Bannon's War Room - May 11, 2026


Episode 5362： Standing Firm In South Carolina Against Democrat Redistricting Efforts


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Trump reacts to Iran's counterproposal on the Strait of Hormuz and demands, and calls it "totally unacceptable." What does this mean for the possibility of peace between Iran and the United States? And what does it mean for world peace?

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00:00:00.000 Waiting game here at the White House this weekend, but as you mentioned, the United States has now
00:00:04.700 received a response from Iran on its proposal to bring this conflict to an end, and President
00:00:11.160 Donald Trump says that he is not happy with it. I want to pull up that full response for you now.
00:00:17.540 This came on True Social Sunday. Trump said, I have just read the response from Iran's so-called
00:00:23.740 representatives. I don't like it. And then in all caps, he called it totally unacceptable.
00:00:30.000 Now, it's obvious that Trump does not believe that this response puts the United States in a place for serious negotiations.
00:00:37.880 But there are still a lot of questions, and we have reached out to the White House for specifics on this.
00:00:44.000 What was included in the response and how far does it go, if at all, in addressing Iran's nuclear capabilities,
00:00:50.140 its highly enriched uranium, the things that we have been discussing for several weeks?
00:00:54.380 According to Iranian state media, that counterproposal, it included acknowledgement of sovereignty of the Strait of Hormuz and demands for compensation.
00:01:05.880 Those non-starters here at the White House.
00:01:08.880 And this response, it came later than many administration officials had predicted.
00:01:13.760 In fact, Trump and other officials on Friday said that they thought that they would receive a response from Tehran sometime that day.
00:01:21.140 Even then, Trump was pressed on the timing if he believed that Iran was slow rolling this response.
00:01:27.700 And he essentially said, we'll find out soon enough.
00:01:31.040 In an interview with Axios yesterday, Trump did confirm that he had spoken with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu,
00:01:38.560 that the two discussed the Iranian response as well as other matters.
00:01:42.420 They have been in close contact throughout these peace negotiations, these attempts at peace negotiations.
00:01:48.560 He did categorize that as a good phone call.
00:01:51.140 And all of this comes as he is preparing for a high-stakes trip to China,
00:01:56.240 where he will have bilateral meetings with Chinese leader Xi Jinping.
00:01:59.900 We expect there to be a welcome ceremony, those meetings leading up to a state banquet.
00:02:06.000 And this topic of the conflict in Iran and all that it impacts will no doubt loom large.
00:02:11.880 Is the war with Iran over? And if it isn't, who will decide when it is?
00:02:16.620 I think it accomplished a great deal, but it's not over because there's still nuclear material, enriched uranium, that has to be taken out of Iran.
00:02:26.380 There are still enrichment sites that have to be dismantled.
00:02:31.200 There are still proxies that Iran supports. 0.76
00:02:34.560 There are ballistic missiles that they still want to produce. 0.98
00:02:38.120 Now, we've degraded a lot of it, but all of that is still there, and there's work to be done. 0.83
00:02:44.300 How do you envision the highly enriched uranium will be removed from Iran?
00:02:49.060 You go in and you take it out.
00:02:51.640 With what? Special forces from Israel, special forces of the United States?
00:02:55.160 Well, I'm not going to talk about military means, but what President Trump has said to me,
00:02:59.900 I want to go in there. And I think it can be done physically. That's not the problem.
00:03:04.400 If you have an agreement and you go in and you take it out, why not? That's the best way.
00:03:10.360 What if there isn't an agreement? Can it be taken out by force?
00:03:13.620 well you're going to ask me these questions i'm going to dodge them because i'm not going to talk
00:03:17.940 about our military uh possibilities plans or anything of the kind and i'm just trying to get
00:03:23.620 at how long is it going to take to achieve that aim i'm not going to give a timetable to it but
00:03:29.140 i'm going to say that's a terrifically important mission i don't think we could quantify it exactly
00:03:36.260 But I think that the problem of the Hormuz Straits was understood as the fighting went on.
00:03:45.680 It became understood?
00:03:47.040 It became understood.
00:03:47.700 Was it misread at the beginning?
00:03:49.500 I think, I'm not sure it was misread, but there's a great risk for Iran to do it.
00:03:55.000 And it took a while for them to understand how big that risk is, which they understand now.
00:03:59.060 Because of the blockade?
00:04:00.160 Because of the blockade, and that's actually a brilliant move by the president.
00:04:03.800 I think it's very smart.
00:04:06.260 And I don't think they calculated, well, I think they didn't calculate the response that this would have.
00:04:15.460 Yes, they could cause a global dislocation of markets, trying to take over an international maritime route.
00:04:23.160 They could do that, but they should have understood that that would eventually cause a reaction that was very powerful.
00:04:30.640 And that is now collapsing their economy.
00:04:32.620 so that people understand that we understand that yeah they could do it but then they wouldn't do
00:04:37.760 it because they understood what would happen if they did do it uh yeah no i don't claim a perfect
00:04:42.920 foresight and nobody had perfect foresight neither did the iranians they should have figured out that
00:04:47.400 that's what's coming envision the highly enriched uranium will be removed from iran you go in and
00:04:54.260 you take it out with what special forces from israel special forces united states working in
00:04:59.220 TANDEM UNDER INTERNATIONAL SUPERVISION, HOW?
00:05:01.600 WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT MILITARY MEANS, BUT WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS SAID TO
00:05:06.100 ME, I WANT TO GO IN THERE.
00:05:07.980 I MEAN, HE SAID THAT PUBLICLY.
00:05:09.620 HE SAID IT, AND I THINK HE'S RIGHT.
00:05:11.400 HE'S VERY COMMITTED TO THIS.
00:05:14.520 AND I THINK IT CAN BE DONE PHYSICALLY.
00:05:16.240 THAT'S NOT THE PROBLEM.
00:05:17.660 IF YOU HAVE AN AGREEMENT AND YOU GO IN AND YOU TAKE IT OUT, WHY NOT?
00:05:22.060 THAT'S THE BEST WAY.
00:05:23.380 WHAT IF THERE ISN'T AN AGREEMENT?
00:05:24.560 CAN IT BE TAKEN OUT BY FORCE?
00:05:26.260 WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO ASK ME THESE QUESTIONS.
00:05:28.800 I'm going to dodge them, so you can ask me that second time, third time, and I'll dodge it second time, third time.
00:05:36.380 Because I'm not going to talk about our military possibilities, plans.
00:05:42.000 I want to talk about the isolationists, the neo-fascists, who accuse our president and our country and our military of imperialism and colonialism in this war.
00:05:54.440 who accused Israel and the prime minister there, Netanyahu, of dragging us into a war,
00:06:00.520 who accused Jews of controlling the president, Jews controlling our foreign policy, 0.98
00:06:05.640 and all the rest of the Jew hatred they spew, 0.99
00:06:09.020 while the Persian people are being slaughtered and abused. 1.00
00:06:15.440 You all disgust me the most. 0.99
00:06:17.580 On February 11th, Mr. Netanyahu made a hard sell, 0.98
00:06:20.940 suggesting that Iran was ripe for regime change
00:06:25.000 and expressing the belief that a joint U.S.-Israeli mission 0.77
00:06:29.220 could finally bring an end to the Islamic Republic. 1.00
00:06:33.660 Is that correct? 0.91
00:06:34.500 No, that's actually incorrect because...
00:06:36.960 In what ways is it incorrect?
00:06:38.160 It's incorrect in the sense that I said,
00:06:39.840 oh, well, it's guaranteed, we can do it, and so on.
00:06:42.220 I didn't say that.
00:06:43.960 We both understood that we have little time to act
00:06:47.520 because otherwise they'd get nuclear weapons.
00:06:49.200 We both understood that we have little time to act because otherwise they'll vary underground their ballistic missile capabilities.
00:06:58.140 But while we were, we said that part of the action would be the removal of the leadership and other measures, there was uncertainty.
00:07:07.240 And we said it. All this, you know, is uncertain.
00:07:10.260 If you ever, you know, engage in military operations.
00:07:12.900 In the confines of that conversation, you noted the uncertainty.
00:07:16.400 Not only did I know that we both agreed, you know, that there was both uncertainty and risk involved.
00:07:24.680 And I remember that we, I said, and he said, that the danger, there's danger in action, in taking action.
00:07:33.680 But there's greater danger in not taking action.
00:07:37.920 So there was no certainty there, there was no guarantee.
00:07:41.140 It wasn't pie in the sky the way people describe it.
00:07:44.040 It was, I think, a very truthful presentation of the possibilities and the risk.
00:07:51.620 At that point, looking forward, Mr. Prime Minister, do you believe it's time for the state of Israel to re-examine and possibly reset its financial relationship to the United States, meaning what the United States provides to Israel on an annual basis?
00:08:08.980 Absolutely.
00:08:09.960 And I've said this to President Trump.
00:08:11.880 I've said it to our own people.
00:08:14.040 their jaws dropped but I said look what do you mean what are you saying what I'm saying is that
00:08:20.680 I want to draw down to zero the American financial support the financial component of the military
00:08:28.200 cooperation that we have because we receive we receive 3.8 billion dollars a year now it's true
00:08:35.600 you spend trillions of dollars or hundreds of billions and billions of dollars in Afghanistan
00:08:41.400 and so on. And one of your senators said, hell, if we had an Israel instead of Afghanistan,
00:08:47.720 you know, over there, we wouldn't have to spend a trillion dollars. It would be a lot
00:08:53.760 cheaper. But I'm saying it's going to be a lot cheaper because I want to draw down the
00:08:58.700 American support for Israel to zero. We've come of age. We have a booming economy. After
00:09:05.020 three years of war, you know, our currency is the strongest it's ever been in the last
00:09:09.480 50 years, maybe more.
00:09:11.580 Our stock market is one of the leading stock markets in the world.
00:09:14.800 It's because we have this very high-tech, juggernaut economy, one of the two centers
00:09:22.200 of cross-discipline, breaking technologies, just changing the world.
00:09:29.300 And we have a lot of talent here, which we share with our American friends, and we're
00:09:33.540 going to share it with our Arab friends, too.
00:09:36.080 And I think that it's time that we weaned ourselves from the remaining military support
00:09:44.300 and go from aid to partnership.
00:09:47.720 So I want to draw it down, and then I want to suggest projects, joint projects, for intel,
00:09:53.660 for weapons, for missile defense.
00:09:56.140 Israel, I think, is a leader in this in the world.
00:09:59.900 Many countries come to us for it.
00:10:01.080 I'd like to share it with the United States.
00:10:02.920 We put an exact amount of money.
00:10:04.500 You put the same.
00:10:05.500 the fruits. Exactly. Another part of this, though, that we have to realize is actually
00:10:10.140 humiliation. This is not only about the political tactics of moving around districts and getting
00:10:18.340 people elected. I think the uniformity that you see Southern Republicans moving and redistricting
00:10:24.720 and redistricting quickly is about what they perceive as payback and an unfair
00:10:31.620 stacking of the deck from their reading of the Civil Rights Act. And so this is about overturning
00:10:37.740 two generations of broad consensus in America. We have to remember that the reauthorization of
00:10:42.980 the Voting Rights Act in the early 2000s passed with a massive bipartisan majority. It was
00:10:49.080 proposed by George Bush at the time, not a liberal by any stretch of the imagination.
00:10:54.480 But there are people that have been resentful since 1965. And that resentment is paying
00:11:00.000 is paying off right now in terms of what they're doing.
00:11:04.620 This isn't only about the tactics and the filing deadlines and the seat margins.
00:11:08.840 But I get your point, but it's about winning it.
00:11:11.960 So, I mean, I get the, you know, I get the humanitarian part of it and I get it.
00:11:17.300 And I agree.
00:11:18.160 I don't think it's humanitarian.
00:11:19.120 I should think that it's about winning it.
00:11:20.900 I think if you want to.
00:11:21.960 I think this is raw racial politics.
00:11:23.560 I don't actually think that this is about humanitarian anything.
00:11:26.100 I think this is about raw racial politics in this country and in the South in particular.
00:11:31.180 Then use the law to win it back.
00:11:32.800 That's what I'm saying.
00:11:33.820 Well, the law was there, and we had a majority Supreme Court which said that the purpose of the law to address racial discrimination was actually racially discriminatory.
00:11:42.540 A new generation of Americans have to show up, stand up, speak up, fight, get into good trouble to usher in an era of progress.
00:11:51.120 We went from the progress of emancipation to the backlash of Jim Crow. 0.51
00:11:55.440 The progress of the civil rights movement to the backlash of mass incarceration, the progress of electing Barack Obama to the backlash that has resulted in the elevation of Donald Trump, MAGA extremism and this behavior that we're seeing coming out of the Supreme Court of the United States to throw the American South back into the Jim Crow era. 0.54
00:12:16.440 So it's going to take an all hands on deck effort.
00:12:18.820 monday 11 may year of our lord 2026 we're packed today we're going to go to the white house there's
00:12:27.240 going to be an event um there's going to be an event on women's health care that we're going to
00:12:32.040 get to momentarily 10 30 we'll pick it up and follow it as long as we're breaking news on it
00:12:37.400 and then we'll come back uh we'll dip out come back to the show uh and we'll go back if he takes
00:12:42.920 The president takes questions from the media because there's a lot going on.
00:12:48.540 Obviously, the president said, you know, totally unacceptable, I think was his words, about the proposal we got from Iran.
00:12:59.340 I may want to add, we talked on the Friday and Saturday show, Axios and other organizations that have tremendous access to the West Wing, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Axios.
00:13:12.920 We're all saying that, yeah, they were, you know, 10 days late on this, but White House
00:13:19.320 officials and members of the administration were working with elements over there to get
00:13:23.740 something.
00:13:24.220 It's totally unacceptable.
00:13:25.380 They get sovereignty of the straight-over moves, and there's reparations.
00:13:28.920 And of course, there's no mention whatsoever on the nuclear situation.
00:13:31.600 So President Trump, very upset.
00:13:34.560 His true socials, you know, told you as much.
00:13:38.220 We're going to get in the second hour about where we go from here. 0.59
00:13:41.340 also Netanyahu I'll break that down later he can look in the eye and bald-faced lie I mean
00:13:49.480 unless the New York Times story which no one's refuted back from April where J.D. Vance Marco
00:13:57.060 Rubio General Cain and in the chairman of the joint or the head of the director of the joint
00:14:02.260 chiefs of the director of the CIA all uniformly said that that's exactly what Netanyahu and the
00:14:10.040 Assad said, that the Persians would fold up in 72 hours and the people, the Persians would take
00:14:15.920 to the streets and overthrow the regime. Guess what didn't happen? But there he's denying it.
00:14:22.980 No, never said that. Didn't happen. Also, this, he couldn't rub your nose more about how great
00:14:29.260 the Israeli economy is. I agree. That's why the Memorandum of Understanding, which is now proposed
00:14:34.680 for 10 years was 38 billion has to go to zero today no no memorandum of understanding they're
00:14:40.820 a wealthy country they can pay for their defense themselves and then we don't get tangled up with 0.99
00:14:47.360 america's greatest ally we can just deal with the arabs who are the second greatest ally another 0.98
00:14:53.740 great pieces of work over there short break caroline wren in south carolina next
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00:16:24.380 out welcome back by the way i i don't believe the new york times story i certainly don't believe
00:16:35.960 the leaks coming from those around the president i don't but i think that that has got to be i don't
00:16:42.960 know investigated later like i said i hate the fact that we're in this world but now we got to
00:16:48.360 win it and i think everybody instead of going to rome and going to iowa everybody would get to dc
00:16:52.900 because there's wishful thinking going on those leaks from the white house during the week oh
00:16:58.060 behind the scenes we're working with respectable people we're going to come if what the president
00:17:03.460 said in his total rejection he says totally unacceptable totally unacceptable if that's
00:17:09.900 what they came back with uh they're not interested in winding this thing down this is why in if you're 0.67
00:17:16.660 going to do this beijing trip this has got to be the top of the list beijing's supplying these guys
00:17:21.040 with arms in the overland route and we know in fact sam faddis i'm trying to get sam in the
00:17:27.360 second hour if we can pull in magazine sam's got like 10 points if you want to shut this thing
00:17:31.620 down you got to shut it down including making sure the chinese communist party's not getting
00:17:35.820 any oil at all that it's not somehow being going to iraq and then you know being blended and going 0.81
00:17:42.480 out in a ghost ship you got to get serious about this because they just told you with no respect 0.84
00:17:48.980 that we're not beaten we think we're winning okay if that's what you think that's what you think
00:17:55.180 somebody's got to disabuse them of that otherwise you're going to be there for a couple of years
00:17:59.840 not just through the midterms so don't just focus on the midterms focus on the reality of where
00:18:05.860 these people think they are we'll get to that in a moment uh caroline wren the democrats showed 0.91
00:18:14.560 The mask came off after they started losing in the last couple of days.
00:18:19.380 The mask came off.
00:18:20.360 Just how radical, and this is not the punks in Tennessee at the statehouse we showed last week. 0.82
00:18:27.500 This is not the punks in the street for all these no-kings rallies.
00:18:31.360 This is the leadership of the Democratic Party taking the most radical, what they're trying to do in Virginia.
00:18:37.020 They're trying to dissolve the Supreme Court in Virginia and have a do-over right now.
00:18:41.460 and I mean a radical plan in the commonwealth to dissolve the supreme court they're also talking
00:18:46.660 about openly talking about packing the supreme court of the united states people better start
00:18:51.120 taking them seriously you because too many establishment republicans just sitting there
00:18:55.840 oh no we're going to play back they're not playing by the rules they are adamantly opposed to the
00:19:00.660 constitutional order just like the bolsheviks that they are caroline wren your thoughts on
00:19:06.060 why are we not going to a maximalist strategy here ma'am
00:19:09.740 yeah i made this point over the weekend uh specifically about this the new york times
00:19:16.940 article that came out about how the congressional democrats spent the weekend trying to implement a
00:19:21.580 plan for a new congressional map in virginia which involved lowering the retirement age of
00:19:26.400 the virginia supreme court justices so they could kick the ones that opposed them off of the court
00:19:30.840 and then invalidating the constitutional amendment that created the bipartisan redistricting commission
00:19:36.100 which like again it is I said this it is a categorically insane thing to do but the 0.80
00:19:41.700 Democrats are categorically insane and this is kind of the level of insanity that I was wanting
00:19:46.520 to see from say Brian Kemp because the Democrats are always willing to cross the line and while 0.99
00:19:53.080 the GOP dances around democracy you know and it like it's just silly to me with with Brian Kemp
00:19:58.840 was saying oh we can't you know voting is started I'm like okay give me a break like the if there
00:20:03.480 was a democrat governor there if this was all reversed like they would have already invalidated
00:20:08.000 the votes and you know and and redone this election and we know this now by what they're
00:20:12.740 openly saying about virginia and it's the same with packing the court look i mean like i was
00:20:18.780 listening to this podcast with andrew weissman over the weekend he's a big democrat attorney
00:20:22.600 he was the leading prosecutor for robert mueller's team but he said guys slow your roll on saying
00:20:27.020 pack the court because the republicans might figure out that the only way to do that is if
00:20:31.320 you have all three branches of government, which the Republicans currently do, and God forbid
00:20:35.720 President Trump figures out he could do it, and they move forward. And I was like, you know what,
00:20:39.940 this guy's exactly right. Why are we saying it's outrageous the Democrats are saying this?
00:20:44.500 President Trump should immediately announce four new Supreme Court justices. Might I recommend
00:20:49.200 Supreme Court Justice Eileen Cannon, Supreme Court Justice Mike Davis, Supreme Court Justice Mike
00:20:54.520 Lee, and Supreme Court Justice Ted Cruz? We have all three branches of government. And so let's
00:20:59.540 fight fire with fire president trump go ahead say you know what the democrats they're right let's 0.95
00:21:04.280 pack the court let's do it and then pack the freaking court because these democrats like
00:21:09.320 we've got to call them out and we got to we got to play the games that they're willing to play 0.78
00:21:13.320 and we have the power to actually do it while they don't go back i want to take a second just
00:21:18.620 go back because they started in virginia then they went to the supreme court and and you may
00:21:23.120 say they're insane this is a plan that they're trying to work through with lawyers right now
00:21:27.120 of the Andrew Weissmans of the world. They've got a very smart legal team. So the Mark Elias,
00:21:31.260 all these guys are on it. What are they trying to do? And if people think this is a last gas
00:21:36.100 measure, they'll come up with something else, but they are working on this. This is leadership.
00:21:39.580 This is not a bunch of fringe people, you know, in some text chain. This is a conference call
00:21:45.820 to rally their troops, rally their money to do this. Walk through what they want to do in the
00:21:49.820 Commonwealth again. Yeah, this was Hakeem Jeffries and like the the the Democrat Party's
00:21:56.100 attorneys that were strategizing here on what to do. And the Supreme Court justices in Virginia
00:22:01.200 are appointed by the legislature. They are then reelected by the legislature every 10 years.
00:22:06.140 So their plan was to go in and have the Virginia legislature, which is majority Democrat control
00:22:12.600 right now, pass a bill that would lower the retirement age of South Carolina Supreme Court
00:22:17.940 judges that thus virginia virginia several yes virginia kicking off several of the judges that
00:22:24.460 they could then appoint new ones that they know would vote in their favor on this map like this
00:22:31.400 is how crazy this is but they this was not a like fake call this was a real plan that they had mapped
00:22:37.420 out over the weekend that they mean just because the new york times got it doesn't mean they're
00:22:42.320 not going to try and do it right like i'm glad people got wind of it we can talk about it now
00:22:46.520 and call it out for how insane it is.
00:22:48.580 Just because it's insane
00:22:49.500 doesn't mean they won't try it.
00:22:51.280 And talk to me about Weissman on this podcast.
00:22:54.820 What did Weissman say?
00:22:56.540 So Weissman specifically on this podcast
00:22:57.940 was talking about packing the U.S. Supreme Court.
00:23:00.420 This is different from Virginia Supreme Court.
00:23:02.080 He was saying, hey guys,
00:23:03.940 slow your roll on talking about
00:23:05.700 packing the U.S. Supreme Court
00:23:07.460 because Donald Trump might get wind of this idea
00:23:10.380 and realize the only way to pack the U.S. Supreme Court
00:23:13.440 is you'd have to have all three branches of government,
00:23:15.720 which Republicans have. You'd have to nuke the filibuster, which Republicans don't have the
00:23:20.360 guts to actually do right now, but we're working hard to change that. But Donald Trump could still
00:23:25.140 take this playbook that Democrats are talking about packing the court. He could do it right 0.55
00:23:28.800 now. And so my point is, don't threaten me with a good time. Let's do it. Let's pack it.
00:23:35.540 I love it. We'll get on this right away. Talk to me about South Carolina. Why is South Carolina?
00:23:40.540 We got some other states that are a little hesitant to go all in. We got Clyburn's district
00:23:44.780 down there that's unconstitutional, ma'am, and been unconstitutional for decades. Why are we 0.99
00:23:50.320 not eliminating that unconstitutional congressional district? Well, the South Carolina Democrats and
00:23:57.280 their partners in the media are trying to use the ridiculous playbook, which is the same playbook
00:24:01.640 that they did in Tennessee, which is they're on media saying, oh, this new map is great. We're
00:24:06.320 actually going to pick up seats. The thing is they're bluffing. Do not fall for it. Just look
00:24:10.600 at Tennessee. The Tennessee Democrats in the lead up to that vote, they were all on the national
00:24:14.680 media saying, this is great. We're going to possibly pick up two seats. Then the vote actually
00:24:19.760 happens and they have a full blown meltdown on the House floor when it passes. So some of these
00:24:25.280 squishy Republican, South Carolina state senators or others, they're buying these talking points by
00:24:31.180 the Democrats like Bakari Sellers and Joe Cunningham who are saying, oh, this new South
00:24:36.180 Carolina map is great because it'll actually probably result in a 5-2 map. So Democrats pick
00:24:41.080 up a seat. My point is that it's preposterous. If that was the case, if they actually believe that,
00:24:45.780 then every South Carolina Democrat in the state house and state Senate should vote for this new
00:24:50.400 map, but they're not going to. So stop buying the Democrat PSYOP, get on board with President Trump,
00:24:56.460 get this passed, and let's pick up a 7-0 map in South Carolina and pick up a seat.
00:25:02.000 Let's bring in Jordan Pace. Jordan, you're from South Carolina. Is that doable? What is the holdup for us going 7-0 in South Carolina and taking Jim Clyburn's seat, sir?
00:25:15.640 Yeah, the biggest holdup right now is something called the sign-a-die resolution. At the end of every session, our session ends this Thursday at 5 p.m. by law.
00:25:27.320 Most years, we pass something called sign and die.
00:25:30.420 This is a resolution that lists the things that we can come back for once session is over.
00:25:36.980 The governor said he won't call us back.
00:25:38.680 So if we, the House has already passed it, if the Senate doesn't pass the sign and die amendment that includes congressional redistricting, the whole endeavor is done.
00:25:48.000 And we have until Thursday at 5 p.m. to get that done.
00:25:51.960 Jordan, it's been deemed unconstitutional.
00:25:56.060 It's been an impression of the South Carolina people for decade after decade.
00:26:01.220 Why is the Senate, since the Supreme Court has ruled, what's in the House?
00:26:04.740 You guys in the House have already voted to have a new map.
00:26:10.020 I think people around the country are kind of like, what is the hang-up?
00:26:14.680 Yeah, that is the question of the week is what is the hang-up?
00:26:19.400 I think Caroline was right. 0.75
00:26:20.340 some of these uh republican senators are buying into this false talking point that it's going to
00:26:26.380 give the democrats you know extra seats more we're going to lose seats not gain seats and if that
00:26:31.320 were the case but hang on you you got the house you guys went through this map and you voted
00:26:37.000 right now the house in south carolina but you guys don't think on the sign or die resolution
00:26:43.260 on the sign or die but you guys don't think you wouldn't have done that you don't think
00:26:47.260 that this is going to be 5-2.
00:26:49.200 There's no way you think you'll come up with a map to do that
00:26:51.820 because, once again, that would be unconstitutional, wouldn't it?
00:26:55.800 Correct.
00:26:56.440 I filed a bill to get this moving back in January.
00:27:00.340 And very thankfully, with the VRA ruling, it's got some speed.
00:27:05.540 But I've been looking at these maps for a while.
00:27:07.840 We've done a lot of analysis on the map that came down
00:27:11.360 from the National Republican Redistricting Trust.
00:27:14.400 And it's a winner.
00:27:15.640 We just need the Senate to get on board. Specifically, we need them to vote for the sign-and-die amendment so we can come back, Senate session's over, and finish the job.
00:27:24.920 We need them to pass that sign-and-die amendment without any amendments. They just need to vote yes.
00:27:30.640 I'm going to ask you to stay through the break, and also the White House event may be starting shortly, but just one more time.
00:27:36.840 You guys have reviewed the analysis of how potentially these districts will be.
00:27:42.200 You do not believe, the House does not believe this will turn out to be a 5-2 with two for the Democrats if this moves forward, correct?
00:27:50.460 Now, this should be a 7-0 map.
00:27:52.320 We need people to show up to vote, but it should be a 7-0 map based on 2018 through 2024 data.
00:27:58.480 Jordan Pace, stick around, please.
00:28:00.980 Caroline Wren, please stick around.
00:28:02.400 We're going to get to you guys right.
00:28:04.100 This is the issue before us that we have to address now.
00:28:09.320 The momentum is huge.
00:28:11.400 But the midterm elections, we're also going to get we're going to go to the White House live and then back for some analysis of the war in the Middle East.
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00:29:49.280 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:29:52.940 Okay, we're going to go to the White House here as soon as we get the signal.
00:29:56.720 Scott Pressler is also going to join us,
00:29:58.480 And the Tina Peters team is going to join us a little bit later.
00:30:01.880 Caroline runs with us.
00:30:02.940 I want to go back to Jordan Pace, the House of Delegates in South Carolina 117, the district.
00:30:10.880 What are the folks in South Carolina, the voters?
00:30:12.740 What are the voters in some of these districts and or your House district in the state legislature?
00:30:19.060 What are they telling you about this situation?
00:30:21.440 What do the voters think?
00:30:23.140 Yeah, I've talked to a ton of voters that are in the sixth district now, Republican Party members.
00:30:28.480 that are in Colleton and Bamberg and these rural districts that have been ruled over by Congressman Clyburn
00:30:36.080 and his personal political fiefdom for decades, and they're desperate to get something done
00:30:42.160 so that they can have some representation in Congress.
00:30:45.280 That is what they've told me for months.
00:30:46.960 That's why I filed the bill to do this back in January, is somebody had to start, you know,
00:30:51.360 get this ball rolling, and they're as enthusiastic as ever, probably more so than ever,
00:30:56.660 that we're right on the cusp of getting this done.
00:31:00.160 Okay, Jordan, Brother Pace, the folks in the South Carolina Senate, the Republicans, are very smart.
00:31:07.880 They can't possibly, I'm not buying this, they think, oh, it's going to be a 5-2.
00:31:11.880 That's a misdirection play.
00:31:13.760 What is the real reason that the Senate of South Carolina is not moving on this with dispatch, sir?
00:31:20.820 well there's the senate of south carolina is an interesting kind of creature of its uh on its own
00:31:27.920 they don't like being told what to do i think that's a that's in large part what a lot of this
00:31:32.260 distraction this delay and this kind of confusion tactics that they're outland is that they're not
00:31:38.040 used to getting told what to do because every senator wakes up in the morning and and when
00:31:42.040 they're shaving in the mirror they see the next governor of south carolina and so they just they
00:31:46.800 just don't like being told what to do, uh, is part of it. Uh, I think part of them, part of them
00:31:51.360 may be actually genuinely concerned that this is not going to wind up the way that it will, that it
00:31:55.900 should. Uh, but all the data is pointed to the opposite. This should be a slam dunk. It should
00:32:00.580 be a seven. Oh. And yeah, this is what the people of not only South Carolina want, but the people
00:32:06.860 of the United States need to keep control of Congress. Uh, so things don't go totally off
00:32:12.380 the rails as if they are not already off the rails enough in dc yeah if you read justice alito's
00:32:18.640 opinion or the lead opinion there um just on the practical politics side when they look in the
00:32:24.380 mirror and see the potential future governor of south carolina doesn't it click in given indiana
00:32:30.240 and other places that maga has a long memory here and maga wants this done and conservative
00:32:35.840 republicans want it done so if one wants to be potentially a future governor of south carolina
00:32:41.240 the upholding the constitutional order should be probably the top of the top of the stack in your
00:32:47.880 inbox every day it should uh the the the reality is though that most senators never face a political
00:32:57.420 challenge uh many of them you know kind of get in there and they're they're there forever uh i think
00:33:03.560 nikki setzler who's now retired he was there for like 40 i think 40 40 years um senator leatherman
00:33:09.900 who was who ran who was basically the prince of south carolina for several decades he was in the
00:33:14.260 senate for 44 years before he passed away that that's just kind of the nature of of the body
00:33:19.960 and they are not used to getting pressure uh especially pressure from uh the grassroots
00:33:25.740 they they don't have an election this year the election's two years from now so i'm sure many
00:33:30.140 of them are are thinking two years is a is an eternity when it comes to politics but i hope
00:33:36.280 be right. I think that people have a long memory, and if we don't get this done this week, then
00:33:41.540 folks are going to remember that come 2028. Make our audience smart, since this is made up of
00:33:47.920 grassroots leaders and grassroots folks. What should we look for this week in South Carolina
00:33:53.720 from the Senate that's a signal that we're not being effective, that it's not going to get done,
00:33:59.420 that you're not going to pass this at the end of the week that allows a special session to be
00:34:04.360 called, sir? Yeah, the number one red flag is if they amend the sign and die resolution. If they
00:34:11.240 try to change the sign and die resolution, then that is a clear indication that they are playing
00:34:15.980 political games to distract, to delay, to make sure this doesn't get done while being able to
00:34:22.060 say, oh, you know, we're trying to get it done. We're trying to do our best. If they amend sign
00:34:26.420 and die, that is the red flag. And the majority leader in the Senate, his phone lines already got
00:34:33.080 shut down last weekend when people were calling. People just got to keep that pressure up. And it's
00:34:39.500 not just them. They got to call their senator and tell them, you got to get this done. Don't
00:34:44.340 amend sign or die. Get it passed, ideally tomorrow when they go back in the session, but by 5 p.m.
00:34:49.700 on Thursday. Jordan, how do people, your social media or your Twitter feed or Getter or your
00:34:56.600 homepage, where do people go to keep up with this? Because this is one that's going to be 24-7
00:35:01.240 between now and friday so where do people go uh my handle on twitter on x is j scott pace
00:35:08.760 and then our social media on on the freedom caucus who's been who's been giving updates on
00:35:13.280 this very regularly is sc freedom caucus at sc freedom caucus or they can go to our website
00:35:19.560 south carolina freedom.com is the is the website to get the whole link tree and all those
00:35:24.980 by the way you're the freedom caucus in south carolina is a model for how things should be
00:35:30.700 run. It's an outstanding, outstanding job. We're doing our best. Thank you. Appreciate you coming
00:35:35.680 on. Caroline Wren's with us. I do want to bring, I want to bring in Scott Pressler right now.
00:35:41.280 Caroline, just hang over a second. Scott, I'll get to the longer interview probably after the
00:35:45.780 president, but you were in Indiana. You were a turning point at the tip of the spear. What
00:35:51.040 advice would you have for folks in South Carolina, given your involvement with turning point
00:35:55.760 on the situation in Indiana, sir?
00:36:00.700 My encouragement to any state senators or any legislators that are going to defy the will of the very constituents they represent is if you do not follow through on providing our Make America First Great Again agenda, supporting President Donald J. Trump will support us or lose your seats.
00:36:24.040 And I think Indiana has become a verb, Steve. We are going to Indiana Cornyn. We are going to Indiana Cassidy peacefully. And we are going to Indiana any state senator that doesn't redraw its congressional maps, especially when the people are asking for that.
00:36:43.320 Is there any higher priority that President Trump, knowing your knowledge of the team and President Trump, et cetera, is there any higher priority he has at this moment on Monday, the 11th of May in the year of our Lord, 2026, than making sure we support the constitutional order and redraw these maps away from these unconstitutional congressional districts, sir?
00:37:05.120 besides the save america act if we have any hope of keeping our majority in the house of
00:37:13.700 representatives i think this is one of the singular foci that we need to have in order to make sure
00:37:21.380 that we're victorious this november so mississippi we expect the job to get done south carolina we
00:37:27.800 expect the job to get done and we have to give thanks for things is due thank you governor lee
00:37:33.180 Thank you, Governor Abbott. Thank you, Governor DeSantis. Those are champions of liberty and freedom.
00:37:37.860 And we expect these other southern states to do the same, or we are going to democratically remove you from office.
00:37:47.020 I think Scott brings up a good point. You know, we've had issues with some of these guys before, but Bill Lee, Abbott and DeSantis stepped up to the plate, did the hard work.
00:37:56.380 and uh and kemp in georgia is absolutely just given a uh is shining a fare thee well as we say
00:38:03.020 caroline wren picking up on scott's comments uh number one what do we have to do in south carolina
00:38:09.200 again then you know mississippi louisiana georgia uh alabama what else do we have to do
00:38:16.480 well just going back to kind of the mindset of these south carolina senators you got to remember
00:38:25.220 this is the state of Strom Thurmond, who had four kids after he was 70 and was in office until he
00:38:30.200 was 100. And so the culture of like South Carolina politics is kind of you get in and you just
00:38:36.860 remain there until you die. And they have never really gotten a pressure campaign before on the
00:38:42.480 national level. And they don't some don't really respond to it at all. Like they get their news
00:38:46.860 from NPR. Some of it backfires. So it's kind of, you know, we're trying to play this as carefully
00:38:51.280 as possible, convince people on the merits like this is actually a good thing for your state and
00:38:57.460 nationally. Now, regarding your question as to the priority for the president, you know, I think a
00:39:01.860 priority for the president, obviously, is to keep a Republican House. That's what we're trying. We're
00:39:05.660 fighting for every single seat so that we don't wake up in November with Speaker Hakeem Jeffries
00:39:10.580 with a one seat majority because we didn't fight in, say, South Carolina. But then past that,
00:39:15.680 it's more than just having the majority. You have to do something with it. That's where nuking the
00:39:20.300 filibuster or passing the Save America Act also come into play. These are equally as important.
00:39:25.640 We are trying to give President Trump the tools that he needs to have an extremely successful
00:39:30.460 two years in office these last, you know, two years or potentially, God, I hope it's more.
00:39:36.240 And so we're doing that. But then if they get it, they have to do something with it.
00:39:39.800 That is why both of these things have to be fought on multiple fronts. We have to get the
00:39:44.200 Save America Act passed and we have to retain the House and the Senate.
00:39:47.000 but to to on the senate on the house to get within i don't know 215 or 216 which is striking
00:39:53.760 distance of 218 we still need the extra seat in louisiana i think we have the situation in
00:39:59.300 mississippi uh i don't know if we're totally clear in alabama george has given us a fairly
00:40:04.640 well north carolina there's some things sitting there what do we have to do this has got to be
00:40:09.240 a maximalist strategy we need first off it's unconstitutional we have to the only way you
00:40:15.800 restore the constitutional order in this country is to get this redistricting done. And you've seen
00:40:21.360 what the Democrats are prepared to do to stop it. They're prepared to dissolve essentially the
00:40:26.060 Supreme Court of the Commonwealth of Virginia to reverse what happened last week. They're prepared
00:40:30.420 to pack the Supreme Court of the United States. There is no law on the books, no constitutional
00:40:36.200 order, nothing on the books at all that they won't tear down to get their way to get control. Why?
00:40:42.180 Because they believe that stops the Trump movement, it stops the Trump revolution, and they impeach Trump and subpoena and then indict two-thirds of the cabinet.
00:40:51.460 So that's why this is such an urgent fight as a predicate.
00:40:54.620 This is why last summer when Abbott let the Texas go, the legislature, Harrison and all these, the grassroots leader, Brian Harrison, got on the war room and went totally berserk.
00:41:07.180 And the next thing you know, we got a special session called and we got it done.
00:41:10.800 It took a while and it took every day hammering, but it got done.
00:41:14.580 These other seats, we have to do the same thing.
00:41:17.120 You're right.
00:41:17.560 If we lose the House by one seat, we will look back to April and May of 2026 as what
00:41:24.040 could we have done on a maximalist strategy to get every seat that's out there, ma'am.
00:41:30.720 I agree.
00:41:31.580 You know, I want to be perfectly clear.
00:41:33.300 I want as many seats as Republicans are able to drag out of the dead, lifeless hands of
00:41:37.260 the Democrat Party.
00:41:38.020 And right now, there are six on the board that it would be unconscionable for us to not go and get.
00:41:43.760 Those six are two in Louisiana, which some people are saying only go for one.
00:41:48.680 Do not do that. Go for two.
00:41:50.500 There are two in Alabama.
00:41:53.780 The Alabama legislature did pass two separate bills to be able to deal with that.
00:41:58.320 It has to actually do with a ruling that we're expecting today.
00:42:01.300 And the ruling could come out of the Alabama courts that say you just have to revert back to a pass map,
00:42:06.020 which means they would just automatically go back to a with it would allow us to have one seat not
00:42:11.720 two or there's another way and it's a little bit complicated there so again that one is really up
00:42:17.320 more to the courts but I hope I hope we're able to get two then you have a seat in Mississippi
00:42:21.260 and a seat in South Carolina that is six we need to fight everything in our power
00:42:26.920 to get those six seats they are there for the grabs and we need to go and get them
00:42:36.020 Yes. So I want to go get every single one of those seats, but also you have to remember
00:42:41.920 the Democrats are facing an existential crisis right now. Why are they fighting this hard right
00:42:46.740 now? Because they know this is their last stand. What is going to happen with this new census
00:42:51.580 is they will never be able to win another presidential campaign. 2028, maybe they could
00:42:56.680 pull off. 2032, they are done. Once this 2030 census comes out, they are going to absolutely
00:43:02.280 collapse in seats in california in new york in chicago their electoral map they will have to win
00:43:09.380 texas or florida in order to win the presidential campaign they're never going to be able to do
00:43:15.540 that that is why they are willing to go to extreme lengths right now and we should be
00:43:19.900 willing to go to extreme lengths to keep them from doing it they the map in the country has
00:43:24.420 changed the democrats will have no power ever again they know that and that is why they are
00:43:30.260 trying to rig and change the rules while they still can, which means if they are somehow able
00:43:34.840 to win the presidency in 2028, pick up the House right now in 2026, then then I'm telling you that
00:43:43.560 is when they nuke the filibuster and they will go for all these things which are making D.C. and
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00:45:14.200 A new generation of Americans have to show up, stand up, speak up, fight, get into good trouble
00:45:23.700 to usher in an era of progress. We went from the progress of emancipation to the backlash of Jim
00:45:30.180 Crow, the progress of the civil rights movement to the backlash of mass incarceration, the progress
00:45:36.360 of electing Barack Obama to the backlash that has resulted in the elevation of Donald Trump,
00:45:41.940 MAGA extremism and this behavior that we're seeing coming out of the Supreme Court of the 0.53
00:45:47.620 United States to throw the American South back into the Jim Crow era. So it's going to take 0.69
00:45:52.220 an all hands on deck effort. Another part of this, though, that we have to realize is
00:45:55.940 actually humiliation. This is not only about the political tactics of moving around districts and
00:46:04.380 getting people elected. I think the uniformity that you see Southern Republicans moving and
00:46:10.420 redistricting and redistricting quickly is about what they perceive as payback and an unfair
00:46:17.900 stacking of the deck from their reading of the Civil Rights Act. And so this is about overturning
00:46:24.020 two generations of broad consensus in America. We have to remember that the reauthorization of
00:46:29.260 the Voting Rights Act in the early 2000s passed with a massive bipartisan majority. It was
00:46:35.360 proposed by George Bush at the time, not a liberal by any stretch of the imagination.
00:46:40.820 But there are people that have been resentful since 1965. And that resentment is paying
00:46:46.280 off right now in terms of what they're doing. This isn't only about the tactics and the filing
00:46:53.080 deadlines and the seat margins. But I get your point. But it's about winning it. So, I mean,
00:46:59.140 I get the, you know, I get the humanitarian part of it and I get it. And I agree. I don't think
00:47:04.760 it's humanitarian. I actually think that it's about winning it. I think this is raw racial
00:47:09.360 politics. I don't actually think that this is about humanitarian anything. I think this is
00:47:13.120 about raw racial politics in this country and in the South in particular. Then use the law to win 0.89
00:47:18.520 it back. That's what I'm saying. Well, the law was there and we had a majority Supreme Court
00:47:23.540 which said that the purpose of the law to address racial discrimination was actually racially
00:47:28.420 discriminatory. It's basically about essentially surrendering America's attempt to deal with the
00:47:34.720 worst of its racial past, right? Again, if it was about only trading off in seats and like 0.88
00:47:40.480 specific gerrymandering, that may be one thing, but it is the result of the gutting of the Voting
00:47:46.420 Rights Act, which was designed to right the wrongs of 100 years of discrimination after the Civil
00:47:52.720 War, and we've just given up on that, in part led by a long-term crusade by the Chief Justice
00:47:58.540 of the United States. And so this isn't only about political chessboarding. This is much
00:48:03.360 more about the country's character and the way in which it has surrendered large parts of what it
00:48:09.440 had said that it had addressed. So Caroline Wren, you see right there the fight we've got,
00:48:15.500 and this is why it's so important. These six seats are the difference between victory and
00:48:20.140 potential defeat in November. And the Democrats are absolutely maniacally focused on this.
00:48:27.280 So once again, what is your call to arms to the grassroots movement of what we have to do here
00:48:33.260 in the next 72 hours? The next 72 hours, we have to focus on South Carolina. We have to,
00:48:40.940 you know, respectfully, if you live in South Carolina, you have to contact your state house
00:48:44.700 member or your state senator and tell them that you want them to redistrict and you want them to
00:48:49.260 do it now that seat could be the critical seat that keeps us in the majority or in the minority
00:48:55.240 and even remember right now how scary it is to only have a one or two seat majority anyway let's
00:49:00.820 say even we're able to gain it but one person dies one person misses a flight i mean it is very
00:49:05.620 difficult we need every single seat that we can get south carolina needs to have the backbone to
00:49:11.060 get this done and you the grassroots have got to take this into your hands and call your
00:49:15.560 representatives and tell them, please pass this map. The next 42 hours are absolutely critical
00:49:20.640 there. Caroline, where do people, your Twitter feed, Alex DeGrasse and Sean Spicer are kind of
00:49:27.140 bomber command for this. Where do they go to keep up with you today on all these different fronts
00:49:30.900 we're fighting on, on the redistricting wars, ma'am? It is at Caroline Wren on X, True Social
00:49:38.460 and get her. Fantastic job, Caroline. Thank you. Appreciate you. Scott Pressler, you are moving now
00:49:46.660 from this, you're still fighting the redistricting boards nonstop, but you're going to shift your flag
00:49:50.800 down to Texas. Why are you doing that, sir? Thank you. Today is day 131 that we have been asking
00:49:58.620 Senate Majority Leader Thune to pass the Save America Act, which is the most important piece
00:50:04.580 of legislation the American people want. Proof of citizenship, photo voter ID. In Minnesota,
00:50:11.340 a registered voter can vouch for up to eight persons without an ID. They don't need to show
00:50:16.280 any proof of citizenship or residency. And we know that Al Franken was elected by 312 votes in 2008.
00:50:26.640 We know that there are 34,000 dead voters on the voter rolls in North Carolina. This is an issue.
00:50:32.280 This is what the American people want. And so because Senate Majority Leader Thune is not
00:50:37.880 giving us what we want, we are going to peacefully take away what he has. This Saturday, May 16th,
00:50:43.280 I'm asking the voters of Louisiana, if you're a registered Republican, you come out and vote
00:50:48.140 against Bill Cassidy. Now, President Trump has endorsed Congresswoman Julia Letlow,
00:50:54.600 and May 16th is an opportunity for us to show the Senate, as we did in Indiana,
00:51:00.540 if you don't give us what we want, we are going to take away your seats. And so I will also be
00:51:05.840 going to Texas. May 18th through May 22nd is early voting. I have endorsed Attorney General
00:51:14.140 Ken Paxton, and I'm doing everything with my ability to make sure that we are defeating
00:51:19.740 John Thune's ally, John Cornyn, and ultimately repealing and replacing him on May 26th.
00:51:30.140 So War Room Posse, the two dates that I need you to put into your calendars right now, Saturday, May 16th, that's a Saturday, not a Tuesday, Saturday, May 16th, we defeat Bill Cassidy, Tuesday, May 26th, we defeat John Cornyn, and we send a message to the Senate that no seat is safe unless you give us what we want.
00:51:53.080 Scott, we've got about 45 seconds. You've got a book coming out in early June, The Persistence. What's it about and where do people go to pre-order it right now?
00:52:01.640 Thank you. Well, this is a part of the War Room books. It's The Persistence. I am now an author and I wrote a book about seizing the voter registration movement away from the Democrats, cleaning up our cities like Baltimore, and ultimately how our work together as a family elected Donald J. Trump.
00:52:22.620 It's on pre-order. And when I go across the country, I'm going to turn every book event into a voter registration event to make sure that we are force multiplying, which I know is something you focus on every single day.
00:52:39.780 God bless you, Scott Pressler. We will hopefully get you on every couple of days to talk about the 16th May this Saturday and then the 26th of May for Ken Paxson.
00:52:50.100 Sir, thank you so much. Go to Amazon right now. Pre-order Scott Pressler's upcoming book, The Persistence, from War Room Press. Back in a moment.
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