Bannon's War Room - April 30, 2026


Episode 5339： Hegseth Takes On The Senate


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00:00:00.000 Communities is hypocritical or morally corrupt. You doubled down again and said it. Words matter. Words matter. What you choose to say, how we choose to say it. How do you justify using this language as Secretary of Defense? Words matter. It's a hurt, historically hurtful term. Why do you continue to use it? And what actions are you taking to prevent rhetoric like this from permeating throughout the department that is going to target specific groups or individuals of people
00:00:29.680 based on their religion.
00:00:34.240 Senator, I feel like it's a pretty accurate term
00:00:36.760 for folks who don't see the plank in their own eye
00:00:39.200 and always want to see what's wrong with an operation
00:00:41.320 as opposed to the historic success of preventing Iran
00:00:43.800 from getting a nuclear weapon.
00:00:45.360 So I stand by it.
00:00:46.760 You stand by calling people Pharisees.
00:00:49.640 Sir, I cannot, I cannot stand for that.
00:00:54.260 That is wrong.
00:00:55.280 It is not respectful to people.
00:00:57.260 And I expect anyone who is in leadership in our country to be respectful and use respectful terms and not be an anti-Semite.
00:01:10.260 Well, Pete Hexas is an incompetent fool.
00:01:13.620 He is a misogynist and he's been trying to get rid of women's role in our military.
00:01:19.660 He obviously must have lost out a promotion to a female service members at some point and is, you know, on a personal vendetta.
00:01:26.860 But bottom line, in the testimony, he said, we are doing this to the highest male standard, as if there were only two standards in the military.
00:01:35.220 And in fact, the physical fitness standards are actually graduated based on age as well.
00:01:42.180 So a 40-year-old serviceman does not have to run the two miles as fast as an 18-year-old serviceman.
00:01:51.480 So it is also differentiated by age as well as by gender.
00:01:55.160 And frankly, you know, as someone who served in a combat arms branch, and I volunteered to serve in the first combat arms branch that actually accepted women into combat roles, which is as a helicopter pilot, you know, I know what the experience is.
00:02:10.480 I know that our women who have met those standards have met the standards.
00:02:14.620 They're doing their jobs.
00:02:16.300 They are actually out there participating and taking care of the business at hand.
00:02:21.200 And frankly, our nation's military could not go to war without its female service members.
00:02:25.860 And yet, Pete Husseth is on this personal vendetta.
00:02:28.860 In fact, he's fired every female four-star general and tried to stop the additional promotion of two African-American women generals from getting additional stars.
00:02:40.520 And that's why, you know, the former Army Chief of Staff quit.
00:02:44.300 brain. Axios is reporting that the CENTCOM commander, Admiral Bradley Cooper, is briefing
00:02:51.280 Trump on Iran options right now. These are two sources who spoke with Axios. A short and powerful
00:02:56.320 wave of strikes on Iran to break the negotiating deadlock, taking over part of the Strait of
00:03:01.440 Hormuz to reopen it to commercial shipping that would include ground operations. And the third
00:03:08.320 option, special forces operation to secure Iran's stockpile of highly enriched uranium. So,
00:03:15.640 Secretary, do you think any of those right now, given the stalemate that we are in, are wise
00:03:21.900 options? Well, I think that the White House and certainly the military leaders understand
00:03:36.060 that putting any boots on the ground or continuing any military action
00:03:42.280 is not going to be supported by the American people.
00:03:45.820 It's not going to be supported by the Congress.
00:03:48.780 And so the idea that suddenly we're going to go back to war
00:03:52.560 in order to ultimately arrive at some kind of solution here is crazy.
00:03:58.620 So the issue is going to be, what is it going to take?
00:04:02.220 I mean, the president himself has said so often within a couple of days, we'll end this war.
00:04:07.200 Within a couple of days, we'll end this war.
00:04:09.400 You can't end the war unless you're negotiating.
00:04:13.520 And right now, each side has decided they're waiting for the other side to blink.
00:04:19.140 It's time for negotiations.
00:04:21.420 It's time for the president to send representatives to Abbottabad to meet with Iran and negotiate on the Straits of Hormuz.
00:04:30.040 negotiate on the issue of nuclear and how to limit the nuclear capabilities and negotiate on
00:04:39.720 sanctions. That needs to be negotiated. That's the way it works. It's not just going to happen.
00:04:46.320 You can't throw a few more bombs at Iran and expect that that's going to work as well. What
00:04:52.460 you got to do is negotiate and come to an agreement to end the war, period.
00:04:57.980 the president has been very clear he said in the state of the union that essentially if his side
00:05:02.540 doesn't win then the election was rigged he said that before the 2020 election he's asked for voter
00:05:08.840 rolls for 29 different states he just asked for detroit's votes or ballots and we know that in
00:05:17.940 2020 he wrote an executive order that he didn't sign that said to the u.s military to the secretary
00:05:25.100 of Defense, you should go and seize ballots and voting machines. A few months ago, he said that
00:05:31.760 he regretted that he ever, that he didn't sign that executive order. So the U.S. military has
00:05:38.580 never been deployed. You incorrectly said yesterday that they were deployed during
00:05:44.340 different elections. Governors deployed them under their authorities, but the federal
00:05:49.040 government has never put the uniformed military at our polls during World War II, right after 9-11.
00:05:56.840 We've never had to do that. So Secretary Hegseth, if the president, who regrets not signing that
00:06:03.120 executive order to the then SECDEF in 2020, asks you to seize ballots or voting machines
00:06:10.180 in states during the 2026 election, will you stand up for the Constitution and say no,
00:06:16.060 or will you salute and do his bidding?
00:06:20.920 Senator, I didn't get a chance to answer the front part of your question,
00:06:24.360 which, you know, there was a lot of deferred maintenance under the Biden administration
00:06:27.460 that needed to be addressed because the world was in chaos when President Trump was elected.
00:06:31.740 Just address the election issue, please.
00:06:32.760 Well, again, that's another—
00:06:34.020 It's the most important thing. It's what's happening.
00:06:35.880 It's yet another gotcha hypothetical, which is your specialty.
00:06:39.800 It's not. We had an executive order.
00:06:41.700 It's my understanding that the definition of no quarter is that legitimate offers of surrender will be refused or that detainees will be executed.
00:06:57.680 Is that your understanding of the definition?
00:07:01.880 The only entity that would kill detainees or target civilians is the Iranians, and they're the ones being crushed.
00:07:08.040 It's the Iranian military and their military capabilities.
00:07:11.520 The question is, do you understand the definition that I just read you?
00:07:17.480 Because that's the definition from your department's law of war manual.
00:07:23.000 Is that your understanding?
00:07:24.720 And I'm going to just get to the point here.
00:07:26.500 We fight to win and we follow the law, Senator.
00:07:28.560 Okay, so your quote was, we will keep pushing, keep advancing, no quarter, no mercy for our enemies.
00:07:37.160 And yesterday you did not clarify whether you stand by this statement.
00:07:41.020 And so I'm going to give you another opportunity to clarify if that is what you meant.
00:07:47.900 Do you stand by that statement you made on March 13th?
00:07:52.720 We have untied the hands of our warfighters.
00:07:55.980 We fight to win and we follow the law.
00:07:58.800 OK, so you're not clarifying.
00:08:00.040 So you stand by that statement.
00:08:01.440 So you're the secretary of defense.
00:08:03.520 the things you say matter. And your response here, right now, makes it clear to the American
00:08:11.160 people exactly why you are not right for this job. It makes it clear to our enemies, Senator.
00:08:17.160 It's not a hypothetical. I refuse to accept. You give that answer all the time. You and I have
00:08:21.400 done this dance before. Get over it, okay? In 2020, he's the president, your boss, the guy
00:08:27.400 you're performing for right now, told the journalists this year that he wished he signed
00:08:32.920 that executive order to your predecessor and your predecessor said publicly thank god we didn't
00:08:38.440 actually go forward with it what are you going to do you're the guy here in the seat it's not
00:08:43.020 hypothetical tell the american people will you deploy the uniform military to our polls to
00:08:49.180 collect voter rolls or machines are you accusing me of performing because you're performing for
00:08:54.060 cable news right now but mr secretary we have it's a hypothetical by the way in 2024 under the
00:09:00.560 administration 15 states did deploy under their governor's authority when their governors asked
00:09:05.600 what did joe biden say that's fundamentally i don't think anything because he needed them for
00:09:09.560 cyber security and for covid trump did it too under trump but it was not the federal decision
00:09:15.340 it was those governors of the states under their authorities okay it's never been done in our
00:09:20.400 history please stand up for the constitution do not send uniform military to our polls
00:09:26.960 Do you have a response to that portion of the question, Mr. Secretary?
00:09:31.460 I've never been ordered to do anything illegal, and I won't.
00:09:35.300 Well, I think that direction from your behavior is an intense interest in Christianity, in nationalism,
00:09:45.800 and in not recognizing the talents of women and non-white gentlemen.
00:09:55.540 and that's the wrong direction.
00:09:57.720 I don't know what you're insinuating, Senator,
00:09:59.980 but I am not ashamed of my faith in Jesus Christ.
00:10:02.200 Well, you shouldn't be ashamed.
00:10:03.780 And if you want to shame me for it, go ahead.
00:10:05.680 I'm not shaming you, but are you critical of other faiths?
00:10:12.080 I am a believer.
00:10:13.200 I'm quite open in that,
00:10:14.380 and our department allows for a multitude of faiths,
00:10:16.560 so I don't know what you're suggesting.
00:10:18.340 I've heard the likes of things that people like you suggest
00:10:21.000 to try to smear up my character,
00:10:23.140 and I won't give in to it.
00:10:24.300 No.
00:10:25.540 I'm sorry, Mr. Secretary, but broadcasting before the national religious broadcasters, stressing the need for more Christianity in the military forces, doesn't seem like a neutral position in which you tolerate and accept all religions.
00:10:47.300 Jack Reed, I mean, I thought you were educated at West Point, brother.
00:10:51.500 it is thursday 30 april year of our lord 2026 you saw the circus and clown show was it jackie
00:11:01.900 rosen that opened that with what did she she was getting on pete for using pharisees i i we're
00:11:10.140 going to go back and play that clip again uh they are correct that the president did get briefed on
00:11:17.340 a range of options today. Sam Fadis can join us in a second. Let's go to the White House. Neil
00:11:21.900 McCabe, you were there. Put us in the room. It seemed like it was even hotter than yesterday, sir.
00:11:29.640 Yeah, really the same themes that we talked about at the House Armed Services Committee.
00:11:35.120 Rick Scott asked Hank Seth, sir, what are you most proud of? Senator Sullivan from Alaska
00:11:40.820 talked about the battle for the American Arctic. Senator Sheehy was saying, hey,
00:11:45.520 what about more funding for Special Operations Command? Meanwhile, Jackie Rosen is saying you're
00:11:50.860 an anti-Semite. Elizabeth Warren said you're guilty of insider trading. Reid said you're
00:11:56.720 a Christian nationalist. Slotkin said you're going to send troops to voting stations because you and
00:12:02.780 your president want a dictatorship. And it was much more personal, I thought, than yesterday.
00:12:09.840 and these guys came loaded for bear uh it was it was really something to behold and but again like
00:12:16.260 we said yesterday Hank Seth just took it right and uh he fought back uh he he was very I thought
00:12:23.680 he was very effective in his uh rebukes uh I was a little disappointed that Roger Wicker the chairman
00:12:30.080 of the of the committee he's supposed to be there to sort of like call I don't want to say civility
00:12:35.940 But I have seen chairman before sort of step in.
00:12:40.720 You'll see Grassley do it a lot.
00:12:42.780 Obviously, you've got to see.
00:12:45.280 Hang on. Hang on.
00:12:46.520 You're 100 percent correct.
00:12:48.200 And you're being a real gentleman there.
00:12:50.040 The purpose of the majority, particularly when they have the executive branch, is that the chairman is supposed to step in and provide air cover.
00:12:56.960 So you're not supposed to let his people be personally attacked.
00:13:00.360 Stay on the topic.
00:13:01.460 these attacks were personal and they were and they were so far off topic they were trying to
00:13:08.400 smear Pete Hegseth and Jack Reed I had to play it twice we played again this morning or we actually
00:13:14.020 played at the beginning when he was making those comments to go after the National Association of
00:13:19.420 Religious Broadcasters because Pete said there should be more you know we should get imbued
00:13:24.940 troops and people of faith, and make sure they have access to Christianity. There's nothing
00:13:32.940 wrong with that. And the National Association of Religious Broadcast is one of the best groups out
00:13:37.940 there. This is just, they attack, they attack, they attack, and never get to the substance.
00:13:44.540 It actually had very little substance on the Democratic side. The Republicans asked some
00:13:49.320 pretty good questions. But once again, Wicker did not stand in, did not step in and at least
00:13:54.680 shield the executive branch and the administration from unwarranted personal attacks. And that's what
00:14:02.240 this, that's 100% what it is. Okay. We're going to get Sam Faddis in this. We're going to talk
00:14:06.280 about the range of alternatives. Also, the president was open to the press this afternoon.
00:14:10.820 We're going to play that, break that all down. Caroline Wren is here with an update
00:14:14.440 on the all-important feckless, lazy, stupid, gutless
00:14:21.140 Republican rhino establishment.
00:14:24.340 They've known this is coming for months and months and months.
00:14:27.360 It should have come decades ago.
00:14:29.360 They're not ready for it.
00:14:30.800 They don't want to do it.
00:14:32.120 We've got 13 seats in the South that are available.
00:14:35.280 Easy pickings, 13 seats.
00:14:38.780 The Republican establishment already let Ford go in Virginia.
00:14:42.560 They're prepared to let, I don't know, a half a dozen or more go in the South.
00:14:47.100 We'll get to all that.
00:14:48.000 Caroline Wren is going to join us.
00:14:49.200 Short commercial break.
00:14:50.940 Back in the worm in a moment.
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00:16:34.920 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.
00:16:41.680 Sam Faddis, first off, what did you think of the Armed Services Hearing Day, Senate Armed Services Committee going after Pete Hexeth?
00:16:49.640 I thought even for this Congress and these Democrats, an absolutely epic display of jackassery.
00:17:02.980 I mean, we're in the middle of a war and there are plenty of actual important things to talk about.
00:17:11.500 And it is, I think you used the word circus, that's exactly it.
00:17:17.240 points that are non-points, stretching things into nothing. I don't know, we're in the middle
00:17:24.620 of combat, but it is now something to be ashamed of, to believe in God, and to promote faith, and
00:17:32.180 just horrifying, and I'm sure we're going to see lots more of it.
00:17:39.280 And this is the party that wants to take a charge in November.
00:17:43.580 remember this the best advertisement against them is just uh is just to um continue to show
00:17:51.360 them as they are because they only have so much time to ask questions can i play the jackie rosen
00:17:55.960 can we play that again it was so over the top denver let's go and play jackie rosen and the
00:18:01.900 pharisee morally corrupt you doubled down again and said it words matter words matter what you
00:18:11.360 choose to say how we choose to say it how do you justify using this language as secretary of
00:18:17.200 defense words matter it's a hurt historically hurtful term why do you continue to use it and
00:18:23.940 what actions are you taking to prevent rhetoric like this from permeating throughout the department
00:18:28.400 that is going to target specific groups or individuals of people based on their religion
00:18:34.860 senator i feel like it's a pretty accurate term to for folks who don't see the plank in their own
00:18:41.920 eye and always want to see what's wrong with an operation as opposed to the historic success of
00:18:46.160 preventing iran from getting a nuclear weapon so i stand by it you stand by calling people pharisees
00:18:52.100 sir i cannot i cannot stand for that that is wrong it is not respectful to people and i expect
00:19:01.120 anyone who is in leadership
00:19:03.260 in our country
00:19:05.020 to be respectful
00:19:07.600 and use respectful
00:19:09.500 terms and not be
00:19:11.580 an anti-Semite.
00:19:14.760 Wow,
00:19:15.580 is Pharisee?
00:19:17.200 I must have missed
00:19:19.720 that one. Sam, help
00:19:21.500 me out here. Is Pharisee
00:19:23.720 a hate term, sir?
00:19:25.460 I guess
00:19:27.540 she's looking out for the sensibilities
00:19:29.360 of a certain sect of Jewish priests.
00:19:32.660 I don't know what exactly.
00:19:35.860 It's just so ludicrous that at points when I was watching that,
00:19:41.760 I thought, you've got to be putting me on.
00:19:44.080 This has to be a shtick.
00:19:45.520 You have to be pretending.
00:19:47.400 You are making yourself look so ludicrous.
00:19:51.140 That's what, when I was watching, I had to look it up.
00:19:53.300 A Pharisee, Sadducee, had the Sanhedrin.
00:19:56.400 I didn't know it was a hateful term.
00:19:59.360 So let's hold that for a second, and we're going to get to the president.
00:20:03.660 But, Sam, you heard also the senator sitting there just accusing, or it was the former Secretary of Defense, Panetta, who was saying,
00:20:15.020 you have to get to the negotiating table, you have to have diplomacy, you have to have negotiation.
00:20:20.460 Well, if the other side is not prepared to negotiate, it's a little bit like Vietnam there for a while.
00:20:25.680 You're going to have to come along and get them focused.
00:20:29.060 No one wants to go back to the kinetic side of this, but right now they're not prepared to negotiate.
00:20:35.060 They're not prepared to clean up the situation around their nuclear weapons or make a commitment.
00:20:39.400 They're not. The pirates down in Hormuz got a pretty good gig going.
00:20:43.140 They're getting a main or two for the first time.
00:20:46.220 Hey, and they're not even having to take it in crypto or in Chinese yuan anymore.
00:20:50.300 It's good old U.S. dollars, and people are lined up to pay it.
00:20:53.920 So President Trump is going to have a range of alternatives.
00:20:57.120 Some of those alternatives are going to be kinetic, and none of us, particularly guys like you that spent a big part of your life there, and myself that was over there, none of us are enthusiastic about being over there and having the troops over there, but we are where we are, Brother Faddis.
00:21:15.200 Yeah, look, as I've been saying for some time, there's really nothing to talk about with these guys right now because they're not prepared to discuss the things that we need them to discuss.
00:21:25.600 They don't think they're losing. They think time is on their side.
00:21:29.860 We are turning the screws now on them by blockading and taking other measures.
00:21:35.700 As you know, we're going to, in my firm belief, you're going to have to turn those screws a lot more before you get to the table.
00:21:44.240 Sitting down right now with them is not just a waste of time. It's a sign of weakness.
00:21:49.760 It's a sign that we want it more than they do.
00:21:52.200 Yes, exactly. They're not prepared to listen.
00:21:55.280 If you follow Panetta's recommendation, nothing's going to happen,
00:22:03.640 and anything that does happen is going to be pro and unfavorable to them
00:22:07.060 because they're not listening right now.
00:22:08.980 It's a huge sign of weakness.
00:22:10.740 That's what they're waiting for, somebody to take Panetta's.
00:22:13.020 So this is what you got.
00:22:14.140 The Democrats have nothing but Loserville as far as alternatives go.
00:22:20.400 Neil McCabe, your thoughts on Admiral Cooper gave the range of alternatives today
00:22:25.020 to the president. I noticed that it was leaked, that it was definitely Cooper. The president seems
00:22:30.880 to, he's really risen ever since, for the whole operation. But CENCOM, I think the way the Navy
00:22:37.260 under CENCOM as a combatant commander has pulled off this blockade, really has the president
00:22:43.680 pretty excited. Your thoughts on the range of alternatives, Neil McKay.
00:22:47.600 yes steve i think that you have uh the oil facilities at kurag island you have all the
00:22:55.560 smaller islands around the strait of hermos which would be where the mosquito boats and the drones
00:23:01.540 are coming from and so those are your two sort of military targets unless you go after tehran itself
00:23:07.540 i did notice that uss boxer was hanging out in guam in the sulu sea but uh today on divids
00:23:15.640 They posted that Boxer is now underway again, and so I'm just waiting to see when Boxer chops into the Fifth Fleet because Boxer has the amphibious, those hovercraft, landing crafts, and that's really its stock and trade, whereas Tripoli has the Marine F-35s, it has the attack helicopters, and they're the ones who are actually going after the boats and boarding the boats.
00:23:40.320 but i would say that the boxer group is more a ground offensive or amphibious landing group
00:23:45.800 and so we'll see how that happens it's interesting after all this talk of a ceasefire and sort of
00:23:51.680 letting the block we were told a few days ago hey just prepare for this blockade to go for a while
00:23:56.760 also we're coming up on the deadline of the war powers act not that anybody you know in the white
00:24:02.040 house takes that seriously but they do sort of watch it and we're coming up on day 60 the president
00:24:07.500 can make a statement to Congress to give himself another 30 days. But there's also talk,
00:24:13.140 administration officials have been quoted. There are other people on Capitol Hill who say that the
00:24:18.280 ceasefire itself stops the clock for the 60 days for the War Powers Act. So they actually are
00:24:26.560 thinking that they have more time. And so we'll just see how it plays out. Steve.
00:24:30.900 go back to that for a second neil just let people know um the war powers act by the way that i'm not
00:24:38.880 sure i will say this i don't think 100 percent that president trump and people around certain
00:24:47.660 people around president trump think the war powers act is in effect in this i happen to believe the
00:24:55.880 War Powers Act is unconstitutional. It's never been challenged, right? But I think in this case,
00:25:03.360 you might see a challenge to it. But in the War Powers Act, if you did believe in the War Powers
00:25:08.060 Act as a framework, what happens in 60 days, you need to do what? In 60 days, you either pop smoke
00:25:16.900 and bring the boys home, or you say, hey, this thing is a little hot right now. I'm going to
00:25:22.320 need 30 more days so in effect everyone talks about 60 days in practical matter the war powers
00:25:28.480 act is 90 days but then there's also this theory a legal theory that a ceasefire sort of pauses
00:25:34.660 that clock and i don't mean to say that trump accepts that the war powers act is constitutional
00:25:40.020 he no president has done it and in fact it was passed over nixon's veto however yes people in
00:25:46.480 the administration including caroline levitt have meant to have they're aware of the clock that's
00:25:51.800 all i wanted to say steve about that yeah no no that i think was great i think it's great that
00:25:56.160 you that you did that sam uh neil mccay brings a good point the boxer looks like it's underway
00:26:02.500 uh if the president want to have a wider range of military and paramilitary alternatives
00:26:08.680 that include something more than strategic bombing that we tried the first time uh he would uh he
00:26:16.520 would make sure he waited and got all those elements in place, sir? Yeah, 100%. But I'm
00:26:26.360 presuming, based on what we see deployed, that anything that involves guys on the ground inside
00:26:34.600 Iran will be very limited and very short duration. I mean, in the scheme of things on a strategic
00:26:42.720 level we don't still we still have nowhere near the the actual troops in in the region to
00:26:51.100 to do anything serious on the ground inside iran and i hope i was thinking i was thinking along
00:26:57.000 along the lines of around the room i'm not advocating this but i'm saying if you had to have
00:27:02.260 some elements available for the room around hormuz and maybe some oil facilities or do just
00:27:07.480 to give yourself a range of alternatives
00:27:09.560 like it looked like Guillermo Cooper talked today.
00:27:12.720 Yeah, 100%.
00:27:13.600 And look, we've already seen with the air crew down,
00:27:16.940 you know, a few weeks ago, whenever that was,
00:27:19.580 I mean, we had to deploy a significant number of guys
00:27:21.980 in order to get those folks out.
00:27:25.580 So you need those folks in theater
00:27:28.000 for a whole bunch of contingencies.
00:27:31.380 Sam, why don't you hang on?
00:27:32.660 Neil, if you could hang on at the White House.
00:27:34.380 We're going to play a couple of clips
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00:29:52.040 text bannon b-a-n-n-o-n to 989898 and do it today uh if we didn't have that b-2 bomber if
00:30:00.520 we didn't go in and do what we did we obliterated that nuclear capacity of theirs and so they never
00:30:08.120 they didn't get the nuclear bomb if we didn't do that attack should have been done long before i
00:30:13.240 came along by other presidents or by another country or something but it should have been done
00:30:18.680 long before i came along but they are in uh very bad shape and they've got nothing going including
00:30:27.160 leadership i mean you know their leaders are gone now they have a hold of their first string leaders
00:30:32.440 are gone their second string leaders are gone now we're dealing with their third strength
00:30:36.600 really great yeah and that's going to carry forward look the country's doing really well
00:30:41.480 and that's despite a military operation i don't call it a war would you rather have the military
00:30:47.720 operation where really i mean iran is dying to make a deal i can only tell you that i don't want
00:30:56.080 to get into the but they gotta they cannot be nuclear other than that but they are their navy
00:31:03.500 is gone their air force is gone every ounce of any form of equipment practically is gone you know
00:31:10.000 their their drone factories are about 82 percent down and their missile factories are almost 90
00:31:17.380 percent down and many of their missiles have been knocked out between they use some but we knocked
00:31:23.860 out more than they use and it's pretty it's pretty amazing what's happened they want to make a deal
00:31:28.560 but despite the fact that we are in what some people would call a war we just hit a new high
00:31:33.660 today on the stock market we have uh s and p is through the roof they're all i mean they're through
00:31:40.100 the roof john thune's a good man i i said to him john just go take the vote let's expose who the
00:31:46.520 people are. But, you know, if we got rid of the filibuster, we could vote on the Save America
00:31:52.680 Act, voter ID. You know, you act so good. I love this. He's a great guy. Even though I don't love
00:31:58.740 his girlfriend too much, okay? I won't tell you who's a girlfriend. But I like him, and I've always
00:32:04.760 liked him. It's great that he hasn't changed. But, Brian, I think here's the problem. It's not even
00:32:13.320 imaginable to me why and people are angry about it people are i'm talking about republicans are
00:32:19.220 angry about it the filibuster should be terminated if the democrats ever get a shot which probably
00:32:25.480 based on history sometime they will they will use it in the first minute of the first hour
00:32:31.380 and they will execute all of the bad things 21 justice you know they really like 21
00:32:37.000 i heard 13 but they really want 21 supreme court justices and they really want to have dc
00:32:43.280 and Puerto Rico become states.
00:32:45.860 That would mean automatic
00:32:47.240 four senators go into the Democrat
00:32:49.500 column. And there's
00:32:51.680 not even a chance that they don't do it
00:32:53.620 and do it immediately. Now, with
00:32:55.720 that knowledge, because you could argue whether it's
00:32:57.640 good or bad, but I don't think it's that much of an
00:32:59.640 argument, frankly. But you could argue
00:33:01.560 with that knowledge that
00:33:03.660 they're going to do it immediately, why
00:33:05.500 wouldn't you do it as a Republican?
00:33:08.240 Unless you have bad motives,
00:33:09.640 almost. But if we did it,
00:33:11.800 We could pass one bill after the other.
00:33:15.380 We could pass laws and acts and things that we never even dreamt of passing.
00:33:21.320 And you know what else?
00:33:22.600 We wouldn't lose for 50 years.
00:33:24.660 You know, if we passed, if we terminated the filibuster, we would have a 50-year run.
00:33:31.560 You'd stop cheating.
00:33:32.920 I mean, look, they're professional cheats, and they're great at it.
00:33:37.660 That's what they're best at, because you can't get elected with their policy.
00:33:40.520 You can't get elected with men and women's sports, with transgender mutilization of our children, with open borders for jails to be dropped into our country, and mental institutions, and drug dealers, and murderers.
00:33:56.080 Think of it, 11,888 murderers come into our country, nobody even talks to them about it, right?
00:34:01.560 We got a lot of them out because of, you know what, because of ICE, which they don't want to fund.
00:34:07.760 They're defunding our police.
00:34:09.180 When they defund ICE and with Border Patrol and Secret Service, they're defunding our police.
00:34:15.520 The same thing as they're doing with an officer on the street corner.
00:34:19.620 So why the Republicans' Senate doesn't just sit in there and just do it and take a negative vote and do it again and again like the Democrats did?
00:34:31.080 Because we want to get the nuclear dust.
00:34:33.340 It's way down there.
00:34:34.260 You need excavators and everything to get it.
00:34:36.240 But we want to get it.
00:34:37.680 we'll take it one way or the other we'll get it we'll either get it or we'll take it they'll either
00:34:41.920 give it to us or we'll take it but i think it's very disrespectful to our incredible military
00:34:47.500 when they say maybe they missed the target every single bomb
00:34:52.400 john thune about the senate neil mccabe the brutal reality the president keeps talking about this
00:35:02.300 we got to do the talking we're so far away from the senate doing that and i wish somebody on
00:35:06.500 president's staff would inform him of that. We're not even close to that. John Thune and the
00:35:12.520 McConnell-backed operation is treating President Trump like he's a lame duck. So I think we've got
00:35:19.060 to get some information here. We don't have 51 votes to pass anything. We don't have 60,
00:35:24.040 but we should have 27, Mr. President, and that will replace John Thune. I think that is what
00:35:28.940 you need to do. Just like you're looking at a range of alternatives to get the attention of
00:35:34.600 the mullahs and the whatever ayatollah's left whatever the mullahs are left in the persian
00:35:41.500 revolutionary guard whatever the is left of this we're going to get a come along a u.s navy or
00:35:47.960 air force come along to get their attention you're going to have to get the attention of the senate
00:35:53.140 they're no different than the mullahs they're set in their ways and they're fighting you on every
00:36:00.440 aspect the save america act please you know people call it came the other day oh we gotta
00:36:05.300 get save america we are the network the channel that covered the save america first round until
00:36:11.640 11 or 12 a night neil you were doing the coverage it you had mike lee you had uh you had schmidt of
00:36:19.940 of missouri you had a couple three others that was it it was purely performative i'm not blaming
00:36:25.520 them. They tried. There was no interest of Thune. He's gotten zero interest. There is zero interest
00:36:31.500 up there going to a talking filibuster. And so we can sit here and continue to complain about it,
00:36:37.980 or we can take some action. The action that would probably work is removing Thune as leader,
00:36:43.380 because you've got 27 votes. You can craft that together. Neil McCabe, particularly today,
00:36:49.760 when Wicker just sat there and let Pete Hexeth get eaten alive by these Democrats. Actually,
00:36:55.720 it was not. Pete gave as good as he got. But there was no air cover. This is what lack of
00:37:01.520 respect they have for the Trump administration and the Trump team fighting this war. Wicker
00:37:07.600 never came in and provided any cover for Pete Hexeth. He let him sit there and take it from
00:37:14.120 these Democrats for hours. Because you know why? That's what McConnell and Thune want.
00:37:20.440 Neal McCabe, your thoughts, sir. Yeah, you're talking about the numbers. You eliminate the
00:37:26.640 filibuster with 51 votes. It's a quick change of the Senate rules. They've made 10 changes to the
00:37:32.400 filibuster. Used to be 66 votes. I mean, it's ridiculous to say that there's something sacred
00:37:38.540 about the filibuster. It's not in the constitution at all. 51 votes and it's gone. And the 27 votes
00:37:45.840 is important because the majority leader has tremendous power. He runs the Senate. In a lot
00:37:51.840 of ways, he's more powerful than the speaker, but it's a party position. It's not a constitutional
00:37:57.200 position. That's why he's not in the chain of succession. It's the Republican Senate conference
00:38:02.700 votes for their party leader. And that's Thune. And, you know, he almost didn't win.
00:38:08.200 He was not unanimous. I'm not sure how many votes Rick Scott got, but it was very much contested
00:38:15.060 because it was Cornyn, Scott and Thune. So it's not like this was by acclamation. Thune is hanging
00:38:21.440 on by the skin of his teeth. And obviously, if they lose the Senate, he's gone. There's just no
00:38:26.460 way they can keep him steve well if you know to know to uh all the fundraisers and all the donors
00:38:33.700 if you continue on no grassroots going to go out and knock on doors statewide you're going to lose
00:38:39.900 the senate because people detest the senate right now they don't see the power of having it so if
00:38:45.660 you keep down this path you're going to lose it so you got a choice either get rid of thune now
00:38:49.000 and try to regroup to try to regroup or just go down the road to perdition which you're heading
00:38:54.500 down. Sam Faddis, you wear two hats, sir, former CIA and know Iran and the Persians better than
00:39:01.240 anybody. You're also one of the grassroots leaders of Pennsylvania. How did that, how did the, how
00:39:05.700 did that set with you, sir, what the president had to say? Well, picking up where you guys just left
00:39:12.720 off, I mean, the way I look at it is we got a democratic party in this country that is
00:39:17.540 increasingly a Marxist entity. Then we have an America First MAGA party, which is where
00:39:26.060 all the energy and all the power on the GOP side is. And then separate and distinct from MAGA,
00:39:34.340 America First, whatever you want to call it, we've got a GOP establishment that doesn't represent
00:39:41.720 the vast majority of the people in the Republican Party, certainly doesn't represent MAGA,
00:39:46.480 It doesn't speak for the folks that got Donald Trump into the White House.
00:39:53.660 So people are sitting here waiting for these Republican senators to do the right thing.
00:40:01.140 And the unfortunate truth is that a whole bunch of them are not on our side.
00:40:07.600 It's not just a difference of opinion on issues.
00:40:10.760 They're on another team.
00:40:12.460 And what they really want is to wait this out for Trump to go away and hope that MAGA dies.
00:40:18.960 That's what they're looking for.
00:40:20.360 Amen. Amen.
00:40:22.280 So what do we do?
00:40:23.540 I mean, the president, someone's got to tell the president they're not, they're treating you like a lame duck.
00:40:28.140 There's no, there's talking about discussions of the talking filibuster are not relevant right now.
00:40:32.800 We're so far away from that.
00:40:35.100 The Save America Act did not get any traction.
00:40:38.420 I had well-meaning people this week saying, hey, you got to get into Save America.
00:40:41.160 I go, whoa, what are you talking about?
00:40:43.360 They dismissed that and then went on a two-week Easter break.
00:40:46.660 We've got to regroup here.
00:40:48.200 And you've got to regroup around, you have to make Thune the issue, because Thune is the issue.
00:40:54.060 He's standing between the president and action, and the loss of the Senate is going to be on the senators themselves, Sam Faddis, because they refuse to act, sir.
00:41:07.900 Yeah, 100 percent.
00:41:09.280 And let's be blunt.
00:41:11.160 a lot of these establishment guys would rather lose to the democrats than allow maggot to gain
00:41:17.160 power i mean we see that at the state level in pennsylvania all the time they'd rather a
00:41:21.480 democratic legislator got into office than actually have an america first guy take take that position
00:41:27.880 so what do we have to do i mean we have to say that out loud and throw down on that and stop
00:41:33.560 pretending otherwise you know you want to if you want to be a republican senator and you want to
00:41:39.080 stand up to the people that put Donald Trump in office, and you want to do that in the light of
00:41:45.420 day and say that out loud, okay, then let's get to it. But we're going to take away your capacity
00:41:53.660 to pretend otherwise. This is where we are. We are the people. We are the majority. We're the
00:42:01.380 people that put this guy in the White House, and we're calling you out. Now, again, you want to
00:42:06.520 throw down, let's do
00:42:08.600 that. They, of course, don't have the courage for
00:42:10.540 that. What they want to do is
00:42:12.380 continue to be able to hide in the shadows,
00:42:15.120 pretend otherwise.
00:42:18.880 Sam, where do people go
00:42:20.620 for Ann Magazine and
00:42:22.100 for your social media, sir?
00:42:25.460 Ann Magazine at
00:42:26.480 Substack, and
00:42:27.500 magazine.substack.com, and I'm on
00:42:30.420 X and every place else
00:42:32.500 as real Sam Faddis.
00:42:34.040 sam thank you so much for doing this appreciate you we're going to see in a moment about how real
00:42:41.560 the republican establishment is you would think that they would be ready to go in the south
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00:45:35.220 okay welcome back um caroline wren uh i think we lit a fuse here people responding my phone's
00:45:48.300 been blown up all day folks want to know what they can do to effectuate the uncont to change
00:45:56.880 the unconstitutional congressional districts that are out there this is why i don't understand why
00:46:01.220 the GOP establishment that all yammers all they do is yammer about the constitution they're on
00:46:07.640 Fox they're loving the constitution they stand up for the constitution they're going to do this well
00:46:11.840 the Supreme Court of these United States have come out and said this DEI gerrymandering is
00:46:18.400 unconstitutional it's got to stop and there's methods to stop it but the establishment is like
00:46:24.440 oh well I think we can get to this for 28 just give it take give me the temperature of what's
00:46:29.420 going on? Because you've got people that are aggressive like Ron DeSantis, and then you've
00:46:33.340 got people that, like even in Louisiana, it should be 6-0 maximalist. This is what Hakeem
00:46:39.480 Jeffries is going to do. Why are we being such wimps, ma'am?
00:46:44.200 Well, tradition mostly. But I will say my phone has been blowing up too. People are worked up.
00:46:50.700 They are not going to accept that you just sit on the sidelines and don't address this
00:46:55.900 redistricting. And I know that they are blowing up the phones of these different states. And it's
00:47:00.200 because the Supreme Court ruling that we've all been waiting for, we all knew what's coming,
00:47:04.560 but it finally writes the wrong of race-based gerrymandering. And so these states should not
00:47:10.120 wait until 2028. Some are saying, oh, well, you know, we have to wait till 2030 per federal court.
00:47:16.620 This is what Governor Ivey said. No, we're not waiting. The Supreme Court came out,
00:47:20.420 so this is unconstitutional. And so the people should not have to vote in unconstitutional
00:47:25.100 districts, period, full stop. And any governor telling you otherwise is wrong and we have to
00:47:31.420 challenge them. And right now, you know, President Trump is taking this seriously. The White House
00:47:35.100 is taking it seriously. I know President Trump's been on the phone all day calling governors about
00:47:39.360 this. He called Governor Bill Lee and was able to get him to move on this. And so we're waiting
00:47:45.080 to see exactly what that means. But President Trump said he had a very positive conversation.
00:47:49.000 And look, President Trump's the best dealmaker in history. So far be it for me to think that
00:47:54.020 him and Governor Lee just chatted up about the weather and didn't come to a resolution about
00:47:58.560 doing redistricting. So, you know, President Trump is making calls on this. There's no reason why
00:48:03.660 we at home shouldn't be as well. But hang on, this is what it's taking. Because Bill Lee for,
00:48:09.280 you know, over a day was saying nothing. It was Blackburn running for governor that said she would
00:48:16.320 do it. Well, that's great, but that's not going to happen until the next cycle. Bill Lee was quiet
00:48:20.560 until the president lit him up correct yeah he was posting pictures the last 24 hours touring
00:48:26.340 some state park and i was like with all due respect governor we just had a massive landmark
00:48:30.520 supreme court ruling that directly affects your state so if you could you know take a little time
00:48:34.880 away from the state park tours and address this that would be great um you know but luckily that's
00:48:41.020 why i mean president trump sitting there and calling these folks is what it takes which is
00:48:44.500 it is very annoying that the president in the united states has to call them to see action but
00:48:48.840 that's just where we are. I tell you what, let me get Mike Lindell here. I want to get you back.
00:48:56.120 You'll be at top of six. I want to go through state by state. In fact, can we put up, I want
00:49:00.980 to chart. You're saying there's actually 23 seats, including the ones that we've already taken down
00:49:07.680 in places like Florida and in Texas, but totally in this cycle, the pickup total should be 23 seats,
00:49:16.240 ma'am yes it is and that that's just what is left it could be more than that if you know states like
00:49:22.100 indiana hadn't botched this um and so we there's several more that you could pick up because of
00:49:27.380 this bra ruling in 2028 a couple of them have like dem governors who would veto it but it could be
00:49:33.400 challenged in court now a court challenge is not going to uh give a remedy ahead of the 2026 um
00:49:39.960 election and so i think you know total it could be as many as 28 29 seats we'll we'll see but
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00:49:58.120 is why when we went to texas and virginia we're saying hey look don't don't don't black pill the
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00:52:15.280 Mike Lindell, I want to thank you so much.
00:52:19.120 Keep that voice.
00:52:21.060 Yep.
00:52:21.460 Caroline Wren, we're going to go through these.
00:52:22.880 Thank you, brother.
00:52:23.840 We're going to go through these.
00:52:25.180 We'll see you tomorrow morning.
00:52:27.200 Six o'clock hour is upon us.
00:52:29.040 Caroline Wren is going to stick around.
00:52:30.600 we're going to go through the states 23 seats why do you think mark alias these guys are a total
00:52:37.200 meltdown this was a monumental ruling by the supreme court of the united states everybody
00:52:43.460 talks about what you got you know got to work i get these supreme court just look they delivered
00:52:47.080 six three six three in an alito opinion what's better than that come on we need to show them
00:52:55.620 some respect and it shouldn't take have to take a phone call from president trump to a guy like
00:53:02.500 lee in tennessee another squish to get the ball rolling but that's what's taking like president
00:53:08.140 trump didn't have enough on his plate he's trying to run a freaking war
00:53:10.740 unbelievable un un unbelievable okay stick around next hour of war rooms upon us
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