Episode 5203： Counter-Intelligence Tracking President Trump; Iranians Demand Change
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Summary
Trump speaks at his golf club to discuss the latest in the Iran war, including a new purported justification for the conflict and a potential ground operation. Meanwhile, oil prices continue to rise on the heels of the news that Iran is cutting its oil production.
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Well, the United States has struck more than 5,000 targets since the war began in Iran.
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The president says in his press conference today that the operation is ahead of schedule
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and could be ending soon, in his words, and also said it could go further.
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Today, he also told CBS that the war was, quote, very complete.
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Many of the administration's stated military goals appear to remain weeks away,
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and CNN has learned a ground operation to secure Iran's nuclear stockpile could also be on the table.
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4-3 is now, and Donald Trump started it, but for Gulf War 3,
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there is still no coherent explanation from the president or the White House as to what exactly this is all for,
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not even an obviously pretextual false reason like we had from George W. Bush.
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The president did unveil a new purported justification for the war today in his rambling press conference at his golf thing.
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He said, quote, we're doing this for the other parts of the world.
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We're doing this for the other parts of the world.
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The Wall Street Journal is now describing this as the most severe energy crisis since the 1970s.
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CNBC calls it the biggest oil supply disruption in history.
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Because there is no way to safely move it to market, Saudi Arabia has now cut its production of oil.
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Iraq's production of oil is down to less than one-third what it was before Trump started this war.
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In Qatar and Kuwait and Bahrain, major energy companies have declared force majeure,
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which basically means they're saying, hey, you know, act of God, outside our control.
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We can no longer be held to any contracts we previously signed as they all radically, radically scale down their oil and gas production.
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And their proxies, Hezbollah, the Houthis and Hamas, either broken, ineffective or on the sidelines.
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On day 10 of Operation Epic Fury, we are winning with an overwhelming and unrelenting focus on our objectives,
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which are the same as the day I gave my first briefing here on Operation Epic Fury.
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They're straightforward, and we are executing them with ruthless precision.
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One, destroy their missile stockpiles, their missile launchers, and their defense industrial base.
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And three, permanently deny Iran nuclear weapons forever.
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It's a laser-focused maximum authority mission delivered with overwhelming and unrelenting precision.
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No hesitation, no hesitation, no half-measures.
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As President Trump declared yesterday, we're crushing the enemy in an overwhelming display of technical skill and military force.
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We will not relent until the enemy is totally and decisively defeated.
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Finally, to my friends in Saudi Arabia, I've been your biggest champion.
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I think the crown prince has taken Saudi Arabia in a completely different direction in a good way.
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But here's what I want to say to Saudi Arabia tonight.
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I'm willing to do a mutual defense agreement with your country to give you protection in perpetuity.
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Under the agreement I've been pushing, and I hope we can continue to talk about,
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if you're attacked by Iran, we would go to war for you.
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I want you to take a look at this graph from Bloomberg,
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showing the steep drop in movement both in and outbound.
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And according to data from Bloomberg, fuel tankers are now rerouting toward East Asia,
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where energy buyers there are outbidding rivals to lure fuel shipments.
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Oil prices surged past $100 a barrel at one point,
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before falling back after the president hinted that the war was very complete, whatever that means.
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Meanwhile, gas prices rose to an average of $3.47 a gallon.
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But as with everything in this administration, it is not what they say, but what they do.
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The president might say this war is over or close to it,
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energy ministers from the G7 will hold a virtual meeting to discuss a potential release of oil reserves,
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and that the U.S. believes a joint release of 300 million to 400 million barrels would be appropriate.
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I mean, a lot of it obviously depends on what the mission is.
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This idea, though, of ground forces securing actual nuclear material,
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Anderson, I'll introduce you to a term you've probably heard before, troop to task.
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We talked about this during the Russian campaign inside of Ukraine.
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How many soldiers does it need to accomplish X number of tasks?
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If you haven't identified those tasks in a country that's three times as big as the country of Iraq,
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and there are things all over this country, as we've seen with the airstrikes,
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Like, what's the military advantage that you get from putting people on the ground?
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And then, after you talk about the fighters, who are the supporters of those?
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What kind of security are the special operators going to get from conventional forces?
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and people that don't know much about military operations will say,
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oh, we'll just throw special operations at it, or we'll just ask the Kurds to do it.
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They don't really understand the numbers games, the so-called battlefield math of all this.
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The president said today that the Strait of Hormuz is open.
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I do not believe that is the reality, so level set it for us.
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I mean, you know, when you look at the marine, publicly available marine traffic GPS sites,
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you'll still see clusters of these ships, both in the Gulf of Oman and in the Persian Gulf,
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just waiting for it to be deemed safe enough to traverse the strait.
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Now, the reality is, according to an expert, it's only really open when the merchant mariners
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who are on these ships transporting these goods deem it safe enough to risk their lives to cross,
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Steph, they can, whenever they feel safe, cross the strait.
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But the problem is the factories that produce the materials they're transporting,
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whether it's petroleum products, liquefied natural gas, whether it's aluminum or fertilizer,
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all of these are industries that are served by ships that go through the Strait of Hormuz.
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Many of those factories, those facilities, have already ramped down production
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And it's not like flipping a switch to turn things back on.
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The president has indicated that maybe the operation will wrap up sooner than he thought it was going to.
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What's the plan once the U.S. stops military action?
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Will the U.S. play a role in the aftermath, or will they leave Iran to sort it out?
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Ultimately, the aftermath is going to be in America's interests, our interests.
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We won't live under a nuclear blackmail scenario of conventional missiles that can target our people,
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which is why the objectives have been scoped from the beginning.
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Missiles, missile production, a defense industrial base, Navy,
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all in service of ensuring they don't have nuclear power projection capabilities.
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And ultimately, that's why we're so laser focused on ensuring those objectives
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All the anti-Semites to all the isolationists, I don't believe.
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So we have a commander in chief in President Trump,
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who I think is Ronald Reagan, plus, plus, plus.
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Okay, Tuesday, 10 March, in the year of our Lord, 2026.
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We need every second we can get today so we can't do our long open.
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I want to thank the Real America Voice team in Denver
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and, of course, my own young charges here on the production staff for the War Room
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because, folks, that was probably the best distillation of what's gone on
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Morning Joe took a shot at your Maricopa situation.
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But I got to ask you, walk us through from yesterday afternoon.
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Let's go through from the president's phone call and interview to CPS
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to where we are after General Cain and Secretary of War Pete Hex's briefing this morning, sir.
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Yeah, well, I think at the end of the day, the president is staying the course that he's laid out,
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which is until the three objectives are completely achieved, we're not going to let up the military pressure.
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Now, he said, we've done a lot of damage, right?
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But the ultimate goal, as he said early on, going actually all the way back to last year
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when he started talking about the long-term objectives, the American interest in Iran is
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for them not to have ballistic missiles that can threaten any U.S. asset,
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and for them not to be in a position to harm their neighbors or their own people.
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And I think right now the president is still on board with that.
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As I've been saying, goal one was to diminish their air defenses, their anti-ballistic missiles.
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Goal two is to go after the IRGC and these very skilled warriors that are part of the Republican Guard.
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And that's where you're going to see the big bombs being dropped.
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They're going to hit these bunkers where the Republican Guard and their assets are trying to thin out their ranks
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so that when the bombing stops, the Guard is not in a position, one, to attack neighbors of the United States,
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but also not to attack their own people like we saw in the weeks leading up to this war.
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So I think everything is right where we've been briefed it to be.
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The media can say what it wants to say, but at the end of the day,
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it is exactly on the strategic course that the president laid out and that Pete Hegseth has laid out.
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There are lots of comments that the president makes,
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and you see this storyline there that somehow the president's changing, and he's not.
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He's describing different aspects of what is achieved in those three primary principles that he's gave.
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And I think if the media was being honest, they would look at that and say,
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what he said today about this is actually related to what he said a month ago, but they're not.
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And, you know, so we have to tell the people what's really going on.
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And I've only got you at 1030, so here's what I want to do.
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I want to start with, because I want to get to Maricopa County by playing the cold open in the B block,
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but I want to go to your article, and if Denver could put this up,
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Trump targeted by four FBI codenamed counterintelligence probes that has snared hundreds of Americans.
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Yeah, you basically had four codenamed investigations, Crossfire, Hurricane, Plasmic Echo, Round River, and Arctic Frost.
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And what they did is they basically continuously treated the man twice elected by the American people as president
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as a counterintelligence threat from July of 2016 when Crossfire opened up to January 2025
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when the president was sworn in in his second inauguration.
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To do that, they had to penetrate the privacy of many Americans.
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Hold it, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, full stop.
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Yeah, the president, the FBI treated the president of the United States,
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a man twice elected president by the American people, as a continuous national security threat
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from July of 2016 in the middle of his first campaign to January 2025 when he was sworn in for his second inauguration.
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Each of these investigations had codenames, but at the end of the day, what they were was an effort to get Donald Trump,
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and it swept up hundreds of Americans, Charlie Kirk and his group and Rudy Giuliani and his legal work
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and Joe DeGeneva and Victoria Tencent, many other people, all swept up in an effort to find some dirt that they could hang on the president's house.
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And I think when you look at it from that 30,000-foot perspective, you have one of the clearest pictures of what looks to be a conspiracy
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to deprive certain Americans of their civil liberties, much like what the Justice Department brought against the Ku Klux Klan
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and corrupt police departments back in the 1960s in the civil rights era.
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You now have a new version of it in 2026, which looks at the FBI and associated intelligence agencies
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and government agencies as potentially depriving the civil rights of President Trump and those around him.
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And by the way, Harmeet Dillon is quoted in the story.
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She's the assistant attorney general for civil rights saying exactly that in the story today.
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So essentially for 10 years, almost a decade, the deep state, the FBI and others believe that
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and treated him with four different serious investigations
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that the current commander-in-chief and president of the United States,
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three times elected, as you're showing now in Maricopa Canada,
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was a major national security and counterintelligence threat.
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Yeah, he was treated that way, even though there was never any evidence to really prove it.
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At the end of the day, the president's now been, all the charges against him have been dismissed.
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And a lot of these investigations look like they were predicated.
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This is something Cash Patel has said, predicated inappropriately,
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including the raid on President Trump's home in Mar-a-Lago.
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Remember those FBI documents saying, we don't have probable cause?
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That's the sort of potential violations that the Justice Department could look at.
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Okay, before I play the Morning Joe, and the New York Times also has a huge piece in this Arizona situation
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John Solomon, four FBI code-worded investigations, which folks should know that when they do that,
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That's also an accounting function of how they allocate resources.
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Four against one individual who they never thought was coming back.
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Where is the process inside the system, as the system currently exists,
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that we get accountability, authority, and make sure it can never happen again, sir?
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Well, the football for criminal prosecution is clearly now in Florida,
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under the jurisdiction of the Miami U.S. Attorney and a very skilled group of career prosecutors down there.
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They're running grand jury activity down in Miami and Fort Pierce, Florida.
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Now, let's keep in mind that they don't even yet have the Round River documents that I mentioned today,
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because Cash Patel's team is just starting to find them.
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They only were found a few weeks ago because they were in these prohibited access files,
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And so it took agents and people digging to find these records, months to find them.
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But as this information goes down to Miami, you see exactly what Harmeet Dillon says in my story today.
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There is the potential for a conspiracy or racketeering case against government agencies,
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government players, private individuals, to deprive the president and others around him of their civil liberties
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Now, people like Lindsey Graham, the senator whose phone records were taken and others,
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And I think that that could be another potential area.
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In the story today, I mentioned that Michael Caputo,
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a guy that used to work in the Trump administration,
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and then went back to the Trump campaign to help in 2024.
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there was an allegation that the government seized his phone records and email records,
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including the advice he was giving President Trump on the 2024 campaign as a campaign staffer.
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Sounds a little bit like Carter Page, deja vu, all over again.
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So you could also see, and again, I don't know what Michael Caputo or other people's plans are,
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you could also see civil litigation, civil RICO, civil claims that people's privacy was violated.
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But at the end of the day, there is a double-barreled way to bring some form of accountability
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and to get to the bottom of what happened here, because I don't think we know it all yet.
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Even this story, as broad as it is, we don't know the full nature of it yet.
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Let's play the tape from the mainstream media of their thoughts about Arizona.
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Today, Trump's FBI has now obtained 2020 election material from Maricopa County in Arizona
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related to the review that Republican lawmakers conducted of that.
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Here's presidential results that confirmed Trump, you know, lost the state.
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In Fulton County, Georgia, they have now, through subpoena, gotten access to ballots from Maricopa County.
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Note they're not getting them statewide, right?
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They're not seeking to get all of the Georgia ballots or all of the Arizona ballots.
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They're targeting blue cities in the same way that when Donald Trump said he wanted Republicans to take over voting,
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And in a later comment, he, I think, listed Detroit, Philadelphia, and Atlanta.
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And so the reason why this plays into it is because he is setting up the permission structure among his base
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and among people who are not paying attention that when he is not able to get the ballots in Detroit or Philadelphia
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or some other county because they say no or the courts won't give him what he wants,
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that he will then have the excuse to send in the FBI, to send in ATF, to send in CPB, to send in, you know, ICE,
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whoever it is, whatever federal agency it is, to seize the ballots.
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The vote was counted and recounted in Arizona, Maricopa County, several times.
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There's never been any evidence whatsoever of fraud.
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Yet, President Trump cannot accept that he lost 2020 and seems to be setting dangerous precedents,
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laying the groundwork, if you will, for potential interference in 2026 and 2028.
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Remember, this follows the similar action in Georgia, where the Justice Department has seized records and is in Fulton County.
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So there are really two possibilities that, look, this could be a part of a plot,
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a plan to somehow interfere with the midterm election and or the 2028 election.
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And somehow skew the outcome toward the way that President Trump wants it.
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And so we should all be really concerned about that and I think alarmed about that.
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The other possibility is that despite the fact that the votes in Fulton County were counted and recounted and counted again,
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and they've been counted every way you can possibly count.
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And the same is true in Maricopa County in Arizona.
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Despite all of that, the president actually believes that somehow that those counties and those votes were stolen from him.
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Despite all evidence, despite the fact that Republicans have looked into this and keep coming up with zero squat,
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that that he just believes his fantasy because he can't admit to himself that he lost the 2020 election to Joe Biden,
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in which case the president is delusional, and that should worry us too.
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John Solomon, you've been doing the most intense investigative reporting of this.
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Well, all of them have not taken the time, not surprising to me, to read the FBI affidavit in Fulton County,
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which lays out the predicate for what the FBI is looking at in these big city battleground state areas,
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It says that they have corroborated, they have substantiated, that's the actual word in the affidavit,
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to the satisfaction of a judge, a magistrate who issued the search warrant,
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that certain procedures were not followed in Georgia, and I assume we'll find something similar in Maricopa when everything's unsealed.
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In other words, they didn't follow state law in the administration of a federal election.
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And under Section 152 of the federal statute, a willful and intentional act that does not follow state election law
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What they're trying to do here, by their own admission, this isn't me, it's the FBI saying what they're doing,
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which none of those yahoos on TV apparently bothered to read.
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They're not trying to relitigate 2020 and declare a new winner.
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They're not trying to prove that Donald Trump won the election.
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They have reason to believe that these areas did not follow election laws in the administration,
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and they intend to bring accountability so that in future elections they'll do so.
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And here's one of the things that those yahoos on TV don't want to talk about.
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It's already obvious in my reporting yesterday.
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The Trump FBI, if you want to call it that, the Kash Patel FBI, is looking at the 2024 election in Arizona.
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Republicans had a good year in Maricopa County and in Arizona in 2024.
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The FBI is trying to hold accountable people who may not have followed the proper rules and regulations for election.
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Now, that's an allegation that some people have made.
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In Fulton County, it is very clear that the FBI substantiated certain irregularities.
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In Arizona, the grand jury subpoena and the search warrant remain sealed.
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I believe when it is unsealed, we'll see some predicate there and we'll understand why it is that they're looking at this.
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This is not an effort to redeclare a new winner for the 2020 election.
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It's to force these locations to make sure they're in compliance with state and federal law.
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Will that compliance, you think, be done by November?
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And if it's not, what can be done to make sure it's done by November?
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We cannot have, as you know, John, another situation like 2022, all of it.
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Well, listen, Harmeet Dillon's already made enormous progress on this in getting the voter rolls cleaned up.
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Several of them are in the process of cleaning up.
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And when we talk about cleaning up, we're talking 50,000 to 100,000, 200,000 names are being cleaned off a roll.
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That is sloppy management, not in compliance with state and federal laws.
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George is talking about putting Fulton County under receivership.
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But the truth of the matter is a lot of the things that went on in 2020, the quick rule changes under the name of COVID, those are now people have eyes on.
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And they're caught in real time before Election Day, and they're litigated and resolved.
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I think 26 will be a much more robust election monitoring system.
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One thing I want to point out is that I broke overnight, Steve, a story that's just really interesting.
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The House Admin Committee, Brian Stile, sent a couple of observers to Maricopa County in 24, when Trump won.
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And they found this warehouse where they saw live ballots and empty ballots, meaning ballots that were blank alongside of ballots that had been voted in the same location.
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A Democrat and a Republican observer together found this alarming.
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That is one of the things that has been sent to the FBI that triggered the Maricopa County thing.
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You can see the sort of things that are going on that raise concern.
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Maybe there's a good excuse, but the FBI is going to get to the bottom of it.
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John, real quickly, where do people go to keep up with all your investigative reporting?
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And I'm lucky enough to follow you every night at 6 o'clock right here on Real America's Voice.
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The greatest crime maybe in the history of the country.
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Four counterintelligence investigations of Donald Trump.
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I will tell you, Jessica, I have never seen integration between the United States military and another military.
00:30:02.320
But the United States and any other sovereign military, I've never seen this level of integration.
00:30:08.480
Aircraft from both countries, you know, in the skies above Iran at the same time, all feeding into a central command function,
00:30:17.260
sharing the same information between those aircraft, sharing the same intelligence,
00:30:22.020
sharing in some cases the same command structure and chain of command.
00:30:32.120
U.S. CENTCOM put out a post yesterday with the Israeli flag and the American flag
00:30:37.180
talking about how these air forces are just achieving total excellence
00:30:41.160
and performing with incredible excellence and success and professionalism working together.
00:30:51.880
where the U.S., the Bush administration, the first Bush administration,
00:30:56.040
asked Prime Minister Shamir, Prime Minister of Israel at the time, to show restraint,
00:31:01.560
Why couldn't Israel get involved, according to the Bush administration?
00:31:04.540
Because that would fracture the coalition, which included many Arab countries.
00:31:09.080
The Israel and the Arab countries couldn't be seen in the Arab countries' eyes to be fighting on the same side.
00:31:17.200
Now you have Israel and the U.S. fighting side by side, totally locked in,
00:31:20.940
and the Arab countries are joining that coalition.
00:31:23.960
So we are living on so many levels through truly historic times that I couldn't have even imagined
00:31:29.460
in terms of the transformation in the region, potentially,
00:31:32.720
and certainly the transformation in the relationship between the U.S. and Israel.
00:31:36.940
Okay, that's not Steve Bannon saying it's Dan Sr.,
00:31:39.200
and everybody knows Dan Sr. is a, how do I say, former spokesman for the Iraq debacle under Bush,
00:31:45.740
where he lied, bald-faced lied to the American people only every day.
00:31:48.940
Um, but he's also, let's say, quite close to the Netanyahu click in, uh, in Israel.
00:32:00.560
It is impossible to have happened on Saturday night, what happened on Saturday night,
00:32:07.320
with that structure, and it's from his lips, that structure, to have, oh my God,
00:32:14.980
And even Lindsey Graham putting out a tweet afterwards, hey guys, we've got to calm down,
00:32:18.700
unless the Israeli Air Force, the IDF, and the senior command of Israel,
00:32:25.400
And I think right there, that was an inflection point.
00:32:27.460
I believe President Trump, because they said, oh, he's going to have a heated conversation
00:32:35.760
Our war aims, and you just saw President Trump,
00:32:38.100
the war aims of President Trump look quite different than the war aims of Bibi Netanyahu,
00:32:44.060
And this is why I think Saturday night was an inflection point.
00:32:48.780
I don't want any oil, uh, assets to, I don't want any infrastructure touched, right?
00:32:54.400
I'm trying to get the, the, uh, Persian people on our side.
00:33:01.140
I want the bombing of like the Air Force Command Center that the IDF did take down,
00:33:05.840
I think on Saturday night, uh, which is a hard target,
00:33:08.640
but I don't want to spread this war into a Dresden type firebombing of Tehran.
00:33:16.640
Then the Persians will dig in and we'll be here five years from now.
00:33:21.240
the beginning of the separation that led President Trump to this podium today to kind of say,
00:33:28.480
We've got a couple of other things I want to do on my punch list, but we're out.
00:33:32.540
SOS reported citing U.S. and Israeli sources that the U.S. was not happy with strikes on 30 fuel depots in Iran.
00:33:40.960
Um, while this is, um, anonymous sourcing, you know,
00:33:44.880
it seems kind of congruent with what President Trump said yesterday,
00:33:47.920
that there's certain spots they don't want to, want to hit relating to energy infrastructure that would take a long time to rebuild.
00:33:54.340
Um, and you know, whether this reporting is true or not, what's your message to Americans,
00:34:00.740
those who supported the president and those who aren't really in favor of this war and who worry that Israel might be taking advantage of the U.S.'s backing?
00:34:10.900
Well, I would just state by saying Israel's been a really strong partner in this effort,
00:34:23.320
but when Iran, what Iran has felt is the power of the world's two most powerful air forces,
00:34:27.540
uh, in that particular case, that wasn't our, those weren't our strikes or that objective,
00:34:32.680
uh, or, or that wasn't our necessarily our objective,
00:34:36.260
but the president has made it clear to those concerns that we're not getting pulled in any direction.
00:34:43.480
He's determining where we want to go, what the outcome will be,
00:34:49.780
And I understand those concerns because I've heard from a lot of people who went through,
00:34:53.460
I went through 20 years of those wars myself, uh, worried about getting dragged in,
00:34:58.560
worried about mission creep, worried about nation building or, or democracy expansion.
00:35:02.480
Um, that's never the perspective the president has pursued on this just because previous presidents
00:35:09.700
and previous secretaries have decided to just pour more resources and more people in toward
00:35:16.880
No, Pete, we can't have two separate objectives.
00:35:20.080
This is now what, and it goes back to Lindsey Graham begging the Saudis to come in here.
00:35:24.920
You're not going to get the Arab States to come in here because they understand the makeup
00:35:29.040
Now you have a Persian nationalist movement. This is why, why president Trump's initial objective
00:35:34.900
was to support the overwhelming dissident groups in the, in, in, in Persia that hated
00:35:41.820
being under the boot of the Ayatollahs and the Mullahs. Why is that not happening? Yes.
00:35:48.020
They're still under huge threat, but one of the reasons here is this, this war shifted on Saturday night
00:35:54.660
because the Israelis did something that the president absolutely didn't want to have happen.
00:36:00.100
And we can't, we shouldn't be trying to gloss it over. We should be trying to address it.
00:36:03.520
And we should be trying to address it with the American people.
00:36:07.940
Trita Parsi, you join us now. You're, you, you, you are, you know, you're, you're Iranian.
00:36:13.840
You've worked with those guys. So this is not like a, and it shouldn't be an even handed assessment,
00:36:20.800
but give me your assessment of where we stand right now, particularly as my theory of the case
00:36:25.760
is now we're into, we've, we've, we've, the Israelis have managed to unite the Persian people
00:36:32.180
that were not united. And one of the central thesis of our efforts was to make sure that we had their
00:36:37.980
back as they took it in their hands to overthrow the Ayatollah in this Islamic Republic, sir.
00:36:46.400
Thank you, Steve. And just, just to clarify, I was born in Iran, but my family fled when I was four.
00:36:51.600
I've studied Iran for more than 25, 30 years. And in that process, obviously I've spoken to people
00:36:56.860
on all sides, including people deep inside the Iranian government. Your assessment is absolutely
00:37:02.060
correct. Uh, the attack against the oil refinery was a major, major turning point in all of this
00:37:09.180
already prior to that, there had been signs that this war was turning in the eyes of many Iranians
00:37:15.580
against Iran as a nation, rather than against his theocracy. You could see that when Trump was
00:37:21.340
talking about arming the Kurds, uh, um, you know, things that sounded as if the U S was going to support
00:37:27.680
a separatist movement, uh, fears that exist for a long time that the West is seeking Iran's
00:37:33.120
dismemberment. But the targeting of the oil refineries really hit the point home that this
00:37:39.140
is not about taking out the repressive capabilities of the state, you know, the besiege, the IRGC,
00:37:45.600
and then allow the population to rise up. Rather, this was targeting the nation as a whole, because
00:37:51.280
people in Tehran cannot breathe right now. I spoke to a person the day after he said that he could see
00:37:56.880
many people who had chosen to stay in Tehran, they gave up. They're leaving the city right now because
00:38:01.520
they actually cannot breathe. And he saw that on the streets spontaneously, some people, as they
00:38:07.600
were packing up their stuff and leaving, were starting to chant slogans against the United States,
00:38:12.640
against Israel. And these did not look to be, you know, the usual supporters of the regime. I mean,
00:38:18.000
the 15, 20, um, that would come out and protest on a regular basis in favor of the regime. This looked
00:38:24.880
like a completely different segment of society, and I've heard this now from several different people.
00:38:29.600
And this was the risk all along. I think we should take note of one thing, Steve. Remember that in Iraq,
00:38:36.400
in Libya, when there were these campaigns to regime, change the regime, there were never any instances
00:38:42.720
in which you saw a very, very large crowd come out in support of those regimes. And that's not to say
00:38:49.360
that this specific theocracy is particularly popular. In fact, I don't think it is at all. But
00:38:54.800
it does have a support base of 15 to 20% of the population. And we saw massive numbers coming out
00:39:02.080
from that support base yesterday, celebrating their decision to name the son of the supreme leader as
00:39:08.400
the next supreme leader. We never saw any of these things in Iraq or in Libya. And I think that tells us
00:39:13.840
something. It's a very different situation. This is an unpopular regime, but it does have a support
00:39:19.520
base. And then the rest of the population tend to be very, very nationalistic. And in normal
00:39:26.080
circumstances, they would have been completely against any foreign invader. In this case, there
00:39:31.200
was a segment that seemed to welcome it because they were just so sick and tired of this theocracy.
00:39:36.560
But those sentiments seem to have shifted very fast as it's become clear to them,
00:39:40.880
this is a war on the country, not a war on the regime.
00:39:45.520
So what are the alternatives now? Is there any way that the United States can move this
00:39:53.520
back to focus on the theocracy and let the people in Tehran and the other Persians understand that
00:40:01.680
we're not trying to destroy Persia or the Persian people. We're trying to take off or at least
00:40:07.600
degrade. Although I noticed Pete said today, it wasn't forced projection on the people,
00:40:13.040
it was forced projection on allies. He was very specific on that. So it's another war aim
00:40:17.280
that's kind of moved. What do we need to do to make sure that we're focused on the theocracy
00:40:22.560
and the Persian people understand that we're their ally in trying to
00:40:26.240
uh, trying to support their their their strike for freedom?
00:40:31.840
I'll be frank with you, Steve. I don't think it's possible, at least not in the short and the medium
00:40:36.080
term. And I don't think Trump has more than the short and the medium term. Look, Trump himself said
00:40:40.960
when asked by a reporter, he said that he thinks Iran's map is going to look different at the end of
00:40:46.720
this war. That has nothing to do with the theocracy. That's the territorial integrity of the country.
00:40:53.520
Having said these things, uh, not just once or twice, but repeatedly, I just don't think there's
00:40:58.720
any turning back. I think Trump should end this war as soon as he can. This war should never have
00:41:04.800
been started in the first place. It was a mistake going in. The good thing about Trump is that when he
00:41:10.320
recognizes the mistake, he has the willpower, the flexibility of reversing course instead of doing
00:41:16.640
what a lot of other American presidents have done, knowing very well that the U.S. was not
00:41:21.120
winning in Afghanistan. Nevertheless, he just kicked the can down the road, hoping that the next president
00:41:25.600
would have to deal with the debacle. Trump didn't do that in Yemen. After seven weeks, he realized this
00:41:30.080
was not going anywhere and he just pulled out. The difference this time around, though, is that the
00:41:34.480
Iranians also have a vote in as to whether this war ends or not. And I'm just not convinced that they're
00:41:39.440
ready to end this war. They believe they have to fight on in order to make sure that the cost is
00:41:44.640
as high as possible so that the U.S. and Israel never thinks about doing this again. If this war
00:41:52.000
ends, in their view, in a way in which it nevertheless was not too costly for the U.S. and Israel,
00:41:57.600
the Iranians fear that the U.S. and Israel will attack them again in six months. As was the case,
00:42:02.560
as you remember, there was a war in June that Israel started. The Iranians agreed to a ceasefire.
00:42:07.280
They regret it now. They believe that the U.S. and Israel used those eight months to regroup,
00:42:16.720
Trita, where do people go to get your commentary and observations, sir?
00:42:21.200
They should go to my Twitter, which is tparsi, or go to the website of the Quincy Institute,
00:42:36.160
Thank you. Eric Bolling, we got a minute here. I'm going to keep you to the other side. I know you
00:42:40.560
got a hard out at 11. The situation yesterday, we told them you couldn't hit any more oil. We're
00:42:47.040
going to come in hard. The Straits are her moves. They lit up UAE this morning. Did they not, sir?
00:42:53.920
Yeah. They hit a refinery in Abu Dhabi. Abu Dhabi refinery went down. Exxon pulled all
00:43:00.800
non-essential employees there. Steve, here's what happened. Trump said, if you block the
00:43:06.480
Straits of Hormuz, we'll hit you 20 times harder. Iran responded with, guess what? There's not one
00:43:11.360
liter of oil that's going to pass through the Straits of Hormuz. So there's literally a standoff here.
00:43:16.000
Both sides, they know Trump's Achilles right now is a high gas price. We are going to see a $4
00:43:21.200
price in gasoline nationally within a week or two, no matter how this thing ends or goes on.
00:43:25.680
Minimum. It doesn't matter. It's going higher. It's just the way the refining system happens.
00:43:30.080
They know that. And Trump doesn't want that because that feeds inflation. So, yeah.
00:43:34.160
Hey, hang on. Hang on. We're going to get all of this. We got eight minutes on the other side,
00:43:39.120
and it's all yours. Eric Bolling with the more about oil next.
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folks trust me because people are blowing my phone up behind the scenes on this.
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There was a we we the war went a different direction Saturday night.
00:46:05.760
Okay, we've now turned it into a Persian nationalist, which is exactly the thing President Trump did not
00:46:11.120
want or any of the planners did not want. As with capital, they're going through systematically
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a degradation targeting list. But you also have deeper things here about who you're actually
00:46:23.120
fighting. Now we're not now we're not trying to free a suppressed people from a out of control
00:46:30.240
Islamic theocracy. They're binding together because it looks like the Israelis are coming in and trying
00:46:36.400
to destroy their nation and them. Eric Bolling, you're brought a picture here on the oil war.
00:46:42.480
You get Lindsey Graham after five mint juleps on Hannity, I think it was or wherever he was on Fox.
00:46:49.840
This madness about Saudi Arabia. We were because the right now the Saudis, all of them are saying,
00:46:55.520
yo, we don't want to end this. This is they called Trump over the weekend after the bombing on Sunday
00:46:59.600
and said, we're out. What are you doing? We can't do this. We can't be partners of this.
00:47:04.160
The Saudis won't go in. It's a Shiite Sunni, but it's D. I think it's even deeper than that
00:47:09.040
about the monarchy and will they fall. So they're not in. So walk me through. You just had. And by
00:47:14.560
the way, the, the, the, the Persians said, Hey, I heard your speech yesterday. Boom. We're going to
00:47:19.600
go right to your biggest, your toughest guys. MBZ suck on this. And we're not going to Dubai and
00:47:25.360
looking at hotels. We're going to go to your capital, your capital, Abu Dhabi, and take out your
00:47:30.080
biggest refinery. This thing's getting nasty and they ain't backing down, sir.
00:47:35.840
They're not backing down and neither will Trump and, and, and Steve. So there's so many things
00:47:40.400
in play right here. I hear Lindsey Graham talking on Fox, you know, he's almost playing de facto
00:47:45.600
president. I don't know what he was drinking, maybe mint juleps. And they hear kill me this
00:47:49.680
morning saying, Oh, Trump should take Karg Island. That's the, that's the Iranian offloading of,
00:47:55.040
of crude oil into the Persian, into the Strait of Hormuz, into the Persian Gulf Island that 80%
00:48:00.400
of their oil goes through. It's insane. We don't want to play with their oil. This is the problem
00:48:04.240
that Israel, when they bombed an oil infrastructure, they created the, the scenario where oil could go
00:48:10.240
higher. And it did, it jumped. There's $120 two nights ago because of these bombings. It shouldn't
00:48:16.240
be about oil. This was supposed to be about getting rid of the, the mullahs that hate us. So
00:48:21.520
Israel gets involved, some rhinos, some war loving rhinos, and Fox gets involved in a way
00:48:26.720
they think is right. This is all wrong. This isn't what Trump wanted. This wasn't what Trump wanted
00:48:30.960
to do. I will tell you, between Saudi Aramco, Steve, you sent me an article about Saudi Aramco
00:48:36.000
saying this could be catastrophic for the price of oil higher if this thing goes on. Do you realize
00:48:41.600
something? When you sent that to me, something jogged my mind. These are all Arab nations. They are
00:48:47.040
petrodollars dependent. The more this goes on and the more it's about oil, the higher price of oil
00:48:52.960
goes, the better for them. And I'm not, I'm not, I'm old enough to be skeptical enough that that,
00:48:59.200
by the way, that was only the, that's only the lead story in the Financial Times of London. That's
00:49:03.200
my point. It's the headline, right? And they all want higher oil prices, right?
00:49:06.640
Of course. Yeah. But here's the, here's the point. Are they coordinating with Iran to,
00:49:10.640
we'll step aside, hit our oil and hit our refinery in Abu Dhabi. I don't know,
00:49:14.720
maybe hit some Saudi platforms and whatnot. Oil prices will jump up. We'll all look like
00:49:20.080
we're upset about this, but the reality is it screws Trump. It sticks it right to Trump.
00:49:24.160
And meanwhile, they smile to Trump. They shake his hand. They, they bow in, in the Oval Office
00:49:28.160
and they want a hundred or two, $200 oil will be even better for them. I don't know if it's collusion
00:49:33.840
or not. I will tell you the way to solve it. And Steve, we've talked about this. And since we spoke
00:49:38.000
yesterday, this little idea I brought to you, and I think it should be Bowling and Bannon's idea to,
00:49:43.200
to the, to the administration. I talked to Hegseth. I sent it to Pete. I sent it to Susie Wiles. Pete
00:49:48.800
got back to me. Susie didn't. This, Trump needs to hear this. This is right up his alley. If he
00:49:53.920
negotiates a deal with Iran and Venezuela, both the increase in oil, they've already produced high
00:49:59.920
levels. Iran produced 8 million barrels a day a while ago. Venezuela produced 4 million barrels a day.
00:50:06.080
Now they're three in one, right? So there's 7 or 8 million barrels additional that can be produced.
00:50:11.600
All we're saying is we will do a joint venture with, and with you, Venezuela, the way Saudi Aramco
00:50:16.800
is, the way Petrobras is in Brazil, where the, the country owns the, the actual reserves, but Americans
00:50:24.640
pull the oil out of the ground and we have first dibs at a market price on the oil. Trump would guarantee
00:50:30.080
oil independence, not just during his term for input perpetuity through his lifetime,
00:50:36.400
through our lifetime, through John Jr.'s lifetime. We would never depend on a foreign country or OPEC
00:50:41.920
again for a drop of oil. It's huge. And this whole $100 oil price, by the way, Steve, I did very well
00:50:48.400
yesterday because we were on here and it was 106, 105, 106 dollars a barrel. And I just knew it was going
00:50:54.560
to go down. I had the trade. I sent your producers the trade as I got off the phone with you at
00:50:59.040
whatever it was, 1030. And this thing exploded. If it goes back up to 120, 130 dollars, I'm going to
00:51:04.160
put the trade on again because I know it's going back to 70 dollars. Our, our problem isn't oil.
00:51:09.840
It's the refining. It's the end use of the gasoline. And, and these Arabs know, and Iran knows,
00:51:16.320
the more conflict in the Middle East, the harder it's going to be to get gasoline produced here in
00:51:21.040
America, the higher the price is going to go. You could see a $10 gallon of gasoline in California,
00:51:27.360
a five or $6 gallon gasoline nationally here, if they keep messing around. Trump could solve it
00:51:33.600
with one deal, two deals, one with Venezuela, one with Iran.
00:51:36.640
Real quickly, you've laid out a, a, a theory of the case that we don't really have a lot of allies
00:51:44.240
You got Russia giving targeting, you got Israel, and Pete admits it. We got two,
00:51:48.480
people got different objectives. Plus you got the Arabs. You think the Arabs are double.
00:51:52.400
Lo and behold, you actually think Arab nations would double deal with the United States, sir?
00:51:58.000
Imagine that. Imagine that. I think it, I think it's very, very plausible.
00:52:05.360
Bowling, where do people get all of your commentary and social media, all of it, sir?
00:52:11.280
At Eric Bowling everywhere on social media, The Edge on YouTube. There it is. There's a picture of
00:52:15.520
that. I love you. Get the guys to subscribe. By the way, you mentioned it yesterday. I got a flood
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of subscribers from the war room. Posse, we'll call it. Thank you very much for that. We just,
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haven't been able to do for a long time. So thank you, Steve.
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Bowling, keep hitting it, man. I know you got an episode you're going to do right now. Thank you
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