In this episode, we discuss Iran's refusal to negotiate over the Strait of Hormuz with the United States, as well as the possibility of nuclear weapons being used in the Middle East. We also talk about the impact of the Potsdam Declaration and the Japanese surrender in World War II.
00:00:00.000We've defeated them militarily. They've dropped a couple of water mines. You call them water mines in the boat. We've defeated all of their water boats, too. Their Navy has gone 158 ships. They have 28 water droppers, mine droppers, they call them. All of them are sunk. They probably have a couple of mines in the water. We have mine sweepers out there. We're sweeping these straight. In addition to that, we're negotiating whether we make a deal or not makes no difference.
00:00:30.000me. And the reason is because we've won. Whether you listen to the fake news or not, you know,
00:00:37.080it's amazing. Their credibility is down to 13 percent. The media credibility down to 13 percent.
00:00:45.180Think of it. We defeated their Navy. We defeated their air force. We defeated their anti-aircraft.
00:00:51.200We defeated their radar. We defeated their leaders. Their leaders are all dead.
00:00:56.560And now all we do is we'll open up the strait, even though we don't use it, because we have a lot of other countries in the world that do use it that are either afraid or weak or cheap.
00:01:10.440I don't know what it is, but we were not helped by NATO.
00:01:14.160We heard from a spokesperson from Iran's Ministry of Foreign Affairs saying that the two sides couldn't agree on two to three key issues.
00:01:23.200That is those issues we believe, obviously, around the Strait of Hormuz.
00:01:28.480That's been a core dispute between the two sides.
00:01:31.440J.D. Vance also alluding to Iran's nuclear enrichment program.
00:01:36.280We also know that Iran had asked for sanctions relief and that they had also asked for a regional ceasefire, including Israel and Lebanon.
00:01:45.040It seemed that the U.S. was unwilling to meet there.
00:01:48.560A couple before these talks started, U.S. President Donald Trump came out and said that it really made no difference to him whether these talks were successful or not.
00:01:57.680He said that the U.S. had already won the war. We kind of heard a similar sentiment from Iran.
00:02:03.260They definitely felt they had the upper hand. They certainly had a lot more leverage given their control over the Strait of Hormuz, which is absolutely, you know, disrupted global supply chains.0.95
00:02:14.500And we know that Iran will not open that up until a reasonable solution is met.0.87
00:02:22.420Unfortunately, a lot more questions than answers.
00:02:25.220We know that Qatar had mentioned they were going to restore full maritime navigation in the Persian Gulf today.
00:02:31.580We know that the U.S. Navy was working to remove some of those mines in the Strait of Hormuz.
00:02:36.760And we know that Israel and Lebanon were in talks to hold ceasefire talks next week.
00:02:41.540So now all of that kind of up in the air. This comes after yesterday, no reported attacks on Iran and no reported attacks from Iran onto Israel or their Gulf Arab neighbors, which has been a welcomed sign of some sort of peace and stability.
00:02:57.560But now all of that up in the air. Becky, I have in front of me, though, you know, the Potsdam Declaration, July 1945.
00:03:04.960I wasn't even going to mention this, but I have it.
00:03:07.820And then we have the instrument of surrender by the Japanese, September 2nd, 1945.
00:03:13.420And in order to implement the Potsdam Declaration and get them to surrender to the terms that the Allies wanted, we dropped two atomic bombs.0.93
00:03:22.800Now, I'm not encouraging it. I'm asking about the law.
00:03:25.780Is that legal today under the law of the war or not?
00:03:29.960yeah so the the calculation is a bit different when it comes to weapons of mass destruction
00:03:36.920because that's really a those are munitions that have a strategic level effect and so for for us
00:03:46.600it would be the president of the united states who decides whether to launch a nuclear weapons and
00:03:52.720so which was also the case back in world war ii the considerations are probably a bit different
00:03:57.720now, but it's still, this law of armed conflict still applies. It's just the decision-making
00:04:04.140process for weapons of mass destruction is elevated because of the strategic nature
00:04:09.300of the impact of those weapons. So I take that as a possible yes. I'm not encouraging it. You know,
00:04:16.660the left goes crazy and they try to put words in our mouths. I'm just trying to get the law now
00:04:21.680down here. I think it would be very helpful to go back and read the terms of surrender for the
00:04:27.400Japanese for our envoys to read it because the Japanese were dug in, even after the dropping
00:04:33.380of two atomic bombs. And it took a lot of pressure, even after that, to get them to surrender.
00:04:41.220The campaign is not over yet, but it is already clear. We have historic achievements. I want to
00:04:48.000remember where we were. Iran tried to encircle us with a stranglehold. Hamas in Gaza, Hezbollah in
00:04:55.100Lebanon, the Assad regime in Syria, the militias in Iraq, the Houthis in Yemen. Iran itself,
00:05:01.820I mean, they wanted to strangle us and we are strangling them. They threatened us with1.00
00:05:06.140annihilation and they are now fighting to survive. We have prepared them. We still have more to do.
00:05:11.700Well, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu clearly said right at the top of the video message,0.74
00:05:15.520you saw that top right there, that the campaign against Iran isn't over yet. He didn't specifically
00:05:20.920say whether he was for or against the ceasefire negotiations, but he and Israeli officials
00:05:25.900clearly believed from the very beginning that they would fail, just as they believed that
00:05:30.160the diplomatic effort between the U.S. and Iran before the war, some 40 days ago, would
00:17:15.140I want you to know I'm not encouraging this, but I do believe you ought to read, go back to the pot stamp conference and read the accord and then read the terms of surrender in September of 45 that we finally got the Japanese to sign on the deck of the USS Missouri.
00:17:30.900um we did have not just simply firebombed them we did have a wait for it naval blockade around
00:17:38.280japan for a while uh i'm gonna get to captain finot in a moment but um eric bowling the global
00:17:45.240markets today i realize many things are not open but the field that you've got particularly that
00:17:50.640president trump has uh after being rejected by the iranians let's be blunt it was rejection by
00:17:57.440the Iranians because they think they're winning, right? Or certainly they don't think they've
00:18:02.260lost and they're not prepared to sign a surrender document. Your thoughts, sir?
00:18:08.940First thought when I saw it last night and I texted you, Steve, is this is really bad.
00:18:13.580Vance walked out. I had thought he was going to stay a lot longer and maybe try and negotiate,
00:18:18.140keep the negotiations going. But he left after 21 hours and headed back here. I'm trying to
00:18:24.160figure out why. I mean, this is global oil. This is a global economy at risk. Can I just very quick,
00:18:29.720I'll tell you, the first thing I did is I called a couple of my friends who are major brokers of
00:18:33.980international oil. And I said, what do you think? It feels like a lot higher. And they said, yes.
00:18:38.340I said 110. And the quote was very soon. So we finished Friday at about 96, $97 a barrel.
00:18:46.320So these people think at least 100, I do too, at least 110. I went to CalSU, which is a betting
00:18:51.380market. Since the financial markets are closed, the oil markets aren't trading at the moment,
00:18:56.960but Calci is a betting market and Pali market are betting markets. Smart money goes into these.
00:19:01.660I think there's something like $300 million are betting on whether or not we actually put boots
00:19:06.880on the ground in Iran in Calci or Pali market. So there's a lot of smart people putting smart
00:19:13.060money and they believe, I think there's a 55% chance of $103 a barrel tomorrow and about a 33%
00:19:21.060chance of $104 a barrel tomorrow, about a 25, one of, I believe, will be on our way to 110,
00:19:27.520which brings me to Mark Levin's comment. I like Mark a lot. I do. I think he's a very,
00:19:31.500very smart man. He is completely wrong on this. And I will tell him this. I'll have this
00:19:35.240conversation with him or debate him on the economic effects of what's going on. He wrote
00:19:39.920it off as the American people are going to feel the price of a gallon of gasoline for a little
00:19:43.980while. That is frankly BS, my friend. Everything is fuel related. Everything is petroleum related
00:19:50.180products, transportation. And when you have this situation, we're pushing $110 a barrel here,
00:19:55.340$130 a barrel for Brent, $150 a barrel for Mid-Eastern Crudes, all prices will go up.
00:20:01.020They have to go up and they'll continue to go up. So a temporary blip is insulting to me. It's
00:20:06.660frankly insulting. I'm Mark Levin. I would love to have this conversation with you directly.
00:20:10.460Here's why. It's not temporary. And we literally removed a president, President Biden,
00:22:44.140I mean, the president clearly didn't like what happened that came out of the talks in Islamabad.
00:22:49.560And he saw that his team was moving in to do what had been on their plan,
00:22:55.380which was to start clearing the strait.
00:22:58.060And so he sent through yesterday two guided missile destroyers,
00:23:02.020Michael Murphy and Frankie Peterson. And this is in response to what Iran put out on Thursday,
00:23:10.060the 9th of April, this chart that shows where they laid mines. It was the first time since
00:23:16.380the war started that Iran had even acknowledged that they put out mines. And if we can get the0.99
00:23:23.060chart up, it'll show a red box in the center of the Strait of Hormuz. There it is. And so where
00:23:28.620it says hazardous area is where the old traffic separation scheme was, that ships would go in and
00:23:35.920out of the Strait of Hormuz. The two corridors to the north of that that go through Iranian waters
00:23:42.780through Keshem and Larak Island on the inbound and then south of Larak Island on the outbound,
00:23:47.940those were established in mid-March by the Iranians, and some ships were paying this toll
00:23:53.020to Iran. So when the talks failed here last night, you know, the Iranians thought that they had
00:24:00.280checkmate on us. And then the president's team countered that with saying, hey, we just sent
00:24:05.500two destroyers through. And, you know, you don't lead in a minesweeping effort sending two Aegis
00:24:12.020destroyers through. Now, Admiral Cooper down at CENTCOM said that, you know, this is the beginning
00:24:17.800of setting the conditions for mine countermeasure clearances to ensure the strait is fully clear
00:24:22.840of sea mines. And there was some, you know, conversations about drones and unmanned systems
00:24:29.180and other EOD services. And I think the president said, I'm not going to play this game. I'm just
00:24:34.480going to blockade this and everybody's going to suffer until the world finally gets enough of1.00
00:24:40.860this and tells Iran to stop. And so I'm very glad that he's done this. It is escalatory in the sense1.00
00:24:47.920of economic escalation for the rest of the world. But in terms of military escalation,
00:24:53.020it has actually kept our forces from actually having to be picked off or that golden BB that
00:24:58.600we saw against the F-15 last week. A similar kind of event could happen against a ship
00:25:04.540doing mine clearance measures in there. Why risk that? Let's just tell everybody you can't
00:25:09.900come through the strait until Iran is broken on this. And so they're going to have to give this0.97
00:25:15.460up. And that'll be the test to see how long the world will put up with having zero ships go
00:25:21.360through. And I'll just tell you this thing on the mines, one last thing. There's the United
00:25:25.860Kingdom's Maritime Trade Office that has been putting out these reports since the war started.
00:25:30.940They put out 31 reports every couple of days. And I counted them up. I went through every report
00:25:37.300today. There has been 202 tankers and cargo ships, big bulk cargo ships that have gone through the
00:25:45.020Strait of Hormuz since the war started. Vastly down from, you know, from the normal transit of
00:25:51.800135 ships a day. But still, 202 ships went through the Strait of Hormuz. Most of those were on AIS,
00:25:58.660all of those were AIS tracked. Some went through the toll booth, but many went through the middle.
00:26:04.660And we had a larger number of dark ship vessels that went through, turned off their AIS,
00:26:10.000and went through the strait. And in those 40 plus days, there hasn't been, according to the United
00:26:15.860Kingdom's Maritime Trade Office, which is feeding the Lloyds of London's paradigm, zero mines have
00:26:22.960been confirmed. So there hasn't been a confirmed mine, yet the whole world shut down and refused
00:26:28.340to go through. And it was really a based upon, you know, in the tanker wars, ships continue to
00:26:34.640go through even though ships struck mines in the 80s but now there's zero risk uh from the
00:26:41.280international shipping community and i think president trump has just said that's it okay
00:26:46.160yeah captain finnell hang on we're going to continue this conversation after a short commercial
00:26:52.520okay uh sam fett is going to join us in a little while dr thayer the treat of parsi
00:27:08.860you can get jack basopic in the second hour we're also going to go into ireland also about
00:27:13.820the revolution in the streets by the truckers and the farmers to get to all that um
00:27:19.320bowling i'm coming right back to you uh because folks this is we are now thrust upon the world0.63
00:27:29.140stage we had this uh because of imminent threat nuclear weapons i argue that israel dragged us
00:27:36.580into this war for their own greater israel project but hey be that as may that is water
00:27:42.640under the bridge now president trump did try to accommodate and sit down and had the first
00:27:50.700meeting of senior officials of the u.s government since we were unceremoniously turfed out back in
00:27:57.0801979 when the shah got thrown out and we got thrown out with them and then they seized our
00:28:01.900embassy so we've been around that neighborhood for 47 years president trump tried to do it0.96
00:28:07.040it looks like the Iranians don't think they're losing their arrogance in this is is pretty0.70
00:28:15.860up front and in your grill so Captain Fennell we've been arguing here and Scott Besson's been0.99
00:28:22.440arguing here in the war we've been arguing for a while instead of boots on the ground or taking
00:28:27.700Carg Island because Carg Island's up near the Tigris Tigris and Euphrates just block we have
00:28:33.660two carrier strike groups and put a third down there um just blocked the Gulf of Oman be far
00:28:40.240enough standoff he has to just block the Gulf of Oman before it gets to the Arabian Sea and turn1.00
00:28:46.460back every ship don't let anybody come in and turn back every ship and don't let any of these dark0.81
00:28:51.900ships and don't let the Chinese Communist Party get their fuel because you got to give a wake-up0.97
00:28:56.960call to Xi because they also think they're on the winning side right now um you have argued I want
00:29:03.240should go with details we weren't there yet in fact you're saying hey the mining situation was
00:29:08.120very cloudy uh although it looked like there was no mines you sent the two arlie burk class i think
00:29:13.980destroyers through yesterday you kind of now have proven or at least proven i think
00:29:19.140to enough people that there's not really it hasn't been a big minefield laid um and now
00:29:25.140because of other things that we did uh to make sure that we could defang and declaw you can
00:29:31.760actually do a naval blockade. Is that your theory of the case here, is that it took a while
00:29:35.760for Admiral Cooper and the team at CENTCOM to do this, sir?
00:29:40.560Yes, that's exactly right. It's taken just over 40 days to be able to essentially roll back
00:29:47.440the Iranian's ability to have this coordinated ability to strike our naval forces off the coast0.88
00:29:56.240of Iran. And in order to do that, they had, you know, integration of national overhead systems,
00:30:03.360intelligence from satellites that's being fed to them from China and Russia. They have their own
00:30:08.240airborne surveillance platforms. They have their own ground-based surveillance platforms. They have
00:30:13.420their own command and control nodes that integrate the data, the targeting data that then is fed into
00:30:18.600their ballistic missiles. And we had to roll all of that back systematically and to destroy it.
00:30:25.400And the results of that have been that they have not been able to hit any of our ships, and our ships are much closer to the coast now than they were, and they have been unsuccessful.
00:30:35.500And I think it's important for people to remember because there's been a lot of, before this war, there's been a lot of talk, especially with regard to China, that, you know, the U.S. Navy's carrier fleet would be sunk in the first 15 minutes of any war.
00:30:47.780And what people really don't understand how hard it is to hit a ship at sea, a moving target with ballistic missiles and with actually hypersonic or supersonic cruise missiles.
00:30:58.840It's no easy feat. It takes a lot of geometry and a lot of accuracy.
00:31:03.000And then to get inside the bubbles of our carrier strike groups that have, you know, Aegis awareness, National Overhead System awareness, has, you know, systems that are designed to shoot down missiles before their missile even gets inside of our bubble to turn on their sensor to find out where we are in the final home game of the missile coming in.
00:31:23.780we can destroy the missile with the SM-6 before it even gets able to get an update on where it's
00:31:29.700at. We've disrupted their data links. We've disrupted their ability to help cue that
00:31:34.440missile to us. So we have rolled that back. And now we're in this position where we're able to
00:31:40.340effectively conduct a blockade. And oh, by the way, this break in the ceasefire has allowed us
00:31:46.160to refuel, to rearm, to get fresh food and vegetables to our sailors afloat. There's
00:31:52.320reports of ships gone down to diego to get new munitions or interceptors hang on hang on i agree
00:31:59.300with that that's exactly why the iranians are saying you can't trust the americans the americans
00:32:03.020want these ceasefires so they can restock and rearm and then at the other end of it come out
00:32:08.220and say hey guess what i think we're now that we're reharmed and restocked we're going to put
00:32:12.260a full blockade on from their perspective they kind of played into trump's i mean we've done
00:32:17.300this before and this is one of the things they keep arguing they have to have a regional shutdown
00:32:21.840because they don't trust us because we've used these situations, these stand downs to basically
00:32:28.200strengthen our forces and pour more forces into the area to then ratchet up the pressure on them.
00:32:33.080Correct? Correct. Which is to say what you're essentially saying is that they're operating
00:32:37.980from a position of extreme weakness. But as you also say, their attitude is that they're not
00:32:43.400defeated. That's the Iranian statement after the president posted his truth social about the
00:32:48.100blockade, here's what the Iranians said, quote, any wrong move in the Strait of Hormuz will trap
00:32:52.940the enemy in deadly whirlpools. That's pretty weak. What whirlpools? They're not going to be
00:32:57.960able to do anything there. And we're going to be able to blockade. And oh, by the way, there's even
00:33:01.900reports that China is preparing to send manpads into Iran. So, you know, if the Chinese think
00:33:08.140that they are not going to get any oil, but maybe they're going to supply Iran with, you know, kind
00:33:12.880of other weapons but they need to be on advisory notification that maybe those ships will be sunk
00:33:19.220as well i'm not sure the president will go there but that would i would advise him that that's
00:33:24.020something that we need to make sure the chinese know you don't think he will turn it well well
00:33:28.460but this is the point of it this is why naval blockade is a different animal right you're now0.95
00:33:32.860thrust upon the world stage i'm blockading uh the gulf of oman in the streets of her moves you don't
00:33:38.580think that you think that to me the purpose of it maybe i'm missing it the purpose of it he0.94
00:33:44.960understands that the chinese communist party are double dealing us as they've always done along
00:33:49.380with the pakistanis and the iranians and oh let me throw in there too our great allies in saudi
00:33:54.200arabia and qatar and uae in in tel aviv all of them are and they're they're doing what's best
00:34:00.760for them they could care what what is the best of the united states interest but you don't believe
00:34:05.960by stating we have a naval blockade that we're going to turn back the oil coming out of there
00:34:11.420from the regime to the Chinese Communist Party? What's the purpose of a blockade?
00:34:16.580Well, we'll probably do like we've done in previous things. We'll set up some kind of
00:34:20.780an area where we're going to quarantine those ships and just hold them at Anchorage0.98
00:34:26.160and not let them transit. We won't sink them. We won't let them go back in, but we won't let them0.81
00:34:32.180go anywhere else. And so there'll just be a bunch of ships sitting there. That's how a blockade
00:34:37.520effectively will work. And oh, by the way, we have one other carrier that left on the 31st of March,
00:34:42.980the George Bush. That's 12, 13 days ago. So we have three carriers that are going to be involved
00:34:48.920with this along with all the other air assets that we have. So we can do this. And the pressure
00:34:56.540is on NATO, the EU, our allies in Japan and Korea and Australia, how much more can they take? Are
00:35:04.540they just going to let this go and be closed forever? Maybe, maybe not. Hang on for a second,
00:35:11.560Eric Bolling, the guys you've talked to, these oil brokers and the refiners and all these guys
00:35:20.120that that are not speculators has has have they absorbed what president trump's actually done
00:35:27.040which is not just walking away from the table last night he's essentially putting a full blockade
00:35:32.600or i would say a quarantine on anything coming in or out sir it's a brilliant strategy actually i
00:35:40.620think this is the one that may have teeth the problem is these guys won't believe until they
00:35:46.440see it, right? And I think what we're missing here is that just by blockading the mouth of
00:35:53.240Oman into the Strait of Hormuz, eventually China and India are going to have enough of it and lean0.92
00:35:58.440into Iran and say, we need to get this oil through, and they'll be the ones who facilitate some sort0.87
00:36:03.580of negotiation. Again, I throw back at you, Steve, you're the political guru here. What are we asking
00:36:10.600for right now? In other words, we're going to blockade the oil, which was a brilliant strategy
00:36:15.420is I think our U.S. oil will probably regulate in the $100 a barrel area, which is horrible,
00:36:21.500but better than the outlook is right now. The Middle Eastern crudes are going to explode higher
00:36:26.440because you can't get them, and the rents are going to explode higher. So what are we asking
00:36:30.380for? So we're going to blockade this oil, which is great. We'll be fine here. We don't need the
00:36:34.420oil. So great. But is it regime change? Is it obliteration of their ability to deliver a nuke?
00:36:41.760If I take one step further, Captain Fadis read part of the Iranian statement coming out of that meeting.
00:36:47.480If I may just, Steve, for a second, this is the IRGC within minutes of Vance leaving, which means this was in advance of – this was prepared in advance of Vance leaving.0.61
00:36:56.400The American enemy, which is vile, wicked, and dishonest, or perfidious, evil, and deceitful, attempted to achieve on the negotiating table what it could not achieve through war.
00:37:06.220Iran has decided to reject these terms and continue the sacred defense of its fatherland0.88
00:37:11.760by any means necessary, military, diplomatic, meaning they will fight to the death.
00:41:32.520Understand the capital markets part of this equation.
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00:41:41.160is up free too but talk to philip patrick on team uh our next two guests sam faddis and trita
00:41:47.040parsi have done i think a very good job of uh describing not just who the enemy is but their
00:41:52.020mindset they come at it from two different angles sam faddis you spent a couple decades your life
00:41:57.780in service to your country dealing with these guys you know how tough they are how radical they are
00:42:06.060how they uh many of them aspired to this radical uh islamic theocracy this this martyrdom uh cult
00:42:14.280uh you we talked a lot about this last week you were not surprised at all of what happened in
00:42:22.820islamabad right and you particularly not surprised about their their dug-in positions and the fact0.53
00:42:30.240that they kind of gave us the middle finger when it was over and instead of you know somehow we've0.93
00:42:35.260had the first meeting and, you know, it's the, the, the, the,
00:42:38.340the revolutionary guard could not have been more brutal and up in our grill
00:42:42.800about what they thought of the United States of America,
00:42:45.580what they think of our military, what they think of the American people,
00:42:48.620what they think of, of, of, of what we stand for, sir.
00:42:54.880Yeah, obviously I'm not surprised at all. Um,
00:42:59.520that's, that's exactly what I think I said was going to happen. Um,
00:43:04.300Look, these guys are not defeated. We keep talking about all the targets we've hit and all of this, and God bless the United States Armed Forces. I mean that sincerely. I come from a military family. They're doing what they were told to do. It doesn't change the fact that we have not defeated these guys.
00:43:21.580It's not just like they don't get it yet. They just need to go away and realize we won, that we have not won. So I'm all about the blockade. I mean, I've been recommending that as well for a long time. Let's leverage our strengths. Let's fight smart. We own the oceans. Seal it off.
00:43:41.680It's not enough. And also, it doesn't account for the fact that since they have not quit, and aren't anywhere close to quitting, they're going to respond.
00:43:55.700So they're not just going to sit there and say, you blockaded the Gulf, and I guess we lose now.
00:44:03.300They're going to start playing all the cards they have on their side.
00:44:07.280They already hit the pipeline across Saudi Arabia at least once and temporarily disrupted it.
00:44:14.260It's repaired now. That's the lifeline now for Saudi.
00:44:17.600You can guarantee that they're going to do everything they can to take out that pipeline.
00:44:22.960And they're going to start hitting production facilities.
00:44:25.040And they're going to start hitting the plants that turn seawater into drinking water for 100 million people.
00:44:30.760And they're going to start at some point turning on their proxies in a big way worldwide against us and our allies.
00:44:40.000So that's not me saying we lose, not at all.
00:44:43.240It's just let's not wait till that happens and then figure out how to respond.
00:44:49.280Let's move right now to prevent them from doing that.
00:44:54.800And by the way, we're sealing off the Gulf.
00:45:54.320One of the biggest negotiating points was we need access to that $27 billion, and somehow you've got to give us sanctions relief.
00:46:01.280Besson's economic warfare in January, folks, was working.
00:46:06.100Now, it does have implications against the dollar because people say, I've got to get off of this thing.
00:46:10.420I can't let Trump and his madmen choke us down with the SWIFT system and the fact that they got access to all the dollar-denominated assets in the world.
00:46:20.500but it was the economic destroying their currency is what drove those people into the streets of
00:46:26.380which 30,000 were then slaughtered but there's no doubt the economic warfare part that a naval
00:46:31.700blockade Sam do you agree is is the instrument of economic warfare from time immemorial this
00:46:39.120you put a quarantine on somebody this is the Brits perfected this sir yeah look you're 100% right I
00:46:46.060I mean, we are now finally psychologically moving to the part of this where we fight smart and we use our leverage against their weakness instead of just being wedded to we're just going to bomb things.
00:47:07.760But we have all kinds of other capabilities here.
00:47:10.480I mean, this is a much more productive, smarter, more strategic way of approaching than where we were a few weeks ago when people were feeling locked into, we got to start landing Marines on Iranian soil.