Bannon's War Room - May 01, 2026


Episode 5340： Redistricting Spreads Across The US; May Day And Continued Rise Of Marxism In America


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In the wake of the Supreme Court's ruling on partisan gerrymandering in Florida and across the country, Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-cortez and CNN's own Chris Brown are joined by Alicia Keys to discuss how to respond.

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00:00:00.000 Donald Trump kicked off this redistricting war a year ago, it was all him, in an attempt to fortify a Republican majority in Congress, to kind of insulate it from the voters.
00:00:09.460 And then Democrats responded by asking voters in California and Virginia to bring things back to par, basically literally just return to an even playing field so that neither party had an advantage.
00:00:19.500 And now, of course, because Republicans cannot tolerate an even playing field, the Trump Supreme Court just helped start a new, even more egregious round of gerrymandering.
00:00:29.700 Republicans are once again rigging things at lightning speed with no input from voters.
00:00:35.480 So just yesterday, the Florida legislature in one day passed new maps that carve up Democratic districts to create up to four new Republican seats.
00:00:43.260 We're now waiting on Louisiana, Mississippi, Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, where Republicans have all indicated their desires to seize more power for their party.
00:00:53.640 The current map and the proposed map, you can see the proposed map gets much redder.
00:00:57.680 nothing is guaranteed the voters still get a say but here's my question there was reticence from
00:01:03.940 florida to do this for a long time even though they have a trifecta and they've got super 0.91
00:01:08.080 majorities so why did they turn on a dime and do it in one day because ron desantis is sucking up
00:01:14.600 to donald trump i mean the fact is this may very well backfire on republicans i don't think there's
00:01:19.600 a member of the house uh conference from florida that wanted this you know they're they're settled
00:01:25.260 with an unpopular president. They see what the special elections and the off-year elections
00:01:30.760 have brought. And so this may wind up backfiring on them. But for Ron DeSantis' standpoint,
00:01:35.760 what he is doing is saying, OK, Donald Trump, you want us to gerrymander? You want us to be extreme?
00:01:41.260 You want us to disenfranchise minority voters? We can do it all like that. And by the way, Chris, 1.00
00:01:46.120 it's in direct violation, direct violation of a state constitutional provision that bans
00:01:51.980 partisan gerrymandering. I mean, it was put in the Constitution by the people of Florida
00:01:56.400 as a valid measure. Republicans, after it was put in, tried to cheat after the 2010 cycle
00:02:02.940 census. I sued. We won. We got a redraw. Now we're back. They're doing it again,
00:02:08.860 and we're going to sue again. Absolutely right in this regard. So there are these moments that
00:02:12.740 are explicit about the agenda that is being pursued here, Alicia. But, you know, as you were
00:02:18.520 talking i guess i kept thinking about what the demo how we ought to respond to this right and i
00:02:24.600 kept thinking about you know people were telling the democrats expecting the democrats to pass
00:02:29.600 the john lewis voting rights advancement act to deal with the gutting of of of the voting rights
00:02:37.540 act with regards to pre-clearance anticipation of of uh of section two but people were hiding
00:02:44.520 behind Joe Manchin. It wasn't just Joe Manchin blocking it. There were some other Democrats
00:02:50.160 behind it blocking it. So part of what I'm suggesting, if we're telling a story that's
00:02:54.320 true, it seems to me that the Democrats need to put forward an agenda, a program, a response,
00:03:01.840 a programmatic response that is at scale to what we are experiencing. And that's going to require
00:03:09.200 are naming what you've just laid out, right? And being honest about what we're, what we're
00:03:14.480 encountering, uh, instead of, uh, shall we say, um, uh, rhetorical gestures.
00:03:21.540 Now I want to go to Louisiana where something really crazy happened today. They are already
00:03:26.280 voting in Louisiana. Okay. They have already started early voting for the primaries in that
00:03:31.640 state for their congressional districts. The governor, Republican governor Landry, Jeff Landry,
00:03:37.160 declared a state of emergency today. The emergency, unclear what the emergency is,
00:03:44.900 there's not a hurricane, to stop the primary elections and hereby suspend them so they can
00:03:50.520 draw another map. We have word that two voters have already sued against that. What do you make
00:03:56.040 of what's happening in Louisiana? Yeah, first of all, that won't be the last lawsuit. I'll just
00:04:00.480 announce first on this program there will be more litigation coming in the near future. But look,
00:04:06.180 I think that we need to understand this as both a redistricting story, but also as a democracy story.
00:04:11.020 The redistricting story is very clear, which is that the state of Louisiana is trying to cancel these elections so that they can gerrymander and disenfranchise black voters.
00:04:22.300 But the larger democracy story, Chris, and I think you got it exactly right, is the governor has declared a state of emergency to cancel, to suspend an ongoing election.
00:04:33.000 Yeah.
00:04:33.480 That he does not like the direction in which it's going.
00:04:36.100 Now, I wonder, Chris, when we get to next November, when we get to the general election, whether or not we will have, for example, a president of the United States who will think he can do this.
00:04:46.460 And if if we do not sort of put a stake in the ground now and say that you do not get to declare an emergency and suspend voting and sort of restart things because you don't like how things are going.
00:04:58.160 If we don't do that now, it's not going to make it easier for us to do it in November.
00:05:02.560 yeah if you look i mean there's hardball and then there's like authoritarianism and there's a line
00:05:07.800 between them right it's like if you will you know for instance like you know what what they you know
00:05:12.560 thank you denver uh no we can't do it now we are doing it now um because it's unconstitutional
00:05:21.080 you guys have rigged this thing with this phony voting rights act for decade after decade after
00:05:27.800 decade after decade and people were too gutless to challenge it in the south it got challenged
00:05:33.960 and it cratered 6-3 this was not close and alito buried you alex degras let's go around the horn
00:05:42.080 first off what's your response to their general and they are in meltdown like i have not seen
00:05:47.340 because they understand they cannot stop the only thing you can stop us is ourselves
00:05:52.600 There's nothing they can do, folks.
00:05:54.700 Go ahead, Alex.
00:05:56.240 Yeah, that's right, Steve.
00:05:57.000 I think, like, obviously they're in total freefall because I think if you look at the map and where seats will be able to shift, because this is super important for the posse and those out there conversing with folks is, you know, they have been gerrymandering for decades, not only just through taking advantage of the Voting Rights Section of the Voting Rights Act, but also obviously in all of these blue states.
00:06:18.100 So we have way more seats that Republican states can pick up because not just of the VRA issue, but of just the fact that we haven't necessarily gerrymandered as much as they have.
00:06:28.800 I mean, that's just an objective fact.
00:06:30.420 I mean, studies have shown that to be the case.
00:06:32.700 You look at obviously New England, you look at California, even before, Steve.
00:06:37.020 So I think it's important to really back up and look, OK, 2020, 2022, we were on the show.
00:06:42.000 We were hammering states who were redistricting through the normal process.
00:06:44.720 And one of the real ways the Democrats obviously rigged this thing in some of these blue states is they've got these phony commissions, Steve, and we used to talk about that.
00:06:52.200 I mean, I used to be in the room.
00:06:53.060 I was in leadership, Steve.
00:06:54.180 Remember those days?
00:06:55.260 You know, many people on our side said, hey, look, a commission's better than the state legislator.
00:06:58.920 We take what we can get, blah, blah, blah.
00:07:00.460 We move on.
00:07:01.140 And see, these commissions totally got – the whole thing is rigged.
00:07:04.340 You look at New Jersey.
00:07:05.360 You look at New York.
00:07:06.320 You look at, obviously, in California where they had a commission.
00:07:09.580 Again, this is important.
00:07:10.740 the original California map was even more gerrymandered based off vote chair than the
00:07:16.420 quote unquote gerrymandered current Texas map. OK, before Newsom jammed this thing through. So
00:07:21.540 these guys are total frauds. You know, Obama obviously one day is pushing for the gerrymander 0.93
00:07:25.840 in Virginia. The next day he's having a meltdown on racial matters. All of this is coordinated.
00:07:30.940 All of this is coming from the top of the most powerful rings of the Democrat Party
00:07:35.140 because they see this as a grave threat to their power base because this whole thing
00:07:39.480 is collapsing. On the basis of the Constitution, you look at Kagan's response, 60 pages, 30 of it
00:07:46.680 is just spew opinion. It's really important. A very smart lawyer just mentioned that obviously
00:07:51.620 they had been slow walking in this thing, which, you know, worm, I think, had broke the news on
00:07:55.480 that, which is clear just on the surface if you read her response, which has nothing to do with
00:08:00.360 anything, right? And they're just wasting time. And so that's the moment we're at now, Steve,
00:08:04.960 where you've got, you know, they've gone to the Supreme Court, which we need the Supreme Court
00:08:08.460 to clear the decks now immediately.
00:08:10.620 That's something that needs to happen.
00:08:11.740 Push it back to the states
00:08:12.720 so that states can move through
00:08:13.960 so this thing doesn't get held up
00:08:15.380 so that other states following Louisiana
00:08:17.620 can move this thing through 0.99
00:08:18.760 because it's going to be a fight for inches
00:08:20.520 and a fight for every, you know, 0.69
00:08:22.100 really like centimeter.
00:08:23.120 I mean, this thing is going to be
00:08:24.160 some of the most toughest
00:08:25.360 bare knuckle legal fights,
00:08:26.680 something that we've been talking about,
00:08:27.820 frankly, for years working towards this, Steve.
00:08:30.240 And it's going to be exciting.
00:08:31.320 But what we need
00:08:32.140 and what I love hearing from folks
00:08:33.820 is obviously the posse's up in arms.
00:08:35.660 You've got grassroots moving hard on this.
00:08:38.100 I know people are feeling pressure. That's what people are talking about in DC on our side, that some of these guys, you look at Kay Ivey, she looks like she's flipped. We need South Carolina. I just was reading and talking to folks preparing for the show that I think the House leader, let me get this guy's name so we can name him, House Majority Leader Davey Hiatt. I could be pronouncing that wrong. I've never heard of this guy, but apparently he's come out and said, no, we're not going to do it this time. We can't do it.
00:09:00.600 So we have to name names. You've got to move hard on these people, you know, peacefully, educate them, make sure to call and apply pressure at the county committee level, at the local level.
00:09:09.460 And really, we need to make clear that we're not going to stand for any half measures at this moment when you look at what the stakes are in this election, Steve.
00:09:18.460 Exactly. Let's talk about Louisiana as a perfect example. And I was kind of shocked.
00:09:23.080 I guess they were more ready than most. Some like Georgia seem like they're not ready at all.
00:09:26.840 And I want to give a head tip to Governor DeSantis. And I think they beat, I believe, Mark Elias lost in court last night.
00:09:35.100 He's going to throw lawsuits everywhere. Let's talk about Louisiana. What's what's our status there?
00:09:42.280 Yeah, so they've sued since the election was ongoing and it's gone in front of the Supreme Court.
00:09:46.500 And that's what I'm talking about in terms of we need, obviously, for the Supreme Court to clear the deck so this thing can move forward.
00:09:51.900 We think the case is on great, you know, sound footing and there's nothing to worry about there.
00:09:56.640 But, you know, everything that we do, they'll respond with lawsuits.
00:09:59.820 Just like you mentioned, Florida, you know, they tried to sue in the Northern District.
00:10:03.160 They got defeated by the attorney general in Florida.
00:10:06.680 And so now it's up to the attorney general in Louisiana to obviously defend this suit.
00:10:09.920 And we're hoping the Supreme Court moves quickly so that this stuff can progress.
00:10:13.220 But in the short term, obviously, the House elections, not the Senate election.
00:10:17.000 This is really important for those watching because you've got the Cassidy election.
00:10:20.920 President Trump's endorsed Julia Letlow, who we're all behind.
00:10:24.640 And, you know, that election is still ongoing on May 16th.
00:10:27.040 And the House elections have been moved.
00:10:28.580 So that's really important so people understand.
00:10:30.280 That's a super important election.
00:10:31.100 That's what they call the state of emergency to delay until some future time, until they get the maps drawn.
00:10:37.460 The question there in the audience.
00:10:38.960 Not the Senate.
00:10:40.840 No, the House.
00:10:41.680 Exactly.
00:10:42.180 The Senate's going to go down on 16 May.
00:10:44.100 but the primary for the house has been delayed because they called a state of emergency
00:10:48.860 are we going to get a 6-0 instead of a 5-1 i mean why are we having these fights to take
00:10:54.860 half measures i don't understand they have a maximalist strategy new england's where you're
00:11:00.860 from is 24 to zero why are we not maximalist why are we not getting six so why is it not automatic
00:11:07.260 6-0 in louisiana yeah i'm not going to make excuses but what i've heard from folks on the
00:11:12.640 ground tied in with the effort is you know they feel very good legally that they've got the
00:11:16.380 strongest case to move forward it's five one of course we want six oh of course we want every
00:11:21.480 state to move forward in any capacity but you know that's what i'm hearing on the ground i'm
00:11:25.200 not saying i support it but you know they're looking for you know i think that they've been
00:11:29.360 good actors on the ground they're the ones that actually drove this ship steve and you know fought
00:11:33.460 when no other states would fight on this took a lot of courage miss mississippi mississippi the
00:11:38.960 governor is ahead of things although i thought i think they may even have their primary he he's
00:11:43.520 what is the governor of mississippi said he's going to come out and do something that mississippi
00:11:47.440 should be 4-0 not 3-1 yeah he's calling a state legislative session late may if we go to alabama
00:11:53.600 you've got obviously barry morris calling i'm gonna start naming names right so you've got
00:11:57.440 right barry morris well and that you had that you had that you had the 90 year old governor
00:12:01.260 right she was the first yammering on about it got to be 2030 somebody got to her and got her mind
00:12:07.860 right, correct? Didn't she come out, didn't
00:12:09.540 Governor Ivey come out last night
00:12:11.780 after a couple of villain people were hammering her? 0.99
00:12:14.320 Yeah, I mean, the Grousers is hammering.
00:12:15.860 It sounds like she's flipping, which is a huge
00:12:17.660 development, because obviously, this is important
00:12:19.760 because we covered it on the show, but
00:12:21.200 it's a redraw of a court-imposed map,
00:12:23.880 right? So they actually were
00:12:25.260 forced to actually add the second
00:12:27.820 majority African-American district post
00:12:29.660 Alan Milligan. So they've got
00:12:31.780 actually a very clear president, obviously,
00:12:34.000 now with the Supreme Court ruling, to obviously throw
00:12:35.840 that out very easily, actually. So
00:12:37.660 So the word is that she flips, so we'll have to keep an eye on that. 0.98
00:12:40.860 You've got Georgia, which is a disaster.
00:12:43.240 Obviously, Argyle Lieutenant Governor Byrd Jones, pretty much all the candidates are calling for a special session this year. 0.59
00:12:49.600 But, you know, thanks to the governor and some other of these rhinos that they're declaring that they're not going to do it.
00:12:54.460 Particularly Kemp. Kemp hates Trump.
00:12:56.900 We could take Fulton County back.
00:13:00.360 This is that district in Fulton County, one of a couple.
00:13:04.780 This is why Kemp is a Trump hater.
00:13:07.660 This is why Ossoff could win. Remember, Ossoff is coming up for re-election. Ossoff is, I think, four or five points up because the Kemp forces are suppressing MAGA in Georgia. And this is what you get. He just said last night, I don't know, we'll deal with it sometime in 27, correct? I mean, he's already just told us to follow.
00:13:26.640 He said hard stop. No, not for this election. But we're going to look at it, obviously, for 30.
00:13:34.320 That's, you know, 20. President Trump, you called you called Bill Lee last night.
00:13:38.900 I'd get I'd get the hotline going to Kemp right now. Talk to me about South Carolina.
00:13:44.000 That's a huge one. What's McMaster's doing? He's Trump's guy.
00:13:48.060 Yeah. So McMaster, they're calling a session. I think their issues now are in the state legislature.
00:13:53.440 later I mentioned that name house majority leader Davey he had I could be announcing that wrong I
00:13:58.960 never heard of this guy he has said the state will not redistrict he's gone out on a limb which is
00:14:02.800 crazy I've heard McMaster's moving obviously Caroline runs all over it James Blair the White
00:14:07.780 house I mean this is a full frontal as well with the posse trying to see what we can move there
00:14:11.920 but that's big obviously you know you've got the sixth district there Clyburn which you know you
00:14:16.780 can easily draw it very cleanly I've looked at the map so you know there's that and obviously
00:14:21.040 we mentioned you've got blackburn president spoke you've got the memphis-based tennessee
00:14:27.520 nine district which is the sole democrat and so you know the primary is in august obviously so
00:14:35.120 there's a pathway because you've got time there uh legally so um hang on one second i know you
00:14:40.480 gotta i know you get a bouncer it's gonna hold you through a short break and just keep you for
00:14:44.880 a minute or two on the other side i want to sum this up for working instructions for the war room
00:14:49.360 The posse has been at the tip of the spear on this.
00:14:52.620 It's redistricting wars on a Friday morning.
00:14:55.880 Short break.
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00:16:35.800 Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.
00:16:38.880 uh alex i know you got to bounce uh missouri and ohio are those the two remaining yeah so
00:16:46.460 obviously we picked up one to two in ohio and they're gonna have to you know look at if they've
00:16:50.640 got to do a redraw in missouri obviously we've talked about it picked up one we wanted two
00:16:55.340 certainly there's one an additional one on the table there they're locked in a lawsuit and a
00:16:59.660 referendum that's disputed over that one seat so it's very contentious on the legal front so folks
00:17:04.820 have to just kind of stay on that's following. Now with the VRA ruling, I think there's a lot
00:17:08.960 of room for people to redo, draw further. So that's where the debate is right now. But
00:17:13.720 Wren and I have got the latest updates. Caroline's hammering this thing like a maniac. It's 1.00
00:17:18.060 unbelievable. Of course, Steve, she's at the forefront. Obviously, you've got to give credit
00:17:21.780 to the White House. They engineered this thing, and they're out there on a limb. You've got the
00:17:28.080 Indiana primary coming up. That's super important for people to lock in on. You've got obviously
00:17:32.500 the Louisiana Senate coming up. So there's a lot of activity and we're really sort of in the crunch
00:17:36.640 time. So it's time to get after it. Focus in, I think, on South Carolina, making sure we get
00:17:41.380 Alabama through. Those are really the two priorities. Speaker of the House of South Carolina.
00:17:45.580 Give them a call today and say, hey, look, get your mind right here, brother. This is
00:17:50.020 unconstitutional. We've been fighting this one for decades. Alex, I want people to go to your
00:17:55.680 Twitter feed. And what's Caroline's Twitter feed? Those are the two information source. That's the
00:18:00.060 hub of the action action and in fact mark elias his big mouth running last night he got beaten
00:18:06.880 last night in northern florida correct yeah that's exactly right he tried to obviously stop florida
00:18:11.840 so that's now totally toast i'm sure they'll appeal it but we feel like that's going great
00:18:16.380 so you're at caroline wren for carolina met to grass 81 so we'll be posting updates uh we'll
00:18:22.380 try to get some more folks on the show but i think those are the two states to focus on we'll continue
00:18:25.820 updates thanks steven thank you we're gonna see we're gonna update this afternoon and tomorrow
00:18:29.960 morning the saturday show alex go back to work thank you sir appreciate you stepping out and
00:18:33.860 doing this mark elias i do admire mark elias he's a fighter total scumbag but he's a fighter 0.91
00:18:40.940 but got beaten last night mark suck on that we're on a roll but it's 13 seats i think we got 13 we 0.97
00:18:48.320 can pick up in this DEI VRA gerrymandering that's crashing around the Democrats it's amazing they
00:18:56.420 weren't prepared for this thing okay I hadn't even brought the show in yet it's Friday 1 May
00:19:00.320 in the year of our Lord 2026 what does that mean one May that means it's May Day I've got two
00:19:06.980 experts Jack Posobiec who wrote a blockbuster New York Times bestseller called on humans and
00:19:12.860 dr bradley thayer who's dedicated his life to the study of this of marxism and communism versus
00:19:19.260 the west uh and and dr thayer's got a book coming out later this summer let's go ahead and play uh
00:19:25.400 let's play the music for mayday we don't have it okay um i'll go right to okay i don't want the
00:19:32.200 march i want the music uh let's go to jack we'll get the music later we're gonna get this all
00:19:36.600 artistically perfect. Jack Posobiec, unhumans. Why is one May, why is May Day the big day of
00:19:43.300 the Marxists and the communists? Oh, Steve, this is the high holy day of Bolshevism, both back to 0.84
00:19:50.780 1917 in Petrograd, as they like to call it back then, or all the way today with the neo-Bolsheviks 0.88
00:19:59.660 of Mandami in New York City. This is the day that harkens back to the earliest agitators during the
00:20:07.860 time of the Russian Empire, when they were killing czars, when they were working to get the people in
00:20:12.800 the street, because they would say, call a general strike. And the reason they went for a general 0.84
00:20:17.420 strike is they would say, this is how we can rile up the masses. They focused on cities, particularly.
00:20:24.280 They were, you know, obviously started St. Petersburg, Petrograd, when it was called back
00:20:28.040 then. And this is the day that reminds them of how they constantly fight for power and control, 0.66
00:20:37.060 cause chaos, destabilize the system, make all sorts of promises. But what does it always turn
00:20:43.220 into? Well, for the Soviets, it turned into 70 years of oppression, the murder of millions of
00:20:50.340 Christians, including including Christian children, secret police, the gulags, all the rest of it.
00:20:56.920 And, of course, the mountains upon mountains of corpses by government policy. 0.99
00:21:03.180 And again, keep in mind, this was something they did to their own people. 0.57
00:21:08.580 That's what May Day is all about.
00:21:10.680 I want people to keep in mind. 0.94
00:21:12.100 And the reason we're doing this, there's been a call for a general strike today in the United States of America from the Mondami forces and from these folks that we were trying to turf out of Minneapolis, these lovely people. 0.90
00:21:24.720 And it's interesting, the Morning Joes and all these Democrats are trying to hide that aspect of their party, 0.77
00:21:30.180 which is really about 80 percent of their foot soldiers have no mention of this today. 0.69
00:21:34.260 They want high schools out.
00:21:36.080 When you're in high school, all the formation you get is about hating America, hating American patriotism,
00:21:42.880 teaching you Howard Zinn, how people have been oppressed for thousands and thousands of years.
00:21:49.200 I want to make sure, Jack, that people understand this.
00:21:51.660 When you talk about the Bolsheviks and you talk about the Marxists, in every one of these societies, they start with a very small group of people.
00:21:59.700 I don't think the Bolsheviks ever had more than like 15 to 20 percent max support, particularly I think even in the Duma when they're here in elections.
00:22:08.980 They never really had broad popular support.
00:22:11.780 what their strategy was if they force the action people were first off the aristocracy were created
00:22:19.480 because the aristocracy back then was the equivalent of the rhinos today that they will
00:22:23.640 they will collapse they will not be able to stand up to us and then everybody else will collapse
00:22:28.460 around that uh and so that's why they celebrate this day is because this is one of their you know
00:22:33.560 i know they got the october uh date that they do when they kicked off the revolution but this is
00:22:38.980 they're kind of international, how they spread it. You don't need a majority to start. In fact,
00:22:43.340 you need a very small, hardened minority, sir. Well, Steve, that's exactly right. And even before
00:22:48.900 the Russian Bolsheviks were doing this, you saw this in Chicago in the 1800s, 1880s with the Hay
00:22:55.020 Market Affair, which turned into a bombing. They were killing police officers. They had the unions
00:23:00.660 out in the streets back then. This was during the rise of the Industrial Revolution, and they were
00:23:05.820 using that as a way to foment the masses but steve there's actually a um i'll tell you there's
00:23:12.520 actually a video i did that you know it was when we were promoting uh the release of unhumans the
00:23:18.800 anti-communism book and it was an interview with me and charlie kirk and charlie asked me that very
00:23:23.920 question he said jack what was the size of the russian revolution or the russian empire what
00:23:29.080 was the size of russian empire i said well it's russia charlie it's like 100 million people at
00:23:33.720 giant empire and they said what was the size of the bolsheviks and i said well at one point it
00:23:38.920 was probably probably about a thousand people you know not that many he said right how could such a
00:23:44.400 large country be taken over by so few of a hardened group of people and i said charlie
00:23:51.640 they didn't take it seriously they didn't exactly take it seriously the violence the brutality the
00:23:59.460 complete stripping of all morality the slaughter that they were willing to commit in the streets
00:24:08.280 to politicians to leaders to types of folks that might go to the white house correspondence center
00:24:15.160 by the way that they were willing to throw all the rules out the window in their lust for power 0.55
00:24:23.000 raw naked power and the russians they didn't fight back until it was way too late 0.61
00:24:29.120 You talk about language. Dr. Thayer, you see this all the time on MSNBC. Democracy, democracy, democracy. The Bolsheviks used to talk about democracy a lot, particularly at the beginning. They are the proverbial wolves in sheep's clothing, are they not? 0.97
00:24:46.100 Yeah, of course, Steve. It's how they mask themselves. They can't win popular support, so they have to cloak their odious ideas in terminology that would be familiar and would be attractive to folks.
00:25:04.080 look, these guys are experts at political warfare. They're geniuses at it. And Lenin in particular
00:25:11.100 was a genius, right? And one person who was responsible for this is Vladimir Lenin.
00:25:19.360 And the tactics that we see today with the school strikes or teachers calling in sick or taking
00:25:26.020 personal days or the worker strikes are all, can all be traced back to tactics that they devise
00:25:34.740 and implemented. Again, they were experts at political warfare, so they recognized the
00:25:41.900 importance of the ideas industry, right? The educational system, universities, K through 12,
00:25:48.500 media, the law schools, all of it needed to be seized, the commanding heights of the ideas
00:25:56.240 industry so that they could bring about their revolution. And Jack's exactly right. These are
00:26:01.600 very small numbers of individuals, but they're focused, they're driven, they know what they want,
00:26:08.500 and they're bringing it about through the three tools that Lenin recognized and explicitly
00:26:16.260 advanced, which was agitation, propaganda, and organization, right? A supreme organization
00:26:22.580 always twinned with terror and violence, right? So those are the tools that the Leninists
00:26:30.940 are using, whether we call them Bolsheviks, of course, or neo-Bolshevik progressives today.
00:26:37.720 Those are the mechanisms they're using to advance their revolution. And the war isn't over yet,
00:26:44.760 right we've had very important battles that we've won 1989 1991 of course uh perhaps most
00:26:52.040 significantly but we haven't won the war against these guys yet uh and they're making great progress 0.97
00:26:58.600 both abroad with the ccp the chinese communist party but at home where they operate through 0.85
00:27:06.120 a neo you know a common term which is privatized it's george soros it's steve jobs widow it's 0.87
00:27:13.640 Singham and his wife, Jody Evans, Code Pink, working through the hundreds of front organizations
00:27:21.800 that they have to advance their revolution and to extinguish, of course, the spirit of 1776 and
00:27:31.440 our freedoms in the United States and to kill Western civilization. In our 250th year of our
00:27:40.320 independence. Hang on, Dr. Thayer
00:27:42.020 writing a book about the
00:27:44.340 America struggle with the
00:27:46.320 Marxists, with communists, over a hundred years struggle.
00:27:48.920 Jack Posobiec, author of the
00:27:50.380 New York Times bestseller
00:27:51.640 Unhumans. We're going to take a short
00:27:54.300 commercial break. We're going to be back in the warm
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00:29:58.920 Here's your host, Stephen K. Vann.
00:30:03.500 It's May Day 2026.
00:30:06.160 of course the neo-marxists that are a big force in this country don't think they're not that's
00:30:12.940 why we have to continue to go after the deep state break this thing up jack pasovic you take a lot of
00:30:17.780 criticism on msnbc every time they put your book up you say oh my god look at pasovic he wrote this
00:30:23.740 book about all these great people that freed people and were liberators and he called he calls
00:30:28.680 the book is unhumans walk me through that sir a new york times a top 10 bestseller i might or
00:30:35.180 New York Times list bestseller? Well, Steve, actually, we all outsold every book on the New
00:30:41.240 York Times list. But of course, they didn't want to put it in the number where it was where it
00:30:46.860 actually achieved. But Steve, the title is very simply. That's what they do to others. They look
00:30:52.340 at you. If you are a impediment to their revolution, if you are someone who is considered
00:31:00.660 right wing, if you are someone who is considered a petty bourgeoisie, meaning basically a small
00:31:08.600 business owner or someone who's successful, if you're a member of the clergy, if you're a priest,
00:31:13.660 if you're a nun, if you are someone who happens to be religious or if you've got a little bit too
00:31:19.660 much pull in the military or something like that, they decide then that you must be removed. The 0.63
00:31:27.080 Kulaks, as they were called in the Russian Revolution. And so if you were a Kulak and
00:31:34.220 you didn't want to get with the program, you became, of course, the brunt of the Cheka. 0.97
00:31:40.120 And the Cheka were the original secret police. And there were various iterations of the secret 0.95
00:31:44.960 police prior to the KGB. There was also the NKVD during World War II. But the Cheka were
00:31:51.360 predominantly the chief torturers of the revolution and the revolutionary Bolsheviks. 0.95
00:31:58.840 One of the most famous and infamous methods of this is, of course, memorialized in 1984
00:32:05.680 with the rat torture.
00:32:08.420 And this, of course, in I believe it's room 101 in the Orwell book, 1984, where they take
00:32:13.760 the rat and they put him in a tube or they put him in a cage and then press that up to
00:32:19.640 the individual's body, and then they heat up the tube. So the only way the rat can get out
00:32:25.460 is by eating through the person's body on the other side. That's what they would do to priests. 0.78
00:32:30.980 That's what they would do to small business owners. That's what they would do to religious
00:32:35.440 families. They would do this over and over and over. And they turned the country into informants 0.98
00:32:42.240 against one another. So turn neighbor against neighbor, kind of like, oh, I don't know what
00:32:47.460 we saw here in the united states during covid now hang on and actually in 2021 i want to go
00:32:53.780 back to that term kulak because this has direct um resonance with the world means everyone who
00:33:00.840 watches war room everyone who watches human events we're all in russian and correct me if i'm wrong
00:33:05.440 russian society you had serfs and peasants but in the villages you had peasants who were just
00:33:11.900 more organized and and and it's middle get it together means the middle class it's it it was
00:33:17.500 what the middle class they became or they were still serfs and they were still peasants but they 0.60
00:33:22.880 were the top of the food chain there on their own drive and initiative they had they kept their
00:33:28.140 houses nicer and people in the community respected them and looked up to them and that's what the 0.61
00:33:33.280 bolsheviks understood if they were to basically take charge of the countryside and take charge 0.99
00:33:40.700 of the serfs and the peasants, what they had to do was destroy the kulaks, the people in the 0.98
00:33:46.640 communities, just like the Warren Posse, the people that, you know, have the Lions Clubs and 0.99
00:33:51.880 coach Little League and organize the churches. Those are the ones that have to go. And this is 0.60
00:33:56.860 why after President Trump had the election stolen from him, they would have the they would have those
00:34:03.840 billboards. If you see anything suspicious or they would put tremendous pressure on anybody
00:34:08.540 like watching the war room or anybody that went to a MAGA rally, they need to always destroy the 1.00
00:34:14.900 kulaks. It's it's one thing to get the aristocracy, to get the officers in the military, to get the 1.00
00:34:19.720 priests in the church. But they understood and their number one focus was always we got to get
00:34:24.800 the kulaks. We have to get the people that live that are peasants or or that serves, but are 1.00
00:34:32.160 respected. Steven, if I could bring that to today, go back to when I was face to face with at the
00:34:39.440 time, I believe it was mayor elect Zora Mandami in the Oval Office of the White House. And what
00:34:45.660 did I press him on? I pressed him on his policy. And we're now seeing this writ large across New
00:34:51.120 York City, his policy of targeting white neighborhoods for higher taxes, for higher
00:34:58.020 regulations for higher prosecutions. I said, sir, that was your policy. You said white
00:35:02.840 neighborhoods. You didn't say that you were going to go after corrupt businesses or fraud or corrupt
00:35:08.040 practices or that you were going to look at illegal aliens or anything like this. No, you said
00:35:12.560 that you had a certain group of people that you were going to will to scapegoat and that you were
00:35:18.180 deliberately going to do this. And he said, oh, well, you know, I was just describing the
00:35:24.360 neighborhoods. And I said, well, you described them as white neighborhoods, sir. That was your
00:35:28.400 words. So Steve, it hasn't changed. It hasn't changed at all. What's changed is that it's less
00:35:35.280 about class. Now it's still about class. Don't get me wrong, but it's, there's, there's another
00:35:39.840 angle that they've added to it in Neo Bolshevism where they bring up race, they bring up gender,
00:35:45.640 they bring up sexuality. That's what they've added to it. But if you go to like a Luigi 0.75
00:35:49.880 Maggioni type you see it's the exact same hatred the exact same violence all the way down it's the 0.75
00:35:57.760 Maggioni's and it is the Mandami's all the way down this is our Jack this is our because I know 0.98
00:36:05.720 you got to bounce the this is our fight our our fight politically because this is the muscle of
00:36:11.900 the Democratic Party when when you were down in uh when I was down in uh Texas 9 right the state
00:36:17.440 district these are the guys walking door to door this is the working family party this is the dsa
00:36:22.720 this is the end where the energy is coming from the democratic party it's they're all over georgia
00:36:27.360 too and these people are these people are totally radical go ahead sir no just saying that the
00:36:32.720 working families party they're all over georgia they're moving in state by state oh big time
00:36:38.000 all over the country and this is where their energy and we have to call them out 0.63
00:36:41.920 for what they are this is neo-marxism and you're right the reason we say neo is because they bring 0.69
00:36:46.960 race gender sexuality all of it into this this is why they are so radical about the transgender
00:36:53.680 ideology they refuse to back off that and folks if you think dei is gone and transgender ideology
00:36:58.480 gone you you are absolutely incorrect the corporations are ready to bring it all back
00:37:03.840 uh these people are going to infuse it into the government into the military into all of
00:37:07.760 our institutions we have we are so far from killing that because it's central to their
00:37:12.560 ideology, and it's central to how they organize, Jack Masovic.
00:37:17.420 Oh, 100%. And while I am, you know, I see it positively, you know, hopeful when I see some
00:37:26.880 of the Fortune 500s that are pulling out of the SPLC, finally, after all the years of exposing
00:37:32.000 their corruption and exposing the role that they've played for the financial institutions
00:37:36.360 and the Fortune 500 of this country, the debanking, et cetera, that they've worked with
00:37:42.240 hand in glove. But unfortunately, Steve, every time we take aim at one of their organizations
00:37:49.000 in terms of exposing them, put a spotlight on them, they're just going to move to another one.
00:37:54.580 They're going to move to another organization or they're going to keep going until they find
00:37:58.700 another guy like a Cole Thomas Allen or a Tyler Robinson or Luigi Maggioni who's going to go and
00:38:04.200 say, you know what? It's not good enough that we're doing the debanking and the censorship.
00:38:12.240 revolutionary means. And Steve, that's what they say over and over and over. They tell you
00:38:17.900 that these forces are oppressive and you must rise up against your oppressors. And that's what
00:38:23.960 they start doing, Steve. They don't care. And here's the dirty little secret. They don't
00:38:27.760 actually care about equality. They don't care about justice. You think these people care about
00:38:31.500 race and gender and minority groups and any of these things? No, of course not. The killing is
00:38:37.080 the point the brutality is the point the anger is the point that's what they want it's envy it is
00:38:43.560 resentment that is what is at the root of all of this and all of the flowery language that's just
00:38:50.040 marketing that's just window dressing and at the heart of it it's atheistic and uh it's great
00:38:56.940 enemy of course it's demonic right well the orthodox it's demonic and you see the cover
00:39:01.160 that's why we have the demonic imagery all the rest of it before you go uh cole allen 0.89
00:39:06.700 because people are saying he's crazy.
00:39:08.540 He's not crazy.
00:39:10.140 There's been no evidence at all he's not crazy.
00:39:12.820 This guy, though, was flipped in his formation as an assassin
00:39:16.960 and as someone that felt he had to have a mass casualty incident
00:39:23.220 to basically thwart the oppressors of the United States of America
00:39:30.120 shows you how twisted they can get by this ideology.
00:39:33.660 This ideology is very powerful.
00:39:35.140 and because of the way that they continually roll it out to these young people,
00:39:40.960 particularly young people who may seem a little rootless, sir.
00:39:44.940 Well, and Steve, you know, we've got over at Human Events,
00:39:48.060 we've actually put, I haven't published this yet, but we've got an archive
00:39:51.600 and I've set it up so that it can be searchable of thousands upon thousands of his tweets,
00:39:57.300 his social media posts, and you can see it was 2024 where he became hyper-radicalized.
00:40:03.040 He seems to have been aligned with some of these NAFO groups where, you know, very tight with the pro-Ukraine elements online and full on believer in the Russia conspiracy theory that Trump was a Russian agent working for Vladimir Putin also became anti Israel was anti the Iran war.
00:40:25.400 But at the same time, Steve, it's ultimately just the same type of rhetoric that you see on Blue Sky that you would see on MSNBC every single night.
00:40:35.180 And it's very straightforward.
00:40:36.760 He says over and over that it's time for someone to do something.
00:40:42.160 No one else has decided to do this yet or no one has gotten far enough.
00:40:45.620 So I'm going to take it upon myself.
00:40:47.720 He's taking the logical conclusion of this type of rhetoric from the left.
00:40:53.700 And again, this isn't the extreme left. This isn't the fringe left. This is mainstream. When the New York Times is putting up guys talking about, oh, the Maggioni's actions against Brian Thompson were justified because he was guilty of social murder.
00:41:08.540 Steve, it's it's so it's so key for people to understand this. The New York Times is platforming this type of ideology. So this isn't fringe. This is in the New York Times. And they're telling you you're committing self-defense and defense of others when you go and go look at the arsenal.
00:41:26.100 this guy had at the white house correspondence dinner at the washington hilton the hinckley
00:41:29.440 hilton right daggers throwing knives uh i believe it was a 1911 pistol and he had the mossberg 88
00:41:37.800 uh pistol grip shotgun and he ran in there fired at least one round off and was running straight
00:41:43.880 through waited for them to put down the magnetometers and then was running through the
00:41:47.580 dog tried to tried to warn him they didn't listen to the dog and he was running through and he got
00:41:51.240 very, very, very close to the president of the United States, the vice president, the, you know,
00:41:56.540 so many members of the cabinet, et cetera. And he wanted to do this. Oh, a hundred percent. Jack,
00:42:02.840 where do people go if they want to pick up on humans or watch a show or particularly you're
00:42:07.520 the Associated Press of MAGA, your Twitter feed, where they go? Oh, of course, up at Jack Posobiec,
00:42:14.380 Steve, and then the podcast human events daily, get that on Apple, get that on Spotify. We're
00:42:21.100 all over social media. The book, Unhumans, New York Times bestseller. You can go and get that
00:42:25.500 on Amazon. You can get that unhumansbook.com. We have a couple of special editions. And there's
00:42:30.960 a great foreword that was written in there by one Stephen K. Bannon that I highly recommend.
00:42:36.080 Thank you. One of my great, I love this book. What's the clip? You gave our production team
00:42:41.240 the clip we're going to see on the way out. What are we going to see in here?
00:42:44.180 i believe this is the fifth the victory parade um now it's youtube so you have to you know caveat
00:42:50.820 that it's credited as the victory parade in the soviet union may of 1957 and i believe this is
00:43:01.300 one of the ones red square that chairman mao actually participated in remember the only
00:43:06.680 country that mao would ever travel to was of course his patrons up in moscow and he didn't
00:43:12.680 light travel on there he was ordered to. Jack Posobiec, thank you so much. We'll go out with
00:43:16.240 that. Dr. Bradley Thayer, fighting the 100-year war, 100-year-plus war against Marxism. Next to the war.
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00:45:37.180 Dr. Thayer, you can cut on MSNBC every night, and they've got the same type of nomenclature.
00:45:42.900 You know, they're talking about democracy, but it's really neo-Marxism.
00:45:46.740 They've taken over education training in this country.
00:45:51.460 the master's degree or people and I don't know why you have to get a degree in education to be
00:45:56.500 a teacher it seems like we had a pretty good run in the 19th and 20th century early 20th century
00:46:04.420 before that in fact infected the system but talk to us about today because they're trying to get
00:46:09.860 to these kids and this is much wider spread than the media covers this is very and particularly
00:46:17.060 in the junior high schools and high schools, they are radicalizing a generation, and I mean really
00:46:22.120 radicalizing a generation of young Americans, sir. Well, they are, Steve, and they've been doing it
00:46:29.280 for some time, and it's really evidence of how far they've advanced and how successful they've
00:46:35.200 been, again, at capturing the ideas industry, right? You can't go to university, you can't go
00:46:40.660 through K through 12, with important exceptions like homeschooling and others, but you're going 0.99
00:46:47.160 to be indoctrinated by neo-Bolsheviks who captured the educational system, who captured the media, 0.96
00:46:56.260 who captured really much of intellectual life, the entertainment industry, social media. 0.91
00:47:05.960 they've got it all wrapped up and they did it because they're organized they know what they
00:47:12.320 want and they advance along those lines and they've been supremely successful uh at so doing
00:47:19.500 which is a large part of the deep problems that we face right is the fact that we're
00:47:26.840 struggling against a very organized entity um really a neo-common turn a privatized common
00:47:35.240 turn. It's run by George Soros and his son. It's run by Neville Singham.
00:47:41.460 Make sure people understand, hang on, the term common turn means what, and why is it important
00:47:47.780 for people to know this?
00:47:50.020 Absolutely. So the Bolsheviks wanted to spread their revolution. They came to power in 1917. 0.70
00:47:56.460 They recognized they had a problem, that they needed to spread this thing. So they created an
00:48:00.980 organization called the Communist International, also called the Third International. And the
00:48:06.920 intent of that was to spread the Bolshevik revolution globally, everywhere. Where communist 0.51
00:48:15.180 parties didn't exist, like in China, for example, they would create one. They created the Chinese 0.97
00:48:21.340 Communist Party in 1921. They created, in 1919, really two American communist parties, which they
00:48:29.580 merged into one, the Communist Party of the United States by 1921, formerly by 1927.
00:48:37.660 So they generated communist parties, but they also recognized they needed to create and fund
00:48:44.540 front organization using what they called united front tactics, which is to recognize you probably
00:48:52.440 weren't going to take over countries through a coup d'etat like the Bolsheviks did on November 7th,
00:48:57.760 1917. But what you need to do was penetrate and unhinge societies. So you needed to find out 0.93
00:49:06.800 what kept a society together. That would be religion. That would be the family. That would
00:49:12.460 be patriotism. That would be American identity, for example. You needed to target that and
00:49:19.760 gradually at first eliminate it, erase it, right? What the NSS, National Security Strategy,
00:49:26.960 called civilizational erasure. Well, that's just the realization of the tactics that Lenin, 0.77
00:49:33.480 the common turn started, to focus on what united the West, what made it great,
00:49:40.500 in order to destroy it. And once it was destroyed, they'd be able to seize power,
00:49:47.620 again, not through a coup, not through a coup d'etat, but by gradually having it come their
00:49:53.180 way, all of it dropping to their hands. And again, they were supremely successful at doing so,
00:50:01.460 making communist parties, making front organizations. That's now has been taken
00:50:07.600 up by these billionaires, these woke billionaires, Soros, Singham, Jody Evans, Jobs' widow,
00:50:14.880 her Emerson collective. Again, huge source of this. So they have these woke billionaires by
00:50:22.240 the score who are advancing these ideas and to whom the ideas seem very attractive to folks who
00:50:30.940 don't know. They don't know, sadly, because we failed to sustain American identity and to call
00:50:38.440 this out. This was the entire really idea of Charlie Kirk and what Charlie Kirk did at Turning
00:50:45.920 Point, particularly starting other scholars campuses. And if you see what Charlie would
00:50:49.820 always say if you disagree with me we're gonna get you the front of the line and if you see what
00:50:54.120 these kids would spout to Charlie it was neo-Marxism they had been they had been trained
00:51:00.100 they had been brought up about this they didn't really understand the American experience they
00:51:04.340 didn't understand the basic foundations of the republic and western civilization it was pretty
00:51:09.960 shocking but that's why the reason Charlie I think was so effective he was so patient you just heard
00:51:16.880 this drivel coming from these people that they all came out of the modern American education system
00:51:21.980 and there are no homeschooled kids at the front of the lines for Charlie Kirk because he's always
00:51:27.620 put the dissonance at the front and Charlie would sit there you know year after year and
00:51:33.000 university after university and here that's just what he was up against and what Charlie said is
00:51:38.540 we'll talk this out and here's the amazing thing is Charlie in his own way right his own kind of
00:51:44.500 very knowledgeable but accessible way changed so many of those people. That's why there was such
00:51:50.280 open grief for Charlie, particularly among young people in the college campuses. He was an apostle
00:51:56.240 for the Christian West in understanding the values of it and how it's manifested in the
00:52:05.240 American Republic as counter to everything that the neo-Marxists stand for. This is why the
00:52:10.980 Bolsheviks. And Dr. Thayer says it's a hundred year war. Anyway, Dr. Thayer, hang on. You're 0.84
00:52:15.400 going to stick around because I'm going to get, I got Navarra from the White House. And then Eric
00:52:19.500 Boling is going to join us. Thayer is going to stick around. We're going to talk also what's
00:52:23.380 gone down in the war on May Day in 2026. You see it in your neighborhoods. If you see it in your
00:52:31.320 towns and cities or covered on your news tonight, remember this has a long tradition and it's a
00:52:36.600 dangerous tradition goes all the way back to the french revolution right the very two different
00:52:43.260 revolutions the american and the french with two pretty different outcomes
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00:53:02.120 How that relates to the value of gold, physical gold, and why central banks throughout the world are buying still, I think in our second, second, second and a half or third year of record rates of purchases.
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