00:00:00.000Yeah, in this report, the DOJ is saying that the Biden administration, that DOJ, politically targeted anti-abortion opponents for violating, sorry, for expressing their freedom of religion by blocking abortion clinics.
00:00:15.060Now, of course, these are violations of the FACE Act, which is a 1994 law that expressly prohibits blocking the access to any reproductive rights clinics like this.
00:00:25.600Now, ironically, this is the same law that the DOJ has actually used to charge Don Lemon and 38 others for that St. Paul church protest.
00:00:33.380But they're saying that the Biden administration's use of this law, which is on the books for this reason, is politically motivated and a violation of those rights.
00:00:41.920Now, the president did pardon dozens of people who were convicted under this law, and they're using this 882 page long report to justify those pardons.
00:00:51.300And in this report, they lay out the various examples of these cases as proof of weaponization.
00:00:57.800But I want to make it really clear that these are cases that were brought by career prosecutors in the civil rights division of the DOJ and presented to juries.
00:01:05.020And the juries found these people guilty of violating the FACE Act.
00:01:08.500So these are people who are convicted of these crimes.
00:01:10.560These are people who are career prosecutors in the civil rights division.
00:01:13.180And as my colleagues Karolenic and Ken Delaney reported, we know that four prosecutors were fired for their involvement in these FACE Act prosecutions, including the man who oversaw this whole team.
00:01:24.120He was a longtime veteran of the Civil Rights Division.
00:01:26.840He had been put on leave in March as this investigation was swirling up about the apparent weaponization of the use of the FACE Act.
00:01:34.460So we know that he and his presumably his team are the four prosecutors who were fired from this.
00:01:40.100Now, this just creates a bigger vacuum where there was already a vacuum, because this is a DOJ under the Trump administration that has been completely gutted.
00:01:48.080You talked about the team that worked on Iran, but there have been dozens and dozens of prosecutors who were fired for their involvement in January 6 prosecutions and the president's own prosecutions into both his Mar-a-Lago case and the election case.
00:02:01.000But then at the same time, we've seen a wave of resignations.
00:02:04.000Of course, there are some high profile ones like the former top prosecutor in the Eastern District of Virginia who refused to pursue charges against Letitia James.
00:02:12.760These are people who are resigning under apparent pressure to bring charges against the president's perceived enemies.
00:02:19.720I do. And I disagree not because it's just my opinion.
00:02:22.440I disagree because of the work that we did over the past year at the department, understanding what happened that led to these completely inappropriate results.
00:02:31.780And prosecutors have a big say in sentencings in the federal system.
00:02:36.060The judge ultimately imposed a sentence.
00:02:37.900But what we saw is prosecutors arguing for really harsh sentences, inconsistent with what they should have been doing and inconsistent with what they were arguing when it was exactly the opposite.
00:02:48.300And we saw internal emails, internal correspondence, which is now part of the report where Department of Justice prosecutors are working hand in hand with NGOs and nonprofits to target and go after pro-life, pro-life individuals who were not breaking the law.
00:03:06.340OK, and I'll tell you what, there's no emails.
00:03:09.020There's no emails in my inbox from NGOs telling me what to do.
00:03:12.300And it's disappointing. And look, I hope the American people can see the work that we did over the past year trying to understand what happened.
00:03:21.260But once they see it, I think folks will be frustrated and disappointed.
00:03:26.420What does this mean for abortion clinics? And is it possible that now the application of the FACE Act may not be enforced as heavily as it has been moving forward?
00:03:35.960You know, that looks like the trend here.
00:03:38.280Unfortunately, in the wake of Dobbs, the decision that overruled Roe versus Wade, there had been at least the beginnings of an uptick of violence and of these acts of intimidation at clinics.
00:03:50.560But this Justice Department instead is focused on the religious access part of the FACE Act and also is using the clinic access portion of the statute to protect clinics that are providing information and alternatives to abortion.
00:04:06.600And look, that's fine. That's within the ambit of the statute. But doing that while not prosecuting, while not engaging in cases that involve clinics, just sets an atrocious example in communities, in essence, enabling this violence.
00:04:21.340You know, in 1998, I was one of the first prosecutors on site when an abortion clinic in Birmingham was bombed and a police officer was killed.
00:04:30.540A nurse was seriously injured. As prosecutors, we use the FACE Act to protect our communities.
00:04:36.960These statutes provide a great deterrent effect, but only when they're used.
00:04:41.880So abandoning the statute means that our communities will be less safe.
00:04:46.200We don't have free press. We don't have free anything.
00:04:48.860in 2016 i declared i am your voice today i add i am your warrior i am your justice
00:04:58.480and for those who have been wronged and betrayed i am your retribution i am your retribution
00:05:05.680this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on
00:05:19.580these people here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people have
00:05:26.180had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do everything
00:05:29.940the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do people
00:05:33.520like that go to share the big line? MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people
00:05:41.340had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save
00:05:49.000my country, this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.0.62
00:05:56.460you're in the war room it's wednesday april 15th in the year of our lord 2026 natalie winters
00:06:05.840hosting i know i don't usually do the morning shows but here we are don't go anywhere we of
00:06:10.760course have a packed show i want to bring on our first guest to walk us through that cold open a
00:06:16.380new report coming out of the doj talking about that's no surprise to this audience the weaponization
00:06:21.700against pro-life groups, everybody sort of on that spectrum getting just ridiculous punishments.
00:06:28.220We've got Mike Howell, who I think probably leads the, what, quasi-NGO? That is probably
00:06:34.200blowing up Todd Blanche's inbox. I don't know if maybe he needs to read his emails a little closer.
00:06:39.520But if you can walk us through what exactly this report outlined, nothing new, but is the DOJ
00:06:45.520actually going to do anything about it? Yeah, unfortunately, it doesn't look like it. I mean,
00:06:50.220And to set expectations here, it's the Department of Justice, not the Department of Marveling at how the liberals kicked our backsides in when Biden was in the White House.
00:06:59.900OK, so a report. Great. Understanding how the left put Christians in jail.
00:07:06.440OK, use the force of government to target us, particularly Catholics across the country and at scale.0.99
00:07:13.980That's what happened and that deserves justice. That's what President Trump said when he said, I'm your retribution.0.98
00:07:19.220And so we're well over a year in. People already know what the Biden administration did to them.
00:07:24.900They voted for consequences, for accountability, not for reviews. And so I'm disappointed.
00:07:30.500Of course, these emails are interesting. They prove more of what we already knew.
00:07:33.720But everybody in this country, everybody who is, you know, a Trump supporter and wants to get activated for the midterms is asking, where is the accountability?
00:07:42.860And that interview was really illustrative because you have Acting Attorney General Blanche, who I wish well, but he's got a lot to do, just marveling at how the Biden administration and Merrick Garland used the DOJ for their version of accountability.
00:07:55.580And he is proclaiming, yeah, they worked with a behemoth external structure and a compliant bureaucracy to push through at scale their version of justice.
00:08:06.160but this Department of Justice just is going to foreclose working with external parties who want
00:08:11.600to achieve the same things that the president promised. And I'm kind of sitting here wanting
00:08:16.500to find hope in what's happening, but I stand with everybody who wants accountability for the 2020
00:08:21.860election, for the persecution of Christians, for what they did to anybody who fought for election
00:08:26.880integrity down the list. Those are the people who showed up to put Trump in the White House
00:08:31.500instead of a jail cell and that's what we need to see done yeah there's this weird almost like
00:08:37.660fetish with being a victim the way that they talk about it with the glee of oh look what the left
00:08:42.360has has done to us we don't need to give them more free uh unearned or i guess under yeah
00:08:47.420unearned media on conservative you know television stations hour after hour talking about
00:08:53.000how wonderfully and epically they were able to not just shepherd government resources but their
00:08:58.020entire probably taxpayer funded NGO apparatus to, you know, throw all of a lot of the war
00:09:03.100and posse, putting Steve in prison, it seems like there's sort of a pattern.
00:09:07.360I know just a few days ago is why I wanted to have you on the show.
00:09:10.460You know, you've got D&I Gabbard releasing information related to the Ukraine impeachment
00:09:16.420There's no shortage of topics that you can, you know, whatever the statute of limitations
00:09:19.920dive into and find, you know, stuff that basically confirms what I think we've been reporting
00:09:24.800here in the war room for a very long time.
00:09:27.060But it seems to kind of follow this similar pattern where, you know, interesting information is thrown out there, the media rounds are done, and then it's done, and nothing really happens.
00:09:38.380Are you of the mindset that, you know, nothing is going to happen?
00:09:41.680I'm sure there's some of the audience who would say, Natalie, you need to be patient.
00:09:47.220But do you think this is a function of time, or do you just not think that we're seeing the gears actually grind toward justice?
00:09:54.060Well, we're certainly not seeing the gears grind towards justice.
00:09:57.060I think, could it happen? Yes, absolutely. I mean, there's an opportunity with the shuffle atop of DOJ to either say what happened in the past year and a half wasn't sufficient and this is kind of a change in tactics, or it'll be taken as an opportunity to kind of rebrand and continue the same with, you know, cosmetic modifications at the top.
00:10:15.420I think that is the fight. And that is the decision that ultimately rests with President Trump. Do you like how things happened the past year and a half? Or do you want more? Do you want the accountability and points sticking on the board? And people need to make their voices heard on that. I mean, this is one of the most, if not the most important job in the administration. And with it comes massive expectations. It's a difficult job. I sympathize with it.
00:10:38.080It is a hostile territory at DOJ and the FBI, but to declare victory prematurely that these bureaucracies have been reformed and that just naming things that everyone already knew about is victory won't get us to where we need to go.
00:10:53.640There is this deep-seated psychological defect amongst our elites, quote-unquote Republicans, that just pointing to our victim status is somehow fulfilling.
00:11:03.500And I don't know where it comes from, but it certainly doesn't get us anywhere.
00:11:10.260They put points on the board and they did it in dramatic ways.
00:11:13.400And they availed themselves of all options to achieve their version of twisted accountability, which, of course, persecuted so many people.
00:11:32.180But could it be passed? Yes. Does it require changing tactics massively? Yes. Does it require a political overhaul in how we're going about things, an overhaul in legal strategy and ditching these like self-congratulatory document dumps that are not landing and just confirming things we already know? Yes.
00:11:51.620And so, like, this fight is ongoing. I'm not giving up. The Oversight Project's not giving up. But we're certainly not popping the party poppers and celebrating because some documents that should have been released a year ago hit the Internet.
00:12:02.960Yeah, I mean, I would posit that a lot of the outrage and uproar against the sort of, you know, podcast media, I think that's supposed to be a denigrating term, I would rather be podcast media than the legacy media, but it's because we sort of shift the goalposts, right, for what accountability looks like, people used to just, you know, go on Fox and cry and complain about what was happening.
00:12:23.700And that's how you get Trey Gowdy's Benghazi committee.
00:12:26.500But now we actually have power through this audience to change these outcomes, even as
00:12:30.220Vice President Vance said in that clip, talking about if there's something the administration
00:12:34.340does that we don't like, we should let our voices be heard.
00:12:37.780So you're sort of the expert in shepherding all those voices as the directed energy towards
00:18:25.760That means we've got a lot of work to do.
00:18:27.120The beauty of it is Congress gave Trump $40 billion to do it, and the vast majority of the population still supports the notion that if you're here illegally, you should be deported.0.62
00:18:36.740So there needs to be commas in the numbers.
00:18:38.660Those are easy to get to, but it requires crossing one threshold in particular, worksite enforcement.
00:19:13.360Join up with the grassroots, the people who actually voted for this stuff, so we can outpower the special interests trying to water down the mass deportation agenda to end up.
00:19:34.920I remember reading all the articles talking about how mass deportations are so politically
00:19:39.780unsalient and bad for President Trump.
00:19:42.360This isn't what the people actually voted for.
00:19:44.500First of all, the historic landslide victory, I think, definitely suggests otherwise.0.98
00:19:49.600But also, do you think the majority of Americans wanted, I don't know, you know, freak transgender folks working in the nuclear energy department, stealing luggage from DCA, running our nation's top energy agencies?0.96
00:20:02.160It's like, no, people didn't vote for that. So we're willing to stick our neck out for, you know, trans and kids across this country.0.94
00:20:08.400but something that is so foundational to this country, just remaining, I don't know,
00:20:12.220a country with borders and sovereignty and a national identity that isn't 80 million languages1.00
00:20:17.420and H-1Bs floating around everywhere. It's like the most radical thing.1.00
00:20:22.220You could, one more time, Mike, if people want to get involved and make sure this
00:20:25.260issue actually materializes, where can they go to do that?
00:20:29.600Yeah, massdeportation.com, sign up. If you're part of an organization, join.
00:20:34.080Wayne, follow us on X at phase two to port. This thing's taken off.
00:20:37.560It's all over DC right now in terms of we got bus wraps and signage and
00:20:41.540trucks. We're going to be running ads.
00:20:43.340It'll be in your communities and is going to break out across the entire
00:20:46.380country because the energy is there. This is what we were promised.
00:20:49.560This is what this country needs to survive.
00:20:52.000We need to show strength in numbers that these like swamp lobbyists can't
00:20:55.940just rewrite the entire central thesis of why we're all together here today.
00:21:24.380Well, you keep saying was. Is this war over?
00:21:27.420I think it's close to over. I mean, I view it as very close to over.
00:21:31.240You know what? If I pulled up stakes right now, it would take them 20 years to rebuild that country.
00:21:38.900And we're not finished. We'll see what happens. I think they want to make a deal very badly.
00:21:44.040That the Pentagon is sending thousands of additional troops to the Middle East in the coming days.
00:21:50.940Officials tell the paper the Trump administration is still considering additional strikes or possible ground operations if the ceasefire does not hold.
00:22:00.760President Trump, meanwhile, said yesterday negotiations could resume over the next two days, possibly being held once again in Pakistan's capital.
00:22:11.140This all comes as the United States military blockade of Iranian ports continues now into its third day in an effort to put economic pressure on Tehran.
00:22:22.840U.S. Central Command said yesterday that no ships made it past the blockade in the first 24 hours.
00:22:29.780During the ceasefire, Iran has been working to remove debris, blocking the entrances to underground missile bases.
00:22:35.820These are satellite images reviewed by CNN, show front end loaders scooping up rubble from the block tunnels and loading it into nearby dump trucks.
00:22:44.220One of the lessons that we've learned over the last year in watching him is that very rarely does he send manpower or machinery and not utilize it.
00:22:52.860And so there's still this assumption that this could get a lot messier.
00:22:55.560You watch the markets. It seems to be like everyone has moved on and the war has been solved.
00:23:00.100I hope that they hope that to be true. But I think people need to be clear eyed that this could still spiral in very bad directions.
00:23:06.940Yeah. And, you know, the Wall Street Journal does following up on Jim's point.
00:23:11.160While there is optimism, the Wall Street Journal this morning reporting that the leaders had been replaced in Iran.0.66
00:23:20.220The new group is even more hostile to the United States, if that's possible, even more radical, even more militarized and also even even even more extreme when it comes to to their their view of the world through their their religion.0.64
00:23:39.300I I'm not very optimistic. I think there's two kind of core questions here.
00:23:44.500Who benefits from dragging the process out?1.00
00:23:49.280It absolutely is on the side of the Iranians.1.00
00:23:50.740And the second is which side can endure the most suffering and most pain.0.82
00:23:55.260And I think clearly the Iranians have proven that as well.0.67
00:24:00.660I know this idea that the blockade so ships can't come.0.98
00:24:03.780I mean, this is a country that's been had tens of thousands of bombs dropped on it the last month.
00:24:08.540The idea that it's going to somehow kneel down because of the naval blockade, I think, is is silly.
00:24:14.600The idea that this is now an economic, potentially economic pain being inflicted on Iran, we've inflicted military pain on them.
00:24:25.000That hasn't really worked to cow them or have a regime change that actually results in something.
00:24:30.960You don't think economic pain is going to do that.
00:24:32.520The economy was already in a shambles.
00:24:34.860That's what led to the to the demonstrations and the killings in January.
00:24:39.800I think that I think that the regime I think if you go back and I think it's important to look at what happened in January, that the regime, there was demonstrations against the regime for 10 days that were largely peaceful.
00:24:51.780They were metastasizing in size. Finally, the government reached a point where it thought it was going to go down.
00:24:57.160So they they killed 30 to 40,000 people in one weekend. They see their back against the wall.
00:25:03.880And as Ms. Sherman said, they need to feel like they're getting something out of any sort of negotiated settlement.
00:25:11.500And they don't have much to give because they could be overthrown by the people and they'd be slaughtered.
00:25:20.060Back in the war room, lots of noise, not a lot of signal.
00:25:24.740I want to bring on Dr. Bradley Thayer to help us distill all of that.
00:25:28.740Dr. Thayer, if you can sort of walk us through the latest that we see going down in Iran after
00:25:33.640the break. We've got a few minutes. We can kind of chill down more from the China perspective,
00:25:36.980but just your bird's eye view of everything that's going down the Strait of Hormuz,
00:25:41.540you know, the prospect of boots on the ground, where do you think we stand?
00:25:45.500Thanks, Natalie. Great to join you again. The blockade is holding that the U.S. military said
00:25:53.900more vessels are being turned back regularly, including a U.S.-sanctioned Chinese-owned
00:26:00.620tanker, the Rich Starry. The Wall Street Journal reports that eight Iran-linked oil tankers have
00:26:08.200been intercepted since the blockade began on Monday. So it seems that the blockade is extremely
00:26:15.240effective at monitoring and stopping Iranian shipping, which is so important. Al Jazeera0.93
00:26:25.060is reporting, it's just breaking now, that the Iranian media are reporting a Pakistani delegation
00:26:31.820is on its way to Tehran, and that delegation contains a message from the U.S. regarding
00:26:40.020the war and the prospect of restarting negotiations, face-to-face negotiations.
00:26:48.660And you'll note that President Trump told Jonathan Karl of ABC News that the next two
00:26:53.680days are going to be two amazing days.
00:26:56.300So in addition to what he said to Maria Bartiromo, he's signaling through Jonathan Karl that
00:27:03.280perhaps things are going to come to a head very quickly.
00:27:06.960At the same time, as you noted, U.S. forces continue to flow to the region. And that's the stick, right? That's the coercive element. If Iran does something in continuing the war, breaks the ceasefire, attacks U.S. vessels, U.S. military assets or our allies, prodigious U.S. military powers in the region to restart the war.
00:27:34.560and the Iranians have revealed, I'm sure, new military targets in addition to the economic0.54
00:27:41.000targets which President Trump said he might strike if Iran continues the war. So a lot is0.53
00:27:48.500happening. There's the prospect of the resolution which President Trump has conveyed and
00:27:55.420perhaps the message from the Pakistanis are carrying to Tehran will bear fruit,0.93
00:28:03.000But the stick is there, too, as well.0.98
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00:30:45.880there. I'm sorry to interrupt you. I know you're just getting into the sort of the second and
00:30:49.960third order effects of all this. So feel free to pick up where you left off, but also the China0.87
00:30:54.420layer on all this, where you see that standing. Right, Natalie. And it's very important, of
00:30:59.920course. President Trump did also say that he had sent a letter to Xi Jinping, the leader of China,
00:31:08.540asking the PRC not to send any military weapons to Iran, and that Xi had replied to that letter
00:31:18.020saying that the PRC would not send military weapons to Iran. Now, whenever Xi Jinping
00:31:28.860says something like that, you always have to apply the Mary McCarthy rule, right? Every word he says
00:31:34.560is a lie, including and and the. We know that the PRC was supplying surface-to-air missiles,
00:31:42.660man-portable surface-to-air missiles to Iran. There's suspicion that fuel for Iran's
00:31:50.940liquid fuel ballistic missiles were still being supplied by China during this war.
00:31:57.340The Financial Times reports today that in late 2024, China had supplied Iran with a spy satellite, which Iran has been using to target U.S. bases and allied bases during this campaign.
00:32:17.400So when Xi Jinping is saying that he's not going to supply weapons, given the poor record of communist China in that regard, we want to look at that, obviously, discount that with a major dose of the Mary McCarthy rule.
00:32:33.160he has every incentive to lie, although I'd expect him to be on his best behavior before
00:32:39.020the meeting in May, when President Trump and Xi Jinping will meet in communist China in mid-May.0.68
00:32:47.440So the PRC aspect of it is extremely important, not only because of the weapons that China
00:32:55.720supplied in the past and continues to supply, but also because they're instrumental in backing
00:33:02.700the regime in Tehran. So the communist China wrinkle element of this is extremely important.
00:33:13.600And can you expand a little bit more on the upcoming visit, how you think this sort of
00:33:18.020plays into all that? Well, President Trump and Xi Jinping want to have a positive meeting
00:33:27.200in mid-May. So I would expect that between now and then, Xi Jinping is going to do his utmost to
00:33:35.380at least provide reassurances that China is not supplying the military weapons,
00:33:42.440that it's working assiduously with the United States to bring the conflict to an end,
00:33:47.880that it's coordinating with the U.S. Navy and other navies with respect to oil tankers exiting
00:37:57.800storied history of a nationalist resistance to the British and elsewhere, has become a product of the
00:38:05.260EU as well, has become a socialist product and is worse even than the two parties that presently
00:38:11.260govern Ireland. So it's very difficult to convert that popular movement into political change.
00:38:16.680And that's why it's so important to bring up really a new party with new leaders who are going to be able to combat the European Union.
00:38:28.000But time is short because immigration is not stopped, right?
00:38:32.600The rule of the EU is endless immigration with, you know, seemingly in perpetuity as they do their utmost to change the population dynamics in Europe.
00:38:46.400So Ireland is at risk of, as many folks have talked about with respect to the U.K., it's also true in Ireland.
00:38:59.140Dr. Fair, can you just give me one to two more minutes on what you think the White House needs to take away from these protests, especially on the immigration issue?
00:39:10.540I think there's a warning. What the White House, I think, is recognizing, because there are very good people in the White House and in the State Department who are working on this issue, is that the EU is de facto becoming a destabilizing force for Europe as they accelerate immigration, endless immigration, into that continent.
00:39:36.600And so that holds at risk the NATO alliance, U.S. commitment to European security, the stability of European states, and also the sustainment of Western civilization.
00:39:52.340So everything upon which the United States really was founded and to which we recognize as a key aspect of our identity, Western civilization is under threat by the EU.
00:40:05.060It's not Moscow, which is threatening it. It's Brussels, which is doing its utmost to erase it as the national security strategy of the United States, which was released in early December of last year, identify.
00:40:21.700It's a very significant problem, and it is threatening the stability of the Atlantic Alliance. It's supremely reckless. Western civilization is not for Brussels, Ursula von der Leyen and her cadres to destroy. It doesn't belong to them. It belongs to the United States as well as Europe, and they don't get to destroy it.
00:40:49.600The U.S. gets a vote, and so we should think seriously about if they're going to pursue endless immigration, a variety of economic tools we can bring to bear, diplomatic measures we can bring to bear, and some other elements as well in terms of pressure we can bring to bear.
00:41:10.400Tariffing them if they're not going to change their immigration policy makes a lot of sense to me.
00:41:15.640So they're going to pay an economic price if they're going to continue such a reckless and destructive policy.
00:43:34.400Natalie, great to join you. Brad Therrett X or Bradley Therrett Truth and on Getter.
00:43:41.200Thank you, sir, for joining us. We'll be right back.
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