Learn English with Donald Trump. President Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping discuss China-U.S. relations, international affairs, trade, Taiwan, and much more. China and the United States should be partners, not rivals, not enemies, President Trump says.
00:01:12.360and international and regional dynamics.
00:01:15.600We both believe that the China-U.S. relationship
00:01:18.640is the most important bilateral relationship in the world.
00:01:23.260We must make it work and never mess it up.
00:01:27.460Both China and the United States stand to gain from cooperation and lose from confrontation.
00:01:35.020Our two countries should be partners rather than rivals.
00:01:39.580President Trump and I also agreed to build a constructive China-U.S. relationship of strategic stability
00:01:46.680to promote the steady, sound, and sustainable development of China-U.S. relations
00:01:53.520and bring more peace, prosperity, and progress to the world.
00:01:58.660Well, thank you very much. This is a great honor. It was a fantastic day.
00:02:04.640And in particular, I want to thank President Xi, my friend, for this magnificent welcome.
00:02:12.260And it really was a magnificent welcome like none other.
00:02:16.500And for so graciously hosting us on this very historic state visit,
00:02:21.940We had extremely positive and productive conversations and meetings today with the Chinese delegation earlier.
00:02:31.020And this evening is another cherished opportunity to discuss among friends some of the things that we discussed today, all good for the United States and for China.
00:02:43.380And it was a great honor to be with you, please.
00:02:45.820And across the centuries, this mutual esteem grew into a relationship that reflected the tremendous talent and potential of our two people.
00:02:56.960Chinese workers helped lay the railroad tracks that connected our Atlantic coast to the Pacific.
00:03:03.680American travelers to China helped spread literacy and modern medicine.
00:03:07.920And at the request of China's ambassador, it was President Theodore Roosevelt who provided the funds to establish President Xi's alma mater, Tsinghua University.
00:03:20.500Congress appropriates, and as Congress decides what to do with those topics, we will respond accordingly.
00:03:25.540But nothing has changed in the way the U.S. views the relationship with Taiwan.
00:03:29.020It will defend Taiwan, as has been historically.
00:03:31.800U.S. policy on the issue of Taiwan is unchanged as of today and as of the meeting that we had here today.
00:03:37.620It was raised. They always raise it on their side. We always make clear our position and we move on to the other topics.
00:03:43.180We know where they stand. I think they know where we stand for the other topics. We know where they stand. I think they know where we stand.
00:03:48.240Do you think China wants to invade Taiwan? Well, I think China's preference is probably to have Taiwan willingly voluntarily join them in a perfect world.
00:03:56.040What they would want is some vote or a referendum in Taiwan that agrees to fold in. I think that's what they would prefer.
00:04:02.120Ultimately, it's featured prominently in President Xi's mandate in the time he's been in office.
00:04:08.960He's made clear that what they call reunification, that's what they call it, is something that has to happen at some point.
00:04:14.380We think it would be a terrible mistake to force that through force or anything of that nature.
00:04:18.180There would be repercussions for that globally, not just from the United States.
00:04:23.080That sort of ambiguity is what I think has defined the way we characterize this issue.
00:04:28.880And the reason being a strategic ambiguity is we don't want to see conflict.
00:04:32.120We don't want to see something disruptive happen because I think it would be very disruptive for the world and for both countries.
00:04:37.700Honorable President Donald J. Trump, ladies and gentlemen, friends, looking back at the course of China-U.S. relations,
00:04:46.380whether or not we could have mutual respect, peaceful coexistence and win-win cooperation is the key to whether the relationship can advance steadily.
00:04:56.840The world today is changing and turbulent.
00:05:01.660China-U.S. relations concern the well-being of the over 1.7 billion people of both countries
00:05:08.200and affect the interests of the over 8 billion people of the world.
00:05:14.480Both sides should rise up to this historic responsibility
00:05:18.240and steer the giant ship of China-U.S. relations forward, steadily and in the right direction.
00:05:26.100The vice premier and I, who have a very good working relationship, I think we've seen each other, this was either our eighth or ninth meeting, worked on the agenda for today's meeting in terms of the economics, the deliverables.
00:05:40.160And so we talked about purchases, we talked about some issues that the Chinese side had,
00:05:48.840and we're going to talk about forming a board of trade for the bilateral trade between the U.S. and China,
00:05:58.680and we're going to talk about a board of investment that will be responsible for investment in non-sensitive areas.
00:06:06.060Now, please join me in a toast to the development and prosperity of China and the United States and the well-being of our people, to the bright future of China-U.S. relations and the friendship between the two peoples, and to the health of President Trump and all the friends present. Cheers.
00:06:29.400I know you're watching China. You don't think they're ramping up their military to do something in Taiwan. Well, I think they're ramping up their military in general. I mean, I mean, the pace of growth in the Chinese military over the last 10 years has no precedent. None. I mean, just what they've done with their Navy alone over the last they put billions and billions and billions of dollars in their system. So it's, you know, you look at it and it's hard to ignore how fast and how big. So I don't think it's just limited to Taiwan. I think they have ambitions to ultimately be able to project power
00:06:59.220globally the way the U.S. does now they're not they're still behind us in that regard but there's
00:07:04.340nonetheless they are investing a lot of money they are right now the world's second most powerful
00:07:08.300military without a doubt. Thank you again President Xi for this beautiful welcome and
00:07:14.680tonight it is my honor to extend an invitation to you and Madam Peng to visit us at the White House
00:07:22.340This is September 24th, and we look forward to it, raise it last, and propose a toast to the rich and enduring ties between the American and Chinese people.
00:07:33.180It's a very special relationship, and I want to thank you again. This has been an amazing period of time. Thank you, President Xi.
00:11:02.240Let's go to the signal, not the noise.
00:11:05.720Jack, we have taught, as you know, in fact, you were the first guest we had back, I think it was January 20th of 2020 when we shifted the show to become War Room Pandemic.
00:11:19.500We're still doing War Room Impeachment.
00:11:20.840We took an hour in the morning, in fact, the 11 to 12 hour, I think, initially.
00:11:27.900The reason is because of your deep understanding as a naval intelligence officer about the Chinese and your ability to both understand and speak Mandarin.
00:11:37.380And you ended it by saying, I asked you, I said, does this issue with the pandemic mean that Xi may have lost the mandate of heaven?
00:11:47.840And you went in and talked a lot about what that means.
00:11:50.440This concept of the Thucydides trap, which is among people who are China hands or follow this, this is from Graham Allison and Dr. Henry Kissinger, this construct that they really had and they started about the Soviet Union in the United States in the 60s and the 70s.0.51
00:12:10.460but they transplanted that framing to actually the United States and China now,
00:12:17.440is for Xi to say that, and remember, those were his opening remarks.
00:12:21.440That's not the remarks later at the dinner and the toast and all that.
00:12:25.820To mention Thucydides' trap in the opening couple of minutes
00:12:29.500is about as in your grill as you can get,
00:12:33.060because people say this about the rising power and the existing power,
00:12:36.380but really the implication and even what kissinger's theory was back in the 60s and 70s
00:12:41.860it's the rising power versus the declining power the power that was the uh that was the hegemon
00:12:50.040that is now declining jack basoba give me a minute or so on that we're going to go to break keep you
00:12:54.540around for this morning yeah steve and and you could see that's that's my real reaction on that
00:13:00.920clip you just played last night on fox when i was getting the readout from um from beijing where
00:13:08.560hearing that xi jinping the chairman the state chairman of the chinese communist party brought
00:13:15.040up the thucydides trap in the presence of donald trump the president united states or any president
00:13:21.140of the united states and did so as his top line remark pairing it with taiwan saying very bluntly
00:13:29.260that Taiwan will be ours one way or the other, the easy way or the hard way, and that we would
00:13:35.760like to we would prefer to avoid the Thucydides trap. He's referring to the United States0.96
00:13:42.800as the fading hegemon and China as the rising power. Now, typically, Steve, this isn't the
00:13:50.700first time, by the way, that you've seen Chinese diplomats do that, particularly since COVID,
00:13:54.540since back when, you're right, when I was the first guest on War Room Pandemic in the opening
00:13:59.340days of COVID-19, you saw lower level functionaries or party outlets like People's Daily would use
00:14:06.620this type of language. They called it wolf warrior diplomacy. And they started to become more and
00:14:12.300more aggressive towards the United States and towards farm powers in general. But to see the
00:14:18.720state leader of china do that with the president of the united states in the room is it's just1.00
00:14:26.160something that i never thought would happen typically the chinese again they were the0.68
00:14:30.380technocratic leaders hu jintao jang zemin xi jinping is someone very very different okay
00:14:37.200we got captain finnell we got captain finnell and uh jack basoba two naval intelligence officers
00:14:42.960if we're going to get into all of this because Marco Rubio's response to NBC News strains
00:14:49.800credulity. Oh, they mentioned it in passing and then we kind of moved on to other topics.
00:14:54.060Ain't buying that, brother. Not a chance. Short break.
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00:28:08.880They threatened us and they threatened the commander in chief of the United States in the opening couple of minutes of the meeting yesterday.
00:32:50.620And that's when, of course, the British and the British East India Company said, let's go to Plan B.
00:32:55.480let's give them something that people are going to want opium okay that was the beginning of the
00:33:00.520that's the way the brits rolled but hey i want to go back to the point there was it was driven by
00:33:06.280mercantile policy it was driven by the merchants it was not driven by power by state interest it
00:33:12.720was driven by economic mercantile interest and that is the the single biggest issue in our china
00:33:20.000policy and has always been our biggest issue in china policy because it's all about oh can we
00:33:25.100open it up and can we sell widgets to the 1.5 1.6 billion in china and it never works even after
00:33:31.820we got the treaty ports we i say the west got the treaty ports in the opium wars they still didn't
00:33:36.740fully open up the interior of china so the best that they were able to come up with along the way0.82
00:33:42.080was this system of globalization whereby and we're exploiting the slave labor of the lao baijing and0.82
00:33:47.240our one percent is getting rich their one percent is getting rich but everybody else is getting
00:33:50.860screwed it's always the merchants always so when they ran this they ran this playbook kissender and
00:33:57.420these guys ran this playbook the first time the united states and nixon nixon's part of it all of
00:34:02.860them kowtow to him the democrats worse than than the nixon every kowtow to him we got to have
00:34:06.920treaties and detente we got to do all this instead of dealing with the simple thing that they were
00:34:11.440doing was vietnam you know squeeze them on that didn't do that let kids die in vietnam as we as0.58
00:34:16.840we went along this path that they're the rising power. We're the declining power. Finally,
00:34:21.420Reagan comes up and he says, the one thing I don't want is no Kissingers. We're not going to1.00
00:34:25.080have any Kissingers or any Zigbee Brzezinski's. I don't need any grand strategists with a foreign1.00
00:34:29.340accent. Okay. I can't stand that. We're not going to do that. And so he, and they were looking at1.00
00:34:35.160people who weren't household names are going to be big media stars. And Richard V. Allen was the
00:34:39.520guy. And they told me before they go in, they said, whatever you do, don't use the phrase
00:34:43.540geopolitics just stick to the basics okay so this guy's so nervous and he goes in there and he's
00:34:50.480babbling right he's babbling because you understand this is my interview i'm gonna get the biggest job
00:34:54.500i could ever get in my entire life national security advisor to replace brzezinski and
00:34:59.180kissinger for ronald reagan he gets so nervous and he catches himself saying geopolitics and he says
00:35:06.640i gotta shut up he shuts up he says mr president-elect i apologize i'm very nervous i'm talking
00:35:11.840too much. Really, what is your strategy? I'm here to serve you. What is your strategy? He goes,
00:35:17.120Dick, how about this? We win, they lose. That cut through everything. That changed everything.
00:35:24.560We were not a declining power. Bill Casey came back and said, the CIA has blown the assessment
00:35:30.140of the economies. Their command structure economy is failing. Their military is all made with junk.
00:35:35.960Okay, they got strong military and very brave people, right? The Red Army. But Captain Fennell,0.99
00:35:41.320that's what it took to break this trap we have been set in by the intellectuals in the country
00:35:48.320of how we had to think of the soviet union president reagan said hey what about this
00:35:53.460you're an evil empire you're an evil empire and we're going to do everything we can and we must
00:36:00.300to bring you to your knees and they destroyed it what 10 years later it was destroyed the same0.98
00:36:06.440thing has happened here we've been set up and you're right the mercantile they're a mercantilist
00:36:12.100power this is they're not a free market but the lords of easy money the corporate the geo the
00:36:18.180the corporate uh the globalist corporate the corporate leaders and the tech bros elon musk
00:36:23.740and these crowd who would all sell out and have they have sold out the united states every day
00:36:28.900of the week they're the ones over there as the supplicants captain finnell your thoughts
00:36:33.560Yeah, I agree. And I think that the story about what Ronald Reagan said, we win, you die, is it transformed the relationship with the Soviet Union and brought them down. And I think President Trump in his own way is actually doing the same thing.0.68
00:36:49.680Two days ago when we were on here talking about the visit coming up and Sam Faddis is on and we were saying that the president shouldn't go in as a supplicant.
00:36:59.400And I think so far from what I've seen from the president's statements and from Secretary of State Rubio's statements, we're not acting as supplicants and Secretary of Treasury Besson's as well.
00:37:09.340I would like to point out one other thing. You know, Xi, we pointed out, came in with this very tough language, this Thucydides trap threat, the actual open threat of using conflict if we don't get the Taiwan problem straight.
00:37:23.380The Chinese are very subtle, too. They use another soft sell. And they did this, hey, you know, our 15th five-year plan is just like your 250th anniversary.0.95
00:37:32.180They did another thing that people aren't talking about. Xi yesterday said the great rejuvenation of China and the Make America Great Again agenda can go hand in hand. We can help each other succeed and advance the well-being of the whole world.
00:37:48.800So they're going to play that card as well, which is to say, hey, we're just the same.
00:38:16.340He's going to sign you up to a board of investment and we're going to play around with low end stuff and we're going to do to them what they've been doing to us economically for 40 plus years.
00:38:26.560And so I know it's really hard right now. A lot of us don't like engagement.
00:38:30.540I wrote a book with Brad Thayer saying engagement with communist China was our greatest strategic failure.0.55
00:38:35.860I don't like it because when senior leaders like the president go over there, then the rest of our government starts to engage.0.75
00:38:42.460And we're already seeing, you know, reports from different departments about this event and that event.
00:38:48.000And we're going over. So I hope the president, you know, I'm trusting the president will hold the line tomorrow when he goes and speaks with Xi and Zhang and I.
00:38:57.660They're CCP's compound there in Beijing. And they'll have this one on one talks.
00:39:02.600I'm confident President Trump's not going to get bamboozled or buffaloed or sell America out.
00:39:07.960But I do worry about the whole of government approach. And we got to make sure that we don't allow our government to do what we did in all those last 40 years where Republicans and Democrats appeased and tried to make nice and do people of people exchanges and mill to mill exchanges with the PRC thinking that they're going to change their spots.
00:39:28.780They're not. They don't like us. They want to destroy us. They want to globally project power.
00:39:33.800They want to take Taiwan. They prefer not to use force, but they're ready to use it.0.95
00:39:38.440And their sophistries by saying that MAGA is the same as, you know, the great rejuvenation of China are not moral equivalents in any way, shape or form.
00:39:47.280just as the 15th five-year communist economic plan has nothing in common with 250 years of
00:39:53.500freedom and liberty that we're going to celebrate this year based upon our declaration and our
00:39:59.140constitution and what we demonstrated to the world about putting faith and trust in individual
00:40:05.280liberty and the ability to allow people to live freely as opposed to living collectively in a
00:40:11.220prison system. Jack, build on that for a second, particularly about the importance of reunification
00:40:18.340of their territory. When they talk about his rejuvenation plan, which is essentially make
00:40:25.640China great again, this is what Xi has been pushing forever. How central to them is the
00:40:32.880concept of reunification of their territory? Well, Steve, I always try to explain it to
00:40:39.640americans like this it's it's you know we look at as perspective from the history taiwan being
00:40:45.560the democracy china of course being the communist authoritarian power and we say well of course we
00:40:50.720side with the you know western style democracy there on the island taiwan but the way i always
00:40:56.160try to explain it is imagine if it were a country like i don't know like like say it was texas say
00:41:02.240texas had been had broken away from the united states and had been separated for a long time
00:41:10.140and there were foreign powers that were meddling to keep texas out of the united states there would
00:41:16.060be a lot of people who would look at that and say you know what we need texas back into the fold and
00:41:22.160and i just mean obviously that you know the like most analogies doesn't always it doesn't fit one
00:41:26.940to one. But the point is, they view it as a sign of weakness that Taiwan is still separate from
00:41:33.260them. They view it as unfinished business. They look at it and say that is unacceptable. And the
00:41:39.300only reason they couldn't do it, by the way, was because 1950, the Soviets said, no, you can't get
00:41:44.280Taiwan. You can't go after Chiang Kai-shek after he looted the Treasury in Beijing and head on down
00:41:50.400to Taipei, you've got to go and fight the Americans up in Korea and do that instead,
00:41:57.440because that was also 1950, the outbreak of the war there. And so that's the reason. Plus,0.70
00:42:01.880China didn't have any Navy to speak of back then. So that's the reason that Taiwan was basically
00:42:06.480able to get away with it. Truman parks a couple of aircraft carriers in the strait, and that's0.56
00:42:12.180really what set off the current situation. And so they view it as not that it's essential in terms
00:42:18.740of their overall rise though of course obviously they would they do want the chips but they view
00:42:22.880it as a sign of weakness that they aren't able to reclaim that territory and if she is able to do so
00:42:28.740then his power his influence his rule over china will be complete i just want to mention by the
00:42:37.520way uh sam i mean captain finnell and uh jack are in a hole with us for the last block uh we're
00:43:14.920Yes, Xi has all of them. Mao had them as well. Even Jiang Zemin had them, and he didn't give them up to Hu Jintao. So they do play around with that. But Xi has consolidated all the power, and he's obviously broken their constitution, which was supposedly you only get two five-year terms. He's now into his third five-year term.
00:43:35.080And so he is emperor for life in his mind, and he has made no indication of a successor.
00:43:41.800So that's, I think Jack said it earlier, this is an empire.
00:43:44.660It's not a communist party that has normal rule of order.
00:43:49.940Captain Fennell, Jack Posobiec on the other side.
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00:45:53.960Okay, we are going to be live again tonight at 10 o'clock.
00:45:56.660Captain Fennell, give us your thoughts about day one and looking forward.
00:46:01.620Now, day two is going to be different.
00:46:03.220They're not going to be in the Great Hall.
00:46:04.260They're going to go to the compound that essentially, I guess, Mao set up where all the senior leaders of the Chinese Communist Party essentially live, right?