Bannon's War Room - Episode 5319： Taking Down The SPLC

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00:00:45.720 your host stephen k bannett okay wednesday 22 april year of early 2026 um yesterday with

00:00:56.120 everything going on, one of the most important items, and we played this in the six o'clock hour,

00:01:02.660 I was able to play the press conference, was the Southern Poverty Law Center. One, this is a demonic

00:01:09.340 organization, but number two, it also shows you that there's been a pivot and we are going on

00:01:14.440 offense because it's the real hit of a lot of darkness. We've got a short cold open. Let's go

00:01:18.940 and play it. I've got Tyler O'Neill from the Daily Signal and Blake Neff from the Charlie Kirk show,

00:01:25.320 So the co-hosts are going to join me here momentarily with Posobiec.

00:01:28.720 Let's go and play the cold lines of that.

00:01:30.920 I mean, right before the show just started, the Southern Poverty Law Center, which is a 55 year old civil rights organization, was just indicted by this Department of Justice over alleged use of paid informants and extremist groups.

00:01:43.500 It was an 11 count indictment.

00:01:46.240 Basically, they were indicted, I guess, for paying informants to infiltrate groups like the KKK.

00:01:53.120 Are we not supposed to pay the informants?

00:01:54.500 Help me understand what's going on here.

00:01:56.540 Yeah, it's not entirely clear because, you know, in order to have a wire fraud investigation or wire fraud indictment, you actually need a false statement.

00:02:02.660 It's not obvious to me what the false statement is here.

00:02:05.000 It seems like they're above board and paying these informants, even if there are unsavory characters.

00:02:10.140 That's how you get information.

00:02:12.220 You know, the main thing that the Department of Justice benefited from in bringing this case is that they were able to do so in the Middle District of Alabama, you know, where you were able to get a friendly grand jury.

00:02:22.040 But when you see similar kinds of investigations and prosecutions happening in D.C. here in Eastern District of Virginia, they've really struggled.

00:02:30.320 And so I think this is one of the rare cases where one of these political prosecutions might have some legs, unfortunately.

00:02:35.440 It is.

00:02:35.780 It's a side of racists and people who undermine the very principles of the country.

00:02:40.060 And they have been from the very beginning because that's where Donald Trump has always nurtured himself.

00:02:44.200 Bottom line.

00:02:45.320 Here's the thing, though.

00:02:46.560 While all that's happening, where they're bringing all these charges, you have this government claiming, as it did coming in, as it left the last time coming in this time, about the weaponization. 0.85

00:02:56.640 How Joe Biden had weaponized the government against those po little Republicans out there, those po-po Republicans who got weaponized by all these bad, bad Democrats.

00:03:08.960 And then you had, you know, what might have been if Kamala Harris had gotten elected. 0.93

00:03:13.760 Oh, there'd been more weaponization.

00:03:15.360 Well, the DOJ released a weaponization report.

00:03:18.680 And that report reported by The Atlantic says the weaponization report takes from the form of a classic Trump two-step.

00:03:28.320 First, claim that normal law enforcement work, when directed against you or your friends, is illegitimate.

00:03:34.360 Then use that supposed illegitimacy as justification for your own revenge.

00:03:39.740 We've seen this before.

00:03:41.720 The bulk of the 800 page document consists of anodyne emails among career career attorneys.

00:03:47.640 That is people who serve across multiple administrations, which you know them very well of both parties, which it spins into an unsubstantiated narrative of bias.

00:03:59.260 That's where we end up. 0.98

00:04:00.840 800 pages to tell us that this was a load of crap by the Trump administration. 0.97

00:04:06.860 Tyler O'Neill, you've written a great piece of Daily Signal. 0.96

00:04:10.340 Talk to me about it because they're trying to dismiss it all last night and then this morning of this really starting to hold the Southern Poverty Law Center, which is a totally demonic organization.

00:04:20.140 Accountable, sir.

00:04:21.960 Yeah, no. Hearing MSNOW come out and say that there's no smoke, that there's no fire to this smoke is hilarious.

00:04:30.840 I mean, they clearly haven't actually read the indictment because the indictment clearly states that there was false statements, that the SPLC created shell companies through which to fund these white supremacists.

00:04:46.000 So yes, perhaps there isn't anything technically illegal. There's something very, very stinky about going to your donors and saying, oh, we're fighting hate, we're fighting white supremacy, and then funding the KKK under the table. 0.68

00:05:00.540 I mean, some of these claims, and maybe that overall thing is not illegal, but what is illegal is setting up the shell companies to hide it and then conspiring to hide it further, which is another charge in the indictment. 0.95

00:05:15.960 And the other thing is, even if it isn't illegal, it still stinks to high heaven.

00:05:22.760 I mean, the SPLC was funding and directing one of the leaders of the Charlottesville white nationalist activity.

00:05:31.880 I mean, this is like talk about funding and fake false flags here.

00:05:37.880 The SPLC funded this person to bring more people to the white nationalist side on Charlottesville. 0.98

00:05:44.460 You know, I think of how much crap President Trump got for saying there were fine people on both sides. 0.93

00:05:50.480 Both sides, by the way, of the argument about removing statues of Robert E. Lee, that's what he was talking about. 0.97

00:05:56.900 But here, you know, we have the SPLC funding one particular side, and it's not the side that they claim to be supporting.

00:06:07.320 Tyler, hang on. I want everybody to read the piece that Tyler O'Neill's got about the Daily Signal.

00:06:11.200 Blake, let me bring you in. Blake Neff, explain to the audience exactly what are we talking about?

00:06:16.780 I say it's demonic. The Southern Poverty Law Center, and Tyler goes into the specifics of what's in the indictment of what they did.

00:06:24.140 Why is that so shocking to people? What does the Southern Poverty Law Center hold itself out to be, and what really are they?

00:06:32.120 Well, I would definitely contest that it's shocking. I don't think any of us who've followed it a long time think that it is.

00:06:38.400 But, of course, the SPLC, they have presented themselves as a very different organization for a very long time.

00:06:45.820 Honestly, it doesn't hurt to go back all the way to the start.

00:06:48.320 They were founded in 1970 or 71.

00:06:51.280 They have this name that's clearly intended to invoke other more famous civil rights organizations.

00:06:58.740 The Southern Christian Leadership Conference, SCLC.

00:07:02.020 Oh, here's the SPLC.

00:07:04.140 Sounds very similar.

00:07:05.320 They were founded by Morris Dees, a master of direct mail

00:07:09.400 So the SPLC's entire business model has been

00:07:12.400 Send hysterical letters to left-wing people in their homes

00:07:17.740 And say, hate's on the rise, the Klan is coming back

00:07:20.480 There's national socialists on the march

00:07:22.460 White nationalists on the march 0.97

00:07:24.140 They're going to take over, they're going to do horrible atrocities 0.98

00:07:27.540 Please send us your money to track them

00:07:29.560 And obviously during the Trump years especially

00:07:32.540 It was just a bonanza for them

00:07:34.640 There's a ton of hysteric people on the left, ready to pony up a ton of money. And what's remarkable is the way that this indictment shows that they were sort of, they were playing both sides of it. I think my favorite part of the indictment, they have a whole list of their secret informants, and one of them is F-30.

00:07:53.280 And it describes F30 led the National Socialist Party of America, was a former director of a faction of the Aryan Nations, was a member of the Ku Klux Klan.

00:08:03.720 And the SPLC secretly was paying this person at least $70,000 while they had a page on their website in their extremist file.

00:08:15.020 This is one of the people we're fighting against. Please donate money to us so we can fight this person when they were paying him the entire time.

00:08:23.280 And of course, the SPLC is shady in a million other ways. In 2018 or 2019, Morris Dees had to step down because people brought sexual misconduct claims against him. And they promised, oh, we're going to bring in a big team. We're going to investigate this. We're going to release a big report. Nothing has ever been mentioned about that since then.

00:08:43.920 there's a lot of former SPLC staff who've said this organization is shady so whatever happens

00:08:50.400 with this indictment I think the golden opportunity to look at every single thing that goes on in this

00:08:55.260 organization you will find a lot of things that stink and look very very bad well I also think

00:09:01.020 there's a lot of whistleblowers a lot of people that maybe went down there think it was going to

00:09:04.980 went there and thought it was going to be altruistic on the left and turned out it's just a 1.00

00:09:09.220 group of scumbags. But just for clarity, is the center of gravity in the indictment basically 0.95

00:09:16.880 saying, because every night on MSNBC, hate is on the rise, white nationalism is on the rise,

00:09:21.780 white Christian nationalism is on the rise, is because in their business model, they wanted to

00:09:26.960 make sure they juiced it to make sure it was on the rise. And that's where they're funding guys 0.80

00:09:31.620 in the KKK, guys in the American Nazi Party, guys in these white nationalist organizations to

00:09:36.680 basically do that so they've got something to raise money off of? I think there's a bit of

00:09:41.140 that for sure. There's also, there's this bit, I mean, you see a defense, USA Today published an

00:09:46.680 article saying they used this, they were paying informants. That's a well-known tactic of federal

00:09:51.900 law enforcement. Well, the SPLC is not a federal law enforcement organization. They're a non-profit.

00:09:58.040 In the indictment, we see someone they were paying, someone they paid over a million dollars,

00:10:02.440 in fact. They apparently paid him to apparently commit a crime. He stole many boxes of documents

00:10:09.900 from a building owned by one of these groups and then supplied them to the SPLC. So it's a mixture

00:10:17.460 of things where we also see them described as telling someone what to post before the Unite

00:10:23.460 the Right rally. It appears this person was making extremist statements with the SPLC's knowledge,

00:10:28.620 perhaps their approval or suggestion. And they were also acting like this quasi-law enforcement

00:10:34.860 organization, which so many groups on the left have gotten away with, and the SPLC got away with.

00:10:39.660 Until the first Trump administration, we had this official relationship between the SPLC and the

00:10:45.800 FBI. They would bring them in to train their agents in fighting extremism. Obviously, the real

00:10:51.920 purpose of this is it allows this radical left-wing group to define what an extremist group is. And

00:10:58.420 they're always going to define it. So the right is extreme. The left is not extreme. They've always

00:11:03.100 had massively more hate groups on the right on any of their trackers than on the left. A very

00:11:09.160 sinister organization in that regard. I think a very fair way to characterize the SPLC is they

00:11:15.540 themselves are America's leading hate group because their entire business model is based on ginning up

00:11:21.740 hatred against other people. Tyler, your observations on this, sir.

00:11:27.960 Yeah. So I think Blake hit on a lot of important points. The only real reason I say that this is

00:11:33.420 shocking is because I did not expect to see the Southern Poverty Law Center itself cop to funding 0.87

00:11:39.740 the KKK and the Aryan nations. I mean, this is, you know, you would not expect them ever to admit 0.99

00:11:47.040 this. But the SPLC, I've covered for years, I wrote the book, Making Hate Pay, The Corruption

00:11:53.000 of the Southern Poverty Law Center. And I've long focused on how the SPLC exaggerates hate.

00:11:59.120 They go to their donors and say that they're fighting hate. And then when it turns out that

00:12:03.880 America actually isn't that hateful, they have to meet that artificial demand that they've created.

00:12:10.780 So they have to increase the supply. And for a long time, the most obvious way they increase

00:12:16.260 that supply was by demonizing conservative and Christian groups. And this was a weapon that they

00:12:21.940 could use not only to say, hey, you need to give us more money, but also to silence people, also to

00:12:27.420 bully people, also to terrify people and get companies to debank them, get social media

00:12:33.660 platforms to de-boost them. And then now we're seeing that not only did they do that, which is

00:12:39.620 egregious and evil and, quite frankly, fits every definition of defamation in my book.

00:12:45.540 But also, they were funding the very people that they put up as extremists on their website.

00:12:53.480 And then, of course, the Biden administration comes in immediately. I mean, Margaret Wong

00:12:58.520 was bragging about how many different agencies brought in the SPLC to train them on the domestic

00:13:06.280 terrorism threat. And then later we hear that DOJ prosecutors were even studying with members

00:13:13.920 of the SPLC. And of course, there's that anti-Catholic memo that the FBI's Richmond office

00:13:20.120 put out directly citing the SPLC. So if you want to find anything when it comes to the weaponization

00:13:27.000 of government, the demonization of conservatives, the worst excesses of the left, the Southern

00:13:33.000 Poverty Law Center is ground zero. And there are so many more investigations that should come of

00:13:39.700 this. And I'm still hoping that one of these defamation lawsuits will finally open the books

00:13:45.600 and reveal exactly how corrupt their whole hate map really is. Tyler, where do people get the

00:13:54.260 book? Where do they get your writings at the Daily Signal? And how are they following on social

00:13:58.080 media. Thanks. Yeah, you can follow me at Tyler2, the number two O'Neill on X is where I'm most

00:14:04.400 prolific, but I'm also on Truth Social, also on some other platforms. And you can find the book

00:14:12.280 Making Hate Pay, The Corruption of the Southern Poverty Law Center on Amazon and other places,

00:14:17.860 and The Woketopus, The Dark Money Cabal Manipulating the Federal Government, which builds

00:14:22.800 on that and talks about the SPLC's

00:14:24.860 impact in the Biden administration.

00:14:27.120 Also on Amazon, I

00:14:28.680 recorded the audio of it myself,

00:14:31.380 but it's out there.

00:14:32.760 Just search Woketopus, Woke Octopus.

00:14:37.160 Blake Neff, you follow us

00:14:38.680 every day. Where do people go on social media to track you

00:14:40.700 down, sir? You can find me on

00:14:42.560 X at Blake

00:14:44.580 S Neff, and

00:14:46.600 you can watch us, of course, on The

00:14:48.640 Charlie Kirk Show, which we're continuing. We're

00:14:50.560 carrying on his legacy as best

00:14:52.720 weekend and you follow us every day right here on roller marks voice blake fantastic job tyler

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00:17:44.080 Jack Posovic, I got you doing dual duty today.

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00:17:51.560 and our strategy over in the war in Iran.

00:17:55.320 But you know the Southern Poverty Law Center very well, sir.

00:17:59.340 And Blake Neff and Tyler had it both right.

00:18:02.840 Folks, this is an opening salvo.

00:18:05.400 As Todd Blanche said and as Kash Patel said,

00:18:10.920 And thank God for the U.S. attorneys down in Alabama that did this, did the work and brought it.

00:18:16.020 This is just an opening salvo.

00:18:17.520 There are a whole lot more.

00:18:20.420 They're going to find out a lot more indictments, a lot more of these demons going to prison.

00:18:24.860 Jack Posovic, thoughts, sir?

00:18:27.660 Well, well, well, Steve, I suppose you could say today is a day that we're going to be focusing on enemies, foreign and domestic.

00:18:35.640 And so when we look at those extremists like the SPLC, we need to start asking a few questions here, because when I see that there was two hundred seventy thousand dollars that was paid to a leader of the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, not someone, by the way, who is some podunk.

00:18:56.540 oh, I'm just giving some reports. No, Steve, that's not the kind of money that you give to

00:19:00.300 someone who's writing reports. All right. And I'm saying this as a guy who knows a couple thing or

00:19:04.740 two about running intelligence operations. That is for tasks. There was tasking that was given

00:19:12.380 to these informants. There was tasking that way they were used for, by the way. And Blake mentioned

00:19:17.520 the one earlier here. There was a leader of the Aryan nation they had up in an extremist file

00:19:22.380 that they were raising money off of his extremist profile while they were paying him.

00:19:28.940 So that's fraud. That is exact wire fraud right there.

00:19:32.660 Direct. Take it literally to the bank. In this case, there's also money laundering issues here

00:19:39.300 because we see all these shell companies and that's going to be an issue for the Treasury Department

00:19:43.900 to have to go and look at when it comes to fines.

00:19:46.180 But, Steve, we need to dig in a little deeper here.

00:19:48.920 This means every night you go up on MSNBC and they say,

00:19:52.500 oh, the extremism is on the rise, extremism on the rise.

00:19:55.940 Well, who was actually behind that extremism on the rise?

00:19:58.920 It was the SPLC.

00:20:02.000 In the Trump movement, the extremism,

00:20:04.880 this is because we united working class Hispanics, African-Americans. 0.96

00:20:08.800 They had to gin it up. 1.00

00:20:10.280 That's what this whole thing's about.

00:20:11.460 And that's why there's many more indictments going to come.

00:20:13.280 Let me play. 0.67

00:20:14.180 We didn't play the end of that clip about the Catholics in abortion. 0.58

00:20:17.500 Let's go and play this. You know, this is a real problem. There are, I believe, over 200 attacks 0.95

00:20:22.720 of arson against abortion clinics over 50 years. That averages one to one to about one every three

00:20:28.460 months. You know, and so this wasn't just an attack on the general approach of the Department

00:20:33.120 of Justice. It was an attack on a specific law and a specific law intended to protect women.

00:20:38.200 So that's that report specifically. But you're exactly right about the general thing. You know,

00:20:42.000 the strategy here is to say, look, the last guys were overtly political and going after our enemies.

00:20:47.640 And we're going to go after our enemies, too.

00:20:49.440 And they're trying to legitimize that, especially in the advance of elections.

00:20:53.460 The Southern Poverty Law Center did all the initial analysis.

00:20:57.400 Now we know it was all cooked to go on the abortion.

00:21:01.420 The holiest guys I've ever met happened to be in prison with me that were sent there for praying the rosary in front of these abortion clinics.

00:21:09.220 Also, the parish that my parents helped start that is a Latin mass, a Tridentine Catholic right church, is what the Southern Poverty Law Center said.

00:21:20.740 These are extremists.

00:21:22.660 These are white nationalist extremists, the most humble folks in the world, every family with eight and nine kids and two or three of them in the Army or the Marine Corps or the Navy.

00:21:32.300 Just the most patriotic, the salt of the earth.

00:21:35.260 jackie see right there this is a demonic organization and this is just the first of

00:21:41.180 many investigations to indict them all indict their donors indict all of it jack vasovic

00:21:46.860 and steve that's there's going to be two pieces of that because over on human events daily today

00:21:53.080 we're going to be going through chapter and verse and naming the board of directors of the southern

00:21:58.520 poverty law center and i'll i'll give this out for the war room audience because i saw that the

00:22:05.200 amazing first hour here the energy there was so phenomenal and i just point out that wouldn't it

00:22:09.920 be surprising to the war room audience to find out that there is a member one of the co-founders of

00:22:15.840 bain capital is currently on the board of directors of the spLC now how does that make

00:22:23.280 bain capital wait a minute is that mitt romney wait a minute mitt romney's front well hold on

00:22:27.500 a second what's going on i thought that was republican conservative out boston i thought

00:22:31.500 That was capitalism. What's going on here? That's that's Wall Street. I don't understand.

00:22:36.880 So we're going to be going through and understanding how all the money flowed here, because there's going to be a lot of problems about who knew what, when.

00:22:44.340 But, Steve, I want to go back and I want to kind of take a page.

00:22:47.900 You know, we don't have Darren Beattie right now because he's serving right.

00:22:52.100 He's serving the country and go and look at what he would talk about.

00:22:56.220 He would talk about how organizations like the SPLC during the Biden regime and during the Uniparty were used as cutouts for the intelligence agencies.

00:23:07.140 When we talk about this relationship between the FBI, the previous FBI, right, and the SPLC, we really need to start asking questions.

00:23:16.120 Did they do we really think, Steve, that they just found out about these informants today or was this something that was done at the behest of the previous FBI so that they could launch these organizations so they could stage these things?

00:23:30.760 And, oh, by the way, then you have Chris Wray going up in front of Congress and saying, wait a minute, these guys aren't on the federal payroll.

00:23:37.660 We don't have any informants in there at all.

00:23:39.800 And he can do so with a straight face because they're not federal informants.

00:23:43.980 They're SPLC informants working hand in glove with the feds.

00:23:49.740 That's what it is.

00:23:50.480 This is a cutout operation.

00:23:53.220 So Real America's Voice, you got the worm in the morning.

00:23:56.040 Then you got the Charlie Kershaw, Blake Neff, one of the experts in this area.

00:23:59.080 And then you've got Poso, the expert.

00:24:01.380 So you're going to get five hours in this Southern Poverty Law Center

00:24:04.860 is the key that picks the locks so much.

00:24:06.960 That's why I'm so glad Todd and Cash are finally on offense.

00:24:10.620 One last quick word, if I can, Steve, on this.

00:24:13.560 It's amazing, though.

00:24:15.140 You think the left would give him credit for this because, wow,

00:24:17.940 Cash Patel and Todd Blanch, what did they find?

00:24:19.900 We actually found evidence of systemic racism for once,

00:24:23.260 the real systemic racism, and it was being funded by the SPLC.

00:24:28.540 Unbelievable.

00:24:29.400 Criminally.

00:24:30.080 Criminally funded.

00:24:31.460 Yeah.

00:24:32.220 Jim Rickards, I want to pivot.

00:24:33.680 I want to go because the president's saying now I think he's standing in the ceasefire

00:24:36.620 for a couple of days.

00:24:37.980 Where in the hell are we, sir, in this war in Iran?

00:24:41.500 Jim Rickards.

00:24:43.320 Well, Steve, you know, one of the techniques in intelligence analysis, you know, I always

00:24:48.560 say if you had all the information, a high school kid could solve the problem.

00:24:51.320 But intelligence analysts work in a world where you don't have all the information.

00:24:54.940 So there's certain techniques that you can use.

00:24:57.320 One of them is separating signal from noise.

00:25:00.560 A lot of information is coming in, but a lot of it's garbage or can be disinformation, propaganda, or just irrelevant.

00:25:07.500 But there's something there that's really critical, and you have to do that in this case.

00:25:12.000 So just for the benefit of the War Room audience, J.D. Vance's peace mission, Rykov and Kushner going to Islamabad, that's noise.

00:25:22.240 Iran skipping the peace mission, basically not going there, not going to the talks, that's noise.

00:25:27.860 Iranian threats of retaliation, if Trump resumes the bombing, is noise.

00:25:32.980 The ceasefire itself is noise.

00:25:35.080 Sorry.

00:25:36.180 Yeah, I'm sorry, noise.

00:25:37.420 This is all noise.

00:25:39.000 There's only one signal that matters.

00:25:41.120 The Strait of Hormuz is closed, period.

00:25:43.520 It's been closed for 56 days.

00:25:45.100 It's going to be closed for the foreseeable future.

00:25:47.180 We can spend hours talking about why or whom or double blockade, et cetera.

00:25:51.980 I mean, yeah, those are all important tactical points.

00:25:54.520 But it's closed.

00:25:55.800 And we all know it's 20% of the world's energy.

00:25:59.300 The energy in transit, the floating pipeline, I call it, has unloaded the last vessel that

00:26:05.780 left the Gulf before the blockade has made it to South Korea or Japan or Malaysia or

00:26:11.800 India or wherever it's going.

00:26:13.320 There's no more behind it.

00:26:14.820 You know, the odd vessel here and there that gets they say this vessel got out. Yeah, it got turned around by the US Navy, you know, half a day later. So that's the reality. That's the signal. That's what matters. And you're talking about shutting down large parts of the industrialized economy. So, you know, we can talk about the war.

00:26:32.000 Okay, but hang on. It's closed. Your thing about the signal, it's closed by a bunch of pirates

00:26:40.700 who don't even report to Tehran on the Persian side or the Iran side of the strait. It's also

00:26:47.360 closed by a magnificent United States Navy that's out in the Gulf of Oman in the North Arabian Sea

00:26:52.340 that is closing except to people that we want to go through. Which of those two closures are the,

00:26:58.700 I mean, how do you get some sort of rapprochement between those two closures, sir?

00:27:05.100 Well, the first thing I would say is it doesn't—great question.

00:27:07.820 I would say it doesn't matter.

00:27:08.940 Closed is closed, so let's start there.

00:27:10.540 Having said that, Trump has said even if Iran were to reopen the strait, which they're not,

00:27:16.820 the U.S. Navy would continue to interdict and seize vessels coming from Iranian ports,

00:27:21.960 Iranian cargoes, Iranian cargoes going to China, et cetera, would do that anyway,

00:27:25.800 which raises the question, does Trump want the straight close?

00:27:30.560 That's the thing.

00:27:31.140 Everyone's like, well, we're a tip for hat with Iran. 0.63

00:27:34.020 We have to be there also. 0.94

00:27:35.380 Yeah, the Navy's there.

00:27:36.480 Trump may want the straight close because it basically gives Russia

00:27:39.280 and the United States a duopoly on global energy supplies.

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00:29:43.340 So, Jim Rickards, we've been making the case that the two principals here are the Chinese Communist Party in the United States of America.

00:29:50.480 And Xi actually said something for the first time.

00:29:54.740 He said, hey, we need normal, you know, rules of the road.

00:29:57.800 We need free navigation.

00:29:59.800 We got to open that thing up because they're getting choked down right now.

00:30:04.060 Isn't the way for us to end it as President Trump just deal directly with Xi and say, hey, look, we don't need to we don't need to get your pride?

00:30:11.180 Because as Post and I have been talking on the show and we talked to you about it a week ago, there's not just simply not anybody to get in the room with.

00:30:20.660 There's nobody really getting the room with now because we kind of shattered their chain of command that can make a deal and execute on a deal.

00:30:28.340 And particularly down in Hormuz, I'm of the opinion, having been down there as a naval officer, that's a group of just pirates that don't feel they report to Tehran.

00:30:38.500 and particularly now, and they're making real cash money, and they're like, screw the Revolutionary

00:30:45.440 Guard. We got a good deal here, and screw the Americans, sir. Well, see, I agree with you that

00:30:51.400 the Chinese Communist Party is very powerful in the United States, more on the Democratic side,

00:30:56.280 but, you know, I think they've got their tentacles everywhere, and I agree with that. I think that

00:31:00.860 a dialogue between Trump and Xi would be highly constructive, so all in favor of that and talking,

00:31:06.560 But I really question, and sort of to your point, you know, Trump says the Iranian leadership is fractured.

00:31:12.980 I'm not sure what that means.

00:31:14.040 The idea that it's at this point a little bit decentralized, that the guard corps go their own way, the domestic politicians, the parliament speaker, et cetera, may disagree with that.

00:31:23.460 They get ignored.

00:31:25.840 And, you know, the mosaic defense where each battalion commander, brigade commander can do its own thing.

00:31:32.660 That's all true.

00:31:33.600 But that doesn't mean that Iran's impotent. 0.85

00:31:35.620 And it means that they're working off a different model of command and control.

00:31:40.140 But they had 30,000 missiles.

00:31:42.380 We probably launched 10,000.

00:31:44.160 We probably disabled another 10,000.

00:31:46.780 But they still have 10,000 left.

00:31:48.060 They're making drones in there.

00:31:49.660 Well, they've got factories underground, but you can make them in basements and garages. 0.90

00:31:53.700 I don't see Iran being out of this fight at all.

00:31:56.980 They can't launch a missile at the United States. 0.88

00:31:59.020 But they can really up the ante in the Persian Gulf.

00:32:02.420 So the ceasefire has been extended. 1.00

00:32:04.400 That's a good thing.

00:32:05.100 But for how long? Again, I come back to something a broken record, but the straits are closed, period. And until that's changed, I don't see it changing.

00:32:15.320 And I talked about shutting down industrial economies. Yes. But again, the nitrates, fertilizer, it's planting season. And in poor areas, people are going to starve over this.

00:32:26.520 Hang on. And I'm going to get Pasobek here in a second. Hang on. Hang on. You're implying, and correct me if I'm wrong, you're implying that it shut down and until that part of it's over, are you implying that President Trump's got to send the Navy and the Marine Corps and others in strategic bombing and dig them out, dig whoever's controlling the straight Hormuz from those cliffs, right, down near Hormuz in the Persian Gulf, that you're just going to have to at some point in time, if you want to open it, you just got to go

00:32:56.500 dig them out? I think that's the only way to do it. Now, I'm not predicting that that's going to

00:33:02.020 happen. I don't think it will, but I do agree that that's the only way to do it. The bombing

00:33:07.660 campaign, I think Hagseth and Trump should study the seizure of Sarajevo in 1992 and 93.

00:33:16.700 The city, I've been there, it's along a river valley. It's kind of strung out, beautiful city,

00:33:22.440 But surrounded by hills and mountains, the Serbian Chetniks controlled the mountains. 1.00

00:33:26.640 The people in Sarajevo were defenseless. 1.00

00:33:28.820 There was no food.

00:33:29.520 They didn't get any weapons.

00:33:30.860 They put up a kind of defense.

00:33:32.820 Innocent people were being shot in the streets on their way to get a cup of coffee or whatever.

00:33:37.400 Totally besieged.

00:33:39.200 A little bit of humanitarian relief from the UN, but not much more than that.

00:33:43.020 But they didn't surrender.

00:33:44.620 They refused to give up.

00:33:45.780 They came together.

00:33:46.960 And by the way, they were Orthodox Catholics and Muslims. 0.96

00:33:51.660 who didn't really put religion first. They were Sarajevans. In the middle of all that, 0.90

00:33:57.000 they actually had continued a beauty contest. They picked a Miss Sarajevo. I mean,

00:34:01.200 Bona wrote a song about it. My point is, when a population comes together and they're united,

00:34:06.260 and they view themselves as one person, they can hold out against anything. That's what Trump has

00:34:10.780 done to Iran. Trump has united Iran in ways they didn't expect. Now, yeah, I do think you're going

00:34:16.940 of need boots on the ground. But now we're back to Vietnam. And again, it's a little bit of a

00:34:21.840 tired analogy, but I think it's a good one. McNamara had rolling thunder. That was the

00:34:27.480 bombing campaign. Trump looks more like rolling blunder. There's no way out of this except

00:34:32.820 escalation. Jim, where do people go to the landing page now? We're going to be back on

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00:36:28.080 brother. Thanks. Jack, that's a fine way to start a Wednesday. I guess we're going to have to go

00:36:34.780 dig them out. Let me ask you, are Kushner, Witkoff and JD, are they getting on a plane anytime soon?

00:36:42.240 Is there anybody really on the other side? Is there any counterparty we can negotiate with that

00:36:46.840 has any ability to deliver not simply the nuclear part, which I realize is big, but I think there's

00:36:53.560 a lot of different ways of that, but particularly the Strait of Hormuz with these pirates and

00:36:57.560 brigands got a pretty good thing going. Well, Steve, you and I were chatting behind the scenes

00:37:03.780 about this, I think about a week or two ago, and one of the emerging developments that we've seen

00:37:09.940 not only publicly, but now we see it here on the ground, is does the new civilian leadership of

00:37:16.180 Iran have control over the IRGC, or is it the other way around? And what it looks like, the

00:37:22.980 administration is now trying to figure out, are we talking to the right people at all? Because

00:37:27.480 if the people we're talking to don't have the ability to stop the gunfire of these gunboats

00:37:33.200 and these small boats in the Strait of Hormuz, then guess what? The negotiations don't matter

00:37:38.820 at all. So why would you get on a plane to begin with if you don't have the ability

00:37:41.840 to actually control the IRGC? But I'll tell you, Steve, there is someone who has control over all

00:37:48.620 of this. And it's so clear that someone is exactly who I asked President Trump about when I was at

00:37:54.440 the White House last week, right outside the Oval Office. And that's Xi Jinping. This is all about

00:37:59.020 the May 14th meeting in Beijing. Because, Steve, look, you've got two forces at play here. We have

00:38:05.600 the military force. We've seen that and they've performed just exceptionally. United States,

00:38:10.460 Navy, et cetera. And Secretary Hagseth is up there. But we also have the market force,

00:38:15.540 the market force of the entire world economy, which flows, its key artery is the Strait of Hormuz.

00:38:23.980 And where does that head? Predominantly from Iran to China. So that's why the blockade is

00:38:30.040 President Trump's strongest card. That's why the naval blockade has been the best move in this

00:38:36.440 situation, because it cuts them off from the revenue. It cuts the Chinese off from 15 to 20 1.00

00:38:42.320 percent of their oil supplies. And that's why they're the ones who are now going to have to 0.99

00:38:47.340 come to the table. And of course, they're going to do it carefully. They're going to use their

00:38:50.200 proxies in Pakistan. But ultimately, it gives the president leverage over not just the Iranian 0.74

00:38:56.700 regime itself, but also China. And that's what all of these moves have been about from the start.

00:39:02.640 When you go back to Venezuela, when you look at Cuba and the delegations that are meeting over

00:39:07.360 there in Havana. And now you go to the meeting that's coming up with Xi Jinping. It's all about

00:39:12.580 those leverage points. That's going to be the deal with China. How about if you're sitting in Beijing

00:39:19.960 and you see all of a sudden the Indonesians showing up to sign a memorandum of understanding

00:39:25.980 with Pete? The Strait of Malacca. That's what it's all about. The Strait of Malacca. You got

00:39:30.580 the Singaporeans down there saying, hey, we may want to jump in here and help out. You've got,

00:39:36.680 I guess Monaco, we're talking about now, Gibraltar, Morocco, we're talking about Gibraltar.

00:39:43.220 President Trump is going full Admiral Mahan on this, is he not, sir?

00:39:48.080 No, this is full Admiral Mahan.

00:39:50.380 I've tried to explain this, and you've done such an amazing job here on the war room on human events.

00:39:56.080 We call it the sea powers versus the land powers.

00:39:58.800 So the sea powers versus the land powers.

00:40:01.000 You've got the U.K., then the United States, and Mahan, of course, even though he was British,

00:40:05.580 He understood the power of the sea and the power of the strategic lines of communication, these key choke points around the world.

00:40:13.500 This is why, by the way, Greenland is so important and the Panama Canal, which will come up when we talk about that hemispheric defense later. 0.78

00:40:20.780 But President Trump is working to put the United States on that incredibly competitive footing with the entire world, where up until now, we've just been handing it off to the Chinese. 0.94

00:40:30.420 We've been handing off all of this to the Chinese. 0.96

00:40:32.160 This is how the British Empire was built. And by the way, it's how the Dutch Empire was built, because they controlled the Strait of Hormuz even before the British. And so when you look at that, it's the land powers on the other side, right? China, Russia, Persia, India, right? These are your land powers. These are that's that's Mackinder. That's the World Island. That's, by the way, what the Ukraine war is about. And of course, we've looked at all this. That's Russia trying to expand their natural borders with Europe, put themselves in a better position, but also to give themselves access to the sea, Odessa, the port. 1.00

00:41:02.060 there, which we've talked about at length. President Trump gets this. The war room has

00:41:06.580 talked about this forever. You've got a couple of Navy officers. I think we know a thing or two

00:41:10.420 about what we're talking about when it comes to sea power. That's why the blockade is key. And

00:41:15.220 I've had some people try to explain to me, oh, blockade, what's that going to do? Is that just

00:41:19.480 a line of ships? No, it's about shutting down their oil revenues. And that regime can only stand

00:41:25.500 for what, four weeks, six weeks? How long can they go without getting revenue? How long can

00:41:30.760 they actually stay in place before and they came out what today they said two million people in

00:41:35.880 iran are without work because of this two million people out of work and eventually those people are

00:41:41.540 going to turn out at some point and say you know what maybe i don't like this regime just as much

00:41:45.920 maybe i'm not fans of donald trump and the americans but maybe i'm not a fan of this regime as

00:41:49.940 well jack i want to hold you through the break because i i want to spend some more time with

00:41:54.380 you on southern poverty law center for your bounce in your two o'clock show but my question here is

00:41:58.860 When she calls, he's talking to the guy and say he's getting the arms to and the cash to, the mullahs and the, because the Ayatollah probably can't talk given his disfigurement.

00:42:11.640 But he's talking to those guys and he says, look, you got to get rid of this Hormuz thing and I'm dealing with Trump on the blockade.

00:42:16.880 And they say, yo, we don't control the pirates down there.

00:42:20.600 We don't control the brigands.

00:42:22.080 You guys have had this problem down the Strait of Taiwan on your side forever in Fuzhan province with pirates.

00:42:30.040 What's Xi's response, sir?

00:42:32.100 Give me 45 seconds on that. 1.00

00:42:35.120 Well, Xi's response is that if anyone's in the problem, it basically, I would say it's a Xinjiangian response where if you've got Uyghurs in the way, you get them out of the way. 0.91

00:42:46.880 And that's why the Xinjiang and the Uyghurs are so important to them. 0.96

00:42:49.600 they're trying to build that they're trying to build a railroad between china and iran that's

00:42:54.480 why they're so focused on xinjiang xinjiang but by the way you're absolutely correct he's going

00:42:59.820 hang on hang on man i co-opted the pirates down in fujan right what do you what do you mean you

00:43:05.400 take care of your problems don't don't whine to me you don't go back to the boss and say i can't

00:43:10.200 take care of it that's not an appropriate response when they call beijing they say hey that's not a

00:43:14.980 problem. That's why those guys are so demonic. Geopolitics in the United States Navy. Much more 0.95

00:43:23.440 than that later today on the 5 o'clock show. Short commercial break. Poso's going to be on the other

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00:46:46.820 Pasobek, I have many more questions

00:46:48.100 about China and the geopolitics.

00:46:50.140 I'll get to those later this afternoon. I'll deal

00:46:51.880 with them and tomorrow. But I want you

00:46:53.920 one more time because what happened yesterday has been a long time in coming. This demonic

00:46:59.720 organization, the Southern Poverty Law Center, is now in the barrel, as we say. It's their turn

00:47:05.900 in the barrel. Jack Posobiec, what are you going to do at 2 o'clock today? And why, why, why should

00:47:11.040 the Warren Posse make sure they tune in? Well, it's a long time coming, Steve, and we're going

00:47:16.040 to be going through the financial backers of the SPLC. We're going to talk about their ties to Bain

00:47:23.560 capital we're going to talk about their ties to oh i don't know how about the widow of steve jobs

00:47:31.400 the widow of app which funny enough didn't the atlantic who she is directly behind just run a

00:47:38.800 huge hit piece on cash patel just ahead of these charges being dropped i wonder why the atlantic

00:47:45.520 was doing that when their backer who's also the backer of the splc lorraine powell jobs was coming

00:47:51.400 out, Steve, so much of the left's infrastructure has been run through here. So many of their

00:47:57.260 highest profile donors and backers are tied into this. We know for years that they have

00:48:03.860 been infiltrating and creating and causing the hate that they then go and report about

00:48:09.060 on MSNBC, that they go talk about in the FBI. And this is how, by the way, they can be used

00:48:15.560 as a government cutout so that Chris Wray and all the others can go up there and say,

00:48:20.540 yo, that wasn't a federal informant.

00:48:22.340 No, no, no, no, no.

00:48:23.420 That person was never on our payroll.

00:48:25.000 Yeah, because they're on SPLC's payroll.

00:48:26.460 And Steve, if it took us almost a decade

00:48:28.820 to learn the truth about Charlottesville,

00:48:31.840 what's going to happen when we start digging in

00:48:34.680 to other paid informants from January 6th?

00:48:40.020 That's what this comes to.

00:48:41.080 But this is the Southern Poverty Law Center,

00:48:46.400 what you're going to start to expose.

00:48:47.720 We're going to get Blake Neff back on here

00:48:49.260 from the Charlie Kirk show that follows this immediately. Blake's an expert on this. Tyler

00:48:53.500 O'Neill at Davis Signal wrote the book about it. The reality is that they're a hate group. In fact,

00:48:58.860 they're one of the biggest drivers of hate in this country. Are they not, sir?

00:49:03.540 Steve, this is what they were doing. It's almost like they were paying the head of the area nation

00:49:07.320 a commission so that every time he would go out and do something, they would raise money off of

00:49:11.800 it. And by the way, even Fox, I got to give him credit. Fox is giving reports on how much money

00:49:17.180 the SPLC raised after Charlottesville, and now it's come out that it was the SPLC that was behind

00:49:23.880 Charlottesville in the first place. They were on the leadership there. And Steve, how many times

00:49:28.980 have we seen the FBI run these type of entrapment operations where they say, oh, we're going to go

00:49:33.080 get the governor of Michigan, or oh, we're going to go do this, oh, we're going to go do that.

00:49:37.340 And then you bring people forward to create the problem, create the conspiracy, and then be the

00:49:43.720 ones to go after it and steve i'm just telling you my phone lit up like a christmas tree of

00:49:49.160 government contacts guys i know in the intel community and said oh this is this entire thing

00:49:53.960 was a government cut out the whole thing from soup this is listen to jack was so but government

00:49:59.060 cut out this is why this is going to start it's going to be so overwhelming so many people are

00:50:03.260 going to go to prison it's going to be so great jack uh we got charlie kirk and blake neff up

00:50:08.020 next you're at two o'clock your social media because you're like the associated press

00:50:12.440 of the MAGA movement, sir.

00:50:15.480 Well, thank you, Steve.

00:50:16.380 I appreciate that so much.

00:50:17.620 We're at Jack Posobiec.

00:50:19.060 And then, of course, Human Events Daily is the show.

00:50:22.000 Apple, Spotify, a couple other places.

00:50:24.680 We're going to be just sign a couple of deals.

00:50:27.400 We're going to be actually syndicated in a few other places soon.

00:50:31.440 That is yet to be announced.

00:50:33.540 But I'm really, really excited to see the interest there.

00:50:36.740 And it's all thanks to the War Room Posse.

00:50:38.560 And again, just a huge shout out.

00:50:40.340 Cash Patel over at the FBI.

00:50:41.920 Todd Blanche, interim AG.

00:50:44.140 I don't know, Steve.

00:50:44.980 We may have to drop that interim title after seeing something like this

00:50:47.720 for Todd Blanche because this is just phenomenal work.

00:50:50.000 Phenomenal.

00:50:50.580 Keep doing this. 0.99

00:50:51.400 We've got to put more scalps up, more points on the scoreboard.

00:50:54.360 Jack Posobiec, thank you so much.

00:50:58.080 God bless.

00:50:58.580 Todd Blanche and those guys at DOJ, you're grinding, and Cash Patel,

00:51:02.500 don't let him run you out of there, Cash.

00:51:05.480 Hunker down.

00:51:06.940 You were great.

00:51:07.520 You were magnificent at that press conference yesterday.

00:51:09.160 Chris Hoare, Satellite Phone Store. You're always on to give the war on posse a deal.

00:51:14.480 What do you got for us today?

00:51:16.580 Well, Steve, whilst there may be a ceasefire with Iran, there is no cyber ceasefire.

00:51:22.260 Cyber attacks on the U.S. continue at a pace that I don't think we've ever seen in our history in this country.

00:51:27.940 And these guys, the Iranians, the North Koreans and others, are going after our infrastructure, and that includes our utilities.

00:51:34.040 So this is just a stark reminder that we need to be prepared. 0.96

00:51:37.160 And one of the ways we can be prepared is by having independent communications, which a satellite phone is the only thing that really truly represents that.

00:51:45.140 And at sat123.com forward slash Bannon, today we have a very limited deal.

00:51:50.340 We've got a free satellite phone with activation.

00:51:53.040 And with that, we're including a free dual pocket Faraday bag that both has the regular Faraday material in it and the EMF material.

00:52:01.100 So your phone can ring, but you're still protected from those electronic pollution waves of EMF.

00:52:06.140 And we're also throwing in a free wrist protector to protect you from EMF from your smartwatch.

00:52:11.840 So, Steve, that's a free SAP phone, a free Faraday bag, and a free wrist protector, all at sat123.com forward slash Bannon.

00:52:18.640 Or you can call us at 941-841-0844, 941-841-0844.

00:52:25.080 But, Steve, very important that people understand this war.

00:52:27.920 We may be in a ceasefire, but we're not in a cyber ceasefire, Steve.

00:52:32.020 One more time.

00:52:33.380 Give me 20 seconds on.

00:52:34.780 There's more cyberattacks now daily in the United States than ever in history, correct?

00:52:39.040 Yes, that's correct.

00:52:40.560 And it's at 123.com forward slash Bannon.

00:52:43.520 Get your satellite phone.

00:52:44.620 Be prepared.

00:52:46.680 They run out, so do it right now.

00:52:49.540 They always put these are limited run offers.

00:52:52.140 Chris Hoare comes in when he's got something for us.

00:52:54.280 Take advantage of it, folks.

00:52:56.340 Chris Hoare, thank you, brother.

00:52:57.320 Appreciate you.

00:52:59.340 Warren Zeevon.

00:53:01.660 The werewolves of London.

00:53:04.160 Remember Warren Zeevon?

00:53:05.320 What a giant.

00:53:08.240 We'll see you back here at 5 o'clock tonight.

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Bannon's War Room - April 22, 2026

Episode 5319： Taking Down The SPLC

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