00:00:29.000I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:34.600Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:38.360If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:00:44.560War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:00:53.280Okay, Tuesday, 24 March, Year of Our Lord 2026.
00:00:55.860thank you for the second sticking around for the second hour first hour we did uh oil markets
00:01:02.280commodity markets and uh these negotiations president trump's trying to get rolling i want
00:01:06.740to pivot now to something that i think just like artificial intelligence kind of the the big issues
00:01:12.100that don't get taken head on uh neil irwin joins us from axios neil i remember coming first
00:01:18.260acquainted with your writings back in the financial crisis of 2008 uh and things have only gotten worse
00:01:24.080and the political class have really not ever addressed what the situation is with our fiscal
00:01:29.120crisis as you talk about you talk about a fiscal cliff now Scott Besson when Scott came in and you
00:01:34.380know he was a contributor here for years at the war I mean he used to talk about hey my plan is
00:01:40.280you know I can't this whole debt and the debt spiraling control but if I can get the annual
00:01:44.620deficit the three percent of GDP through cuts and revenue increases then somehow I think we've got
00:01:51.980something manageable we can go forward as we look through the first year given a whole host of
00:01:56.640reasons it looks like we're not going to hit that so what is your concern your article just walk
00:02:01.480people through it why america appears to be you know with the pedal to the metal driving over the
00:02:08.340fiscal cliff sir yeah so uh we're running deficits about six percent of gdp that's the largest we've
00:02:15.020ever seen other than in major wars, financial crises, depressions, recessions. So what's
00:02:22.140unprecedented is to be running 6% deficit of GDP in a time of not having those huge one-off
00:02:28.140expenses. And Scott Besson's exactly right. If you got to 3% of deficit of GDP, that would be
00:02:33.200a manageable target that would be sustainable given the growth path the U.S. is on. What's
00:02:38.100not happening in Washington is any sense of urgency getting there. Look, if the tax law
00:02:42.680from last year unleashes amazing growth, deregulation, all these great things, create the kind of rapid
00:02:46.980growth that people in the administration want to see. That's fantastic. That would help solve
00:02:51.040the problem. But what we're seeing so far is those numbers are not coming in that way. We're seeing
00:02:54.940numbers more like 6%. And you see it on both sides of the aisle. You see Democrats wanting to kind of
00:02:59.280cut taxes for their base. So there's not a lot of incentive and urgency around in Washington around
00:03:04.280the idea that these deficits are unsustainable and Social Security is going to hit a point in the
00:03:08.560early 2030s when its finances are strained.
00:03:12.680that's what i think it was the um the wharton center they have this budget center and the guy
00:03:18.600came out the other day and say hey look and everybody talks about 38 trillion and you know
00:03:22.660100 days later 180 days later we're 39 trillion but he makes the calculation that our number is
00:03:28.240really 100 trillion and that's what we have to be focused on do you believe that that and we just
00:03:33.720had this article i'll get it up i'll put it up after the show of another take on things that
00:03:39.000says, hey, America's insolvent. It kind of does our balance sheet, right? And it's maybe not
00:03:43.460totally accurate because it looks like it's government accounting, maybe not gap accounting,
00:03:47.160but there are a lot of smart people coming out right now and saying, hey, this time we mean it,
00:03:52.880it looks like we could hit the wall. How would you break all that down?
00:03:56.840Yeah. So think about entitlements, Social Security, Medicare. We know because you can
00:04:01.260project these things out pretty accurately over long time horizons. By 2032, 2033, those trust
00:04:06.940funds are empty, Congress has to do something. It either has to cut benefits. That's what happens
00:04:11.780automatically if they don't do anything. Nobody really wants to see that. Or they have to find
00:04:15.260some way to make those programs solvent and pay for them. And then you have Social Security and
00:04:19.160Medicare in competition with the rest of the budget, the Defense Department, everything else
00:04:22.300the government does. And so that's not that far away. That used to be this distant problem.
00:04:27.320But, you know, the people being elected to the Senate this coming November are going to be
00:04:30.960dealing with that problem at the end of their six-year term. So this is not some far-off problem.
00:04:35.160This is a here and now kind of problem. And again, the discourse wouldn't reflect it.
00:04:39.480You know, we're about to have a $200 billion Defense Department request for the Iran conflict.
00:04:44.380This is a situation where you wouldn't guess that we're facing this real cliff, this real difficult situation from the way people talk about financial options in Washington.
00:04:55.660You know, Scott had said before he became Secretary of Justice and then after he said, hey, look, this is our last chance for a supply side tax cut.
00:05:02.480And whether you believe that theory is supply side or not, but the theory was, hey, we get a tax cut to bring jobs back, increase manufacturing.
00:05:23.420Now, the 10-year treasuries are, what, 4-4 or 4-3.
00:05:26.300It's kind of popped since this war, particularly since it shifted to the Persian Gulf away from Tehran.
00:05:32.480But is it the bond market? And is it because we're still the prime reserve currency and people just have to, hey, suck on this, no matter what the BRICS nations say or whatever the alternative, like you see right now, as soon as the guns start firing, they all come to the U.S. dollar?
00:05:45.920Is the lack of urgency of the political class because the capital markets really haven't forced their hand here?
00:05:52.480I think there is a lot of that. Look, we're still historically, as you say, 4% and change on the 10-year Treasury. That's not a crisis. That said, the debt service costs are going to be creeping up year by year. As we run these $2 trillion deficits every year, that increases the total stock of debt.
00:06:11.600And so whatever rate the U.S. is paying, the government's paying, is coming out of everything else. So in the CBO forecast, 10 years from now, 2035, 4.6 percent of GDP, nearly 5 percent of GDP going to just pay interest on the debt.
00:06:23.940That's going to squeeze everything else. Again, whatever you care about, whether it's on the defense side, whether it's on retirement benefits, things like that, will be squeezed by these interest costs if we keep rising total debt on the path we're on.
00:06:35.740And that's assuming there's not a fiscal crisis. There's not a reset of rates significantly higher. That's assuming they stay in the kind of moderate range they've been in the last couple of years. And there are no guarantees that's the case if the bond market starts to freak out and say, you know, we're afraid there's going to be financial repression. We're afraid there's going to be inflation that the U.S. is going to try and inflate its way out of this crisis.
00:06:54.120how do you what do you think it's going to take because we've had commissions you know every
00:07:00.240last year when mccarthy got tossed for cutting the deal with biden people were talking we have
00:07:04.720to have another commission come together we've had a series of commissions they've made reports
00:07:09.220that have implemented might have helped to stave this off but they were just they were they were
00:07:14.500never taken seriously they didn't become part of any political action plan of either party what do
00:07:20.180you think it's going to take absent a fiscal crisis where then you have to go into crisis mode
00:07:25.660to get uh to get not just both parties but any one party to take it seriously right now because
00:07:31.940the democrats their spending thing is is out of control of course they want to they want to tax
00:07:36.600uh the wealthy but their spending is really the problem that's what scott besson keeps saying but
00:07:42.100on capitol hill we see this at every appropriations process the republicans just kind of tap this
00:07:47.700along. And these commissions don't work because people have done it for years, done it for decades.
00:07:53.280They come out with these good results and they're just put into the file. What do you think it's
00:07:58.060going to take to get the political class to focus on something has to be done here?
00:08:03.660Yeah. Do you remember Erskine Bowles and the Simpson Bowles commission in 2010? In the last
00:08:08.08020 years, that's kind of the closest there was to a big deal on entitlements. But ultimately,
00:08:12.340then as now, if there's not a crisis moment, if there's not a sense of urgency,
00:08:15.860why would you make that unpopular vote? If you're a Democrat looking to, you know, having to cut
00:08:20.380benefits, if you're a Republican looking to raise taxes, those are not votes you want to make
00:08:25.380unless something forces your hand. And that's why I think, look, there are different forms of
00:08:28.900crisis. Crisis doesn't have to be something like 2008, where it's a catastrophe. But, you know,
00:08:33.040if rates rise, even a couple hundred basis points, if we get the 10-year Treasury up to 5%, 6%,
00:08:40.060that might be the thing that forces attention. And if not that, look, once again, Social Security
00:08:44.580Trust Fund is up in 2032, 2033. Something must be done in order to keep there being, you know,
00:08:51.140if you don't do anything, there's a 25% cut to Social Security benefits. That would be catastrophic.
00:08:54.920That would be bad for a lot of retirees. That would be unpopular in both parties. So that may
00:09:00.300be the thing that forces a deal absent a kind of fiscal crisis of the types you see in emerging
00:09:05.380markets. You see, right now, I think when the rates popped over 44344, mortgages went to seven,
00:09:14.580I think you're saying, hey, if these go to five or six, not saying it is, but if it does mortgages
00:09:19.000popped at nine or 10 percent, that's when the folks back home are going to say start burning
00:09:23.900up the phone line saying something's got to be done here. That's when you may see some movement
00:09:27.340on this. I do. I mean, we saw a little of this in the fall of this fall of 2024 when yields did
00:09:34.020rise, the 30 year got to five percent, I believe. And and that really did actually know the tenure
00:09:39.640got to five percent. The 30 was higher than that. You know, and you did see a focusing of attention.
00:09:44.060You saw a lot of people saying, you know, maybe this is the thing that is the bond market telling us we need to reset the finances going forward.
00:09:53.260You know, look, there are ways out of this that don't involve, you know, the AI revolution.
00:10:29.380It says 50% of all entry-level, which we have said here, all entry-level white-collar managerial jobs, legal, all of that are going to be wiped out in the next couple of years.
00:10:38.780Aren't we just right now a highly leveraged bet on artificial intelligence?
00:10:43.720And if artificial intelligence doesn't come in with productivity, which means young generation wiped out with their jobs when they need them the most in their 20s when they're learning their craft or their profession, that's essentially the business model.
00:10:58.580It's a dice roll of a highly leveraged company making a bet on a new technology that could turn their business model around.
00:11:06.200Is that not where this country is right now?
00:11:08.780Yeah, I think there's something to that. If you look at the GDP numbers, if you take out investment in software, investment in data centers, it's basically flatline. We're treading water. The growth we're having is coming from this AI investment surge. And look, that's good in terms of the GDP accounts. That's if you're a white collar worker, worry about losing your job, that's more worrying.
00:11:27.680The question is, is this set of advances going to play out similarly to the invention of the personal computer, the electricity rollout, is the kind of thing that generates broad benefits and higher wages, higher incomes, or is the job loss so rapid it's more like the China shock, right?
00:11:42.940It's more like you have a situation where lots of people lose their jobs, the reallocation process is slow, it doesn't happen rapidly, people are not able to recapture the income they once had, it hollows out certain communities, certain industries.
00:11:55.080That's the fear, is that this is less the personal computer, less electricity, less the railroads, and more like the China shock in the early 2000s.
00:12:04.180Last thing, as long as we can sell the bonds, I mean, Scott's got to refinance a third, I think, of the national debt every year.
00:12:10.720as long as the dollar, even though it's had a massive drop in purchasing power during the
00:12:17.000inflation of Biden years and then some, as long as people have to need dollars, as long as the
00:12:23.140dollars are prime reserve currency, can we stagger through this? I think so. There's no reason to
00:12:28.880think this is going to flip overnight. I mean, one thing I'm watching with this Iran situation is,
00:12:32.520does this accelerate the pursuit of alternatives for other countries for trade in oil and other
00:12:38.160commodities. If you're China and the U.S. is in a war with Iran, does that make you all the more
00:12:44.660add urgency to trying to create alternatives to the dollar? And does that weaken the dollar's
00:12:48.920role in the global economy? That's speculation at this point. The dollar is holding up reasonably
00:12:53.760well on currency markets. It's actually up since the war. So that's not happening today,
00:12:57.800but it's something around the corner that I think we're all watching for.
00:13:01.600No, that's a flight to safety. And you're right, that alternative to the petrodollar,
00:13:05.460or particularly the Chinese, these long-term contracts they did in their own currency
00:18:57.080We're actually going to extend this to the end of March due to all this war talk, energy
00:19:01.920pricing going up, all the negative in the world.
00:19:05.160We're going to try to bring a little bit of positive light to it.
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00:22:57.600appreciate you holly kessler okay so there is some good news there's good news all over number
00:23:03.980one in virginia the grassroots in virginia are hammering i think it's 21 april this uh special
00:23:11.920referendum we're going to have jeff rye hopefully on in the next couple of days the grassroots there
00:23:16.040are hitting new poll out paxton up by eight in texas uh that follows i think polls maybe internal
00:23:23.90017 18 but pax now there's a trend ken paxton's up uh folks are fighting all over the place
00:23:30.540there's a lot of good news out there uh where people have been so grim about the midterms and
00:23:37.100guess what the midterms are going to be brutal and going to be tough and going to be a fight
00:23:40.220but in georgia holly kessler joins us holly you've been recommended by caroline jeffers and so many
00:23:45.860people is like somebody's got their hand on the pulse in georgia we have a huge hearing on friday
00:23:51.040on the evidence because the Abby Lowell's of the world and the MSNBC's in the Mark Elias has got
00:23:58.480to get that evidence back. So we're going to be covering that. We're going to get all the experts
00:24:01.400on that. But what is happening in Georgia? It seems like, are the Kemp guys not on board with
00:24:05.940this? Because the situation down there is pretty dire, not just for the 2020 elections, but what
00:24:11.560happens going forward, ma'am? It is. You're right. And we do have the evidentiary hearing coming up
00:24:18.080on Friday in Fulton County. That's in regards to the FBI raid. We are in a very critical emergency
00:24:24.340situation because we had passed a bill back in, gosh, what was it, 2022, 2023. It was
00:24:31.320making the QR codes illegal. They're illegal. And that was part of Burt Jones in the Senate
00:24:37.420that did that, Senate Bill 189. And so now we're coming up to July 1st of 2026, and we still don't
00:24:43.680have a fix. And so, yeah, you talk about Kemp, Raffensperger, AG Carr. I mean, all of them.
00:24:50.080It's the entire executive branch minus the lieutenant governor. He's the only one that's
00:24:54.260actually been fighting for it, you know, and trying to help on the election front. But
00:24:58.620we have a big problem here. And so now all they're wanting to do is continue to kick the can down the
00:25:03.960road. And I don't know what it's going to take. It's very frustrating. You know, we had ES&S on
00:25:09.300the ground uh the other day and they were you know giving their little demo and and of course
00:25:13.720i'm sitting here thinking okay so we're getting rid of one and we're going to get another um
00:25:17.340you know the the machines really they just they got to go president trump wants it you talk about
00:25:22.020the grassroots we have a very active grassroots group here in georgia um we've been pushing it
00:25:26.700we've shown them all the issues they've seen it complaint after complaint and again the secretary
00:25:31.420of state just acts like everything is wonderful and chris cars all you know he's he's just silent
00:25:37.100and, you know, missing in action half the time.
00:25:39.620So he doesn't really do anything when it comes to election integrity,
00:25:58.860You know, so they're pretty consistent in the clown show that they have going on.
00:26:03.160But, yeah, we have a problem, Mr. Steve,
00:26:05.660And I don't know how we're getting out of this, but like you said, the midterms are coming up, and we've got to get this thing figured out quick.
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00:45:10.020Okay, if you want to look at positive developments in politics, it's grassroots.
00:45:19.220it's you this audience that are making things happen we got the sharia law prop 10 passed in
00:45:24.580uh overwhelmingly in in texas and there's going to be so many more developments this week in cpac
00:45:29.300big part of cpac is when we talking about that what's going on in texas ken paxton's up i don't
00:45:33.700know eight points in the latest poll 16 and 17 i think in other polls so the grassroots making
00:45:38.980a difference there i cannot compliment enough the grassroots effort in virginia in the commonwealth
00:45:44.420overwhelmed with money spent uh they've self-organized jeff ryan i think it's just such a
00:45:50.280a great thing to see where they get a grassroots guy into the chairmanship of a republican party
00:45:55.940and great things happen we're gonna spend more time on that and of course we're hurtling towards
00:46:00.640this evidentiary hearing georgia i think is the key that picks the lock here you've had john
00:46:05.620solomon on we know tulsi's on it uh this stinks to high heaven this 2020 election was stolen
00:46:11.060there's no doubt about that holly we're going to have you back on i just once again want to give a
00:46:15.340shout out to the patriots have been fighting this for six years now uh against threat of jail
00:46:20.760bankruptcy all of it uh you guys are the best and the reason we even have a fighting chance here is
00:46:25.780not the political class down in georgia that somehow something's fishy why they haven't
00:46:31.800stepped in here why they're avoiding this and i think when everything's revealed there's going
00:46:37.340be a lot of accountability that's going to have to happen holly your social media where do people
00:46:41.540go and get you ma'am so i'm on uh x facebook sub stack i've been whipping out some sub stacks
00:46:47.980lately but yeah my x account probably is is the easiest and the best but it's all the same holly
00:46:52.580kessler same picture and everything so yeah i would appreciate the follow and i'll keep everybody
00:46:57.280updated thank you ma'am appreciate you coming on here thank you
00:47:03.920okay uh the chinese communist party their active participation in the media's cover-up
00:47:12.460of their torment of lao beijing in china but also the united states ying chan chan joins us this
00:47:18.820morning and uh levy uh brody um yeng tell us first off what is your position how do you fit
00:47:27.320in this story because the new york post it was the lead for a while yesterday kind of a shocking
00:47:31.700development of the chinese communist party trying to shut down this classic kind of ballet opera
00:47:38.660dance that's gone throughout the nation with seven or eight troops that talks about
00:47:43.540china before communism and the ccp can't handle that so they're taking active measures
00:47:49.200to torment you all and to shut it down can you explain to us what's happening
00:47:52.980yes um thank you steve so my name is yin chen i'm a conductor and vice president with shen
00:48:00.520and Performing Arts. And Shen Yun is actually an American company created in New York in 2006.
00:48:07.160And our mission is to revive our authentic traditional culture, which has been suppressed
00:48:12.920by the CCP, you know, for decades. We want to really show the world and the beauty and wisdom
00:48:19.720in this amazing culture. At the same time, our performances always also present the human rights
00:48:26.940atrocities that are still ongoing in China. Shen Yun was actually created at the time when many
00:48:32.900of our family members, myself included, and our friends in the Falun Gong community were severely
00:48:39.340persecuted in China. And actually, that persecution is still going on. So for the last 20 years,
00:48:45.180this year, Shen Yun is celebrating our 20th anniversary. And we've grown tremendously from
00:48:51.320one troop to eight troops that are performing simultaneously in the major continents everywhere
00:48:58.340basically in the world, seen by over a million people every year. But because of what we talk
00:49:05.240about in the show, we are not subject to the CCP's censorship. We definitely talk about the
00:49:13.220issues in today's China as well. So we have been under attack for the last 20 years. We have faced
00:49:19.900bomb threats for so long that we've almost gotten used to it, which is not right, right?
00:49:25.780And this year, the last two years have been especially crazy. I think recently, six states,
00:49:33.420heads of state, including Canada, Denmark, and Australia, have received bomb threats,
00:49:40.740and basically saying, if you allow Shen Yun to perform, we'll blow up your residence,
00:49:45.200Something like that. And as a result, the Australian prime minister was forced to evacuate from his residence.
00:49:54.660So, but these things have been, I feel like the Shen Yun story is truly a coincidental story of how Beijing tries to dictate what stories are told here, what the narratives, try to impose their narratives on the American people.
00:50:15.200Hang over one second, because if you look at the histories have been written by a lot of fellow travelers about everything came out of the Chinese Communist Party.
00:50:24.980You know, China was just a backward run by corrupt emperors for thousands of years.
00:51:07.400Yeah, because I think when the Communist Party wanted to impose communism on people, they had to do away systematically with all the real culture of China, all the spiritual foundations.
00:51:20.460You know, you're talking about Buddhism, Taoism and Confucianism.
00:51:24.380Those have been the pillars of Chinese civilization for thousands of years.
00:51:28.900So in order for them to impose Marxism on people, they had to do away with all these.
00:51:33.180Both of my parents were with the Central Philharmonic Orchestra in Beijing for 30-some years.
00:51:38.500So they were first-class musicians in China.
00:51:41.480However, we knew firsthand that everything is censored.
00:51:47.120And basically, even all these performing arts companies in China were propaganda tools for the CCP.
00:51:54.500So it was not until I came to this country and gradually realized, wait a minute, this is not our true culture.
00:52:02.120I grew up in China and I had no appreciation of the Chinese traditional values and culture when I was there until I came to this country and learned the truth about our true history and the spiritual foundation of all of that.
00:52:18.900So with Shen Yun, we're trying to revive all of those amazing heritage and share it with the world.
00:52:31.300I mean, the Cultural Revolution was to destroy any connection with the Chinese people, was it the five bads to any connection to the traditional culture?
00:52:41.840Levi, there's a film coming out tonight.
00:52:44.340You guys are going to be part of the premiere.
00:52:46.440You've got this story in the New York Post, and it's by Chadwick Moore, who did the great biography of Tucker Carlson we had on the show a year or so ago, the story in the New York Post.
00:52:58.040It also implies that American media companies, particularly some big American media companies, have not, because we do this story a lot, and we know it has huge traction with the Warren Posse.
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