00:00:28.000media i wish in my soul i wish that any of these people had a conscience ask yourself
00:00:35.120what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer is to save my country this country will
00:00:43.040be saved war room here's your host stephen k bann
00:00:50.320tuesday 12 may year of our lord 2026 uh i must start with we're gonna get to china in a moment
00:00:55.920trying to get wrangling uh captain finnell sam faddis and jack posovic to join us here momentarily
00:01:05.040i want to start with joe allen joe um as i tell people with all these fights going on of course
00:01:11.360in in beijing they are going to discuss artificial intelligence uh they've already said that but we
00:01:17.680But we've got to get back to what's happening here in the needed, necessary, and kind of de minimis regulatory apparatus that we need to make sure that we're on top of exactly what's coming to these labs.
00:01:35.780Because now, talk about Google, folks, I cannot emphasize enough the danger of what we are dealing with.
00:04:49.460So this is something that Google has come forward with for whatever reason, but it shows that this dual use, that the potential for someone to use these systems for something besides generating code or generating images or generating really bad pros is a reality.
00:05:10.000Now, as we reported last year, many people were discussing, Anthropic in November of last year also announced that they'd identified malicious use of CLAWD to try to hack in some 30 different systems, and they identified the origin with China.
00:05:30.860They accused China. They said it was a state sponsored group. And so, again, there you had at least allegedly Chinese hackers using Anthropics Claude to generate malicious code to hack into these different systems.
00:05:49.200The reason that Scott Bessent is so alarmed by this situation is that so much of America's infrastructure and the world's infrastructure runs on digital software, digital infrastructure.
00:06:06.420And so if you have a potential weapon that is just being deployed recklessly with no oversight whatsoever, except for the companies themselves regulating themselves, then it's really the equivalent of, you know, handing out OxyContin to just anyone.
00:06:28.040And we've seen what happens when you do that.
00:06:30.120Or, for instance, to hand out automatic weapons to people who have no business using it.
00:06:36.960I want to make sure the audience comprehends this.0.84
00:06:41.300This was an—yes, you've had the Chinese, you've had state actors doing this and perpetuating this.0.87
00:06:47.620Just to be clear, the reason they're such concerned by the intelligence of others,0.74
00:06:52.080this was generated by artificial intelligence.
00:06:55.600I'm not saying they also use it, but artificial intelligence of its own will generate a cyber attack away from its masters at Google and other places, right?
00:07:09.640This one most likely is not that the AI was just of its own accord generated this code.
00:07:19.200But what you have is a situation where an amateur, someone who doesn't really know how to write malicious code to hack into a system, can use something like CLAWD or Mythos, if it were released, or GPT or GPT Cyber, which has also not been released by OpenAI.
00:07:37.920They could use this to very easily create exploits or to find vulnerabilities in these systems.
00:07:46.380And so in this case, Steve, it's just a matter of empowering people, as they're always saying,
00:07:52.180but empowering people to do damage to digital infrastructure.
00:07:57.360It could be a hospital, it could be a water plant, it could be a bank.
00:08:00.720And this is why people are so up in arms and asking for some regulation on this,
00:08:06.520some sort of testing system that is outside of the companies themselves.
00:08:11.400It goes back to the fight that you were just discussing between or we'll say a debate, a polite debate between the office of the director of national intelligence and the Commerce Department as to who will really be in control of the testing apparatus and the regulatory apparatus.
00:08:30.300Why did they pull what when you say I realize it's generally, but why did they pull it down off of the off?
00:08:38.980Because you've been pointing people to the commerce site to read what's up there about this system that you and I are not thrilled with.
00:08:45.760But at least it's some modicum of a start. Why is it now pulled down off the site, sir?
00:08:51.940You know, it would seem as it was reported in The Washington Post, it would seem that it's just because of this debate.
00:08:58.880You know, when the public, when that was discovered, it wasn't really announced through any kind of press release.
00:09:05.380It was simply discovered, probably pointed to by someone within the Center for AI Safety, I'm sorry, Standards and Innovation,
00:09:15.640that they had developed this partnership with Google, Microsoft and XAI
00:09:20.920so that you would have voluntary submission of unreleased AI models to the Center for AI Standards and Innovation,
00:09:29.520which is within the Commerce Department.
00:09:32.920And when that went public, I think it just was a bad look for the people who were engaged in this argument within the administration
00:09:40.900as to who will be the point men for the regulation, the testing of the capabilities of these systems.
00:09:49.520And you also have, Steve, as we pointed out, it's been suggested by a number of different people, and it's actually within Marsha Blackburn's Trump America AI Act, that the Department of Energy could play a big role in this because of their well-built out infrastructure and expertise in surveilling, regulating, doing safety testing for nuclear materials, nuclear weapons.
00:10:16.000So, yeah, it's what you have on a very basic level is you have a technology that is shown time and time again, both by Google and Anthropic and behind the scenes, cyber companies across the world know that AI is being used for dangerous or malevolent purposes.
00:10:37.060And it's just simply deployed out in the public willy nilly.
00:10:40.720And, you know, you do have some safeguards that are put on these systems by companies like OpenAI or Anthropic, but then you have these Chinese models, the open source models like DeepSeq, like Quinn, that you really don't have any control over that.
00:11:00.580And so people are scrambling for some kind of response, because as you pointed out, as Max Tegmark has pointed out, as many people pointed out, you can't sell a sandwich without having someone say, OK, the safety standards, the sanitation of the restaurant is within some degree of acceptability.
00:11:22.500same thing with a weapon you can't sell a gun that's going to blow up in people's face you
00:11:27.320can't sell a car that's going to go veering off the road um and you in pretty much every industry
00:11:34.700you have some government apparatus that is there to ensure to inspect to make sure that the product
00:11:41.720is safe and also if it turns out that the product is unsafe say that it allows a random person to
00:11:47.780create malicious code then you have an accountability process the problem with the
00:11:52.260problem with the system they've got up here now in the commerce is that it's voluntary
00:11:55.960and they don't need approval this is why what has said the other day about some fda type thing
00:12:01.460do you have any idea the timing because i know you spend a ton of time on this
00:12:05.320behind the scenes any idea on the timing or are we going to get this mythological executive order
00:12:13.160from the administration do you think that president trump's white house actually going
00:12:16.240put an EO out or wait to after the China visit? You know, I've been asking everyone and everyone
00:12:23.060was saying maybe there's some chance that it would come out yesterday. And if not, then most
00:12:27.880likely after President Trump's return from China. So I'm guessing that's when it's going to happen.
00:12:33.320And that should give some clarity as to where this argument stands. Will it be the Office of
00:12:39.320the Director of National Intelligence? Will it be the Commerce Department? Or will it be something
00:12:44.620like the Department of Energy or some combination of these.
00:12:48.280Department of Homeland Security also has a real interest and a role in this, given the
00:12:52.900possibility of bioweapons and terrorist attacks.
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00:16:24.380The sources that I've been in touch with in the lead up to today, along with senior administration officials, are holding their breath until Trump takes off this afternoon at around 4 p.m.
00:16:34.900That he does not in between now and then resume kinetic activity or any sort of military operations in Iran.
00:16:42.280That is the fear that people have had, which gets to the top of David's point, that the president is still erratic when it comes to his decision making around Iran.
00:16:52.800Although yesterday in the Oval Office, he did sort of speak a bit more candidly about the flexibility that is required now in order to move forward.
00:17:02.080And you were right, John. The center of these conversations with China is the Iran factor.
00:17:07.940Yes, there are trade issues amongst other factors that are going to be at the part of discussions here.
00:17:16.720But what the president really needs right now is a win with regards to Iran.
00:17:22.260And there is a bunch of optimism, cautious optimism, that China is going to, in concession for something else,
00:17:30.880potentially apply more pressure onto Iran to come to the negotiating table under more favorable terms.
00:17:36.940The question is, is what is China going to want from President Trump in order to actually apply more pressure on Iran?
00:17:46.800China, you know, is not susceptible to the economic stressors that have happened as a result of the war.
00:17:53.180They get around a third of their oil from Iran.
00:17:58.940That's according to people I spoke with yesterday.
00:18:01.960But they're going to ask for something.
00:18:04.940And a lot of experts are pointing to sort of the issue of Taiwan.
00:18:08.740This is something that the president has sort of consistently been weak on, despite the record arm sale that was made by the Trump administration at the end of last year, around 11 or 12 billion dollar arm sale to Taiwan.
00:18:21.780You could see Xi asking the president to try to pause that sale or potentially get Trump to say that he doesn't support Taiwanese independence.
00:18:29.520There is a sort of a laundry list of options that he could choose from there to pressure the president.
00:18:36.300And again, Trump needs to come away from this meeting with a win, some sort of foreign policy win here, whether it's economic or war.
00:18:44.680And what you have at least a lot of the diplomatic sources that I'm speaking with is hopes that it is a way to resume these negotiations.
00:18:53.060And in the meantime, maintain some sort of stasis when it comes to this ceasefire.
00:18:57.960Although, as Trump said yesterday, it is on life support heading to Beijing for this highly anticipated summit.
00:19:03.400Xi Jinping, he's bringing a lot of American business leaders with him, including, we should note, Elon Musk.
00:19:08.580So it appears that they've mended fences.
00:19:11.240Talk to us about what are some of the economic goals for this trip, because there's certainly real concern, whether it's A.I.
00:19:19.040or, of course, Taiwan, which is has an economic component to it, as well as geopolitical.
00:19:24.700There's a sense here the president's coming in in a weaker position than Xi Jinping.
00:19:29.440Well, before we get there, I just want to comment on the Elon Musk-Trump relationship for a second,
00:19:34.300because I know a lot of people have suggested this is a demonstration of a thawing in the relationship.
00:19:41.860But I think there's a larger point to be made here, which is the role that Elon Musk plays in China
00:19:47.600and importantly, his role in terms of Tesla in China and what's going on there.
00:19:53.160And I only point that out because on the other side of the ledger, you have Jensen Wang, who runs NVIDIA, who ostensibly has seemed very close with President Trump over the past year or two now.
00:20:04.780And yet he has not been invited to this meeting in large part because of the view that it would send the wrong message to China about the idea that we don't want to sell chips to China.
00:20:15.660And if we invited him, that might suggest something else.
00:20:18.600So I think each of the CEOs that are going with the president to some degree may be less about the relationship with the president per se and more about the messaging and signaling that this represents to China about which businesses we're hoping will do more business in China and maybe which businesses won't be.
00:20:37.220Now, to your larger question about where do these conversations go, I do think they start.
00:20:42.980I don't want to say they start and end with Iran, but that's going to be a big issue as it relates to the price of energy and what that's going to do.
00:20:50.100But it also is going to revolve around cars, investment in the United States.
00:20:55.600There's been some talk about, you know, could China be allowed to make investments in the United States around potentially even things like data centers and the like?
00:21:03.820So I think that everything is going to be on the table in some way, but where we end, I think nobody really knows.
00:21:11.340The Chinese Communist Party, as John Solomon says, we now have incontrovertible evidence that they hacked into and got access into 18 databases in the 2020 election.
00:21:27.100Just so people understand this, for two years in President Trump's first term, two years, Lighthizer, Navarro, and others worked on a comprehensive trade pact that would have brought the CCP into the global economic and financial system and taking care of the seven deadly sins that stayed on industries, dumping, all of it, taking care of all of it.
00:24:33.800We just had Tante was at the Maha Moms event with Bobby Kennedy last night.
00:24:37.600And we see the president's taken off for for China here. And people remember that over at Human Events, we did the China files just a couple of years ago.
00:24:45.460And that built out the research for what became the China section, which is really the heart, the spine of that book on humans.
00:24:53.380But we went through the history of the Chinese Communist Party. We understood Xi.
00:24:58.040We called him the Red Emperor, how he has taken his cult of personality to new levels, the purges, what he calls.
00:25:05.880So, for example, we had the Chinese Communist Revolution in the 1940s. Then you had the Cultural Revolution in the 1960s. And what is Xi Jinping embarked on since he took power in 2012? He calls it the self revolution, Steve, the self revolution, whereby in he is constantly purging the highest ranks of not just the party, but also the military, the regions, the provinces, the big cities, Chongqing, etc.
00:25:33.420et cetera, all around China to install his leaders and people and politicians, members of the party
00:25:41.340that are totally loyal to Xi Jinping all along the way up. And we haven't seen this kind of
00:25:46.020consolidation since Mao. Now, what does that mean? That means that he's got to be the one in the
00:25:51.400driver's seat. He's got to deliver. And so all this talk and I saw CNBC and they're saying,
00:25:55.580okay, so China has been winding down. Why is China's growth slower? It's slower because of
00:26:01.600the tariff policy of president Trump was working and has been working for so much as long as the
00:26:08.680courts have allowed him to keep them in power. That is why our, uh, our trade relationship with
00:26:15.240China is finally starting to rebalance for the benefit of the American people. Why is the Midwest
00:26:22.280gutted? Why was the Midwest and the Northeast de-industrialized and why does Shenzhen look the
00:26:27.420way that it does and shanghai and all the rest of it because that's your money that's your american
00:26:32.180dollars that were used with the foreign direct investment to build up china to where it is and
00:26:37.160president trump's the only one who's called these people out so yes he's bringing the ceos over
00:26:41.500but i would argue steve it's because it's finally time to get the tariffs back on board and dismantle
00:26:48.520this ridiculous system of globalism which is not working do you think that's going to happen when
00:26:54.360Are you hearing the rumors that they want to give licenses to the Chinese to put automobiles, to sell automobiles in the United States and or to buy, build their own data centers or basically own, make investment in manufacturing that would actually own American soil, sir?
00:27:12.480Look, Steve, I've seen all these rumors, but these rumors are generated from media.
00:27:16.680They're not generated from the White House.
00:27:18.500They're not generated from the president of the United States.
00:27:20.340And we know that there's only been one man who's been talking about China on the national stage since all the way back 2011, 2012.
00:39:25.760Then they came in and took over 18 states.
00:39:29.220We know that they took the voter rolls and got access to the voter rolls to defeat Trump.
00:39:32.580They were actively engaged in trying to throw the 2020 election to Joe Biden because Joe Biden was on their payroll.
00:39:40.940They're still trying to decouple today, yet the business delegation he took over there are the people that want to triple down on some sort of unity of our two systems, although the Chinese Communist Party doesn't play by the rules.
00:39:54.520Right. That's the that's the balancing act that I think the president has is he's got people that still want to do business internationally and they're still embedded in China.
00:40:06.500So I think the president is trying to balance that out in terms of I've got to have some business there.
00:40:13.400While we don't want to necessarily make ourselves dependent on China, these companies obviously are there and then some of them are trying to get out.
00:40:21.560And so how do you get out without losing your entire company?
00:40:25.020I think that'll be part of that process.
00:41:17.040god i hope not steve but you know given given what the ic has been doing entirely possible
00:41:26.060i mean look the one of the things we're definitely gonna get pressure by from g is is to soften and
00:41:34.880begin to back away from taiwan so if he doesn't invade he can at least shove them into a taking
00:41:42.900the hong kong bargain right which is the infamous one nation two systems lie that he foisted on
00:41:51.300hong kong and then obviously we know what happens there so like there shouldn't be any softening on
00:41:59.140softening on anything i mean we we need to be going the other direction taking a harder line with
00:42:04.420these guys and be prepared and and just recognize the reality they started a war with us a long time
00:42:10.660ago. Jim, for now, we've got about a minute. I'm going to hold you guys through the break.
00:42:17.520If we soften the rhetoric at all our defense of Taiwan, do we jeopardize losing the entire
00:42:23.620first island chain, sir? I think there's a risk to that in terms of perception. So I agree with
00:42:30.080Sam. We should not weaken in any way. In fact, the Taiwans last Friday just passed a $25 billion,
00:42:36.700dollar, U.S. billion dollar procurement budget on their own to demonstrate to President Trump and I
00:42:42.440think the administration that they're in on this, that they're willing to defend themselves. So I
00:42:46.860don't see there's a need for us to back off. And given what we're seeing going on with Iran0.95
00:42:52.020and what's going on in the Ukraine, I think President Trump now can actually question
00:42:56.860in his mind where he maybe in the first term he thought, well, they'll never be able to defend
00:43:01.580Taiwan. The Chinese can just take it. It's just right there. Well, maybe not. And so I think0.71
00:43:06.440these other events are providing him maybe some information to suggest that he can relate to Xi,
00:43:12.700which is to say, hey, guess what? You're not going to be able to take Taiwan, and here's why,
00:43:16.940and run down the list in private. Okay, hang on. We're going to hold you guys through the break.
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00:48:51.280And then I will tell them, if you want to go, I mean, not in Mandarin, you say not in Mandarin.
00:48:58.940so no look look it's it's real simple so we we can go you look at the that at the top line of0.76
00:49:04.820it is why have we never been repaid for covid19 why has china never had to pay any reparations0.60
00:49:13.140whatsoever for the trillions upon trillions of dollars of damage that they feasted upon this0.77
00:49:19.220not to mention not to mention the psychological damage emotional cultural etc social damage
00:49:23.980That was done by the lockdowns to our children, the damage that was done to our people, the deaths that were done, the people who were killed in our country, our families, the people that we were lost.
00:49:35.700And then on the backs of that, we saw everything else that happened as a result.0.94
00:49:41.800All of that was, as we've said from the start, a bioweapon from the Chinese Communist Party.0.94
00:49:48.800We all know it was. By the way, it's it's if you had covid, you know that that thing was artificial.0.99
00:49:54.040Everybody who went through it knows that that thing not feel like a normal virus.
00:49:58.600All right. It was something that was cooked up in a lab in a place called Wuhan.0.98
00:50:02.560We know about all this. And President Trump has the ability to actually finally hold them to account for it.0.84
00:50:09.160Something, quite frankly, that I think the administration would do well to talk about more.
00:50:13.260Or if the president doesn't want to himself because he's going to be engaged in these direct negotiations, direct negotiations.
00:50:18.060he with Xi Jinping, he could have someone do so on his behalf, maybe the vice president,
00:50:22.500something like this. But Steve, we have to remember, just go back to unhumans. The Chinese0.96
00:50:27.500Communist Party was never the legitimate ruler of China. They never were. This was a deal that
00:50:36.140was made with Stalin. They took Manchuria from the Japanese. Then the Soviets handed all of the0.76
00:50:43.060weaponry to Mao Zedong. They handed it to the Chinese communists and the Americans did not do0.84
00:50:49.680what needed to be done to help the nationalists in Chiang Kai-shek fight back. We walked through
00:50:54.560this chapter in verse in Unhumans and then walked through that back in the 1980s, they set up
00:51:00.860globalism. Yeah. Senator McCarthy, uh, told you in a retreat from victory that General Marshall
00:51:07.780and the communists in the state department handed it over to him. And then of course,
00:51:11.160the Bush administration. I got to bounce. Where do people go? You're the Associated Press of MAGA,
00:51:16.920your Twitter feed, your getter feed. Where do people go? Well, thank you, Steve, so much.
00:51:21.400Appreciate that. Everybody will be up all day, all night. Of course, we'll be tracking this
00:51:26.220meeting in real time. It's at Jack Posobiec, the podcast, of course, Human Events Daily,
00:51:32.340Apple, Spotify. We're going to be putting up full sit reps on everything that goes down on this
00:51:37.300meeting who's who we've got sources that are on the trip as well and so what's going to happen
00:51:41.760there on the ground and hopefully what happens in the beijing boardroom jack basobiec thank you
00:51:48.740looking forward to the coverage maybe some added coverage here real america's voice award we never
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