00:00:29.000I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:34.660Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:38.400If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:00:44.800War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Vannis.
00:00:52.520It's Tuesday, 21 April, Year of Our Lord, 2026.
00:00:55.0002026. Joe Allen's in the room with him, but we're going to go now live to Jeff Clark giving his
00:01:00.720opening statement at Arctic Frost. Let's go.
00:01:05.760Issuing nearly 200 subpoenas, seizing communications at the highest levels of the government,
00:01:12.200pointing a criminal case dagger at President Trump that was all designed to destroy the
00:01:17.100populist Republican Party. I was in its crosshairs. Let me be clear. This testimony is not about my
00:01:23.740support for Republicans. It is about whether the machinery of government was used in a way that
00:01:28.580would alarm every American, regardless of party. And it was. First, what was Arctic Frost? It was
00:01:34.800an investigation launched in 2022 under circumstances that flatly violated FBI
00:01:40.100protocol and all ethical standards, allowing a politically biased agent to open his own case.
00:01:46.740That's not adequate predication. From there, it expanded dramatically, reaching into six states
00:01:52.260targeting roughly 420 individuals and entities, even sweeping in the phone records of sitting
00:01:58.700United States senators. This was not a narrow law enforcement operation to keep Americans safe.
00:02:04.320It was a political dragnet. Second, my experience. I expressed internal views within the Department
00:02:11.500of Justice about the 2020 election through proper channels, in privileged settings, as part of my
00:02:17.440official duties as a lawyer and consistent with my Rule 2.1 obligations in D.C. For that, I became
00:02:24.280subject of biased New York Times leaks, overlapping investigations, an Inspector General probe
00:02:30.800later merged into Arctic Frost, a bar referral, a congressional investigation, a federal investigation,
00:02:36.760and a failed state prosecution. These were not isolated. They overlapped, they reinforced one
00:02:41.880another, and they imposed immense personal and professional costs. At one point, my home was
00:02:47.380raided. My family's devices were seized. My daughter, who was 12 years old at the time,
00:02:53.22012 years old, came to me nearly in tears after she learned about the raid and said that her
00:02:59.700personal diary, was that read by the agent's dad? You don't want to have to explain that to your
00:03:04.72012-year-old. I received death threats. One caught from a caller claiming to be from New Jersey
00:03:11.160invited me to go to the Pine Barrens, where he said he would dismember me and then send the
00:03:17.300pieces in buckets to my fatherless family. We reported this to the FBI, and we never heard back.
00:03:24.340That is the insane hyper-partisan atmosphere that Arctic Frost stoked. Third, the pattern,
00:03:31.360the same conduct. All internal privileged DOJ communications, in my case, were simultaneously
00:03:37.980probed by multiple bodies. On five fronts, the same facts, the same target, all me, all designed
00:03:44.820to impose tectonic pressure that would try to make me say something and lie about President Trump,
00:03:50.740which I refused to do. I stood strong. Documents already in the public record and that I've
00:03:56.280attached to my more extensive written testimony show direct coordination such as information
00:04:01.440sharing, multi-state meetings with state prosecutors, overlapping witnesses, clever attempted evasions
00:04:08.880of important legal privileges, and miraculous purported coincidences like the Office of
00:04:15.120Inspector General and the FBI raiding my house one day, June 22nd, and then the very next day,
00:04:20.540magically, the January 6th committee had a hearing targeted at me. I wonder how that happened.
00:04:26.700Fourth, the implications of the fruit plucked from this poisonous tree from FBI agent Tebow.
00:04:33.700If an investigation is launched improperly, then what follows is tainted.
00:04:38.640If internal watchdog materials are merged into criminal probes, as happened here with the OIG investigation that morphed into Arctic Frost,
00:04:48.420you've violated what the inspector general's office is designed to do.
00:04:52.340and now it's conflicted, and now it cannot look at DOJ's own conduct in that investigation.
00:04:59.180Fifth, the broader context. Arctic frost did not occur in isolation. It fits within a pattern of
00:06:10.880Thank you. Thank you, the witnesses. I'll start off. Mr. Clark, I want to ask you, you've referenced you being targeted, not just by Arctic Frost, but in Fulton County, multiple proceedings.
00:06:25.720In that proceeding in Fulton County specifically, you and your lawyers sought documents,
00:06:31.620communications, including Nathan Wade's billing entries for his conference with White House
00:06:36.220counsel, interview with D.C. White House, but Judge McAfee placed certain materials
00:14:35.320you disagree with attorney general barr yes all right the uh claim here mr schwager is that this
00:14:45.780is a bogus by the way were crimes committed on january 6 by the mob who attacked the capitol
00:14:51.400there were crimes that were committed by some members of the people who protested that day
00:14:56.700yes do you believe that the that it was a crime for uh people uh to attack officers and hit them
00:15:03.260with, hit them, pulled their helmets off, to attack them with sticks and mace and bear spray?
00:15:13.000Police officers should not be assaulted. That is criminal. I would say that I don't believe
00:15:17.980that anyone in D.C. with a 94% jury pool got a fair trial. And that's why President Trump
00:15:25.180rightly pardoned them. 94%? Yes. Are you saying the people of D.C. have no capacity0.56
00:15:32.220to make a determination based on the evidence about criminal conduct that may have been committed?
00:15:37.360I think they can when we're not talking about something that's politically hypercharged
00:15:42.120and something that the media tries to drum in as a narrative.
00:15:44.880But when politics are at stake, I don't think so.
00:15:48.480What are you thinking about the attacks on these officers who were standing between the mob and Nancy Pelosi or Vice President Pence and stood their ground and did their job and there was evidence that was presented in court and people who committed those crimes were convicted?
00:16:14.800And you're saying they were rightly pardoned because it was a bogus trial?
00:16:20.020If you don't get due process, that is one of the mechanisms in the Constitution to ensure that people get justice, Senator.
00:16:27.880Mr. Schwager, just the premise here is that it was a bogus investigation.
00:16:35.320and all of the things that are part of a normal investigation,
00:16:40.780subpoenas, making links, having a wide investigatory outreach,
00:16:47.920is there anything different about this investigation
00:16:52.040and what would be a thorough investigation of any other crime
00:16:55.740once there is a predicate for pursuing an investigation?
00:17:00.340Well, I think the alleged crime is historic in nature.
00:17:03.540However, the tools used in the investigation are common to complex matters.
00:24:53.980It evaporates into the sky by millions of gallons.
00:24:57.260The very place that laid me off was an organic mattress company.
00:25:00.900And while working for them, I actually learned a lot about Forever Chemicals.
00:25:04.080I got to see how the sausage gets made.
00:25:06.420I saw the inside of those so-called regulations.
00:25:09.260I saw how rigorous studies are often self-funded,
00:25:11.680a pay-to-play model where if you've got the cash, they'll give you the certificate.
00:25:14.960it. If a trillion dollar company is funding the study that says their
00:25:18.440forever chemical learn-off won't hit our water table, they aren't giving us the
00:25:21.920science, they're giving us a sales pitch. We're told that we have to accept this
00:25:26.720because we need big employers. We're told that if we don't say yes, we're driving
00:25:30.620away the future. But that's a false choice. A big employer who uses the water
00:25:35.240of 50,000 people, which by the way is a combination of both Kent and Ravenna,
00:25:38.800only hires about 10 people is not an employer. They are an extraction.0.68
00:25:44.400We are being asked to fund a 21st century luxury with a 19th century resource heist.
00:25:50.660We are being asked to sacrifice the lifeblood of our city so a trillion dollar company can save a fraction of a cent on its margins.
00:25:57.340We are being asked to drain our reservoirs so a chatbot can write a poem or so our sheriff can generate a picture of himself standing next to Bigfoot.
00:26:04.340Which, by the way, of course, he made himself look taller.
00:26:06.480they want us to trust a trillion dollar industry that tells us with a straight face that they can
00:26:14.140suck five million gallons of water out of our ground a day use it as a liquid heat sink and
00:26:20.100return it to our rivers without a single consequence they are asking for a measured approach while they0.97
00:26:25.280hide their actual usage behind secret contracts and ndas ohioans have seen this trick played before
00:26:31.180we know what happens when massive utility interests and black box energy deals gets
00:26:35.240fast-tracked behind closed doors. We're still paying the bill, literally, for the first energy
00:26:40.440scandal. We were told these bailouts were essential and measured too, and it turned out to be the
00:26:45.080largest racketeering plot in the history of our state. So when a trillion-dollar company asks for
00:26:49.960our water, our electricity, and our silence, we shouldn't just be asking for the facts. We should
00:26:54.600be asking who is really getting the kickback, and why is it our reservoir that's on the line?
00:26:59.240There is a reason the Ohio House just voted 88 to 0 to pause and study this industry.
00:27:03.920It wasn't an act of cynicism. It was an act of stewardship.
00:27:07.780They realized we cannot let these ghost towns move in then before we understand the damage they do to our grid and our water table.
00:27:14.560We are the county seat. We are the stewards of the Great Lakes Basin.
00:27:18.680Let Ravenna be the city that had the wisdom to say no to the bubble and yes to the basin.
00:27:23.700I am not a cynic when it comes to technology.
00:33:10.460But for whatever reason, there seems to be a surge in the red counties of, guess, wait for it, Trump grassroots voters, the grassroots doing their job.
00:33:23.160So I think more than ever, this could be a dead heat.
00:33:25.480And I think we're doing, at least so far, through these morning hours, fantastic.
00:33:29.600And if Grace can get up, if you can get on a phone bank, anything you can possibly do.
00:33:33.400If you're in the Commonwealth, go to your list.
00:38:32.000These are guys who are obsessed with their toys.0.90
00:38:34.320They're obsessed with technology, the gray tribe, kind of alien mind, right?
00:38:38.960And so they're willing to manipulate the politics of the Republicans, of the Democrats, of independents, whatever is convenient and whatever is lucrative, they're going to turn to.0.78
00:38:50.840And so this manifesto, which is basically a distillation of Karp's book, The Technological Republic, which I am not trying to boost his sales by holding it up here.
00:39:01.060But I do think it's at least worth reading because it gives you two things.
00:39:05.920One, it gives you an idea of the kinds of ideological moves these guys are going for in order to kind of court people on the right.
00:39:43.260And the other is the comparison of artificial intelligence to the atomic age.
00:39:48.580Well, as you just noted, as atomic weapons, as nuclear weapons became a threat to humanity across the board, the way in which it was controlled is government.
00:40:00.440And the government is much more accountable to people than a corporation.
00:40:04.000Right now, CARP is pushing into this idea, this model that corporations can and should be responsible for things like life or death situations, but that responsibility is being more and more put off to AI.
00:40:19.460If you look at the way in which Palantir works with Maven smart systems in conjunction with other systems like Anthropics, Claude or OpenAI's GPT, what you see is that decision compression.
00:40:32.200The notion is we can now accomplish so much more in a much shorter period of time.
00:40:36.540But what that means is that through the surveillance systems of Palantir and through the rapid analysis done by these large language models, what used to take human beings time to deliberate on and to actually consider perhaps the ethical implications of strikes that would kill other people.
00:40:55.640And it's interesting because if there's one thing in there that I agree with that Karp talks about, well, two things, one, the anti-PC push, but also he talks about how there is a kind of degradation in the conversation around violence, around killing one's enemies abroad, that it should not be celebrated.
00:41:14.440But maybe sort of like you would read in the Bhagavad Gita that to or say the Tao Te Ching that to kill an enemy, you fight as brothers, as the Bhagavad Gita would say, or the Tao Te Ching, that you should kill an enemy as if you were going to his funeral just with solemnity.
00:41:29.720Well, how solemn is it if you have a situation in which some of right now, some of the decisions being made to kill other people are being made by machines and pushed by companies like Palantir, like Andriel that want to see these systems deployed fully autonomously.
00:41:47.840And you simply have machines running around making the decisions, whether it's drones or whether it's missile systems, making decisions without human oversight or just a human in the loop to say yes or no without any real knowledge of the situation.
00:42:02.220So, yeah, Palantir, these manifestos sound great to American patriots.
00:42:07.080And I'm not saying that there aren't patriots working at Palantir.
00:46:20.400The enemy is Hollingsworth. Will Hollingsworth is their enemy, right? Basically, somebody would stand up in a New England town hall and really fight for freedom and individuality and individual liberty. That is a problem for CARP, right? Because those people would sit there and go, guess what? They are decelerationist. Short break. Joe Allen on the other side.
00:46:44.920everyone's focused on how the conflict in the middle east is raising oil prices but there's
00:46:51.920another grim reality to this contention oil isn't the only resource being constrained about one
00:46:58.920third of global fertilizer trade happens through this region and with spring planting season on
00:47:05.040top of us american farmers are sounding the alarm with some saying they can't afford to plant their
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00:48:33.160But most importantly, get to talk to Philip Patrick and the team and ask him, hey, what in the hell is going on with this geopolitical crisis?
00:50:39.740I know you're in Greece right now, but what in the hell is going on in these negotiations?
00:50:43.700They're saying J.D.'s still at the White House in meetings.
00:50:47.380Are the Iranians jerking around President Trump, sir?0.86
00:50:50.560Well, I think that a lot of this is the Reagan-Rakovich play by both sides at the end of the deal.
00:50:57.680Sources I've been talking to here and throughout the Middle East, I mean, look, Greece is not the Middle East, it's Europe, but I've been talking to people throughout the Middle East.
00:51:06.520By the way, it's 7 p.m. here, or about to be 7 p.m.
00:51:13.060JD can't get there before the ceasefire expires, right?
00:51:16.400Like, so it's it's the I don't know what's going to happen next, but I do think that they're a lot closer to a deal that fits the president's framework than people are saying.
00:51:30.760You know, I've been talking to folks who are pretty connected throughout the Middle East.
00:51:35.360First of all, let me be clear. The White House and the vice president's office, the president, etc., with the exception of the formal messages from the president, have been very tight-lipped, very not leaking, not talking a lot about where things are at with the negotiations.
00:51:56.040So I'm having to talk to other people beyond the formal sides of the negotiations.1.00
00:52:02.580And I don't think you can really trust the Iranians, of course.1.00
00:52:05.740But the fact is that folks that I'm talking to throughout the Middle East are saying that they think they're actually closer to a deal.1.00
00:52:14.260And that said deal, if and when it emerges, is going to include a massive investment of U.S. energy companies into Iran.
00:52:23.840So like similar to what you've seen where, you know, the Chevrons and Exxons of the world and whatnot are going to go in and get the natural gas and the oil.
00:52:31.860I mean, that's the Trump trademark move, right?
00:52:35.720He wanted to do it in Iraq, right?0.99
00:52:37.880Like it's the title of the chapter of his book, second chapter of his book, Time to Get Tough, Take the Oil, right?
00:52:44.480Like, so that's Trump's trademark move. So if that happens, that, you know, combined with Iran actually agreeing to not get to a nuclear weapon, which would be a major significant development, and then, you know, hash out what happens with the nuclear materials that are there, that's a massive win for President Trump, right?
00:53:03.400Like, so, um, so we'll see, like, I, I just don't know where and when exactly that's going
00:53:09.660to happen, but a lot of people think that a lot of this between both sides, both the
00:53:13.680United States and the Iranians all saying, Oh, we're not going to go.