Bannon's War Room - Episode 5387： Ebola Outbreak Heading Into Midterms; Indictment Of Raul Castro

00:00:00.000 I'm wondering if you could comment on the decision by the U.S. to impose a travel ban on Uganda, DRC, and South Sudan,

00:00:08.880 and whether you have any advice or recommendations for countries with more direct links to travel links to those countries

00:00:15.960 on whether that would be an appropriate public health measure to take. Thank you.

00:00:21.740 Thank you, Rory. Dr. Mahamud, would you like to start?

00:00:27.940 Thanks for that question.

00:00:30.000 Well, WHO's recommendation for a long time

00:00:32.420 is evidence and science-based and solidarity.

00:00:36.080 For some time, we know what works.

00:00:39.040 What works is contact tracing, monitoring those contract,

00:00:43.720 isolation, and immediate referral. 0.96

00:00:48.000 Give you an example, like Uganda has done

00:00:50.140 an incredible amount of work in tracing all the contacts 0.90

00:00:54.180 and putting them in an institution or home quarantine

00:00:58.020 and monitoring them.

00:00:59.040 So we encourage all contacts and our recommendation, we'll hear from the emergency committee what the recommendations are.

00:01:06.880 All contacts, all cases should not travel.

00:01:10.120 So we would like to all countries and appreciate what they have done so far.

00:01:14.360 That's the first step of defense in terms of a global health security.

00:01:19.220 Second element, countries are doing point of exit screening.

00:01:24.300 Both Uganda and DRC are already doing that.

00:01:26.980 So in support of the activity done by Uganda and DRC and going in this humanitarian conflict area, supporting them is the best medicine for the entire world in support of solidarity of DRC.

00:01:40.720 It's a complex, as DG said, hundreds of thousands displaced population, insecurity, travel restrictions.

00:01:48.240 Countries have suffering.

00:01:49.580 They do their own risk assessment, but they do have to provide to us the justification and the rationale behind their mandates.

00:01:57.840 And we are seeing more and more countries.

00:01:59.340 But currently, our top priority is to work closely with DRC in ensuring all the contacts are traced

00:02:06.600 and all the patients suspected are put in the clinical pathway.

00:02:10.720 in a safe environment and with the best care provided.

00:02:19.720 Thank you very much. Looking if anyone else would like to add something.

00:02:23.720 If not, we will move to one more question from the room.

00:02:28.720 Can I add something?

00:02:30.720 I think it's important to remember and recognize how Ebola is transmitted.

00:02:35.720 It requires direct contact with blood and body fluids of an infected person.

00:02:42.060 So it's not casual contact.

00:02:44.320 It's not airborne.

00:02:46.000 I think we need to be aware of that.

00:02:47.760 And this relates to travel restrictions, which are not supported under the IHR recommendations.

00:02:58.440 And we've heard about contact tracing and quarantine of those.

00:03:05.720 this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on

00:03:15.820 these people here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people have

00:03:22.420 had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do everything

00:03:26.180 the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do people

00:03:29.760 like that go to share the big line? MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people

00:03:37.580 had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save

00:03:45.240 my country, this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. 0.62

00:03:52.740 you're in the war room it's wednesday may 20th in the year of our lord 2026 it's natalie winters

00:04:03.520 hosting here in the war room filling in for stephen k bannon but as always don't go anywhere

00:04:08.900 we have a packed show we're going to talk all things china cuba get into the latest with

00:04:13.780 ai joelle and dr bradley they are going to be our guests but before we get to all of that i know i'm

00:04:20.500 probably triggering you guys, playing some clips from the World Health Organization.

00:04:25.480 I don't know about you guys. Anytime I see footage from the meetings that go down there,

00:04:29.960 wherever they may be convening, I'm always inclined to think of the show The Office, 0.96

00:04:35.000 except instead of being fools, the people are a little more evil, have much more sinister plans 0.99

00:04:40.900 for humanity. And the latest thing that I want to drill into is this Ebola crisis. I don't think 0.99

00:04:48.080 it's raised to a pandemic level, but it's a disease of concern or whatever the euphemistic

00:04:53.720 politically correct term that the WHO uses to describe these emerging diseases nowadays.

00:04:59.780 But I want to hone in on this for a reason, and particularly why the warm audience is always ahead

00:05:05.420 of the curve. I'm sure you guys are familiar with Event 201, the Johns Hopkins collabing with

00:05:12.040 Gates Foundation and all those lovely types to convene essentially a simulation of COVID-19 just

00:05:19.340 weeks before it happened. We're seeing a similar situation here. It's actually an exclusive story

00:05:26.880 that I broke on board not too long ago, but just a few months ago, the World Health Organization

00:05:32.500 in cahoots with some organizations tied to the Gates Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation,

00:05:38.460 the Chan Zuckerberg initiative all the usual cast of characters were actually conducting

00:05:45.600 they called them strategy gains that's another WHO euphemism but these pandemic simulations

00:05:52.400 particularly with Ebola and to make matters even worse some would say more prophetic and

00:06:00.700 more spot-on I would say maybe more calculated it actually took place the hypothetical outbreak

00:06:07.760 in Uganda, which is where we've seen the initial outbreak obviously happen in the Congo, but now

00:06:13.620 spill over into Uganda. Like I said, the simulation took place on February 23rd. We're now just a few

00:06:21.700 months past that. But I want to drill down a bit. Steve wanted me to get into this. So we're going

00:06:26.600 to do this in the A block, and then we'll proceed with the regular show coming into B block. But

00:06:31.680 what they were doing, it was called the 717 strategy. And Denver, if you want to put the

00:06:36.240 Substack article up on screen, you can also flash some of the pictures showing what people were

00:06:41.220 doing. It's a doctrine where they're training health officials, particularly in Africa,

00:06:47.200 these third world countries, a similar mentality to that of how they dealt with COVID-19, the idea

00:06:52.560 of why we should be collaborating with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, but to detect an outbreak

00:06:57.220 within seven days, notify the authorities within one, and then mount a response within seven more

00:07:02.940 of these days. To quote the WHO, this scenario focused on an outbreak of Sudan, Ebola virus

00:07:08.140 disease in Uganda, prompting players to grapple with real-world challenges such as delayed case

00:07:13.000 recognition, reporting breakdowns, and operational constraints. And here's the point why all of this

00:07:19.340 is so absurd and, of course, why President Trump was right to pull out of the World Health

00:07:24.660 Organization. But A, they're never forthright about these strategy pandemic simulations,

00:07:31.000 whatever terminology they want to use whenever these viruses seem to somehow magically materialize

00:07:36.700 overnight, that they have been wargaming and planning to a scary level of detail what the

00:07:43.160 responses are. They never talk about those in the press conferences. They're never forthright with

00:07:47.440 them. The original link on the WHO website that I had reported on was actually taken down detailing

00:07:54.200 this Ebola simulation. It was restored a few weeks after, but under a different link. So something

00:07:59.160 very weird going on there. And the greatest, I think, frustration in all of this and why we know

00:08:03.980 this always boils down not to actual public health prevention matters relating to the safety of the

00:08:10.280 broader populace, but just dealing with control, is because all they do and all they really want

00:08:16.680 to say in that clip is that President Trump America is wrong to be instituting travel bans

00:08:21.920 or travel restrictions. They think that contact tracing is an adequate response to the potential

00:08:27.880 spread of the Ebola virus. Now, I'm not sitting here fearmongering or saying that we're going to

00:08:32.400 face a new Ebola pandemic, but this continued obfuscation and weird, what seems to be symmetry

00:08:39.520 between what these pandemic simulations are and the viruses that start to happen, I think are very

00:08:45.240 curious. I also would caution people, you know, Warren was always ahead of the curve. We focus

00:08:49.940 on the signal, not the noise here, is that this, you know, new resurgence of Ebola that you see the

00:08:56.780 WHO holding these emergency press conferences about. Obviously, you're seeing it a lot in the

00:09:01.660 media. This is happening as we're barreling towards really, really pivotal negotiations

00:09:07.800 to the pandemic treaty that the WHO has obviously been working on for a long time,

00:09:12.880 some of which has been ratified. But there's a specific annex, the pathogen access and benefit

00:09:18.260 sharing, which is arguably the most lethal and potentially deadly, which is the idea that the

00:09:24.340 countries that sign on to this pandemic treaty will get access to diseases, viruses, strains

00:09:30.940 of anything with pandemic potential, and that they can then use that to formulate vaccines,

00:09:37.380 medicine, technologies, responses. I would posit reverse engineer or start pandemics to gain a

00:09:44.320 function research. And this is something that the WHO has met a lot of conflict and coming to an

00:09:49.740 agreement on. Of course, the broader pandemic treaty, too. Of course, the United States pulling

00:09:54.040 out of the WHO. What better way to get the United States back in or at least shelling out some cash

00:09:59.940 than, you know, pretending like there are all these, not pretending, but planting up or ginning

00:10:03.720 up viruses like this new Ebola outbreak to try to garner and solicit support. And there's going to

00:10:09.180 be an upcoming meeting in early July where they're set to at least settle some of that pathogen

00:10:15.100 sharing stuff. But just to hone in for a second on who exactly this group that was conducting

00:10:20.540 this pandemic simulation was, and this isn't some one-off thing, the 7-1-7 strategy is essentially

00:10:27.520 part of the WHO's pandemic response network and activities, their emergency response moving

00:10:33.080 forward. But this is a group, it's part of a broader umbrella network called Resolve to Save

00:10:39.640 Lives, which was started by, you guessed it, Obama's pick to run the CDC, the CDC director for

00:10:45.760 about a decade. In 2023, the Gates Foundation gave them a million dollars. The year later,

00:10:53.920 they gave them over $3 million to, quote, support and strength the national public health agencies

00:10:58.260 responding to routine emergency outbreak and pandemic diseases by utilizing the 717 framework

00:11:03.940 and testing its application with monitoring systems, i.e. the exact type of activity that

00:11:08.720 the WHO was just doing with the same virus that now is playing out with an uncanny similarity

00:11:13.580 to the simulation that they were doing. This group is also funded by the CDC Foundation,

00:11:18.840 the Welcome Trust, which is linked to Fauci and NIAID, the Rockefeller Foundation, Bloomberg

00:11:24.580 Philanthropies, and you guessed it, the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative, who actually very publicly

00:11:31.500 backed the launch of this group in 2017. And if you can believe it, which I'm sure this audience

00:11:38.080 can, Priscilla Chan, Mr. Mrs. Zuckerberg or Mrs. Chan, maybe he's Mr. Chan, actually

00:11:47.240 specifically invoked that one of the reasons they were funding this group was because of

00:11:52.940 the Ebola epidemic being an example back in 2014 of what happens when, you know, public

00:11:58.660 health infrastructure and all these euphemistic jargony terms that those people love to use

00:12:03.280 as a Trojan horse to try to control more and more of your life, that was why they were

00:12:08.360 funding it.

00:12:09.460 And I think when we take a step back, I know Steve and I were talking about this last weekend,

00:12:13.700 we have learned nothing.

00:12:16.260 Obviously, when I say we, I don't mean this audience, but the broader elite scientific

00:12:20.660 class, I think you see it on full display with the mindset that now seems to be plaguing

00:12:25.460 a lot of our elites, new and old, when they're dealing with the Chinese Communist Party.

00:12:29.980 the recent meeting that you had in Beijing with Xi Jinping, there is no merit to collaboration

00:12:37.620 with, certainly with communist countries, but certainly with these almost weird pseudo-communist,

00:12:44.200 new quasi-communist globalist organizations like the WHO that seem to fuse this idea of,

00:12:51.060 you know, helping people in public health and trying to make vaccines and therapeutics and

00:12:56.340 pill is when in reality they're using it as sort of an obfuscation or as a diversionary tactic when

00:13:01.520 what we know they're really doing is trying to better hone in, make these diseases more lethal,

00:13:06.640 more virulent. It's like what we saw with COVID-19 and gain of function. Of course,

00:13:11.300 it shouldn't be lost on anyone. The timing of the CIA whistleblower testifying before the Senate

00:13:16.200 on the true origins of COVID, the massive cover-up that we've seen go on to still to this day

00:13:21.700 obfuscate where that virus really came from when we know even from open source intelligence that

00:13:27.280 this audience has seen for years. We know it came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology and it was a

00:13:32.600 bioweapon developed by the Chinese Communist Party. But let this just be a reminder that 0.99

00:13:37.380 President Trump may have withdrawn from the World Health Organization. It does not mean

00:13:42.460 that any of these groups have taken a pause, have taken a moment of anything. They have

00:13:47.380 escalated, just like we've seen the Democrats here in this country escalate and raise their

00:13:52.560 attacks on the president, melting down over everything, gathering their shock troops,

00:13:56.700 protesting in the streets, paying them, compensating them. There is no rest for the

00:14:02.140 wicked. And I guess that applies to the World Health Organization, too. We'll come back. We're

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00:16:30.920 Do you have any plans to call President Lai of Taiwan before you make a decision on the weapons package?

00:16:37.220 Well, I'll speak to him. I speak to everybody.

00:16:40.660 We have that situation very well in hand.

00:16:43.540 We had a great meeting with President Xi.

00:16:46.580 It was amazing, actually. It was amazing.

00:16:48.960 Many of you were there. 1.00

00:16:51.160 We'll work on that Taiwan problem.

00:16:54.860 You're back in the war room. 0.92

00:16:56.720 We're going to get to all things Taiwan, all things CCP.

00:17:00.680 Still a lot of fallout from that just historic summit we saw.

00:17:04.440 But I was going to start with that.

00:17:06.500 But I was talking to Dr. Thayer in the break before we started the show.

00:17:09.760 And he was just so amped up about the newly unsealed indictment against Royal Castro

00:17:15.300 and some other bad hombres, as I'm sure President Trump would call them.

00:17:18.800 So I want to let you start with that. I know it's big news for us communist haters here in the United States.

00:17:25.680 So why don't you walk us through what exactly these indictments are, what they're about, and the broader implication for what is unfolding with Cuba.

00:17:33.040 Obviously, the CIA had a very interesting tweet, posting some pictures from there. What is going on down there?

00:17:40.160 Hi, Natalie. Great to join you again.

00:17:41.580 And so Acting Attorney General Todd Blanch unsealed indictments against Raul Castro.

00:17:48.600 Raul Castro is a thug and one of the dictators that have been ruling Cuba since Fidel Castro,

00:17:57.060 Raul Castro's brother, of course, more famous brother, came to power in 1959 and then quickly 0.85

00:18:03.240 became a Soviet ally. Very dangerous, really, locus of Soviet power and then later Chinese 0.98

00:18:10.460 communist power influence in the Western Hemisphere. So what Acting Attorney General

00:18:16.760 Todd Blanche did is indict Raul Castro for the murders of three Americans. Four individuals

00:18:23.700 were killed in two Cessna aircraft in 1996 when they were shot down in international airspace

00:18:30.640 by Cuban MiG-29s. And those individuals were in support of an organization called Brothers

00:18:40.320 to the rescue, which were trying to help Cubans fleeing across the Florida Strait into the United

00:18:46.620 States. So it was an absolutely outrageous act by the Cuban government at the time Raul Castro was

00:18:54.200 the dominant figure in the Cuban government. So justice is coming for Raul Castro finally.

00:19:03.280 The indictment, of course, is going to ask the Cuban government to turn Raul Castro over. We'll

00:19:08.000 see whether that happens or whether there's some type of Maduro operation against him.

00:19:15.120 It's important, though, to take a step back and think also about why Cuba was so important,

00:19:20.440 why Cuba is a critical issue. The Trump administration has announced its strategy

00:19:26.460 of hemispheric defense, and that is the U.S. is going to use all the tools at its disposal 0.86

00:19:32.240 to eject communist China from the Western Hemisphere.

00:19:38.280 And Cuba really is the mother load of that, because as important as Venezuela was, Maduro

00:19:43.200 in Venezuela, Cuba has been the railhead for anti-American activities, again, since 1959.

00:19:53.700 We can't forget the Cuban Missile Crisis, where Fidel Castro invited the Soviets to deploy

00:20:00.400 medium-range and intermediate-range ballistic missiles, leading to one of the major crises of

00:20:05.780 the Cold War. The Cubans sent forces to Africa, to Angola, Mozambique, and elsewhere during the

00:20:14.480 Cold War to fight against U.S. allies and hosted Soviet bases in Cuba. Once the Cold War fell,

00:20:23.540 once the Soviets died in 1991, the Communist Chinese took over those intelligence bases and 0.99

00:20:30.340 they've been using them. So the key element here is for hemispheric defense, getting rid of the 0.99

00:20:36.580 communist government of Cuba is absolutely essential. And this indictment is a step forward,

00:20:42.060 a very positive step forward, not only for justice for the three Americans who were killed 0.88

00:20:48.480 in that attack in 1996, but also for hemispheric defense and ejecting the 0.82

00:20:56.500 Chinese communists from the Western Hemisphere.

00:21:02.280 Dr. Thayer, taking a step back, and I guess it sort of links to the Taiwan stuff, but

00:21:07.460 where do you sort of draw the line? I know our audience has a wide array of opinions on, you

00:21:13.960 know, non-interventionism, foreign interventionism, adventurism, you know,

00:21:19.140 containment, not dealing with these countries, you know, take your pick. But with what we're

00:21:24.160 doing in cuba is is it zero sum is it a means to an end and that end is cuba and it's just about

00:21:30.060 dealing with the spread of communism there and the quality of life of the people living there

00:21:33.500 or is this something that you think is is about a broader plan and goal to eradicate whether it's

00:21:42.100 the chinese communist party and their string of allies countries that they're you know interwoven

00:21:47.840 with or what do you think is really animating the trump administration's newfound and sort of going

00:21:53.180 back a while, pretext to kind of make the case that, you know, United States involvement,

00:22:01.340 to some extent, kinetic otherwise, is justified in Cuba.

00:22:06.400 Yes, well, the Trump administration has emphasized rebalancing, right, to make the

00:22:10.200 Western Hemisphere significant again, when it has been neglected, really, in U.S. national

00:22:16.420 security for a considerable amount of time. And that allowed the Soviets, of course, to expand 0.61

00:22:21.900 And their influence, Nicaragua, Grenada, elsewhere, of course, El Salvador during the Cold War, and then the Chinese communists since.

00:22:32.440 So the emphasis of the Trump administration has been really a rebalancing, again, calling attention to the Western Hemisphere and its importance.

00:22:42.480 And to stress the point, Cuba is the railhead really of anti-American sentiment in the Western 0.97

00:22:52.360 Hemisphere and anti-American action and allowing that island, of course, to be used by the Chinese 0.87

00:23:00.120 communists. Again, that island so close to the United States is such an important intelligence 0.88

00:23:04.860 gathering facility for the Chinese communists. So it's a very important step forward. 1.00

00:23:12.480 I don't think, of course, the administration, every administration has, of course, talked about the dangers of Cuba going back really to Eisenhower, the Eisenhower administration and Kennedy administration, of course, which sponsored the Bay of Pigs, the effort by Cuban exiles in April of 1961 to overthrow the Castro regime.

00:23:35.220 Sadly, that failed at that time. But this is a real chance to move ahead with the elimination 0.98

00:23:42.400 of a national security threat and the opportunity, of course, to bring about really dramatic change

00:23:50.300 in Cuba. So I think we need to think of it really as being in our next door, right? It's

00:23:57.980 definitely our neighborhood, 90 miles away from Key West, famously. If you've ever been there and

00:24:04.120 seen the monument, the marker there in Key West. So it's a very different situation than I think

00:24:14.460 we see elsewhere in the world, for example, Afghanistan or Iraq or elsewhere.

00:24:21.860 If you were advising the Trump administration, right, on all of these sort of direct but indirect

00:24:27.900 ways to go after the Chinese Communist Party, I think particularly their expansion into proxies,

00:24:32.960 whether they're proximal to the United States or proximal to China, so they're more reliant on

00:24:37.740 them for fuel or whatnot. Do you think that going after some of these countries, you know,

00:24:42.940 I think Iran is probably the best example, Venezuela, through kinetic means, certainly a

00:24:49.040 unique derivation of kinetic, like what we saw go down in Venezuela. But do you think that that is

00:24:54.740 the most effective way? And how do you then square that? I'm aware this is a long question, but

00:25:00.700 with the kind of softer rhetoric and softening almost on Taiwan? Because arguably, I think you

00:25:09.180 would probably agree with me that is that not the most important kind of proxy for the Chinese

00:25:14.080 Communist Party's global ambitions and kind of a proxy for their standing in the world vis-a-vis

00:25:19.520 the United States? How do you sort of make sense of all of that? Well, I would say both are

00:25:25.540 important. Cuba is significant and Taiwan is absolutely significant for the reasons we've

00:25:31.940 stressed many times on the show. But Cuba is a threat under communism. They've had a very

00:25:37.920 aggressive intelligence collection operations in the United States, had some very important spies

00:25:43.420 and very damaging spies in the United States, as well as facilitating the Chinese communist bases. 0.75

00:25:50.760 So it is a threat. Taiwan, of course, and maintaining the situation, the current situation with Taiwan is essential because Taiwan is first economically so important. 0.56

00:26:03.120 It's that the computer chip superpower, of course.

00:26:07.000 And if that facilities, if the facilities were destroyed, then there would be profound effects for all Americans and the world economy.

00:26:17.980 Secondly, of course, it's the cork in the bottle. It occupies critical geostrategic real estate and the first island chain between Japan, really, and the Philippines.

00:26:31.380 And then it's also significant because in the realm of political warfare, Taiwan shows us what China might have been if the communists hadn't come to power.

00:26:43.260 So it's absolutely significant, and we'll see what the Trump administration does with the $14 billion military aid package to Taiwan. 0.71

00:26:56.360 I would hope that that would move forward because maintaining the status quo in Taiwan is absolutely essential given the tremendous pressure that the Taiwanese government is under and the Taiwanese people are under from communist China.

00:27:13.260 And, Natalie, you've been there, of course, and you've had important interviews with Taiwanese officials. 0.95

00:27:21.060 It really is critical for demonstrating what China could have been and what China may be at some point again if the Chinese communist government falls at some point in time.

00:27:35.100 Yeah, the Taiwanese people, Taiwan, is an awesome country.

00:27:39.080 I call it a country.

00:27:40.220 And you're so right from all those dimensions.

00:27:41.960 I want to hold you through the break.

00:27:42.920 I want to drill down on that, Dr. Thayer, and we'll get into AI.

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00:29:46.040 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance.

00:29:52.240 You're back in the War Room where I just want to reiterate something. 0.58

00:29:56.160 We know Xi Jinping are probably their, what is it, their Wu Mao army.

00:29:59.960 They probably watch a lot of War Room.

00:30:01.460 I hope we've radicalized some of them. 0.77

00:30:04.040 But there's nothing about the Thucydides trap that is accurate, not only because the Harvard pseudo-intellectual academic that wrote it is a puppet for the Chinese Communist Party.

00:30:14.340 He has visited China God knows how many times.

00:30:16.720 He stealthily met with Xi Jinping when he was over there in 2024.

00:30:20.320 That should tell you all you need to know about this guy who spends more time networking with Chinese Communist Party influence group fronts than probably teaching at Harvard.

00:30:29.620 But maybe that's the point of being a teacher at Harvard.

00:30:32.520 He also used to be the dean at the Harvard Kennedy School. Maybe that explains why so many of our next generation of leaders are so in bed and compromised by the Chinese Communist Party, literally. 0.87

00:30:43.320 I would say I'm looking at Eric Swallow, but I think he's had a rough run these last few weeks, so we'll let him take a break on that one.

00:30:50.200 But it is not true. It's not political writing or political theory. It is, I mean, could only be described as psychological warfare.

00:30:59.080 There's nothing inevitable about America's decline.

00:31:01.820 It doesn't have to be.

00:31:03.400 They treat it like it's the third law of, you know, physics or like the gravitational pull of the moon or the earth where it's just true that American elites are going to sell out to China. 0.65

00:31:14.700 And America doesn't have to be on the decline if our elites actually don't let us outsource our jobs or fall for the Chinese Communist Party's lies about outsourcing jobs and manufacturing and doing joint ventures or partnering with them on a myriad of things, including but not limited to buying farmland. 0.67

00:31:31.880 And I would also make the point, I know Xi Jinping thinks that MAGA has so much in common with Xiism and the Chinese Communist Party. 0.60

00:31:39.840 Not quite. You have nothing in common with the MAGA movement.

00:31:42.640 I think you'd misdiagnosed us for, we are not the Democratic Party.

00:31:46.740 You seem to have a little more in common with them since you've been busy compromising mayors in California and probably all the way up to the previous president.

00:31:56.180 The last point I would make on that, if there's any country, I think, that has proven that the Thucydides trap is wrong, you don't have to be a country in decline and that has to fight all odds, it's actually Taiwan.

00:32:07.320 Not just creating a semiconductor industry out of virtually thin air, but prevailing and just surviving every single day against whether it's air incursions, boat incursions, incursion, psychological warfare attacks from the Chinese Communist Party, everything that they try to do to the United States.

00:32:25.500 Believe me, Taiwan is on the front lines. Election manipulation, intimidation, assassination attempts, straight up buying off the opposition party. 0.57

00:32:34.860 I mean, the KMT is basically just an outgrowth of the CCP at this point.

00:32:40.220 But much like the MAGA movement, the grassroots there, the ZPP, they actually, I think, understand what it means to care about your country, your civilization and your future.

00:32:51.020 and not just, you know, sell your country out to the highest bidder,

00:32:55.380 which I would encourage American politicians, particularly Democrat mayors,

00:32:59.640 if you get a check from someone who, you know, it's probably racist,

00:33:03.500 but, you know, it's Chinese and their name can be linked back

00:33:07.600 to a Chinese Communist Front organization.

00:33:09.640 Maybe don't take the money because they're trying to compromise you,

00:33:11.680 but what do I know?

00:33:13.080 Dr. Thayer, I know you know a lot about that.

00:33:15.500 Before we let you go, your sort of concluding thoughts,

00:33:17.840 where you left off talking about all things Taiwan,

00:33:20.720 the fate of this arms package, and just in general, what you think the audience needs

00:33:26.280 to be looking ahead for on all things Taiwan and China more broadly.

00:33:31.800 Well, we'll want to see, of course, what happens to that arms package, Natalie.

00:33:36.200 And again, you and I both hope that it moves ahead, given the importance of Taiwan.

00:33:42.220 And then also, we want to keep in mind, too, that we've got to be able to focus, of course,

00:33:48.680 on the Western Hemisphere as well. And Cuba is, again, so important. And that's why Attorney

00:33:54.280 General Todd Blanche's, Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche's indictments today against Raul

00:34:00.440 Castro are so important, right? We can't indict Xi Jinping, right, although we should. But

00:34:08.680 indicting Raul Castro is a very positive step forward in political warfare against communism.

00:34:15.040 And, again, it's important to recognize that it's one of the guys who has oppressed the Cuban people for so long, has been actively thwarting, fighting, and killing Americans, as the indictment shows.

00:34:31.400 Well, Xi Jinping has as well, so there's a good logic and a parallel for indicting him at some point for his crimes against the Chinese people, the actions that he's taken through the Communist Party and elsewhere.

00:34:43.720 But some good news today with Raul Castro. That's a very positive step. And I'd expect that things move ahead on the Cuba front, perhaps in the weeks and months to come.

00:34:56.920 I like the idea of a she indictment. Maybe we could rewrite the take down the CCP song. We'll have to update the verb.

00:35:04.620 Dr. Bayer, as always, thank you so much for coming on. If you want to say something, add it, but let the audience know where they can get the book, stay up to date with everything you're working on.

00:35:13.120 Well, it'd be nice to see Raul Castro on the dock with Xi Jinping, right?

00:35:16.240 That would be a happy day.

00:35:17.740 But thank you, Natalie.

00:35:19.340 Brad there at X and Bradley there at Truth and Getter.

00:35:22.580 Thanks very much.

00:35:24.180 Thank you, sir.

00:35:25.100 And I'm sure you probably could see or fake that image using AI, though here in the war room, I don't think we agree or we support AI.

00:35:33.580 Obviously, Joe Allen has been on the forefront of that.

00:35:36.680 Was that a bad segue?

00:35:37.520 I don't know.

00:35:37.980 But let's play the cold and then let's hear about our dystopian future.

00:35:42.400 from the one and only Joe Allen. Secretary, before you go, final word on AI,

00:35:47.900 artificial intelligence, because I know you called a meeting. Some people said it was an

00:35:51.440 emergency meeting to talk about the banks and AI after a breach of Anthropoc. What can you tell us

00:36:00.500 about this issue? Is this a systemic issue? Should we be worried about AI hacking our bank accounts?

00:36:08.140 You shouldn't, Maria. And the U.S. government has gotten involved, the AI companies that are

00:36:16.080 working with us. What we've had in the past month was a step change in the power of one

00:36:23.480 large language model, but we're going to see it from the other AI companies. And it's important,

00:36:29.360 Maria, that the U.S. stays ahead here. Imagine if China or some non-state actor were ahead of us.

00:36:35.840 So what we are determined to do is work with our AI companies to allow them to continue innovate.

00:36:43.580 But our charge of the U.S. government is maintaining safety.

00:36:47.260 And there is a very important calculus here between innovation and safety.

00:36:53.900 And at the U.S. government, we're going to make sure that things stay safe.

00:36:58.140 Chair Powell and I called the bank executives into town.

00:37:01.160 It was a little less dramatic than it seemed at the time because they were already in D.C., so we got them in in person rather than convening a call later in the week.

00:37:12.560 And the banks are working on their resiliency, and the U.S. government is working side by side with everyone.

00:37:21.600 And again, very important for the U.S. to continue to dominate here, set the global standard, and maintain our lead.

00:37:28.180 all right it's time to bring in our i would say next guest maybe our translator for what is ai

00:37:35.700 speak because it certainly goes over my head joe allen can you explain what the latest the text of

00:37:41.240 everything that's going on where we kind of stand in the war room fight against the overtaking of

00:37:47.300 the uh the aio rewards well thank you very much natalie this is all stemming from what you heard

00:37:55.700 their Secretary of the Treasury, Scott Besant's concerns over financial infrastructure being

00:38:03.340 vulnerable to AI models like Anthropics Mythos. Audience will recall in early April, Anthropics

00:38:12.780 announced that its AI model, Mythos, was capable of finding and exploiting vulnerabilities in

00:38:21.480 software across the board. This sparked a lot of concern, and it is culminating in an executive

00:38:27.720 order that will most likely be signed tomorrow, the next day, possibly next week. But the executive

00:38:35.520 order is geared towards addressing these concerns, primarily the cybersecurity concern. The text that

00:38:43.700 I've seen is broken into two parts, the first dealing with cybersecurity and the second dealing

00:38:50.000 with the mechanisms or the methods of testing these AI models to see if they're dangerous.

00:38:57.500 So in the first section, the cybersecurity section, it's the order, assuming that this

00:39:04.740 is accurate, what I've seen, the order is to secure the systems of the national security

00:39:12.360 systems, Department of War, and also critical infrastructure, civilian infrastructure.

00:39:18.200 So that would include hospitals, that would include banks, that would include utilities like electricity and water, and to ensure that any danger posed by any kind of hacker, but specifically a hacker that has the advantage of using an AI model, that these systems are secure.

00:39:36.780 The next element of that, and I think this is really important to emphasize, is securing financial institutions, and I think that it's important to mention because it is really, I think, one of the prime motivations behind the EO and this push to have the U.S. government address the dangers of artificial intelligence.

00:40:02.120 It's only when very wealthy men have their own assets threatened that they become interested in the dangers.

00:40:10.380 And then the second part is really interesting to me and I think could be potentially is a step in the right direction to something really, really, really important.

00:40:18.420 And that is to evaluate these models. And this is going to be across different agencies.

00:40:23.600 It's going to be ultimately centered on the National Security Agency, the NSA.

00:40:28.460 So I'm not particularly happy about that because we have pushed for transparency, we've pushed for accountability, and there couldn't be any organization less transparent or unaccountable than the NSA and the wider intelligence community.

00:40:44.200 But at the very least, you can rest assured that somebody is on top of it.

00:40:48.900 They have their top men on this.

00:40:50.540 But, you know, on a very serious note, though, you do have a lot of different dangers that are posed by these systems.

00:40:58.500 And so to the extent you do have people in the government alongside people within the companies, alongside independent organizations who are creating benchmarks and evaluating the models to see basically how smart are they.

00:41:11.760 And another way of looking at it is how capable would any given AI model, whether it's Anthropics Mythos or the GPT 5.5 Cyber from OpenAI, how capable would that make an amateur hacker to create malicious code?

00:41:30.660 How capable would it make a professional hacker to create even better malicious code and scale it up to deploy it more widely?

00:41:37.100 And again, I'm not particularly pleased with this, but you do have, I guess, some incentive to put the intelligence community in charge of this because ostensibly they are here to protect us from both foreign adversaries and also domestic terrorists.

00:41:57.360 So it will also incorporate the Center for AI Standards and Innovation, Casey, under NIST.

00:42:06.820 And I think this is also a good sign.

00:42:09.480 I mean, you do have a great team of guys over there, very, very small, very poorly funded at the moment,

00:42:15.840 but a good team of guys who are working to evaluate these models to see exactly what their capabilities are and what dangers could be posed.

00:42:25.100 So, again, Natalie, I think we will see this EO again probably tomorrow or the next day, and it's a good start.

00:42:33.840 Once they actually start taking seriously the governance and the oversight of other dangers, like, for instance, models that can coach children into suicide or models that can create malicious deepfakes, and then, of course, the bioweapon angle, all of these things.

00:42:52.280 Once all of these things are addressed, I think we'll be at least in a better spot than we are right now, because right now it is basically the Wild West.

00:43:02.820 Joe Allen, if you can hang with us through the break, I want to hear a little bit more about what's going on.

00:43:08.040 And I know the audience has a really good track record for killing some of these crazy proposals.

00:43:12.040 So I don't know if there's anything they can do to help put their shoulder to the wheel, as Steve would say.

00:43:16.780 We will be right back after this short break. More Joe Allen after.

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00:45:27.460 Joelle, and you've got a few minutes

00:45:29.460 before we are going to have our final guest.

00:45:32.380 So I just want to let you explain a little bit more if there's anything the audience can do or if it's not really a congressional thing.

00:45:39.660 It's a little more lobbying, you know, Trump and the White House from a different kind of vantage point.

00:45:44.560 But but what exactly can be done to stop some of this?

00:45:49.980 You know, I don't some of it.

00:45:52.000 Much of it, actually, I would say is not something that I would want to see stopped so much as altered.

00:45:57.280 But it may be a bit late.

00:45:59.700 But to the extent that anything can be moved, you know, these these testing requirements would be voluntary.

00:46:09.740 This is something that Steve has rejected from the beginning.

00:46:12.720 And I also think that these should be mandatory, although conferring with a colleague of mine,

00:46:18.480 he did point out that to the extent that you have a voluntary testing system like this,

00:46:23.720 where an AI company has to submit, in this case, 90 days before deploying it to the public,

00:46:30.120 an AI company has to submit their AI model to the government for testing to see, again,

00:46:36.340 if it's capable of exploiting vulnerabilities in critical infrastructure or anything of that nature,

00:46:44.080 that if in order to do business with the U.S. government, right, and you see this already,

00:46:49.120 which again, I am not for, but this is just the way it is. You have all of these different AI

00:46:55.220 companies contracting with the federal government in order to have their models deployed across the

00:47:00.420 military, across different government agencies, so on and so forth. They would have to submit in

00:47:05.740 order to do that business. So it's not the end of the world, Natalie. In fact, the end of the world

00:47:12.640 won't come soon enough. But it is, I think these are real problems. And I also think that even if

00:47:19.640 this particular executive order doesn't cover some of the broader issues that we've been raising

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00:47:44.060 threat of deep fakes. I think that as assuming this is a step in the direction of actually

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00:47:57.140 we know that, again, they've got their top men on it. Joe Allen, we've got to bounce,

00:48:04.280 Let the audience know they're obviously on the edge of their seat.

00:48:07.760 I find what you talk about so interesting.

00:48:09.120 We appreciate you drilling into this so we don't really have to.

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