Bannon's War Room - Episode 5279： Countdown Till Judgement Day

00:00:00.240 Does it make sense to you that the President says Iranians want the U.S. to keep bombing?

00:00:04.380 No, no, it sounds like lunacy to me.

00:00:08.040 Certainly most Iranian people at this point are not supporters of the regime.

00:00:13.060 They would like regime change, but they know that this is not the way to go about doing it.

00:00:17.880 There's not going to be a popular uprising in Iran.

00:00:21.380 They tried that in January.

00:00:22.900 35,000, 40,000 people were slaughtered as a result.

00:00:25.980 This is not going to bring about regime change in any way.

00:00:29.620 Do you see a reason for Iran to make a deal and open the Strait of Hormuz before the president's deadline tomorrow?

00:00:35.920 And if not, how seriously do you take his threat to destroy their infrastructure?

00:00:41.600 Yes, well, that's a great question, Anderson, and I think it's really the question of the day.

00:00:46.200 It's not yet in Iran's interest to make that kind of deal, however,

00:00:51.080 given that their control of the straits is the principal leverage that they have for any kind of negotiation. 0.66

00:00:58.360 And, you know, as I think we talked about last week, their strategy is to survive, to prevent total surrender, to preserve the Islamic regime. 0.87

00:01:06.580 And to do that, they have to hang on to the straits. It is their principal leverage. 0.95

00:01:10.940 In terms of the president's threats, I think they have demonstrated an ability to absorb strikes at home while still exacting a cost on the rest of the world.

00:01:20.300 And I think that's what those who make these kinds of decisions in Iran are prepared to do for at least several more weeks.

00:01:27.640 It's not just the rhetoric about the Christian nationalist rhetoric.

00:01:30.780 People are believing what they're saying. 0.93

00:01:32.620 That's part of the problem.

00:01:33.580 Without a doubt.

00:01:34.120 I mean, the reason why Trump is tapping into that is because there's been a lot of coverage about the fractures within the right wing over this war.

00:01:40.960 The one thing that has been growing in popularity and support for this war is the evangelical communities, the Christian space.

00:01:47.760 All of that part of their media ecosystem is excited about this.

00:01:51.780 So not only are people believing it, but they're getting impassioned because he's making these very explicit calls to their religion.

00:01:58.540 Would it be a limited ground invasion?

00:02:01.260 Because the box we're already in, you're being dropped into the wall right now.

00:02:04.220 What would you tell them to do?

00:02:04.920 Well, I think it's really difficult given where we are because the military options at this point are very bad.

00:02:10.780 A ground operation, I think, would only get us in deeper, cost American lives and not solve the problem. 0.95

00:02:16.300 I think continuing to degrade Iran's military capabilities and targeted operations is fine. 0.94

00:02:21.440 but it also is not going to open the strait. And an attempt right now to do an escort operation, 0.85

00:02:27.460 the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff has told the president, basically, that's not a very

00:02:31.520 plausible option. So this is a reason to get a diplomatic off ramp. Now, my view is that a

00:02:38.140 diplomatic off ramp doesn't have to be a formal agreement between the two sides. It could be

00:02:42.080 something a little more informal, a little more implicit. And I think that the president and his

00:02:47.420 team should be looking for that because they should be trying to bring this war to an end

00:02:51.380 And I believe the strait could be reopened on the back of that. 0.99

00:02:54.600 And we could send a clear deterrent message to Iran. 1.00

00:02:57.740 You mess with the strait, you mess with our neighbors, you mess with anyone else. 0.99

00:03:00.620 We retain a lot of capabilities to cause harm to you.

00:03:03.660 But an off-ramp right now for the president, I think, is by far the best option.

00:03:07.640 All right, the breaking news this morning.

00:03:09.280 We are just learning of new reports of explosions on Karg Island.

00:03:13.920 This handles almost all of Iran's oil exports, about 90 percent.

00:03:18.980 If you look at that map, it's actually, yeah, you can see it all the way up there at the top of the Persian Gulf.

00:03:24.380 They're just off the coast of Iran.

00:03:26.480 President Trump has repeatedly threatened to bomb or seize the island, and there have been strikes before.

00:03:33.480 Oil prices have been spiking over the last few minutes since the reports have been coming in of these strikes,

00:03:41.420 up about 2% to 3% in the numbers that I've seen.

00:03:45.020 Again, now over 3% there in some cases.

00:03:48.060 the president has put out a new message on social media. Can we put it up? Let's read it

00:03:53.480 because it's about the deadline tonight. He wrote, a whole civilization will die tonight,

00:04:00.060 never to be brought back again. I don't want that to happen, but it probably will. However,

00:04:07.020 now that we have complete and total regime change where different, smarter and less radicalized

00:04:11.840 minds prevail. Maybe something revolutionarily wonderful can happen. Who knows? We will find

00:04:20.480 out tonight one of the most important moments in the long and complex history of the world.

00:04:25.580 47 years of extortion, corruption, and death will finally end.

00:04:29.560 God bless the great people of Iran. I think if you're reading the tea leaves here, it is just

00:04:35.380 an incredibly confusing message from President Trump. On one hand, he says that it probably will

00:04:42.280 happen, referring to potential strikes on Iran tonight. And at the same time, he says it's

00:04:48.080 possible that there could still be a diplomatic solution here. So if you're trying to interpret

00:04:52.620 what is going to happen just 12 hours from now, I think it's still incredibly unclear. What is

00:04:58.660 clear, we have learned, according to one U.S. official, that the U.S. has conducted strikes

00:05:04.180 this morning Eastern time on Karg Island. Of course, that is the key fuel hub in the Persian

00:05:11.420 Gulf. It handles most of Iran's oil exports. So it's a very significant area and very significant

00:05:18.480 that the Trump administration is telegraphing that they are indeed serious about proceeding

00:05:24.080 with President Trump's threats if they don't reach a deal to reopen the Strait of Hormuz by

00:05:29.560 that eight o'clock Eastern time deadline. Diplomatic efforts are underway. Vice President

00:05:35.180 J.D. Vance, who's currently traveling in Hungary, is leading those efforts along with special

00:05:39.960 envoy Steve Wyckoff, Jared Kushner, the president's son-in-law, Pakistan, Egypt, Turkey, all

00:05:45.180 acting as key mediators there. But I asked the president just yesterday whether he might be open

00:05:51.600 to extending that eight o'clock deadline if he felt like those talks were progressing. He said

00:05:57.280 he couldn't say just yet. So that is certainly something to keep an eye out for. And this truth

00:06:02.680 social post that we are seeing from the president doesn't really add much to whether or not

00:06:08.380 definitively we should expect those strikes to happen. The president saying that he will bomb

00:06:12.780 Iran to the stone ages, attacking their critical infrastructure, things like power plants and

00:06:18.180 bridges. That would obey the war crime that's being directed by the president. The secretary 0.60

00:06:24.160 Defense would be committing their own war crime. They would be illegal. They would be essentially

00:06:29.580 executing an illegal order. And that's exactly what Senator Kelly and his colleagues talked

00:06:36.800 about, warned us about a couple of months ago. You know, we cannot let that happen. It's terrible

00:06:41.360 that it's gotten into this situation. And the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

00:06:46.560 pushed back a little bit on Donald Trump today, but he needs to push back more because our soldiers

00:06:51.960 that execute these missions that are being directed by the president may one day have to

00:06:57.600 answer to the Hague or some other international tribunal. Think of the Nuremberg trials, okay?

00:07:05.100 Twelve senior leaders from the German military were executed, were hung as a result of their

00:07:10.460 actions during World War II. Would we like to see that same thing happen to our American soldiers?

00:07:15.960 Of course not. Senior leaders need to understand that what they are being directed to do,

00:07:21.600 to execute would be an illegal order and they cannot in good conscience allow their soldiers

00:07:27.200 to execute them this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're

00:07:37.980 going medieval on these people here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the 0.94

00:07:44.540 people the people have had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try

00:07:48.860 to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

00:07:52.260 And where do people like that go to share the big line? Mega Media. I wish in my soul, I wish

00:07:59.260 that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:08:06.200 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:08:12.400 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

00:08:18.860 it's tuesday 7 april in the year of our lord 2026 i think if the uh action

00:08:28.840 lives up to the rhetoric uh this will be a day to remember so take your number two

00:08:33.700 pencil out right now and circle it um action has already started on karg island uh with military

00:08:41.620 targets also uh the idf the israelis are hitting i think already infrastructure targets captain

00:08:47.920 finnell is going to join us in a moment and walk us through um systematically how this is going to

00:08:54.820 be taken the enemy as a system and to break it down that way of what's going to happen what is

00:09:00.820 happening uh right now uh neil mccabe's the white house bowling is going to join us jim records so

00:09:05.940 we've got for the next couple hours to break all this down uh in the how this impacts uh your life

00:09:13.540 the community your community's life in the country's life uh let's go i want to read first

00:09:18.780 off too and i think the most pressing i said yesterday on the bowling show before we start

00:09:22.020 the five o'clock that if the president can't find someone to negotiate with and not simply a deal

00:09:28.460 but someone that could actually commit to a deal and deliver a deal he's told you what the

00:09:35.060 alternative is still with all this happy talk about a deal and not a deal and talk to talk

00:09:39.940 we're not there's no face-to-face at least my understanding there's no actual face-to-face

00:09:46.320 communication between anyone really on the american side and the iranian side now there

00:09:54.380 may be some announcements etc that come back and say well this guy was starting that but right now

00:10:00.420 the president put out and i think of all the true socials he's put out people should take this very

00:10:08.380 very seriously a whole civilization will die tonight never to be brought back again i don't

00:10:13.260 want that to happen but it probably will however now we have a complete and total regime change

00:10:19.260 where different smarter and less radicalized minds prevail maybe something revolutionary

00:10:25.160 revolutionarily wonderful can happen who knows we will find out tonight one of the most important

00:10:33.220 moments in the long and complex history of the world let me repeat that from the president one

00:10:39.640 of the most important moments in the long and complex history of the world 47 years of extortion

00:10:45.200 corruption and death will finally end god bless the great people of iran the iranians um at least

00:10:54.140 who we think are representing them one of the ones that the media has been putting up

00:10:59.300 responded to this moments ago right we're coming on air iran responds after president trump says

00:11:06.100 their entire civilization will die tonight quote all diplomatic channels and indirect talks have

00:11:12.860 been frozen after president trump's recent threats iran says um so there you have it at least uh is

00:11:20.860 the best we can do and i said last night unless president's not into games very specifically

00:11:26.200 yesterday he said he gave him an additional seven days then he extended it three days that got to

00:11:33.840 tomorrow he didn't want this action to take place on eastern money so he gave him an additional day

00:11:37.280 that's 11 days and i don't think there's been any real movement supposedly they got a 10-part

00:11:43.580 counter but i might add none of the points have really been leaked to the media and the 10-point

00:11:49.840 counteroffer has not been given to the media to see how far the bid and the ask are, which appears

00:11:56.880 to be, at least right now, unbridgeable. The time is eight o'clock. Real America's voice

00:12:02.840 recovered all day. Let's go to the White House. Neil McCabe. Neil, the White House seems in a

00:12:08.440 very serious mode this morning. It's very different than yesterday with the celebration

00:12:15.820 of Easter Monday with all the kids there on the Easter egg hunt. Put us in the room, sir.

00:12:24.400 Yeah, I'll tell you this, Steve. The president is basically in executive time all day except

00:12:30.220 for a 3 p.m. signing. But as you said, that two social posts this morning basically said it is

00:12:37.200 on. I would also refer you back to two. Last night, there were two attacks on U.S. facilities,

00:12:44.180 diplomatic facilities in iraq by iranian-backed militia and that may have been the trigger

00:12:50.560 where president trump said all right that's it we're just going to do it

00:12:54.420 um so right now people are hunkered down there is i'm going to just stick around there we're

00:13:02.740 going to go to break here in a moment there is a 1 p.m press conference unrelated to the war

00:13:08.660 we're going to cover that because it's quite important it's going to be over at doj

00:13:12.600 with the new acting Attorney General Todd Blanche.

00:13:16.380 And it's specifically going to be about this massive effort

00:13:20.720 they're going to have on anti-fraud to make sure that we can get

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00:13:28.220 particularly in these blue states that's out of control as their new initiative,

00:13:32.040 and the new head of the anti-fraud division there.

00:13:34.940 But I'm sure the media are going to ask questions regarding everything.

00:13:39.660 So we're going to be there at 1 p.m.

00:13:41.940 Real America's Voice will cover it.

00:13:44.720 Hopefully, Neil McKay will be over there to cover this also.

00:13:48.460 Neil, just stick around at the White House.

00:13:49.840 We're going to come back to you.

00:13:51.240 We're going to take a short commercial break.

00:13:53.040 We're stacked this morning as we're going to break down. 1.00

00:13:56.540 I think it's, look, from the Iranians' position, they're digging in. 1.00

00:14:01.400 I said yesterday they feel they have the initiative. 1.00

00:14:04.440 And as brutally as they're getting taken down,

00:14:08.080 and i think now we're moving to the mode of state collapse they think they're winning this is why

00:14:14.480 they're being uh so arrogant and so tough they're just blowing off president trump to be brutally

00:14:20.480 frank about it there's not really a negotiation going on so president trump's giving them a

00:14:25.200 deadline we're about 10 hours away from that deadline we will cover this wall to wall as

00:14:30.480 president trump said this may be one of the most important days in world history the complex

00:14:36.880 history of the world. Let's take President Trump for his word. I know people working nonstop

00:14:41.920 to see if there's an off ramp, but as of right now, as the Brits used to say in the Second

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00:16:28.420 okay welcome back um we'll get back to mccabe of the white house patrick k o'donnell's going to

00:16:39.000 join us in the second hour with jim records i've asked patrick to come on to talk about

00:16:43.280 major presidential decisions because at least if this lives up to the rhetoric that's a pretty

00:16:48.920 big decision let's get bowling in uh eric the uh i think the markets it was quite it was quiet

00:16:55.580 yesterday as in they were in disbelief but i think people are becoming believers particularly we hit

00:17:01.280 at least has been reported additional military targets on karg island uh i think jim finnell

00:17:07.240 captain finnell is going to tell us that the um that the israelis have already started their

00:17:12.700 efforts on the infrastructure side it looks like so what are the markets telling us yeah the markets

00:17:18.660 are telling us they heard exactly what trump said this morning um he's going to unleash hell on them

00:17:24.080 And they're believing it.

00:17:26.200 I'll just tell you, the WTI crude, the West Texas Intermediate, our crude, benchmarked

00:17:31.840 to many, many crudes around the world, just hit $117 a barrel.

00:17:35.340 Highest price, it's only been higher twice in our history.

00:17:38.720 Biden had it at $139 for a brief moment.

00:17:42.540 And George Bush, during his late, in his second term, $150 a barrel, it's a record high there.

00:17:48.480 So this is the third highest ever.

00:17:50.040 And if these things proceed as they look like they're going to, you may see the same types of numbers or maybe even higher. 0.81

00:17:57.820 The problem is, Steve, one of the things that the Iranians in that 10-point, I guess, reconciliation package, one of them I think was a big non-starter.

00:18:07.680 First of all, a Trump administration official who saw it told Axios it was a maximalist plan, not a minimalist. 0.95

00:18:13.900 But one of the things that I think would be a deal breaker is that they were asking for

00:18:17.940 also having some sort of remain in control of the Strait of Hormuz.

00:18:23.900 They wanted reparations.

00:18:25.880 They want to be paid for the damage that was inflicted on their country.

00:18:29.520 And Steve, that could be hundreds of billions of dollars.

00:18:32.020 And I think that would be a complete non-starter for the American people and Donald Trump.

00:18:36.660 So a lot going on.

00:18:38.160 Higher, higher, higher oil prices.

00:18:40.220 Equities are obviously drifting lower.

00:18:42.900 I tell you, though, just hold out because Trump has a way of unleashing hell, showing them he means business, and then somehow, like I said yesterday, this is the art of war combined with the art of the deal.

00:18:56.460 And I have hope that there's an off-ramp somewhere that he's holding a Trump card, so to speak, in his pocket.

00:19:05.900 Let's go back to that maximalist strategy.

00:19:09.680 president trump put out a true social clearly he had thought about right it was um uh very tight

00:19:18.820 wasn't loose it was tight about this is going to be the end of your civilization and uh and on this

00:19:25.500 on this stage when you're talking about things like this you can't bluff right you can't bluff

00:19:32.760 so president trump when he says i'm taking down your civilization and these guys come back

00:19:39.660 and we don't know all the 10 points but it's been referred to as a maximalist right i think one of

00:19:45.220 the reasons not releasing it they did the even administration doesn't want to show how big the

00:19:49.400 gap is although we're not in in a room negotiating this when you have two maximalist positions

00:19:55.240 one of the reasons you have it eric is both sides think they're winning both sides think they've got

00:20:04.100 as president trump said they have no cards i hold all the cards um and i think we're going and i

00:20:10.640 think captain finnell will uh support this in his analysis we're going from the declawing defanging

00:20:17.600 degradation of their military now to something i've been talked about and what even the israelis

00:20:23.000 were talking about initially which is total state collapse that's we're going after the

00:20:27.740 infrastructure uh and the iranians whether they're correct or not is not the point in their mind

00:20:35.740 they think they've shifted the center of gravity of this war to the gulf they think they control

00:20:40.740 the straits of her moves they haven't seen the united states navy escorting ships in there they

00:20:45.020 haven't seen special forces raids uh yet to try to beat them back they've been they've been bombed

00:20:50.280 with 2 000 pound bombs but they think they have the initiative not just they're winning they think

00:20:55.340 they have the initiatives in this world right now that is not a great set of uh facts to actually

00:21:02.640 get into a table and try to negotiate a deal the sides are just too far apart not just far apart

00:21:07.380 on what they're asking on what their mentality is the united states of america and the commander

00:21:12.520 in chief and the military are absolutely convinced that the plan has worked to date now they're going

00:21:18.880 drop the hammer either even even harder and the uh the enemy believes they've gone asymmetric i

00:21:26.360 don't think they're debating that they've degraded their military but they're going asymmetric

00:21:29.980 and one of the tells there is west texas i mean why would west texas intermediate which is the

00:21:36.040 price of the oil here uh be at 117 dollars i think it's higher than than brent crude right

00:21:43.340 why are people panicking and at least bidding that up right now when that's not directly related to

00:21:48.600 what's coming out of the Strait of Hormuz? Well, a couple of things. Price of West Texas

00:21:54.320 is 117 approaching a record, but the Brent crude that we see on CNBC, et cetera, is for a June

00:22:01.040 delivery. What you're looking at West Texas is for a May delivery. Apples to apples with the Brent

00:22:05.880 will be a spot price Brent. And that's roughly almost $140 a barrel, but they don't trade it

00:22:11.700 actively like that. That's immediate use right now. Why is West Texas going up? Because

00:22:16.480 yes, it is more benchmarked in North America and maybe some European countries, but it's still oil

00:22:24.620 like money is fungible. It's not perfectly fungible like money, but it's fungible in that

00:22:29.980 if Brent goes to $200 a barrel, let's say, and West Texas stays at $120, there'll be a lot of

00:22:36.980 people who are switching their refineries over and stays there, and they believe it will stay

00:22:40.580 for a long time. They'll switch the refineries over because the transportation cost makes it

00:22:45.920 economic to do so. So it's tough to do. You need a lot. But that's why a dislocation in one area

00:22:52.280 in the global oil market brings all oil prices up. Because at some point, the dislocation

00:22:59.180 and price differential makes sense to pay the extra money to transport it around the

00:23:04.980 you know, horn of Africa, wherever it may have to go. But the one thing I think on what your first

00:23:10.800 point was, people aren't going to like this. And this is really bad for me and for stock

00:23:17.320 accounts everywhere. But at this point, Steve, yeah, I think both sides, I don't know if Iran

00:23:22.820 thinks they're winning. They like to thought of being martyrs and fight to the death. And they 0.95

00:23:29.000 may be on that mentality right now. But at this point, a 45-day ceasefire doesn't make a lot of

00:23:35.920 sense. Markets would take a breather, oil would go down, stock market would go up, but it doesn't

00:23:40.160 fix any of the problems. And I don't think the Iranians are ever going to come around to where 1.00

00:23:44.060 Trump needs them or wants them to be. So at this point, unless they come hat in hand in the next 1.00

00:23:49.620 eight hours or so, nine hours, I think the best move is just unleash hell on them and follow

00:23:55.700 through with it when you say unleash hell the president has bifurcated this as infrastructure

00:24:02.680 uh electrical grid what they need to for their day-to-day and and oil infrastructure in their

00:24:11.940 oil industry karg island hit this morning at least as i can parse it focus additionally on

00:24:18.320 military targets i clearly sent a message that karg island is on the punch list but they hit

00:24:24.000 military targets what do you think happens if this goes broader than just the electrical

00:24:29.060 infrastructure and he actually starts to hit the iranian infrastructure of of all the complexity

00:24:36.520 of their oil and gas industry sir i think he's he's well on his way when you take out the power

00:24:43.060 if they you need power and energy to transport oil it's our only commodity that's our only

00:24:48.360 economic input so he'll effectively create a situation and take the bridges out so they can't

00:24:55.820 transport it via truck or train anymore without the bridges he's he's going to cripple them he's

00:25:01.160 going to bring the country to their knees and maybe that's what it's going to take to get them

00:25:04.580 to the bargaining table but they're going to feel hell for quite a while with with just this if he

00:25:10.420 escalates it to you know media which i have recommended in the past go but i want i was

00:25:16.100 hoping to do without a five or six hour ultimatum, I think they could have systemically done this 0.75

00:25:22.460 thing where the Iranians say, okay, enough is enough, but he wants to, he wants to hit them 0.99

00:25:27.580 hard and hit them fast. And, you know, again, I've, I've learned, I'm old enough to have learned that 0.99

00:25:32.960 it's not wise to doubt Trump's plan because sometimes you don't see what the ultimate plan

00:25:39.000 is, but he seems to always have one that works. This may be painful first though.

00:25:47.100 Eric, any closing observations?

00:25:49.380 We'll let you get back to work.

00:25:50.540 See you on the 4 o'clock show.

00:25:51.700 We'll do a handover.

00:25:53.860 If I'm organized enough on the 5, I love doing the handover with you.

00:25:59.720 But this could be one of those days.

00:26:02.120 Any closing thoughts before you bounce?

00:26:05.220 I think today is a day of hold your breath, so to speak,

00:26:09.160 certainly in the oil market, the financial markets,

00:26:12.000 and the humanitarian, quote, unquote, markets as well.

00:26:16.100 So all eyes are looking straight at 8 o'clock.

00:26:20.700 I just hope it's not another delay because it's like let's rip the freaking Band-Aid off already and do it and deal with the fallout now or don't do it and deal with backtracking.

00:26:34.920 Trump doesn't seem the type to want to do that.

00:26:37.260 At this point, I don't think it's a smart way to do it either. 0.98

00:26:39.320 That would give the Iranians, embolden the Iranians to think that they can do this again and again. 1.00

00:26:43.400 And so, you know, I'm bracing for some higher prices and some lower equity prices, lower valuations on assets and a lot higher prices on food and everything that's going to happen. 1.00

00:26:57.080 And then hopefully, again, Steve, I've said this a long time, hopefully he gets this over real fast and then just really, really pumps the crap out of oil and gets that price back down to a level that it doesn't hurt us in the midterms.

00:27:09.500 Midterms, I keep circling it.

00:27:11.260 It's going to be a thing.

00:27:12.300 people are saying oh this is bigger than midterms yeah tell me that november 7th when when you know

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00:27:29.220 for me it'll be so much worse than that it'll be it'll be the moral equivalent what president trump

00:27:38.140 he's warning the uh the iranians about right now the democrats will immediately impeach him but

00:27:44.260 that won't come for a year and a half and every day will be hell they'll rain hell down over the 0.90

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00:29:52.220 uh welcome back the um the iranians are ratcheting up the rhetoric also they just

00:30:01.940 breaking news uh iran and i've given this to jim finnell we'll talk about it captain finnell

00:30:06.820 joins us uh they have threatened they said uh they're going to close as i've warned about

00:30:12.320 the red sea is just as important here as the um as the straighter who removes they have threatened

00:30:18.600 to basically shut down the entire Saudi Arabian Peninsula and particularly the strait that leads

00:30:28.600 into the Red Sea from I guess it's from the North Arabian Sea not the North Arabian Sea I guess the 0.97

00:30:35.220 Arabian Sea which has always been a choke point with their partners the Houthis. Captain for now 0.99

00:30:41.320 I want to step back before we get into the details of going back and forth in this rhetoric and what's

00:30:45.160 happening now i think it's very instructive because you've been hey this is the plan this

00:30:50.160 is what we're doing this is how we're taking it down every day they get degraded more that this

00:30:55.120 whole concept of the enemy as a system the enemy as a system because this is the way military

00:31:02.220 planners targeteers like yourself others are looking at this i think it's quite important today

00:31:07.640 for us to separate out the rhetoric from the reality and right now you have two very serious

00:31:16.520 sets of people one in CENCOM and the Joint Command under uh under General Kane uh that are moving

00:31:23.720 towards a potentially major escalation tonight but you also have an enemy uh who I think believes

00:31:32.380 they're winning uh they've gone asymmetric and and they're got you know they feel they've got

00:31:37.920 cards to play let's start with that concept first off the enemy is a system i know you've got a

00:31:42.920 graph but walk the audience through i want to get this construct in people's minds as they see all

00:31:48.760 this activity and what appears to be chaos coming through the next couple of days potentially that

00:31:55.240 we help folks look through the Fog of War, sir.

00:32:00.060 Yes, Steve.

00:32:01.220 I think, you know, obviously we're all following this, and I've been talking with colleagues

00:32:06.480 of mine, and a retired Navy admiral who was involved with the war against Kosovo said

00:32:12.860 after the conflict, he talked to the Slovenian director of intelligence and asked him, why

00:32:17.680 did Milosevic give up?

00:32:19.760 And the Soviet-trained general said, well, you finally started impacting those forces

00:32:24.640 that supported Milosevic, the Army, and is against his policy, and he started cutting off his access

00:32:32.060 to funds. So this is just a reflection of this debate that you've just highlighted, which is

00:32:38.360 can air power alone, and this is really the canard, is it's not ever argued alone,

00:32:44.880 but what is the value of systematic approach to targeting an adversary? So if you go to the

00:32:50.640 graphic that I provided, Cameron there, please. Back in 1995, Colonel John Warden, United States

00:32:58.980 Air Force, who had served from 1965 until 1995, was a Ford Air controller, flying Broncos in the

00:33:07.020 Vietnam War, came up with this system analysis of how you would go after a look at your opponent,

00:33:15.040 And it's called The Five Rings. And a nice article that just came out this last week in the Army War College Press by Dr. Jacob Stoyle says that, you know, he talks about this being applied to Iran.

00:33:29.900 And so what you see there is these rings, and in the center ring is the leadership, and then it's outer ring, next outer ring is organic essentials, then infrastructure, then population, and then fielded military forces.

00:33:46.120 So for the last 38 days, the U.S. military, the Pentagon and CENTCOM, and the joint force have been going after, predominantly on the U.S. side, the fielded military forces. 0.98

00:33:58.540 We've been using asymmetric capabilities against their, you know, lots of different Iranian 0.85

00:34:04.380 capabilities. We've gone after their proxies, regional proxies, conventional military forces.

00:34:12.200 And likewise, the Israelis have been focusing on the leadership and the leadership. There's

00:34:18.060 some charts out there even today that show the, you know, the scores of IRGC leadership that has

00:34:24.420 been decimated along with the religious leaders and the supreme leader and his family and whatnot

00:34:29.600 and we haven't really struck and touched the organic essentials which is the energy sector

00:34:36.360 we've gone after missile industrial complex those missile cities where they produce the

00:34:42.220 ballistic missiles and drones and things of that nature and we've gone we hit one bridge it was

00:34:47.900 very publicized this last week but we haven't really gone after it too much so what's happened

00:34:53.100 this morning already, is that you're seeing Israel IDF going after road and rail bridge networks

00:35:01.540 in Tehran, Esfahan, Qam, and in western Iran, along with the United States attacking military,

00:35:10.260 finishing off, or I don't know if finishing is not the right word, but continuing to attack

00:35:15.080 military facilities on Karg Island, which as everyone knows is about 90% of Iran's

00:35:21.920 output for oil. That's the center point. That's the key point in the Gulf. So what's happened is

00:35:29.980 we have for 38 days attacked that outer ring and the inner ring. And now we're going to expand it

00:35:36.800 out into those two blue rings, organic essentials and infrastructure. And as you said, the plan and

00:35:43.860 the structure is to have regime collapse. And the regime leaders, whoever they are at this point,

00:35:50.040 several rungs down the ladder uh they may or may not hang hang hang hang hang hang hang hang i want

00:35:56.660 to get terminology right here because president trump said and you see from the chart he believes

00:36:02.480 that's regime change you've gone down i think on the irgc level it's even to the brigade level

00:36:08.100 we've killed a lot of people and the israelis have as they are want to do really target this

00:36:14.380 for leadership and some would say well they also target who the negotiators are be that as it may

00:36:20.100 they've taken care of that haven't we need look at this systems analysis this is what i want to

00:36:25.720 get across to the audience what happens tonight is kind of fundamentally different we're going

00:36:33.000 towards state collapse i think if you're getting back on president trump's rhetoric is that this

00:36:38.800 is not simply about the regime anymore they're going to take down this is why he's warning

00:36:42.660 the uh iranian people that hey your life is going to be very different after this this i'm looking

00:36:48.220 at civilizational collapse or state collapse they're going after the basic building blocks

00:36:54.660 of how a nation actually exists is that a way to look at it that this is kind of fundamentally

00:37:00.460 different as you get closer into that inner circle of of where you're going to take this apart

00:37:06.800 systematically, take the system apart systematically? I think the rhetoric will be

00:37:14.360 used that way, and the president's used that rhetoric to say exactly that to the Iranian

00:37:19.820 regime. This will be the end for you. What in fact will actually happen likely tonight is that

00:37:25.540 he's going to take out all their ability to produce power and produce electricity and their

00:37:31.420 ability to export oil, which means they will have no money to come in. They will have no power

00:37:37.240 to move and, you know, build missiles, build drones. They will not have any bridges, rail or

00:37:45.020 road. So they won't be able to get supplies in from Russia or anything flown in or maybe flying

00:37:51.920 in still could be some, but there won't be anything coming in from external sources. They will be cut

00:37:57.040 off. And so the regime will have to do something. And what can they do? Well, most likely they'll

00:38:03.180 respond with a gas, a salvo of ballistic missiles and drones. They'll probably be quite large

00:38:09.680 over the next day or two. But they're running out of those systems, regardless of analysis from

00:38:18.240 some. I think the fact of the matter is that they're being depleted after 38 days. And the

00:38:24.160 idea that they can just go on and do this indefinitely, it doesn't match the assessments

00:38:29.640 that are coming out of CENTCOM or the Pentagon or other sources. Now, there's some that still say

00:38:35.000 they have so much there. But the idea that we were able to fly two rescue missions on two different

00:38:40.940 days and fly American aircraft, you know, MC-130s and helicopters and A-10s and fly for seven hours

00:38:49.020 over 200 miles into Iran to rescue two aviators is a demonstration. And I love Sam Faddis,

00:38:56.800 but for me, what I heard yesterday from the president's press conference was the Iranians 1.00

00:39:03.000 are really incapable of stopping us when we want to do something. Sure, they fired up some missiles 0.93

00:39:09.280 or some of these Project 358 loitering surface air missiles, but in 13,500 combat sorties,

00:39:19.020 That's maybe the only one that they've actually successfully hit anything with.

00:39:22.700 So I think the evidence is from this, you know, what we're seeing is we're operating at will over Iran. 0.75

00:39:29.580 And when we still go to turn the lights out and we go to shut down their rail and road networks completely, there's not going to be anything left for the regime to do except kill their own citizens. 0.90

00:39:40.280 And maybe the president has some plan there as well that he hasn't told us about.

00:39:45.100 And those people will be able to do something against this regime.

00:39:50.420 But right now, the regime is not what it was 38 days ago.

00:39:54.000 There is no supreme leader.

00:39:55.580 Even in the last three or four hours, we've seen some reporting where the Iranians are saying we can't have a negotiation because our supreme leader isn't really capable.

00:40:05.320 So, you know, two days ago, a week ago, we were told he's in control.

00:40:09.100 Now we're hearing other backpedaling.

00:40:11.200 So I think the facts on the ground are that Iran is collapsing, in the process of collapsing, and tonight is going to really be dramatic.

00:40:22.300 And I think the precursor actions, which seem to me coordinated between Israel and the United States this morning, are indicators to, again, from the president, as Eric Bolling just said,

00:40:33.580 The president is a master at not manipulating, but pressing and getting his point across to say, listen, you really need to come and make a deal and bend a knee, bend the knee, and this will all end.

00:40:45.300 And they may or may not do that.

00:40:47.340 Expect not based on what Sam's told us about their regime.

00:40:50.780 So it's going to get ugly before it gets better.

00:40:54.680 I don't think they're maybe they do, but I think their mentality is, hey, we're winning here.

00:40:59.760 We have the initiative, whether it's reality or not, their reality.

00:41:02.500 Hang over a second as we go to break in a couple of minutes. Put us in the room. You're basically nine hours away, nine or 10 hours away from what could be a massive assault. What are the target tiers? What's happening at CENCOM's core group as they talk to Admiral Cooper and they go through? What's the work process flow right now?

00:41:24.940 Well, in the targeting world, all that work has been done earlier. So right now, as a targeteer, right before these combat operations actually start, this level, this next phase of it, if you will, there's probably some calm because now all the homework's been done.

00:41:43.240 They know where all these facilities are. They've been paired up with what platforms and what munitions. They've done all the munitions effectiveness assessments. They've contingency planned, as the president talked about, contingencies last night. So the planning is basically done. It's now down to the execution.

00:42:01.720 So the stress will be out in the forward areas, in our forward airfields where the pilots are working with you, the ammunition loaders, and making sure that everything's right and prepared on their aircraft.

00:42:15.100 Same on our carriers.

00:42:16.660 So if I'm a strike planner on board the Lincoln, I'm still humping and making sure everything's right, that I'm ready to go locked and loaded in my mission.

00:42:27.680 But back at CENTCOM, everybody's like, okay, we've picked all this.

00:42:31.300 they're working on the next phase. So they're preparing the next phase of what else has to be

00:42:37.480 done and as well as preparing the battle damage assessment teams. So that battle damage assessment

00:42:43.420 process is no longer just as manual as it was when I did it in Desert Storm. It's highly, highly

00:42:49.180 integrated today with AI and, you know, tools from Palantir and overhead national systems

00:42:56.700 collections and all of the capabilities that we have to be able to get rapid, immediate

00:43:01.380 feedback on how, if we start this tonight, oh, we missed something or let's put more

00:43:07.520 pressure here.

00:43:08.380 So that's what we'll be going through.

00:43:10.680 And as always, the priority will be on the safety of our air crewmen and aviators that

00:43:17.020 are flying over the territory of Iran to make sure that we don't get hurt, as well as making

00:43:22.840 sure that we're defending for the salvos that are likely to come from Iran back at us. 0.74

00:43:29.860 Hang on. Hang on one second. I'm holding you to the break. Captain Jim Fennell. 0.99

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00:45:13.780 uh now more than ever we've come out with the uh with the uh west texas intermediate it's now

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00:45:55.760 this war effort right here. Uh, and that does not include, uh, what's going on here in the last

00:46:02.040 couple of days. So, uh, the pressure on that also, whoever is controlling the, uh, straight or

00:46:09.340 her moves, I'm not so sure it's a revolutionary guard as a group of pirates down in, um, down

00:46:16.360 in Southern Iran, right on the cliffs there that have had a, uh, they've had a, uh, a good run

00:46:22.540 for centuries of kind of living there and screwing with shipping all the time

00:46:28.020 but they're taking it in Chinese currency and as Captain Fennell has ground into us

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00:47:16.180 about they're trying to go to uh they're trying to go to um break the petrodollar but learn all

00:47:22.760 about it and talk to philip patrick and team that's the key thing get the philip patrick and

00:47:26.500 the team today as gold bounces uh all around um patrick k o'donnell asked you to join us

00:47:35.040 because of major presidential decisions the president of the united states the commander

00:47:41.280 and chief of the most powerful military in the history and world history said today on a true

00:47:47.940 social this is one of the most important days in the complex history of the world uh with the

00:47:55.280 decisions that will be made approximately or be executed upon around 8 p.m eastern daylight time

00:48:01.700 today the iranians came back and said hey yo put it where the sun doesn't shine uh we're breaking

00:48:09.420 off any communications and then they came out afterwards and said don't even worry you think

00:48:14.320 Hormuz is a problem we're going to shut off the Red Sea talk to me about the scale of presidential

00:48:20.040 decisions you're someone it's a great combat historian you've written so many books about

00:48:26.040 war in America being in war of which every president I think all the major presidents are

00:48:31.100 captured in your in your writing uh what's your sense of this how big a day do you put this

00:48:36.860 in the, at least the military history of the United States.

00:48:41.300 This is a massive and consequential day. This is an incredibly important decision.

00:48:48.480 And I think that this war is up there in terms of World War II, in terms of the moral importance

00:48:56.800 of taking down the Iranian regime and freeing the Iranian people. And that's what it's really

00:49:02.460 all about and now the question is how do you go about that it's complex it's hard but um the axis

00:49:10.520 is fueled on oil let me ask you let me ask you hang on hang on hang on hang on let me ask you

00:49:19.360 about your premise you were assigned as a combat historian in the iraq war it's one of the most and

00:49:25.740 you gave a very powerful talk when we played the last 600 meters you guys were there you were with

00:49:31.240 a uh a marine rifle unit uh you came under fire as a combat historian because you embedded with

00:49:37.500 these guys right at the tip of the spear that was i think in 2006 roughly 20 years later for

00:49:44.160 why do we give it what what what more to it for what why did why do why do we what is the moral

00:49:51.540 imperative of freeing the iranian people why do we give a damn there are people all over the world

00:49:56.020 that are imperiled like this why do we give a damn about the iranian people the iranian people 0.95

00:50:03.220 let me just remember remind you the iranian people brought on this uh this theocratic regime when 0.93

00:50:10.660 they kicked us out unceremoniously so and i realize that a lot of them had buyer's remorse 0.96

00:50:16.940 but it sounds to me like a personal problem why is this now a high moral cause sir it's the

00:50:24.320 invisible hand that's been fighting the United States for 47 years, killing many of the men that

00:50:31.600 I was in battle with in Fallujah, destroying the efforts in Iraq that many of these soldiers and

00:50:40.340 Marines, airmen gave their lives for. This is a regime that is bent on destroying the United 1.00

00:50:48.760 States as well. We can debate about how this occurred for a long time, and I'm sure that's 0.84

00:50:57.220 going to happen. Now, it's about winning, and we have to win, Steve. We win by taking away

00:51:04.100 their oil revenue. It will collapse. They are a dead man walking at this stage. Now,

00:51:12.900 what they are trying to do is distract us with the Strait of Hormuz. It's a big distraction.

00:51:17.360 it's an important distraction it is not the center of gravity the center of gravity needs to be

00:51:21.940 destroying the iranian regime why do you say the center of gravity is uh is regime they've been

00:51:30.320 we bombed them uh it's as you know these sorties have been these sorties have been just brutal 0.83

00:51:36.080 for the last what 38 39 days they've shifted the center of gravity to the persian gulf

00:51:42.000 and in their mind i'm not saying they're right but in their mind they had they have the initiative

00:51:46.420 Sir. Washington said, do not be drove. In other words, never see the initiative to the enemy.

00:51:55.720 And that's why the Strait of Hormuz is an incredibly important lifeline to the world's

00:52:01.840 economy, but it's a distraction. The key is freeing the Iranian people at this point

00:52:07.900 and removing the regime. Can any kind of deal is going to be a situation where it's not worth the 0.92

00:52:14.320 paper it's written on they're just going to lie cheat and steal and do what they always do and

00:52:19.360 there's a real possibility if they're not removed that they will get stronger and much stronger 0.92

00:52:24.980 and they'll be stronger with their partners with the chinese and the russians

00:52:29.480 i tell you what uh patrick k o'donnell hang on for a minute i want to get more of your import jim

00:52:37.800 Rickards is out and about, but he's going to call in. We want to get the strategic framing of Jim

00:52:44.880 Rickards. We've got Captain Fennell with us, Patrick K. O'Donnell, top combat historian of

00:52:48.920 regeneration. We're going to have much, much more in the second hour. As President Trump says,

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