.680 you and that's where you're putting our information where do people go to get on your site what is your

00:12:44.000 recommendation call to action your recommended call to action right now sure the best thing people can

00:12:49.520 do is to join us by coming to our website secureainow.org secureainow.org sign up we'll send

00:12:57.840 you information we'll send you key news alerts and if you really want to take action on some of the

00:13:03.120 legislation we're working on in the states and on capitol hill we'll give you ways to do that

00:13:09.200 we stay in touch with people that join the alliance we work with countless groups across the country and

00:13:13.920 there's some great organizations that we work with uh to lead this effort and so yeah join us online

00:13:19.680 we'll make sure that we give you updates on how you can take action in the moment but but the overall

00:13:25.440 thing i want people to do be aware get educated and stay in touch with us because we have to act right

00:13:30.880 now that's why it's an alliance but yeah time for actions now like i said we're hurtling down

00:13:36.800 we're making a national bet we're making a corporate bet that's so highly leveraged and on this technology

00:13:43.920 and if it doesn't work it doesn't work perfectly i actually think it's on many levels fairly

00:13:47.920 inefficient at least right now it's uh people are the bet they're making financially is quite scary

00:13:54.400 brendan one more time where do people go to to join the alliance yeah please join us at secureainow.org

00:14:02.160 and you can follow us on all the social media channels secure ai now thank you brother appreciate you

00:14:08.800 thank you steve

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00:16:24.880 rosemary jenks uh this makes your whole crusade to rid this country of uh these phony work visas

00:16:38.000 the ones that come through college and lead right to h1b's have flooded the the nation

00:16:43.040 with essentially low skilled tech workers even more important because ai is first coming to take

00:16:49.040 out as i say lower managerial administrative and uh in tech and so this makes that this makes the

00:16:56.800 clarion call it's one of the reasons that the tech bros the oligarchs don't want to get rid of h1b

00:17:02.880 visas they want this transition with they and they don't care about flooding the country with people

00:17:08.400 that can't be assimilated they have they have it's not their problem they're living in a whole different

00:17:14.240 you know it's like uh the middle ages they're living in these fortified uh you know basically

00:17:19.600 enclaves and they don't have to worry about the health care they don't have to worry about

00:17:23.840 the social uh breakdown they don't have to worry about and we're here in texas this is why i tell

00:17:28.960 people we are here for the sharia law and for uh because nobody wanted to talk about it we gave a

00:17:34.480 permission structure to do that starting the conference a couple weeks ago and it's caught on

00:17:38.800 fire the new york times has an article for i think two days ago saying all of a sudden it's become

00:17:43.760 the number one issue in the republican primary out of nowhere the the you know care and the muslim

00:17:48.560 brotherhood nobody saw this coming i tell people now that we've shifted the show down here because

00:17:54.000 we're here until at least the third of of march with the uh with the primary uh i tell people

00:18:00.640 right below the the interest in stopping sharia law and really stopping this islamic invasion

00:18:08.000 is this issue h1b visas it's everywhere i go every meeting i'm in everything i talk

00:18:13.120 people pull me aside and say hey this is huge and i'm all in and we're dedicated but these h1b visas

00:18:18.560 you guys have got to work on stopping this because it's destroying the state of texas and now you

00:18:24.080 couple it with artificial intelligence and artificial intelligence the companies alone besides equity are

00:18:30.000 going to put in they're raising i think 800 they're going to spend 800 billion dollars in capex

00:18:35.200 over and above government assistance and a lot of that bloomberg's reporting right now a lot of that's going

00:18:40.320 going to be is going to be borrowed and it's just a huge making a huge leverage bet on this technology

00:18:47.440 and this technology's principal purpose initially is to eviscerate jobs to drive margin uh rosemary

00:18:54.480 drinks your thoughts yeah well steve if you leave ai aside we have already gone well down the road to

00:19:03.280 decimating our domestic labor force with our immigration system so the fact that we have made

00:19:10.560 cheap foreign labor available to employers means that american workers are second choice already so you

00:19:19.360 add ai on top of that american workers become third choice and there's a new study that has just come out

00:19:26.800 by george borjas who's a harvard economic economist uh who is fantastic it's done by the national bureau

00:19:34.080 of economic research and it shows that h1bs across the board are paid 16 percent less than american

00:19:43.040 workers in the same jobs however if you drill down to occupations like software developers the difference is

00:19:51.120 30 so employers can save almost a third of the wages by hiring an h1b instead of an american so that means

00:20:01.440 that even if you have a hundred thousand dollar fee on top of the h1b approval process like president trump

00:20:08.960 did the employer makes that back within four years and it's pure profit after that so we have put american

00:20:17.360 workers second already and now we're talking about putting them third that is not sustainable we cannot

00:20:26.080 have this and you know the first thing we need to do in my view is get rid of these these visas so that

00:20:32.720 we can stop replacing americans with cheap foreign labor and then we're gonna have to deal with ai because

00:20:38.960 we don't have a country if we don't have solid work where people can earn a living and have the you know

00:20:46.240 the moral support and values that work entails the meaning and purpose of your life is a lot of it

00:20:52.800 is around your work in your family and normal and sometimes those are in a strictly link which is

00:20:57.440 fantastic that that that's what that balance is what makes happy people who are fulfilled um let me go

00:21:04.160 back because every politician talks about this you're at numbers usa for decades we used to work with you

00:21:10.800 all the time at breitbart and then in the war room and then you shifted because you said hey

00:21:15.040 this the battlefield is shifting and it's shifting because every politician goes out on the stump and

00:21:21.680 says i'm for protecting american workers the democrats say it the the mega republicans say it i mean that's

00:21:27.920 but behind the scenes the reality is the donors want this you know the tech guys they're they're they're

00:21:33.920 not dumb people they understand that saving 30 percent on their basic tech workers means expanded

00:21:41.920 margins and expanded margins means higher stock price uh and that's why they're doing this an economic

00:21:47.520 incentive to do it plus these workers are not as what i would say feisty or as cussed maybe as the as

00:21:55.200 the american workers uh they're they're very malleable and that's why you got them you know in silicon valley

00:22:00.720 live in x amount to a to a condo and so but this is supported by the political class you never hear a discussion

00:22:07.600 about this this is why it takes shows like us giving a platform to people like you that are in

00:22:12.720 there now you've set up a a um a index that we can see this just like the heritage and other people have

00:22:19.760 had index on conservatism and you're you're at the forefront of legislation but we're in a situation now

00:22:25.520 with the very modicum and basics of of the stop election fraud we can't even get it considered by the

00:22:32.320 senate where do we really stand and what do we have to do what is the call to action to make sure

00:22:37.920 that we can finally lance the boil right and drain all the puss out about the h1b visas and that'll

00:22:44.000 lead us to a more tournament other things because you've been working non-stop to try to get legislation

00:22:48.400 but it's pushing you're like prometheus pushing a rock uphill yeah it's it's a big hill it's more like

00:22:55.680 a mountain um we are going to first of all have to get the senate to move to the talking filibuster

00:23:02.560 there's no other way that we can get serious election integrity legislation done the save america

00:23:10.800 act passed the house yesterday um it did it only got one democrat so we know we're not going to get

00:23:16.560 democrats in the senate uh except for you know potentially fetterman i don't know but um we're going

00:23:23.840 to have to get that to president trump's desk and quite frankly i don't care how they do it they have

00:23:29.840 got to do it i will say the filibuster has saved america from amnesty several times in the past but

00:23:38.320 going to the talking filibuster does not require a rule change it is not the nuclear option so we are in

00:23:45.040 favor of that in terms of getting immigration legislation we're just not there yet with congress and

00:23:51.920 you're absolutely right it's because of the donors you know the there are members of congress whose

00:23:58.080 own children are in tech fields have graduated for with stem degrees and they can't find jobs so the

00:24:05.920 message is getting through but they still need the cash for reelection campaigns we have got to defeat

00:24:14.720 the message of the donors and the way we do that is constant pressure on members of congress if you

00:24:21.600 look at our website iapaction.com you can find out as steve said exactly where your member of congress

00:24:28.320 both the house and the senate stands on immigration issues it is a ranking system based essentially on

00:24:34.640 sports rankings that uh tells you everything you need to know about what your member of congress

00:24:40.480 believes or doesn't believe and is willing to stand up for or not and they need encouragement when

00:24:46.800 they do good things and they need to be held accountable when they do stupid things because

00:24:51.040 unfortunately it's the stupid things that tend to prevail what about uh the executive order let's

00:24:56.960 go through that because you know we said this thing can't be reformed it's too corrupt it's allowed too

00:25:01.440 many people in and they say oh it's only like 50 000 a year that doesn't include the universities

00:25:05.440 don't include all these other businesses they're lending in millions the uh the reforms president

00:25:10.000 trump tried to do in the executive order they're clearly not this is my take they're clearly not going to

00:25:15.200 work if you if you were sitting down with president trump and said hey i think we need to tweak or

00:25:19.760 or recast the executive order what would be your recommendation to him well first of all we

00:25:25.840 absolutely must get rid of the the opt program the optional practical training because that is the

00:25:32.560 pipeline that goes directly from our universities that carries foreign students to these tech jobs

00:25:40.000 and gives the employers a tax break to hire the foreign students instead of american graduates

00:25:45.680 and then they go straight into the h1b so if we break that pipeline we can essentially prevent more

00:25:54.080 it won't be you know full scale but we can prevent more people from getting to the h1b system because

00:26:00.000 the employers won't know about them because they haven't hired them as opt students so that's one

00:26:05.440 major thing um this study that i referred to the borha study actually looked at the president's

00:26:12.080 a hundred thousand dollar fee and said that's not enough to make employ to dissent disincentivize

00:26:20.240 employers from hiring h1bs because they save so much money and one of the reasons they save so much

00:26:27.040 money with this 30 discount in wages is because they can keep the h1b indefinitely you know it's supposed

00:26:34.720 to be a three-year visa that's renewable once instead they're staying here for 40 50 years because

00:26:42.000 the employers sponsor them from for a green card that needs to be shut off unfortunately congress

00:26:47.600 has to do that but it needs to be done and that would go a long way toward making it so that that

00:26:55.280 h1bs are not in fact cheaper than americans for these employers and that's the key you have to make

00:27:01.280 hiring a foreign worker more expensive than hiring an american rosemary where do people go to get the

00:27:08.720 rankings where they go to uh get on your site to support you social media and the website iapaction.com

00:27:17.680 is where our congressional rankings are you can support us through that page we need everybody's

00:27:22.480 support to keep this work going um and uh our x page is ia project all of our other social media can

00:27:31.920 be found on our website or from ia project on x thank you ma'am you're a warrior keep fighting

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00:30:04.000 welcome back with everything else president trump's trying to juggle trying to drug juggle maybe another

00:30:12.800 massive war in the middle east uh kurt mills joins kurt i what i found interesting there there's really

00:30:19.840 not been a readout or maybe i missed it but it hasn't been a lot they had a three-hour meeting yesterday

00:30:24.720 with netanyahu i think it's six time he's been over uh they had the in the pre-meeting had about the

00:30:31.280 board of peace and in the meeting they talked about that they also talked about the redevelopment

00:30:35.760 of gaza which is a very high priority for president trump that the qatar and uh and the turks qatar

00:30:42.960 will provide the financing most of it or organize it and the turks will oversee the security and he's

00:30:49.440 pressing forward with that as his advisors jared and company are doing it uh but we didn't hear a lot

00:30:56.880 a lot hasn't leaked uh about what's going on although there's still assets moving into the

00:31:03.200 region so what's the latest that you're hearing yeah so i think yesterday was a big deal for

00:31:09.120 potentially avoiding a war with iran uh number one uh as you flagged yesterday uh the prime minister

00:31:15.520 of israel's interest into the white house was unusual it was done through the side door um that's not

00:31:20.320 really how a head of state is generally treated um marco rubio looked a little bit uncomfortable with

00:31:25.440 him and the israeli press has picked up on this saying that uh netanyahu's visit this time was

00:31:30.000 done with much less pomp and circumstance and that that was relevant uh secondarily uh the turks most

00:31:37.280 most notably the foreign minister faydan is messaging explicitly it's unclear if this is true but they

00:31:42.880 haven't gotten anything wrong yet they are messaging explicitly that the administration is weighing

00:31:47.760 a low enrichment deal with the iranians this is a big deal so essentially what this means is that

00:31:54.240 the u.s would agree to a deal that would have a lower much lower potentially uh level of enrichment

00:31:59.040 than the obama era jcpoa but so it's better it's a stronger deal uh but it also avoids a war

00:32:06.000 yeah but this would be totally i mean i i thought president trump's been pretty adamant

00:32:10.240 and this is why netanyahu wants to expand the conversation it was zero enrichment zero ability

00:32:15.760 to make weapons and also going to the ballistic missiles no delivery systems in fact i think even

00:32:22.080 shorter ballistic missiles that can hit tel aviv on a tactical basis bb wants that expanded to that

00:32:29.040 at a minimum plus he wants to talk about additional efforts for regime change i mean they want to start

00:32:34.240 shooting immediately but even in the negotiation discussion it's some sort of regime change discussion

00:32:39.440 how do we go from that agenda i mean one from from the march to kinetic war to the broader agenda

00:32:46.720 now to an agenda it looks like that looks like something a deal can get done because as you said

00:32:51.360 yesterday and so many people i've talked about a lot of the persians particularly rgc guys saying hey

00:32:57.280 if we're going to get stripped of everything let's just get it on now and that's one of the reasons

00:33:01.440 qatar these meetings the three-hour meetings took place yesterday and cut and cutter and in other

00:33:06.880 places that were saying hey we're exposed here these guys may lighten off rockets all over the place

00:33:12.400 we don't have the defenses that other people have they're going to take down our oil and gas industry

00:33:17.520 for maybe half a decade sir i think the first point you make there's some ambiguity the president

00:33:23.840 has been most adamant about no nuclear weapon uh he hasn't been and has been very conspicuous

00:33:29.040 throughout this process he hasn't been adamant generally speaking about no enrichment or no

00:33:33.600 ballistic missiles these are the israeli asks and he has not been messaging that unless it's like a true

00:33:39.120 social that occasionally seems almost like it was written for him or an off the kind of off the cuff

00:33:43.680 comment the the clear messaging is no nuclear weapon that was reiterated yesterday by vice

00:33:48.400 president vance which i think was also notable because i don't think vice president vance would

00:33:53.040 talk out of turn from the president so the administration's policy at the top level seems

00:33:57.600 to be no nuclear weapon if that is the policy then there is a deal to be struck that is better than

00:34:02.720 the obama jcpoa with the iranians and that seems to be what we're talking about here if the deal's

00:34:08.560 criterion are widened to quote zero enrichment which means zero nuclear you know basically we're

00:34:13.920 talking about zero versus 1.5 at this point if it's widened to that and it's widened to no ballistic

00:34:19.760 missiles from the perspective of the iranian regime they'd rather just go to war because they may

00:34:24.560 survive the war and keep their weapons i want to go to turkey for a second um you know president trump

00:34:31.040 has had a long-term relationship with erdogan and let's be blunt he thinks quite highly of him when

00:34:38.240 um when we had the president trump went to knesset and you had those two meetings you had one at the

00:34:44.960 at the at the resort uh i think on the red sea uh that um you know it was going to be the signing

00:34:51.280 of the actual document this is the gaza peace document in the redevelopment document president

00:34:56.080 trump went to the knesset first then uh he went and it was announced when he was getting ready to leave

00:35:02.160 that bb was now invited was going to attend as president trump's heading there erdogan's coming

00:35:07.840 in his jet and puts out and i think tells people hey if netanyahu i can't have netanyahu in a meeting

00:35:13.920 there it's got to do and then all sudden you know netanyahu came up with some reason that they had a

00:35:18.480 religious holiday or he had to go to religious observance the president has also been uh very um

00:35:26.480 adamant about and he's been he hasn't budged on this that qatar is going to have a major role here

00:35:31.360 and what i call the the two-state solution in gaza the foothold into israel where you're going to have

00:35:38.400 2.2 million palestinians qatar money and if you look at the drawings it's a new tel aviv or a miami beach

00:35:46.800 on steroids that's what they're committed to to build and qatar is talking about putting up that kind of

00:35:52.480 money the um the turks will be security and they'll be organizing uh the egyptians and uae and

00:36:00.160 other military forces now people i talked to in israel times say that's never going to happen

00:36:04.960 that's all a fantasy uh etc but talked about this this foreign minister today he was pretty adamant that

00:36:12.240 they actually are in discussions uh for a low level of enrichment and given president trump's

00:36:18.720 uh relationship with erdogan and you heard the vice president what he said yesterday no one in

00:36:24.240 the american government has countered that and given president trump's relationship with erdogan

00:36:29.760 there may be something there is it not no for sure and i think it's interesting that you link the iran

00:36:36.000 and palestine uh files it's something that i was told sort of overnight by someone who would know is

00:36:41.440 that there are elements of the administration even potentially people uh like jerry kushner who are

00:36:46.400 i think ambiguous players on middle east politics who think solving the iran issue non-violently is

00:36:52.240 potentially the key to also solving the palestinian issue non-violently now of course this isn't what

00:36:57.360 benjamin netanyahu wants i think he wants a continuation of the war on both fronts and so

00:37:01.840 this would be bad for him politically and thus that's why he's lobbying here in washington um but

00:37:06.560 as to the turkish relationship yes uh it has it's probably one of the most underexplored if not

00:37:12.080 the most underexplored relationship in geopolitics trump and erdogan quietly have gotten on for some

00:37:18.480 time since the first term as i think you allude to and uh the turks have been very very careful players

00:37:25.040 uh throughout all of this there's no love lost between uh turkey and iran and the turkey repeatedly

00:37:31.520 uh both on and off the record will assail uh the iranians for use of proxies in the region but what

00:37:36.480 they don't want what they don't want is a all-out u.s israeli regime change war in the region number

00:37:42.800 one uh they don't want to deal with the flow of refugees uh there's been tons of refugees that turkey

00:37:48.000 has handled from the syria war but number two they know that they'll be next on the hit list um uh for

00:37:54.400 israel if if israelis are able to convince the americans to get involved um frankly i have heard when

00:38:00.160 netanyahu comes to washington half the time he talks about turkey as much as he talks about iran

00:38:04.480 yeah i mean look the the ancient enmity between those two the turks and the persians is is a

00:38:11.280 historical fact look i think erdogan sees himself as a man of history a historic figure uh maybe even

00:38:17.840 a world historic figure and he is trying to reverse world war one he's trying to reverse you know general

00:38:24.080 allenby and lawrence arabia the arab revolt all of it that took the two holy sites away from the ottoman

00:38:29.760 empire and he's working with qatar uh i believe he wants to have you know leave with an ottoman empire

00:38:37.040 and a caliphate that controls the two holy sites now that is quite controversial but i think his plan

00:38:43.600 is pretty straightforward and like i said he sees himself as a historical figure uh and president

00:38:48.160 trump has a strong relationship with him you can see that every step of the way here president trump

00:38:53.120 has a strong relationship with him so that's going to happen i want to go back to that point you make

00:38:57.440 that not enough people talk about the two files kind of working together president trump's a man of

00:39:03.680 peace and he's a business guy you can tell that the abraham accords is not a political deal the

00:39:09.760 reason you were having sign up from it is that it's a business and financial deal remember the people

00:39:16.880 running the gulf emirates because these are not democracies they're not politicians they're business

00:39:24.080 people they're business people in the area of oil and gas and now they're taking their their excess

00:39:29.120 cash and they're putting it sometimes works sometimes it doesn't work but they're trying to be high tech

00:39:34.000 both qatar uh uae uh the saudis uh they're putting in they are business people and they look at things

00:39:41.200 to a business uh perspective that's why the abraham accords as kind of shaky as that's been has actually

00:39:48.480 worked here you actually have another business transaction it's not a political transaction it's a

00:39:55.120 real estate development massive capital you got to have security that has a political oversight from

00:40:00.880 it but it's a very high priority for president trump anybody that doesn't get that doesn't understand

00:40:06.080 what's going on and that's why he's been adamant with all this you know thing he says these are small

00:40:10.880 issues and we can decide of the disarming hamas and people i know in israel i know some very well

00:40:15.600 are saying that's not a small issue they're they got to be disarmed but that's why i think they've

00:40:20.560 linked now the going forward with the turkish and the qatar involvement to a broader perspective i would

00:40:28.240 just tell you i think people in the region fear that the opening couple of salvos on any type of

00:40:34.960 military interdiction they're not prepared for it could have massive business consequences for people

00:40:40.160 like in doha and uh in abu dhabi and dubai and other places when missiles start hitting kurt mills

00:40:48.240 no i think you're quite right to pick up on this business element as the potential uh actual wedge

00:40:53.520 between the us uh and the israelis at this point um the the fact is uh war will be bad for the kind of

00:41:01.120 business the sort of investment and building infrastructure in the region that both the

00:41:06.080 administration wants to get involved in and also trump's own family uh these investments in the

00:41:11.360 the gulf won't be worth anything if they're basically target practice for iranian missiles

00:41:15.680 and so i think this is while you know trump has gone pretty far with netanyahu this is actually a

00:41:21.280 potential point of departure uh between their visions because uh this is not the netanyahu vision

00:41:27.120 the netanyahu vision is to atomize and to chop up the arab and muslim worlds and uh he views that as

00:41:34.640 basically mowing the lawn and ensuring israeli security i'm not so sure that actually ensures

00:41:39.680 israeli security but that's his vision for his country since the 90s and that is pretty pretty at

00:41:45.120 loggerheads uh with a expanding financialized arab world uh where you know trump and his family can

00:41:51.680 build hotels and kushner uh can build hedge funds based in uh riad and so i i think this is uh actually

00:41:59.120 what could actually stop an all-out war at the 11th hour and you know uh at this point you got

00:42:05.200 to take what you can get uh if this prevents a war i think that's that that's a sort of re-emergence

00:42:10.080 of uh financial peace theory it's it's it's you'd have to go pretty far to look at as bad of guys as

00:42:17.920 the ayatollahs and the mullahs the point i make number one having been over there at the beginning of

00:42:22.640 this fiasco is that as i remember the people in the streets now and their parents around they

00:42:29.200 overthrew we were involved i mean persia and in the shah of iran in iran that was our ally like

00:42:35.680 nobody else that's all you know from johnson to nixon uh these were the guys you know they had the

00:42:41.120 biggest armament the biggest army they bought the most weapons they had the most modern military

00:42:46.080 and uh you know the shah was uh was far from being a perfect guy they had what savak and in

00:42:52.000 these terms and they were turfed out and they were turfed out because people wanted islamic republic and

00:42:57.840 guess what since 1979 they've got one and you can tell the country's shattered president trump and

00:43:04.880 these economic sanctions plus scott besant the the us media hasn't said a lot about it but if you look at

00:43:10.560 the regional media they're all over scott besant went and destroyed their currency

00:43:16.240 i mean he crushed it it's one of the reasons that the that the uh that they took to the streets

00:43:20.560 the economic sanctions are working now netanyahu keeps saying and levin and these guys keep saying

00:43:25.280 you can't trust the moolahs you can't trust any deal i think the one thing they're missing

00:43:30.080 is that the president has trust whether you like it or not he has trust in

00:43:36.160 cutter and he has trust in turkey in the uae let's take a short commercial break one uh i want

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00:46:12.400 father abraham lincoln and of course donald j trump uh kurt mills i want everybody to get your

00:46:18.800 social media and go to american conservative i want to keep up i want people to keep up with you you've got

00:46:23.760 a quite different take on they're inundated with fox news and the neocons all day you need to have

00:46:28.640 another alternative uh where do people go yeah for sure uh you go to www.theamericanconservative.com

00:46:37.040 we are a magazine founded by patrick j buchanan and other conservatives in 2002 against the iraq war

00:46:43.280 uh we are uh the encore generation that are working against a new iran war today in the 2020s

00:46:49.120 and you can find my own uh information at at kurt mills at c-u-r-t-m-i-l-l-s on x and yeah you can

00:46:57.200 find me there and i think you know look very quickly the point you made about 1979 is very useful uh

00:47:03.760 a you know a lot of times you know lindsey graham is arguing that trump should be quote reagan plus

00:47:08.880 putting aside the hilarity that trump doesn't really seem to like that name um something that trump actually

00:47:13.680 should avoid is is becoming carter plus uh when the iranian revolution first happened uh what

00:47:20.400 occurred is that the hawks and proto neocons around brzezinski urged them not to work with the new

00:47:26.160 regime you don't have to like the new regime but the fact is they controlled iran they argued for um

00:47:31.280 you know accepting the shah to the us they argued uh for uh the special operation operation eagles claw

00:47:38.240 that failed and so you know yes uh trump is probably pretty high on the special forces operation

00:47:44.080 uh in venezuela the cap maduro but it's not a clear with the military options here and there's tons of

00:47:49.760 risk and not a lot of hot upside and the president trump would not want to repeat jimmy carter's

00:47:55.360 mistake by doing intervention in iran in fact cnbc's got a good article today about all the alternatives how

00:48:00.960 tough the military uh was i was also there for the workup uh for equals claw uh kurt thank you so much

00:48:07.440 look forward to having you back on this afternoon tomorrow this is a fluid situation folks so keep

00:48:11.200 up to date with kurt non-stop tage gill uh you've been what 16 18 times your thoughts about a military

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00:48:25.200 world all right yeah i don't think we should go back into or go into iran i don't think i mean if we

00:48:32.560 can bomb them again and get away with it that's one thing but how many times can we do that and

00:48:36.640 get away with it cleanly i think you know this venezuela thing went smooth but i think we're

00:48:43.600 going to get in trouble attacking iran i don't think we can get away with doing it over and over

00:48:49.200 there's chinese aircraft landing in there all time all the time there's a chinese railroad that goes

00:48:53.360 into iran they're partnering up with russia they've helped russia extensively in ukraine now it's russia's

00:49:00.160 turn to help iran so if we if i think if we get tangled up in iran again it's not going to be

00:49:07.840 clean like like the last time and like venezuela i think it's going to get dirty and then if it does

00:49:14.400 turn into a boots on the ground thing there's going to be a wave of refugees and guess where

00:49:19.040 they're going to america and europe and we already have enough of that look what's going on in texas

00:49:23.760 dealing with all the muslims down there setting up sharia law and invading the country there's already

00:49:28.480 50 million muslims in europe and that's because of the 2011-2012 arab spring from hillary clinton

00:49:36.400 and barack obama they they toppled you know syria libya and all the other countries in the middle

00:49:42.080 east and a wave of refugees flooded europe and that's what will happen if this thing goes sideways

00:49:47.920 and we end up in a prolonged kinetic conflict in iran there's going to be waves of refugees and

00:49:54.480 they're going to flood the west that that's that's something i haven't heard a lot of people talking

00:49:58.960 about and then this is just going to be the continuation of the endless wars and even now

00:50:03.440 if if we don't go kinetic in there this is a basically a continuation of the kinetic of the

00:50:10.000 endless wars for the military industrial complex just moving that naval armada and all the troops to

00:50:16.080 the middle east as leverage that costs billions of dollars to to do that so that that is that feeds

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Episode 5138： Rise Of The Digital God From Our Automated Overlords; Stopping H1B Fraud

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