Bannon's War Room - Episode 5291： Talks For Peace Begin In Islamabad; Finding A Permanent Solution For Diego Garcia

00:00:00.000 What's your backup plan is that there's no field open?

00:00:02.780 You don't need a backup plan.

00:00:04.720 We have, the military is defeated.

00:00:06.720 Their military is gone.

00:00:08.740 They have, you know, we've degraded just about everything.

00:00:12.120 They have very few missiles.

00:00:13.220 They have very little manufacturing capability.

00:00:16.660 We've hit them hard.

00:00:17.660 Our military is amazing, the job they've done.

00:00:20.120 Sorry, is this a one-and-done talk, or are you open to more talks after this, depending on what you're doing?

00:00:25.000 I don't know. I can't tell you.

00:00:25.980 I have to see what happens tomorrow.

00:00:27.260 uh they're uh they've been talking for 47 years with other presidents and we're not doing much

00:00:34.180 talking thank you very much nothing could be more confusing than looking at jd vance you know

00:00:40.240 writing a book about how the middle class and the working people were getting screwed over and then

00:00:44.720 getting in power and not caring about them at all calling a trump america's hitler and then being his

00:00:51.920 sidekick you know all of this and to stand i'm so glad you raised that point uh to stand next to

00:01:00.180 orban who represents everything that we tell our children never to be uh you know a dictator who

00:01:06.080 takes from the people who doesn't care about human rights so you know all this aside this is a really 0.71

00:01:12.940 important moment for for peace in the world and and and frankly i think it's best for israel

00:01:20.280 if this fighting stops and that all of Iran's proxies and all the things they tell them to do

00:01:28.600 to Israel, all that is brought to a table. And we can figure this out because I will tell you, 0.51

00:01:34.560 I am so sad at what's happening to the reputation of Israel because of Netanyahu, in my opinion,

00:01:42.320 in this great country of ours. I have never seen it. I served for so many years and I always knew

00:01:47.940 how critical it is to keep the American people behind Israel. 0.97

00:01:52.180 The last point I'd make, in all the years that I spent in Washington 0.65

00:01:56.220 and several, many trips to the Middle East, I met with all the leaders. 0.77

00:02:00.460 I never did meet with Bibi.

00:02:01.780 That's a whole other funny story.

00:02:03.120 But I met with most of them.

00:02:06.180 And they always said a couple of things.

00:02:07.740 Number one, Senator, we will always be a democracy

00:02:11.440 and we will always care about human rights

00:02:14.180 And we will always need America and we will be America's strongest ally.

00:02:18.660 But America will never have to fight our battles. 0.68

00:02:22.580 And, you know, I just see Bibi changing the whole scenario here. 0.75

00:02:26.700 And I worry so much about it. 0.53

00:02:28.840 And with all my disagreements with J.D. Vance, I hope he succeeds.

00:02:33.620 According to sources familiar with recent U.S. intelligence assessments,

00:02:37.720 China is preparing to send a shipment of weapons to Iran despite the ongoing fragile ceasefire,

00:02:42.560 which it helped to broker.

00:02:44.180 China says that these claims are untrue and that they have never provided any weapons to any country that's party to this current conflict.

00:02:52.380 Two sources say that the weapons in China is that the weapons in China is sending include shoulder fired anti-air missile systems.

00:03:00.340 And these types of weapons pose a major threat to low flying aircraft.

00:03:04.880 It would be a huge undertaking militarily.

00:03:07.520 I'm not prepared to say that it couldn't be done militarily, but to do it and to sustain an opening, a safe opening of the strait would require months and months of hard work by not just the United States military, but frankly, militaries in the region and hopefully even militaries who aren't in the region, such as our European allies.

00:03:26.520 I mean, just the convoys alone, Jan, just I did that mission back in 88.

00:03:31.640 That's time intensive, ship intensive.

00:03:34.160 We had 500 plus ships back then.

00:03:36.160 We have only 300 or so now.

00:03:38.120 We would need help to do it.

00:03:39.580 And the convoys are slow and you've got to be constantly on your toes going through that narrow strait.

00:03:45.300 But also you need eyes overhead.

00:03:48.040 You're going to need constant intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance assets flying over the strait.

00:03:52.960 So you can see with an unblinking eye everything that's moving in that water 24-7. 0.89

00:03:58.640 And you might even have to take militarily through land forces some of those islands on both sides of the strait that the Iranians have been able to use to launch attacks from. 0.65

00:04:09.780 It's a huge undertaking. Again, not impossible militarily, but huge.

00:04:14.340 And there's just really no way the United States could do it on its own for any sustained period of time.

00:04:19.240 Breaking this evening now, the UK is apparently preparing a new version of a major plan to get the whole nation from the military and the police to hospitals and industry ready for a transition to war.

00:04:33.040 That's what the head of the armed forces has told Sky News.

00:04:35.520 Well, just beg the question, doesn't it? Whose side would all those people be on?

00:04:39.300 You transition to war all you like, but we obviously have a load of people in this country that I think will just be on the side of whatever enemy it is that we happen to be fighting.

00:04:46.840 And if that wasn't enough, the Telegraph are also reporting tonight that the Russian shadow fleet crews will be able to claim asylum in Britain if we seize their ships, because, well, yeah, they just can't.

00:04:58.060 That's the fear, apparently. I mean, it's ridiculous. I'm not sure how much more of this we can really take, can't we? Basically all because of international laws. 0.60

00:05:04.840 U.S. intelligence uncovered by the D.C. Bureau indicates that China is preparing for air defense shipments to Iran, possibly within weeks.

00:05:13.100 This is according to sources familiar with the intelligence.

00:05:16.120 The systems are these shoulder-fired anti-air missiles known as MANPADs.

00:05:20.380 That's what the sources are saying.

00:05:21.440 And they're designed to target, as you said, low-flying aircraft, including U.S. jets.

00:05:25.780 Similar weapons likely used to shoot down that F-15 last week, according to President Trump.

00:05:30.200 Iran claimed at the time that it used a new air defense system.

00:05:34.920 That was according to a statement from Iranian state media.

00:05:37.840 shipments might be routed, these sources are saying, through third countries to hide their

00:05:43.440 origin. China obviously wanting to distance itself, certainly from any visible indication

00:05:49.280 of providing weapons to Iran, considering that it has just been working the phones in recent days,

00:05:54.800 including 26 calls from its foreign minister, Wang Yi, to regional allies and friends to try

00:06:00.860 to defuse this situation. President Trump saying that Iran actually helped bring about this cease

00:06:05.360 fire. And of course, we are now hours away from these crucial talks that will be happening

00:06:08.800 in Pakistan. This would mark a major escalation in China's support for Iran, sources say,

00:06:15.460 if indeed this intelligence is correct, going well beyond the existing sales of dual-use

00:06:20.320 technology that China has been providing to Iran throughout this. But we know that China

00:06:25.640 has incentives to try to assist Iran in ways that does not harm its standing with the global

00:06:31.780 community. Obviously, China is heavily reliant on Iranian oil. By some measures, they're purchasing

00:06:37.360 80 to 90 percent of the oil going through the Strait of Hormuz, up more than a million barrels

00:06:41.360 a day. So trying to support Iran while maintaining deniability, these sources that my colleagues in

00:06:46.920 Washington have spoken to say could be really crucial here. Iran might be using the ceasefire

00:06:52.160 to replenish their weapons. Now, I want to read for you because we do have a statement from the

00:06:57.600 Chinese embassy in Washington. And I'm going to read it to you in full, what we've published.

00:07:01.980 China has never provided weapons to any party to the conflict. The information in question

00:07:07.040 is untrue. Goes on to say, as a responsible major country, China consistently fulfills

00:07:12.700 its international obligations. We urge the U.S. side to refrain from making baseless allegations,

00:07:18.300 maliciously drawing connections and engaging in sensationalism. We hope that relevant parties

00:07:23.120 will do more to help deescalate tensions. Obviously, we know, Polo, that Russia has been

00:07:28.680 providing much more significant military support than dual-use technology, even going so far as

00:07:34.120 to provide Iran with intelligence of targets that they could strike across the Middle East.

00:07:40.440 If this is true, if what my Washington colleagues have reported from their sources is correct,

00:07:45.260 certainly it would seem that the help coming from China is much, much more than was at least

00:07:50.920 originally believed. But again, a very firm denial of this reporting from the Chinese embassy in

00:07:56.480 Washington. When you see what they're doing when it comes to Lebanon, where on this 10-point plan,

00:08:01.700 don't bomb Lebanon was on there. The administration seemed to be okay with it. They're backing away

00:08:08.040 from it now. But Israel is going, they're not at the negotiating table, but they're absolutely

00:08:13.400 maybe the largest player when it comes to what happens next, especially when it comes to Lebanon.

00:08:18.340 Now, you make a great point. We have these bilateral talks going on in Pakistan and another key player in this war.

00:08:27.020 In fact, the only real ally right now that the United States has is not going to be present and wasn't present when the ceasefire was agreed to, which led to the confusion over Lebanon.

00:08:38.740 Israel's a sovereign state. They're looking at this situation from their lens and from their threats, the threats to their people. 0.56

00:08:46.040 And they're going to act. 0.76

00:08:47.400 I think we need to expect that Prime Minister Netanyahu and the Israelis are going to act in their own self-interest here, 0.62

00:08:52.200 no matter what happens in Islamabad.

00:08:55.060 They view and they live in a tough neighborhood.

00:08:58.160 They view Iran as an existential threat and certainly the proxies.

00:09:02.920 And one of the things that the Israelis have been trying to do since before the war started 0.83

00:09:07.320 and certainly over the last 40 days is break up the proxy network that Iran has available to them

00:09:13.420 is because those proxies represent a very real and tangible threat to the Israeli people.

00:09:19.580 Hezbollah firing rockets out of the north.

00:09:21.720 Hamas still exists, and, of course, the Houthis can fire stuff from the south.

00:09:25.660 So Israel has been very focused on the proxies more than the United States has been.

00:09:30.480 The other thing the Israelis are going to be watching very, very closely

00:09:33.740 is what happens to that enriched uranium,

00:09:36.560 and what is Iran allowed to do with respect to enriched uranium going forward.

00:09:40.740 That's kind of been off the table as we all talk about the strait. But to the Israelis, that too represents an existential threat.

00:09:47.280 So there's no guarantee that whatever is agreed to in Pakistan is going to be agreed to in Tel Aviv.

00:09:54.440 And we'll have to watch and see exactly how the Israelis respond as these talks continue.

00:10:00.380 We're dealing with a failed presidency called Joe Biden. The Iranians have flushed with cash because Obama and Biden.

00:10:07.680 now they're on their back foot and we're going to finish this job I pray for a deal but if they 0.94

00:10:13.500 refuse a deal just ask Maduro what happens when you turn down a good deal call him but he's in

00:10:19.160 jail you won't be in jail you're going to be dead this is the primal scream of a dying regime

00:10:27.840 pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on these people here's not got a free

00:10:35.100 shot all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know

00:10:40.700 you don't like hearing that. I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but

00:10:43.700 you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big

00:10:48.180 lie? Mega Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself,

00:10:57.020 what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will

00:11:04.620 be saved war room here's your host stephen k bann

00:11:09.340 it's saturday 11 april in the year of our lord 2026 uh our weekend coverage today uh obviously

00:11:21.860 we're going to talk about the talks we're trying to find out if they've actually started

00:11:25.120 because there are you know there's so many rumors going around so many different news stories

00:11:30.380 breaking uh we're trying to cut through the fog of war here or the fog of negotiations to see

00:11:35.260 what's real and what's not understanding that may not even start it because there may be a

00:11:40.220 misunderstanding of what's going on in lebanon and what's the agreement of israel already

00:11:45.580 to be at least party to this not a direct negotiation but that the the ceasefire in

00:11:50.380 lebanon has to take hold also all types of rumors about the chinese communist party they were

00:11:55.820 absolutely very essential to get us where they are today there may actually be a delegation

00:12:00.820 in islamabad uh which uh reinforces the war room's position is that the deal any deal that

00:12:09.080 has any meaning at all will be cut between the president of the united states and she president

00:12:13.460 she in in a room uh in beijing sometime during the state visit of president trump in uh mid may

00:12:20.880 uh you just heard right there um admiral kirby on two things number one said hey it doesn't make

00:12:26.040 it doesn't whatever's agreed to in islamabad and agreed to that washington wants to do it doesn't

00:12:31.540 mean it's going to be agreed to in tel aviv this is the whole situation with having an ally that's

00:12:37.020 got its own strategic plan having your own strategic plan is fine but if it doesn't comport

00:12:42.940 to your senior partner then it's not great and so this is going to all going to be worked out in the

00:12:48.880 next day or two. Also, Admiral Kirby giving, I think, an assessment from his perspective,

00:12:55.160 particularly given the small size of the Navy, of what actually would have to do to convoy duty,

00:13:00.160 the type of convoy duty that happened in the tanker wars in 86, 87, and 88. He said it would

00:13:05.960 take months of planning. We really don't have the resources to do it. You'd have to have

00:13:09.740 the Royal Navy. You'd have to have French, Italian. NATO would really have to step up,

00:13:15.460 which it seems to be they have no intention of doing because they don't have the resources.

00:13:20.240 They don't have the Navy either, although there is a report on one of these tracking services

00:13:25.540 that a Navy destroyer, DDG-112, is the USS Michael Murphy, a guided missile destroyer,

00:13:35.400 is actually transiting the Strait of Hormuz even as we speak.

00:13:40.120 So we'll get more into this.

00:13:41.960 We've got a packed show where we're going to do today both the geopolitics and the negotiation and national security of what's happening in not just in the Middle East, but also with the Chinese Communist Party.

00:13:53.800 But also we're going to look inside the wire, which we think is not getting enough focus, the war inside the United States for the security of the United States and to keep this republic going.

00:14:03.560 And we're going to go from Texas to Florida to many other locations and discuss all of this.

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00:16:21.460 war room here's your host stephen k man

00:16:25.580 war and the rumor of war so we're going to go from uh iran and islamabad the persian gulf to

00:16:34.540 the indian ocean dear garcia and then talk about the chinese communist party uh as we tee up for

00:16:40.340 this audience to keep you guys ahead of the curve david uh patrick karakos joins us now special

00:16:46.180 correspondent for the daily mail david thank you so much for joining us uh you are one of the top

00:16:52.780 i would say iran experts in the world their media is making a huge deal that since 1979 since the

00:16:59.440 uh the shah of iran got booted uh and with it the united states and they took over our embassy

00:17:06.400 that this is the first time in 47 years there's ever been high level face to face between i think

00:17:12.700 they've got a 12 or 14 man team uh with vice president advance and uh and jared and steve

00:17:18.040 whitkoff just we've been making the thesis here that one of the issues around this negotiation

00:17:25.200 is forget what reality is the the reality that the regime believes is that not only are they

00:17:34.820 winning this war they think right now to date they've won it and they think they have the

00:17:39.660 upper hand in these negotiations. Can you walk us through your understanding of the mindset of

00:17:44.620 this regime and where we are right now as we kick off these negotiations in Islamabad, sir?

00:17:51.160 Sure. Look, Steve, I think that is a very astute point that you've made. They think that they've

00:17:55.700 won and that they're winning. I mean, I was looking at photos of those regime stooges walking in

00:18:01.320 to the Islamabad negotiations. It's like a low-grade reservoir dogs, all of them in their

00:18:06.380 black suit strutting around. Look, what is happening right now is, you know, I mean,

00:18:12.420 Iran is the beneficiary of what I have come to term, what I call the despot dividend, right? 0.96

00:18:18.520 What does this mean? It means when democracies go to war with dictatorships, dictatorships always 0.83

00:18:23.120 have a couple of advantages. One of them is informational, okay? Look, one thing we do know

00:18:28.020 that the Americans and the Israelis have pounded Iran like it's never been seen before. And yet, 0.94

00:18:33.760 because they're a dictatorship they've cut all of the internet there is an informational imbalance 0.55

00:18:38.860 here Steve which is Iran is dark on one side all we hear are crowing boasting Iranian leaders those 0.84

00:18:45.680 of them that are still alive and on the other the Iranians watch everybody in the west and the world 0.90

00:18:51.040 hammering Donald Trump hammering Benjamin Netanyahu and it emboldens the Iranians and that's the way 0.83

00:18:56.540 it is because obviously we don't want to you know cut our meter off do we so what has happened is 0.87

00:19:01.240 that every day the Iranians have survived the discourse has moved towards them and it has 0.71

00:19:06.160 emboldened them and this is where we are with the talks right now but I would say one thing and it's

00:19:10.420 one thing I think you've said Steve one thing your viewers know there is a long way to go here let's

00:19:14.960 see how this plays out are the Iranians really in a position five six seven months from now to 0.96

00:19:19.800 oppress their own people when half of their leadership is gone when so much of their military

00:19:23.660 infrastructure is wrong I don't know but let's see this will take time the effects of this war 0.79

00:19:29.320 And look, the Iranians may survive. I'm not saying that they've lost. What I'm saying is, it's very early to say that they've won, especially you're dealing with the United States. And especially as you also say, Steve, the big relationship here is between the United States and China. And let's not forget that.

00:19:43.560 talk to us about you know one of the strategies of the regime the military of the revolutionary

00:19:51.060 guard is understanding that israel in the united states one day we're going to come for them and

00:19:56.780 a decapitation was to disperse command and control although it's been shattered to 31 military

00:20:02.760 districts the center of gravity this battle shifted to the persian gulf and the hormuz did

00:20:08.560 Does a group in Islamabad right now, did they actually have, you think, operational control of that group that's down on Hormuz?

00:20:17.080 It's a combination of Bedouins and Persians that are essentially pirates that run those islands and run those cliffs out on Hormuz.

00:20:26.180 Did they actually have the ability to deliver a deal? 1.00

00:20:29.620 That's a very good question.

00:20:31.000 Look, Iran works upon a principle of mosaic defense because they learn the Iranians are smart.

00:20:36.720 They learn. 0.98

00:20:37.320 Think about their nuclear program. In 1981, the Israelis struck the Iraqi nuclear program. It was a single above-ground reactor. The Iranians learned their nuclear program was dispersed underground across their country. They saw when the Americans came in with the Brits, but you guys, as soon as Saddam fell, the Iraqi regime crumbled. They learned from that. They built their regime on the ability, on a mosaic structure. If you take out the leadership, cells work with semi-autonomous fashion.

00:21:05.640 So yeah, what they have as well, this is a gangster regime.

00:21:08.620 Don't forget, the lower down the food chain you get, the more they become like criminals,

00:21:12.980 semi-organized criminals, gangsters, pirates.

00:21:15.880 To answer your question, they have a loose exercise of control over them.

00:21:19.680 This is not command and control like you get in the US military. 0.91

00:21:23.080 But you guys, in the end, will come to heal for what the Iranians want. 0.92

00:21:26.360 Don't forget, this is very low-tech, low-grade, disruptive processes. 0.95

00:21:30.980 We're talking about guys in speedboats, possibly giving the order to go and kill themselves and drive themselves into an American vessel if need be.

00:21:37.800 It's asymmetric. It's low grade. In the short term, it can hold the world hostage.

00:21:43.060 Let's see what happens as time passes. China needs that straight up for moose flaying as well. 0.83

00:21:47.180 Don't forget that. David, you had John Kerry, you had Hillary Clinton, you had Barack Obama, you had President Trump's negotiating team.

00:21:56.100 had the the deal he was he cut um you've had then coming into president trump's second term

00:22:02.320 uh the way the persians negotiate i think it's called market talk it's basically kind of string

00:22:08.940 you along because they've been doing this for thousands of years these people are persians

00:22:13.020 they fought greece they fought the romans uh you know they they acquiesced to the british

00:22:18.200 and now they're fighting the west as personified by the united states of america in israel

00:22:23.480 But they got this concept, I think it's called market talk or market negotiations, where

00:22:28.020 it just it takes forever.

00:22:29.300 It's very bureaucratic.

00:22:30.860 They negotiate in these small points that take forever.

00:22:33.680 Is that what we're going to see in Islamabad? 0.62

00:22:35.680 I mean, what's the process that the Persians look at when they have to face the West in

00:22:40.360 a negotiation?

00:22:42.500 Again, another good question.

00:22:44.020 Look, my first book was on Iran's nuclear program.

00:22:46.500 So I spent about 10 years, Steve, analyzing Iranian nuclear negotiations.

00:22:51.620 And, you know, I used to go and see in Vienna, Steve, a man called Ali Ashgar Soltanay.

00:22:56.040 He was Iran's ambassador to the International Atomic Energy Agency.

00:22:59.360 He was a lovely, charming man, would give me tea, would ask about my family and then proceed to lie to me for the entire hour of our interview.

00:23:06.480 Very charming. Never got a single word of truth out of him.

00:23:09.480 It's the same principle. They'll be very charming.

00:23:11.740 And another thing, every time you meet with Iranian diplomat, Steve, you have to spend half an hour, first 15 minutes of boasting where they tell you how they're an ancient civilization.

00:23:19.680 and that they defeated the Persians, so on. Then there's another 15 minutes of them listing all

00:23:24.280 their grievances against how the West has done this to them and that to them, and how they've

00:23:28.020 never started a war in God knows how many hundreds of years. And you go on and on and on, and they

00:23:33.920 will quibble and haggle over minutiae. And let's not forget, this is all now being done under the

00:23:39.780 auspices of the Pakistanis, which, Steve, I personally think is like having an arsonist 0.76

00:23:44.240 oversee a meeting of fire safety regulations. I find it absurd, but this is where we are. 1.00

00:23:48.780 So be prepared. The Iranians will try to string this one out. You are absolutely right again. 1.00

00:23:56.000 You're absolutely correct. You couldn't get up. And I realize President Trump's got a very strong

00:24:00.100 relationship with the field marshal of the Pakistani army. That being said, if you had

00:24:05.240 to pick in the world a worse group to be as mediators, it would be the Pakistanis. If nothing 1.00

00:24:11.380 more, then they're totally bought and paid for by the one belt, one road of the Chinese Communist

00:24:16.180 Party. Give me your perspective of China's influence in this, the specter of the Chinese

00:24:21.660 Communist Party that hovers over this entire meeting in Islamabad, sir. Look, and that's one

00:24:27.840 of the things I like about you and the war room. You don't forget China. China is a colossal actor 1.00

00:24:32.820 that often stays in the background. Look, China needs Iranian oil, okay? I think it's 80 or 90% 0.54

00:24:39.200 it buys. It is there in the background. It's in many ways keeping Iran afloat. Now, in the short

00:24:44.580 term, I think this benefits China. Right now, you know, energy prices right now has that

00:24:52.780 relationship with Iran. So if Iran's cutting off the oil to other people, China will still keep

00:24:57.540 flowing. Don't forget as well, it's seen a lot of Western military tech in action. It will be

00:25:02.760 watching those American strikes, learning about American military capabilities. And now, you know,

00:25:08.460 if it wasn't bad enough with the Pakistanis, we're going to have the Chinese looking statesman's 0.98

00:25:12.260 and talking about bringing peace. So they're going to be milking this for all it's worth. But again, 1.00

00:25:17.440 over the medium to longer term, it starts to look worse for them. You know, they need energy

00:25:22.500 security. China imports so much of their stuff, they need the Straits of Hormuz flowing. Okay,

00:25:28.140 in the short term, it benefits them. But in the long term, if this continues, there's inflation,

00:25:32.480 economic pressure, don't forget how much China imports. So the Chinese have an interest in

00:25:38.200 seeing this resolved. Again, it keeps coming back to, in the short term now, things might look very

00:25:43.540 rosy for Iran, because we can't hear the Iranian people. You think everyone's criticizing Donald

00:25:47.800 Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu. Imagine how the Iranian people feel about their regime. We know

00:25:52.180 what they tried to do in January. They tried to rise up, and they were slaughtered en masse.

00:25:56.560 Let's see what happens as the weeks and months unfold.

00:26:01.780 David, before we let you go, if you were in the room and having a cup of coffee with

00:26:06.560 JD and Jared and Witkoff before they go in to start this, what would be your guidance to the

00:26:12.080 Americans about what to expect, what to anticipate, and what to hopefully achieve in Islamabad?

00:26:19.600 Look, you're dealing with, as we've discussed, a very sophisticated people used to negotiate,

00:26:25.380 and they don't negotiate in the Western way. With us, if I go into a meeting with you, Steve,

00:26:29.640 you want me to get to the point. If I'm bloviating for 20 minutes, it's rude. The Iranians are going

00:26:34.040 to do it the other way. And then they'll be all offended if you don't acquiesce and we'll go on 1.00

00:26:40.640 their timeline. I would say to J.D. Vance, don't forget who you are. You are America. And Iran is

00:26:46.020 Iran. And the disequilibrium of power is colossal. I spoke to some people, security officials or 0.80

00:26:52.540 sources. They estimate that the damage being wrought on Iran is possibly $200 billion. Okay,

00:26:58.340 this is huge. We can't see it right now. The Iranians aren't talking about it because they're

00:27:02.220 all gang. Don't forget that you have the upper hand here. Yes, you need to get those straits 1.00

00:27:06.440 open. Don't forget who you are. And don't forget who the Iranians are. Don't forget what they did

00:27:11.860 to their people just in January. Reports of up to 30,000 being killed. You're the United States

00:27:17.420 of America. Get the straits open. You're dealing with a rogue and criminal state. And don't ever

00:27:22.780 forget that, no matter how polite they are. David, where do people go to get your writings

00:27:28.840 He's a special correspondent of The Daily Mail, your social media, and your books.

00:27:32.740 They're quite amazing.

00:27:34.120 You're an expert in this field.

00:27:35.120 Where do folks go?

00:27:37.400 Daily Mail, dailymail.co.uk or dailymail.com.

00:27:41.120 And my Twitter feed, at D. Patrick Haracos.

00:27:43.720 Instagram, the same.

00:27:44.860 And we're in 140 characters, Nuclear Ron.

00:27:47.260 And I'm in the process of writing my third book, Steve.

00:27:50.020 And I shall give you a copy when it's out.

00:27:53.940 Well, we look forward to having you on and promoting that book and have our audience read it.

00:27:58.200 Thank you, David. Appreciate you and appreciate the Daily Mail.

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00:30:13.520 War Room, here's your host, Stephen K. Vann.

00:30:18.160 okay we're gonna go inside the wire into the united states of america the great state of

00:30:22.780 texas here momentarily but i got uh to get cleo pascal who's one of our contributors and just

00:30:29.420 although um maybe not tall in height a giant among men of the effort you've done correct me

00:30:38.180 if i'm wrong cleo because of you sounding the gong and allowing us to wake up certain people

00:30:44.300 in the government and getting President Trump very focused, as he has been over the last month

00:30:48.620 or two. I believe that the situation of just essentially giving away Diego Garcia, since it's

00:30:55.500 such a major strategic, people realize how strategic it is, is off the table now, kind of

00:31:01.520 semi-officially or close to officially, ma'am? Yeah, so this is a big win for the war room and

00:31:08.740 the posse and everybody who got involved in raising their voices and getting it through the

00:31:14.140 wall and into the Oval Office, President Trump saying, no more. We are not going to let the UK

00:31:22.700 give away this strategic, crucial base in the Indian Ocean to Mauritius, a country that's

00:31:30.020 very close to China and that already was complaining about things like the US possibly

00:31:36.340 basing nuclear weapons there and things like that. This became the importance of Diego Garcia

00:31:41.920 became really clear in the lead up to the Iran war when the British wouldn't let the U.S. use

00:31:49.940 the base. And so not only did the importance of the base come to the fore, but the whole questioning

00:31:56.300 of the relationship with the U.K. because the U.K. also wouldn't let the U.S. use bases in the U.K.

00:32:02.260 itself. And when their base, the UK base in Cyprus, was hit by Iranian drone, the UK didn't

00:32:10.040 even have the capability to go and defend it. The French had to go send a ship to sort of stand 0.53

00:32:15.760 guard offshore. So not only has the issue of Diego Garcia been sorted out for at least a short while

00:32:23.940 now, but the whole question of looking at European allies and their possessions across

00:32:32.100 the world and what their vacillation means, not just in Europe, but for strategic positioning

00:32:37.860 elsewhere. So for example, France in places like New Caledonia has come to the fore. So when we

00:32:44.400 have a chance to take a pause and take a breath, the next job is going to be, first of all,

00:32:49.560 a permanent solution to diego garcia yeah yeah but but here here's the the key point

00:32:56.560 you you were harping about diego garcia almost a year ago the very beginning of the administration

00:33:03.540 and people were very working on a number of different things etc etc and there are some

00:33:08.200 people in the in the administration the permanent bureaucracy and we're going to get to that we're

00:33:13.320 going to have a author of a book in the second hour about the russia hoax it talks about the the

00:33:18.100 the deep state there were deep staters that were fine with this and then we kept saying you came

00:33:24.820 on here and argued that hey you can't depend on a bunch of people the united states has to kind of 0.74

00:33:28.660 be in control of this because our our strategic plan with india and against the chinese communist

00:33:35.980 party everything from the western pacific dager garcia is one of the linchpins in that now president

00:33:40.980 trump became aware of that as he focused on it said what's going on here you're giving this away

00:33:44.860 but what you did was actually foreshadow what's the issue in hormuz we just had admiral kirby on

00:33:54.180 in the cold open and admiral kirby said what i think is unfortunately reality given the size

00:33:59.820 of our navy and how we've let the navy deteriorate uh over biden and these democrats right to be

00:34:05.880 nowhere near what it was under president reagan is that we don't have the convoy capacity it's

00:34:12.060 it's just it's just not feasible and you have these europeans that are not prepared to step

00:34:16.720 up right now for the strait of her moves which is absolutely and the red sea which is absolutely

00:34:20.460 essential this was this is what you brought up in diario garcia and certain yes we have to get

00:34:27.160 our allies to do more but there's certain situations you're going to come down to where

00:34:32.120 it's just going to rest on the united states shoulders and you have to plan for that and you

00:34:35.520 have to prepare for that and what you can't do is be asleep on the bridge and just like these if we

00:34:41.000 had let Diego Garcia go, it would be such an incredible nightmare, legal nightmare, financial

00:34:46.240 nightmare, strategic nightmare. And you, because you raised your voice and President Trump heard

00:34:51.700 it, and President Trump, as soon as he heard it, he says, we're not doing that. What do you mean?

00:34:54.960 We're going to give it away to these guys who are basically controlled by the Chinese Communist

00:34:57.720 Party. It's not going to happen. That should be a lesson that we should use that template

00:35:02.620 and take it to the Western Pacific and take it to the Three Island chain and Hormuz, because it's 0.55

00:35:09.420 the reality as long as we've got the backbone of u.s security and you can see this in hemispheric

00:35:14.680 defense is based upon a you know president trump is a what a mahanian right he believes in naval

00:35:22.700 power he believes in the importance of choke points he believes this is his whole he's not

00:35:27.220 messing around in greenland for his health he understands greenland's strategic necessity the

00:35:33.160 same in the arctic the same with the panama canal the same with venezuela and guiana in the uh in

00:35:38.760 the Caribbean, in the Gulf of America. And so this is what's so important. This victory

00:35:44.100 is not a small victory. This is a massive victory because it speaks to larger issues,

00:35:49.500 Clio. Well, thank you. Yes. And if you thought I was annoying ranting on about Diego Garcia,

00:35:55.340 wait until we get to the islands in the Pacific. He is, President Trump is not just a Mahanian,

00:36:00.800 he knows McKinley. And McKinley was the president that after the Spanish-American War said,

00:36:07.000 we're going to need to keep Guam, at least in the Philippines, because otherwise we can't get across

00:36:12.840 the Pacific. Our trade isn't safe and our Oregon and California coasts aren't safe. He specifically 0.92

00:36:17.580 mentioned Oregon and California not being safe if the Spanish, which was the power then,

00:36:23.940 dominated the Western Pacific. So yes, we're back to an era of actually having to look at maps. 0.83

00:36:29.820 And we had a really good run. I mean, talking about the West as exemplified by American power,

00:36:36.180 from 1961 to 1981, every American president had served in the Navy, and all of them except Carter

00:36:42.840 had served in the Pacific during World War II. So they knew what the Pacific was. And then that was

00:36:48.080 followed by Bush Sr., who had, of course, also fought in the Pacific as vice president, then

00:36:52.540 president. So they set up an architecture in the center of the Pacific, in the Western Pacific,

00:36:57.340 including the Compacts of Free Association with Palau, Federal States of Micronesia,

00:37:01.020 Marshall Islands, the Covenant with the Commonwealth of Northern Marianas, which allowed

00:37:05.660 to join the U.S., which created such a sense of security in the Central Pacific that we've

00:37:10.760 forgotten the geography. Their plan was so good and worked so well that it's just been left to

00:37:15.940 drift. Now you have a situation where in U.S. territory, the Commonwealth of Northern Mariana

00:37:20.660 Islands, Chinese can arrive without a visa. The Chinese have realized how important this area is

00:37:27.040 to us, how important this geography is to the Western architecture that underpins the whole 1.00

00:37:33.760 first island chain second island chain and keeping the new threat off of the oregon and california

00:37:39.500 and all the other coasts and they have been systematically trying to undermine it

00:37:43.420 the the the mckinley in the 19th century president trump takes uh kind of guidance

00:37:51.240 from mckinley on tariffs the uh we are a pacific nation the strategic heartland with mckinder it

00:37:58.780 was central asia and the control this is what world war ii was about could say what's world

00:38:03.660 world ones about definitely world war ii the fight of the germans and the japanese to control

00:38:08.340 the central heartland of the eurasian landmass one coming from japan you know coming east to india

00:38:14.720 or coming west to india the other the germans striking through wait for it ukraine and belarus

00:38:21.680 into russia to control that where we won because we're a pacific nation the strategic heartland

00:38:28.840 of the united states is that vast pacific which is larger than the eurasian land mass

00:38:33.300 the giants of the late 19th century understood that and president trump understands that you

00:38:39.480 talk about america first and coming home go ahead ma'am it's well it's worth pointing out

00:38:43.200 mckinder was british and the eurasian the key point of the of the eurasian heartland was india

00:38:50.080 so when you looked at when they were talking about controlling the world and the and the

00:38:54.200 Rimland, you know, he was talking about controlling, as you're talking about sort of from the Volga to

00:38:59.700 the Yangtze, that's kind of their Eurasian landmass. But that was because they wanted to be in that 0.99

00:39:05.560 position or have control in that position to be able to get down to their and secure their empire

00:39:09.740 in India. So that's a whole different geography than America's geography, where it was

00:39:15.500 manifest destiny, you go west, you go to the coast, and then you put in place your trade lines

00:39:21.140 out to Asia, which is fundamentally maritime, which is why Mahan was American.

00:39:26.420 You know, the whole framework of our geopolitical study has been colonialized by a British

00:39:35.620 geography, which has been land-based and based on colonies that they had, not on America

00:39:41.900 developing as a completely different system and a completely different geography.

00:39:45.620 That was like, for example, George Washington in the Farewell Address talking about the

00:39:49.280 u.s being a detached and distant land he wasn't talking about eurasia and then from there it

00:39:55.180 moved out west and then out through the pacific so it is a core part of america's uh not only

00:40:00.780 security but mythology and also obviously economy manifest destiny clear we're gonna have you on a

00:40:09.780 lot more to talk about this where do people go right now for this weekend this is why i keep

00:40:13.840 saying the middle east as far as the geostrategic um necessity and importance to the united states

00:40:20.840 the middle east is a sideshow and israel is a sideshow to a sideshow the beating heartland of

00:40:27.560 america first uh and our vital national security rests in the entire western hemisphere hemispheric

00:40:36.440 defense of president trump coupled with the central pacific we are a pacific nation manifest

00:40:42.360 destiny the great the folks that followed on from the revolutionary generation and from the populist

00:40:48.860 under Andrew Jackson and the and the folks that got us through the civil war they understood that

00:40:54.700 Secretary Hay more than anybody with McKinley Secretary Hay who had been a 20 year old secretary

00:41:01.360 was the basically quasi speech writer and note taker for wait for it Abraham Lincoln Cleo where

00:41:07.840 do people get you ma'am i'm on x just my name cleo pascal c-l-e-o-p-a-s-k-a-l and i'm still

00:41:15.340 lurking on getter as real cleo you're you're amazing cleo small in stature but big in heart

00:41:24.820 and you just had a big victory so thank you very much for being at the forefront of this thank you

00:41:29.200 thank you sir and thank you to the posse leo pascal so great the people we have on here their

00:41:36.840 fighters are great we got brandon hall now brandon we got a couple minutes here i'm gonna hold you 0.93

00:41:40.040 through the break get us an update on uh because the islamists are coming for your children and 0.91

00:41:46.540 they're coming through your for your children through the education system we have stopped 0.99

00:41:51.020 them in texas is that correct sir yeah that's right steve we normally went on the defense this 0.97

00:41:56.940 week we went on the offense and we kept all of the islamic indoctrination that they were attempting

00:42:01.280 to put into our classrooms out and we passed incredible social studies standards with a texas

00:42:06.360 in America first emphasis. Brandon, how did you guys, give me a minute on this before you go to

00:42:13.240 break. How did you guys do this? Our back was against the wall just because people really

00:42:17.060 didn't know about it. I mean, you had in November, I think 91 people came and testified, 89 were

00:42:23.480 Islamists and I think two were Texans. How did this thing get turned around? I mean, this is a

00:42:27.960 sweeping massive victory that's going to resonate throughout this country in the world. How did it

00:42:32.980 happen? Well, you and the posse were certainly a big part of it, Steve, just bringing attention

00:42:37.920 to this important issue. And, you know, nobody even knew that this fight was taking place at

00:42:41.980 the State Board of Education. And of course, the media only reports one side of it. So just

00:42:46.020 bringing attention to it. And when people found out that we had a designated foreign terrorist

00:42:50.600 organization trying to influence the board and put their indoctrination to the social studies

00:42:55.040 standards, Texas Patriots rose up and roared like a lion. And we probably outnumbered them,

00:43:00.800 our patriots who showed up at the board and testified probably outnumbered the Islamists 0.82

00:43:05.580 and the woke liberals who came and testified before the board. And I know certainly the

00:43:10.380 amount of emails and phone calls that I've got telling me to vote for the right things to keep 1.00

00:43:14.600 Islam out of our classrooms. Our patriots definitely overwhelmed the other side. And I 1.00

00:43:20.460 think this is a great model that we should use everywhere, which is we have to keep the people

00:43:24.800 informed and let them know what's happening. And then we need our patriots to put the right

00:43:29.320 amount of pressure on politicians because politicians respond to pressure they're only

00:43:33.560 getting it from the other side they're going to listen to the other side our people need to tell 1.00

00:43:38.040 them to have that texas and america first emphasis and that's how we stop the the rise of islam 0.99

00:43:43.880 because of course they're coming for our classrooms but not today in the state of texas is the message 0.90

00:43:48.840 that we sent them not today in the state of texas because julie pickering yourself texans responded

00:43:57.400 to the call. The Calvary arrived, folks. And guess what? You are the Calvary.

00:44:06.280 This is a lesson that we have to embrace. Short break. Brandon Hall on the other side.

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00:45:38.000 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.

00:45:44.940 brandon hall um before you go today and look thank you your ministry you're a pastor but you've

00:45:55.780 stood up for the children of texas and uh every generation of texan that's come before you

00:46:01.020 thanks you for that and julie pickering and all the other folks that stood in the breach in this

00:46:06.240 texas education board these are fights that matter and they're fights that resonate

00:46:11.260 uh not just down through time but this will have a massive ripple effect because of the

00:46:16.620 the the economics of the publishing industry where scale is so important

00:46:20.560 what texas goes texas leads so many states i think it's 19 states the texas the decision

00:46:26.040 of the texas education board goes rolls through i just want to make sure before before you leave

00:46:32.440 us on this saturday in this historic victory and folks this came from your use of your agency

00:46:38.420 you have everybody squabbling people yelling and screaming at each other and all the stuff's going

00:46:42.800 on it doesn't matter it doesn't matter what matters is action what matters is victory victory

00:46:52.420 begets victory we had lost this in texas you know i'm not so sure how much the proposition

00:46:59.940 10 to banish real law would have mattered let's say this would have mattered a lot less

00:47:05.720 this is the personification or manifestation maybe is a better word manifestation of populism

00:47:14.620 a lot of people can talk a lot of people got opinions they're going to do this they're going

00:47:18.820 to do this and this is terrible this person saying this about me this person saying about me

00:47:21.960 it doesn't matter why do you think i never talk about that kind of stuff on the show it's a waste

00:47:26.100 of time what's what's important is action and we have massive problems in this country

00:47:35.200 they're going to be solved by action and you are the vanguard of a cadre of people that can get

00:47:42.920 things done and you see this in the julie pickerings the brandon hall i just want before you

00:47:46.440 leave the difference because this is not a small thing this is kind of everything the difference

00:47:54.020 between what you were advocating being in these textbooks to teach this generation and the next

00:48:03.120 generation of young texans versus what the islamist wanted to put in these books sir

00:48:09.700 well the difference is steve we're going to teach the greatness of america we're even going to teach

00:48:15.460 manifest destiny and the fact that manifest destiny was the motivating philosophy behind

00:48:20.420 our great ancestor pioneers who took freedom cultural advancement and prosperity from sea

00:48:25.840 to signing sea we're actually going to teach that that was a positive thing in a good thing we're

00:48:30.120 no longer going to apologize for our greatness in the state of Texas and in America. And we're

00:48:35.040 going to pass that great tradition and that great heritage down to our students. And it'll have that

00:48:39.980 Texas first focus instead of a global focus. And so our students will see themselves as Texans

00:48:45.800 and Americans and part of that great story. And then we also teach factual history about

00:48:51.260 the fact that it was the teachings of jihad that motivated the conquest of Christian lands and

00:48:56.600 motivated of the killing of 3,000 Americans on 9-11. 0.89

00:49:00.660 And so what we're finding out is that when you stand up to Islam, you stand up to the 0.90

00:49:04.800 negative forces that are trying to come in and revise our history, that you can win. 0.81

00:49:09.040 And we've reversed decades worth of historical revisionism that paint America as the bad

00:49:14.040 guy.

00:49:14.400 We're teaching that America is the good guy.

00:49:16.440 We haven't always been perfect, but we have an incredible story here.

00:49:19.360 And it's led to unparalleled levels of freedom and prosperity for America and also for the

00:49:24.840 rest of the world.

00:49:26.600 um where did they go brandon to find out more about you more about this texas situation and

00:49:33.820 julie pickering yourself the members of the education board people that brought this to

00:49:37.580 everybody's attention and then of course the war and posse and others that all joined in and had

00:49:42.800 this massive turnout and let these politicians know and let these uh leaders of the education

00:49:47.920 appraise and texas know you're not backing down we're not doing that we're not teaching this

00:49:52.500 globalism. We're not going to teach all this Islamist crap. We're going to teach the best 0.98

00:49:58.100 values of Christendom in Western civilization as manifested in the state of Texas through

00:50:05.660 manifest destiny. Where do they go, Brandon? Yeah, Steve, I want to thank you and the posse

00:50:12.220 and also my Republican colleagues for fighting this fight with me. We couldn't have won this

00:50:15.600 victory without you. We have to come back in June and finally adopt these set of social 0.95

00:50:20.740 study standards they can follow me at brandonhalltx on x.com and i'll keep everyone updated

00:50:26.320 oh yeah don't think this fight's over they're going to continue they're going to come hard now

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00:50:37.860 of a fight brandon thank you so much thank you for standing in the breach patriot and hero

00:50:42.040 just amazing um mike lindell speaking of patriots and heroes how does this governor's

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00:50:56.300 you after you take your hand off the bible not to call it right here on my notes today i'm going

00:51:01.440 to be an inaugurated governor hey man brother get my notes ready you guys i'm going in to speak here

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Bannon's War Room - April 11, 2026

Episode 5291： Talks For Peace Begin In Islamabad; Finding A Permanent Solution For Diego Garcia

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