00:00:00.000night in a post on truth social he wrote quote if iran doesn't fully open without threat the
00:00:05.940strait of hormus within 48 hours from this exact point in time the united states of america will
00:00:11.560hit and obliterate their various power plants starting with the biggest one first obliterate
00:00:19.320and obliterate we know we know how obliterate went when well it was a few a few months ago
00:00:25.880These threats seem to be coming hourly and scattershot, pardon the analogy, from this president, which makes me wonder still, as I was thundering yesterday, do they even know what they're doing?
00:00:41.180I think the thing that's – there's a lot of interesting things in this post, but he has said over and over, we don't need the Strait of Hormuz.
00:08:46.020And right now, Iran's strategy is very low cost.
00:08:49.020It does not need a lot of revenue to fire a few dozen drones and missiles to keep the strait closed and to keep the pressure on the Gulf states and the United States.
00:08:57.500So I guess I see this as a very bad option. It has very high risk, high costs and very little upside potential in my view.
00:11:03.840When it ends, it's going to end, as President Trump and Prime Minister have said,
00:11:07.760where there is not an entity in Tehran that's going to threaten the region.
00:11:10.380Now, if that's going to be brought about by this regime having a change of heart, hard to imagine, but going on the assumption that that happens, then it'll take place that way.
00:11:22.320Probably it's going to take place because the Iranian people have had enough.
00:15:02.580And I think I'll be prepared, I don't know, Monday or Tuesday to go into this more.
00:15:10.680But I was thinking over the weekend that one of the other great strategists, maybe arguably the greatest strategist and field commander combined.
00:15:21.020in history. Alexander the Great had this issue about the same part of the world in 324 BC
00:15:28.580in a retreat from India, maybe a strategic repositioning, I think they would call it,
00:15:36.980he and his generals, the War Council, because the Macedonians and Greeks, as hard as they were,
00:15:43.640as tough as they were, going from Greece through Persia all the way to the Khyber Pass into India,
00:15:50.080i think all the way the indus river maybe beyond they decided maybe we've gone too far from our
00:15:55.300logistics chain and maybe it's time we go back and this concept was hey maybe we go back and
00:16:02.940we'll go back to babylon right that's the nicest place and we'll we'll regroup and we'll rethink
00:16:09.000and if you want to be the king of asia maybe we go back to egypt and north africa and we do the
00:16:13.680whole thing and then you can call yourself the the king of asia all the way from where we touched
00:16:18.480india all the way back through it at around this time in 324 bc think about that 2300 years ago
00:16:28.6002300 years ago a uh probably the greatest expeditionary force at least from the west
00:16:37.240i realized genghis khan and these guys were too shabby coming from the east but the greatest
00:16:41.580expeditionary force to ever exist in the west and really although they were mainly macedonians
00:16:49.320they had enough greek to be the foundational pillar of democracy and debate they had the
00:16:57.580same dilemma the same exact dilemma they were on the retreat they decided it was going to be too
00:17:04.040hard too tough to take the entire army and march it back through persia that uh what they were
00:17:11.380going to do is go along the coast of the what they called the indian sea but really the north
00:17:15.840arabian sea and um because the arabs weren't really a thing then weren't really a a known
00:17:21.820entity uh and they were going to put into a fleet a fleet that would be just off the coast
00:17:28.220in the north arabian sea and would head through wait for it the strait of hormuz
00:17:34.620and go all the way up past carg island all the way up past those gas fields which obviously back
00:17:41.020then no one knew about the wealth and how that would drive the modern industrial society they
00:17:47.520would go to the essentially mesopotamia the tigers and euphrates and they would take as many vessels
00:17:52.900they could up to babylon and then the army would uh would uh disembark and march up there and his
00:18:02.500army would go through um the greek capital visit the tomb of um of cyrus the great but they would
00:18:11.580trail him on the coast the same exact coast and when you read the greek historians that uh gave
00:18:18.960the eyewitnesses account of that it was although they weren't fighting the entire way they had
00:18:26.260fought all the way over there but coming back particularly in that part it was absolutely
00:18:31.140brutal why the land there is like the surface of the moon i got the photos maybe i'll show
00:18:37.480them here a few minutes about the coastline it was not easy then and uh and these were pretty
00:18:45.080tough hombres 2300 years ago the greatest probably military genius of the west greater than caesar
00:18:54.740greater than napoleon alexander the grain fact the one from caesar to mark antony to napoleon
00:19:02.260to all of them used as the template in fact there are many stories about what caesar went to the uh
00:19:09.220when he was in egypt went to the tomb of alexander the great the cleopatra saw him and he weep and he
00:19:15.140wept because alexander had done by the age of 31 32 33 what caesar had not accomplished in his 50s
00:19:24.740going through the same logistics problem.
00:21:14.860I might add also that Admiral Hall was on the staff in the first term
00:21:19.120of the trump administration as a an assistant to really take a being in charge of for the president
00:21:26.740uh our alliances uh and particularly nato we'll get to that in a moment but right now for the
00:21:31.320amphibious part of it what are people thinking of well first of all steve it's great to be back
00:21:36.760with you in the war room i think of course of dr strange love that there's no fighting here in the
00:21:42.280war room. But when it comes to the amphibious ready groups, three ships, 2,500 Marines,
00:21:49.100about 1,500 sailors, they come with a great capability. The Marine Expeditionary Unit is
00:21:55.980special operations capable. And I think CENCOM thinks of them as well as Fifth Fleet as a Swiss
00:22:02.700Army knife. They can do anything. They bring command and control. They bring air power. They
00:22:08.120bring ground power and they bring logistics. They're qualified for 20 plus special operations
00:22:14.740missions. They can do anything from humanitarian operations to rescue, recovery, or taking a small
00:22:23.040island and defending it. So I think it gives us great capability. And with two amphibious ready
00:22:29.760groups, the AAA and the Boxer, that's going to be great combat power. And I think it just gives you
00:22:35.400great capability. The Strait of Hormuz, you know, is more than just oil, it's commerce. It's also
00:22:41.520signaling that we have freedom of navigation, that we're in control, which brings stability
00:22:46.760throughout the world. The amphibious operations in World War II, which I think are a good benchmark
00:22:55.940for things, is it not a, not assumption, but is it not a part, when you're looking at,
00:23:02.280simcom's looking at this that one of the key elements is obviously air superiority or air
00:23:07.240supremacy but just as important as naval superiority naval supremacy do we have to
00:23:13.040essentially have some sort of uh naval dominance around you know the gulf of roman what leads into
00:23:22.720hormuz hormuz itself uh and then up to because there's these islands off of uh the coast of
00:23:30.020Iran right there that look like they have to be seized. That's one of the reasons that they're
00:23:33.900getting pounded right there on the coastline, pounded with these bunker-busting bombs, because
00:23:37.700it looks like they've got elements dug in there. But do you have to actually get
00:23:42.380naval forces, not as escorts for tankers, but actually in there to get naval supremacy to make
00:23:47.800sure the speedboats can't come and everything like that before you launch? Or can you actually
00:23:51.860launch with the helicopters back off in the Gulf of Oman? Yes, so consider defense in depth,
00:24:00.600and we want those naval surface ships like you served on to provide anti-missile defense,
00:24:06.440anti-surface defense. And so the Gulf of Oman is the doormat, Straits of Hormuz is the great gate
00:24:15.040to the North Arabian Gulf. So could we go from the Gulf of Oman? Yes. And so basically it's not
00:24:25.120so much helicopters now, but VSTAL, the V-22, which has, you know, capability of traveling at,
00:24:31.620you know, over 300 to 400 knots can carry Marines and get them provide both helicopter-like
00:24:38.560capabilities as long, as well as fixed wing capabilities. So yeah, there's no beach beyond
00:24:44.200our reach as we like to say and world war ii what would you say private right now if you think about
00:24:52.880world war ii amphibus operations completely different they didn't have the same capabilities
00:24:57.080uh we have today and it was you know against tremendous opposition where right now we're
00:25:03.060looking at you know uh drones or missile attack uh i think our naval capabilities you know our
00:25:09.540goal has always been if there's a naval uh engagement with iran it's we're going to
00:25:14.880sink everybody in their port and that's pretty much what we've done
00:25:17.700uh admiral can you hang on i want to i want to a few more questions on this to get make sure
00:25:24.520people understand what's being planned for uh and they're doing a lot of planning and getting and
00:25:29.920putting capabilities they haven't pulled the trigger yet on an amphibious or air assault but
00:25:34.760But they're certainly, as Admiral Cooper and General Cain, want to make sure they've got every capability in case the commander in chief pulls the trigger.
00:25:43.580They're going to have a lot of amphibious capabilities.
00:25:48.080Also, the president the other day said, hey, look, we've, you know, if you follow Captain Fennell, we've defanged and declawed them.
00:26:58.020War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.
00:27:04.040So, Admiral, and I'm not trying to put you on the spot, although you're an old and dear friend, so I'll put you on the spot.
00:27:10.060The full disclosure, Admiral Hall was my kid brother's, I guess you were the senior stick.
00:27:16.960You were the plane, the LAMPS pilot commander.
00:27:20.300My kid brother was your was your co-pilot for many, many years and learned to be a great pilot under your mentorship.
00:27:28.060You were known as a great pilot. But you've done as you went up in in rank and became one of the rare helicopter pilots that makes admiral.
00:27:36.680One of the things you do, you were a great brief for thinking through problems and briefing.
00:27:40.280That's why you were over. That's why you were at the White House in the Trump first term.
00:27:45.180and particularly given, quite frankly, something that became a flash, a hot flashpoint, the NATO situation.
00:27:51.960If you were with Admiral Cooper today and the president kind of calls in from Mar-a-Lago,
00:27:57.920give me, give the audience one or two minutes of the pros and cons,
00:28:02.560because you've got to understand the risk and how to mitigate it,
00:28:04.900the pros and cons of for the president to get a framework for thinking about a potential amphibious assault
00:28:12.660onto karg island to basically seize control of uh seize control of the iranians capacity to
00:28:19.880actually get their oil out and monetize it sir okay well first of all you know i remember
00:28:25.880centcom when i was involved with centcom at the beginning of oef talked we have to take data turn
00:28:32.420it into information to facilitate a conversation in order to make a great decision and i think we
00:28:38.820have the data in our intel you were you were at you're at centcom you were at you were at sunk
00:28:43.300you were at centcom with tommy franks in the in the in the march up to baghdad correct in fact
00:28:47.860uh you were in charge of psyops at the time you you information so you were ahead of the yes
00:28:54.100yeah i dropped 40 million uh leaflets uh into iraq we did the radio broadcasting into iraq i
00:29:03.400think we saved a lot of lives and saved a lot of the infrastructure. We did computer network
00:29:10.220attack and computer network defense. So it laid the groundwork for the beginning of Operation
00:29:17.720Iraqi Freedom. So I think we have the intel, also the amphibious ready groups, the Tripoli and the
00:29:26.720Boxer have superior, extremely classified intelligence gathering capability and sensors.
00:29:34.200So we control the electronic communications environment. So I think, you know, at CENTCOM,
00:29:43.140at Fifth Fleet, they're going to be deciding, do we have control of the air? Do we have control of
00:29:47.360the sea? What is the latest intel on the infrastructure at Karg Island? And then we do
00:29:54.500massive briefs and rely on our training. So I think it's very capable that we could
00:29:59.660secure that island, defend that island, and secure the infrastructure. But it would be a great deal
00:30:07.320of planning. Go ahead. Go ahead. No, go ahead, sir. No, the MUSE, they've gone through this
00:30:15.380training to get certified to deploy. We spend more time training than we do deployed. And even I was
00:30:23.240talking to uh your little brother and we talked about you know the training that makes all our
00:30:28.260operations capable and how it lasts throughout our our lives so i think the the marines and when
00:30:34.480you have two amphibious ready groups that's going to be a tremendous power if needed or even did it
00:30:39.900does it does it surprise does it surprise you does it surprise you given the centrality because
00:30:44.940this as klaus fit says the center of gravity of this battle is not tehran the center of gravity
00:30:50.500these battles the persian gulf understanding that and understanding that cencom understood it and
00:30:55.940the joint staff understood it and fifth fleet understood it and the chief naval operations
00:31:00.680understood it does it surprise you that we're night when on day 19 is actually when the tripoli
00:31:07.660got underway and day 20 is when the boxer got underway because they're not going to be there for
00:31:12.780what a week or so so if you want to use this compact you want to have this capability it's
00:31:17.280not on, it's not on station, sir? Well, I think that showed, you know, as I thought about that,
00:31:22.580having traveled a boxer's route to the Persian Gulf, it literally takes, you know, if they go
00:31:29.600optimum speed, it's going to take three and a half weeks to get there. So I think that this
00:31:36.920is a tempered approach that maybe you want to put that, those ready groups in there for phase four
00:31:43.300of the operation where there are capabilities that can be moved in and out of the gulf as needed so
00:31:50.920i look at it based on the timing that it takes to get there
00:31:55.300that they're used for the end state of the operation
00:31:59.520um let's pivot and i want to get george papadopoulos i'm going to get george into
00:32:07.820this conversation too i want to talk about uh and maybe clio uh nato you were on the president
00:32:13.220you were on the national security council in charge of a hot potato nato back then when the
00:32:17.580president was saying hey look guys you got to get to two percent and i want a real two percent i
00:32:22.100don't want you know women's health care i don't want climate change i don't want all of it your
00:32:27.700assessment at the time was that nato was not a real basically a functioning alliance because they
00:32:35.360they the politicians just wouldn't put the money into interoperability into maneuvers into equipment
00:32:42.320that this was really on paper an alliance, but it actually didn't work day to day as an alliance.
00:32:49.780I just want to make sure I'm not miscommunicating that. Was that essentially your position at the
00:32:55.240time? That was my position while on the National Security Council, but also, Steve, I spent two
00:33:02.460and a half years at NATO Northwood in the Maritime Component Command as the Assistant Chief of Staff
00:33:08.560of operations. And so during that time, you know, yes, we throw great parties. We have a lot of fun.
00:33:15.400But even something is planning the summer picnic. All the NATO nations shuffled their feet,
00:33:20.660waited for the United States to say, OK, we'll take charge of it. So they had a small standing
00:33:26.180naval destroyer group in the Mediterranean and a small anti-mine group, you know, in the
00:33:35.180Black Sea, but very little capability. In fact, we came up with the idea of a naval quick reaction
00:33:42.560force, and we would exercise it. We would have countries sign up per quarter. So we would have
00:33:48.880four functional naval quick reaction forces. In one quarter of the annual calendar year,
00:33:57.560we would deploy those forces. Well, guess what? No NATO nation signed up for the quarter
00:34:03.540where we were going to deploy. And so the United States took that. So they're a very fickle force.
00:34:10.580They love to talk about the alliance and how important it is. But the combat readiness comes
00:34:15.580from national forces, not from NATO forces. And the other concern when I was there was,
00:34:22.420can we keep up with the communication and information operations with the United States?
00:34:29.400They're, you know, when they spend all their money on social programs and not on defense, they couldn't keep up with the technology, simple, basic radio communications.
00:34:39.360So, yeah, they're they're a paper tiger.
00:34:44.040And so my job, I want to go back in time.
00:34:49.640No, I was told by the chief of naval operations, your job at NATO is to understand NATO so you can teach us all what NATO is.
00:34:56.640is. And again, as far as fighting capability, limited fighting capability, little ability to
00:35:04.120deploy forces. When I left there, I took command of amphibious strike group two, and I had 26
00:35:10.120ships and 16,000 sailors under my command. That was larger than the British Navy, you know,
00:35:16.840and Britannia once ruled the seas. So it's, NATO is not what Americans think it is. It's staffs.
00:35:24.820I think we we got to have we got to have you back during the week in more detail.
00:35:28.820But I want to go back to the summer in the Red Sea because the Red Sea, that gate of tears that gets you into the Red Sea, I think, from the Gulf of Aden into the Red Sea and then up to the Suez Canal.
00:35:41.040Ninety five percent of what goes through there is for Europe during the summer.
00:35:44.960It had to be an American carrier strike group down there fighting the Houthis.
00:35:48.760And folks, don't discount the Houthis because they're a bunch of tribesmen in the mountains.
00:35:52.900they're kind of they got they got the they're born fighting like the scotch irish these are
00:35:58.000tough guys that have beaten the egyptians the british they're just tough they beat that they
00:36:02.680beat uae the saudis nobody's ever really been to get and the reason is they just fight to the end
00:36:08.160uh and they're very savvy and they they gave as good as they got the with the united states navy
00:36:13.080last summer and i kept screaming and screaming i think the british eventually sent a frigate and
00:36:18.560the French sent a Corvette, and the Italians sent a supply ship, and that was about it.
00:36:23.400Right now, when the President of the United States says, hey, look, we've done what we're
00:36:28.880going to do, and I'm going to have Cooper, and Kane is going to defang and declaw for
00:36:33.540another week or two, but we're out of here, and if you use the Strait of Hormuz, that's
00:36:40.280your problem, and you guys got to go in and keep it open.
00:36:42.520what is the possibility of that being a reality with the combined uh navies of nato let's throw
00:36:49.920in the japanese uh and maybe even give the pla uh the people's liberation navy uh is there any
00:36:57.440combination thereof that could actually take the place of the united states navy to practically
00:37:01.700keep the strait of hermuz open uh yeah hope is not a plan of action but i would rely more
00:37:10.340on Japan's capable Navy than some of the Europeans to get there. If you remember back in 2007,
00:37:21.060the British sailors were captured by Iranians and it was a whole, you know, Keystone cop
00:37:27.720operation. So they're not as capable as they used to be. But I think once we finish up here,
00:37:35.540It should be a simple process to keep the strait open using European naval forces in.
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00:42:32.800okay welcome back um remember when you saw this kind of um uh major escalation between the
00:42:43.380iranians and the israelis last night uh with both of them being hit and hitting each other that's
00:42:47.680on top of the americans i believe another intense night of bombing on uh military objectives
00:42:53.900laid out by cencom so remember that's kind of the substrate of this uh i think that
00:43:00.380will rabbi willickie's tell me that the um uh the tehran uh regime has issued a response to
00:43:07.640president trump's ultimatum they kind of said it the other day i think they said hey look if you're
00:43:11.660gonna come in and take out our electoral grid and and you're threatening we'll take down every piece
00:43:16.480of uh oil and gas infrastructure in the gulf or words that affect so we'll see um rabbi willickie
00:43:23.740is going to have an update in a moment george papadapa is going to talk about maybe some
00:43:27.880alternatives cleo pascal nothing uh warms my heart more here in the war room than have someone
00:43:34.320introduce someone like you to the audience i don't know a year or so ago uh and to be so dead spot on
00:43:39.680on diego garcia the expansion of this war and uh and of course bb i think did a good job explaining
00:43:45.780hey look they do got the ability to deliver a farther beyond than israel and qatar and uh and
00:43:52.980saudi arabia is they launched a ballistic missile towards diego garcia which you had pointed out
00:43:59.600for over a year here on the show that how important strategically it was the persians think so too if
00:44:05.260it was not i think for an aegis class destroyer cruiser to take it down there would have been a
00:44:10.000could have been a catastrophic hit onto the atoll in the in the in the in the um the pier in the
00:44:16.580runway that is diego garcia you're you're you're you think the brits now know that uh maybe that's
00:44:22.940an asset that we keep, ma'am? I'm very grateful for the coverage on the war room of the situation
00:44:30.040in Diego Garcia. There were two missiles launched out at one, disintegrated effectively, and the
00:44:37.300other one was defended. I think that this points to an even larger problem. Admiral Hall was talking
00:44:42.420about NATO and UK capabilities. They're becoming increasingly clear that this is a serious problem
00:44:49.380And all of the U.K. assets, I think, need to be looked at.
00:44:53.180There was a drone strike on one of their two bases in Cyprus, for example.
00:44:57.840And now the Cypriot government is talking about, oh, we're going to have to perhaps renegotiate or take a new look at having U.K. bases in Cyprus after this conflict is over.
00:45:09.720That's another real serious problem for the U.S.
00:45:12.780There are, I think, some major signals intelligence operations going on out of Cyprus.
00:45:17.180And we're seeing a degree of potential penetration of the UK government that raises concerns also in financial sectors, where you've got that large embassy that they're talking about, the Chinese are talking about building in London, being built near some of the cables that transmit key information into and out of the city.
00:45:38.880and of course those transmissions are very time sensitive if you're doing trades or things like
00:45:44.780that and there was also reporting they've arrested a few people in the UK recently on suspected spying
00:45:53.200for the Chinese one of them a Labour advisor spoke directly to Marco Rubio in December 24
00:46:01.720about Chagos just before he became Secretary of State so they are we're going to have to really
00:46:08.160look not just at them being not particularly helpful, perhaps, as Admiral Hall was describing,
00:46:14.960but potentially being an actual vulnerability across multiple areas.
00:46:21.500The CCP in all of this, give us your perspective. I know you focus on Micronesia and the islands in
00:46:28.560the Pacific, the western part of the United States. What is the third island chain? How are
00:46:33.260they taking this in right now because their oil has essentially been cut off we think but now
00:46:38.420we're hearing you know last week that they're letting chinese flag vessels through what in
00:46:43.140beijing how are they viewing this ma'am i'm i'm hoping uh that it's making them recalculate a
00:46:50.500little bit on the ground i don't see a lot of slowing down uh so i was recently in yap and
00:46:59.360Palau and Guam. And in Yap, if you remember, we covered the Chinese rebuilding of that Imperial
00:47:07.100Japanese runway on Woolley Eye. That construction crew has now moved on to the main island of Yap,
00:47:14.080where the U.S. is putting in $2 billion worth of infrastructure. And according to Secretary
00:47:19.660Hegseth's public statements, although the negotiations aren't complete, and this is
00:47:24.280where you get a concern i'm i'm i look more at kind of the left of bang what happens before
00:47:29.500things blow up so that hopefully things don't blow up that same chinese company that was doing
00:47:34.160the runway is on the main island doing a bridge which is in a location between the port and the
00:47:40.640airport that the u.s is looking at rebuilding and they've also settled in to do over a dozen
00:47:46.560secondary roads on the island so from a situation of about a year ago where there was essentially
00:47:52.140no chinese installed government linked operations on the island of yap there's they're now settling
00:48:00.460in and they they do the relationship mapping figure out who they can buy who they can influence
00:48:05.940and they're settling in for the long run so that runway which is about 400 miles from guam which
00:48:11.460they've completed they've completed the runway but they've left behind on woolly eye containers
00:48:17.980and i don't know what's in the containers they also left behind a couple of tenders one of them
00:48:24.080has sunk and has leaked oil into the lagoon so the locals are having problems with their fishing
00:48:29.000supplies it's just it's not dialing down um so i hope that they're reconsidering but uh all of
00:48:37.320this everything we've spoken about the islands dio garcia what's happening in cyprus this is all
00:48:42.660logistics this is all about the four right and uh unless uh we can kind of do a proper assessment
00:48:50.020and regain control on the logistics which is where the chinese are trying to cut off the u.s
00:48:55.900if you remember admiral keating was uh testified in 2008 that he was told by chinese official
00:49:01.960you take hawaii east we'll take hawaii west and they're putting in place logistical control in
00:49:08.600order to um to try to make that happen like happened with the japanese driven door two
00:49:13.700they're looking at the same map uh cleo you're putting up great stuff all the time with us the
00:49:20.820geo strategic confrontation between the chinese chemist party in the united states of america
00:49:25.740where do people go uh uh x just my name cleo c-l-e-o-p-a-s-k-a-l um and i'm real cleo still
00:49:36.460on getter thank you ma'am appreciate you thank you sir always great
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