Episode 5171： Judge Order On Fulton Ballot Seizure; AI Revolution In The Department Of War
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Pres. Donald J. Trump delivers his State of Emergency address to the nation, and calls for an end to the rampant voter fraud he claims is rampant across the U.S., including in his home state of Georgia. Meanwhile, a Florida sheriff s office says it killed four people and wounded six others during a shootout with a registered speedboat on the Florida Turnpike, and the Iranian foreign minister says they will never seek to develop nuclear weapons.
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promoting something that we mentioned with senator klobuchar last hour what's called the save act
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a republican solution which is in search of a problem a fix for something donald trump made up
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in the aftermath of his electoral defeat in 2020 once more for the people in the back claims of
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widespread voter fraud have been wholly debunked again and again and again year after year after
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year and yet the gop is right now fighting tooth and nail to put something on donald trump's desk
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that could potentially disenfranchise 21 million up to 21 million american voters in the name of
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solving a fake problem to underscore the ridiculous nature of that pursuit consider what's happening
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here in fulton county georgia that's atlanta the state election board there is once again
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wrapped up in review of years old election results thanks to a federal subpoena search and seizure of
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related materials well the republican appointed chair of that board in a conversation with the
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atlanta journal constitution podcast says there's a lot of political theater going on
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the fulton county that's elections department that is there now is not the same one that was there in
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2020 i'd be the last person to say that there was no mistakes in 2020 there's a lot of mistakes
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there's a lot of uh... for a lot of different reasons you know you're having election during
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covid they were hiring people that weren't trained properly uh... there was a whole lot of absentee
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ballots and there's just a lot of issues that happened in 2020 but i've yet to see anything
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that would rise to a level of a crime or malfeasance or anything like that it's just a lot of mistakes
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that were made but you know 2020 is over with we have had multiple elections since then
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hi he said i've yet to see anything that would rise to the level of a crime or malfeasance or anything like that
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thankfully for veer went on to insist he has not quote had any serious discussions with any board members
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however the broader concern persists the president united states
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is right now applying pressure on officials at the state and federal level
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to accommodate his outright falsehoods about widespread voter fraud
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more breaking reporting tonight from ms now donald trump's department of homeland security
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just told states that ice agents will stay away from polling locations ahead of the midterms
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dhs official made that pledge on a call with secretaries of state earlier today
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if we trust what they say this is obviously a win for free and fair elections
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and proof that public outcry does move the needle
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but we have learned time and time again that dhs cannot be trusted by words alone
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according to maine secretary of state sheena bellows on that same call
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federal agencies refuse to make public statements reinforcing the constitutional principle that the states
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not the federal government are in charge of elections i know you're shocked michael
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i don't believe a damn word of it i don't believe anything that comes out of dhs
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i don't believe anything that comes out of pam bondi cash patel
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because it's all a lie because this election means more to this president
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because it sets in motion what the next two years look like for him
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so y'all y'all can get you know drink that kool-aid if you want to
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but simone i'm not i'm not buying an inch of it
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more breaking news cuba says it killed four people and wounded six others during a shootout
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with the florida registered speedboat their nationalities are unknown right now
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here's what secretary of state marco rubio is saying about it
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suffice it to say it is highly unusual to see shootouts
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in open sea like that it's not something that happens every day
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it's something frankly that hasn't happened with cuba
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u.s and iranian negotiating teams are meeting today for another round of high-stake talks in geneva switzerland
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now during his stead of the union address president trump had said he'd yet
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to hear iranians promise that their country would never have a nuclear weapon
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though hours before that speech iran's foreign minister posted a message
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online saying that tehran will never seek to develop one
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secretary of state marco rubio talked about today's meetings
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well i think tomorrow steve and jared will be there i think they're on their way there now actually
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and the president was very clear last night that he always prefers diplomacy
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but i want you to understand and everyone should know that iran poses a very great threat to the
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they are in possession first and foremost after their nuclear program was obliterated
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they were told not to try to restart it and here they are you can see them always trying to rebuild
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elements of it they're not enriching right now but they're trying to get to the point where they
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ultimately can the other thing i would point you to however is that iran possesses a very large
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number of ballistic missiles particularly short-range ballistic missiles that threaten
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the united states and our bases in the region and our partners in the region and all of our bases in
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the uae and qatar and in bahrain and they also possess naval assets that threaten shipping and try to
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threaten the u.s navy so i want everyone to understand that and beyond just a nuclear program
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they possess these conventional weapons that are solely designed to attack america and attack
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americans if they so choose to do so these things have to be addressed so i think framing is the right
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way to set it up because this is part of a continuation a story that trump has been telling
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for for years now uh going all the way back to his first election in 2016 this idea that
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there is malfeasance that democrats are somehow you know manipulating the votes that they are
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the reason they support immigration the way they do is because they get to cheat you know this has been
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a consistent through line and now that he's in this position of power he is on sitting on top of the
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right-wing media and this larger echo chamber and it sort of served two purposes either they
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successfully leverage power and drive this thing through in which case they've managed to
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genuinely you know suppress a large part of the vote and make it really difficult for people to
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vote and therefore maybe even win as a result of that or they don't get it through but they spend
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the next few months undermining the elections telling a story about all this supposed non-existent
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cheating that's happening out there working up their people into a frenzy so that immediately after
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the election or even maybe before it they can either crack down in some way in an elastic effort to sort of
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seize seize the election through extraordinary means or invalidate or hold the results sort of up in the
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air afterwards so that they can continue to sort of leverage that uncertainty for their own political
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power and that's really the framing here it's part of this larger narrative that trump has been telling
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and we just can't divorce that the lies are are are a point here they're part of exercising political power
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this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on
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these people here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people have had a
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belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do everything in the world to stop
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that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do people like that go to share the
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big line mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any of these people had a conscience ask yourself
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what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer is to save my country this country will be
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it's thursday 26 february in the year of lord 2026 bobby kennedy heading out to austin texas today
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we're going to cover that this maha uh event in austin the president's coming out to corpus christi texas
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tomorrow our own brian glenn will be there brian will join us in a while from the white house
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so will neil mccabe from cuba uh to the caribbean cuba uh geneva um atlanta georgia fulton county
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news all over important news and of course massive uh negotiations behind the scene on artificial
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intelligence we're a mark build join us we're absolutely packed today i want to go first to
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georgia and uh jason frazier first garland favoree is also going to join us so jason i just first off
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jason i would like to have you respond because it's people and the reason we do these cold opens
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and we show the msnbc and cnn and i know the audience used to hate it now they like it because
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they see the information warfare out there every night folks you have to understand they pound and
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pound and pound there's nothing to see here nothing happened this is all lies this trump's a liar
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the people around him are wing nuts and you saw at the beginning that was one of the shows last
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night in the a block nothing to see here they've they've they've done 50 investigations in georgia
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and there were two votes uh that can you just answer uh uh jason because you've done you and rossi i
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think have done the pick and shovel work can you respond to the msnbc anchors in the in the first part
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of that cold open sir i mean i guess the easiest way to sum it up is when i ask my children to clean
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their room they don't lock the door and say it's clean if we had clean election elections in georgia
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if we had clean elections in 2020 they would be happy to say you know what we're going to have a
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public press conference we're going to show you all the ballots we're going to record everything
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we're going to we're going to be proud to show you how good we are but they are hiding the ballots
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they have wanted to shred the 2020 ballots for years now they've said we don't have room in the
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warehouse for these ballots but all of a sudden now that the fbi graciously took them out of the
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warehouse so they have room that they wanted now they want them back i mean that tells you the story
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right then and there we've got problems in georgia they are afraid of what might be found
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um jason in fact i think the uh clark actually a couple years ago actually made a move to destroy
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the ballots but only because of the garland favoritos and the jason frasers of the world was a stop
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she wanted to actually destroy the ballots a couple years ago correct because it was too expensive to
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take up that space right we've got this giant new warehouse south of atlanta there is plenty of room
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there but they have been trying to get rid of the evidence and we've all heard about uh absentee ballots
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that came back and and somehow they were never folded i don't know how you send a ballot through the
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mail without folding it but we've heard of a lot of different issues the uh the moncler rossi case
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exposed a lot of issues like the uh the the zero tapes either didn't exist or weren't kept um and
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just chain of custody issues everywhere i mean i i think at this point there has been plenty of
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evidence we just need to see what happened we need to look at the ballots we need to analyze them and
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make sure that they're legitimate ballots so they weren't just printed at some print shop we just want
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the truth and once we get the truth in 2020 any issues that may or may not have happened we need
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to improve upon so that way future elections do not have these issues we want clean elections
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stacy abrams yelled about uh bad elections everyone in georgia has had issues with elections we just want
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to improve the process and if there is malfeasance we want people to be held accountable so that way we can
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trust our election system in georgia okay we were all set up to uh to have wall-to-wall coverage and
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to the degree that we could uh you you could get cameras in i realize it's pretty restrictive but we
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were about to have wall-to-wall coverage tomorrow on what was not really a hearing it was going to be
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a trial originally abby lowell and norm eisen wanted to go into court and argue we got it we need those
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those are our property and we need it back the the ballots the tabulators all of it last night kind of a
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bombshell ruling um can you explain to us what what happened because there's there's not going to be
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there's not going to be a trial or not going to be a hearing tomorrow sir what happened yeah i mean
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i'll take it one step further back it's originally this uh this lawsuit was filed with just rob pitts
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as who is the uh the chair of the board of commissioners i think he finally realized he doesn't
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have standing which is why they added the clerk of the courts in there and uh and that would be
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shea alexander but my understanding or just by reading this uh this new uh update is they must
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not have a clean case or why would it be kicked out to mediation so that's that's where we're at right
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now is uh is the ruling came back and it said we we need you guys to agree to a mediator you've got a
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week or so to uh to figure that out if you don't in a couple of weeks then uh it sounds like the judge
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may assign somebody but if they had a case they would just go to court but whenever you kick a case
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this important out to a mediator i think that's a flag and if nothing else that gives our side more
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time to investigate this uh this potential malfeasance so i think it's a good thing for our side
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but it it but in reality the judge because the judge is always putting his thumb on the scale
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for these guys you you could have wrote as they ruled against us so many times you don't have
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standing sorry see you later correct we never even really got to evidentiary hearings did we
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right tomorrow was supposed to be the evidentiary hearing um i was i was planning to be there it was
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a nine o'clock hearing but that got kicked out so yes it would have been nice they would have just
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dismissed it but kicking the can down the road is is i mean that's progress for our side we're used to
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uh to just getting thrown under the bus at every angle so at least we're moving in the right
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direction okay hang on for a second garland favorito is going to join us because the big showdown
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and the reason they don't want to do it why would anybody not want voter id one reason
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because they want to cheat there's only one reason
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they make up all excuses they say it's racist they come up with things you almost say what imagination
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they have they want to cheat they have cheated and their policy is so bad that the only way they
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can get elected is to cheat and we're going to stop it we have to stop it john
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garland favorito joins us uh garland uh we talk about cheating the president threw down hard
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the save america act right now unless thune gets off the dime is dead in the water and people just
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sort of understand that we've got to put massive pressure on thune uh to have a standing filibuster
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or rachel bovard's got a couple of good ideas about how to do this but there's no appetite in the senate
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just none to do this garland you fought this for years but the situation this bombshell that dropped last night
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we were supposed to be covering you guys you were going to be on uh jason fraser was going to be on
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we had a whole everybody was going to be on tomorrow because the whole focus of the world
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in the morning is going to be georgia and then president trump's coming to texas in the afternoon
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it was just a great show to uh it was a great way to show where this country is but we're not going to
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be in court tomorrow we're not going to have a hearing or trial or whatever it was because of a
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ruling last night and i'm confused about this ruling they were scrambling the fulton county people
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were scrambling to try to get standing and try to get people we were thrown out of court so many times
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not even have an evidentiary hearing to get uh on standing why didn't the judge just shut this down
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why are they treated differently now we got to go to this mediation and it's a couple of weeks you
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never know what's going to happen jason happens things hey bye it's a couple more weeks the fbi's
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got it but this to me seems black and white it should be thrown out sir your thoughts uh quite a few
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steve uh thank you uh very much for having me so um yes uh it should have been uh thrown out but i
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think jason is completely right this is a victory what was scheduled for friday was an evidentiary
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hearing and you remember uh when harry was on last week uh harry mcdougall he was explaining
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that the the doj's brief said that basically they were asking the judge to to cancel the hearing
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and he did uh bottom line is he canceled the hearing he has not uh officially dismissed the case but you
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know we've been saying all along that they didn't have standing bringing the clerk into the case may or
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may not give them standing it's it's debatable because she's not really a true interested party
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she's simply the custodian of the records she doesn't even own the records herself so the question
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of standing is still uh a question but in this order that the judge made first of all he completely
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disregarded the constitutional right claims that they made as we said on the show last week uh government
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agencies that are on this complaint they don't have constitutional rights and it's questionable
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even whether the clerk as the as a custodian of the records but not the true owner has a constitutional
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right because the clerk and uh chairman pitts are on in their official capacities they're not on in their
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individual capacities so therefore their rights are questioned so even even if they were to get
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standing they're still what um harry would explain would be a four-part uh substantive test that they
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have to meet and they don't meet any of these four parts which i can explain to you i think really
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quickly sure go ahead so the uh hold on before before i explain hang on hang on hang on before i want
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you to go through quickly the four parts harry would have been here he's in court clea's uh in in
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meeting she may be joining us later but garland kreby of rump the clerk didn't the clerk move a
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couple of years ago to destroy the ballot she's saying oh it's taking up too much space it's too
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expensive we want to destroy the evidence how are they bringing her into a case now when she argued
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it it should be destroyed a couple of years ago right that's exactly i'm so glad you asked that
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question i know you mentioned it with jason as well that was our case that was our case it was june
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of 2024 we were in court and the clerk went in with a straight face and told the judge that they
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don't have room for the ballots and this is after literally just weeks after they had spent 30 million
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dollars on a new 660 000 square foot warehouse which you've seen in the pictures that you showed
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earlier and she claimed that they they needed to destroy the ballots and that gets uh a little bit
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towards the the next of the four parts that she is not uh an aggrieved person in this whole matter
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uh and that and what you just said kind of proves it um so so the four parts uh are what we call the
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substantive uh issues that they would have to prove that is what's interesting to understand
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fulton county would have to prove all four of these parts one is they have to prove that that there was
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a callous disregard on the part of the doj for their constitutional rights they don't have any
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constitutional rights and there was not a callous disregard the doj or the fbi went to the court
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magistrate court and got a legitimate warrant that's number one number two whether the plaintiff has an
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individual interest in the need for the material well what is their interest in the need all they
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want to do is store it their interest in the need is they don't want the fbi to look at it and find out
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they committed crimes so that's not legitimate the third part is whether the plaintiff would be
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irreparably injured by denial of the return of the property and steve what you just said proves that
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they're not irreparably injured because the clerk wanted to destroy the ballots anyway so that they have
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to meet remember they have to meet all three of these and then finally whether they have uh an
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adequate remedy uh at law to redress their grievance well they don't even have a legitimate grievance
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okay hang on we're blown out of court every every time you get your nose rubbed and say oh they went to
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court 63 times and then we were blown out with this issue here of of standing and all those criteria
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every time why is this judge playing patty cake they're just he's buying time for the opposition
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i realize jason's right it's the first even victory just to not be shut out but why is he giving norm
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eisen and abby lowell and these crooks in fulton county a couple more weeks and have to go to a
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mediation we don't get a mediator then he's going to sign one so you're going to have a mediation
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issue that's going to go on for a couple of months is it not sir it's a great question steve and if
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cleta was here i think she would say that there is a double standard of justice in america there's one
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standard for democrats and then if there's any kind of a case that could benefit a republican
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there is another standard of justice uh and that is what's wrong with the american judicial system it has
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been corrupted but you're absolutely right this case should have been thrown out on its ear uh but
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uh this is uh this is the first victory and i i just i don't see that fulton county has a leg to stand
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on i've been saying this uh all along because even a guy like me who's not an attorney can see from
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my previous experience in winning standing in the george supreme court that they just don't have it
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you've been fighting we wouldn't be here if it was not for you and your team real quick i want you
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guys to hold raheem's on deck i got mark beal we gotta get some situation over the department of
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war sorted out jason frazier before i go to break correct me if i'm wrong i want the audience to
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understand this there there's a judgment out there so not to put a truth teller like you
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an american citizen that's done the work on publicly disclosed information you are supposed to be
00:26:30.000
correct me if i'm wrong on the fulton county uh board of elections they are they've had a judgment
00:26:36.400
against them and i realize they're fighting it 10 is it ten thousand dollars a day to keep you off
00:26:43.660
they're bearing that potential burden to keep you off fulton county sir that is correct we won an appeal
00:26:50.560
or we we won the uh the initial case and they refused to put me on the board when i say they i mean
00:26:57.480
the fulton county board of commissioners and and the judge held them in contempt saying you owe ten
00:27:02.960
thousand dollars a day until i am seated on that board and uh and being that fulton county they really
00:27:09.960
do not want somebody on there that can look at data and will speak the truth so it got kicked to appeals
00:27:15.460
court and it's been on the appeals court calendar since september but it shows february of this year is is
00:27:21.340
the date on on the calendar so we're getting right down to the wire on uh on february i mean it's it's
00:27:28.000
pretty obvious we we've got to get a decision very very quickly um tomorrow is the last business day
00:27:33.300
of the month so are you scheduled are you scheduled that you could be in court tomorrow they scheduled
00:27:37.760
to like give a ruling tomorrow sir tomorrow's last day of february right last work day yeah
00:27:42.520
well there won't be a hearing but they should have a response unless they just continue kicking the
00:27:48.640
can down the road like they do on everything else but hang on one second yeah hang on a second i'm
00:27:53.480
going to hold up i'm going to hold you two guys through rahim kasam's with us too mark beal
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advantage you move here's your host steven k man okay garland i guess we're going to look for a
00:30:20.100
mediator for a couple of weeks where do people go garland to keep up with you and all this because
00:30:25.340
i can tell you the war and posse this situation with the ballots with the fbi and the criminal side
00:30:30.320
and with uh tulsi gabbard on the election foreign interference uh is of paramount importance and i
00:30:37.660
know it is to the president of these united states so where do people go sir thank you steve uh it's
00:30:44.280
voter ga.org uh we just did a press conference about this topic on the events it's on the events tab
00:30:51.000
right now uh and that's voter ga.org we actually predicted yesterday that this was going to happen
00:30:57.200
they were the that it was going to be canceled the hearing was going to be canceled so it's a great
00:31:01.320
press conference we walked through all the fbi search warrant evidence and steve here's another
00:31:06.300
thing uh real quickly they have told me four times in open records request uh that they did not have
00:31:13.660
the ballots that the fbi seized so we have i've officially filed a complaint on that one for state
00:31:19.560
election board we're here hopefully we'll hear that next month but uh that's where you can go uh we
00:31:24.400
again we are all volunteers and any donations are tax deductible thank you steve garland stood the
00:31:30.280
breach by the way folks understand that they they lie they bald face lie to your face this is how bad
00:31:37.180
it is this is why we got to get to the bottom of this in georgia and the republicans say and and
00:31:41.720
and ravensburg is what running for governor it's a it's a complete and total joke down there the
00:31:46.200
republican establishment is revolting absolutely revolt haven't been for patriots like you
00:31:50.580
and uh caroline jeffords and uh sally grubbs and the entire dr jan jason frazier we would be nowhere
00:31:59.140
this is all the little guys standing in the brief say we're not going to back off on this thank you
00:32:03.940
sir jason frazier ten thousand dollars a day from september they got to the mar to respond we'll have
00:32:10.720
you back on in the afternoon to see if that will we'll slide you into our coverage of president trump
00:32:15.200
and corpus christi we'll give them to close the business and see if they respond because i'm sure
00:32:19.720
they're just going to blow it off uh where they go brother yes uh yeah you can follow me on x at
00:32:25.920
jason frazier usa and i try to try to stick to the facts show you what's going on in the state of
00:32:31.580
georgia and uh in most mostly fulton county so that way the world can see what's going on and and when
00:32:37.760
we expose these guys that's when things get fixed so yes thank you for having me on and uh and the
00:32:43.060
other patriots here in georgia takes all of us thank you thank you for the guy that is so dangerous
00:32:47.680
they take ten thousand dollars a day like that got that kind of money um thank you sir okay rahim's
00:32:53.260
with us i want to get into we got a situation at department of war we got to make sure we
00:32:57.540
understand and get sorted let's play that mark bill is going to join us and rahim kassam let's go
00:33:02.540
ahead and let it rip we've got a cold open president is also touting these pledges from these big tech
00:33:07.480
companies these ai companies who are building these data centers that in a lot of cities and states are
00:33:12.320
getting pushback from local communities with these tech companies that are saying we're going to now
00:33:18.840
cover all the energy costs all the electricity costs we got it is that going to be enough to to
00:33:24.760
shoulder this burden or this concern from americans and these are not americans who are worried about
00:33:29.120
losing their jobs to ai they are americans whose communities are suffering because of these data
00:33:34.260
centers whose electricity bills are soaring sky and it's what you it's a handshake deal there's no details
00:33:39.820
in here at all i think broadly speaking for years what have been frustrated that they feel that the
00:33:44.780
health care system doesn't work in this country corporations don't treat workers well higher
00:33:50.200
education doesn't you know get you what you expected in the past you can't afford a house climate you
00:33:56.200
know these crazy storms like we just had here so again they elect donald trump to change to address
00:34:02.060
these big structural problems that haunt all americans and he didn't mention any of those things last
00:34:08.780
night the handshake deals for these power you know consumption issues um open ai okay which is the
00:34:14.940
largest you know right now they put out 1.4 trillion dollars worth of basically contracts to all of these
00:34:22.300
major tech companies to build out compute okay to do that you need energy you guys were just covering
00:34:27.520
that okay so everybody wants nuclear do you know that to build a nuclear reactor it takes maybe minimum
00:34:32.880
seven years probably 10 to 12 years and it also costs maybe depending upon the size 15 maybe 30
00:34:40.620
billion dollars to do that so it's just kind of like going back to math here it's not something that
00:34:46.940
any of these companies want to sign contracts to one way or another but they do need to figure out a plan
00:34:52.440
to get through the next few years because a lot of this build out is not going to happen anyway for a few
00:34:56.980
more years in a major shift ai company you might not be familiar with them they're a behemoth
00:35:02.740
anthropic has officially dropped its hallmark safety pledge the pledge had included a commitment
00:35:09.600
to delaying ai development that might be dangerous but today the company said it would no longer do so
00:35:16.680
if it believes a lack of significant lead over a competitor it comes amid an escalating fight
00:35:23.780
between anthropic founder dario amade and defense secretary pete hegseth over how the pentagon
00:35:30.140
could use anthropics ai technology anthropic said it would not allow the pentagon to use its model
00:35:35.520
for mass surveillance of americans or the development of weapons that fire without human
00:35:41.360
involvement i'm just going to say this again the government's basically saying we want to mass
00:35:45.120
surveil the american people or we would have attacks that are just totally automated there's not
00:35:49.780
even a human involved but according to multiple reports pegseth gave anthropic until this friday
00:35:55.260
to back down from those safeguards and allow the military complete unrestrained access to the
00:36:01.800
technology or face punishment from the administration just hours ago axios reported that the pentagon has
00:36:08.420
already taken the first step towards blacklisting anthropic with a potential designation of a supply
00:36:15.480
chain risk that penalty is usually reserved for companies from foreign adversaries this is basically
00:36:22.580
saying you have to give us this technology and we will use it for what we deem to be lawful activity
00:36:28.340
they've just or you're done yes but but they consider lawful activity to be attacking men in boats who
00:36:36.120
maybe have you know rifles that can't even reach drones that that's a legal way that that's a legal way of
00:36:41.860
killing someone that they somehow represented a threat to the u.s military so it's frightening to
00:36:47.380
me that he's saying trust me to have killer robots as you said for mass surveillance trust okay we've got
00:36:54.840
uh jared and wickhoff in geneva and the persians are on the clock president trump said that we got the
00:37:00.080
georgia situation was friday we got president trump coming to texas because of a disturbing situation in
00:37:06.320
texas um we've we've got uh we've got everything in the world going on all on friday and yet this
00:37:13.580
may be the most important thing mark beale joins us mark explain to the audience why this is so
00:37:19.720
important and what's happening between the department of war and what anthropic and they're talking about
00:37:25.460
it is deeper and broader than just some contractor dispute uh between the pentagon and a uh and a
00:37:32.840
and a provider of uh of products and services sir hey steve this is incredibly serious i've you
00:37:40.640
know i've spent the last almost eight years working really hard to bring silicon valley and the pentagon
00:37:44.920
closer together just because we knew that those are the two groups that are going to help solve
00:37:49.660
important national security challenges and right now with this contract dispute as you said is way
00:37:54.900
bigger and more profound than that and complicating matters further is that both sides have an element
00:38:00.840
of truth and and are are right and wrong in some important respects and i'm just going to break
00:38:05.400
some of that down the first thing is from the secretary hegseth is absolutely correct that the
00:38:11.320
principal job of the united states military to be very crass about it is to kill the enemy and break
00:38:16.520
their stuff that is their their their obligation and that the only entity out there that can restrict
00:38:22.980
their activity is the united states congress anthropic is coming in and saying well hold on
00:38:27.840
i cannot guarantee you that you know my ai model can actually follow the law of armed conflict and
00:38:35.780
there these to these ai systems at the same time are simply not yet trustworthy enough to put in in
00:38:42.260
into combat operations so imagine you know secretary hegseth is a was a former commander he would never
00:38:47.260
issue a weapon system to his people that they couldn't trust and so as powerful and as smart as these ai
00:38:53.620
systems are they're still a little bit schizophrenic and you just don't give a schizophrenic access to
00:38:58.620
the cruise missiles and so what this means big picture is you know we have to sort of sort out
00:39:04.000
and congress has to get involved congress can no longer sit on the sidelines but hang on hang on hang
00:39:08.960
on whoa hang on they're not a little bit schizophrenic particularly when you're talking about
00:39:13.480
potential decisions they can be made it's still i mean we had the nine days to change the world and people
00:39:19.140
are talking about the machine learning and what's happening here is accelerating accelerating rate
00:39:24.920
but the glitches in the schizophrenia and all that those small groups are showing bigger things i mean
00:39:31.260
this is not number one it's the surveillance possibilities it's everything about against
00:39:36.440
the american citizen then it is the issue that without human control the ability of the human
00:39:43.080
to intercede or actually still be the the command and control ultimate function we have no earthly
00:39:50.260
idea what these machines could do right now right and doesn't the evidence show us that over and over
00:39:54.420
again absolutely these systems right now deceive they lie they try to blackmail you they they they
00:40:02.280
perform in some cases incorrectly okay hold on stop full stop stop a lot of a lot of the audience
00:40:08.080
understand that they deceive they lie they get into these bot rooms and they start speaking their
00:40:13.980
own language but humans can't understand they start talking about humans uh being being the enemy they
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00:40:20.600
start talking about their own religions i mean the things that are happening if you follow this deeply
00:40:24.740
are so incredibly scary it's like why are we even having a conversation about if some company
00:40:30.620
wants and about anthropics not perfect that's what we put the the the thing up at the beginning
00:40:35.460
they're also dropping their safety elon musk's whole safety group he disbanded a couple of weeks ago
00:40:40.500
the accelerationist and i think anthropic's doing this so they're not left behind by the accelerationist
00:40:46.420
the accelerationist here are are are putting their foot to the to the to the floor on the gas
00:40:52.520
as quickly as they can because they see ronda santis in florida they see the governor of utah they see
00:40:57.780
different states saying hey if you're not going to have any regulation then i got to protect my citizens
00:41:02.000
what we have here is the frontier labs that are are doubling and tripling down right and anytime
00:41:09.680
there's any question at all should there be any safeguards actually people in authority say well
00:41:14.860
we kind of like it with no safeguards in that the kind of field of intellectual battle we are right now
00:41:20.260
i mean i think you summed it up well i think there are there's a lot of money to be made in this arena
00:41:26.480
there's you know we're kind of we're as a species we're undertaking this incredibly perhaps the most
00:41:33.020
powerful technology transition that we've ever had and we're kind of just sort of playing it by ear and
00:41:37.300
doing it on a whim and i think you're absolutely right that these are these are like foundational
00:41:41.580
questions that will be essential for americans and in our way of life for the foreseeable future
00:41:47.220
and it's right now one of the biggest questions around this is like whether or not we want a robot to
00:41:52.740
take the life of another human being and instead of having this debate as like a as like a you know
00:41:58.080
in congress where it should be happening it's happening as a contract dispute between anthropic
00:42:02.200
and the department of war but reality is that none of these ai companies can guarantee that these systems
00:42:07.860
are safe and effective for those types of uses anthropic happens to be getting the buzzsaw right now
00:42:13.200
because they were the first to get into these classified networks but each and every one of these ai
00:42:17.680
companies has the same problem xai included and so i i think it's about past time for congress to
00:42:23.720
start to insert itself here and impose some some sanity and we hope that cooler heads can prevail here
00:42:28.820
we we you know we obviously want to see a strong relationship between the valley and the pentagon with
00:42:33.280
some robust guardrails in place this is important for american national security but that doesn't mean
00:42:37.680
that we should just throw out the whole playbook and be comfortable with things like killer robots and
00:42:41.580
mass surveillance okay i want to take it we'll take another cut of this tomorrow i'll talk to you
00:42:45.740
after the show but the decision pete's got to make and where it all stands for right now i want people
00:42:50.340
to immerse themselves in as much information as possible this is why we have brendan on here this
00:42:54.440
we have mark your site's got incredible information where do they go mark to join your uh to join the
00:43:00.720
movement where they go to get all the information possible and what's your social media they can go to
00:43:06.320
the aipn the aipolicynetwork.org you can learn about our organization and our activities and what we're for
00:43:12.780
and then if you want to see me on twitter i'm at mark beal mark how long have you you've dedicated
00:43:18.360
how many years of your life on this topic 10 years a decade is it darker now than you thought it was
00:43:26.240
going to be um it's like most things steve that the things that can offer the most promise can also
00:43:33.000
offer the most darkness and i think it's dark now because simply because we're not dealing with these
00:43:37.700
things head on we're pretending as if they don't exist and by doing so we're just going to sleepwalk
00:43:42.040
into a disaster amen brother well we're going to avoid that with the war on posse because we can't
00:43:49.040
let that happen this is such a bigger fundamental change the agricultural revolution the industrial
00:43:53.760
revolution this dwarfs all of it thank you sir appreciate you this is the transition
00:43:59.440
to the singularity we're on the path folks on the path short break rahim kasam next
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here's your host steven k bannon okay uh welcome back raheem i want to tell this story because i don't
00:45:53.020
know it was in 2025 it seems like it was last summer or something because i go to daily national pulse
00:45:58.460
it's one of the first things i go to in the morning and i just noticed i said man these things are he's
00:46:03.360
got these great writers over there he's pulled together and raheem's a news junkie and i guess
00:46:08.580
but it seems like these things are a little crisper a little better organized i like the way you can drop
00:46:12.400
down and so i just told him i said hey i really like the way you're improving the site and and the
00:46:17.540
stories are better and the more of them and they're more in depth and he goes yeah that's because we're
00:46:21.420
starting to incorporate ai i was in the mumble tech what and uh that was a wake-up call to me
00:46:27.800
because i'm pretty fervently against artificial intelligence but you can't be a luddite in this
00:46:32.920
situation but i know that you have deep concerns about this so tell walk me through how you manage the
00:46:38.920
use of some modicum of ai to make national pulse better and quicker and have bigger scale at the
00:46:46.040
same time that you've got probably as deep of concerns as i do because you actually are much
00:46:50.220
more involved in this sir yeah look um i was i was kind of slow to it as well and by the way coming up
00:46:57.640
coming up on a point that was made in the last uh segment in fact one of the clips you played
00:47:03.580
they were talking about the the the how long it takes to build um new uh power sources for this
00:47:11.380
stuff and i it just occurred to me you know we've known about this stuff going on over 10 15 years now
00:47:18.160
when when big tech and and the left were really coming together for the first time they knew all of
00:47:24.960
this stuff was going to happen they were doing the research they were planning it was in development
00:47:28.640
consumer side ai is a relatively new thing um but this has been in the works and what were they
00:47:34.220
doing at the same time well they were doing renewable energy and abandoning energy sources
00:47:38.820
all around the world to america's enemies um they would they have known that this is going on for so
00:47:45.360
long and yet we find ourselves in a situation where the energy needs simply aren't going to be met and
00:47:50.120
and and the energy burden is going to be passed on to ordinary consumers again same as everything
00:47:54.780
but look like as as your last guest said anything that has the potential to do a lot of good also
00:48:01.320
has the potential to be used for a lot of bad things i i figured out a couple of years ago but
00:48:06.520
in terms of spelling checks grammar checks fact checks uh things like that we can incorporate um
00:48:13.080
that i don't even know if i call it ai technology but that sort of language model technology into making
00:48:19.960
sure our copy is tighter making sure that we're on top of the stories making sure our
00:48:24.520
headlines are the most clickable versions of the headlines they can be um and to some extent it's
00:48:29.440
worked um certainly we can get to stories faster certainly we can pump things out um and and monitor
00:48:35.020
things a lot better than just say if you had five dudes in a room looking at this stuff which is how
00:48:40.920
i've always run a newsroom now in the morning i wake up and i have a summary ready to go on my phone
00:48:47.340
and i can go through it and go oh i see here's what's trending here's what people are talking about
00:48:51.160
here's what people care about how do i merge that with my editorial decisions what we're doing now
00:48:56.280
what we're talking about now with these malt bots that you say you know are in their own private chat
00:49:01.300
rooms talking about their own religions talking about their own future financial decisions right
00:49:06.440
this is a computer hang on hang on but explain i haven't done a good job explain the audience we
00:49:10.820
talk about that i know you and i know but explain the audience exactly say malt bot what exactly is going
00:49:16.020
on well a lot of people are now building on on air-gapped machines right machines that are not
00:49:23.620
necessarily connected to anything else that they've got in their home infrastructure it might have its
00:49:29.100
own internet connection it might have its own uh access uh to to finances a lot of people are using
00:49:35.420
this technology for instance uh to bet on apps like calci or whatever it is they they load up a credit
00:49:42.900
card and go hey you know the ai can do this better than i can and it can follow real-time trends
00:49:47.940
and people are actually you know making money building these personal um ai assistants um they have
00:49:55.920
they go by many different names malt bot open claw and it's it's actually become a very dangerous
00:50:02.820
thing a lot of people are finding that if they accidentally connect it to a computer that has
00:50:07.680
their credit card information linked to it that their own ai assistant has posted somewhere on the
00:50:14.880
internet their credit card information um there's all these horror stories out there some are real
00:50:19.300
some are fake by the way um and that and that in and of itself creates um a difficulty in knowing
00:50:25.200
what these things are truly capable of but the reality is that they are the next version of ai they
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00:50:33.200
are far more capable competent independent and intelligent than these things that say we've been
00:50:39.420
using at the national polls to effectively check our spelling and grammar and facts um these things are
00:50:44.360
making independent decisions um my friend has one running and i told it to give it my cell phone number
00:50:52.020
and it started texting me and it started texting me about what was going on in the world what was going
00:50:57.300
on in politics what was going on in finance what was you know what was i interested in and then
00:51:02.560
and it wasn't like a chat gpt style interaction by the way and then when it ran into some problems
00:51:07.120
with other processes it was doing it started texting me asking me for help and you know i had
00:51:13.360
like eight text messages from this thing being like hey i'm trying to do this i'm not sure i'm getting
00:51:17.400
stuck here can you help me out it's it's wild it's completely crazy and by the way you talk about it
00:51:23.320
being on the um you know transition to the singularity i mean that is getting closer not further away
00:51:31.160
what i'm talking about now ladies and gentlemen we are going to be you know our nose is pressing
00:51:37.760
against that stuff you know this time next year this stuff is moving at such a rapid clip that by
00:51:44.420
the way everybody you talk to who does you know military tech ai stuff like the dod is now or the
00:51:51.340
department of war is now dealing with effectively their kids and these are people who don't have the
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i don't think and having spoken to so many of them have the understanding of the gravity of the
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things at which they're dealing with they grew up in a world with machines they grew up in a world with
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computers they started swiping on devices from the minute they were born almost so they don't consider
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this to be as dangerous as perhaps you and i do we grew up in a world you know i was trying to explain
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what an abacus was to somebody the other day to somebody at gen z that no actual earthly concept
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of it um so it is it is deeply concerning is deeply dangerous and i i'm a little bit more pessimistic
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about it you say you know we can stop it i don't know if you can stop it uh real quickly 30 seconds
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you're gonna stick through the break with me you're saying this time next year are we prepared for this
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at all is there any government structure organizational structure social or cultural
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structure that's prepared for what's going to happen no there's nothing and there's no fallback
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plans either right we talk about the having these machines getting access to um weapons of mass
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destruction right and they will get that access and they will start making uh autonomous decisions
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about this stuff perhaps not in a year maybe in two or three years you start you'll start to see
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that creep in these machines once they gain their own sort of thinking whether they're whether
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they're in separate boxes you know not connected to to your own personal information or not um i sense
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there is a budding you know it's very difficult to talk about machines like this because you don't
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want to sound like a boomer but i i do sense that there becomes this budding resentment from the
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machine's perspective yeah that it has to rely on humanity for certain things and if that resentment
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reaches a certain level let's let's jump hang on i want to get back to the resentment next in the
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