Bannon's War Room - Episode 5272： WarRoom Easter Weekend Special： Descent Into Hell

00:00:00.000 this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going to

00:00:10.400 medieval on these people here's what i got a free shot all these networks lying about the people

00:00:16.980 the people have had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do

00:00:21.160 everything in the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and

00:00:24.500 Where do people like that go to share the big line?

00:00:27.780 MAGA Media.

00:00:28.680 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:34.600 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:38.320 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:44.720 War Room.

00:00:45.560 Here's your host, Stephen K. Vann.

00:00:47.860 it is holy uh saturday uh for april year of our lord 2026 a welcome thank you for the word we're

00:00:59.640 gonna get into our more traditional descent into hell which we we do every holy saturday we'll get

00:01:05.440 to that uh part of the program uh in a while but i want to start that was very important to start

00:01:11.040 with philip patrick day philip um just you know we've come up with the eighth installment of

00:01:17.880 end of the dollar empire it's during a time of pretty unique turbulence geopolitically maybe the

00:01:24.360 most turbulence we've had since uh vietnam war maybe even going back to world war ii given the

00:01:31.460 the broad nature of this award that we're fighting in the middle east right now and of course you

00:01:36.560 got the situation in Ukraine. And you've got the dollar. We have obviously enemies against the

00:01:43.500 United States that are using the weapon to weaponize other currencies against us. We now

00:01:50.420 know that in the Strait or Hormuz, which is clearly the center of battle, the center of gravity of

00:01:57.020 this conflict, the tolling, we're now told, is being done in Chinese currency, in Chinese yuan,

00:02:04.000 and that people are saying this is a fight over the petrodollar.

00:02:08.700 At the same time, and we haven't had enough time to go through this and present it,

00:02:13.640 so it'll probably be Monday or Tuesday of next week.

00:02:16.560 We understand the new 2027 budget is coming out from the Trump administration.

00:02:21.440 Bloomberg's already got a copy of it, but it talks about pretty significant deficits.

00:02:26.860 I don't think we're going to get to Scott Besson, a former contributor here.

00:02:32.840 his target of going from 6% to GDP to 3%. I think these deficits are going to be quite large,

00:02:40.120 and I believe the Congressional Budget Office is actually projecting the 10-year

00:02:44.440 increase in deficits is going to be in the tune of $16 to $20 trillion, so that the fiscal cliff

00:02:51.960 we've been talking about seems like we're going, it appears from the math that we're going with

00:02:57.740 the pedal to the metal. Put it in perspective, what does that mean for when people think of

00:03:03.960 precious metals? They think of alternatives to more traditional investments they've got,

00:03:08.900 and particularly investments that are directly tied to the dollar. Where do you think that puts

00:03:14.900 us? I think it puts us in a very tough situation. We've been talking about this for a long time,

00:03:21.580 and it's playing out in front of our eyes. Every new crisis turns or sort of reverts back to the

00:03:28.000 debt. We see it with the Iranians now waging financial war against the United States. 1.00

00:03:33.840 It's a very smart way to do it. They see their Achilles heel or Achilles heel,

00:03:38.220 and they know how to attack. It's a big concern. We can't get a handle on deficit spending. And

00:03:46.020 it's a reflection of how tough the situation President Trump inherited, President Trump and

00:03:52.100 the team inherited was. We have to remember, you know, prior to this administration, there was

00:03:58.100 no talk of debt or deficit from the Democratic administration. They didn't even recognize it

00:04:05.800 was a problem. We came in very much focused on this. We had a department of external revenue.

00:04:12.140 We had Doge initially, and the idea was to try and curb spending, but it's very difficult to slow a machine that is addicted to cheap money.

00:04:21.760 And as you rightly point out, the deficit has expanded.

00:04:25.060 We have tax cuts, which we needed to stimulate economic growth, but obviously they reduce revenue.

00:04:31.140 That was mitigated by tariff revenue, but there's some question marks there.

00:04:35.520 And of course, defense spending now has escalated, which means the deficit has expanded.

00:04:40.680 And ultimately, if we do not get a handle on this and it's looking less and less likely, we know how this thing plays out.

00:04:47.900 We continue to print money to meet debt service, and it only goes one way longer term.

00:04:52.940 And that's really what Series 8 of the end of the dollar empire was about.

00:04:58.040 It wasn't a suggestion that the dollar is collapsing tomorrow, but it's more of a warning of if we continue down this path, and it seems more and more inevitable as time goes on.

00:05:10.680 How can people sort of navigate those climates?

00:05:14.020 How can they protect themselves heading in?

00:05:16.120 So that was the key sort of topic for End of the Dollar Empire Series 8.

00:05:21.800 And like I said, it's never been more topical than today.

00:05:25.800 And looking at the current situation, it reminds me of what Admiral Mullen said back in 2010.

00:05:32.300 And that is that the national debt is the biggest national security risk that we have as a country.

00:05:39.400 And that was $30 trillion of debt ago.

00:05:42.460 But you can see it today.

00:05:43.820 Listen, this war with Iran, from a military standpoint, should be very simple. 0.97

00:05:48.880 They cannot compete with us in any way.

00:05:51.460 Their military is a joke, pales in comparison to ours.

00:05:55.060 But we're going to struggle with this because all they have to do is not lose and cause

00:05:59.020 enough financial distress globally to force a change domestically here in the United States.

00:06:05.160 They know the goal, and it's a tough enemy to fight when you have a debt level like we do.

00:06:12.260 You bring up Admiral Mullins, the chief of naval operations at the time, and the chairman, I believe the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

00:06:20.420 He had a lot of prominence as being an out. 0.98

00:06:24.580 Now, he got criticism, et cetera, for being one of Obama's chiefs, but he's a pretty broad and deep thinker.

00:06:31.780 You may not agree with everything the guy has to say, but I want to just go back and put it in a timeframe. When he warned, and they were doing the national security strategy memo, and the Pentagon by law is required by statute to come out and put a strategy together, they kind of shocked people that year and saying, hey, look, we have these threats around the world.

00:06:55.160 Things are, you know, things are happening. Back then, it was almost more of the still the global war on terror was there. But he said the biggest ticking time bomb we have that's going to cripple the United States and limit our ability to actually provide security to our people is the national debt. When he said that, you said that was $30 trillion. What was the national debt when he said that?

00:07:19.980 literally what would he 38 trillion it was eight and a bit trillion i must have been 29 and some

00:07:27.180 change this was a colossal amount i think uh yeah it was a colossal increase since then

00:07:34.240 i think from memory it was about 13 trillion back then so but but but but but but what it what this

00:07:41.100 this is the point is that we have a system now that structurally it's so tough to make changes

00:07:48.400 and you don't have the political will to do it in the Republican side.

00:07:52.360 More importantly, folks, the Democrats literally don't care.

00:07:56.420 I mean, they want to just spend with no restraints at all.

00:08:00.320 What does that mean for the dollar?

00:08:02.600 Because then I'm going to get to the specifics now of there is a flight to quality.

00:08:06.440 The dollar is seeing some strengthening because people are panicked throughout the world.

00:08:09.700 But just overall, on the arc that you see of this spending,

00:08:15.000 which it looks like in the congressional budget,

00:08:16.880 And we've had enough commissions of people warning about it, warning us about the world's financial system continues to buy, the central banks continue to buy gold to try to get away from dollar-denominated securities?

00:08:31.040 Yeah, absolutely.

00:08:32.040 Yeah, we saw 860 tons of gold bought last year.

00:08:36.120 By the way, that was a dip from the previous years, but it is double the average central bank purchases in the decade prior to 2022.

00:08:44.340 So we've just seen a massive escalation.

00:08:46.880 J.P. Morgan predicted at least another 800 tons of this year.

00:08:50.880 So in this climate, we're doubling the typical central bank purchases from the decade 2022

00:08:56.740 and prior.

00:08:57.680 And I think that trend will continue.

00:08:59.540 As I've said from the beginning, this isn't going to be a linear decline.

00:09:04.180 The dollar has a lot of benefits, a lot of strength, huge network effects, and it's still

00:09:08.980 the currency of choice for short-term movements.

00:09:11.880 And that's why we saw dollar strengthening on the back of the Iran war.

00:09:15.440 But for me, this will be short-lived.

00:09:18.860 Like I said, if this was a longer-term position in the dollar, people would have moved to

00:09:23.380 longer-term dollar exposure, which would have been government debt.

00:09:26.680 We saw yields increase, which means people aren't looking at it as a long-term hold.

00:09:30.800 For me, the trend with gold will continue for central banks.

00:09:34.020 At the end of the day, they want something that cannot be printed, cannot be seized,

00:09:38.300 cannot be devalued.

00:09:39.640 Right now, I think the world realizes we're in an unsolvable mess, and I think that we'll continue to finance deficits, continue to devalue currency.

00:09:51.760 And at the end of the day, if I'm a foreign central bank with a long-term view, it doesn't make sense for me to hold dollars.

00:09:58.260 And if I'm going to, I'm going to need a risk premium, and that's what we're starting to see.

00:10:02.720 Talk about that for a second, because at first you saw the strength thing, because as soon as the balloon goes up, as soon as they start shooting, particularly on a broader scale and particularly someplace as sensitive as the Middle East to the flow of oil, people naturally, money managers, governments naturally piling to the dollar, at least for a short term, for safety.

00:10:25.840 It's considered a safe haven.

00:10:27.820 And that's one of the reasons I think you didn't see the pop in gold.

00:10:31.580 Also, the fact that I do believe some of the central banks, maybe the Saudis and whatever,

00:10:36.940 might have been monetizing some of their holdings to just pay bills and understand they might

00:10:40.960 not be able to monetize oil for a while.

00:10:44.160 But I want just to go back.

00:10:46.340 It's not a shift to long term because you're not seeing them pile into longer term government

00:10:51.020 debt, correct?

00:10:52.640 It's absolutely correct.

00:10:53.980 Like I said, we see things like this very typically when we see major crises.

00:10:59.340 With wars, typically when the shooting starts, people move into dollars temporarily because

00:11:05.020 they need the liquidity, but they don't normally keep those dollars.

00:11:08.800 They either spend them or they move them into safer assets.

00:11:12.080 And I think that's what we're seeing.

00:11:13.500 Look, we saw it in 2020 when COVID hit, there was panic, there was confusion, there was

00:11:18.380 a flight to cash, gold dropped, and then it went on to move significantly.

00:11:22.960 Exactly the same thing in 08. Significant moves in the market, big crash, flight to cash, gold dropped 30%. And then it went on to double in value. So I think it's a holding pattern. What was unique about this climate as well was just colossal upside in precious metals in the lead up, right? Gold's up 8% this year, but it did 65% last year, 27% the year before. It's up about 300% since the pandemic.

00:11:50.320 So I think when we see a lot of confusions, traders will stop, they'll take profits, move to cash, wait, and then reposition for the longer term.

00:11:58.940 So for me, this is a strong buying opportunity.

00:12:01.980 I am personally capitalizing on it because I think prices will continue to move up longer term.

00:12:07.840 The fundamentals today are stronger than they were a week, two weeks, a month ago.

00:12:13.060 It's just a case of timing and volatility right now.

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00:14:50.220 $1,200 an ounce philip patrick thank you for taking time away from your family over the

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00:17:56.000 It's Saturday, 30, March in the year of our Lord, 2024.

00:18:02.860 It is Holy Saturday.

00:18:04.680 We're very honored and blessed to be joined by Dr. Taylor Marshall.

00:18:09.020 Dr. Marshall, just to put it in perspective, we refer to this particularly Catholics as Holy Saturday.

00:18:14.720 Can you walk us through just the evolution of what, at least in the Catholic faith, from Good Friday into Holy Saturday?

00:18:23.600 and why is this such a day of salinity?

00:18:27.520 So in the Catholic Church and also in the Eastern Orthodox Church

00:18:31.000 and many Protestants as well, they recognize that, of course,

00:18:34.560 our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ died at 3 p.m. on Good Friday

00:18:37.680 and he rose again early on Easter morning.

00:18:40.720 And there's this mystery on Saturday.

00:18:44.400 Where was our Lord Jesus Christ, fully God, fully man,

00:18:47.760 during this period in the middle of these three days?

00:18:51.500 and tradition identifies this as the harrowing of hell.

00:18:55.280 And the tradition is, and St. Paul teaches this in Ephesians,

00:18:58.420 Peter mentions it in the book of Acts,

00:19:00.000 that Christ in his soul, his body was in the tomb,

00:19:03.000 but his soul descended downward into the nether regions.

00:19:09.560 And in Hebrew, it's called Sheol.

00:19:12.880 Certain traditions call it limbo or maybe in the Greek, Hades, the infernum.

00:19:17.880 And he didn't go there to suffer.

00:19:19.300 He went there to greet and recognize and redeem all the holy men and women from Adam and Eve all the way up until the thief on the good thief on the cross.

00:19:30.640 And he announces his proclamation of eternal life to those who have been waiting because the belief of both the Old Testament Jewish people and Christians for most of the past 2000 years.

00:19:44.280 that until Christ died on the cross, the righteous people like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob,

00:19:50.220 Esther, all these people were waiting.

00:19:54.160 What do we get the phrase waiting in limbo?

00:19:55.580 They were literally waiting in limbo, waiting in Sheol.

00:19:58.540 And Christ descends victorious and he announces the gospel and he brings them up.

00:20:06.420 So Saturday is the day.

00:20:08.860 It's a quiet day in the liturgy, but it's the day in which we recognize the redemption of all those who came before Christ, the harrowing of hell.

00:20:23.140 What is, is this what St. Augustine refers to?

00:20:26.980 When St. Augustine one time has a quote, I think he says, a thousand years before Christ came, there was actual Christianity.

00:20:33.020 Is that is that what he means, that there were people that were living that didn't know Christ or were born centuries before, you know, millennia before Jesus manifested into into our world?

00:20:49.320 That what he's talking about, that that men and women who are holy and devout but didn't obviously know about Jesus because he hadn't been born yet.

00:20:58.680 Is that was that what he's referring to? Is that why Christ went to went to hell or at least a part where people are not totally condemned to bring back those pagans that live Christian lives? 0.95

00:21:13.080 Yeah, that's the idea is that before Christ, people were saved by expecting the Messiah, by expecting the Son of God.

00:21:22.520 So you see this already in the book of Genesis after Adam and Eve sin in Genesis chapter three, verse 15, God promises what's called the Proto Evangelion.

00:21:31.400 That's a Greek word.

00:21:32.440 It means the first gospel.

00:21:33.840 And he tells to Adam and Eve, in particular to Eve, that one day she will give birth to a child that will crush the head of Satan.

00:21:42.280 That's Genesis 315.

00:21:44.200 So Adam and Eve heard that from God.

00:21:47.680 Did they know the details of his name would be Jesus Christ, born of a virgin, suffered under Pontius Pilate?

00:21:53.660 They did not have those details, but they did trust in the promise of God that one day a woman would give birth to a son, the son of God, a Messiah figure who would indeed crush the serpent's head.

00:22:07.240 So they were trusting that. And as time goes on in the Old Testament, you have the covenant with Adam and the covenant with Noah and the covenant with Abraham and then the covenant with Moses and the covenant with David.

00:22:18.340 All of these are more and more revelations of the coming of the Messiah, more and more information is given.

00:22:25.480 And those people who are living in accordance with God's law and they're having faith in the coming Messiah, those people are justified by faith in Christ.

00:22:38.100 Again, they don't have the details.

00:22:39.460 So a good way of understanding it is, you know, Abraham and King David and Esther, they were looking forward to Christ.

00:22:46.400 we today look back to jesus christ the object of our faith is the same it's jesus christ

00:22:55.420 but we understand it in vivid color and full color they kind of understood it in black and white

00:23:01.600 and so christ our belief is in the catholic church and the eastern orthodox church and many

00:23:06.960 protestants as well that when christ died on the cross he descended into hell he descended into

00:23:12.780 not the place of torment, but the place of waiting, limbo, limbo. And he announced to them,

00:23:19.740 come to me, you are saved, come with me. And then he takes them to heaven. And this is symbolized

00:23:25.080 in the gospels. When Christ dies on the cross, the veil in the Jewish temple in Jerusalem was torn.

00:23:31.700 And there's an important detail there. It was torn from top to bottom. And that signifies that God

00:23:38.280 removed the veil from top to bottom. And this is symbolic that there's no longer a barrier between

00:23:44.580 God and men because Christ has offered himself as the Passover lamb of God. And so now moving

00:23:52.200 forward, people can be admitted to heaven through Christ. And then the people of the Old Testament 0.85

00:23:56.140 are also admitted into heaven through Christ. Like I said before, from Adam, all the way to

00:24:01.940 the thief on the cross are now incorporated into that heavenly bliss.

00:24:08.520 And so you ask, you know, I guess instead they're Christians before Christ.

00:24:11.940 That's exactly, that's exactly correct.

00:24:13.960 Not the way we understand Christianity today,

00:24:16.200 but they were looking forward to the Messiah.

00:24:18.920 Christ means Messiah.

00:24:20.000 They were looking.

00:24:20.940 So in that sense, they are Christian.

00:24:23.820 They're sort of proto-Christian might be a better term.

00:24:28.780 Right.

00:24:29.920 When Mel Gibson and Steve McAvity and the team made Passion of the Christ, they went back to the to the to the book that had come out by Catherine and Emmerich.

00:24:40.860 Right. The German nun that had these visions and that had actually gone through, I guess, a paper review and had the had the stamp of simply put certification.

00:24:52.100 Right. That this had been gone through a not a council, but gone through a formal investigation in that.

00:24:58.940 And they're coming up with the second, they've been working on the second, the sequel to that, which is about the resurrection.

00:25:06.300 And my understanding is they're also relying upon Catherine Ann Emmerich's book, which has a quite moving and dramatic part in her visions of Christ's descent into hell.

00:25:19.540 Is there anything, are you familiar with the work of sister Catherine Ann Emmerich?

00:25:25.680 I am. Yes. And I was able to talk to Mel Gibson about this and he doesn't want any of the details

00:25:30.640 of the film, of course, being shared, but he is, he's announced that he is going to do the

00:25:35.500 resurrection of the Christ. And it's going to also incorporate this mystery of the harrowing

00:25:40.280 of hell, which I think on, on the big screen is going to be magnificent when it's accomplished.

00:25:45.220 And, and yes, the, the vision of Anne Catherine Emmerich, she was a German nun, a consecrated

00:25:51.040 version and she had extensive visions about the entire life of Christ, but also this mystery of

00:25:57.820 the descent of Christ into hell. And she gives the same basic outline or structure that you see

00:26:04.340 in the early Greek church fathers, the early Latin church fathers, and that is Christ coming down 0.86

00:26:10.860 and he smashes the gates of hell. He breaks down the gates of hell. And many of the early icons,

00:26:17.660 There's an image of Christ standing on top of the broken gates of hell and he's reaching his hand out and he's grabbing the hands of Adam and Eve and pulling them out and upward into heaven.

00:26:30.020 It's a very beautiful image to see that mankind all the way back to Adam and Eve is being offered eternal salvation.

00:26:37.320 And Anne Catherine Emmerich has that same vision and she reveals that the faithful of the Old Testament, men and women, are now being incorporated.

00:26:46.880 In fact, St. Thomas Aquinas, he even elaborates on this and he says that the experience of the Old Testament faithful of Christ ascending into hell counts for them as baptism, which is a very kind of profound way of thinking about it, that their initiation into the life of Christ and salvation for them begins not with baptism, but basically engaging with the true Christ in his descent to where they were and then freeing them.

00:27:14.680 So there's a lot in the mystical tradition and visionaries and the church fathers of this beautiful mystery.

00:27:21.060 And I would encourage people on this day, you know, yesterday was Good Friday.

00:27:24.780 We experienced the death of Christ.

00:27:26.520 Tomorrow is the celebration when people will be breaking their Lent and eating meat and candy and maybe wine and some whiskey and really enjoying the festival of the resurrection of Christ.

00:27:38.400 Today is a day to consider this hidden mystery that Christ cares not just for us in 2024, but he cares for every human person going all the way back to our original first parents.

00:27:53.800 And I think that's a beautiful mystery for us to meditate on today.

00:27:59.460 From Holy Saturday to Good Friday, Holy Thursday, Good Friday, Holy Saturday, and then Easter.

00:28:06.280 Can you walk us through the early church?

00:28:07.720 How was it? How was it commemorated? How was it? How was it remembered? And what were what were the what were the ceremonies or rituals they went through over that kind of four day period?

00:28:21.160 you know i i wasn't raised a catholic and so i i didn't grow up with any of these

00:28:27.140 liturgies or mysteries or ceremonies but as an adult when i became a catholic i was exposed to

00:28:33.540 this ancient very ancient liturgy of what's called holy week and holy week technically

00:28:39.420 begins on palm sunday and that's when we commemorate christ coming into jerusalem and

00:28:43.280 literally the the priest will bless palms and and the congregation holds palms and processes around

00:28:49.140 the church and enters the church, sort of greeting Christ, coming into our midst.

00:28:53.860 And then things pick up again on Thursday, called Holy Thursday or Maundy Thursday.

00:28:58.420 And this liturgy usually takes place in the evening, and it commemorates the Last Supper

00:29:03.080 and the washing, Jesus washing the feet of the disciples and the institution of the Holy

00:29:09.200 Eucharist.

00:29:09.720 So it's a very solemn, very beautiful liturgy.

00:29:12.660 And then the next day is Good Friday and there is a service, a liturgy in which the cross of Jesus Christ, which has been veiled previously, is now unveiled.

00:29:25.400 And there are some very beautiful prayers to Christ and the faithful come up to the front of the church and kneel and kiss the cross.

00:29:35.880 And the deacon or the priest says, you know, behold the wood of the cross.

00:29:42.160 You know, this is the sign of our salvation.

00:29:44.320 So what we're doing is we're reliving those key events from the four canonical gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

00:29:52.100 Palm Sunday, the commemoration of the Passover and the institution of the Eucharist. 0.61

00:29:56.460 Good Friday, the recognition that Christ is on the cross and the cross is the pathway to our salvation.

00:30:05.860 Holy Saturday is the longest liturgy of the year.

00:30:08.320 it could be three, sometimes five hours, some of the Greek liturgies. And this is a very long

00:30:14.200 ceremony with lots and lots of Old Testament readings reminding us that Christ is descending

00:30:19.040 to the people of the Old Testament. And usually at the end of that liturgy towards the end

00:30:23.320 was the baptism of new Christians in the early church. They would go through all of Lent in

00:30:28.780 what's called catechesis. They'd be catechumens. And then on that evening, on Saturday evening,

00:30:35.480 after this long liturgy and fasting, they would be baptized. And then Sunday morning,

00:30:40.940 wake up early. It's the resurrection of Christ. And of course the faithful have been fasting and

00:30:46.180 doing penance and avoiding certain foods. Finally on Easter Sunday, it's just, you know,

00:30:51.780 it is the highest and holiest day for Christians. And it's marked by family,

00:30:57.600 feasting, prayer, hymns, liturgy, of course, the holy sacrifice, the mass, the Eucharist.

00:31:04.200 And so it's the most intense part of the whole year for Orthodox, Catholic, many Protestants.

00:31:12.740 And it's hard.

00:31:14.820 Holy Week is supposed to be difficult.

00:31:16.540 There's lots of fasting, long services, but it ends in joy that lasts for, again, another whole week.

00:31:25.700 Dr. Taylor Marshall, if you could hang on with us.

00:31:28.680 We're going to take a short commercial break, and we're going to return with Dr. Taylor Marshall.

00:31:32.580 It is our annual Holy Saturday show, Descent into Hell.

00:31:40.620 Short commercial break.

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00:34:07.140 Okay, welcome back to our special Descent into Hell. We do this every Holy Saturday. Dr. Taylor

00:34:14.920 Marshall is with us. I'm going to have an interview with Dr. Tom Williams later in the show. We'll get

00:34:20.040 into that. I'll tee it up. Dr. Taylor Marshall, what lessons can we derive as Christians, as

00:34:28.660 Catholics in this veil of tears from the harrowing of hell? What are we to take from that? 1.00

00:34:37.280 Yeah, I think if you consider that for all those centuries, which is the teaching, the harrowing

00:34:43.380 of hell that, you know, someone like King David or, you know, Isaiah, the prophet or

00:34:49.340 Jeremiah, these, these great men of faith, these prophets, Esther, they were waiting

00:34:55.600 for the coming of the Messiah.

00:34:59.200 This is a long time.

00:35:00.220 I don't know how time works in the afterlife.

00:35:02.380 That's a mystery.

00:35:03.780 You know, I don't know if they experienced it, you know, as centuries or how that happened.

00:35:07.580 But, you know, we living now in 2024, we we also are in, as you just said, we're in a valley of tears.

00:35:17.240 You know, many of us are dealing with loss of employment or cancer or broken relationships and addictions and problems and all these things.

00:35:26.820 And I think the important thing is that Christ pierced into the darkness.

00:35:33.060 Christ descended into hell and he forgets none of us.

00:35:38.440 And no matter how dark things are getting for you and and how difficult things are in this valley of tears.

00:35:45.460 I mean, we're not literally in hell, but sometimes it can feel like that.

00:35:50.460 The Lord Jesus Christ dies on the cross and he seeks for those that are lost.

00:35:56.700 And he is the fountain of all mercy.

00:35:59.240 He loves for he loves us and he pleads with us to come unto him and to cast our cares, cast our burdens onto him.

00:36:06.800 So this is a time of year.

00:36:08.660 I think a lot of people, sometimes they stop going to church or they kind of fall out of practice.

00:36:12.420 And then the Easter time, like, oh, I need to go get back into it.

00:36:15.060 But I think this is a great opportunity on Holy Saturday to recommit and say, you know what?

00:36:21.020 I am going to get to mass tomorrow.

00:36:22.480 I am going to go to church.

00:36:24.140 I do want to live for Christ.

00:36:25.980 He loves me.

00:36:26.640 And really the cure for all of our societal problems and our personal problems, whether they're physical, mental, spiritual, and all the way up to, you know, communism and socialism that's, you know, creeping in on our society.

00:36:40.720 The only true answer for that is the way, the truth, and the life.

00:36:46.420 And Jesus says, I am the way, the truth, and the life.

00:36:50.020 And in John, beginning of John's gospel, he is the light in the darkness.

00:36:53.440 So I would just share with everyone watching, return to Christ, find Christ, go to church on Sunday.

00:37:01.220 Yes, I know there's hypocrites, there's problems in the church, but reconnect with Christ.

00:37:05.840 And I think this weekend, Good Friday, Holy Saturday, Resurrection Sunday, the Paschal Mystery is the right time to reach out and embrace Christ and find that healing and that redemption.

00:37:18.560 So I think this is really the lesson for us. And he stands before us and he says, knock and it shall be open to you. So knock.

00:37:30.540 Where we are in this country, in the world, obviously, we talk all the time about this is spiritual warfare. Right.

00:37:36.700 And there's really no compromise with the side of darkness.

00:37:41.740 Now they've thrown up this this phrase Christian nationalism, like they're trying to get they're trying to intimidate Christians to stay out of the public square.

00:37:50.020 They're trying to intimidate Christians from actually being part of a movement that wants to take its country back. 0.53

00:37:56.380 What are your thoughts about all this?

00:37:58.000 you know the holy looks a great time to reflect on this because in a way judas iscariot and many 0.55

00:38:05.940 of the people of his time were demanding for jesus christ our lord and savior to initiate

00:38:11.540 a political movement that would overthrow the romans and of course our lord and savior jesus

00:38:17.960 christ wanted something much more significant than that and so i think we got to be careful

00:38:24.220 that we don't throw in our lot with that understanding of Jesus Christ. That being said,

00:38:30.060 when he rose again from the dead and all 12 apostles taught that he is the Messiah and that

00:38:35.500 Christ is King. He is the Lord of Lords and the King of Kings. And so there is a social dimension

00:38:42.000 and there's a political dimension to Christianity. There always has been, and there always will be.

00:38:48.980 When we say Jesus is the King of Kings over and over in the Bible, that entails that there are

00:38:53.460 other kings, worldly kings. There are temporal princes, you could say premiers, presidents,

00:39:00.440 prime ministers, and that his lordship extends over that as well. The Christian nationalist

00:39:06.960 movement, I'm always a little careful about it because there's people in all different

00:39:10.680 parts of that spectrum of what it means to be a Christian nationalist. I think it's

00:39:16.020 safe to say that in the Christian tradition, in the Catholic tradition at least, there's been a

00:39:20.740 integration between the church and the state. And that hasn't always been negative. And there's

00:39:29.560 great positive elements to that. And I don't think we should be afraid of that. We've already learned

00:39:35.400 that a strict separation of church and state just gives complete power to the secularist,

00:39:42.820 atheist, communist, Marxist. So there needs to be a better balance, a better integration there.

00:39:48.860 And I think that's a conversation that more and more people are having kind of seen the last week, Steve, you know, this huge fight on on social media over, you know, is it wrong to say Christ is king that people find find this to be offensive in some way?

00:40:02.440 And it shouldn't be at all. This is a core, fundamental, central belief of Christianity, and it does have political and social implications.

00:40:11.820 So I think my short answer on that, Steve, is I'm a little bit concerned about the term Christian nationalism because of all the different versions of it.

00:40:22.860 But I am, of course, not at all opposed with the historic Christian or Catholic understanding that there can be a proper, healthy integration of Christian moral teaching with the state.

00:40:33.760 how did and i don't keep up with all the different you know aspects although we did talk about this

00:40:40.560 early in the week it did come up this the christ how did christ as king become controversial i

00:40:47.000 remember as a a child in in in catholic school you know christ was king of kings christ is king i

00:40:53.580 think heck half of the half of the third of the catholic schools had some sort of either place

00:41:00.620 in the front of the school, or they had some aspect of a bunch. I think a lot, some of the

00:41:05.540 schools we play, I think is elementary school. When I was at St. Paul's where I went to elementary

00:41:09.600 school or Catholic grammar school, what it was called. I think Christ the King was, was one of

00:41:16.240 the teams we played from down at Tidewater. I think it was, how did that in your mind get to

00:41:20.940 be controversial? It's something that's the Catholic, at least the Catholic church, I'm not

00:41:25.060 so sure about the process, but the Catholic church has used that phrase for, since I've

00:41:30.280 been around for, you know, 70 years. Yeah. I think the, I think the phrase Christ is King

00:41:35.540 has been around since the year 33. It's, it's old, it's ancient. Christians have always believed it. 0.97

00:41:40.700 But what we've seen, Stephen, your audience knows this is, you know, over the last 50 years

00:41:46.540 that the fact that any Christian would say something in public or pray in public or quote

00:41:54.780 scripture or that a politician would make reference to their Christian faith is offensive.

00:42:00.600 We're told you keep your your your Christianity, your prayers, your Bible verses, you keep them

00:42:06.920 at home, locked away in the safe. You know, it's kind of like you have to be a closeted Christian 1.00

00:42:12.600 and Christianity, if you want to believe that at home, it's fine. But don't bring it into

00:42:16.940 the workplace movies television politics and so i think the fact that christians are on social

00:42:25.880 media saying christ is king it's it's bringing about a response from the secular side

00:42:33.700 that's offensive to them they're like you can't say that and i think it's just part of the social

00:42:39.460 conditioning and christians are starting to realize that by saying christ is king that

00:42:45.420 there's nothing wrong with it, but by saying it, it's somehow they're going to be canceled for it.

00:42:50.700 And so I think that's why this small phrase, crisis king, has become so controversial because

00:42:56.880 the left doesn't want to allow us to even say that out loud in public in a tweet. I mean,

00:43:05.640 it's an indication of where we are as a culture, a decaying culture.

00:43:10.160 uh how do people i know you're combating that every day with your shows your podcast

00:43:17.140 uh your writings where do people go to get access to all of it

00:43:21.440 they can find me at dr taylor marshall on rumble youtube or you can just put in taylormarshall.com

00:43:28.680 and you can find my books and blog and website and all that

00:43:31.780 how have you not been uh how have you not been canceled off youtube it's shocking i can see

00:43:40.100 rumble but uh well steve you're you're you're very bold as well um i i'm still hanging in there

00:43:45.680 yeah and um i'm still saying crisis king and and touching on a lot of these issues but for

00:43:51.300 some reason i've been spared so far but i'm on rumble as well rumble's a great place to be

00:43:57.220 rumbles a great place we're up there dr taylor marshall thank you so much and thank you for

00:44:02.780 spending thank you happy easter crisis crisis king thank you thank you sir boy how'd that become

00:44:11.020 controversial like i said i think i think a bunch of the schools we played when i was a kid

00:44:16.420 christ is king or christ the king um we're going to take a short commercial break here in a moment

00:44:22.700 want to make sure that everybody, uh, uh, we really want to thank the audience on a, uh, on

00:44:28.180 Holy Saturday to, to come to the worm. But we always try to do people have been with the show

00:44:33.740 for the last couple of years. We always try to do a special on Saturday to, to, um, really think

00:44:41.320 about what happened between the crucifixion that, you know, according to the, our faith, Christ died

00:44:46.200 at approximately 3 PM on Friday and what happened until dawn on, uh, on Sunday. And that's where

00:44:52.400 every year we spend time with on Holy Saturday discussing this. Dr. Tom Williams, I did an

00:44:59.020 interview with Dr. Tom Williams. I'm going to replay parts of it because quite frankly,

00:45:02.940 it was so powerful and particularly about persecution of Christians in the modern world,

00:45:08.260 which is a topic that does not get enough coverage. We're going to be back in a moment

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00:48:18.060 We have, for those of you that are watching Unreal America's Voice or Rumble or any of our streaming services or channels, you can see we have the classic picture of Christ and his descent into hell.

00:48:31.220 I realize some aspects of the Protestant brothers and sisters don't either adhere to this or have never been taught it.

00:48:38.540 It's a whole new revelation for some people.

00:48:40.600 but in the Catholic churches, a whole concept of, uh, this, uh, from the time that Christ died,

00:48:47.720 what actually happened, uh, until he, he rose and it gets to, um, this issue of spiritual warfare.

00:48:55.820 You know, we have so many guests on here so many times that say, Hey, at the end of the day,

00:49:01.900 everything we're fighting for, everything that this revolves around is a spiritual war between,

00:49:06.220 good and evil and between the traditions of the Judeo-Christian West and the Christian faith in 0.55

00:49:14.560 this country as a new Jerusalem and the forces of darkness and the forces of evil. Now, 1.00

00:49:21.460 everybody doesn't believe that and that's fine. Everybody in this movement doesn't believe that

00:49:24.760 and that's fine. Many, many people who support President Trump don't believe that. They believe

00:49:28.360 in President Trump and what he's done and more of the temporal side and what he's doing,

00:49:33.740 either deregulation or taking the ministry of state or just being a leader, a strong leader that people can rally around.

00:49:40.900 And that's fine. It's as long as you're, you know, the enemy of my enemy right now is my friend.

00:49:47.540 But there are those that have really, I think, thought this through to a very deep level and understand that there's something going on here that's extraordinary.

00:49:55.200 And that's why I continue to say the the victory in 2016 was absolutely providential.

00:50:03.720 And I know that because I was there and I could see it.

00:50:08.640 I could see it unfold.

00:50:10.440 And we were there from the beginning, back in 14.

00:50:13.720 Actually, I met President Trump in 2010 when Dave Bossie and I had a meeting with him

00:50:18.780 when he was actually not thinking but wanted to understand what the process was of running

00:50:23.340 for president, particularly running in a primary.

00:50:25.360 That was in 2010.

00:50:27.340 Not saying he was thinking about running in 2012, but he wanted to know the process.

00:50:31.340 And that's when I got to know him.

00:50:32.420 And then when I took over Breitbart, even a couple of years later, after Andrew passed away, got to know President Trump even more so.

00:50:41.080 He started coming on the show, et cetera.

00:50:42.640 And our history of standing up for President Trump early on in 14 and particularly 15 against Fox News and the Murdochs and their their instrument, Megyn Kelly, has been documented, well documented by Megyn Kelly herself and other people at Fox.

00:51:00.740 But that victory in 2016 was definitely providential. Hillary Clinton and what she represents is a force of darkness. That was the really the managed decline of our nation. 0.91

00:51:15.740 What happened in 2020, particularly because they saw what President Trump did while he was there.

00:51:20.660 And remember, the power of President Trump in this movement, he's not overly churchy.

00:51:27.240 If you know, he's not a particularly churchy guy.

00:51:29.500 I think he has a very deep and abiding faith.

00:51:33.860 Now, the left just mocks and ridicules him all the time.

00:51:37.700 But his faith comes out in things that are important, very important.

00:51:42.180 And you see, no one that didn't have a deep and abiding faith could have the courage he has.

00:51:48.920 And he has moral courage.

00:51:50.920 He's had every opportunity to walk away from all this and not to be destroyed.

00:51:55.000 Remember this weekend, we're hearing Peter Navarro's in prison.

00:51:59.260 John the Baptist was in prison.

00:52:00.840 Well, Peter Navarro's in prison.

00:52:03.100 In fact, Jesus Christ himself for a number of hours was in prison by the Roman authorities.

00:52:09.320 Peter Navarro's in prison.

00:52:10.340 I want you to think about that.

00:52:11.140 Over Easter, Peter Navarro, a decent and honest man, is in prison.

00:52:15.720 It's in prison.

00:52:17.640 Imprisoned by Nancy Pelosi and Merrick Garland.

00:52:21.340 I would say pretty good forces of darkness, right?

00:52:24.540 Pretty definable.

00:52:26.380 So at the end of the day, I see this as a, I see this and I've always seen this as a

00:52:30.960 spiritual conflict because I saw it up front, up close and personal.

00:52:33.920 And I will tell you that the steal in 2020 was also providential.

00:52:40.840 The victory in 16 was providential. So was the steal, because that was to show us that this was just no longer managed to climb by the elites.

00:52:48.400 This was something far darker, far more urgent that they were trying to understand the power that President Trump had seen in the populist movement,

00:52:57.460 the nationalist movement to kind of break these globalists and to break these elites.

00:53:01.520 They pulled out every stop in the summer of love of 2020, all the way through the stealing of the election, the transition integrity project, all of it.

00:53:11.600 Then the whole thing, when they first took over the debanking, the deplatforming, all of it, putting up signs like the Stasi back in Eastern Europe. 0.71

00:53:19.200 If you see anything in your neighbors, identify it.

00:53:21.940 You were there, you know.

00:53:23.920 That's just not normal American politics.

00:53:25.860 People know, and if you talk to them, even people that don't agree with President Trump, people who don't like President Trump, people who are not particularly drawn to MAGA, people who don't like the deplorables or America first, people who, quite frankly, think MAGA is a little kooky or even dangerous or could be dangerous.

00:53:43.160 they understand that something's deeply wrong the country's on a deeply wrong path

00:53:49.360 deeply wrong not kind of wrong on the margins and that took the steel in 2020 to expose to people

00:53:57.680 because they they did it so rapidly so in your face and so much of it so much of it

00:54:05.680 targeting the american family so much of it and the children and what they've asked for and what

00:54:13.140 they want to redefine society is so repellent to people that believe in the tenets of our

00:54:19.180 civilization, the Judeo-Christian West, and they don't have to be churchy or part of an

00:54:26.780 active, organized faith or religion to believe that.

00:54:31.860 And that is the power of this moment, because we've come back ascended.

00:54:38.060 And how is that? And that's really because of, I think, a tremendous amount of prayer and sacrifice from the most religious people, deeply religious people in our movement.

00:54:49.300 One thing I can tell you, I don't go to any of these public events or any of these talks or speeches or the CPACs or the Mike Lindell's or all these other conferences I go to.

00:54:59.020 that a, I won't say vast, but a good portion of the audience,

00:55:05.160 more than the majority, almost two-thirds,

00:55:08.320 are there deeply religious.

00:55:10.900 And they're not particularly wealthy in the material world.

00:55:16.620 They're not the people hanging out in East Hampton

00:55:20.640 or hanging out in Miami Beach or hanging out in Beverly Hills

00:55:25.580 or Holmby Hills or Pacific Heights up in the Bay Area,

00:55:30.460 because that's not necessary.

00:55:32.800 It's the strength of your faith

00:55:35.060 and connecting that faith to your country's betterment.

00:55:42.720 And right now, that betterment is the first to save her

00:55:45.140 than to help turn it around.

00:55:48.720 And in believing in the reason you're doing that,

00:55:51.620 because you're part of something bigger

00:55:53.980 and part of that something bigger is you've been blessed to be born in this time in this place

00:55:59.140 in this republic the new jerusalem and if that makes you a christian nationalist

00:56:04.820 so be it that's their problem not yours they're completely freaked out about this now they're

00:56:12.040 completely meltdown when you you see the thing they're most worried about they're most worried

00:56:16.900 about and they can't figure it out and they don't want to admit is because your religious faith this

00:56:22.800 is the key point. They understand that the Trump movement did not go away. They understand

00:56:28.580 that this just didn't evaporate. And now they understand that what President Trump has done

00:56:35.040 in his leadership is built a movement that will surpass him and live well past him and

00:56:40.660 grow. And that in growing, we will take back the country and we will make America great

00:56:47.080 again. Back to her finest days. That is what they hate because they thought they had you crushed 1.00

00:56:55.860 and they thought you had you crushed because they only look at the material side of the

00:57:00.620 calculation. They said, these people have no money. These people have no control of no

00:57:05.320 institutions, no earthly institutions. They don't control the universities. They don't control the

00:57:10.420 culture, either high culture or pop culture. They don't control technology. They don't control

00:57:16.560 the corporations, they don't control the arts or media, they don't control social media,

00:57:22.760 they don't control Wall Street, they don't control any of the major institutions in the

00:57:27.440 country. Political institutions, military institutions, they don't control it. Therefore

00:57:33.120 they have no power. So on this Holy Saturday, you have to think about Christ's resurrection,

00:57:44.080 but also the resurrection as manifested to people believe in Christ in the

00:57:49.260 temporal world here.

00:57:50.160 How did that happen?

00:57:51.580 How did that happen against all odds?

00:57:56.220 One of the reasons that they're,

00:57:58.100 they are opposition.

00:57:59.260 These demonic forces are so dangerous right now is they can't figure this out.

00:58:05.800 And that means they will go to extreme measures.

00:58:10.740 Yep.

00:58:11.420 They will go to extreme measures.

00:58:13.620 And that's what we have to be on watch for.

00:58:16.720 It just didn't happen that one of their top public intellectuals, Robert Kagan, wrote in one of their top news platforms, the Jeff Bezos, Amazon, Washington Post.

00:58:29.360 That is, as the New York Times, the paper of record of our nation.

00:58:33.740 The Washington Post feels it's the paper of record of all of all politics.

00:58:37.260 So when you're in the editorial page there, and I think particularly on a Sunday, that's the big league.

00:58:42.920 He's the one that wrote the essay about the justification of Brutus's assassination of Caesar.

00:58:51.860 And that Trump was a new Caesar.

00:58:54.440 And you take whatever you take, the you you you can extrapolate from that where he was going.

00:59:02.680 That is why this weekend is so important for us to kind of collect ourselves and think about the basic deepest tenets of our faith.

00:59:10.100 But also, starting on Monday, how do you take those tenets of your faith and gird it with that power, gird it with that belief?

00:59:19.160 How do you translate that into your public life?

00:59:21.720 Now, I realize there's some, and I'm not saying they're wrong.

00:59:24.840 There's some that just say, I don't want to get into the public square.

00:59:28.220 I don't want to be part of any of this.

00:59:29.980 I just want to live my life, and I want to live it as close to the precepts of Christ as I can and do whatever I can do out in the real world.

00:59:38.340 That's fine.

00:59:39.260 That's fine. It's all an individual choice. You have free will.

00:59:42.600 You have to make that determination yourself.

00:59:44.660 But if you made that determination that my faith is connected to what I do in the in the material world, that I will be held accountable for this.

00:59:59.340 And I understand because I've been blessed to be in this time.

01:00:03.360 Then this is the time that God in his infinite wisdom decided you were put here for.

01:00:13.700 And this fight is going to be a fight at the end of the day is a spiritual fight.

01:00:19.120 And the winners will be those that don't quit.

01:00:21.900 That's what's going to happen.

01:00:23.220 There can't be a compromise.

01:00:24.680 The breach, the gap is too big to compromise in this.

01:00:27.080 It's too, it's not even, can't compromise.

01:00:29.380 There's nothing to compromise about.

01:00:32.100 It's either we are victorious or they are victorious.

01:00:37.660 Over this weekend, that is what I think, I think would be quite helpful for you to contemplate.

01:00:46.560 What does it all mean?

01:00:47.820 And what does it all mean when it comes down to your life?

01:00:49.920 And why has divine providence chosen for you to be here in this time and place?

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Bannon's War Room - April 04, 2026

Episode 5272： WarRoom Easter Weekend Special： Descent Into Hell

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