Bannon's War Room - April 13, 2026


Episode 5297： Off Ramp For The Iran War; Immigration Protests Continue In Ireland


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Learn English with Stephen Hawking. Stephen Hawking breaks down the results of the recent election in Hungary and the impact on the world at large. He also talks about the Iran deal and the implications for the future of the Middle East and the world.

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00:00:00.280 We can't let a country blackmail or extort the world, because that's what they're doing.
00:00:07.760 They're really blackmailing the world. We're not going to let that happen.
00:00:11.040 And, you know, the amazing thing is we don't, can you believe this?
00:00:15.240 We don't use this trade. We don't need this trade.
00:00:17.080 We have our own oil and gas, much more than we need.
00:00:20.180 We have more oil and gas than Saudi Arabia.
00:00:23.100 Think of this. We produce more Saudi Arabia and add Russia to it substantially more.
00:00:29.280 And by next year, we'll have double that amount.
00:00:32.200 So we don't need it, but the world needs it.
00:00:35.200 And many ships are heading to our country right now, as we speak, to load up with the best.
00:00:42.200 Really, I guess you could say somebody said the best and sweetest.
00:00:45.480 I don't know exactly what sweet is, but when it relates to oil, it's a good thing.
00:00:50.120 But they're coming to our country right now.
00:00:52.480 There are many boats coming to our country.
00:00:54.060 Now, it could very well be this is going to be settled before that.
00:00:57.200 We've been called this morning by the right people, the appropriate people, and they want to work a deal.
00:01:04.360 I spoke yesterday with Vice President J.D. Vance.
00:01:09.120 He called me from his plane on the way back from Washington.
00:01:13.860 He reported to me in detail, as the people of this administration do every day, on the development of the negotiations.
00:01:20.660 In this case, the explosion in the negotiations. The explosion came from the American side,
00:01:28.140 which was not willing to tolerate the blatant violation of the agreement to enter negotiations
00:01:32.720 by Iran. Essentially, the agreement was that there would be a ceasefire and Iran would
00:01:37.240 immediately open the crossings. They didn't do that. The Americans were not willing to accept it.
00:01:43.580 He also conveyed to me that the central issue on the table from the perspective of President Trump
00:01:48.800 and the United States as the removal of all enriched material and ensuring that there is
00:01:53.480 no more enrichment in the coming years. And this could be for decades.
00:01:58.520 To many Europeans, Orban represented the erosion of democracy and the elevation of a strongman 0.85
00:02:03.900 autocrat leader. To researchers, Hungary became a place to study democratic backsliding and rising
00:02:09.280 authoritarianism. To American conservatives in recent years, Hungary has been a place to celebrate. 0.94
00:02:13.720 It's been a place, a symbol of what they call populism, nationalism, and Christian values.
00:02:19.340 J.D. Vance was just there campaigning to keep Orban in power.
00:02:22.380 This morning, Donald Trump Jr. tweeted encouraging Hungarians to keep Orban in power.
00:02:27.500 So this is going to have shockwaves all around the world.
00:02:31.740 I've written quite a bit about Orbanism, the idea in Hungary of state capture of the media,
00:02:37.460 control of other institutions, and yes, some of the corruption that has followed.
00:02:41.600 And corruption is a big theme in the news coverage out of Hungary tonight.
00:02:46.020 The idea that voters there are rejecting perceived corruption from the government that
00:02:50.660 Orban was leading.
00:02:51.460 And, you know, we're seeing American figures like Hillary Clinton celebrating Orban's fall.
00:02:56.240 Clinton writing on social media tonight, the end of Orban's autocratic regime is a victory
00:03:00.680 for people who value democracy around the world.
00:03:03.300 Now, you can imagine she will say exactly the same thing if a Democrat wins in the U.S.
00:03:08.760 in 2020.
00:03:09.580 That's right.
00:03:10.160 They really come out onto the streets of Budapest to celebrate.
00:03:13.680 These are TISA supporters who understand now not only that Peter Magyar has won the election,
00:03:18.940 becoming the new Hungarian prime minister,
00:03:21.280 but also that the TISA party has achieved the two-thirds majority in the parliament,
00:03:26.860 giving it that supermajority that Peter Magyar had promised he would use to return the rule of law to Hungary.
00:03:34.540 And as you can see, a lot of celebrations going on here in Budapest.
00:03:37.400 there we've heard we've spoken to young young people sort of in their 20s who've told us look
00:03:42.560 victor orban had been uh in government in power practically all of our lives they can't quite
00:03:49.280 believe that it's finished and i think one of the most surprising things and what's at the heart of
00:03:54.460 some of this disbelief here on the streets tonight and all of this enthusiasm it's the fact that
00:03:58.960 that victor orban conceded as quickly and as easily as he did and i think the theory is that
00:04:05.220 And it's proven such a landslide for Peter Magyar that really the numbers were simply against him and it was the only thing that he could do.
00:04:13.560 So a fair amount of disbelief, a lot of joy, a great deal of excitement.
00:04:18.900 We've watched the growing men leading this party crying, hugging each other earlier on down by the Danube where they were holding their celebrations.
00:04:28.300 But as you can see, it is all of Budapest, really, that has come out now to show their support, their enthusiasm and a certain disbelief that this has actually happened in such a dramatic way.
00:04:43.040 The figures really are quite astonishing.
00:04:44.840 We've watched parliamentary seat after parliamentary seat held by some of the founders of Viktor Orban's party, Fidesz, people who've been European commissioners, people who are ministers, lose their seats.
00:04:55.280 So it is an extraordinary landslide tonight for Tsitsa.
00:05:01.280 This is the primal scream of a dying regime. 0.95
00:05:06.280 Pray for our enemies.
00:05:08.280 Because we're going medieval on these people.
00:05:11.280 You've just not got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:05:15.280 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:05:17.280 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:05:19.280 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
00:05:21.280 It's going to happen.
00:05:23.280 And where do people like that go to share the big line?
00:05:26.600 MAGA Media.
00:05:27.940 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:05:33.380 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:05:37.140 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:05:43.340 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:05:46.780 welcome to the war room it's monday april 13th in the year of our lord 2026 natalie winters
00:05:57.360 hosting today but of course we always have packed shows for you but especially packed when the news
00:06:02.320 cycle is uh raging on all cylinders as it is today thought kurt mills dr bradley thayer sam
00:06:10.860 fattest and we're going to go from iran to china what's going on in ireland but real quick i just
00:06:16.800 want to make a very significant point with everything that is going on in hungary you're
00:06:21.860 seeing the media embrace this story non-stop 24 7 coverage this idea that orban really is sort of
00:06:28.780 president trump a few years from now you guys know norm eisen all of the color revolution
00:06:34.160 apparatchiks and extraordinaires that we've spent a lot of time covering on this show uh chapter
00:06:40.260 and verse when you read their literature though you know calling them probably blueprints for
00:06:44.600 revolution and guidebooks handbooks uh for tactical protests is a more accurate term
00:06:50.580 they've always referred to this concept of democratic backsliding using orban as a perfect
00:06:56.380 example of president trump on steroids so the fact that they're gravitating so strongly to this is
00:07:02.260 not just frankly evidence of their kind of confirmation bias they want to say oh look
00:07:06.360 autocrats you know authoritarianism take your pick of however they want to spin it it's not
00:07:11.660 popular right it just suffered a massive defeat so that's why you're seeing this non-stop coverage
00:07:15.880 otherwise they wouldn't even care um but just i think that's important framing i want to bring
00:07:21.620 in kurt mill as usually we go all things are on but before we pivot there i would love to just get
00:07:26.680 your thoughts on what went down in hungary with orban losing the election the kind of you know
00:07:32.020 compounding influencing factors, but also just in general, the Western media is almost like
00:07:36.480 gleeful obsession with it. Yeah, I think number one, 16 years is a long time. And, you know,
00:07:42.920 it's an anti-incumbent mood globally, I would say, in most democracies. And Hungary, despite all the
00:07:48.060 gnashing and wailing of teeth to the contrary, is democracy. Obviously, the man conceded
00:07:54.420 immediately in a free and fair election was held. I think the Iran war is bad for the right wing
00:08:01.780 in Europe. Fuel prices are being attributed to Benjamin Netanyahu, President Trump, and
00:08:08.500 the hawks in the United States. And I think Orban suffered. I think additionally, Orban's
00:08:14.820 rule of Hungary, while interesting, also lapsed into corruption. And corruption is a bipartisan,
00:08:24.120 non-ideological problem when it gets too bad. And so something obviously Republicans should
00:08:29.140 look out for heading into the rest of the 2020s. Well, and speaking of polls, maybe we can start
00:08:35.540 our Iran discussion there. But there's been some, I think, concerning polls. We know we don't believe
00:08:41.060 the polls here in the war, but directionally, I think concerning for the president, particularly
00:08:45.960 among, you know, white working class voters, especially younger voters. Can you sort of give
00:08:50.320 us your assessment of the battlefield when it comes to those recent polls? Yeah, no, I think
00:08:55.860 the iran war is problematic on on two axes number one the fulcrum of trump's support um the the white
00:09:01.260 working class this sort of you know again uh trump can can highlight and his allies and the hawks can
00:09:06.620 highlight uh their support among republicans all they like but the reality is donald trump became
00:09:11.700 president because he assembled a unique coalition a bunch of people who either didn't vote or
00:09:16.660 actually frankly voted third party in the past uh voted for barack obama donald trump trump himself
00:09:22.520 not a career Republican. This is somebody who promised a turn of the page from the Reagan and
00:09:28.120 Bush years. And so to see the sort of, you know, that's how he attracted the white working class,
00:09:33.240 how he attracted the Rust Belt voter, the voter that didn't finish college, to see that collapse
00:09:39.400 of support is a concern. And then secondarily, how did he come back to power? Young voters,
00:09:44.200 enough young voters, which seemed unimaginable in 2019, 2020, 2021, they are disgusted by the 0.99
00:09:51.440 Iran war and justifiably so. And so this is just, you know, presidents always think they can do a 0.97
00:09:57.120 lot. And I think the reality is they can only do a few things. And Donald Trump, the president,
00:10:01.980 is unfortunately sacrificing a ton of political capital to get Israel's war on Iran done.
00:10:08.220 And I just I urge him to at minimum walk away from this.
00:10:13.480 Walk us through a little more on on the why. It seems like President Trump almost
00:10:18.040 knows that this is not the most, you know, politically powerful thing to do. I think
00:10:22.280 he's admitted that in press gaggles. But do you think this is a function, for example,
00:10:25.860 some polls have shown that it's really more the variable of time, right? He would enjoy
00:10:30.000 four to eight weeks of support if something was successful and we got up quickly.
00:10:34.280 But if it drags on, then you start to hemorrhage support. If it's something where we're
00:10:37.940 discussing boots on the ground or other tactics that are, you know, a little less
00:10:42.100 popular, is it a function of age? What do you think is, or is it just that
00:10:47.880 this is fundamentally, in your perspective, irreconcilable with the promises that were
00:10:53.700 made on the campaign trail? Yeah, the Iran war is irreconcilable with the promises made on the
00:10:59.540 campaign trail. But I think not to go back to the campaign trail, actually, I think the concern here
00:11:06.300 is that the management of this crisis is actually COVID-esque. I mean, it started the exact same
00:11:11.600 time of year, late February, early March, and the promises were we would be home by Easter.
00:11:16.020 You know, we're already past this.
00:11:18.500 And I think it's just, you know, week after week after week, this is just dragging on.
00:11:22.860 And as you remember, Natalie, in 2020, yeah, the president did other things, including
00:11:26.880 the Abraham Accords, which I think sowed the seeds for this conflict today.
00:11:30.980 Only thing people could focus on, only people could remember was COVID.
00:11:34.920 And I think economically, if the war drags on, it's going to have actual similar economic
00:11:40.540 effects heading into the summer.
00:11:42.500 A war that goes until July is one thing, another war that goes until, let's say, six months, as long as the 1973 war for Israel.
00:11:51.440 That's another thing.
00:11:52.780 And I think this is what is going to be on voters' minds.
00:11:58.920 And gas is already above $4 a gallon average in the United States, approaching $10 in places like San Francisco and L.A.
00:12:05.680 If it gets above $5, I think you're going to see the bond markets revolt.
00:12:09.700 And we'll see what Scott Bessett and others in the administration, what their stomach is for a conflict there. 0.61
00:12:15.500 But again, I think, you know, there is a very sustainable way to handle the Iranian nuclear threat. 0.59
00:12:21.580 You can get a better deal than Barack Obama ever got in the 2010s, even now. 0.92
00:12:26.640 And America can come home and focus on the domestic ruin that the president pledged and promised over 10 years to rectify.
00:12:36.980 So what do you think a feasible off-ramp looks like?
00:12:41.940 And what do you think are some of the potential obstructions that we could see come up in
00:12:45.720 the way that'll make it less likely that those actually materialize?
00:12:49.240 Yeah, in my assessment, I think the Iranians would accept one of two deals. 0.96
00:12:53.120 Deal number one, you give them control of the Strait of Hormuz. 0.99
00:12:56.960 I know that sounds scary, but basically they've telegraphed what they want, which is basically
00:13:02.960 a dollar per every barrel of oil that goes through the Strait of Hormuz as an economic
00:13:07.820 relief to rebuild their country, given that we are allowing vacillations in the price
00:13:12.180 of crude in the 10s, 20s, 30s, 40s, with wind one week, at times $1 on a $100 barrel of
00:13:20.660 oil is not that big of a deal.
00:13:22.480 Or I think we can reopen Strait of Hormuz and accept the nuclear enrichment level 1,
00:13:28.080 two, three percent, even potentially a pause throughout Donald Trump's term and just allow
00:13:33.380 them to have the right, in theory, to enrichment, that is still better than JCPOA.
00:13:38.520 And I think there is a willful conflation among hawks in the administration, and I'll
00:13:43.740 just say it, among the Israelis, of no nuclear enrichment and no nuclear weapon.
00:13:48.340 Just for your audience, as I can understand, the Iranians are nowhere near, at this point,
00:13:53.820 nuclear weapons great. 1.00
00:13:55.280 They would need 90 percent.
00:13:56.600 So the kind of deal that we're talking here is one, two, three percent.
00:14:00.020 It's a pittance.
00:14:01.140 It allows them to, you know, say that they weren't humiliated to their own people and
00:14:05.840 it allows them that option if they wanted to quickly, you know, lunge for a bomb.
00:14:09.140 They don't dismantle all of their material.
00:14:11.480 It's not perfect. 0.98
00:14:12.420 But the Islamic Republic isn't perfect.
00:14:14.080 And the reality is there's a lot of problems in the world.
00:14:16.700 And we don't, you know, the 2024 election, the 2016 election wasn't waged on Iran. 0.60
00:14:23.240 The Iran-Hawk crusade is a fanatic movement.
00:14:26.100 It's a radical movement within Washington, D.C., and elite corridors of power, and it
00:14:30.480 should be rejected.
00:14:32.660 If you can hang with us through the break, I've got a few more questions I want.
00:14:36.360 Then we got Dr. Thayer, Sam Faddis.
00:14:39.580 Don't go anywhere.
00:14:40.280 We got the PACT show and some good cold opens, although when I say good, they might make
00:14:45.300 you trigger.
00:14:45.920 So I guess I'll give you a true warning in advance.
00:14:48.840 We'll be right back after this short break.
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00:16:52.440 We still have Kurt with us from the American Conservative.
00:16:55.140 Kurt, before I let you go, your latest thoughts on everything going on at the Strait of Hormuz,
00:17:01.260 what you think the future of that very important pathway looks like in the near term and long term? 0.99
00:17:07.960 Look, it's entirely possible the Iranians maintain control of it. 1.00
00:17:11.960 This is, I think we poked the bear. 1.00
00:17:14.220 I think this is something the administration should have taken more seriously, the fact that they would be able to easily close the strait.
00:17:20.260 There's going to be an attempted blockade on a blockade. 0.79
00:17:23.280 But the reality is, I think that the Chinese are going to cash in their chips with President Trump and complain about it. 0.87
00:17:29.900 And so I don't know what the long term there is. 0.71
00:17:33.240 The blockade has been championed by sort of uber hawks such as John Bolton.
00:17:38.540 But the reality is that the president isn't John Bolton.
00:17:40.920 He is not a doctrinaire, Ron Hawke.
00:17:43.120 This is not someone I don't believe who wants to use every last scintilla of his political capital to do a regime change war for Israel.
00:17:52.120 And so I think you're going to see another half measure.
00:17:54.460 But the problem with half measures is they often don't solve anything.
00:17:57.520 And so I still believe that the president should either just walk away now. 1.00
00:18:01.880 That is not the worst outcome possible or do a responsible deal with the Iranians. 0.94
00:18:07.800 There's mixed reporting about whether or not the negotiating table is still open, whether or not they're going to resume talks in Islamabad or Geneva or Vienna later this week. 0.91
00:18:17.380 We shall see. There's a ton of smoke and mirrors on that, even more than normal.
00:18:23.300 But I urge the administration to make a deal. 0.87
00:18:26.000 You can still get a better deal than JCPOA, better than the Obama-Iran deal, and that's much better than an Iran war. 0.82
00:18:32.500 I think it's pretty simple.
00:18:33.300 if people want to read the magazine stay up to date with everything you're working on where
00:18:38.180 can they go to do that yeah so the magazine was founded in 2002 by pappy cannon and friends
00:18:42.740 against the iraq war it's www.theamericanconservative.com my own personal work is
00:18:48.760 at c-u-r-t-m-i-l-l-s on x and we're doing our best against uh i think what is a highly
00:18:55.260 misguided and potentially ruinous iran war thank you natalie thank you so much for joining we'll
00:19:01.300 have you back on soon just in full meltdown in ireland uh people are protesting the radical left
00:19:12.380 government i want to play a clip from there before we bring on our next guest uh dr bradley
00:19:17.260 they are also getting into china i guess uh kurt beat me to it um but let's play that clip real
00:19:22.160 quick just to give the audience a sense of what's going on see the tractors see the haulers and you
00:19:27.400 see all the people this shows right
00:19:32.760 who the people stand with and it's not with the government get that smelly
00:19:40.780 mr burns looking out of office now
00:19:44.160 dr fair i want to bring you on help us understand what what we're seeing and what it means kind of
00:19:54.080 here at home, but also if it's related to what's going on in the Middle East. Give us your
00:19:58.720 assessment. Well, Natalie, great to join you. It is related to the Middle East. Rising fuel prices
00:20:05.600 provoked a reaction in Ireland among drivers and farmers, everyone who's using, of course,
00:20:11.880 fuel intensively. Last Tuesday, really, protests started again by the drivers and by farmers,
00:20:20.020 And that's escalated through the weekend where the individuals are using their trucks and farm equipment to cause road closures and slowdown on many of Ireland's motorways, as well as O'Connell Street in Dublin, of course, one of the most famous streets there, historic street. 0.93
00:20:44.160 This is being driven not really by the high fuel cost, but it's caused by immigration. 0.92
00:20:51.400 Most folks don't know that over one out of five people living in Ireland is not native-born, 0.96
00:21:00.640 is a foreigner living in Ireland.
00:21:02.780 And more accurate estimates are that one out of four people living in Ireland actually
00:21:09.160 fits that category.
00:21:10.320 So you've seen incredible population change in the Emerald Isles over the last 15 years or so.
00:21:19.000 And that is all sorts of ancillary effects, right?
00:21:23.300 The lack of housing, which upsets so many individuals.
00:21:26.720 They're not able to buy a home because they aren't available. 1.00
00:21:30.300 Or they're given to migrants, as they're called. 0.99
00:21:34.560 Or they're given to the equivalent of H-1B workers. 0.65
00:21:38.380 This is going to accelerate as a result of the EU's agreement reached in January with India, where the EU is going to facilitate more Indians moving to Europe. 0.64
00:21:51.280 Many of those, of course, are going to go to Ireland, which has lax immigration policies and you've got good, easy access to the UK.
00:21:59.440 So these protests are driven by by immigration fundamentally, and it really illuminates the problem.
00:22:07.140 You have an earthquake in Ireland, essentially, with these protests, and you have on the other
00:22:12.020 end of the continent in Hungary, really another earthquake with Orban's defeat, and it illustrates
00:22:18.960 a fundamental problem with states in the EU.
00:22:22.360 The Irish case illustrates that you can have a popular protest, you can have popular uprising,
00:22:29.360 grassroots level, but it's very difficult to connect to any political change, of course,
00:22:34.720 because the political parties across the board, the major political parties are all in the EU
00:22:40.220 camp, right? They're all bought and paid for by the European Union. So the elite aren't going to
00:22:46.040 tolerate. They're not going to allow any change. You've got a big disconnect then between what's
00:22:50.800 happening at the grassroots, where people want change, and the elite who put their fingers in
00:22:57.800 their ears and pretend they can't hear and are just going to ride out or attempt to ride out
00:23:04.060 the protest there'll be a no confidence motion tomorrow tuesday uh in the dale and so what we 0.99
00:23:10.820 would expect of course is perhaps the government's going to fall but that's twiddly dumb and twiddly 0.79
00:23:15.900 d you're going to replace one uh pro-eu government with another with orban's election you see the 0.87
00:23:24.080 reverse where you did have in fact a popular leader was elected victor orban of course for
00:23:30.000 16 years in power. But the EU, when hammered tongs at him, every year he was attacked as being
00:23:39.760 anti-democratic, of course. We're familiar, of course, with all the slurs, the defamation that
00:23:45.460 was directed his way. So you have a different set of problems there, that even if you are able to
00:23:53.560 elect a populist, he's isolated by the EU. And ultimately, they're greatly celebrating his
00:24:00.680 defeat, as the cold open demonstrated. So big problems in the EU with the democratic deficit,
00:24:07.640 right? You have an EU which is fundamentally anti-democratic, and it's going to use its might
00:24:15.060 either to ignore or to crush, undermine protestors in Ireland, or in the case of Hungary,
00:24:21.940 isolate that leader in an effort to do their utmost to get rid of them, of course, as they
00:24:29.860 did this weekend. So a lot of unrest in the continent. And guess what's to blame? Brussels
00:24:35.520 is to blame in their policies of endless immigration, right? The fact that the 11th 0.86
00:24:41.140 commandment is that you can never have too many immigrants. And that's the answer to all of the 1.00
00:24:46.240 problems that the EU faces is to bring in more and more immigrants, facilitating, of course, 1.00
00:24:53.440 the decline of Western civilization, which isn't theirs to destroy, of course, belongs to all of us. 1.00
00:25:01.920 So big problems in Europe and Ireland and Hungary are demonstrating some of the depth of that
00:25:09.940 problem. I'm curious your thoughts on the projections of how what is going down in Iran
00:25:15.680 and surrounding countries could potentially trigger a whole new, probably considerably
00:25:20.460 more sizable refugee wave into Europe, certainly, hopefully not the United States.
00:25:25.720 But do you think that that has the potential to exacerbate what you're talking about even
00:25:29.140 more?
00:25:30.780 Yeah, certainly.
00:25:31.380 And Natalie, you called attention to this weeks ago when you recognized, of course,
00:25:36.920 that one of the consequences of this war is that there will be migrant flows, or likely
00:25:42.740 to be in the case of the Iran war, where Afghan refugees living in Iran and Iranians themselves
00:25:48.420 are going to make their way to Europe, to Canada, to Australia. And folks don't really know the
00:25:55.820 depth of the problem. You know, that about one out of every three people living in Australia
00:26:00.320 is foreign. Folks don't realize that when they think of Australia. But that's the case. About
00:26:07.380 one out of five people living in Canada is foreign-born. So you're seeing rapid change.
00:26:14.740 The conflict in Iran is going to drive that as it reaches, of course, its conclusion.
00:26:20.940 And you're going to see folks leaving, refugees leaving Iran, in addition to those,
00:26:28.160 obviously, who can come continuously from Afghanistan, from Iraq, Syria, and elsewhere.
00:26:35.920 obviously, Africa as well. And that's, of course, by design. The EU wants that,
00:26:44.380 they're facilitating that, and they're doing their utmost, again, to bring about rapid
00:26:51.400 population change on that continent, as the Canadian government is, as the Australian
00:26:56.420 government is as well, which, thankfully, in the US, President Trump has largely stopped that, 1.00
00:27:04.680 although not wholly stopped that, of course, with H-1Bs, but still far better in the US
00:27:10.980 than it was obviously under the Biden administration. So the popular protests in
00:27:16.480 Ireland, we should expect that's going to continue and you're going to have versions of that break 1.00
00:27:23.740 out, of course, throughout Europe as immigrants continue to flow into that continent without end. 0.96
00:27:32.740 and as people recognize uh as they have uh brussels doesn't care right that's uh that's the design 0.99
00:27:41.300 that's the intent uh so uh the democratic deficit in the eu is massive uh and and uh getting worse
00:27:49.700 dr thayer if you can hang with us through the break i want to get your thoughts on the kind of
00:27:55.960 china macro level everything going on in iran plus i got sam faddis or impasse you know what
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00:30:17.600 As far as China is concerned, China can send their ships to us.
00:30:21.840 China can send their ships to Venezuela.
00:30:23.820 We told them, buy from Venezuela.
00:30:26.260 We have a lot of overcapacity. 1.00
00:30:28.380 We'd sell them, and we'll probably sell it for even less money.
00:30:31.900 I have a very good relationship with President Xi of China.
00:30:35.400 We work together very well.
00:30:36.940 They're paying us substantial money, as you know.
00:30:40.240 We've never got money before.
00:30:42.240 You know, I listened to this Gordon Chang.
00:30:43.900 He has no idea what he's talking about.
00:30:45.580 We have been very tough on China. 1.00
00:30:47.520 Tough but fair.
00:30:48.280 and uh you know it's an amazing place but i have a very good relationship with china and they've
00:30:54.960 been doing my you know i put tremendous tariffs i put a hundred percent tariff on all chinese cars 0.94
00:31:01.220 coming in and that's destroying europe they're destroying europe because they're taking away
00:31:05.800 so much business from mercedes and bmw etc and we don't have any chinese cars in our country because
00:31:12.640 they would have destroyed general motors ford they would have destroyed these companies if they did 1.00
00:31:18.520 So I put 100 percent tariff on.
00:31:20.560 And in all fairness to Biden, he allowed it to stay on, which is shocking to me.
00:31:24.240 It's one of the things.
00:31:25.160 It's about the only thing he did good, but he allowed it to stay.
00:31:27.620 So we don't have the problem that they have.
00:31:30.260 You know, they're having tremendous economic.
00:31:33.040 You're back in the war room.
00:31:35.480 Dr. Thayer, I want to bring you in on that.
00:31:37.120 That's obviously just one very small part of everything that's going on with what is,
00:31:41.400 I think, a new conception of spheres of influence as the United States sort of regressing
00:31:47.240 in the regions that they're focusing on. I think you can see it in the realignment and orientation
00:31:52.800 of virtually all of our military right out of the Indo-Pacific. But I'm curious to get your
00:31:59.260 sort of nuanced perspective on how what is going down in Iran is kind of impacting PRC leadership,
00:32:06.960 their thought calculus back at home when it comes to things that are probably more critical and
00:32:12.420 crucial to them, things like Taiwan, their just conception of, you know, American power,
00:32:18.260 the geopolitical realignment. What's your sort of bird's eye view?
00:32:23.200 Well, Natalie, it's a great question. To my mind, this gets down to deterrence. We don't want
00:32:30.100 communist China to aggress against Taiwan. And deterrence is a function of political
00:32:37.000 considerations and military capabilities. The political considerations, to some degree,
00:32:43.620 have been helped by Iran, right? What has PRC leadership seen? They've seen President Trump
00:32:49.520 use force, Venezuela, Nigeria, of course, in the course of since he's returned to office.
00:32:57.660 In Syria, President Trump is willing to employ U.S. military power globally. The Venezuelas,
00:33:06.120 of course, potentially Cuba as well. And President Trump, of course, is an individual who wants to
00:33:16.340 maximize his freedom of action, his opportunities, and doesn't make him predictable in all circumstances.
00:33:22.800 That feeds into the political considerations about deterrence. That's positive for thinking
00:33:30.240 through what we need to do to deter communist China from attacking Taiwan. On the debit side
00:33:37.080 of the ledger, of course, conventional deterrence depends on capabilities, a defense industrial base
00:33:43.800 that can produce the weaponry that we need to have to have a robust conventional deterrent
00:33:49.720 in the Indo-Pacific, in Japan, South Korea, in the Philippines, in the waters surrounding Taiwan.
00:33:57.080 And that arsenal is being used up. A lot of it is being consumed, of course, in the war with Iran.
00:34:05.800 So the U.S. military presence in the Indo-Pacific is not ideal from the standpoint of having a robust conventional deterrent to keep China, communist China, from attacking Taiwan.
00:34:19.160 We would like a defense industrial base that can produce weaponry in the size and scope that we need to have all of the time, whether that's the ships and the submarines, the aircraft, but the weapon systems themselves that we need so that if communist China is thinking about attacking Taiwan, they look at the size really of the U.S. arsenal and its deployment.
00:34:44.280 and I think not today. We're not going to do this today because the U.S. has got too much power
00:34:49.820 in the region. So Iran, the CENTCOM, essentially orientation of so much of the U.S. military 0.82
00:34:58.460 remains and the military capabilities with respect to deterring an attack on Taiwan are not ideal
00:35:06.460 from the standpoint of a robust conventional deterrent. In the Cold War, we solved that by
00:35:12.600 having tactical nuclear weapons and theater nuclear weapons, as well as strategic nuclear
00:35:17.400 weapons. In the post-Cold War period, we greatly reduced our tactical nuclear weapons and
00:35:23.240 essentially eliminated our theater nuclear capabilities and even drawn out our strategic
00:35:29.480 forces. So a lot needs to be done at the nuclear level, too, in terms of our strategic forces,
00:35:35.320 increasing tactical nuclear capabilities and returning theater nuclear forces so that we can 0.87
00:35:41.500 ensure that not only can we meet an invasion with conventional forces, but if communist China
00:35:47.440 escalated, we'd be able to meet them at any level up the escalation rung, whether it be tactical
00:35:52.860 nuclear weapons or theater or, heaven forbid, strategic. So there's a lot of work that we need
00:35:58.800 to do. And Iran is illuminating some of the problems that we have. China's also looking at
00:36:06.260 what's going on in Iran and looking at some of the vulnerabilities that we have, how we use force,
00:36:12.680 and I'm sure they're learning lessons from the conflict as well.
00:36:19.040 Dr. Thayer, we always appreciate having you in the war room. If people want to read all of your
00:36:24.840 work, stay up to date with everything you're posting, I see you've got a profile picture.
00:36:29.000 We're still working on getting a banner picture on your Twitter, but where can people go to follow
00:36:34.640 you. Natalie, you've worked on me for years on that. I'm a hard case, I suppose. But great to
00:36:43.380 join you. I'm at Brad Theron X and Bradley Theron Getter and Truth. Thanks very much, Natalie.
00:36:48.280 Thank you, Dr. Theron. I think the other key point here is a lot of the right technological
00:36:54.760 advantages that we have against the Chinese Communist Party in certain countries where 0.91
00:36:58.980 we're going and doing these military excursions, right? Venezuela, where they use Chinese air 0.81
00:37:02.800 defense we were able to go in unscathed but then all of a sudden you see you know certain anomalies
00:37:08.340 going on in iran which also uses chinese air defense systems were you know hemorrhaging and
00:37:13.140 sort of giving away a lot of i think you know tactics covert over otherwise um that would
00:37:19.320 matter a lot more i think if we were to see escalated confrontation in a kinetic style
00:37:23.480 um with china whether it be taiwan or who knows where um i want to bring sam faddis on partly to
00:37:31.260 to talk about that feel free to pick up where i left off with dr taylor on the china front but
00:37:34.980 i'm curious your thoughts too on sort of this story we've seen i like how the legacy media
00:37:41.500 was treating it like it was this huge thing that nobody knew that you know china has been like
00:37:45.380 arming iran and sending them weapons it's like wow their entire drone infrastructure and ecosystem 0.83
00:37:49.920 it's basically uh founded if not buttressed by uh you know chinese communist party and hong kong 0.52
00:37:56.160 linked entities. But your thoughts on the sort of nexus there, and just in general, what we're
00:38:02.220 seeing go down? Well, I mean, look, the Chinese have been in bed with the Iranians for a long
00:38:10.260 time, and they assist them in all sorts of ways and have for a very long time. And look, 0.70
00:38:17.460 they're going to continue to assist them throughout this crisis. At every opportunity
00:38:24.760 they get, understanding that, you know, this is realpolitik at its best, right? And so the
00:38:32.960 Chinese help the Iranians to the extent that it helps the Chinese. And they will calculate at all 0.97
00:38:39.180 times in very cold-blooded fashion how they're going to assist them, what it really involves 0.74
00:38:45.660 is what's good for China. And that will be a risk versus gain analysis. So they're not going to say,
00:38:53.740 hey, these are our blood brothers and come charging to their defense necessarily,
00:38:57.920 nor are they going to walk away, nor are they going to do anything productive on our side.
00:39:02.380 And at every step of the way, they will repeat that calculus. In terms of the broader picture,
00:39:09.160 look, I think what people have to understand is we all hope there is a resolution soon,
00:39:17.460 first and foremost me. I'd love to wake up tomorrow morning and find that the Iranians 1.00
00:39:22.760 have agreed to something we can live with, and this is all over. I don't think that's going to 1.00
00:39:28.460 happen. You know, we started a war that I guess we thought was going to be over very, very quickly.
00:39:35.360 It wasn't, and it never was going to be. Now we're blockading the Straits.
00:39:41.560 And what I'm hearing from a lot of people is this expectation that this will be the 1.00
00:39:48.760 move that ends it, that certainly the Iranians will quit now, become reasonable, however you 0.92
00:39:56.520 want to characterize it. And again, I will hope to God that that is true, but I'm not betting any 1.00
00:40:04.180 money on it. That is not my expectation. I think we are going to have to apply a lot more pressure
00:40:11.180 to these guys. Right now, they do not believe they are losing this war. And that may frustrate
00:40:15.940 us, but it is still true. And in terms of what that pressure looks like, what do you think,
00:40:23.760 two kind of questions here. One, what do you think the accurate and, you know, right ways to apply
00:40:29.140 pressure would be? And do you think that for the administration that the only real way to achieve
00:40:34.160 the goals that they've outlined is by putting more conventional boots on the ground or what
00:40:39.200 are the other, you know, kinetic tactics? Well, look, I'll start with the caveat that I've repeated
00:40:44.880 on this program about 50 times by this point in the last few weeks. You know, if I had been
00:40:50.720 advising the president before he made the decision to start the war, my advice would be don't start
00:40:55.300 the war. If his decision was we're going to start the war, it would have been don't do like the plan
00:41:03.900 as it is laid out here will not work. So if you're hard over that you have to do this, you need a
00:41:10.900 different plan. So that's just, that's my caveat right now. Unfortunately, we don't have a way
00:41:17.040 back machine or a rewind button. So we're now in it. And as much as we'd love to just walk away,
00:41:24.240 we can't just walk away. We kind of broke it. If we walk away and we leave the Iranians
00:41:32.240 effectively having won and now dictating terms in the Middle East, the consequences 0.99
00:41:40.060 are unthinkable. So in terms of pressure, closing the strait is a really, is a good step,
00:41:46.920 good start. You also got to close every land border. And we can't do that with the U.S. Navy,
00:41:52.460 obviously. So that means we have to apply pressure on all of the neighboring countries
00:41:57.940 to seal them off. They have a lot of funds, they being the Iranians, billions and billions of 1.00
00:42:05.020 dollars sitting around the world in accounts, but most of which is frozen. Give up on the whole, 1.00
00:42:12.160 I mean, forget about the whole frozen thing. Take the funds, take their money, seal them off from
00:42:18.440 the world. There are still cargo aircraft flying in and out of Tehran from a lot of places where
00:42:26.320 you have no idea what's on this cargo plane. If you're going to blockade the place, you need to
00:42:30.620 seal off air travel as well. And then obviously, you need to stop waiting for them to do something
00:42:38.740 and then figuring out how to react to it. You know, they're going to, they have already taken
00:42:44.160 out the pipeline across Saudi Arabia, by virtue of which the Saudis are moving oil to Yanbu on
00:42:51.100 the Red Sea and getting oil out that way. They've already taken it out once. The Iranians are going
00:42:57.120 to take it out again. And they're going to hit it as many times as they can and cause damage that 1.00
00:43:01.240 you can't fix in a day or two. And they're going to start taking out, at some point, desalination
00:43:06.820 plants and leaving 100 million people in the Gulf with no fresh water to drink. And they're
00:43:12.580 going to start taking out oil production facilities. It's going to go, I mean, assuming we allow them
00:43:17.840 to do that. And increasingly, this comes down to their capacity to use drones, right? And people
00:43:24.420 keep trying to give a count of how many drones they have. There's no such thing as a count of
00:43:29.740 how many drones they have. They can make these drones in a garage. They use motorcycle engines.
00:43:34.640 They're mostly fiberglass. They can make them for nothing. So they literally, in any civilian
00:43:40.800 residence, you could be making drones. So we're shooting down 90, 95% of them. That's great.
00:43:49.120 And all credit to the people that are doing that. But if you fire a couple of hundred of them
00:43:52.620 at a big petrochemical plant and five, 10% of them get through that, that's still a big problem.
00:43:59.840 Sam, if you can hang with us through the break, I've got a few more questions I want to ask you,
00:44:04.220 and I got a Hillary Clinton cold open for you. So the audience is definitely going to hang around
00:44:09.200 or Boston don't go anywhere. We'll be right back after this short break.
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00:45:42.120 Three people around the world, you know, two of them, Jared Kushner and Steve Whitcoff,
00:45:49.480 you know, they're supposed to solve Ukraine, Iran, Gaza.
00:45:52.360 It's a joke, because from what I'm told and what I've read in public accounts, 0.84
00:45:59.140 the offer that was made by the Iranians in Geneva was not adequate,
00:46:04.860 but it served as a starting place beyond which, as Jonathan Powell,
00:46:10.680 the british national security advisor said we expected the iranians to start with but that
00:46:16.440 would require sitting in a chair for hours as we did to get the first agreement that seems to be
00:46:23.800 uh something that trump and his people are unable to do so you would have to wipe the slate clean
00:46:31.400 you would have to bring in people who actually know something about nuclear weapons we had
00:46:36.600 physicists, nuclear weapons practitioners at the table when our administration was negotiating
00:46:44.900 for the JPOA. You need people who know something, who know the history. It's shocking that Trump
00:46:51.140 said nobody told him that Iran might close the Strait of Hormuz. Every war game I was ever
00:46:57.040 involved in, that was the first thing we assumed Iran would do. So we're in a situation now where 1.00
00:47:02.780 we are weak, where we essentially have lost the leverage and initiative that we had.
00:47:10.880 I supported Trump bombing the nuclear sites back in June.
00:47:15.020 I thought that was an appropriate and limited strategic.
00:47:18.720 And that's enough of that.
00:47:20.220 But I guess if that's the shot, then the chaser can be some good news. 1.00
00:47:23.280 Breaking news that Eric Swalwell of Chinese spy fame has also resigned from Congress. 1.00
00:47:29.560 Just some quick breaking news.
00:47:31.560 Go look it up.
00:47:32.500 But we've got Sam Faddis only for a little bit longer.
00:47:34.860 I want to get on the real news of the day.
00:47:36.720 And I don't particularly like that shot of me next to Eric Swalwell.
00:47:39.600 So let's get that off the screen.
00:47:41.620 But Sam, I'm curious to get your, there we go, much, much better shot there.
00:47:45.980 Your thoughts on Hillary Clinton's, you know, take this kind of recurring narrative that
00:47:51.460 we've heard that, you know, Netanyahu and the Israelis have been trying to get every
00:47:55.160 president for a very long time to do this. 0.99
00:47:57.960 But it was President Trump who some would say, you know, Hillary, the idiocy and others would say the courage to do it. 0.98
00:48:03.980 Your sort of assessment. 1.00
00:48:07.260 My dog knows more about national security than Hillary Clinton. 0.99
00:48:10.600 So, look, for the love of God, what what stuns you when the woman speaks is the audacity, the lack of self-awareness, 0.96
00:48:22.140 The somebody with no record of accomplishment ever in protecting this country and associated with policy that just gave away the farm to the Iranians who now wants to lecture us on how this should be conducted. 0.97
00:48:39.000 I mean, good God, that's just that's obscene. 0.97
00:48:42.100 And, you know, as far as Swalwell, I'm sure Fang Fang or Ling Ling or whatever her name is, is waiting for him on the outside. 0.50
00:48:48.780 So I'm sure there's a happy ending there.
00:48:52.860 He's probably quite sad. 1.00
00:48:54.280 The Chinese, honestly, are the most heartbroken over this. 0.93
00:48:56.820 The person, the asset that they've been investing in for a very long time is suddenly a boom out of the, you know what? 0.80
00:49:03.000 We'll take that as a win against the PRC, a pure victory, but we'll take it.
00:49:08.700 Sam, if people want to follow you, get the magazine, stay up to date with everything you're working on.
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00:49:25.640 A must follow.
00:49:26.960 Sam, thank you so much for joining us.
00:49:28.340 I'll have you back on soon.
00:49:29.820 Thank you.
00:49:32.500 And we've got the one and only Mike Lindell who joins us now.
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00:51:05.600 early last week, and we have, I believe it's almost three semis full of product
00:51:13.180 that we're actually completely closing out.
00:51:16.240 And one of them is our slippers.
00:51:17.640 You save 80% on our slippers, $29.98 a pair.
00:51:22.260 Once they're gone, they're gone for good.
00:51:24.660 There they are, everybody.
00:51:25.940 And we have over, I think it's over 70 products on those three semis.
00:51:31.000 But this is the one you've all been loving.
00:51:33.080 And this is my slippers.
00:51:35.240 Remember, this is 80% off.
00:51:36.780 I think the original price was like $149.98.
00:51:39.720 But once they're gone, they're gone for good.
00:51:41.680 And if you go to MyPillow.com forward slash War Room, now you're going to see the slippers,
00:51:48.220 but you see our flagship products, our Giza Dream Sheets. And then you have our MyPillows.
00:51:54.660 We left at $14.98 for the War Room Posse. And then we have, you see, if you click on all of
00:52:03.340 these, the outlet ones, the ones right in the middle there, those are the ones that we're
00:52:08.120 closing out that are on those semis. We have over 70 products there. Check them all out.
00:52:13.220 And then also, let's not forget our big ticket items, the made in the USA,
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00:52:34.540 employees they love when the war room posse calls, get that greatest promo code ever,
00:52:39.040 the promo code war room. And once again, I thank each and every one of you for your support of my
00:52:44.440 employee-owned company as we get through. And by the way, Natalie, they've started to attack me
00:52:50.400 again now that I'm running for governor. And they brought up the deposition with the machine
00:52:54.760 companies, the fight that I'm in there. And the machine companies, voting machines said,
00:52:59.280 if you walk away mike and never talk about us again we'll do a walk away i said i walk away
00:53:05.240 from nothing we're still standing and we're still fighting and always will be so mike lindell thank
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