Bannon's War Room - May 14, 2026


Episode 5371： XI And President Trump Continue China Summit; The Ruthlessness Of The Chinese Communist Party

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Learn English with Donald Trump. President Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping discuss China-U.S. relations, international affairs, trade, Taiwan, and much more. China and the United States should be partners, not rivals, not enemies, President Trump says.

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00:00:00 Zhaofu Shijie 0.99
00:00:30 anniversary of American
00:00:32 independence. The over
00:00:34 300 million American people
00:00:36 are reinvigorating the spirit
00:00:38 of patriotism, innovation
00:00:40 and enterprise
00:00:41 and ushering in a new journey
00:00:44 for the development of the United
00:00:46 States. The people of
00:00:48 China and the United States
00:00:50 are both great peoples.
00:00:53 Achieving the great rejuvenation
00:00:54 of the Chinese nation
00:00:56 and making America great again
00:00:58 can go hand in hand.
00:01:00 We can help each other succeed
00:01:02 and advance the well-being of the whole world.
00:01:06 Today, President Trump and I had in-depth exchanges
00:01:10 on China-U.S. relations
00:01:12 and international and regional dynamics.
00:01:15 We both believe that the China-U.S. relationship
00:01:18 is the most important bilateral relationship in the world.
00:01:23 We must make it work and never mess it up.
00:01:27 Both China and the United States stand to gain from cooperation and lose from confrontation.
00:01:35 Our two countries should be partners rather than rivals.
00:01:39 President Trump and I also agreed to build a constructive China-U.S. relationship of strategic stability
00:01:46 to promote the steady, sound, and sustainable development of China-U.S. relations
00:01:53 and bring more peace, prosperity, and progress to the world.
00:01:58 Well, thank you very much. This is a great honor. It was a fantastic day.
00:02:04 And in particular, I want to thank President Xi, my friend, for this magnificent welcome.
00:02:12 And it really was a magnificent welcome like none other.
00:02:16 And for so graciously hosting us on this very historic state visit,
00:02:21 We had extremely positive and productive conversations and meetings today with the Chinese delegation earlier.
00:02:31 And this evening is another cherished opportunity to discuss among friends some of the things that we discussed today, all good for the United States and for China.
00:02:43 And it was a great honor to be with you, please.
00:02:45 And across the centuries, this mutual esteem grew into a relationship that reflected the tremendous talent and potential of our two people.
00:02:56 Chinese workers helped lay the railroad tracks that connected our Atlantic coast to the Pacific.
00:03:03 American travelers to China helped spread literacy and modern medicine.
00:03:07 And at the request of China's ambassador, it was President Theodore Roosevelt who provided the funds to establish President Xi's alma mater, Tsinghua University.
00:03:20 Congress appropriates, and as Congress decides what to do with those topics, we will respond accordingly.
00:03:25 But nothing has changed in the way the U.S. views the relationship with Taiwan.
00:03:29 It will defend Taiwan, as has been historically.
00:03:31 U.S. policy on the issue of Taiwan is unchanged as of today and as of the meeting that we had here today.
00:03:37 It was raised. They always raise it on their side. We always make clear our position and we move on to the other topics.
00:03:43 We know where they stand. I think they know where we stand for the other topics. We know where they stand. I think they know where we stand.
00:03:48 Do you think China wants to invade Taiwan? Well, I think China's preference is probably to have Taiwan willingly voluntarily join them in a perfect world.
00:03:56 What they would want is some vote or a referendum in Taiwan that agrees to fold in. I think that's what they would prefer.
00:04:02 Ultimately, it's featured prominently in President Xi's mandate in the time he's been in office.
00:04:08 He's made clear that what they call reunification, that's what they call it, is something that has to happen at some point.
00:04:14 We think it would be a terrible mistake to force that through force or anything of that nature.
00:04:18 There would be repercussions for that globally, not just from the United States.
00:04:22 And we kind of leave it there.
00:04:23 That sort of ambiguity is what I think has defined the way we characterize this issue.
00:04:28 And the reason being a strategic ambiguity is we don't want to see conflict.
00:04:32 We don't want to see something disruptive happen because I think it would be very disruptive for the world and for both countries.
00:04:37 Honorable President Donald J. Trump, ladies and gentlemen, friends, looking back at the course of China-U.S. relations,
00:04:46 whether or not we could have mutual respect, peaceful coexistence and win-win cooperation is the key to whether the relationship can advance steadily.
00:04:56 The world today is changing and turbulent.
00:05:01 China-U.S. relations concern the well-being of the over 1.7 billion people of both countries
00:05:08 and affect the interests of the over 8 billion people of the world.
00:05:14 Both sides should rise up to this historic responsibility
00:05:18 and steer the giant ship of China-U.S. relations forward, steadily and in the right direction.
00:05:26 The vice premier and I, who have a very good working relationship, I think we've seen each other, this was either our eighth or ninth meeting, worked on the agenda for today's meeting in terms of the economics, the deliverables.
00:05:40 And so we talked about purchases, we talked about some issues that the Chinese side had,
00:05:48 and we're going to talk about forming a board of trade for the bilateral trade between the U.S. and China,
00:05:58 and we're going to talk about a board of investment that will be responsible for investment in non-sensitive areas.
00:06:06 Now, please join me in a toast to the development and prosperity of China and the United States and the well-being of our people, to the bright future of China-U.S. relations and the friendship between the two peoples, and to the health of President Trump and all the friends present. Cheers.
00:06:27 Can be.
00:06:28 Cheers.
00:06:29 I know you're watching China. You don't think they're ramping up their military to do something in Taiwan. Well, I think they're ramping up their military in general. I mean, I mean, the pace of growth in the Chinese military over the last 10 years has no precedent. None. I mean, just what they've done with their Navy alone over the last they put billions and billions and billions of dollars in their system. So it's, you know, you look at it and it's hard to ignore how fast and how big. So I don't think it's just limited to Taiwan. I think they have ambitions to ultimately be able to project power
00:06:59 globally the way the U.S. does now they're not they're still behind us in that regard but there's
00:07:04 nonetheless they are investing a lot of money they are right now the world's second most powerful
00:07:08 military without a doubt. Thank you again President Xi for this beautiful welcome and
00:07:14 tonight it is my honor to extend an invitation to you and Madam Peng to visit us at the White House
00:07:22 This is September 24th, and we look forward to it, raise it last, and propose a toast to the rich and enduring ties between the American and Chinese people.
00:07:33 It's a very special relationship, and I want to thank you again. This has been an amazing period of time. Thank you, President Xi.
00:07:52 提出邀请于9月24号
00:07:56 邀请你们出访白宫
00:07:58 那我也希望针对
00:08:01 美国人民和中国人民之间
00:08:03 深厚的以及持久的友谊
00:08:06 我提议我们进行举杯
00:08:08 那么我们这两国关系
00:08:11 是非常独特的一项关系
00:08:13 感谢
00:08:22 The whole world is watching our meeting.
00:08:46 Currently, transformation not seen in a century is accelerating across the globe,
00:08:52 and the international situation is fluid and turbulent.
00:08:56 The world has come to a new crossroads.
00:08:59 Can China and the United States overcome the Thucydides trap and create a new paradigm
00:09:08 of major country relations?
00:09:12 Can we meet global challenges together and provide more stability for the world?
00:09:22 Can we, in the interests of the well-being of our two peoples and the future of humanity,
00:09:27 build a brighter future together for our bilateral relations?
00:09:33 These are the questions vital to history, to the world, and to the people.
00:09:40 They are the questions of our times that you and I need to answer as leaders of major countries.
00:09:48 seeing some reports now coming out from the Chinese side, one of the spokesmen, spokeswomen
00:09:54 actually for the Chinese party, making reference to something called the Thucydides trap and saying
00:10:01 that Xi Jinping spoke with President Trump about the potential of avoiding the Thucydides trap.
00:10:07 And this, of course, is a reference to the Peloponnesian Wars, wherein the ruling state
00:10:12 of sparta was challenged by the rising state of athens and the idea that this is a cycle that
00:10:19 goes on throughout geopolitics where the current superpower will always be challenged militarily
00:10:25 and then it will end into a war with the rising power this of course being something that a lot
00:10:30 of people have used to describe china and the united states over the years very interesting
00:10:35 and striking to hear that type of language from Xi Jinping's side.
00:10:41 Okay, Thursday, 14 May, Year of Our Lord, 2026.
00:10:45 I want to thank Real America's Voice,
00:10:47 everybody that made last night's live coverage possible,
00:10:50 the entire team here at the War Room,
00:10:52 and RAV, the folks out in Denver.
00:10:53 Great job, magnificent, and, of course, all of our analysts.
00:10:58 I want to get to Jack Posovic.
00:11:02 Let's go to the signal, not the noise.
00:11:05 Jack, we have taught, as you know, in fact, you were the first guest we had back, I think it was January 20th of 2020 when we shifted the show to become War Room Pandemic.
00:11:19 We're still doing War Room Impeachment.
00:11:20 We took an hour in the morning, in fact, the 11 to 12 hour, I think, initially.
00:11:24 You were the very first guest.
00:11:27 The reason is because of your deep understanding as a naval intelligence officer about the Chinese and your ability to both understand and speak Mandarin.
00:11:37 And you ended it by saying, I asked you, I said, does this issue with the pandemic mean that Xi may have lost the mandate of heaven?
00:11:47 And you went in and talked a lot about what that means.
00:11:50 This concept of the Thucydides trap, which is among people who are China hands or follow this, this is from Graham Allison and Dr. Henry Kissinger, this construct that they really had and they started about the Soviet Union in the United States in the 60s and the 70s. 0.51
00:12:10 but they transplanted that framing to actually the United States and China now,
00:12:17 is for Xi to say that, and remember, those were his opening remarks.
00:12:21 That's not the remarks later at the dinner and the toast and all that.
00:12:25 To mention Thucydides' trap in the opening couple of minutes
00:12:29 is about as in your grill as you can get,
00:12:33 because people say this about the rising power and the existing power,
00:12:36 but really the implication and even what kissinger's theory was back in the 60s and 70s
00:12:41 it's the rising power versus the declining power the power that was the uh that was the hegemon
00:12:50 that is now declining jack basoba give me a minute or so on that we're going to go to break keep you
00:12:54 around for this morning yeah steve and and you could see that's that's my real reaction on that
00:13:00 clip you just played last night on fox when i was getting the readout from um from beijing where
00:13:08 hearing that xi jinping the chairman the state chairman of the chinese communist party brought
00:13:15 up the thucydides trap in the presence of donald trump the president united states or any president
00:13:21 of the united states and did so as his top line remark pairing it with taiwan saying very bluntly
00:13:29 that Taiwan will be ours one way or the other, the easy way or the hard way, and that we would
00:13:35 like to we would prefer to avoid the Thucydides trap. He's referring to the United States 0.96
00:13:42 as the fading hegemon and China as the rising power. Now, typically, Steve, this isn't the
00:13:50 first time, by the way, that you've seen Chinese diplomats do that, particularly since COVID,
00:13:54 since back when, you're right, when I was the first guest on War Room Pandemic in the opening
00:13:59 days of COVID-19, you saw lower level functionaries or party outlets like People's Daily would use
00:14:06 this type of language. They called it wolf warrior diplomacy. And they started to become more and
00:14:12 more aggressive towards the United States and towards farm powers in general. But to see the
00:14:18 state leader of china do that with the president of the united states in the room is it's just 1.00
00:14:26 something that i never thought would happen typically the chinese again they were the 0.68
00:14:30 technocratic leaders hu jintao jang zemin xi jinping is someone very very different okay
00:14:37 we got captain finnell we got captain finnell and uh jack basoba two naval intelligence officers
00:14:42 if we're going to get into all of this because Marco Rubio's response to NBC News strains
00:14:49 credulity. Oh, they mentioned it in passing and then we kind of moved on to other topics.
00:14:54 Ain't buying that, brother. Not a chance. Short break.
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00:16:40 So make sure we heard Thucydides Trap. In the opening minutes, when President Trump's sitting
00:16:45 there, in the opening minutes to bring up Thucydides Trap, because it is about a declining
00:16:52 power in a rising power graham allison actually came to the breitbart embassy uh i think in 18
00:17:00 maybe 19 and we had a lunch and then we had uh we met for several hours and i went through the
00:17:06 book the book is called if you haven't read it destined for war is where they put the the book
00:17:12 up finnell and and and um finnell particularly remember this jack he's a little older than you
00:17:19 still a kid to me but when i took the course i didn't have time to go to the naval war college
00:17:23 i went back to the pentagon to work as an aide to the cno so i took the correspondence course
00:17:28 i knew we were gonna have a shot so i took the correspondence courses of the naval war college
00:17:32 and um uh when i was at sea and the first the first thing you get is the peloponnesian war
00:17:38 and i go you know this is interesting i love history i love reading facilities all great
00:17:43 but you know we're in the 20th century and we got you know the russians all the what are we doing
00:17:48 here and they said no no you don't understand this is about a rising power and about a declining
00:17:53 power it's about sea power versus land power i go okay i got it back in those days and this draws
00:18:00 directly to today henry kissinger at harvard and graham allison were the two two of the big
00:18:06 nuclear strategists right with herman kahn and other guys that he was separate but and they had
00:18:11 a theory at the time the theory was the america united states of america was a declining power
00:18:16 the uh the soviet union was the ascendant power and we had to accommodate we had to do
00:18:23 uh all kind of treaties with them we needed detente uh we needed arms limitations that whole
00:18:31 construct was based around this theory that they're the right they have a command economy
00:18:35 they got all this military and there was one guy out there one guy one and it starts with one
00:18:41 one guy that said you know i don't know if i buy that um and that guy was president ron reagan
00:18:49 they set up a b team and i remember they did an analysis when president reagan um because he said
00:18:54 they're an evil empire when president reagan came into the be the commander in chief and beat carter
00:18:58 who was kind of you know all these guys were all captured by that construct that we were declining
00:19:04 power they did an analysis this is what they did an analysis think bill casey when he took over the
00:19:10 CIA did an analysis, and they came back and they said, you know, we made some miscalculations back
00:19:16 in the 50s and 60s, and the CIA has just been extrapolating those basic mistakes. And it turns
00:19:23 out their command economy, it's actually not as powerful as we think. And Ray, what do you mean
00:19:29 by that? Well, it's actually, you know, we kind of went off the bad assumption, and we just kind
00:19:33 of kept the math going, and, you know, it's not nearly as bigger. And they go, what do you talk
00:19:37 about and so they finally gave it to reagan and he looks at the economy he says well how big is
00:19:42 this economy and he they gave him a number and he says that's smaller than california i was governor
00:19:47 of a place that had a bigger economy than the soviet union how big can these guys how tough
00:19:52 can they be we're going to build a 600 ship navy i'm going to hammer down on we're going to rebuild
00:19:57 the military we're going to do star wars our technology our technology is greater than theirs
00:20:02 we will bury these guys and we won't have to fire a shot maybe some marginal you know conflicts on
00:20:08 the side but we're going to bury we're going to destroy the the evil empire this is why when you
00:20:12 go back to the KGB files they said the most and Kissinger was saying the most dangerous man in the
00:20:18 United States was Ronald Reagan why was that Reagan did not go along with what the conventional
00:20:24 wisdom was and that conventional wisdom was a couple of professors at Harvard Henry Kissinger
00:20:29 and graham allison all they've done is take the exact thing they were dead wrong on in the 1970s
00:20:39 and led us to all those arms control agreements and all that crap they the same guys just took
00:20:45 that template and put it in the city's trap today and so i asked graham allison i said hey brother
00:20:50 you have 16 times in world history this has happened a declining power and a or a hegemon
00:20:55 that's declining or has peaked versus ascended power 12 times if they didn't work out their
00:21:00 agreements they've led to these catastrophic wars i said but can you show me one time
00:21:06 where the elites in the declining power made more money and accumulated more wealth
00:21:15 on the way down and the way up he goes what are you talking about i said the business community
00:21:19 now is feasting on china that they're they're one of the biggest problems we've got they don't they
00:21:25 don't care about the chinese communist party uh and all this whining about what the persians do 0.77
00:21:30 to what the mullahs do to their people that is nothing that pales in comparison it's not one 0.88
00:21:34 100th anybody belly aching oh this is so terrible the mullahs doing the persian people it's one 0.72
00:21:39 thousandth what these murderers have done to the chinese people hell they've got 450 forced 0.88
00:21:47 abortions 80 percent of little girls see those kids jumping around last night on command by the 0.99
00:21:53 way that the future red guard and or harvard class of 2040 take your pick maybe both right 0.70
00:22:01 little automatons that boom you know jump up and down wave the flag cheer this is this and by the 0.72
00:22:09 450 80 little girls they have murdered i think what 250 million we can count lao baijing they've 0.68
00:22:17 murdered between fourth collectivization the cultural revolution the great leap forward 0.85
00:22:22 this is a murderous dictatorship every bit as bad as the nazis and anybody in business with 0.88
00:22:28 them are equivalent to financing hitler full stop they are a hundred times a thousand times worse 0.98
00:22:36 than the mullahs in tehran and the mullahs are pretty damn bad and this thing and graham allison 0.98
00:22:43 and said, what are you, I said, bro, you're putting this thing out as like, and everybody's
00:22:48 going to fall into it. And they did. And she and these guys love it. And don't forget the love tap
00:22:54 they gave us right before that. We're celebrating our 5,000th year of civilization, underlying
00:23:02 civilization. Oh, and happy birthday on your 250. Hope it works out for you. Jack Posobiec,
00:23:09 your thoughts, sir. You know, Steve, there's there's a lot here, but I think it needs to just
00:23:17 be stated over and over that this was remarkably blunt from the head of the country, the head of
00:23:26 China meeting with President Trump. And we were told that this was going to be a friendly meeting.
00:23:30 And certainly they showed the warm embrace, the public pageantry. But you're right. The jibes
00:23:35 like 250 versus 5,000, which of course isn't true. The Chinese Communist Party has only been there
00:23:40 since 1949, the PRC, and other points that's immaterial. To the point is the way that they
00:23:47 spoke to the president of the United States and the way they talked about Taiwan in particular,
00:23:51 not as an agenda item, not as something that was down the list and they mentioned it and move on.
00:23:57 No. He said, number one, this is our top issue. So Steve, let me be blunt. I will go back to my
00:24:05 original conversation with you, my very first interview on war room, when I said that she
00:24:10 needs to describe COVID-19 as a demon from hell, because he is fighting that demon to prevent him
00:24:18 from losing the mandate of heaven. Steve, what is another way to show that you have the mandate of
00:24:24 heaven? The reclamation of lost territory, the reclamation of lost territory for the empire,
00:24:33 the reuniting of lost territory now we we talked by the way this is a huge driver for putin when
00:24:39 it comes to ukraine and not just the uh the four oblasts that were um that were annexed but also
00:24:47 all the way up through odessa they view odessa as the city of katherine the great taiwan is viewed
00:24:52 by china as theirs they view and and i'm not going to get into the situation i sat down with the
00:24:56 taiwan ambassador yesterday i'm talking about the view from the chinese side from the ccp side they
00:25:02 view it as theirs, and they view it as a lingering piece of unfinished business from the Chinese
00:25:08 Civil War and the Communist Revolution. That's what this is about, Steve. And Chairman Mao,
00:25:14 famously, and I just keep thinking about this line, one of Chairman Mao's famous lines,
00:25:21 this is a revolution, not a dinner party.
00:25:28 amen fabulous captain for now we got a couple minutes before you go to break uh your thoughts
00:25:34 sir well i think you guys are on it i think uh what does he did and the fact that he used this
00:25:41 uh you know the the book that you put up from allison was written in 2015 so for the last 11
00:25:46 years american china hands academics have been pushing this thesis that oh this is going to end
00:25:53 up in a conflict. So we, United States, have to, as you said, accommodate, appease, make treaties,
00:25:59 have people-to-people engagements, government-to-government engagements. And that's what
00:26:03 we have done in our governments until the Trump administrations. And now we come into this event
00:26:09 and Xi tells Trump, hey, Taiwan is our core denominator between the two countries. That's
00:26:14 important. And he said that, yeah, he said it was a common denominator. And he said that if we
00:26:20 handle this properly, we'll have a great relationship. And then he said, otherwise,
00:26:24 the two countries will have clashes and even conflicts, putting the entire relationship in
00:26:28 great jeopardy. That's an open threat. So the use of the Thucydides trap vernacular,
00:26:34 then this outright threat that if you don't do it our way, we're going to have a problem,
00:26:39 we're going to have a clash. That's a threat of war. And so I think it's very, very telling to
00:26:44 Americans to really understand that this isn't just some kind of diplomatic rhetoric. This is
00:26:49 a declaration from g in the media in the media the major media too dumb to even pick up on it i bet 0.87
00:26:55 you i'll guarantee you virtually none of them knew what the city strap was right there's something
00:27:01 jack and i and you we've talked about this for years talk to people about the book also remember
00:27:06 go to break it failed the first time they sold it they didn't sell it for china graham allison
00:27:15 and Henry Kissinger, this is how Kissinger became the great strategic thinker that Nixon needed.
00:27:21 They sold this. This is why we went through years of kissing the ass of the Soviet Union 0.99
00:27:26 before a guy named Ronald Reagan showed up and said, you know what? How about this? We win, 0.99
00:27:32 they lose. That famous scene when he was interviewing his future national security
00:27:39 advisor, Richard V. Allen. I'll tell the story on the other side. This failed the first time.
00:27:45 It took Reagan to sit there and look and said, no way, they're an evil empire.
00:27:48 We're going to take them down.
00:27:49 And here's how we're going to take them down.
00:27:52 President Trump, in the first administration, he's the only president ever to confront these guys. 1.00
00:27:57 The Chinese like to be subtle. 1.00
00:28:01 That was, if you're a China hand and you follow this, this was as in your grill as you could possibly get. 1.00
00:28:07 They threatened us. 0.91
00:28:08 They threatened us and they threatened the commander in chief of the United States in the opening couple of minutes of the meeting yesterday.
00:28:16 And no, Marco Rubio ain't buying.
00:28:19 Oh, yeah, they talked about time while we just moved on.
00:28:21 They moved on to, you know, the Board of Trade.
00:28:24 Screw the Board of Trade and screw the Board of Investments.
00:28:27 Short break.
00:28:28 Back in a moment.
00:28:31 The dollar's convertibility into gold ended in 1971.
00:28:35 Gold was fixed at $35 an ounce.
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00:30:00 Okay, we have Captain James Fennell and Jack with several of the, I think,
00:30:04 smartest people in this area.
00:30:06 and uh i know them all so these are two of the best and uh have uh i've been very given very 0.99
00:30:14 blunt advice i want to go back because i want to make sure the chinese do think in long periods of
00:30:19 time jack the one thing i do disagree with you they about them running it for 100 years i got it
00:30:24 but they're just another they think they're in the line of succession of the of the emperors in fact
00:30:29 there's that one emperor that she you know believes he is uh for now no no we said no no
00:30:35 we say that in the china files we said he is the red emperor yes so so but they think in long
00:30:41 periods of time and that's why the love tap they gave us you know we're kind of commemorating our
00:30:46 5 000 years of civilization dynasty mal never established a dynasty his son of course died in
00:30:53 the korean war uh taiwan wasn't set up mal actually was a communist um but was she this
00:31:00 this is about dynasty building after after mal sent his son up to korea to die in the korean war
00:31:06 i might know i might give a footnote to um they've tried this before they think in long periods of
00:31:13 time and of course we think about the last news conference uh and so the united states particularly
00:31:18 our elites don't particularly understand history enough to look and they used to in the revolutionary
00:31:25 generation we've lost that and you can see this kowtowing all these business leaders
00:31:29 going over to kowtow to send to bring tribute as supplicants to she they're they're a huge part of
00:31:36 the problem when president reagan took over the one thing he didn't want to do you guys will
00:31:41 remember the audience if i can go ahead if i can and and the business leaders were the first ones
00:31:46 out of the room the bit that this this happened we're watching on twitter and everything last
00:31:51 throughout the money changers he threw out the money changers because business guys in chinese
00:31:56 society don't mean anything they're just merchants right these guys are about you're just you're just
00:32:00 the merchants you're the mercantilist so we're watching to see what happens with the readout and
00:32:05 you know what's going on behind that you know the central great hall of people and and who do we see
00:32:10 walk out it's it's all the ceos they're the first to leave elon must he throw them out this is what
00:32:16 when when the british ambassador came to the emperor about all the goods they wanted to do
00:32:21 and having all types of trade and everything like that they said hang on we're gonna think about it
00:32:26 Let's see what you got, et cetera.
00:32:27 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:32:28 And they had to wait like 90 days.
00:32:30 In fact, the ambassador got a notice.
00:32:32 It is the Qing Emperor.
00:32:33 Nothing's happened. 0.97
00:32:34 You have to come back.
00:32:35 You can't stay there forever.
00:32:37 And he put them and says, hey, you got to give us an answer.
00:32:39 And they said, OK, upon further review, we've looked at everything you've got.
00:32:43 We don't want any of it. 0.99
00:32:44 OK, we think it's all mediocre crap. 0.99
00:32:46 We don't need it. 1.00
00:32:47 We're China.
00:32:48 We're the Middle Kingdom. 0.99
00:32:49 Get the hell out of here.
00:32:50 And that's when, of course, the British and the British East India Company said, let's go to Plan B.
00:32:55 let's give them something that people are going to want opium okay that was the beginning of the
00:33:00 that's the way the brits rolled but hey i want to go back to the point there was it was driven by
00:33:06 mercantile policy it was driven by the merchants it was not driven by power by state interest it
00:33:12 was driven by economic mercantile interest and that is the the single biggest issue in our china
00:33:20 policy and has always been our biggest issue in china policy because it's all about oh can we
00:33:25 open it up and can we sell widgets to the 1.5 1.6 billion in china and it never works even after
00:33:31 we got the treaty ports we i say the west got the treaty ports in the opium wars they still didn't
00:33:36 fully open up the interior of china so the best that they were able to come up with along the way 0.82
00:33:42 was this system of globalization whereby and we're exploiting the slave labor of the lao baijing and 0.82
00:33:47 our one percent is getting rich their one percent is getting rich but everybody else is getting
00:33:50 screwed it's always the merchants always so when they ran this they ran this playbook kissender and
00:33:57 these guys ran this playbook the first time the united states and nixon nixon's part of it all of
00:34:02 them kowtow to him the democrats worse than than the nixon every kowtow to him we got to have
00:34:06 treaties and detente we got to do all this instead of dealing with the simple thing that they were
00:34:11 doing was vietnam you know squeeze them on that didn't do that let kids die in vietnam as we as 0.58
00:34:16 we went along this path that they're the rising power. We're the declining power. Finally,
00:34:21 Reagan comes up and he says, the one thing I don't want is no Kissingers. We're not going to 1.00
00:34:25 have any Kissingers or any Zigbee Brzezinski's. I don't need any grand strategists with a foreign 1.00
00:34:29 accent. Okay. I can't stand that. We're not going to do that. And so he, and they were looking at 1.00
00:34:35 people who weren't household names are going to be big media stars. And Richard V. Allen was the
00:34:39 guy. And they told me before they go in, they said, whatever you do, don't use the phrase
00:34:43 geopolitics just stick to the basics okay so this guy's so nervous and he goes in there and he's
00:34:50 babbling right he's babbling because you understand this is my interview i'm gonna get the biggest job
00:34:54 i could ever get in my entire life national security advisor to replace brzezinski and
00:34:59 kissinger for ronald reagan he gets so nervous and he catches himself saying geopolitics and he says
00:35:06 i gotta shut up he shuts up he says mr president-elect i apologize i'm very nervous i'm talking
00:35:11 too much. Really, what is your strategy? I'm here to serve you. What is your strategy? He goes,
00:35:17 Dick, how about this? We win, they lose. That cut through everything. That changed everything.
00:35:24 We were not a declining power. Bill Casey came back and said, the CIA has blown the assessment
00:35:30 of the economies. Their command structure economy is failing. Their military is all made with junk.
00:35:35 Okay, they got strong military and very brave people, right? The Red Army. But Captain Fennell, 0.99
00:35:41 that's what it took to break this trap we have been set in by the intellectuals in the country
00:35:48 of how we had to think of the soviet union president reagan said hey what about this
00:35:53 you're an evil empire you're an evil empire and we're going to do everything we can and we must
00:36:00 to bring you to your knees and they destroyed it what 10 years later it was destroyed the same 0.98
00:36:06 thing has happened here we've been set up and you're right the mercantile they're a mercantilist
00:36:12 power this is they're not a free market but the lords of easy money the corporate the geo the
00:36:18 the corporate uh the globalist corporate the corporate leaders and the tech bros elon musk
00:36:23 and these crowd who would all sell out and have they have sold out the united states every day
00:36:28 of the week they're the ones over there as the supplicants captain finnell your thoughts
00:36:33 Yeah, I agree. And I think that the story about what Ronald Reagan said, we win, you die, is it transformed the relationship with the Soviet Union and brought them down. And I think President Trump in his own way is actually doing the same thing. 0.68
00:36:49 Two days ago when we were on here talking about the visit coming up and Sam Faddis is on and we were saying that the president shouldn't go in as a supplicant.
00:36:59 And I think so far from what I've seen from the president's statements and from Secretary of State Rubio's statements, we're not acting as supplicants and Secretary of Treasury Besson's as well.
00:37:09 I would like to point out one other thing. You know, Xi, we pointed out, came in with this very tough language, this Thucydides trap threat, the actual open threat of using conflict if we don't get the Taiwan problem straight.
00:37:23 The Chinese are very subtle, too. They use another soft sell. And they did this, hey, you know, our 15th five-year plan is just like your 250th anniversary. 0.95
00:37:32 They did another thing that people aren't talking about. Xi yesterday said the great rejuvenation of China and the Make America Great Again agenda can go hand in hand. We can help each other succeed and advance the well-being of the whole world.
00:37:48 So they're going to play that card as well, which is to say, hey, we're just the same.
00:37:53 We're just equals.
00:37:54 And so I think we're kind of saying we'd like to see a Reagan-esque approach, which is to
00:37:59 say, hey, no, you're evil and we have nothing in common.
00:38:02 I think what President Trump does is he's more like Machiavelli.
00:38:06 He's going to go and meet with you and have dinner with you and say nice things about
00:38:09 you.
00:38:10 But then he's going to take your oil from Venezuela.
00:38:12 He's going to take your oil from the Strait of Hormuz.
00:38:14 He's going to put tariffs on you.
00:38:16 He's going to sign you up to a board of investment and we're going to play around with low end stuff and we're going to do to them what they've been doing to us economically for 40 plus years.
00:38:26 And so I know it's really hard right now. A lot of us don't like engagement.
00:38:30 I wrote a book with Brad Thayer saying engagement with communist China was our greatest strategic failure. 0.55
00:38:35 I don't like it because when senior leaders like the president go over there, then the rest of our government starts to engage. 0.75
00:38:42 And we're already seeing, you know, reports from different departments about this event and that event.
00:38:48 And we're going over. So I hope the president, you know, I'm trusting the president will hold the line tomorrow when he goes and speaks with Xi and Zhang and I.
00:38:57 They're CCP's compound there in Beijing. And they'll have this one on one talks.
00:39:02 I'm confident President Trump's not going to get bamboozled or buffaloed or sell America out.
00:39:07 But I do worry about the whole of government approach. And we got to make sure that we don't allow our government to do what we did in all those last 40 years where Republicans and Democrats appeased and tried to make nice and do people of people exchanges and mill to mill exchanges with the PRC thinking that they're going to change their spots.
00:39:28 They're not. They don't like us. They want to destroy us. They want to globally project power.
00:39:33 They want to take Taiwan. They prefer not to use force, but they're ready to use it. 0.95
00:39:38 And their sophistries by saying that MAGA is the same as, you know, the great rejuvenation of China are not moral equivalents in any way, shape or form.
00:39:47 just as the 15th five-year communist economic plan has nothing in common with 250 years of
00:39:53 freedom and liberty that we're going to celebrate this year based upon our declaration and our
00:39:59 constitution and what we demonstrated to the world about putting faith and trust in individual
00:40:05 liberty and the ability to allow people to live freely as opposed to living collectively in a
00:40:11 prison system. Jack, build on that for a second, particularly about the importance of reunification
00:40:18 of their territory. When they talk about his rejuvenation plan, which is essentially make
00:40:25 China great again, this is what Xi has been pushing forever. How central to them is the
00:40:32 concept of reunification of their territory? Well, Steve, I always try to explain it to
00:40:39 americans like this it's it's you know we look at as perspective from the history taiwan being
00:40:45 the democracy china of course being the communist authoritarian power and we say well of course we
00:40:50 side with the you know western style democracy there on the island taiwan but the way i always
00:40:56 try to explain it is imagine if it were a country like i don't know like like say it was texas say
00:41:02 texas had been had broken away from the united states and had been separated for a long time
00:41:10 and there were foreign powers that were meddling to keep texas out of the united states there would
00:41:16 be a lot of people who would look at that and say you know what we need texas back into the fold and
00:41:22 and i just mean obviously that you know the like most analogies doesn't always it doesn't fit one
00:41:26 to one. But the point is, they view it as a sign of weakness that Taiwan is still separate from
00:41:33 them. They view it as unfinished business. They look at it and say that is unacceptable. And the
00:41:39 only reason they couldn't do it, by the way, was because 1950, the Soviets said, no, you can't get
00:41:44 Taiwan. You can't go after Chiang Kai-shek after he looted the Treasury in Beijing and head on down
00:41:50 to Taipei, you've got to go and fight the Americans up in Korea and do that instead,
00:41:57 because that was also 1950, the outbreak of the war there. And so that's the reason. Plus, 0.70
00:42:01 China didn't have any Navy to speak of back then. So that's the reason that Taiwan was basically
00:42:06 able to get away with it. Truman parks a couple of aircraft carriers in the strait, and that's 0.56
00:42:12 really what set off the current situation. And so they view it as not that it's essential in terms
00:42:18 of their overall rise though of course obviously they would they do want the chips but they view
00:42:22 it as a sign of weakness that they aren't able to reclaim that territory and if she is able to do so
00:42:28 then his power his influence his rule over china will be complete i just want to mention by the
00:42:37 way uh sam i mean captain finnell and uh jack are in a hole with us for the last block uh we're
00:42:44 and go into this a little bit more.
00:42:47 The power that Xi has, though, he's, I think since Mao,
00:42:52 and I'm not even sure Mao had it, he's chairman of the Communist Party,
00:42:56 he's the head of state, he's also the head of the military.
00:42:59 I don't think technically, Captain Fennell, we got 30 seconds,
00:43:02 I don't think technically, was Mao ever head of the PLA as Xi is?
00:43:06 I think he was symbolically, but Xi actually has all three power positions
00:43:11 in the Chinese entity, correct?
00:43:14 Yes, Xi has all of them. Mao had them as well. Even Jiang Zemin had them, and he didn't give them up to Hu Jintao. So they do play around with that. But Xi has consolidated all the power, and he's obviously broken their constitution, which was supposedly you only get two five-year terms. He's now into his third five-year term.
00:43:35 And so he is emperor for life in his mind, and he has made no indication of a successor.
00:43:41 So that's, I think Jack said it earlier, this is an empire.
00:43:44 It's not a communist party that has normal rule of order.
00:43:48 Hang on for a second.
00:43:49 Captain Fennell, Jack Posobiec on the other side.
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00:45:53 Okay, we are going to be live again tonight at 10 o'clock.
00:45:56 Captain Fennell, give us your thoughts about day one and looking forward.
00:46:01 Now, day two is going to be different.
00:46:03 They're not going to be in the Great Hall.
00:46:04 They're going to go to the compound that essentially, I guess, Mao set up where all the senior leaders of the Chinese Communist Party essentially live, right?
00:46:12 It's their, like, exclusive area.
00:46:15 Your thoughts, sir?
00:46:18 Yeah, Zhong and Hai is the exclusive compound of the Chinese Communist Party.
00:46:22 and it'll be one-on-one talks. It's traditional, and this is how other paramount leaders of China
00:46:27 have operated with American leaders. I expected from today and what I saw today was what we had
00:46:33 hoped for, which is a president that was, you know, polite, diplomatic, but Secretary of State
00:46:39 Rubio's statement about there's been no change to the Taiwan policy is refreshing for me to hear,
00:46:45 and he said it was unlikely that that policy would be changed. So I think while they probably
00:46:51 brought it up much more than he indicated, and they'll probably bring it up again tomorrow.
00:46:55 I don't see us caving in on that. So I'm very encouraged by that. The president, as we said
00:47:00 a couple of days ago, he is in the power position. He controls the world's oil today, energy supply,
00:47:06 and that's something of very great importance to China. They want foreign direct investment.
00:47:12 President Trump brought all the capability to bring foreign direct investment to China,
00:47:16 but they're going to have to give up something to get that. And so I think the president
00:47:20 is playing them very well. And we'll just have to see how the results come out tomorrow and
00:47:25 the statements that are made. But we have to make sure that we don't forget that Xi thinks he's in
00:47:30 a position of power. And I think that's also part of this is that we're demonstrating to him
00:47:34 that maybe his power isn't as strong as he thinks. And so if we do that, that'll put Xi under even
00:47:40 greater pressure as he comes out of this meeting, dealing with his own fractures inside the
00:47:44 Communist Party. And so I'm actually pretty encouraged by what I saw today. And we just
00:47:50 got to hold the line and not compromise with them. Great. Jack, Secretary Rubio mentioned
00:47:57 strategic ambiguity. Explain that to the audience. And why does Rubio think it's important? And do
00:48:04 you think it's important? Well, Steve, strategic ambiguity refers to the longstanding policy of
00:48:10 the U.S. vis-a-vis Taiwan. Do we recognize them? Do we not recognize them? Will we help them in a
00:48:16 time of war? Will we not help them? Will we stand by and let China subsume the island?
00:48:21 This has always been sort of the U.S. policy since the 1970s. Remember, this was a secret 0.53
00:48:25 document back in 1971, originally governing it. And then eventually Carter switched the
00:48:32 recognition of the U.S. government to the People's Republic of China rather than the Republic of
00:48:39 China, which, of course, worked in turn to set a chain of events in motion, which gave China the
00:48:45 control of that seat at the United Nations, which gave the Chinese communists control of the seat. 0.54
00:48:51 These things never should have been done. China never should have been allowed into the World 0.99
00:48:55 Trade Organization. They should be removed from this. They should be stripped of their most 0.99
00:48:58 favored nation status. President Trump's tariffs are 100 percent correct. Dr. Navarro is 100 percent
00:49:03 correct on what we need to do to constrain and quell the dragon. And Steve, ultimately,
00:49:10 it isn't national security. That's a question here. The national security side, people understand
00:49:15 completely what's going on. The issue is the mercantilists. The issue is the merchants.
00:49:21 The merchants get in there and they say, we need to have this investment. We need these. Why do we
00:49:25 need them? Why do we need Chinese buying up all of our farmland? Why do we need them buying up 1.00
00:49:30 all of these single family homes so they can park their investments and park their cash in there 1.00
00:49:34 because Chinese banks suck. Why do we need all of these Chinese students at the universities? 1.00
00:49:39 They should be deported. Their visas should be stripped. There's no question that. And by the 1.00
00:49:43 way, it could be done. It could be done because of the threat that Xi Jinping just gave to President
00:49:52 Trump in the room. You don't threaten the president of the United States when you come in for a
00:49:57 meeting like that when he flies all the way over there with the delegation you don't make threats
00:50:01 you don't call us the fading power of the sooth cities trap no no you don't treat a president
00:50:07 like that honestly if and this is just me but honestly if i were president trump i'd get i'd
00:50:12 get in the plane and take off or what i would do is at least take a uh carrier strike group and
00:50:19 let's sail it today through the uh through the straits of taiwan entire seven call up to seventh
00:50:24 fleet and put them in a straight put them in the straight and let's get some fire control solution
00:50:28 let's just start getting the radars going and getting some fire control solutions on people
00:50:31 the only thing they understand their aircraft carriers are force yes the only thing they
00:50:36 understand is force jack jack where can people get you uh you're going to be doing a lot of
00:50:41 commentary tonight we're going to try to track you down understand it's jack jack's birthday so
00:50:45 you're going to be occupied it is it is uh he's uh he's turn turn it turn not not not only is he
00:50:50 turn in eight steve but more importantly than that uh this weekend is going to be my my eldest
00:50:55 son's first holy communion and so a lot of people said jack why aren't you on the china trip and i
00:51:00 said i got a couple a couple things that are more important and and uh first communion is definitely
00:51:04 one of those but we'll be up uh we'll be up at jack posovic human events daily apple spotify and
00:51:10 and yes as you say i got a lot of interviews lined up so i don't want to give i guess you'll
00:51:16 play it on uh human events daily but jack so it's a war and posse understand jack's been on for
00:51:21 six years now uh and basically he and captain finnell and dr thayer and sam fattis our entire
00:51:27 and the new federal state of china that people you know getting information out there so everything
00:51:32 you saw the last couple days nothing shocking but last night on fox jack was trying to explain this
00:51:38 that is lucidity's trapped if people had never heard of it in their life and somebody goes gee
00:51:44 whiz that's such a great history lesson it was it was very endearing but it also showed come on it 0.98
00:51:50 was a fun moment it was a fun moment fox news tv for stupid people uh jack basobic thank you so 0.80
00:51:56 much for coming on captain finnell thank you so much for coming on appreciate both you guys two 0.98
00:52:01 warriors captain james finnell had the courage to stand up what 16 years ago and say that people
00:52:13 were trying to avoid trying to divert their gaze from the rise of the Chinese Navy, the money they
00:52:18 were putting in. He was a hero. Gave up his career to do that, to warn the American people what was
00:52:23 going on. That's what we need to do now. President Trump, James Fennell saying Machiavelli because
00:52:33 he's run the tables on Venezuela and on at least the control of the oil coming out of Iran. The
00:52:41 Iran foreign minister is in India, another one of America's greatest allies, India, talking right
00:52:48 now. I think they have actually put forward that, hey, you know, we heard what's going on in Beijing.
00:52:54 The strait is going to be open. It's going to be under our control, but we'll open it. I don't know
00:52:59 if that's going to work. I don't think that's going to work. Anyway, we're going to take a short
00:53:04 commercial break. Get ready for the second hour. We're going to break this all down, particularly
00:53:10 some of the what we call the merchants you see how she dismissed those guys five minutes in the
00:53:16 meeting yeah fine it's great good to see you thanks get out of here we're going to talk state
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