Bannon's War Room - Episode 5371： XI And President Trump Continue China Summit; The Ruthlessness Of The Chinese Communist Party

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00:01:06.940 Today, President Trump and I had in-depth exchanges

00:01:10.440 on China-U.S. relations

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00:01:15.600 We both believe that the China-U.S. relationship

00:01:18.640 is the most important bilateral relationship in the world.

00:01:23.260 We must make it work and never mess it up.

00:01:27.460 Both China and the United States stand to gain from cooperation and lose from confrontation.

00:01:35.020 Our two countries should be partners rather than rivals.

00:01:39.580 President Trump and I also agreed to build a constructive China-U.S. relationship of strategic stability

00:01:46.680 to promote the steady, sound, and sustainable development of China-U.S. relations

00:01:53.520 and bring more peace, prosperity, and progress to the world.

00:01:58.660 Well, thank you very much. This is a great honor. It was a fantastic day.

00:02:04.640 And in particular, I want to thank President Xi, my friend, for this magnificent welcome.

00:02:12.260 And it really was a magnificent welcome like none other.

00:02:16.500 And for so graciously hosting us on this very historic state visit,

00:02:21.940 We had extremely positive and productive conversations and meetings today with the Chinese delegation earlier.

00:02:31.020 And this evening is another cherished opportunity to discuss among friends some of the things that we discussed today, all good for the United States and for China.

00:02:43.380 And it was a great honor to be with you, please.

00:02:45.820 And across the centuries, this mutual esteem grew into a relationship that reflected the tremendous talent and potential of our two people.

00:02:56.960 Chinese workers helped lay the railroad tracks that connected our Atlantic coast to the Pacific.

00:03:03.680 American travelers to China helped spread literacy and modern medicine.

00:03:07.920 And at the request of China's ambassador, it was President Theodore Roosevelt who provided the funds to establish President Xi's alma mater, Tsinghua University.

00:03:20.500 Congress appropriates, and as Congress decides what to do with those topics, we will respond accordingly.

00:03:25.540 But nothing has changed in the way the U.S. views the relationship with Taiwan.

00:03:29.020 It will defend Taiwan, as has been historically.

00:03:31.800 U.S. policy on the issue of Taiwan is unchanged as of today and as of the meeting that we had here today.

00:03:37.620 It was raised. They always raise it on their side. We always make clear our position and we move on to the other topics.

00:03:43.180 We know where they stand. I think they know where we stand for the other topics. We know where they stand. I think they know where we stand.

00:03:48.240 Do you think China wants to invade Taiwan? Well, I think China's preference is probably to have Taiwan willingly voluntarily join them in a perfect world.

00:03:56.040 What they would want is some vote or a referendum in Taiwan that agrees to fold in. I think that's what they would prefer.

00:04:02.120 Ultimately, it's featured prominently in President Xi's mandate in the time he's been in office.

00:04:08.960 He's made clear that what they call reunification, that's what they call it, is something that has to happen at some point.

00:04:14.380 We think it would be a terrible mistake to force that through force or anything of that nature.

00:04:18.180 There would be repercussions for that globally, not just from the United States.

00:04:22.220 And we kind of leave it there.

00:04:23.080 That sort of ambiguity is what I think has defined the way we characterize this issue.

00:04:28.880 And the reason being a strategic ambiguity is we don't want to see conflict.

00:04:32.120 We don't want to see something disruptive happen because I think it would be very disruptive for the world and for both countries.

00:04:37.700 Honorable President Donald J. Trump, ladies and gentlemen, friends, looking back at the course of China-U.S. relations,

00:04:46.380 whether or not we could have mutual respect, peaceful coexistence and win-win cooperation is the key to whether the relationship can advance steadily.

00:04:56.840 The world today is changing and turbulent.

00:05:01.660 China-U.S. relations concern the well-being of the over 1.7 billion people of both countries

00:05:08.200 and affect the interests of the over 8 billion people of the world.

00:05:14.480 Both sides should rise up to this historic responsibility

00:05:18.240 and steer the giant ship of China-U.S. relations forward, steadily and in the right direction.

00:05:26.100 The vice premier and I, who have a very good working relationship, I think we've seen each other, this was either our eighth or ninth meeting, worked on the agenda for today's meeting in terms of the economics, the deliverables.

00:05:40.160 And so we talked about purchases, we talked about some issues that the Chinese side had,

00:05:48.840 and we're going to talk about forming a board of trade for the bilateral trade between the U.S. and China,

00:05:58.680 and we're going to talk about a board of investment that will be responsible for investment in non-sensitive areas.

00:06:06.060 Now, please join me in a toast to the development and prosperity of China and the United States and the well-being of our people, to the bright future of China-U.S. relations and the friendship between the two peoples, and to the health of President Trump and all the friends present. Cheers.

00:06:27.360 Can be.

00:06:28.720 Cheers.

00:06:29.400 I know you're watching China. You don't think they're ramping up their military to do something in Taiwan. Well, I think they're ramping up their military in general. I mean, I mean, the pace of growth in the Chinese military over the last 10 years has no precedent. None. I mean, just what they've done with their Navy alone over the last they put billions and billions and billions of dollars in their system. So it's, you know, you look at it and it's hard to ignore how fast and how big. So I don't think it's just limited to Taiwan. I think they have ambitions to ultimately be able to project power

00:06:59.220 globally the way the U.S. does now they're not they're still behind us in that regard but there's

00:07:04.340 nonetheless they are investing a lot of money they are right now the world's second most powerful

00:07:08.300 military without a doubt. Thank you again President Xi for this beautiful welcome and

00:07:14.680 tonight it is my honor to extend an invitation to you and Madam Peng to visit us at the White House

00:07:22.340 This is September 24th, and we look forward to it, raise it last, and propose a toast to the rich and enduring ties between the American and Chinese people.

00:07:33.180 It's a very special relationship, and I want to thank you again. This has been an amazing period of time. Thank you, President Xi.

00:07:52.340 提出邀请于9月24号

00:07:56.100 邀请你们出访白宫

00:07:58.200 那我也希望针对

00:08:01.180 美国人民和中国人民之间

00:08:03.920 深厚的以及持久的友谊

00:08:06.400 我提议我们进行举杯

00:08:08.540 那么我们这两国关系

00:08:11.100 是非常独特的一项关系

00:08:13.400 感谢

00:08:22.340 The whole world is watching our meeting.

00:08:46.460 Currently, transformation not seen in a century is accelerating across the globe,

00:08:52.340 and the international situation is fluid and turbulent.

00:08:56.360 The world has come to a new crossroads.

00:08:59.360 Can China and the United States overcome the Thucydides trap and create a new paradigm

00:09:08.020 of major country relations?

00:09:12.400 Can we meet global challenges together and provide more stability for the world?

00:09:22.100 Can we, in the interests of the well-being of our two peoples and the future of humanity,

00:09:27.220 build a brighter future together for our bilateral relations?

00:09:33.140 These are the questions vital to history, to the world, and to the people.

00:09:40.480 They are the questions of our times that you and I need to answer as leaders of major countries.

00:09:48.260 seeing some reports now coming out from the Chinese side, one of the spokesmen, spokeswomen

00:09:54.740 actually for the Chinese party, making reference to something called the Thucydides trap and saying

00:10:01.380 that Xi Jinping spoke with President Trump about the potential of avoiding the Thucydides trap.

00:10:07.460 And this, of course, is a reference to the Peloponnesian Wars, wherein the ruling state

00:10:12.380 of sparta was challenged by the rising state of athens and the idea that this is a cycle that

00:10:19.140 goes on throughout geopolitics where the current superpower will always be challenged militarily

00:10:25.640 and then it will end into a war with the rising power this of course being something that a lot

00:10:30.540 of people have used to describe china and the united states over the years very interesting

00:10:35.720 and striking to hear that type of language from Xi Jinping's side.

00:10:41.100 Okay, Thursday, 14 May, Year of Our Lord, 2026.

00:10:45.460 I want to thank Real America's Voice,

00:10:47.000 everybody that made last night's live coverage possible,

00:10:50.500 the entire team here at the War Room,

00:10:52.060 and RAV, the folks out in Denver.

00:10:53.940 Great job, magnificent, and, of course, all of our analysts.

00:10:58.840 I want to get to Jack Posovic.

00:11:02.240 Let's go to the signal, not the noise.

00:11:05.720 Jack, we have taught, as you know, in fact, you were the first guest we had back, I think it was January 20th of 2020 when we shifted the show to become War Room Pandemic.

00:11:19.500 We're still doing War Room Impeachment.

00:11:20.840 We took an hour in the morning, in fact, the 11 to 12 hour, I think, initially.

00:11:24.940 You were the very first guest.

00:11:27.900 The reason is because of your deep understanding as a naval intelligence officer about the Chinese and your ability to both understand and speak Mandarin.

00:11:37.380 And you ended it by saying, I asked you, I said, does this issue with the pandemic mean that Xi may have lost the mandate of heaven?

00:11:47.840 And you went in and talked a lot about what that means.

00:11:50.440 This concept of the Thucydides trap, which is among people who are China hands or follow this, this is from Graham Allison and Dr. Henry Kissinger, this construct that they really had and they started about the Soviet Union in the United States in the 60s and the 70s. 0.51

00:12:10.460 but they transplanted that framing to actually the United States and China now,

00:12:17.440 is for Xi to say that, and remember, those were his opening remarks.

00:12:21.440 That's not the remarks later at the dinner and the toast and all that.

00:12:25.820 To mention Thucydides' trap in the opening couple of minutes

00:12:29.500 is about as in your grill as you can get,

00:12:33.060 because people say this about the rising power and the existing power,

00:12:36.380 but really the implication and even what kissinger's theory was back in the 60s and 70s

00:12:41.860 it's the rising power versus the declining power the power that was the uh that was the hegemon

00:12:50.040 that is now declining jack basoba give me a minute or so on that we're going to go to break keep you

00:12:54.540 around for this morning yeah steve and and you could see that's that's my real reaction on that

00:13:00.920 clip you just played last night on fox when i was getting the readout from um from beijing where

00:13:08.560 hearing that xi jinping the chairman the state chairman of the chinese communist party brought

00:13:15.040 up the thucydides trap in the presence of donald trump the president united states or any president

00:13:21.140 of the united states and did so as his top line remark pairing it with taiwan saying very bluntly

00:13:29.260 that Taiwan will be ours one way or the other, the easy way or the hard way, and that we would

00:13:35.760 like to we would prefer to avoid the Thucydides trap. He's referring to the United States 0.96

00:13:42.800 as the fading hegemon and China as the rising power. Now, typically, Steve, this isn't the

00:13:50.700 first time, by the way, that you've seen Chinese diplomats do that, particularly since COVID,

00:13:54.540 since back when, you're right, when I was the first guest on War Room Pandemic in the opening

00:13:59.340 days of COVID-19, you saw lower level functionaries or party outlets like People's Daily would use

00:14:06.620 this type of language. They called it wolf warrior diplomacy. And they started to become more and

00:14:12.300 more aggressive towards the United States and towards farm powers in general. But to see the

00:14:18.720 state leader of china do that with the president of the united states in the room is it's just 1.00

00:14:26.160 something that i never thought would happen typically the chinese again they were the 0.68

00:14:30.380 technocratic leaders hu jintao jang zemin xi jinping is someone very very different okay

00:14:37.200 we got captain finnell we got captain finnell and uh jack basoba two naval intelligence officers

00:14:42.960 if we're going to get into all of this because Marco Rubio's response to NBC News strains

00:14:49.800 credulity. Oh, they mentioned it in passing and then we kind of moved on to other topics.

00:14:54.060 Ain't buying that, brother. Not a chance. Short break.

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00:16:33.760 Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

00:16:40.760 So make sure we heard Thucydides Trap. In the opening minutes, when President Trump's sitting

00:16:45.820 there, in the opening minutes to bring up Thucydides Trap, because it is about a declining

00:16:52.020 power in a rising power graham allison actually came to the breitbart embassy uh i think in 18

00:17:00.940 maybe 19 and we had a lunch and then we had uh we met for several hours and i went through the

00:17:06.900 book the book is called if you haven't read it destined for war is where they put the the book

00:17:12.400 up finnell and and and um finnell particularly remember this jack he's a little older than you

00:17:19.120 still a kid to me but when i took the course i didn't have time to go to the naval war college

00:17:23.720 i went back to the pentagon to work as an aide to the cno so i took the correspondence course

00:17:28.100 i knew we were gonna have a shot so i took the correspondence courses of the naval war college

00:17:32.740 and um uh when i was at sea and the first the first thing you get is the peloponnesian war

00:17:38.160 and i go you know this is interesting i love history i love reading facilities all great

00:17:43.720 but you know we're in the 20th century and we got you know the russians all the what are we doing

00:17:48.420 here and they said no no you don't understand this is about a rising power and about a declining

00:17:53.540 power it's about sea power versus land power i go okay i got it back in those days and this draws

00:18:00.020 directly to today henry kissinger at harvard and graham allison were the two two of the big

00:18:06.100 nuclear strategists right with herman kahn and other guys that he was separate but and they had

00:18:11.360 a theory at the time the theory was the america united states of america was a declining power

00:18:16.860 the uh the soviet union was the ascendant power and we had to accommodate we had to do

00:18:23.700 uh all kind of treaties with them we needed detente uh we needed arms limitations that whole

00:18:31.140 construct was based around this theory that they're the right they have a command economy

00:18:35.700 they got all this military and there was one guy out there one guy one and it starts with one

00:18:41.940 one guy that said you know i don't know if i buy that um and that guy was president ron reagan

00:18:49.140 they set up a b team and i remember they did an analysis when president reagan um because he said

00:18:54.420 they're an evil empire when president reagan came into the be the commander in chief and beat carter

00:18:58.960 who was kind of you know all these guys were all captured by that construct that we were declining

00:19:04.460 power they did an analysis this is what they did an analysis think bill casey when he took over the

00:19:10.120 CIA did an analysis, and they came back and they said, you know, we made some miscalculations back

00:19:16.780 in the 50s and 60s, and the CIA has just been extrapolating those basic mistakes. And it turns

00:19:23.620 out their command economy, it's actually not as powerful as we think. And Ray, what do you mean

00:19:29.080 by that? Well, it's actually, you know, we kind of went off the bad assumption, and we just kind

00:19:33.040 of kept the math going, and, you know, it's not nearly as bigger. And they go, what do you talk

00:19:37.980 about and so they finally gave it to reagan and he looks at the economy he says well how big is

00:19:42.600 this economy and he they gave him a number and he says that's smaller than california i was governor

00:19:47.800 of a place that had a bigger economy than the soviet union how big can these guys how tough

00:19:52.360 can they be we're going to build a 600 ship navy i'm going to hammer down on we're going to rebuild

00:19:57.320 the military we're going to do star wars our technology our technology is greater than theirs

00:20:02.900 we will bury these guys and we won't have to fire a shot maybe some marginal you know conflicts on

00:20:08.480 the side but we're going to bury we're going to destroy the the evil empire this is why when you

00:20:12.680 go back to the KGB files they said the most and Kissinger was saying the most dangerous man in the

00:20:18.720 United States was Ronald Reagan why was that Reagan did not go along with what the conventional

00:20:24.360 wisdom was and that conventional wisdom was a couple of professors at Harvard Henry Kissinger

00:20:29.620 and graham allison all they've done is take the exact thing they were dead wrong on in the 1970s

00:20:39.340 and led us to all those arms control agreements and all that crap they the same guys just took

00:20:45.080 that template and put it in the city's trap today and so i asked graham allison i said hey brother

00:20:50.080 you have 16 times in world history this has happened a declining power and a or a hegemon

00:20:55.780 that's declining or has peaked versus ascended power 12 times if they didn't work out their

00:21:00.920 agreements they've led to these catastrophic wars i said but can you show me one time

00:21:06.240 where the elites in the declining power made more money and accumulated more wealth

00:21:15.420 on the way down and the way up he goes what are you talking about i said the business community

00:21:19.540 now is feasting on china that they're they're one of the biggest problems we've got they don't they

00:21:25.120 don't care about the chinese communist party uh and all this whining about what the persians do 0.77

00:21:30.120 to what the mullahs do to their people that is nothing that pales in comparison it's not one 0.88

00:21:34.440 100th anybody belly aching oh this is so terrible the mullahs doing the persian people it's one 0.72

00:21:39.580 thousandth what these murderers have done to the chinese people hell they've got 450 forced 0.88

00:21:47.200 abortions 80 percent of little girls see those kids jumping around last night on command by the 0.99

00:21:53.360 way that the future red guard and or harvard class of 2040 take your pick maybe both right 0.70

00:22:01.880 little automatons that boom you know jump up and down wave the flag cheer this is this and by the 0.72

00:22:09.360 450 80 little girls they have murdered i think what 250 million we can count lao baijing they've 0.68

00:22:17.440 murdered between fourth collectivization the cultural revolution the great leap forward 0.85

00:22:22.420 this is a murderous dictatorship every bit as bad as the nazis and anybody in business with 0.88

00:22:28.300 them are equivalent to financing hitler full stop they are a hundred times a thousand times worse 0.98

00:22:36.100 than the mullahs in tehran and the mullahs are pretty damn bad and this thing and graham allison 0.98

00:22:43.020 and said, what are you, I said, bro, you're putting this thing out as like, and everybody's

00:22:48.320 going to fall into it. And they did. And she and these guys love it. And don't forget the love tap

00:22:54.680 they gave us right before that. We're celebrating our 5,000th year of civilization, underlying

00:23:02.600 civilization. Oh, and happy birthday on your 250. Hope it works out for you. Jack Posobiec,

00:23:09.620 your thoughts, sir. You know, Steve, there's there's a lot here, but I think it needs to just

00:23:17.960 be stated over and over that this was remarkably blunt from the head of the country, the head of

00:23:26.380 China meeting with President Trump. And we were told that this was going to be a friendly meeting.

00:23:30.480 And certainly they showed the warm embrace, the public pageantry. But you're right. The jibes

00:23:35.940 like 250 versus 5,000, which of course isn't true. The Chinese Communist Party has only been there

00:23:40.460 since 1949, the PRC, and other points that's immaterial. To the point is the way that they

00:23:47.840 spoke to the president of the United States and the way they talked about Taiwan in particular,

00:23:51.720 not as an agenda item, not as something that was down the list and they mentioned it and move on.

00:23:57.420 No. He said, number one, this is our top issue. So Steve, let me be blunt. I will go back to my

00:24:05.720 original conversation with you, my very first interview on war room, when I said that she

00:24:10.260 needs to describe COVID-19 as a demon from hell, because he is fighting that demon to prevent him

00:24:18.660 from losing the mandate of heaven. Steve, what is another way to show that you have the mandate of

00:24:24.980 heaven? The reclamation of lost territory, the reclamation of lost territory for the empire,

00:24:33.560 the reuniting of lost territory now we we talked by the way this is a huge driver for putin when

00:24:39.980 it comes to ukraine and not just the uh the four oblasts that were um that were annexed but also

00:24:47.020 all the way up through odessa they view odessa as the city of katherine the great taiwan is viewed

00:24:52.080 by china as theirs they view and and i'm not going to get into the situation i sat down with the

00:24:56.600 taiwan ambassador yesterday i'm talking about the view from the chinese side from the ccp side they

00:25:02.420 view it as theirs, and they view it as a lingering piece of unfinished business from the Chinese

00:25:08.120 Civil War and the Communist Revolution. That's what this is about, Steve. And Chairman Mao,

00:25:14.140 famously, and I just keep thinking about this line, one of Chairman Mao's famous lines,

00:25:21.580 this is a revolution, not a dinner party.

00:25:28.120 amen fabulous captain for now we got a couple minutes before you go to break uh your thoughts

00:25:34.580 sir well i think you guys are on it i think uh what does he did and the fact that he used this

00:25:41.260 uh you know the the book that you put up from allison was written in 2015 so for the last 11

00:25:46.420 years american china hands academics have been pushing this thesis that oh this is going to end

00:25:53.160 up in a conflict. So we, United States, have to, as you said, accommodate, appease, make treaties,

00:25:59.480 have people-to-people engagements, government-to-government engagements. And that's what

00:26:03.740 we have done in our governments until the Trump administrations. And now we come into this event

00:26:09.120 and Xi tells Trump, hey, Taiwan is our core denominator between the two countries. That's

00:26:14.620 important. And he said that, yeah, he said it was a common denominator. And he said that if we

00:26:20.320 handle this properly, we'll have a great relationship. And then he said, otherwise,

00:26:24.440 the two countries will have clashes and even conflicts, putting the entire relationship in

00:26:28.980 great jeopardy. That's an open threat. So the use of the Thucydides trap vernacular,

00:26:34.940 then this outright threat that if you don't do it our way, we're going to have a problem,

00:26:39.260 we're going to have a clash. That's a threat of war. And so I think it's very, very telling to

00:26:44.580 Americans to really understand that this isn't just some kind of diplomatic rhetoric. This is

00:26:49.900 a declaration from g in the media in the media the major media too dumb to even pick up on it i bet 0.87

00:26:55.780 you i'll guarantee you virtually none of them knew what the city strap was right there's something

00:27:01.440 jack and i and you we've talked about this for years talk to people about the book also remember

00:27:06.780 go to break it failed the first time they sold it they didn't sell it for china graham allison

00:27:15.980 and Henry Kissinger, this is how Kissinger became the great strategic thinker that Nixon needed.

00:27:21.640 They sold this. This is why we went through years of kissing the ass of the Soviet Union 0.99

00:27:26.660 before a guy named Ronald Reagan showed up and said, you know what? How about this? We win, 0.99

00:27:32.280 they lose. That famous scene when he was interviewing his future national security

00:27:39.300 advisor, Richard V. Allen. I'll tell the story on the other side. This failed the first time.

00:27:45.220 It took Reagan to sit there and look and said, no way, they're an evil empire.

00:27:48.780 We're going to take them down.

00:27:49.920 And here's how we're going to take them down.

00:27:52.080 President Trump, in the first administration, he's the only president ever to confront these guys. 1.00

00:27:57.980 The Chinese like to be subtle. 1.00

00:28:01.160 That was, if you're a China hand and you follow this, this was as in your grill as you could possibly get. 1.00

00:28:07.600 They threatened us. 0.91

00:28:08.880 They threatened us and they threatened the commander in chief of the United States in the opening couple of minutes of the meeting yesterday.

00:28:16.960 And no, Marco Rubio ain't buying.

00:28:19.400 Oh, yeah, they talked about time while we just moved on.

00:28:21.380 They moved on to, you know, the Board of Trade.

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00:30:00.420 Okay, we have Captain James Fennell and Jack with several of the, I think,

00:30:04.940 smartest people in this area.

00:30:06.160 and uh i know them all so these are two of the best and uh have uh i've been very given very 0.99

00:30:14.280 blunt advice i want to go back because i want to make sure the chinese do think in long periods of

00:30:19.820 time jack the one thing i do disagree with you they about them running it for 100 years i got it

00:30:24.000 but they're just another they think they're in the line of succession of the of the emperors in fact

00:30:29.080 there's that one emperor that she you know believes he is uh for now no no we said no no

00:30:35.120 we say that in the china files we said he is the red emperor yes so so but they think in long

00:30:41.500 periods of time and that's why the love tap they gave us you know we're kind of commemorating our

00:30:46.120 5 000 years of civilization dynasty mal never established a dynasty his son of course died in

00:30:53.960 the korean war uh taiwan wasn't set up mal actually was a communist um but was she this

00:31:00.500 this is about dynasty building after after mal sent his son up to korea to die in the korean war

00:31:06.200 i might know i might give a footnote to um they've tried this before they think in long periods of

00:31:13.440 time and of course we think about the last news conference uh and so the united states particularly

00:31:18.280 our elites don't particularly understand history enough to look and they used to in the revolutionary

00:31:25.560 generation we've lost that and you can see this kowtowing all these business leaders

00:31:29.300 going over to kowtow to send to bring tribute as supplicants to she they're they're a huge part of

00:31:36.760 the problem when president reagan took over the one thing he didn't want to do you guys will

00:31:41.300 remember the audience if i can go ahead if i can and and the business leaders were the first ones

00:31:46.320 out of the room the bit that this this happened we're watching on twitter and everything last

00:31:51.440 throughout the money changers he threw out the money changers because business guys in chinese

00:31:56.880 society don't mean anything they're just merchants right these guys are about you're just you're just

00:32:00.860 the merchants you're the mercantilist so we're watching to see what happens with the readout and

00:32:05.660 you know what's going on behind that you know the central great hall of people and and who do we see

00:32:10.820 walk out it's it's all the ceos they're the first to leave elon must he throw them out this is what

00:32:16.380 when when the british ambassador came to the emperor about all the goods they wanted to do

00:32:21.520 and having all types of trade and everything like that they said hang on we're gonna think about it

00:32:26.020 Let's see what you got, et cetera.

00:32:27.420 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:32:28.520 And they had to wait like 90 days.

00:32:30.440 In fact, the ambassador got a notice.

00:32:32.560 It is the Qing Emperor.

00:32:33.380 Nothing's happened. 0.97

00:32:34.340 You have to come back.

00:32:35.800 You can't stay there forever.

00:32:37.240 And he put them and says, hey, you got to give us an answer.

00:32:39.320 And they said, OK, upon further review, we've looked at everything you've got.

00:32:43.100 We don't want any of it. 0.99

00:32:44.280 OK, we think it's all mediocre crap. 0.99

00:32:46.880 We don't need it. 1.00

00:32:47.760 We're China.

00:32:48.320 We're the Middle Kingdom. 0.99

00:32:49.540 Get the hell out of here.

00:32:50.620 And that's when, of course, the British and the British East India Company said, let's go to Plan B.

00:32:55.480 let's give them something that people are going to want opium okay that was the beginning of the

00:33:00.520 that's the way the brits rolled but hey i want to go back to the point there was it was driven by

00:33:06.280 mercantile policy it was driven by the merchants it was not driven by power by state interest it

00:33:12.720 was driven by economic mercantile interest and that is the the single biggest issue in our china

00:33:20.000 policy and has always been our biggest issue in china policy because it's all about oh can we

00:33:25.100 open it up and can we sell widgets to the 1.5 1.6 billion in china and it never works even after

00:33:31.820 we got the treaty ports we i say the west got the treaty ports in the opium wars they still didn't

00:33:36.740 fully open up the interior of china so the best that they were able to come up with along the way 0.82

00:33:42.080 was this system of globalization whereby and we're exploiting the slave labor of the lao baijing and 0.82

00:33:47.240 our one percent is getting rich their one percent is getting rich but everybody else is getting

00:33:50.860 screwed it's always the merchants always so when they ran this they ran this playbook kissender and

00:33:57.420 these guys ran this playbook the first time the united states and nixon nixon's part of it all of

00:34:02.860 them kowtow to him the democrats worse than than the nixon every kowtow to him we got to have

00:34:06.920 treaties and detente we got to do all this instead of dealing with the simple thing that they were

00:34:11.440 doing was vietnam you know squeeze them on that didn't do that let kids die in vietnam as we as 0.58

00:34:16.840 we went along this path that they're the rising power. We're the declining power. Finally,

00:34:21.420 Reagan comes up and he says, the one thing I don't want is no Kissingers. We're not going to 1.00

00:34:25.080 have any Kissingers or any Zigbee Brzezinski's. I don't need any grand strategists with a foreign 1.00

00:34:29.340 accent. Okay. I can't stand that. We're not going to do that. And so he, and they were looking at 1.00

00:34:35.160 people who weren't household names are going to be big media stars. And Richard V. Allen was the

00:34:39.520 guy. And they told me before they go in, they said, whatever you do, don't use the phrase

00:34:43.540 geopolitics just stick to the basics okay so this guy's so nervous and he goes in there and he's

00:34:50.480 babbling right he's babbling because you understand this is my interview i'm gonna get the biggest job

00:34:54.500 i could ever get in my entire life national security advisor to replace brzezinski and

00:34:59.180 kissinger for ronald reagan he gets so nervous and he catches himself saying geopolitics and he says

00:35:06.640 i gotta shut up he shuts up he says mr president-elect i apologize i'm very nervous i'm talking

00:35:11.840 too much. Really, what is your strategy? I'm here to serve you. What is your strategy? He goes,

00:35:17.120 Dick, how about this? We win, they lose. That cut through everything. That changed everything.

00:35:24.560 We were not a declining power. Bill Casey came back and said, the CIA has blown the assessment

00:35:30.140 of the economies. Their command structure economy is failing. Their military is all made with junk.

00:35:35.960 Okay, they got strong military and very brave people, right? The Red Army. But Captain Fennell, 0.99

00:35:41.320 that's what it took to break this trap we have been set in by the intellectuals in the country

00:35:48.320 of how we had to think of the soviet union president reagan said hey what about this

00:35:53.460 you're an evil empire you're an evil empire and we're going to do everything we can and we must

00:36:00.300 to bring you to your knees and they destroyed it what 10 years later it was destroyed the same 0.98

00:36:06.440 thing has happened here we've been set up and you're right the mercantile they're a mercantilist

00:36:12.100 power this is they're not a free market but the lords of easy money the corporate the geo the

00:36:18.180 the corporate uh the globalist corporate the corporate leaders and the tech bros elon musk

00:36:23.740 and these crowd who would all sell out and have they have sold out the united states every day

00:36:28.900 of the week they're the ones over there as the supplicants captain finnell your thoughts

00:36:33.560 Yeah, I agree. And I think that the story about what Ronald Reagan said, we win, you die, is it transformed the relationship with the Soviet Union and brought them down. And I think President Trump in his own way is actually doing the same thing. 0.68

00:36:49.680 Two days ago when we were on here talking about the visit coming up and Sam Faddis is on and we were saying that the president shouldn't go in as a supplicant.

00:36:59.400 And I think so far from what I've seen from the president's statements and from Secretary of State Rubio's statements, we're not acting as supplicants and Secretary of Treasury Besson's as well.

00:37:09.340 I would like to point out one other thing. You know, Xi, we pointed out, came in with this very tough language, this Thucydides trap threat, the actual open threat of using conflict if we don't get the Taiwan problem straight.

00:37:23.380 The Chinese are very subtle, too. They use another soft sell. And they did this, hey, you know, our 15th five-year plan is just like your 250th anniversary. 0.95

00:37:32.180 They did another thing that people aren't talking about. Xi yesterday said the great rejuvenation of China and the Make America Great Again agenda can go hand in hand. We can help each other succeed and advance the well-being of the whole world.

00:37:48.800 So they're going to play that card as well, which is to say, hey, we're just the same.

00:37:53.140 We're just equals.

00:37:54.380 And so I think we're kind of saying we'd like to see a Reagan-esque approach, which is to

00:37:59.900 say, hey, no, you're evil and we have nothing in common.

00:38:02.720 I think what President Trump does is he's more like Machiavelli.

00:38:06.260 He's going to go and meet with you and have dinner with you and say nice things about

00:38:09.540 you.

00:38:10.020 But then he's going to take your oil from Venezuela.

00:38:12.540 He's going to take your oil from the Strait of Hormuz.

00:38:14.860 He's going to put tariffs on you.

00:38:16.340 He's going to sign you up to a board of investment and we're going to play around with low end stuff and we're going to do to them what they've been doing to us economically for 40 plus years.

00:38:26.560 And so I know it's really hard right now. A lot of us don't like engagement.

00:38:30.540 I wrote a book with Brad Thayer saying engagement with communist China was our greatest strategic failure. 0.55

00:38:35.860 I don't like it because when senior leaders like the president go over there, then the rest of our government starts to engage. 0.75

00:38:42.460 And we're already seeing, you know, reports from different departments about this event and that event.

00:38:48.000 And we're going over. So I hope the president, you know, I'm trusting the president will hold the line tomorrow when he goes and speaks with Xi and Zhang and I.

00:38:57.660 They're CCP's compound there in Beijing. And they'll have this one on one talks.

00:39:02.600 I'm confident President Trump's not going to get bamboozled or buffaloed or sell America out.

00:39:07.960 But I do worry about the whole of government approach. And we got to make sure that we don't allow our government to do what we did in all those last 40 years where Republicans and Democrats appeased and tried to make nice and do people of people exchanges and mill to mill exchanges with the PRC thinking that they're going to change their spots.

00:39:28.780 They're not. They don't like us. They want to destroy us. They want to globally project power.

00:39:33.800 They want to take Taiwan. They prefer not to use force, but they're ready to use it. 0.95

00:39:38.440 And their sophistries by saying that MAGA is the same as, you know, the great rejuvenation of China are not moral equivalents in any way, shape or form.

00:39:47.280 just as the 15th five-year communist economic plan has nothing in common with 250 years of

00:39:53.500 freedom and liberty that we're going to celebrate this year based upon our declaration and our

00:39:59.140 constitution and what we demonstrated to the world about putting faith and trust in individual

00:40:05.280 liberty and the ability to allow people to live freely as opposed to living collectively in a

00:40:11.220 prison system. Jack, build on that for a second, particularly about the importance of reunification

00:40:18.340 of their territory. When they talk about his rejuvenation plan, which is essentially make

00:40:25.640 China great again, this is what Xi has been pushing forever. How central to them is the

00:40:32.880 concept of reunification of their territory? Well, Steve, I always try to explain it to

00:40:39.640 americans like this it's it's you know we look at as perspective from the history taiwan being

00:40:45.560 the democracy china of course being the communist authoritarian power and we say well of course we

00:40:50.720 side with the you know western style democracy there on the island taiwan but the way i always

00:40:56.160 try to explain it is imagine if it were a country like i don't know like like say it was texas say

00:41:02.240 texas had been had broken away from the united states and had been separated for a long time

00:41:10.140 and there were foreign powers that were meddling to keep texas out of the united states there would

00:41:16.060 be a lot of people who would look at that and say you know what we need texas back into the fold and

00:41:22.160 and i just mean obviously that you know the like most analogies doesn't always it doesn't fit one

00:41:26.940 to one. But the point is, they view it as a sign of weakness that Taiwan is still separate from

00:41:33.260 them. They view it as unfinished business. They look at it and say that is unacceptable. And the

00:41:39.300 only reason they couldn't do it, by the way, was because 1950, the Soviets said, no, you can't get

00:41:44.280 Taiwan. You can't go after Chiang Kai-shek after he looted the Treasury in Beijing and head on down

00:41:50.400 to Taipei, you've got to go and fight the Americans up in Korea and do that instead,

00:41:57.440 because that was also 1950, the outbreak of the war there. And so that's the reason. Plus, 0.70

00:42:01.880 China didn't have any Navy to speak of back then. So that's the reason that Taiwan was basically

00:42:06.480 able to get away with it. Truman parks a couple of aircraft carriers in the strait, and that's 0.56

00:42:12.180 really what set off the current situation. And so they view it as not that it's essential in terms

00:42:18.740 of their overall rise though of course obviously they would they do want the chips but they view

00:42:22.880 it as a sign of weakness that they aren't able to reclaim that territory and if she is able to do so

00:42:28.740 then his power his influence his rule over china will be complete i just want to mention by the

00:42:37.520 way uh sam i mean captain finnell and uh jack are in a hole with us for the last block uh we're

00:42:44.920 and go into this a little bit more.

00:42:47.740 The power that Xi has, though, he's, I think since Mao,

00:42:52.140 and I'm not even sure Mao had it, he's chairman of the Communist Party,

00:42:56.060 he's the head of state, he's also the head of the military.

00:42:59.520 I don't think technically, Captain Fennell, we got 30 seconds,

00:43:02.420 I don't think technically, was Mao ever head of the PLA as Xi is?

00:43:06.680 I think he was symbolically, but Xi actually has all three power positions

00:43:11.520 in the Chinese entity, correct?

00:43:14.920 Yes, Xi has all of them. Mao had them as well. Even Jiang Zemin had them, and he didn't give them up to Hu Jintao. So they do play around with that. But Xi has consolidated all the power, and he's obviously broken their constitution, which was supposedly you only get two five-year terms. He's now into his third five-year term.

00:43:35.080 And so he is emperor for life in his mind, and he has made no indication of a successor.

00:43:41.800 So that's, I think Jack said it earlier, this is an empire.

00:43:44.660 It's not a communist party that has normal rule of order.

00:43:48.300 Hang on for a second.

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00:45:53.960 Okay, we are going to be live again tonight at 10 o'clock.

00:45:56.660 Captain Fennell, give us your thoughts about day one and looking forward.

00:46:01.620 Now, day two is going to be different.

00:46:03.220 They're not going to be in the Great Hall.

00:46:04.260 They're going to go to the compound that essentially, I guess, Mao set up where all the senior leaders of the Chinese Communist Party essentially live, right?

00:46:12.740 It's their, like, exclusive area.

00:46:15.900 Your thoughts, sir?

00:46:18.020 Yeah, Zhong and Hai is the exclusive compound of the Chinese Communist Party.

00:46:22.020 and it'll be one-on-one talks. It's traditional, and this is how other paramount leaders of China

00:46:27.580 have operated with American leaders. I expected from today and what I saw today was what we had

00:46:33.400 hoped for, which is a president that was, you know, polite, diplomatic, but Secretary of State

00:46:39.880 Rubio's statement about there's been no change to the Taiwan policy is refreshing for me to hear,

00:46:45.580 and he said it was unlikely that that policy would be changed. So I think while they probably

00:46:51.540 brought it up much more than he indicated, and they'll probably bring it up again tomorrow.

00:46:55.580 I don't see us caving in on that. So I'm very encouraged by that. The president, as we said

00:47:00.100 a couple of days ago, he is in the power position. He controls the world's oil today, energy supply,

00:47:06.420 and that's something of very great importance to China. They want foreign direct investment.

00:47:12.360 President Trump brought all the capability to bring foreign direct investment to China,

00:47:16.420 but they're going to have to give up something to get that. And so I think the president

00:47:20.100 is playing them very well. And we'll just have to see how the results come out tomorrow and

00:47:25.200 the statements that are made. But we have to make sure that we don't forget that Xi thinks he's in

00:47:30.600 a position of power. And I think that's also part of this is that we're demonstrating to him

00:47:34.720 that maybe his power isn't as strong as he thinks. And so if we do that, that'll put Xi under even

00:47:40.660 greater pressure as he comes out of this meeting, dealing with his own fractures inside the

00:47:44.820 Communist Party. And so I'm actually pretty encouraged by what I saw today. And we just

00:47:50.680 got to hold the line and not compromise with them. Great. Jack, Secretary Rubio mentioned

00:47:57.920 strategic ambiguity. Explain that to the audience. And why does Rubio think it's important? And do

00:48:04.420 you think it's important? Well, Steve, strategic ambiguity refers to the longstanding policy of

00:48:10.940 the U.S. vis-a-vis Taiwan. Do we recognize them? Do we not recognize them? Will we help them in a

00:48:16.500 time of war? Will we not help them? Will we stand by and let China subsume the island?

00:48:21.800 This has always been sort of the U.S. policy since the 1970s. Remember, this was a secret 0.53

00:48:25.680 document back in 1971, originally governing it. And then eventually Carter switched the

00:48:32.440 recognition of the U.S. government to the People's Republic of China rather than the Republic of

00:48:39.280 China, which, of course, worked in turn to set a chain of events in motion, which gave China the

00:48:45.900 control of that seat at the United Nations, which gave the Chinese communists control of the seat. 0.54

00:48:51.440 These things never should have been done. China never should have been allowed into the World 0.99

00:48:55.460 Trade Organization. They should be removed from this. They should be stripped of their most 0.99

00:48:58.860 favored nation status. President Trump's tariffs are 100 percent correct. Dr. Navarro is 100 percent

00:49:03.860 correct on what we need to do to constrain and quell the dragon. And Steve, ultimately,

00:49:10.680 it isn't national security. That's a question here. The national security side, people understand

00:49:15.680 completely what's going on. The issue is the mercantilists. The issue is the merchants.

00:49:21.060 The merchants get in there and they say, we need to have this investment. We need these. Why do we

00:49:25.480 need them? Why do we need Chinese buying up all of our farmland? Why do we need them buying up 1.00

00:49:30.240 all of these single family homes so they can park their investments and park their cash in there 1.00

00:49:34.240 because Chinese banks suck. Why do we need all of these Chinese students at the universities? 1.00

00:49:39.560 They should be deported. Their visas should be stripped. There's no question that. And by the 1.00

00:49:43.600 way, it could be done. It could be done because of the threat that Xi Jinping just gave to President

00:49:52.600 Trump in the room. You don't threaten the president of the United States when you come in for a

00:49:57.340 meeting like that when he flies all the way over there with the delegation you don't make threats

00:50:01.800 you don't call us the fading power of the sooth cities trap no no you don't treat a president

00:50:07.740 like that honestly if and this is just me but honestly if i were president trump i'd get i'd

00:50:12.940 get in the plane and take off or what i would do is at least take a uh carrier strike group and

00:50:19.360 let's sail it today through the uh through the straits of taiwan entire seven call up to seventh

00:50:24.040 fleet and put them in a straight put them in the straight and let's get some fire control solution

00:50:28.100 let's just start getting the radars going and getting some fire control solutions on people

00:50:31.320 the only thing they understand their aircraft carriers are force yes the only thing they

00:50:36.820 understand is force jack jack where can people get you uh you're going to be doing a lot of

00:50:41.100 commentary tonight we're going to try to track you down understand it's jack jack's birthday so

00:50:45.460 you're going to be occupied it is it is uh he's uh he's turn turn it turn not not not only is he

00:50:50.860 turn in eight steve but more importantly than that uh this weekend is going to be my my eldest

00:50:55.560 son's first holy communion and so a lot of people said jack why aren't you on the china trip and i

00:51:00.720 said i got a couple a couple things that are more important and and uh first communion is definitely

00:51:04.960 one of those but we'll be up uh we'll be up at jack posovic human events daily apple spotify and

00:51:10.920 and yes as you say i got a lot of interviews lined up so i don't want to give i guess you'll

00:51:16.120 play it on uh human events daily but jack so it's a war and posse understand jack's been on for

00:51:21.280 six years now uh and basically he and captain finnell and dr thayer and sam fattis our entire

00:51:27.900 and the new federal state of china that people you know getting information out there so everything

00:51:32.560 you saw the last couple days nothing shocking but last night on fox jack was trying to explain this

00:51:38.720 that is lucidity's trapped if people had never heard of it in their life and somebody goes gee

00:51:44.300 whiz that's such a great history lesson it was it was very endearing but it also showed come on it 0.98

00:51:50.420 was a fun moment it was a fun moment fox news tv for stupid people uh jack basobic thank you so 0.80

00:51:56.860 much for coming on captain finnell thank you so much for coming on appreciate both you guys two 0.98

00:52:01.560 warriors captain james finnell had the courage to stand up what 16 years ago and say that people

00:52:13.500 were trying to avoid trying to divert their gaze from the rise of the Chinese Navy, the money they

00:52:18.280 were putting in. He was a hero. Gave up his career to do that, to warn the American people what was

00:52:23.940 going on. That's what we need to do now. President Trump, James Fennell saying Machiavelli because

00:52:33.560 he's run the tables on Venezuela and on at least the control of the oil coming out of Iran. The

00:52:41.320 Iran foreign minister is in India, another one of America's greatest allies, India, talking right

00:52:48.520 now. I think they have actually put forward that, hey, you know, we heard what's going on in Beijing.

00:52:54.100 The strait is going to be open. It's going to be under our control, but we'll open it. I don't know

00:52:59.620 if that's going to work. I don't think that's going to work. Anyway, we're going to take a short

00:53:04.360 commercial break. Get ready for the second hour. We're going to break this all down, particularly

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Bannon's War Room - May 14, 2026

Episode 5371： XI And President Trump Continue China Summit; The Ruthlessness Of The Chinese Communist Party

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