Bannon's War Room - May 09, 2026


Episode 5361： Nigel Bringing MAGA To The Forefront In The UK; Shilling For AI


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00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:00:07.000 Pray for our enemies.
00:00:09.000 Because we're going medieval on these people.
00:00:12.000 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:00:17.000 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:00:19.000 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:00:20.000 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,
00:00:22.000 but you're not going to stop it.
00:00:23.000 It's going to happen.
00:00:24.000 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
00:00:27.000 MAGA Media.
00:00:29.000 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:34.620 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:38.360 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:00:44.760 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:00:51.620 Saturday, 9 May in the year of our Lord, 2026.
00:00:54.360 Okay, let's go back, do a little history here so you understand the context.
00:01:02.260 When I was running Breitbart very early on, it became quite evident that to build the populist nationalist movement in this country,
00:01:13.800 that we needed to do two things.
00:01:18.560 Make sure that people understood certain parts of the country what was happening and what was happening about their sovereignty.
00:01:23.920 That's why with Brandon Darby and the great team there at Breitbart, we launched Breitbart, Texas, particularly about the Rio Grande Valley.
00:01:31.960 I went down and spent a lot of time in the Rio Grande Valley.
00:01:34.120 Gosh, that's got to be 2012, 13, 14, to really understand what was going on and how the establishment, the business logo establishment in Texas was involved in that.
00:01:45.940 The other part was to launch international sites or international headquarters or bureaus for Breitbart.
00:01:53.520 And I was going to do Jerusalem, Rome, and London.
00:02:00.380 London was most important.
00:02:01.600 We did that first.
00:02:02.520 And Rahim Ghassam, that's where I met James Dellingpole, who was a columnist at the Daily Telegraph.
00:02:07.200 The Daily Telegraph had gone what the British called wet.
00:02:09.640 It was not really a conservative site.
00:02:11.200 It was the classic traditional rhinos here.
00:02:14.700 That's what was happening to the Tory party.
00:02:16.580 This guy was a right-winger.
00:02:18.340 Dellingpole and Rahim, a young guy, a blogger named Rahim Kassam,
00:02:22.040 who I went over and met, was introduced to, just turned out,
00:02:25.120 just a brilliant guy.
00:02:26.500 And we launched it, and particularly to follow this guy, Nigel Farage,
00:02:30.400 who was at that time in the European Parliament,
00:02:32.900 and up on these YouTube videos that were just magnificent
00:02:35.220 as he just bringing the old what-for to the European Parliament.
00:02:38.960 Now, he came back, and I used to traipse around with him.
00:02:41.140 essentially what building kind of a tea party movement it was called ukip um you the uk
00:02:47.320 independence party but he had a theory of the case to get the sovereignty back to actually
00:02:51.820 extract themselves from the european union that was considered the biggest joke in where it would
00:02:57.860 never happen the odds were so so long in nigel farage through force of personality and force of
00:03:04.640 will, and I saw it day to day. We did it. He did it in June, in June of 2016, because a guy running
00:03:14.160 to be prime minister had committed to, they trapped him in a debate, I guess it was, to commit to a
00:03:19.280 plebiscite, to a referendum. And Nigel Farage won the referendum. And Boris Johnson was kind of the
00:03:25.820 official party doing it. He was the unofficial. Boris Johnson ran on all the rules in Brussels
00:03:30.960 and everything like that.
00:03:31.740 Nigel ran good old-fashioned migration, and Brexit came about.
00:03:36.400 And Brexit was the foreshadowing of Trump's victory in that November.
00:03:39.820 And I said at the time, what happens there, you can tell,
00:03:42.040 these things kind of move a little bit together.
00:03:45.180 And that's what's so important about what's happening now.
00:03:48.660 And this is, Nigel created an entirely new party.
00:03:52.840 The Tories have been around for 250 years.
00:03:54.800 You read the American Revolution, it's the Tory party that's, by and large,
00:03:59.220 making a lot of uh decisions and fighting in commons they've been around for 250 years uh
00:04:06.400 the labor party's been around i think since world war one he's but he's smoking both of them is
00:04:11.180 crushing them and it's very important matthew goodwin said it the british people you see in
00:04:16.560 the election where they gave the tories the overwhelming majority and they frittered it away
00:04:20.320 this should be a lesson to the maga movement and to the republican party people are prepared to
00:04:26.720 say, hey, look, I don't want to be a second-class citizen in my own country. I want to empower a
00:04:31.500 group of people to represent me as a UK citizen, as a citizen of Great Britain, or as a citizen of
00:04:38.400 these United States of America. But I want you to go in there, and I want you to fight for me
00:04:43.560 as a citizen. American citizen, America first, yes, 100%, but American citizens become first.
00:04:51.500 American citizens right now are supplicants. You are not just a second. I think you're kind
00:04:56.540 of a third class. You're in steerage. You're in steerage in your own country. You're in steerage
00:05:02.340 in your own country, and you don't have to be. You've got to be in platinum seating,
00:05:08.040 premier seating. You're up there. You should be up in the skyboxes, right? It's unsat,
00:05:16.100 and you're seeing that, and that's what was so important about yesterday. Let's go with Peter
00:05:19.800 McIlvin has done such a great job in helping us in Texas because he's seen how London has fallen.
00:05:25.480 And Peter, what did we take?
00:05:27.320 Matthew Goodwin, I think, nailed it.
00:05:29.120 Your thoughts on what we saw yesterday, or I guess it was on Thursday.
00:05:34.040 Well, yeah, Matthew Goodwin, brilliant.
00:05:36.740 And look, this is Nigel Farage's day.
00:05:39.300 He's been at this for 30 years with UKIP and then the Brexit Party and now Reform UK.
00:05:46.680 And within three to four years of this new party, they now have 2,000 council seats.
00:05:52.040 and to put that understanding that's local council seats two years ago they had zero
00:05:57.780 um in the last election they got around 900 and in this election they've got
00:06:04.040 at the moment it's 1440 um they may not get the 1500 they're only about 60 seats to count
00:06:11.820 but um they've made i mean the front page of every paper today was was a picture of nigel
00:06:18.600 in normal pose, celebrating in the spotlight, and rightly so.
00:06:24.300 And they have taken not only 1,000, nearly 1,500 councillors.
00:06:30.700 To put that in understanding, Labour ended up with 1,000.
00:06:36.060 The Conservatives ended up with 800, and poor Kemi Bednock,
00:06:39.980 the leader of the Conservative Party, she called that a good night
00:06:43.540 and said the Conservatives are back, despite the fact they lost 600 councillors.
00:06:47.240 but it's absolutely fantastic for reform and they've taken control of 14 councils we have about
00:06:54.140 290 councils in the UK and not all were up for grabs we've got a ruling system and sometimes
00:07:00.880 a council has a quarter of the seats every year sometimes they're all up for grabs every four
00:07:05.300 years so there were there were only a small number 5,000 councillors up for election out of around
00:07:14.140 17,000. So around a third of them were up for election. And that one third is an interesting
00:07:20.940 number because as Nigel said there in that cold open, they were winning, they have won a third
00:07:27.220 of the seats they stood in. In fact, they stood, although they had slightly fewer numbers of
00:07:33.160 candidates than the Labour Party, they stood in 99.9% of wards of those local areas where you have
00:07:41.260 two or three councillors. So literally across the country, divided up into wards, maybe 7,000 wards,
00:07:49.740 there are probably only six of them that actually, if you went as a member of the voting public and
00:07:55.520 you went to vote, you wouldn't have had a reform candidate. I, in the middle of London, had three
00:08:01.460 reform candidates. They didn't get in where I am, but they got in in Havering, which is in East
00:08:07.060 london and that was also a triumph because that's the first council in london they have managed to
00:08:13.480 win and that was a big leave a big brexit a big anti-eu area but they have won up in the northeast
00:08:19.780 of england in the midlands in the southeast of england um and they've done well in wales they're
00:08:25.540 now the opposition in wales who would have thought that they would have been the main opposition to
00:08:30.360 Plaid Cymru, who are the Nationalist Party in Wales.
00:08:32.660 So fantastic result for Nigel.
00:08:36.120 And just, folks, he created this from nothing.
00:08:41.160 It was, he left UKIP, and remember, for years, he was kind of, a couple of years in media,
00:08:44.740 and then I would spend a lot of time with him, but you've got to get back in it.
00:08:48.040 And he says, I can't go back to UKIP, I'm going to do it myself.
00:08:50.360 And I thought, wow, why are we doing this?
00:08:52.340 And he built it himself, it's just amazing.
00:08:54.000 Ben Harnwell, you're the head of our international in Rome, but you're an Englishman.
00:08:59.220 Your thoughts, sir?
00:09:00.360 um i'd like to underline for our largely american audience really the connection here now we say
00:09:08.180 constantly on the show how how brexit teed up everything that happened with the trump revolution
00:09:14.500 from the election campaign of 2015 and the eventual victory in 2016 onwards i want to
00:09:20.060 underline what i think is the the straight line between these two things and that's basically
00:09:24.800 not only the fact that the Britons exercised their sense of agency but they really woke up
00:09:31.580 to themselves and felt confident in employing that sense of agency it's absolutely fundamental
00:09:37.840 and you see the same thing happening now with this mini revolution that we saw at the local
00:09:44.200 government level this Thursday and it's something that transcends our two-party system of politics
00:09:52.400 It's that people on the left, traditionally voting Labour, people on the right, traditionally voting Conservative, both have peeled away and said we are not going to accept what the regime gives us.
00:10:05.760 We are going to go outside of the parameters of seeking permission, if you will, from approval, social approval from our elders and betters.
00:10:17.280 We are going to determine for ourselves our own destiny.
00:10:20.740 That's the point here. It's really a rediscovery and an insistence on using the British people's sense of agency.
00:10:29.920 That's why it's so important. And it shows that the revolution that took place in the UK,
00:10:35.680 the absolutely sort of cataclysmic revolution with Brexit, which, as you correctly said,
00:10:40.720 would have been sort of considered to be unthinkable just 10 years before it took place.
00:10:46.300 why that sense, why that continuing revolution is taking place,
00:10:51.200 because it's all a straight line, what happened at Brexit,
00:10:53.780 what happened on Thursday.
00:10:55.520 And, you know, Nigel Farage is very much the key protagonist in that,
00:11:01.320 and he deserves to be sort of given full credit for that.
00:11:05.720 Okay, so hang on, for both of you, I want to go back to McIlvaney.
00:11:09.140 So, Peter, you've been essential, you kind of one of the,
00:11:12.620 if not the unsung hero in this whole rejuvenation of the grassroots movement here in the United
00:11:17.260 States, because you went to Texas in November, came back and it would spend some time with me
00:11:22.320 and said, Hey, you don't realize that the United States, I asked you, I said, when you went over
00:11:26.160 there, where are we in relation to how to first started in, in, in London? Cause London has
00:11:31.880 fallen now. And you said, you're much farther gone. And that led to the, uh, the, um, Sharia,
00:11:37.940 um referendum the two million votes you were there for the opening kickoff for it etc the
00:11:45.020 question in in in harnwell just nailed it right there of the through line with the united states
00:11:49.720 our revolution has not even we're top of the third inning now okay and it's now about american
00:11:55.760 citizenship and american citizens and people are tired of being supplicants and you can see both
00:12:00.080 left and right in England are coming to an alternative one of the glaring issues with
00:12:08.000 reform is this issue with Tommy Robinson and Tommy you know has been in Texas and doing great things
00:12:13.280 on Sharia law is one at the forefront of that is drawing good crowds and we've been covering
00:12:18.100 live streaming Tommy's they're about to have this people realize in reform they really don't touch
00:12:25.220 what Tommy's talking about they do talk about immigration they talk about deportations but
00:12:29.640 they won't kind of go there where it's a much harder and sharper edge to it.
00:12:34.480 Talk to me a minute about that.
00:12:36.040 And particularly this, another big rally for Tommy or March this week, there was a million
00:12:41.060 people last year.
00:12:42.100 This is supposed to be even bigger.
00:12:43.740 Talk to me about reform in Tommy Robinson.
00:12:47.720 This is kind of the one fly in the ointment.
00:12:49.920 And there are two individuals, high profile individuals.
00:12:52.220 I see this as a class issue of Tommy being a working class guy who's got nothing but made it himself.
00:13:00.700 Nigel Moore looking down.
00:13:03.500 That's how I see it.
00:13:05.860 And Nigel certainly wouldn't work with Tommy.
00:13:08.560 Tommy probably would work with Nigel.
00:13:10.660 But reformer, brilliant on the immigration issue, on spending, on getting control of our own affairs.
00:13:18.780 um but yet on islam which is a huge issue here in londonistan london is 15 islamic
00:13:27.300 um school children are 30 muslim in london and that is across europe um in terms of if you look
00:13:36.000 at brussels is what 42 of the children in schools are muslim and the same issue the same number as
00:13:42.680 vienna it's 40 in vienna we're seeing a huge change across europe towards of islam and that's
00:13:48.820 just not immigration that's also high birth rates in those countries and acquiescing to whether it's
00:13:56.300 sharia law whether it's halal food industry whether it's sharia finance all of those we are giving
00:14:01.700 away our traditionally held levers of the powers of our society nigel doesn't get that and i would
00:14:10.340 say probably he maybe he's wiser he's seen what's happened to other people he's pragmatic he doesn't
00:14:16.660 think this is maybe the the main election issue so he goes on others but he doesn't want to go up
00:14:22.320 against islam where tommy kind of has that fighter spirit on the street nigel has a very different
00:14:28.380 fighting spirit um and he won't engage on this and even worse he's throwing people out of the party
00:14:35.360 because they've been wanting to engage on this and wanting to engage with tommy so that is the
00:14:40.140 little fly in the ointment on all of this it's it's more than a fly in the ointment we're addressing
00:14:45.680 you're being polite peter mckelvene ben harnwell got joe allen up in the bullpen limbering up
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00:16:32.320 Tommy Robinson's been on a roll, Ben Harnwell, in Texas,
00:16:36.720 assisting there for this issue we're doing about the Islamic invasion
00:16:40.060 of the jewel of the crown of the American Union, the great state of Texas.
00:16:45.080 Why is Nigel Farage not fully embracing Tommy Robinson
00:16:48.840 and kind of his little harder-edged take on things, particularly Islam?
00:16:55.640 Is it a class thing?
00:16:56.740 Is the class thing still hold in England, sir?
00:17:04.320 A bit, but I don't think that's the reason.
00:17:06.020 If you look at how Nigel Farage, his image, his popular image in the country,
00:17:11.980 it's like a pint of beer in one hand and a fag in the other,
00:17:15.280 and that's how people popularly imagine him.
00:17:17.460 That's like a typically working class type guy.
00:17:21.700 That's part of his popular appeal.
00:17:24.340 I don't think it's a class thing.
00:17:25.700 I think it's because Nigel Farage wants to be prime minister and has a very realistic possibility of getting there.
00:17:32.080 But the facts are these, Steve.
00:17:34.380 I mean, I've seen the various Islamic lobbying groups themselves saying that they control around 200 seats,
00:17:42.500 as in dispersed over the country, they can control the direction of around 200 seats at the general election,
00:17:48.780 given that our parliament has about 650 seats.
00:17:51.440 That's a pretty hefty share.
00:17:53.340 And I'm obviously not going to make the argument that Muslims will vote as a bloc. However, if Nigel Farage started channeling Tommy Robinson too aggressively, they certainly will start acting as a bloc, and that will destroy his chance of becoming Prime Minister.
00:18:12.420 If you look at his, see, basically, look, we don't have in the UK, different to the rest of continental Europe, but very similar to the United States.
00:18:20.780 We have a first past the post system in the UK. We don't have proportional representation.
00:18:26.820 If we had proportional representation in the UK, then Nigel Farage can do exactly what you're saying and get a very large sort of lump of the electorate.
00:18:36.820 And that will be guaranteed for his. And then he would start coalition building with other groups of similar direction to get the numbers up to an absolute majority.
00:18:45.640 We don't have that. We have first past the post. It's sort of simple majority of one.
00:18:51.720 And that's where that while we have these huge swings, not only in the States, but also in the UK, arguably more in the UK, we have a greater tradition of seats changing side direction.
00:19:04.280 So Nigel Farage realized that you can't get to the point of invasion that we are in the UK since the 50s onwards and then say, let's run Tommy Robinson as a candidate in a first-past-the-post system, and let's see how far he gets to be coming towards that.
00:19:22.320 You do agree it's an invasion in the United Kingdom? There's no doubt in your mind about that?
00:19:29.060 it's the consequences that we've had an invasion an illegal third world invasion since the late
00:19:37.640 50s onward overseen if i may by the the toy party that was then in power um and continued all the
00:19:46.000 all the way through that it's the consequences that we have had an invasion in the uk that
00:19:51.480 means that nigel farage if he wants to get to number 10 has to be very calculating about what
00:19:58.540 his his principal points are in order to get there and he can't run once you get to the stage that
00:20:04.480 you are in this main lesson to america right once you get to the stage of invasion and democratic
00:20:11.080 ethnic substitution call it what you will once you get to that stage there's no coming back from that
00:20:17.520 so as i've said repeatedly on the show since i've been here uh for five years our message in
00:20:23.180 continental europe is to show the americans what happens and say do not follow this path
00:20:29.600 the way down because you will end up in the same situation and that's where we are in the uk
00:20:33.620 okay hang on um peter the big march tommy's going to have and there's a million last year
00:20:41.860 it was unbelievable we covered it wall to wall the um this one's supposed to be bigger my
00:20:47.380 understanding from you is that the UK government is cancelling the visas of the American speakers,
00:20:54.440 sir? Yes, the Home Secretary, who's a Muslim, Shibana Mahmood, has taken issue to Tommy having
00:21:02.660 speakers. Who would have thought? So she has cancelled four visa waivers that individuals
00:21:11.180 have had. Now, there are two Americans, Joni Maneria, who is a high profile, he's over three
00:21:16.940 quarters of a million on on x valenta gomez who i think ran um for a seat in florida also has
00:21:23.680 around the same number um the the big one for me is eva let me look at her name vlard vlardinger
00:21:30.560 brook i never can pronounce her name he's she's a dutch um commentator very high we've had we've
00:21:36.460 had we've had her on the show a number of times we've had a number of shows he's brilliant but i
00:21:40.520 also understand lutz backman has been um cancelled and he is probably germany's equivalent of tommy
00:21:46.580 So it does seem as though the Home Office, and they've all received a letter or an email to say that their presence would not be conducive to the public good, but they can apply for a lot of money with a lot of forms, paperwork for the privilege of coming.
00:22:02.220 But they're not coming to work.
00:22:03.500 They're coming just to speak at an event.
00:22:05.860 But those four have been cancelled.
00:22:08.520 With five, with Lutz, I've also heard of a sixth one who contacted me.
00:22:12.580 So I understand that this is a tactic.
00:22:15.440 They want to do anything they can to stop it.
00:22:17.260 And part of that was because Tommy was so successful when he was over in the U.S., connected with so many people.
00:22:23.180 That will not go unpunished.
00:22:25.120 And this is obviously how they're trying to punish him, by blocking his speakers to arrive.
00:22:29.260 Peter, where do people get you in your shows up on War Room?
00:22:32.840 Where do people get your social media?
00:22:34.300 I'm going to get you back on Monday or Tuesday.
00:22:35.760 Go into some more detail.
00:22:36.760 It's outrageous.
00:22:37.560 They're blocking these Americans.
00:22:39.200 Well, anybody, but particularly the Americans.
00:22:41.080 The special relationship.
00:22:43.020 King Charles, where's that special relationship?
00:22:45.320 Oh, that's right.
00:22:45.760 You don't have anything to do with politics.
00:22:47.220 What about Starmer?
00:22:49.820 Peter, where do people get you, sir?
00:22:52.500 Well, they can get us.
00:22:53.480 We have a Glenn story on on Monday,
00:22:55.660 the CEO of Patriot Mobile,
00:22:57.820 who I know is on with you a lot, Steve.
00:22:59.840 I was in their office.
00:23:01.120 I caught up with him and filmed with him
00:23:03.060 in their studios when I was over in Texas.
00:23:05.080 So he's our guest on Monday.
00:23:07.220 But yeah, we are on War Room.
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00:23:32.320 The show's great.
00:23:33.820 Love it.
00:23:34.280 Love your interview style.
00:23:35.420 Thank you, brother.
00:23:36.060 Appreciate you.
00:23:37.740 Thank you.
00:23:38.600 Harnwell, I got to pivot to the Pope,
00:23:40.180 But give me a minute on this, on blocking these speakers, the Muslim Home Secretary blocking the speakers to come to Tommy Robinson's rally, sir.
00:23:52.380 Well, it's not a surprise. And of course, it's what the Labour Party is going to do.
00:23:56.460 huge islamic proponent of its demographic core voters now it's an easy it's picking low-hanging
00:24:04.060 fruit in order to curry favor with the the islamic bloc the contingent of labor voters
00:24:10.240 isn't it right just block a few uh right-wing rabble vows and you get millions of supports
00:24:16.900 arithmetic here steve takes care of itself pretty straightforward uh talk to me i gotta
00:24:23.660 I've got about four minutes.
00:24:25.740 Little Marco and the Pope, Drudge Mac Daddy,
00:24:29.600 was how the American Pope is the greatest.
00:24:34.240 People love him.
00:24:35.880 They love him and hate Trump.
00:24:38.520 What happened in Rome this week?
00:24:41.480 Well, it's pretty much, if you look at the analysis
00:24:44.020 of the mainstream media following the visit,
00:24:47.700 it's pretty much exactly as the war room had predicted
00:24:50.880 before little marco's visit during little marco's visit and following little marco's visit it's a
00:24:57.040 it's a huge it's it's my worst kind of tragedy steve which is the tragedy of missed opportunities
00:25:03.040 it's really where the administration could have underlined the importance of donald trump
00:25:08.140 as the key representative in the fight for christendom that's been ditched little marco's
00:25:13.480 gone over and shown massive moral authority to a person who is the sworn enemy of maga america first
00:25:20.300 and the trump agenda and it comes back to a point that again i say this constantly on the war room
00:25:25.660 you cannot fight a religious figure on the political front whilst at the same time giving
00:25:32.920 that religious figure moral credence moral authority in the spiritual realm doesn't work
00:25:40.200 all you're going to do is undermine yourself and that's exactly what's happened and you can see i
00:25:44.560 I know we'll dig into this after the break, but the whole tenor of the media now is that Leo, the first American pope, has massive leeway in the political sphere over the minds and emotional viewpoints of U.S. Catholics.
00:26:02.120 And it's a colossal own goal.
00:26:04.200 Didn't need to be like that.
00:26:07.360 Ben, actually, I got to jump because I get to AI.
00:26:09.960 I want to have you back on Monday.
00:26:11.820 We got to go through this because you're right.
00:26:13.600 president trump right for all his uh you know faults and he's the first to say that he has
00:26:22.140 faults has been the leader in the restoration of christendom as a political in christendom
00:26:28.640 as a political force and standing up for christendom across the globe and prevost
00:26:34.100 is the exact opposite i mean his trip to uh sub-saharan africa to me was an embarrassment
00:26:39.980 his embrace of islam is uh shows you everything you know you need to know about this guy yet we
00:26:46.900 went there and essentially raised him up as some moral authority he's not a moral authority when
00:26:52.580 it comes to this he just look at his actions ben harnwell we got about a minute your thoughts
00:26:57.340 yeah well look at what he said he said um when he was asked whether this being too political
00:27:02.260 he said i will continue to speak out loudly looking to promote peace promoting dialogue
00:27:08.360 and multilateral relationships.
00:27:11.200 It's all that, Steve, to American Catholics, it's in your face.
00:27:15.760 This guy is the honorary chaplain of the New World Order.
00:27:19.420 There's nothing in his mandate or the way he's approaching office
00:27:23.780 that even pretends to be promoting the gospel of Jesus Christ.
00:27:27.540 It's a political agenda.
00:27:29.800 And President Trump has been magnificent on defending Christianity around the world.
00:27:35.440 Absolutely magnificent.
00:27:36.140 defending peoples that the pope doesn't want to go near by the way ben where do people over the
00:27:42.640 weekend till we get you back on monday where do they go for your beady-eyed yet sharp analysis sir
00:27:47.700 steve adjectives are important i keep saying this cynical beady eyes getta is my social media
00:27:54.940 platform of choice tap-ins hanwell it's my surname and my cynical beady-eyed analysis
00:28:02.000 My daily provocations are all there at the top of my feed.
00:28:05.300 Thanks, Steve. Have a great weekend. God bless.
00:28:08.260 See you Monday, Ben. God bless you.
00:28:10.740 Short break. The Joe Allen in the threat of artificial intelligence,
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00:29:45.020 If you step back a moment and ask yourself, who is most aggressively demanding that we, meaning political leaders gathered here today, do the most aggressive regulation, it is very often the people who already have an incumbent advantage in the market.
00:30:02.340 And when a massive incumbent comes to us asking us for safety regulations, we ought to ask whether that safety regulation is for the benefit of our people or whether it's for the benefit of the incumbent.
00:30:15.380 The Trump administration will ensure that AI systems developed in America are free from ideological bias and never restrict our citizens' right to free speech.
00:30:26.640 We can trust our people to think, to consume information, to develop their own ideas, and to debate with one another in the open marketplace of ideas.
00:30:38.060 Now, we've also watched as hostile foreign adversaries have weaponized AI software to rewrite history, surveil users, and censor speech.
00:30:48.140 This is hardly new, of course.
00:30:49.500 As they do with other tech, some authoritarian regimes have stolen and used AI to strengthen their military intelligence and surveillance capabilities, capture foreign data, and create propaganda to undermine other nations' national security.
00:31:07.560 I want to be clear.
00:31:08.900 This administration will block such efforts full stop.
00:31:14.520 Okay, we're heading to Beijing.
00:31:16.300 Joe Allen joins me.
00:31:17.220 Now, you've had Scott Besant now give multiple interviews, Joe, where he's saying, hey, he's involved in this now, and safety is a top concern.
00:31:28.860 Coming from the meeting he had with the bank guys where they talked about the mythos was a preview that can evaporate, I don't know, can evaporate a money center bank by a cyber attack in like 60 seconds.
00:31:41.120 Now you've got Susie Wiles putting out, and this is because Hassett on Thursday or Friday,
00:31:47.880 it might have been yesterday, said, oh, we're setting up an FDA-type thing to look at AI.
00:31:53.280 And, of course, they all melted down.
00:31:54.500 And we're not an advocate of an FDA-type thing, although we are an advocate of atomic energy.
00:32:00.580 Susie came out and said, we're not going to pick winners and losers, but safety is a concern.
00:32:04.820 Why, all of a sudden, they're all concerned about safety?
00:32:07.660 Why, after they smack-talked War Room, the entire crowd over at the White House,
00:32:12.360 smack-talked you, me, War Room, oh, these guys are playing.
00:32:15.960 Because we knew the day was coming when someone like Anthropoc would come forward
00:32:22.080 and say, hey, look, we got these programs and we can't even control them.
00:32:25.200 We don't know how to control them.
00:32:26.600 And it's gotten worse.
00:32:27.720 With the recursive, where the machine's actually writing its own code,
00:32:32.740 it's going to get worse and worse and worse.
00:32:34.360 This is the gospel we've been preaching for five years, that this technology is very powerful.
00:32:38.760 It can be some great things for humanity, but you must be very careful.
00:32:43.240 And you have a group of people on the spectrum, i.e. the oligarchs, the leaders of this, that just want money and power.
00:32:51.820 In the White House, and particularly now, there's two stories, one in the Wall Street Journal and one in the Daily Mail,
00:32:56.560 that when the anthropic thing came out on Mythos, J.D. gets on the phone and says,
00:33:00.640 Hey, guys, we all got to work together. It got to be better. That's not good enough.
00:33:04.360 They're just not going to sit there with these guys and say, we've got to work together.
00:33:07.060 We've got to be better.
00:33:07.720 You've got to bang some heads.
00:33:10.140 These guys are not good guys.
00:33:12.300 They're actually bad guys, okay?
00:33:14.780 And they're in charge of this.
00:33:15.920 And they've tried everything in the world to try to get a license from the administration
00:33:20.480 to just go full bore.
00:33:22.860 And now we realize it is quite a problem, as we told you over and over and over again.
00:33:29.700 So no, getting on a conference call and saying, hey, guys, can't we all just get along and
00:33:34.140 work together? Can we give a heads up? This is a serious danger. When Scott Besson's sitting there
00:33:39.620 going, hey, I think a money center bank can be gone in 60 seconds. When Jamie Dimon's worried
00:33:43.940 about JP Morgan Bank, there are certain elements of this we have no control over. There's certain
00:33:52.240 elements of it in that the machines are actually getting more aggressive on their own and writing
00:33:57.420 their own code, what they call recursive, that we have no earthy idea where this is going. And now,
00:34:03.120 And Hassett says FDA.
00:34:04.800 We've never mentioned that.
00:34:06.500 That, to me, is a little heavy-handed.
00:34:08.140 We don't – the FDA we have doesn't work.
00:34:11.100 But an Atomic Energy Commission or something, there must be a framework for regulation here, not just around children, which has to happen because that's horrible, but about exactly what these folks are doing.
00:34:24.160 Joe Allen, the floor is yours.
00:34:25.480 yes steve this is the mythos moment as they say but i think that even that is narrowing the scope
00:34:36.000 of the problem quite a bit you know besant when he came out saying that the united states government
00:34:43.340 would not allow unsafe systems to be deployed what the main focus was is the danger of financial
00:34:51.400 institutions and other critical infrastructure being undermined by, say, just a random hacker
00:34:58.480 who otherwise wouldn't have the capabilities, but using a system like Mythos or using a system
00:35:05.440 like OpenAI's GPT 5.5 cyber, which was just announced two days ago, basically OpenAI's
00:35:14.920 version of mythos. The real issue here, I think, Steve, the reason that suddenly people are taking
00:35:22.100 this seriously is that the institutions and the assets that the ruling class hold dear, being
00:35:32.060 banks, money, the institutions responsible for maintaining and wielding power, they are now
00:35:39.540 under threat by the AI systems being created and at least the threat that they would be deployed.
00:35:47.200 Now, I think that governing this, having some agency or another, whether it's the Department
00:35:53.860 of Energy in a kind of atomic commission scenario, or whether you have DHS, or whether you have,
00:36:01.980 as it's being suggested quite loudly by OpenAI and the Abundance Institute, and also the White
00:36:07.680 house, Casey, the Center for AI Standards and Innovation, whatever it is, I think it's a minimum
00:36:14.580 ask, a minimum ask to have someone besides the tech CEOs and their minions watching over these
00:36:23.000 systems, trying to understand what the potential threats are. Because right now, Steve, this mythos
00:36:29.260 moment is highlighting the potential for AI systems to be used for cyber attacks. And they
00:36:35.000 could be cyber attacks against banks. They could be cyber attacks against hospitals, against water
00:36:39.700 plants, as it was talked about on this phone call with J.D. Vance and the various frontier execs.
00:36:45.560 It could be schools. It could be any government agency. It could be the military. It could be all
00:36:49.980 of that, but that's just the tip of the iceberg. We also know that these systems are capable of
00:36:55.620 assisting in the creation of bioweapons. We know that these systems are able to be used in an
00:37:02.180 agentic fashion to have phishing operations, spam, nudging public opinion, dissemination of
00:37:10.620 disinformation, misinformation, so on and so forth. You have deep fake capabilities. You have
00:37:17.200 the ability to, or the latent capability of suicide coaching, whether it be children or
00:37:24.620 anyone else, mass shooting coaching. And you also have the problems of hallucination. And then on
00:37:30.760 the other side of that, Steve, you know, the problem of hallucination highlights how these
00:37:34.180 systems are stupid. On the other side of that, you have the possibility that these systems will
00:37:39.860 exhibit so-called superhuman capabilities, again, in cyber attacks, in deepfake creation,
00:37:46.220 in disinformation dissemination, so on and so forth. So I think, Steve, that what Besson is
00:37:51.660 simply stating that the United States government needs to ensure that these systems are quote
00:37:58.660 safe, I think that is a minimum ask. And I think that the threat of cyber attacks or any kind of
00:38:06.060 cybersecurity threat, that is one facet among many in which these systems can be used not only
00:38:13.980 to damage financial institutions or any other kind of critical infrastructure. These systems
00:38:20.080 across the board are already degrading schools. They're already creating kind of hallucinatory
00:38:27.100 diagnoses and therapeutic recommendations for doctors they're already most likely uh creating
00:38:35.160 situations in which kill decisions are made by the military without adequate review so again i i think
00:38:43.120 besan is 100 correct that the united states government has to be involved in this i don't
00:38:48.680 think it should be voluntary as it's being proposed now that it's not it's not it's not it can't be
00:38:54.180 listen let's just cut to the chase okay these guys look the other way people in the administration
00:39:00.760 not giving president trump full information well went out of their way to look the other way and
00:39:06.760 let these oligarchs just run rampant with this thing right and then until the war got involved
00:39:13.560 they tried to make anthropic and look anthropics kind of woke right there's issues there you know
00:39:20.400 I'm not pushing any one company.
00:39:23.480 But when Anthropoc held back because they said, hey, these things so – we don't know how to control it.
00:39:28.240 I don't know how we're going to feel comfortable turning it over to the War Department.
00:39:31.420 And at first, this is terrible.
00:39:33.100 This is not going to happen.
00:39:34.240 We're going to have that.
00:39:35.660 We said, oh, you're wrong on this.
00:39:38.080 And guess what?
00:39:39.320 They admitted they're wrong on that.
00:39:40.760 They're actually working with Anthropoc more than ever, correct, Joe?
00:39:43.640 Because their initial take was incorrect.
00:39:47.280 um yeah i want to i want to go ahead go ahead it just it just highlights that you know on the one
00:39:54.760 hand you can you can rattle the sabers and say we don't need you anymore and of course the
00:39:59.640 department of war is now making deals across the board with open ai with xai with amazon with
00:40:05.800 microsoft so on and so forth to bring them in to replace anthropic uh and claude in the role of
00:40:12.020 going over classified documents, but the use, the continued use of Claude for both reviewing
00:40:18.880 and analyzing and summarizing classified documents and also to review surveillance data for faster
00:40:26.360 decision-making processes on the battleground. What it shows is that people see both the power
00:40:32.220 of these systems. They see that these companies are wielding that power. They're leveraging that
00:40:37.300 power to kind of dictate what either the Department of War is doing or what any other United States
00:40:43.300 government agency may be doing. And it also highlights, Steve, that what we're dealing with
00:40:49.700 here isn't some sort of static technology. It's not like the models, the mythos, that that's the
00:40:56.460 last one. And once we get that under wraps, everything's okay. These guys are going full
00:41:00.620 board trying to develop more and more capable technologies. They're ignoring the faults of the
00:41:06.420 technologies, and they're also, in many cases, whitewashing the dangerous capabilities of these
00:41:12.000 technologies. Yes, I think, again, it's a minimum ask. Have someone accountable to the people,
00:41:17.940 that being the United States government, overseeing the development of these technologies
00:41:23.080 and forcing transparency. What's going on inside these systems? How are they being trained? What
00:41:29.680 data is being used? Look, we're anti-regulatory and we're deconstructing administrative state.
00:41:35.860 We're not trying to add another bureau.
00:41:37.560 This is a massive national security problem for the citizens of this country.
00:41:42.180 The other is what these oligarchs are doing with the Chinese Communist Party.
00:41:46.000 Part of the meeting in Beijing to tell them, hey, look, no more chips, no more education,
00:41:50.580 no more students coming over here, no more guys working in our labs, none of it.
00:41:55.020 No equity, no debt, no nothing.
00:41:57.060 I want to go back.
00:41:58.060 I'm holding you to the break.
00:41:59.060 Real quickly, just to find hallucination, particularly for some audience members.
00:42:03.080 and they get because hallucinations is bad enough but then you have the machines showing their own
00:42:10.520 individual will not to be corrected to lie and get around that what is hallucinations first
00:42:16.260 it's a really important concept it's one we've hit a lot and it's simply the tendency is also
00:42:23.200 called confabulation but it's the tendency of advanced systems to confidently state some fact
00:42:29.660 or another, or even make whole arguments that are simply fabricated. They're incorrect.
00:42:34.740 And the hallucinations have not been stamped out of these systems. You hear all the time,
00:42:39.300 oh, we're correcting for them. If you look, for instance, at the omniscience index,
00:42:43.960 which we covered in detail, it's an evaluation which shows that in general, on average,
00:42:50.060 the systems that are more capable when they don't know the answer to a question are more
00:42:55.340 likely to hallucinate or to give a confident answer that is simply false now in education
00:43:01.240 that's important in medicine that's really important and in the military context well
00:43:06.600 obviously it's potentially deadly uh joe hang on right there joe's in the uh actually uh in the
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00:45:52.520 Joe Allen, what is concerning about the Wall Street Journal and Daily Mail
00:45:56.700 is that having a call after this has happened is not acceptable.
00:46:01.660 This has been known, we've talked about it on the show,
00:46:04.380 in detail for years.
00:46:06.940 This day was coming.
00:46:08.100 It's obvious this day is coming.
00:46:09.580 It's just like Harnwell said about the Islamic invasion
00:46:13.120 of the United Kingdom.
00:46:14.620 You're dealing with the consequences now,
00:46:16.540 not getting ahead of the problem.
00:46:18.140 Why the hell do you think we're down in Texas on this issue?
00:46:21.120 You've got to get ahead of these problems.
00:46:23.880 If you're in these leadership positions,
00:46:25.660 If you're fortunate enough like us to have this platform, you have to lead, not react, lead.
00:46:31.680 That's why we're down in Texas.
00:46:33.640 That's where we're in Virginia.
00:46:35.620 The grassroots in this country are the power in this country, but you have to say, hey, look, here, I think it's going to be a problem.
00:46:41.040 H1B visas, big problem.
00:46:42.980 This Islamic invasion, big problem.
00:46:44.840 What's happened overseas, got to stop it, got to get ahead of it, or you're going to deal with the consequences, which are so difficult to reverse.
00:46:52.620 Artificial intelligence is that to the 10th power of people.
00:46:57.160 Once the genie's out of the bottle, you just saw the economic numbers.
00:47:00.100 Didn't they say the growth of the American companies because they're building a data center,
00:47:03.780 something we think right now ought to be a moratorium?
00:47:07.160 Joe Allen, you've been ahead of the curve here.
00:47:09.820 Your thoughts, sir?
00:47:13.260 Again, Steve, I think that some sort of accountability,
00:47:16.680 whether it be state level or federal level some declared accountability so that if a company for
00:47:25.640 instance under sb 53 in california if a company has put out a model that is used to create damage
00:47:32.820 that the company could have foreseen then they can be held liable in court they will be fined
00:47:39.840 It's a minimum ask, a minimum ask.
00:47:43.160 And with the mythos moment, right, coupled with OpenAI's GPT 5.5 cyber, this mythos moment, the potential for massive cyber attacks that amateurs can then create, this shows us that these systems are not simply tools that make people's lives easier.
00:48:06.360 These are systems that can be extraordinarily dangerous.
00:48:10.580 And so the suggestion that you would use an agency like Casey, the Center for AI Standards and Innovation, to test the models before they're released, again, that would be a minimum ask.
00:48:24.360 And the suggestion that this should be voluntary, that basically companies would voluntarily submit their models for rubber stamping of safe and effective, it's ridiculous.
00:48:35.920 And we hear simultaneously OpenAI pushing, last month as we covered, OpenAI pushing Casey to be basically the hinge upon which the U.S. government and these tech companies would revolve.
00:48:54.300 And you also hear the Abundance Institute suggesting the same.
00:48:57.960 It tells me that they see this as the weakest point in the system.
00:49:02.460 So I think that, again, even if Chris Fall, the current director of Casey, comes from the Department of Energy, I think the Department of Energy is much better equipped to do this sort of oversight because they've already handled things like nuclear threats.
00:49:18.060 But in general, Steve, I just if I can end on this right now, we see both the Treasury Secretary Scott Besant and now Vice President J.D. Vance acknowledging the actual danger that has been talked about for years.
00:49:35.700 Cyber attacks are one facet. You have to go down the list. Bioweapons, deepfakes, rogue agentic AI, children being groomed sexually, children being given suicide coaching, psychopaths being given mass shooting coaching, on and on and on.
00:49:56.560 these systems latent within them have the potential for horrific, malicious sort of
00:50:03.120 activity behavior. What we have to do, I believe, is at the very least have agencies accountable to
00:50:10.580 the people overseeing this. If you don't, if the companies are allowed to self-regulate,
00:50:15.120 they will do exactly what they've done so far, which is run roughshod over the public
00:50:19.700 and recklessly deploy an extremely dangerous technology.
00:50:24.280 Big time.
00:50:25.420 And the next year, if we don't do it,
00:50:27.060 this next year is going to be total chaos.
00:50:28.740 Where they go for your writings, Joe,
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00:50:40.200 Thank you very much, Steve.
00:50:41.340 Thank you.
00:50:41.820 Thank you, brother.
00:50:42.540 Appreciate you always.
00:50:43.720 Thank you for being in the war every day.
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00:52:42.060 Trevor Comstock, thank you.
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00:52:46.120 I'll be up on social media the entire weekend.
00:52:48.280 I'll see you back at 10 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time on Monday morning.
00:52:52.340 Have a great weekend.
00:52:53.140 See you then.
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