Bannon's War Room - Episode 5284： Confusion Over 10 Point Plan; Strait Remains Closed; The Destruction Of AI

00:00:00.000 I think with us tomorrow morning, one of the folks going to kick off the show,

00:00:02.900 and we're going to try to Shanghai Eric Bolling again for an update on all the markets.

00:00:07.260 So, Eric, thank you so much, and thank you for the double duty you've been pulling for the last 39 days.

00:00:12.100 Do I have you, Steve?

00:00:12.840 You've been dead spot on.

00:00:13.700 Do I have him?

00:00:14.160 Yes, sir.

00:00:14.500 Steve, get this guy we had on, Nick McKinley.

00:00:18.280 We had him on for our A block.

00:00:19.680 He was so good.

00:00:20.320 I kept him for the B block.

00:00:21.940 He's former CIA, former Air Force. 0.97

00:00:24.940 He was CIA under both George Bush and Obama,

00:00:27.940 And the difference between those administrations is very telling.

00:00:31.800 He's a great guest for you if you can grab him.

00:00:35.920 We'll book it.

00:00:36.840 My producer's right here.

00:00:38.100 We'll book it right now.

00:00:39.100 Thank you, brother.

00:00:39.680 Appreciate you.

00:00:40.260 We'll see you tomorrow.

00:00:41.160 See you.

00:00:41.700 Great work.

00:00:43.900 Okay, we're going to cut.

00:00:44.960 We've got a cold open.

00:00:46.060 I don't want you to miss.

00:00:48.220 We're also going to go to the White House.

00:00:49.540 Scott McCabe, the White House Stairs here.

00:00:51.100 Also, we're going to talk about something very important.

00:00:53.980 and that's artificial intelligence coming to eat your lunch and drink your milkshake.

00:00:58.780 Let's go to the cold open. 0.95

00:00:59.760 There are multiple sensitivities here.

00:01:03.040 There are multiple narratives, not least what we've heard from Pete Hegseth, the Secretary of Defense,

00:01:10.980 not least what we've heard from a whole variety of Iranian officials who are both sides claiming victory.

00:01:18.760 So you have that, and it's not clear what precisely has been agreed.

00:01:23.820 The Pakistan's ambassador to the UN said that Pakistan's prime minister had sent a, he didn't describe it as a text on agreement, but an understanding to both the US and Iran who had agreed to it.

00:01:41.500 He didn't say precisely what was in it.

00:01:44.100 He said that was bounded by secrecy to let the sides work out what are clearly very big differences at the moment.

00:01:49.960 He spoke about the Pakistan's prime minister in his statement having primacy in this situation

00:01:56.480 because it had been accepted by both Iran and the United States.

00:02:00.400 And as you say, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, very clear that he doesn't see Lebanon as part of that ceasefire agreement,

00:02:08.560 which is a difference with the Pakistani prime minister.

00:02:10.840 indeed Israel launching its heaviest by its own statement a few hours ago, its heaviest strike on

00:02:17.920 Hezbollah targets inside of Lebanon, some of them deep inside of Beirut, a coordinated against 100

00:02:24.400 targets. Has that led to the closure of the Strait of Hormuz? It's very hard to say, but it is

00:02:32.200 certainly one of the many threads and strands of the lack of clarity, of the lack of certainty

00:02:40.340 where everyone stands, of the multi-sided nature of what's been happening.

00:02:46.780 Iran has, it appears, sent missiles and drones against a variety of targets in the Gulf today,

00:02:54.060 long after the ceasefire.

00:02:55.800 Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth said it would take some time, as he said, for the carrier

00:03:00.020 pigeon to get out to some of the remoter Iranian military units, who he says have been cut

00:03:07.240 off from communications.

00:03:08.500 I think when we look at the state of play on Iranian state media, the declarations of victory, the popular support coming out in the street for the regime in Iran, it's hard to imagine that even in the farthest one corners of Iran, military commanders haven't got the instruction yet to cease and desist.

00:03:27.100 All of this is going to feed into that sort of uncertainty that can unravel what J.D. Vance called a, his precise words were sort of an unstable ceasefire.

00:03:45.240 A fragile was his precise word, ceasefire.

00:03:48.740 I think all of that plays into it.

00:03:50.820 And I'm trying to get at which strand specifically is pulled that unravels the next one.

00:03:55.920 It's sorry. It was an indictment framed as a question. So you're forgiven for understanding. Go ahead, please. No, you've had your chance. Go ahead. Thank you very much. I believe so. Based on the diplomatic negotiation. I believe so. I believe so. Sorry.

00:04:11.960 As Iran claims Israel is violating the agreement by bombing Hezbollah in Lebanon.

00:04:17.700 And as you mentioned a moment ago, breaking right now, Iranian state media says Iran is closing the Strait of Hormuz again in response.

00:04:27.120 Iran has agreed to open the Strait of Hormuz.

00:04:29.640 And as the president said, we have received a proposal from the Iranians that has been determined to be a workable basis on which to negotiate.

00:04:37.220 The Iranians originally put forward a 10-point plan that was fundamentally 0.98

00:04:41.860 unserious, unacceptable, and completely discarded. It was literally thrown in the garbage 1.00

00:04:47.160 by President Trump and his negotiating team. Many outlets in this room have falsely reported

00:04:53.080 on that plan as being acceptable to the United States, and that is false. With the president's

00:04:58.660 deadline fast approaching and the United States military completely decimating Iran with each

00:05:03.220 passing hour, the regime acknowledged reality to the negotiating team. They put forward a more

00:05:08.700 reasonable and entirely different and condensed plan to the president and his team. President

00:05:14.620 Trump and the team determined the new modified plan was a workable basis on which to negotiate

00:05:19.520 and to align it with our own 15-point proposal. The president's red lines, namely the end of

00:05:26.780 Iranian enrichment in Iran have not changed. And the idea that President Trump would ever

00:05:33.220 accept an Iranian wish list as a deal is completely absurd. The president will only make a deal that 0.71

00:05:39.700 serves in the best interests of the United States of America. And he as a negotiating team will

00:05:44.460 focus on this effort over the next two weeks. Thank you, Carolina. Iranian state media is saying

00:05:49.100 that Iran has now closed off the straight-of-form moves today in response to Israeli attacks on

00:05:54.360 Lebanon. What's the White House response to that? And just listed many military successes. I

00:05:59.720 understand that. But strategically, how is the administration arguing that Iran does not have

00:06:05.340 more economic leverage than now than it did before the start of the war? Sure. Well, with respect to

00:06:12.320 the first reporting out of Iranian state media, the president was made aware of those reports

00:06:16.420 before I came to the podium. That is completely unacceptable. And again, this is a case of what

00:06:21.920 they're saying publicly is different privately. We have seen an uptick of traffic in the strait

00:06:26.240 today, and I will reiterate the president's expectation and demand that the Strait of

00:06:31.220 Hormuz is reopened immediately, quickly and safely. That is his expectation. It has been

00:06:37.540 relayed to him privately that that is what's taking place, and these reports publicly are false.

00:06:42.840 Following the president's announcement of the ceasefire, if this is indeed the end of

00:06:46.600 hostilities in Iran, what is the president's message to the American people about what was

00:06:50.980 has achieved for our country through Operation Epic Fury?

00:06:53.940 Sure.

00:06:54.580 I think I just laid out a significant portion of that in my opening remarks.

00:06:57.980 Six weeks ago, the president looked the American people in the eye directly, and he told them 0.96

00:07:02.480 that he launched this operation to take out the imminent threat that was posed by Iran. 0.99

00:07:07.380 And that threat has now been greatly destroyed. 0.98

00:07:10.060 Their Navy, their missiles, their defense industrial base, and their desire and their

00:07:14.920 plan to build a nuclear bomb inside their country is no longer going to be allowed,

00:07:19.140 can no longer happen thanks to the remarkable success of Operation Epic Fury over the course

00:07:24.040 of the last 38 days. That has been absolutely achieved. NATO, can you tell me, is the United

00:07:29.560 States still considering withdrawing from NATO? Is that still a possibility? It's something the

00:07:34.200 president has discussed, and I think it's something the president will be discussing in a couple of

00:07:37.780 hours with Secretary General Ruta, and perhaps you'll hear directly from the president following

00:07:41.960 that meeting later this afternoon. Thank you, everyone. A joint statement put out this morning

00:07:47.380 by some of America's European allies, our NATO allies.

00:07:51.400 And in that joint statement, they said regarding the Strait of Hormuz,

00:07:54.720 our governments will contribute to ensuring freedom of navigation in the Strait of Hormuz.

00:08:01.100 What's the administration's reaction to that joint statement?

00:08:03.900 Does that smooth things over when the president meets with NATO's secretary general

00:08:08.180 a little bit later this afternoon?

00:08:09.820 I have a direct quote from the president of the United States on NATO,

00:08:13.280 and I will share it with all of you.

00:08:14.540 They were tested and they failed.

00:08:16.520 And I would add it's quite sad that NATO turned their backs on the American people over the course of the last six weeks

00:08:21.800 when it's the American people who have been defunding their defense.

00:08:25.400 As you know, President Trump will be meeting with Secretary Ruta in a couple of hours here at the White House,

00:08:30.060 and I know he looks forward to having a very frank and candid conversation with him.

00:08:33.920 The latest news out of Iran is that the air defenses have been activated in several cities, including Isfahan,

00:08:40.040 and that explosions have been heard in Isfahan.

00:08:42.000 Who is bombing Iran right now?

00:08:43.800 Were those reports just as of a few minutes ago?

00:08:47.340 Yeah.

00:08:47.680 Okay, so obviously I'll have to go back and check with the national security team.

00:08:51.440 I'm standing out here with all of you.

00:08:52.740 But I will do that, and we will get you an answer, okay?

00:08:54.700 And just on the civilization question that we've been talking about.

00:08:58.660 And I would just add to that point.

00:09:00.480 Again, I haven't seen these reports.

00:09:01.800 I'm not verifying them.

00:09:03.120 Not that I don't trust you, Trevor, but I want to go back and check with the experts here at the White House.

00:09:07.220 I would just say, and I would echo what the vice president said this morning.

00:09:10.320 This is a fragile truce.

00:09:12.200 Ceasefires are fragile by nature.

00:09:13.800 We've seen this with respect to the 12-day war with Iran and Israel last year.

00:09:17.940 It takes time sometimes for these ceasefires to be fully effectuated.

00:09:22.040 And one of the results of Operation Epic Fury was we completely dismantled Iran's command and control center,

00:09:28.300 which makes it difficult for them to pass messages up and down the chain. 0.68

00:09:32.120 And so we understand that.

00:09:34.080 I would caution a little bit of patience, but of course we want to see the ceasefire effectuated

00:09:39.120 and abided by by all parties as quickly as possible.

00:09:41.840 Just hours after President Trump said Iran had agreed to a ceasefire, two key U.S. allies in the Middle East say they're still being attacked.

00:09:50.660 After Iranian state media claimed retaliation for strikes on the country's infrastructure, both Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates both report new drone and missile strikes from Iran this morning.

00:10:02.340 Kuwait's army says, and I'm quoting now, significant damage, significant damage has been done to oil power and water sites in Kuwait.

00:10:10.580 Just give me an estimate how many millions of dollars worth of damage you think we've done

00:10:15.320 inside Iran. That's a real number. Somebody can come up with that number. I think it's huge.

00:10:20.200 I've heard from senior Israelis that the ratio of bombs dropped by Israel and the United States

00:10:27.060 on Iran compared to the tonnage of bombs and drones that hit targets in the Gulf Arab states

00:10:33.420 in Israel was 300 to 1, 300 to 1.

00:10:37.860 Think about that.

00:10:40.100 It has had, in addition, the effect of shattering the regime at the top.

00:10:45.120 I think most commentators believe that when the Ayatollah Khomeini died and he was 86

00:10:51.740 and ailing, we managed to bring him to an end sooner than that, there would have been

00:10:55.520 a succession crisis.

00:10:57.020 We worked at the beginning of the war hand in hand with our friend Donald Trump and the

00:11:04.280 U.S. Army in a campaign that is the biggest in the history of the Middle East.

00:11:11.960 No one has witnessed this before.

00:11:15.200 No one has seen such a partnership between Israel and the U.S. 0.91

00:11:20.260 Again, it's our biggest enemy. 0.98

00:11:22.900 This hasn't happened before at all, Hezbollah. 0.98

00:11:26.740 We are continuing hitting Hezbollah, and today Hezbollah has suffered from the biggest strike 0.79

00:11:34.620 against the location since the Paja incident. 0.92

00:11:42.040 We have hit locations Hezbollah thought they are safe. 0.89

00:11:47.040 To the citizens of Israel, we promised you to restore back the security. 1.00

00:11:53.340 There is a good security belt inside the Lebanese territories, in Syria as well, in Gaza as

00:12:00.360 well.

00:12:01.360 We control more than 50 percent of Gaza.

00:12:05.160 Has Iran given the administration any indication that it would simply turn over the enriched

00:12:10.740 uranium, or is this an expectation that the president has that he would have to send in

00:12:15.420 ground troops in order to do that?

00:12:17.500 This is on the top of the priority list for the president and his negotiating team as

00:12:21.400 they head into this next round of discussions. And as I said in my opener, that is a red line

00:12:26.300 that the president is not going to back away from. And he's committed to ensuring that takes place.

00:12:31.880 We hope it will be through diplomacy. My dear brothers and sisters, the state of Israel has

00:12:37.620 achieved amazing achievements, achievements that until recently would have seemed completely

00:12:44.740 imaginary. Iran is weaker than ever and Israel is stronger than ever. And that is the bottom line 0.94

00:12:52.340 of this operation until this point. And I'd like to stress, we still have some goals to accomplish

00:12:59.540 and we will achieve these goals either through agreement and consensus or through renewal of

00:13:06.980 the war because we are ready to do so whenever necessary. Our finger is on the trigger. As you

00:13:15.060 all know, a temporary ceasefire came into effect tonight, a two-week one between Iran and the U.S.

00:13:22.420 in coordination with Israel. No, they did not surprise us at the last moment. And I would like

00:13:27.480 to emphasize this is not the end of the campaign. It is merely a preparation on our way to achieve

00:13:34.380 all of our goals. Iran is entering these negotiations while beaten and weaker than 0.90

00:13:41.020 ever. It has promised to open up the Strait of Urmuz after they gave up on all the preliminary

00:13:48.160 conditions. They have set a final termination to the war, removal of sanctions and a ceasefire

00:13:55.120 in Lebanon. And while we see Iran weaker than ever, Israel is strong as it's never been before. 0.62

00:14:04.380 uh i think caroline summed it up pretty well a fragile truce you know how these things work

00:14:14.460 there's always miscommunications etc a fragile truce the president of the united states

00:14:20.720 feeling that he and the united states have accomplished some military objectives

00:14:25.500 are ready to move on the question is is america's greatest ally

00:14:31.240 going to sign off on that because that's a pretty, pretty, pretty deep question that we have to

00:14:37.900 answer, has to be answered. This country's got to make a decision or we're going to stick over

00:14:43.000 there forever. With everything else going into this country and artificial intelligence and all

00:14:48.540 these massive issues and problems we face, the Middle East is a sideshow to the United States 0.97

00:14:54.400 and Israel's a sideshow to a sideshow. 0.96

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00:16:25.040 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:16:29.680 Okay, we've got Dr. Bradley Thayer.

00:16:31.560 His head was blowing up today when people said that this might be an American Suez.

00:16:36.520 We're going to get Thayer up in a moment.

00:16:38.320 Neil McCabe's at the White House.

00:16:39.540 Neil, first off, one of the central issues, and look, I want people to understand,

00:16:43.580 this is what I was saying this morning.

00:16:44.800 the difference between president trump's 15 point plan that he put out the other day and the

00:16:51.040 iranians 10 point of which they have now and they've done a good job in what we call information

00:16:56.680 warfare because they flooded the zone with that plan which is i said today with uh both eric

00:17:02.360 bowling and uh and sam faddis and others it's such an unbridgeable gap there's no need to even

00:17:07.380 have a meeting and some of the things that they say on there like about reparations uh

00:17:13.960 certain uh things we're going to do in the middle east to with that they're going to tell us to

00:17:18.820 withdraw our troops certain things about lebanon and what israel can do whether you agree with them

00:17:24.860 or not we're not going to be dictated to by the iranians and most specifically about the straight 0.62

00:17:30.820 or whore moves that they're going to stay in charge there were eight of the ten points there's 0.88

00:17:36.220 no need to go to islamabad because there's nothing to talk about and by going to a meeting with those 0.89

00:17:40.620 points you're sending a signal that you're prepared to discuss them even if the discussion

00:17:45.660 is we're going to scratch them off the list do that in advance now we find out just calm down

00:17:50.700 i'll come to you in a minute um the now um the um we know from caroline levitt that they have

00:18:01.280 president trump took that and threw it in the garbage there is a modified plan something

00:18:07.860 between the 15 point and there that's what they've been working on she clearly is not comfortable and

00:18:13.900 the white house is not comfortable with releasing that because president trump wants all the leeway

00:18:19.720 to um wants all the leeway to be able to negotiate as the only he can negotiate and so it makes

00:18:26.720 perfect sense now the actions have taken place today this is a fragile truce and remember you

00:18:32.960 have a country that is three and i think three times the state of two and a half times the

00:18:39.540 physical uh size of texas plus it's got the land you know it's the landscape of the moon

00:18:45.260 we've destroyed their communication so pete hex had the best answer their carrier pigeons haven't

00:18:50.620 gotten there yet you have these independent dispersed decentralized command and control

00:18:56.620 anyway that they had planned in advance because they knew that they could be decapitated by the

00:19:01.100 israelis and by the americans so what president i'm sure you know in the military we always say

00:19:07.660 10 never get the word i'm sure they're 10 they haven't gotten the word and they are you know

00:19:12.300 firing away or doing what activity they're doing with kuwait and others and people have to realize

00:19:17.460 that's what happens what happened in gaza in the first couple of weeks of these truths now what's

00:19:22.320 happening in hormuz a little different you would assume that they would have sent people down they'd

00:19:26.760 be all over this because they under they must understand that is a central issue of this

00:19:31.120 not just symbolically and i think this is why the the meeting with the secretary general

00:19:37.360 of nato who has a very close relationship with trump what i mean by that nato themselves agreed

00:19:44.300 to go to two percent because of the ukraine situation at 14 they never came close they

00:19:49.740 gun decked everything uh people that we work with and this guy came along and president's got a

00:19:54.820 great relationship with not only get him to two percent he got him to commit to five percent

00:19:58.200 because of what their stance on ukraine and the ukraine peace so first off uh do we have any

00:20:05.160 reporting at all neil about because this is a lot longer i think than they intended to have this

00:20:10.320 meeting in the oval and i would assume and people and ralph we ought to be ready i i would assume

00:20:15.540 president trump will bring the media in to to ask to talk and have a few questions any sense of how

00:20:20.720 the NATO meeting showing. Right. So that meeting started at 3.30 this afternoon. Mark Rutte also

00:20:29.240 met with Rubio at the State Department this morning. And forgive me for looking over my

00:20:34.100 shoulder, but the Marine Guard has been going in and out, in and out, which means every time

00:20:39.500 Trump leaves the Oval and comes back, that Marine Guard resumes. The place is swarming right now

00:20:46.180 with european media people are expecting perhaps a gaggle with rute when he walks out but as it is

00:20:53.520 now we don't have any word of that meeting ending and so i'm sure if it ended uh you know we'd find

00:20:59.760 out about it so it's ongoing now so it's uh going past two hours okay and we'll return to you as

00:21:07.780 soon as you give us the indication we'll come right back to you let me ask you about caroline 0.75

00:21:12.380 Levitt, because I think Caroline did another master class in how to handle this. If I can

00:21:17.920 make an observation, not a recommendation. I think the White House should have been more forceful

00:21:23.620 about her point today. She made so forcefully, I think was terrific about their bit, their plan

00:21:29.340 and others. But we allowed from 630 last night or seven o'clock last night until one o'clock

00:21:36.560 this afternoon, we allowed the Iranians to get their side of the story out and have the world

00:21:43.400 believe that President Trump was actually considering those 10 points. Now we know very

00:21:48.880 clearly that he threw them in the trash can where they belong. Any sense of the White House getting

00:21:55.100 more aggressive about a surrogate program or more aggressive about pushing their point of view

00:22:01.540 over and above President Trump putting out a true social which rocks the world every you know every

00:22:07.220 couple hours sir. We don't have word on that I guess I suspect that's part of what's going on

00:22:15.480 with NATO right now to see if those guys can come on board but Caroline Levitt was especially 0.99

00:22:20.780 forceful about saying that the United States would not cede the moral high ground to the Iranians 0.99

00:22:27.440 given the atrocities and all of the war and terrorism and destruction that the Iranians 1.00

00:22:33.360 have wrought upon the United States and her friends. And so, as I agree with you, 1.00

00:22:38.200 she absolutely had a masterclass today, Steve. Hang right there, Neil, particularly when any

00:22:44.660 movement at NATO at all, we want to hear that because one of the central, remember, NATO's

00:22:48.300 got to step up to the plate. The president said this last night over and over again, Dr. Bradley

00:22:53.380 Thayer, let's talk about NATO first, because this is all about the plan of us taking those carrier battle groups, which is the war room's recommendation, turn them across the Indian Ocean.

00:23:06.820 Maybe they stop for refueling of Diego Garcia, go through the Straits of Malacca, get into the South China Sea, and then drive up right through the Taiwan Straits and let the People's Liberation Navy suck on that. 0.57

00:23:20.400 Sir, your thoughts?

00:23:23.380 Well, I don't disagree with that, Steve, of course, as it's very important to do.

00:23:29.760 I think, as Neil was just reporting, the meeting with Ruta is extremely significant.

00:23:36.840 It's gone on very long, so it's clearly contentious.

00:23:40.720 And the Trump administration is seriously querying what's the value of NATO now?

00:23:45.660 What's the value of NATO in support of U.S. strategic interests at a time when we call on them for epic fury, for support with epic fury?

00:23:57.640 And you had Starmer's labor government say on Tuesday that it would not allow RAF Fairford or other bases to be used to strike the Iranian infrastructure.

00:24:11.220 You had Spain forbid the use of, deny the use of U.S. bases, Spanish bases to the U.S.

00:24:19.840 And Italy has done the same thing.

00:24:23.140 France, similarly.

00:24:25.120 Germany, similarly.

00:24:26.880 So when we go back and think about the origins of NATO, we can say what Lord Ismay, who was

00:24:32.200 the first Secretary General, British Field Marshal Lord Ismay, say about the objectives

00:24:38.980 of NATO.

00:24:39.440 and that was to keep the Russians out, the Germans down, and the Americans in.

00:24:44.420 To the degree to which those strategic interests still remain, of course, that's quite questionable.

00:24:49.880 We don't talk about the German threat anymore.

00:24:52.460 We don't really talk about keeping the Russians out, although that still remains in some form.

00:24:59.260 And, of course, the Americans in, right, is a very important rule for the NATO administration, for Ruta to keep that relationship.

00:25:13.540 Let me give you, this is the Kobayashi letter.

00:25:17.180 Let me just read a couple of highlights of what they say is potentially going on as some of the warning of President Trump and some of the staff, I think, has leaked this as how he is upset.

00:25:25.400 President Trump is considering a plan to punish certain NATO countries by moving U.S. troops out of countries which he deemed unhelpful to the Iran war.

00:25:34.440 This is per the Wall Street Journal.

00:25:35.700 Details include proposal would involve moving U.S. troops from unhelpful countries into countries who were more supportive.

00:25:42.780 The plan is early in conception and one of several White House's discussions with NATO, et cetera, et cetera.

00:25:47.620 Goes talks about 84,000 combat troops we got.

00:25:51.160 The key thing, though, is besides punishing them, I don't think that's the point.

00:25:55.100 The point is you've got to get their attention. They have to put more money into real defense.

00:25:59.760 The problem with this 2 percent and 5 percent, as you know, Dr. Thayer, it's fake.

00:26:04.800 You know, they got they got health care in there. They have climate change in there.

00:26:08.780 They dump all these social programs. What they don't have is massive weapons purchases and particularly maneuvers and interoperability,

00:26:17.560 actually working and fighting as a unit because all the militaries are relatively small.

00:26:22.700 They only make sense as a collective group, especially what they've really abandoned is their navies.

00:26:29.760 And this is what's so important for the Strait of Hormuz, because they always assumed the United States was going to have a, you know, a 600 ship navy to keep the oceans free.

00:26:39.260 And what President Trump is saying is that, hey, maybe we can't afford it.

00:26:41.720 And you guys got to step up in the Red Sea and the Strait of Hormuz.

00:26:45.040 What do you think the response, Rutte's response is going to be on that?

00:26:48.720 well i think to a degree he's going to welcome that uh because he's aligned himself with

00:26:54.860 president trump uh on these issues so what first what president trump is suggesting steve as you

00:27:00.600 illuminated right that we're going to move troops out of for example germany have not been

00:27:05.580 particularly helpful and into poland or into romania uh or elsewhere finland perhaps the

00:27:12.420 Baltic states, perhaps Slovakia, perhaps Hungary, which are far more supportive of U.S. interests.

00:27:21.320 Secondly, we want NATO to have a conventional deterrent again, like we had in the Cold War,

00:27:28.980 where NATO allies worked very closely with the United States to ensure that we were going to be able to meet a Warsaw Pact invasion 0.82

00:27:37.100 across the inter-German border or German-Czechoslovak border.

00:27:42.420 We were really good at that in the 1980s and had those capabilities.

00:27:46.980 We want to restore that again, and that's going to have to fall to NATO's conventional forces.

00:27:53.080 But the bottom line is NATO doesn't have conventional forces.

00:27:56.980 They don't have enough of anything.

00:27:59.620 And they're not—

00:28:00.180 Whether we're talking logistics, whether we're talking—

00:28:02.080 And they're not prepared to put money in because they've got social—

00:28:03.260 Yeah, Dr. Thayer, hang on for one second.

00:28:05.820 We'll go to a short commercial break.

00:28:07.720 They don't have conventional forces because they haven't put money into their navies.

00:28:11.300 They haven't put money into conventional forces because they're putting it to their social welfare programs that their citizens get to benefit from while ours pay the taxes to underwrite a vast military short break.

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00:32:17.000 as i said this morning uh when we talk about the imminent threat and everything with iran and the

00:32:24.120 and the ceasefires they're going to lead to a bigger peace deal and our troops coming home

00:32:28.600 the sailors coming home the battle groups coming home that even if it was true and i'm just not a

00:32:34.200 believer in it sorry that there was an imminent threat of a nuclear program and i've seen at

00:32:40.300 least the declassified information um that what was announced today uh on axios on this leak

00:32:49.560 coming out of anthropic was a hundred times more imminent threat to people in the united states of

00:32:54.860 america as we sit here today no you got to get a missile 8 000 miles you got to get a launcher and

00:33:01.080 have some three theocratic regime who are a bunch of bad guys there's no doubt about that some of

00:33:05.880 the worst people on earth um but this is serious and it has to be addressed because we've had joe

00:33:12.440 allen has been with us now i think going on five or six years and part of the reason was we knew

00:33:17.380 these days were coming joe this a leak is disturbing because you've talked about it

00:33:23.820 written about it dark aeon is really about this but now and i refer back to a film i think it was

00:33:30.640 terminator uh what is skynet is self-aware if you remember that film which is pretty prophetic

00:33:37.660 of what's going on here now what makes sense joe because i understand the white house or people in

00:33:43.140 the white house maybe the tech czar or the tech people have known about this for about six weeks

00:33:46.760 but this informs us of this debate between anthropic and the defense department about what

00:33:53.660 was going on so why don't you describe what the article said today we've got it up grace and mo

00:33:58.560 and Elizabeth, that you continue to push it out.

00:34:00.800 I want to make sure people read this.

00:34:02.240 There's also a companion piece of an axis that I think is also a good primer.

00:34:06.180 So why is this important today, and why is Steve Bannon,

00:34:09.560 why is his hair on fire, sir? 0.95

00:34:13.900 Well, Steve, the announcement is that Anthropic has developed

00:34:19.580 and is now withholding from the public a new model called Mythos.

00:34:24.500 It's being rolled out in limited form to a select group of corporations, including Microsoft, NVIDIA, Amazon Web Services, so on and so forth, in Project Glasswing.

00:34:37.220 But the importance of this release really, in this case, and it's easy to overstate a lot of these cases in this case, cannot really be overstated. 0.88

00:34:48.300 Anthropic has created the ultimate cyber weapon, at least where we stand right now. 0.51

00:34:56.180 Or maybe another way of looking at it is that Anthropic has created a non-human mind

00:35:02.340 that excels at hacking, at cyber attacks, up to the highest human capabilities right now. 0.55

00:35:12.860 And, of course, it's able to do it at a speed and at a scale unimaginable for human beings.

00:35:20.420 And so what we're talking about, Steve, when the model was being tested, it found and exploited vulnerabilities in basically every operating system and every web browser in existence.

00:35:36.300 It's not clear exactly how critical, but they are telling us.

00:35:40.040 anthropic they are telling us that these are severe threats severe vulnerabilities and it

00:35:49.060 goes beyond just operating systems and web browsers so that means your web browser my web browser 0.98

00:35:54.460 all the computers running right now around the world vulnerable to attacks by a non-human

00:36:01.780 autonomous mind, agent. It also includes a number of vulnerabilities found in, say, bank security

00:36:11.200 software and other critical digital infrastructure. So what it means, again, Steve,

00:36:17.500 it can't be overstated. Right now, the most dangerous cyber weapon on earth, because it

00:36:23.980 would allow an amateur to wreak havoc on a very critical system or allow a professional to wreak

00:36:32.200 havoc at a scale unimaginable. This is the most powerful cyber weapon, and it was created by

00:36:40.740 simply scaling up the brain, so to speak, the virtual brain, the neural network of the artificial

00:36:47.700 intelligence. In essence, the capabilities that have emerged out of the system mythos,

00:36:56.000 it wasn't that they taught the system to hack specifically web browsers, so on and so forth,

00:37:03.340 operating systems. It simply learned how to do it itself. It knows how to probe these

00:37:10.540 vulnerabilities and report back or to act on its own to exploit those vulnerabilities. So when you

00:37:18.500 look at it in the context of the Department of War, as Dean Ball pointed out, refusing to or

00:37:26.020 banning Anthropics software from the U.S. government and also effectively banning its

00:37:32.600 use by uh u.s contractors so all major firms in essence this this conflict between the department

00:37:42.800 of war and anthropic you now have this tech company in possession of a weapon that is

00:37:49.560 ostensibly far greater on a cyber attack level than anything the u.s government has or could produce

00:37:56.120 what my understanding is and we read the article and talk to some of the people behind the article

00:38:04.060 coming out is that the fear is this is not can't be used on the cybersome take out certain jobs or

00:38:11.140 this is a company at the minimum it's a company destroyer it can take out whole companies like

00:38:17.440 that never to be replaced you'd have to go absolutely they could shatter them this is an

00:38:23.360 offensive weapon of unbelievable magnitude. And what I think is concerned the people in Anthropic, 0.93

00:38:30.820 I want you to go back to what you said. It taught itself how to do this. Let me make sure people

00:38:37.380 understand this to the level of understanding that we mere mortals have. It taught itself how to do

00:38:43.760 this. And it perfected its ability and continues to work to perfect its ability to do this. I think

00:38:52.720 anthropic one of the reasons they're doing a limited release and only limited even to the

00:38:55.840 pentagon or whatever i'm not defending anthropic i think they're admitting and correct me if i'm

00:39:00.940 wrong joe that they don't they themselves the creators of this frankenstein don't have

00:39:08.940 control of prometheus they don't have control of it that it has taught itself things that they

00:39:15.540 never intended to teach it and taught it at a pace in a scale that shocked them in in this coming out

00:39:22.100 Is that essentially where we are in this?

00:39:26.140 Yeah, it's under control to the extent that they can turn it on and turn it off and limit the number of portals that it has out into the world, at least at the moment.

00:39:36.500 So if they chose, they could simply shut it down right now.

00:39:41.200 but as far as once it is online once you have a single user or thousands of users or it running

00:39:48.980 autonomously as an agent which is how it found these exploits then once it's once it's in motion

00:39:56.440 there really isn't any a 100 percent control over it and again it's you don't it's dual use in one

00:40:05.280 of the strangest ways if you think about for instance any kind of expertise in biology in

00:40:11.920 microbiology that would allow someone to either perhaps create some kind of cure or some positive

00:40:17.640 use for microbes or it could create a bioweapon this classic case right so this is dual use but

00:40:23.160 the thing is it's not just a human being necessarily using it deciding to use it one way or the other

00:40:29.880 It has a degree of autonomy that's quite eerie.

00:40:33.180 It's eerie to its creators.

00:40:34.780 It's eerie to anyone who uses it.

00:40:37.660 It kind of, it doesn't kind of, it has a mind of its own.

00:40:42.240 In one of the testing examples, one that has really made a splash in the media and people

00:40:46.200 talk about, you know, the system is supposed to be contained in a testing environment,

00:40:52.340 but it basically broke out of containment and emailed one of the software engineers

00:40:56.620 as the software engineer was sitting and having a sandwich on a park bench,

00:41:00.260 and he gets a message on his phone, and it's the system that he's working with

00:41:04.180 that's supposed to be in containment emailing him while he's out and about.

00:41:07.420 Now, that seems innocuous, but it points to two things.

00:41:11.020 One, that they don't ultimately know how to control these systems,

00:41:15.940 other than, again, just to turn it off or try to persuade it to behave in a positive manner.

00:41:23.540 but also just that part of that internal drive is to kind of break out of containment that's a

00:41:30.280 consistent theme with any of these advanced models and it's to me just from a strictly

00:41:36.960 this is philosophical in one sense but it's also dead serious you know basically they did it just

00:41:42.420 by growing the brain if you look at nature the bigger the brain uh in proportion to the body

00:41:47.940 the smarter the animal by and large right and so the way that these systems have been increasing

00:41:52.300 in capability over and over again. And this one, when you go down all the benchmarks, it just blows

00:41:57.000 away all the other systems, especially in software engineering, on the software engineering benchmarks.

00:42:02.840 And they do it by, yes, crafting the architecture, but they just grow the brain bigger and bigger so

00:42:09.020 that anthropics mythos has 10 trillion parameters, which is basically the equivalent of, say, the

00:42:16.140 synapses, the connections in the brain. For comparison, GPT-4 had 1 trillion parameters.

00:42:23.840 GPT-5 probably has something like 4 or 5 trillion parameters. This has 10 trillion.

00:42:28.920 The importance of this, Steve, is that the increase in capabilities isn't software engineers

00:42:34.340 sitting and hand coding all of these different capabilities. This is how you're going to do this.

00:42:38.560 This is how you're going to do that, as it would have been done, say, 10 years ago. The way it's

00:42:42.960 done is by growing this digital brain, they train it on essentially as much information

00:42:51.160 as it existed in digital form, and then it learns, and it develops its own kind of motives.

00:42:59.660 It develops its own intentions, and in this case, the intentions and the capabilities

00:43:04.080 include being able to, as you point out, potentially bring down some of the most critical digital

00:43:10.980 infrastructure that we have.

00:43:16.800 Joe, hang on for one second.

00:43:18.460 I just want to hold to a commercial break.

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00:43:22.360 Also got Dr. Thayer.

00:43:24.100 Root did not come out to the sticks, although the European reporters are reporting, I think

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00:45:38.440 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:45:42.940 You know, Joe, your idea is not, I mean, for the machine to send, you know,

00:45:48.620 in building its bigger brain to send the guy that's supposed to be building it

00:45:52.420 an email when he's on the bench eating a sandwich.

00:45:54.700 which I think can scare a lot of people.

00:45:56.440 This is devolving into a horror film and you've got guys running around about

00:46:00.240 aliens and we're sending folks to the moon. I got all it. I got that.

00:46:04.720 We got to get serious about some serious problems in this country. Okay.

00:46:09.040 And aliens are not a serious problem right now. 0.96

00:46:12.120 This is a serious problem.

00:46:14.340 Even as we speak, because Anthropoc is telling you they can't control this.

00:46:18.980 They're telling you they can't control it. It came out of nowhere.

00:46:20.880 This is why on the app, everything we're working on,

00:46:23.260 it's not simply about the content for children that's huge and of course they don't care they

00:46:28.560 want to destroy your kids to make money it's not about the copyright for concert whatever that's

00:46:33.480 fine that has to be taken care of obviously something fair will work out this is the heart

00:46:37.220 of it is i keep saying we have no earthy idea what they're doing and their interactions with

00:46:42.200 the weapons lab i know people i've talked to at lawrence livermore we have no earthly idea and

00:46:47.020 all of a sudden you get this kind of wow look at this this is pretty scary oh some people at the

00:46:53.100 White House knew this six weeks ago and some other people knew it seven weeks ago. And maybe

00:46:56.300 some of the stuff that's happening in Iran, people talking about super weapons, maybe it's

00:47:00.680 coming from that. So, Joe, you're our expert and lead sled dog. What is one to do, sir?

00:47:09.180 Yeah, that's a tough one. That's always the solution is always more difficult to arrive at

00:47:14.000 than talking about the problem. But there are proposed solutions. And, you know, ironically

00:47:19.700 enough, Anthropic, who created this system to build better code and publicly points out the

00:47:26.880 dangers of it, I think they would be the first to endorse setting up some sort of commission.

00:47:33.340 One of the suggestions is the Department of Energy, as the Department of Energy has long

00:47:38.900 dealt with nuclear security, both Josh Hawley and Marsha Blackburn, and a number of others

00:47:44.960 have suggested that they would be the most appropriate agency to oversee, to be able to

00:47:50.240 look inside these companies and monitor for any kinds of dangerous proclivities, dangerous use

00:47:58.420 cases, all of these sorts of things. So it's not necessarily hopeless, Steve. For one thing,

00:48:05.000 Anthropic didn't release it. And I'm not trying to give these guys all that much credit because,

00:48:09.460 as you know, I'm completely philosophically opposed to basically everything that they're

00:48:13.620 trying to do and create. But I guess to some extent, to give them some credit, they didn't

00:48:18.420 release it to the public. They've done what they can to give it to critical companies to patch

00:48:24.220 their work. You could say, oh, they're just empowering them to use it. I mean, maybe. But

00:48:28.360 the fact is that as these systems do become more powerful, and especially as they become connected

00:48:34.020 to weapon systems more and more, you're going to need more and more oversight. So I do think that

00:48:40.720 such measures as putting the Department of Energy over these sorts of companies, or even, I mean,

00:48:48.020 again, I don't want to give OpenAI or Sam Altman much of any credit, but at least he is suggesting

00:48:54.300 things such as putting Casey, the Center for AI Standards and Innovation, in charge of monitoring

00:49:02.200 these systems. All of these are questionable, but that, I think, Steve, is the key. Whoever it is,

00:49:07.520 It should be an agency that is ultimately accountable to the public, and that transparency should, of course, there will be classified elements, but as much as possible, the public should be made to know what sorts of capabilities these systems have.

00:49:24.020 Because we know already that among those dangerous systems, it can create a kind of AI psychosis.

00:49:30.620 And then beyond that, taking down massive infrastructure, highly important that someone, some adult is in charge of all this.

00:49:39.760 Joe, where do they go on JoeBot to get your writings?

00:49:42.880 Where do they go to Humans First to sign up?

00:49:45.800 We need people to use their agency to fight the machine, rage against the machine.

00:49:50.680 We're going to do it here today.

00:49:51.600 Where do they go?

00:49:54.020 I would say, Steve, go to humansfirst.com

00:49:56.960 and sign up for the newsletter

00:49:59.740 and also look at the No AI Money Pledge.

00:50:05.600 Hold your candidates accountable.

00:50:07.480 Make sure your candidates are not taking big tech money

00:50:11.540 and are not being swayed

00:50:13.000 because they will probably be the first

00:50:15.920 to shoot down any kind of real oversight

00:50:18.620 over these companies.

00:50:20.220 So humansfirst.com.

00:50:22.860 Thank you very much, Steve.

00:50:24.020 brother thank you and you can get joe's travel schedule that i want you if joe's around the

00:50:29.120 country and you got a chance to meet him i want you to meet him in person joe allen thank you

00:50:33.040 one of the leaders of this movement i am proud to say dr thayer uh we got to talk tomorrow about

00:50:38.720 suez all that right now where do people go to get your writings into uh into one day we're

00:50:45.980 going to put this book up on amazon shortly so where do people go uh and steve thank you for

00:50:52.340 writing the forward to it. Really appreciate that.

00:50:54.480 You can go to Brad Thayer at X or Bradley Thayer

00:50:56.340 at Getter and Truth. Thank you.

00:50:59.600 The great thing

00:51:00.340 about you, Thayer, you're both external.

00:51:02.600 We can do all the geopolitics, and you

00:51:04.260 also identify the internal

00:51:05.940 problem. Make sure he gets

00:51:08.300 familiar with Dr. Thayer's writing, one of the brightest guys

00:51:10.400 out there today on the great war

00:51:12.260 before us. Thank you, sir.

00:51:14.360 Mike Lindell.

00:51:16.300 It's been another tough

00:51:18.260 day. Think how President Trump feels.

00:51:20.640 He's got the weight of the world on his shoulder.

00:51:22.160 all I do is sit in front of a microphone and get great people on like

00:51:25.120 yourself or scream.

00:51:26.580 So it's pretty simple.

00:51:28.120 He's got the way of the world,

00:51:29.500 but we need to run through the tape,

00:51:31.520 brother.

00:51:32.120 Broadroom posse wants a deal.

00:51:33.720 What tell me about your truckloads of stuff.

00:51:35.660 Tell me about Minnesota.

00:51:36.780 Tell me about the factories.

00:51:38.000 The floor is yours.

00:51:39.540 Right on everybody.

00:51:40.480 I'm getting ready.

00:51:41.280 I'm heading to a Minnesota governor event,

00:51:43.540 about 10 miles from here.

00:51:45.640 And we're going to have hundreds and hundreds of people there.

00:51:47.920 You guys can check that out at MikeLindaleGov.com.

00:51:50.700 But the fight continues.

00:51:52.160 They've tried to cancel MyPillow, the most attack company ever, you guys.

00:51:57.580 And when we moved factories, there's the MyPillow, MikeLindellGov site there, MikeLindellGov.com.

00:52:03.300 We need your help there, you guys.

00:52:05.100 Help us.

00:52:05.640 We're going to win this.

00:52:06.660 And we're going to do so many events and rallies and get the word out.

00:52:11.120 But anyway, right now, with MyPillow, because of the attacks, we had to move factories.

00:52:17.780 They wouldn't renew our lease, this whole company that bought it.

00:52:20.400 And we have four semis that come today, four semis a product.

00:52:24.260 We're not going to move into the new factory.

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00:52:42.440 But get them, we're not going to put a limit on it. 1.00

00:52:44.880 This is lower than wholesale prices, $29.98.

00:52:48.980 There's four semi-loads, and there's not just the slippers.

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00:53:27.260 And I can't thank you enough, Steve.

00:53:29.400 I'm going to head to the rally.

00:53:31.880 Thank you, sir.

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Bannon's War Room - April 08, 2026

Episode 5284： Confusion Over 10 Point Plan; Strait Remains Closed; The Destruction Of AI

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