Bannon's War Room - Episode 5399： Rally Against Mamdani; Stopping Fraud In The Government

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:00:07.400 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:00:12.640 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:16.900 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:18.820 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:20.260 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:00:22.000 but you're not going to stop it.

00:00:22.940 It's going to happen.

00:00:24.200 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:00:27.600 MAGA media.

00:00:28.500 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:34.380 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:38.140 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:44.520 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:00:47.760 it is a tuesday 26 may year of lord 2026 john schweby from american principles project

00:01:00.040 and a former trump administration at 47 uh figure over the ftc i want to go back to something

00:01:09.260 particularly war room um posse members been with us for a while you understand that

00:01:14.760 I refer a lot to the Gospel of Mark. Why do I refer a lot to the Gospel of Mark? I refer a lot

00:01:21.500 to the Gospel of Mark because that is the first gospel, and it is the first written word, and it

00:01:27.560 was dictated essentially by St. Peter to his secretary, Mark, waiting for his execution

00:01:37.200 in Nero's Rome after the Christians had been blamed for the burning of Rome, which Nero did.

00:01:44.760 Early on in that gospel, and John just referred to part of the gospel, but I think this is what

00:01:53.960 is the most damning of what people have to, my recommendation is, focus on when we brought

00:02:00.880 Joe Allen over here five years ago on transhumanism. Now, why did we do that? Not that we needed

00:02:06.840 another topic to cover, not that we felt that, you know, we had to fill up airtime. No,

00:02:13.640 because as I told you at the time,

00:02:15.720 and he was writing for The Federalist,

00:02:17.440 Sean Davis' fantastic site,

00:02:20.620 is that we knew,

00:02:22.180 I had tried to put together a film

00:02:23.880 after my first directorial debut,

00:02:27.200 which was In the Face of Evil,

00:02:28.440 off of Peter Schweitzer's book,

00:02:29.900 Reagan's War,

00:02:30.720 back in 2003, 2004,

00:02:32.620 which won every award given

00:02:34.820 to conservative films.

00:02:36.540 It really got me into the,

00:02:37.960 from being a financier

00:02:40.940 and an investment banker

00:02:42.020 and really a business type

00:02:43.340 in financing in the film business and other places to really focus on politics.

00:02:49.300 The second is I tried to do the singularity back in 2004

00:02:53.640 with some of the people that put together The Passion of the Christ.

00:02:58.960 Steve McAvity and that team, I couldn't get it financed

00:03:01.400 because I realized that this issue of the singularity was going to be a big issue.

00:03:07.360 This was back in 2004, 2005.

00:03:11.920 And why is that?

00:03:12.860 That's why I got Joe Eleanor here, because this this is not about country power.

00:03:18.060 This is not about national power.

00:03:20.400 This is not about sorting out our country.

00:03:21.780 This is about the species itself and something even very deeper.

00:03:26.720 And and I refer to this, I think, unlocks one of the most difficult to understand passages in the Bible.

00:03:36.840 And trust me, I am no biblical scholar.

00:03:39.180 OK, I'm just not.

00:03:40.180 first off, raised as a Catholic, as people know, particularly old-school Catholicism,

00:03:46.500 didn't really spend all that much time in the Gospels. That's changed over time.

00:03:53.620 But it's Mark 3, 2830. It's very early on, where Christ sends His disciples

00:04:01.060 out to spread the message that He's sending, and particularly to heal the sick

00:04:06.100 and uh and and you know cure the blind make the lame walk signs and wonders and they come back 0.96

00:04:14.340 and they report back yeah we did this right you told us to do it we did it he said how to go well

00:04:20.580 it went okay but a lot of people say that the reason that we can do this is uh you know you're

00:04:29.460 you're beelzebub you're this is oh this is all magic or this is witchcraft this is satanic

00:04:34.360 and uh christ informs him once again and you see this throughout mark where where christ is doing 0.83

00:04:42.740 these has these great powers because he's channeling the holy spirit mark starts it's no

00:04:49.640 there's no um there's no bethlehem there's not like the gospel of saint matthew there's no

00:04:55.040 there's no uh build up it's essentially him coming in and meeting with john the baptist

00:05:01.300 getting baptized and then going to the desert for 40 days. It's kind of like, let's cut to the

00:05:05.460 action. No buildup. So when the disciples tell him, hey, this, he tells them, and this is from

00:05:14.040 the King James Version, verily I say unto you, all sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men

00:05:21.820 and blasphemes wherewithal soever they shall blaspheme, but he that shall blaspheme against

00:05:30.020 the Holy Ghost, hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation, because they said

00:05:36.480 he hath an unclean spirit. Basically, he's telling them there's an eternal, this is the thing about

00:05:42.740 an eternal damnation, there is an eternal sin that cannot be erased. This is the Son of God

00:05:49.760 telling them that, I can't do this, it cannot be erased. You're forever damned by blaspheming

00:05:57.460 the Holy Spirit. Now, what is the Holy Spirit? John just said it previously. We are made in the

00:06:03.080 image and likeness of God. The Holy Spirit is central to that. That is what transhumanism

00:06:11.860 is all about. You cannot see it more in your face than you're saying. And people know I'm no big fan

00:06:19.240 of the Pope. However, this was an encyclical just like, I think, the original Leo or one of the

00:06:26.600 original Leo's, not original, but previous in the 19th century, wrote an

00:06:30.560 encyclical about the Industrial Age. They say a lot of Catholic social teaching is

00:06:36.060 predicated upon this, particularly to workers and to the working class, and to

00:06:42.020 the beginning of the burgeoning middle class. So his was done for the artificial 0.87

00:06:48.260 intelligence, the post-industrial revolution. That's what this encyclical

00:06:51.440 did whether you agree with it or not it drew out the demons this is why shrevy's tweet tweet is so

00:07:00.140 powerful it drew out the demons just like when christ would go and that you see he's everybody's

00:07:05.900 not satan they're not all the top guy he has lots of remember when he meets the the one guy coming

00:07:12.980 out of the cave before he condemns in the pink we are legion we are legion there are legions of

00:07:18.500 these demons, and they came out yesterday online and attacked everybody that was defending this

00:07:25.240 and said, no, we're not interested in human flourishing. Humans are not going to flourish.

00:07:31.120 The machine is going to flourish. That is the new God. What has it been saying that this

00:07:36.840 encyclical is about pointing out the 21st century Tower of Babel? 0.97

00:07:42.980 This is why we're doing it. We're at a decision point for the species. What you're fighting 0.96

00:07:48.300 for here is even bigger than the united states and the great fights we have for populism and

00:07:54.060 nationalism for our own sovereignty and for your sovereignty this is a battle for the species and

00:08:00.880 you're going to see as we said when they went to um davos a couple of years ago and they dropped

00:08:07.540 chat gpt and what did i say when it was in davos i said you wait to venture capital gets into this

00:08:13.780 thing it's going to explode because now they're going to see not just power they're going to see

00:08:17.800 money and wealth beyond all comprehension. Look at these IPOs, initial public offerings.

00:08:23.720 We just discussed Elon Musk and what he's trying to do. The IPO is, I think, I don't know,

00:08:29.440 $1.5 trillion. If you read the perspectives or even parts of the perspectives, it is a disgrace

00:08:34.540 that the investment bank I used to work at back in the 80s, you would have been fired, terminated

00:08:41.940 as an investment banker at that firm, Goldman Sachs,

00:08:45.700 if you had even mentioned what's in this prospectus.

00:08:50.200 Because why?

00:08:51.120 They know they're going to make a ton of money

00:08:52.680 as the lead underwriter on this,

00:08:54.520 and as others on OpenAI and Anthropic, all of it.

00:08:58.420 You think you've seen the power crush?

00:09:02.780 You have not seen anything yet.

00:09:06.300 If you want to know about the devil in Satan on the earth,

00:09:12.780 Just watch it all.

00:09:14.960 Go to Shrumpy.

00:09:15.860 Just look at their tweets in their own words.

00:09:18.820 This is not John putting words in their mouth.

00:09:20.840 This is not Bannon putting words in their mouth.

00:09:22.660 This is their own words. 0.99

00:09:26.180 They're demonic, and they're proud to be demonic. 0.98

00:09:30.360 They're proud to be demonic. 0.83

00:09:33.060 And if you think you're going to look the other way, you are wrong.

00:09:37.300 Why do we spend so much time on this?

00:09:39.120 why do we fight so many guys particularly people on our side of the football we don't think they

00:09:44.020 understand the depth of this this is the fight for humanity right here

00:09:48.500 if you go down this path if you turn it all over to them and the accelerationists

00:09:55.720 get to accelerate you are summoning the demon full stop there is no middle ground in this there is

00:10:04.280 none. John Schwebe, your thoughts and observations, sir. Well, I completely agree with you. And I

00:10:14.900 think you said it in a very powerful way. You know, one of the things that was shocking to me

00:10:19.920 yesterday, Dean Ball, who previously worked in the administration, spoke of a grand humbling.

00:10:25.320 And he almost was excited to talk about this, that basically humanity would be humbled

00:10:31.280 standing before these powerful beings that they've created. And all I could think of was the golden

00:10:37.780 cap, that they're basically saying we have to worship these. But this is kind of where they're

00:10:42.760 at. And I almost see it as the, I'm not an expert on transhumanism by any means, but I almost see it

00:10:48.040 as the final stage of transhumanism, where transhumanism was about thumbing our nose at

00:10:53.260 our creator and saying we can do it better, we can create better. And now instead of perfecting

00:10:58.280 the human person or the human body we're actually saying we can create a frankenstein monster

00:11:03.340 that's superior to humanity but john don't bury don't bury the lead do not bury the lead

00:11:08.860 dean ball who you respond to when i saw it go back he was actually in this administration

00:11:14.520 the grand humbling they're talking about the humbling of our species that you and your

00:11:21.240 children your grandchildren are going to be on the knees be on your knees as a supplicant

00:11:26.760 to a machine. Not my words, not Schwabbe's words, their words, their thoughts, the grand humbling.

00:11:35.220 Are you down with that? Do you want to be the generation or the people on earth in your lived

00:11:41.800 experience that you're going to get on your knees and be a supplicant? That's the only question 0.97

00:11:46.340 you have to ask yourself. Read it from him. Do you want to be part of the grand humbling? Do you want

00:11:52.200 to be on your knees to a machine? Do you? Will you? If you look the other way, you are. You've

00:12:02.580 given me your answer. If you're down for this fight, get down for this fight. If it's too much

00:12:08.440 for you, that's fine. John, tell me about Ball and the Grand Humbling. Well, I think ultimately

00:12:16.700 what they believe is that this is inevitable, that there's nothing we can do, that the creations

00:12:23.880 that they've made are everything set into motion, and that they are going to stun us in how capable

00:12:31.400 they are. But I think ultimately, the folks who are endorsing this are divorced from the faith.

00:12:38.700 Either they don't believe in God or they're in open defiance of God. And I think it's really

00:12:44.840 going to be important for us to have clarity on who these folks are and what they want.

00:12:50.620 And certainly, I think Pope Leo's encyclical, I don't think it was very radical at all.

00:12:57.120 I think it was basically saying, if we're going to do this on this technology, it has

00:13:01.740 to be oriented towards what's best for humanity, what allows humanity to flourish.

00:13:07.020 And so when you have these guys, Steve, just really quick, when you have these guys who

00:13:12.080 have been laughing about job losses or laughing about you know how this is going to fundamentally

00:13:17.600 reshape our economy that's that's evil like there can't be a future of ai without it being 0.63

00:13:25.600 oriented towards human flourishing in the fallen angels what was about lucifer it was their

00:13:33.520 arrogance. Why do we have to humble ourselves in front of this God? Aren't we gods? Can't we be

00:13:44.580 gods? Isn't that what the rebellion was all about, their arrogance? You tell me there's any

00:13:51.860 difference in what you're seeing coming out of these demons in Silicon Valley, and they are

00:13:56.220 demons. You tell me there's any difference? The Tower of Babel analogy that the Pope used was

00:14:05.620 so perfect because I think it's literally the same thing. And again, I think I'm not a doomer

00:14:13.280 totally on AI. I do think that there's potential for this technology, but man, if it's not going

00:14:19.760 to be oriented towards helping us and being our tool and where we're going to be reacting to it,

00:14:26.220 uh i think that's it's not that's not great

00:14:29.020 shrubby hang on i'm going to hold you through the break i'm going to give you all your

00:14:32.920 coordinates when we get back of course it's not that's where the ai agentic you're creating your

00:14:38.080 digital self that's going to replace you you think that the agent is just going to sit there 0.85

00:14:43.360 oh he's me except better it's a total and complete sucker's play

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00:16:59.060 boast the word but i kind of in that mood today um go check it out talk to philip patrick if

00:17:04.740 philip patrick is going to be here on thursday we're going to lay a bunch of stuff out take a

00:17:08.120 lot of time with philip on thursday morning john so uh joe allen is out he's worked all night he's

00:17:15.080 gonna be back here at five he's gonna take a cut at this john you're gonna take a cut of it also

00:17:19.120 i think it was leo the 13th back in the 19th century that did one of these encyclicals to

00:17:24.940 lay out kind of catholic social teaching in the industrial revolution because people realize um

00:17:31.060 you know it started out a little rough in england in the united states uh this is for really the

00:17:37.500 post-industrial or artificial intelligence so where can they get you john i know you're just

00:17:42.160 working on now it's going to be a while but where can they get you to get all your thinking of this

00:17:45.840 and particularly the fact that you've drawn the fire you're out now with these uh demons that are

00:17:52.000 out there right now uh pushing this the grand right take your number two pencil out write this

00:17:58.860 down and repeat it throughout the day the grand humbling are you gonna be part of that you're

00:18:04.500 to be part of that? Just ask yourself. That's all you need to do. You're going to be part. You're

00:18:08.460 going to get on your knees and be a supplicant to the machines that they're building because that

00:18:13.960 is exactly 100% they're doing. And if you participate in these IPOs, you're taking your

00:18:20.140 capital and you're funding it. And guess what? You should go look at your pension fund managers

00:18:25.280 and see what they're doing because they're all going to pile into this.

00:18:29.820 John, where do people go, sir?

00:18:32.400 Yes, I'll have something this week out on this.

00:18:35.140 I want to reread it because it was 40, 42,000 words.

00:18:39.120 But it's going to be up at populussolutions.substack.com.

00:18:43.460 I have a link to it on my Twitter bio.

00:18:46.220 But yeah, very excited to cover this.

00:18:48.100 I think, you know, when Pope Leo was selected and he chose Leo XIV as his name, a lot of

00:18:54.360 us anticipated, oh, he might have some very interesting commentaries building off of Leo

00:18:59.100 the 13th's work. And that's what we're seeing here. So it should be pretty good. Very excited

00:19:03.880 to write about it. That's what it's about. So direct connection. John, thank you. One more

00:19:09.440 time, your Twitter feed, where do people go to get you on social media? I'm at John Schweppe,

00:19:14.760 J-O-N Schweppe on X. And then, yeah, my sub stack is populussolutions.substack.com.

00:19:22.860 And the work you're doing over for Terry and the team over there is fantastic.

00:19:26.820 American Principles Project. Just great. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you taking time.

00:19:31.380 Thanks for having me.

00:19:33.160 Thank you. Rabbi Daniel joins us. Rabbi, you are you've got the young Republicans.

00:19:38.500 You're having a get together, I would say, outside of Gracie Mansion tonight at 7 p.m.

00:19:44.620 Eastern Daylight Time. We want everybody in the New York City area that can make it to make it.

00:19:48.920 What are you are you there to congratulate and thank the mayor of New York for the great work he's done in the last couple of months?

00:19:56.360 No, we're there to ask him to resign. And if he doesn't do so, we're going to push Kathy Hochul, the governor of New York, to to have him resign.

00:20:04.100 I mean, this is very serious. Rabbi, how can you how can you have him to resign when his his ratings are near?

00:20:10.700 I think I saw an MSNBC near all time highs for a mayor. If you take Rudy Post 9-11, he's at an all time high.

00:20:18.160 So why would he be, why would he entertain resigning at all?

00:20:22.860 Not sure what he's going to do, but this is the will of New Yorkers today.

00:20:26.820 I mean, this is a broad coalition, Steve, of Christians, Muslims, Zionists, even Hindus, African-Americans, Latinos, Republicans, Democrats. 0.77

00:20:37.760 We're speaking out about the Islamization of the city and also the Red-Green Alliance.

00:20:43.700 I mean, this is a DSA member, Zohar Mamdani. 0.95

00:20:46.800 He took over the Democratic slate. He's not a Democrat. And so we're in serious trouble in New York City, and people are getting the message. And that's where we're so excited to unite with so many great speakers and so many organizations co-sponsoring this event. It's really remarkable. And enough is enough. You know, there was a demonstration in front of a synagogue on May 11th in Flatbush, but the news is not picking up. There was a rally and a riot through a very quiet Jewish community.

00:21:13.780 People were beaten up. A young Jewish girl was thrown to the ground. Rocks were thrown at people.

00:21:19.380 This is extreme violence hitting our streets. We feel discriminated about. Everybody agrees with it.

00:21:25.200 This is not just a Jewish problem. This is a citywide problem. And that's why the coalition is so broad. 0.96

00:21:30.860 Do people think it's a citywide problem and they just don't think it's a Jewish problem?

00:21:34.640 I mean, you've got groups that are coming to get that don't agree on anything.

00:21:37.800 Are you actually saying there are actually Muslims coming to this event?

00:21:41.620 They're saying that the Red-Green Alliance, they don't agree with?

00:21:44.860 They don't agree with Mandami's put the Muslim community kind of first or, you know, first among equals, I think he would say.

00:21:51.800 You're saying Muslims are actually going to come to this?

00:21:54.600 Oh, there definitely are. 0.50

00:21:55.580 There's a woman named Anila Ali.

00:21:57.200 She has a big national organization of Muslims that are against Mandani, and they're very pro-Israel, very pro-Judeo-Christian civilization.

00:22:04.460 These are people that fled from countries like Pakistan that came to America.

00:22:08.600 They don't like his extremism.

00:22:10.820 I believe we're seeing a crack in his coalition right now.

00:22:13.660 Not all Muslims back this guy. 0.73

00:22:15.140 It's very obvious. 1.00

00:22:15.960 We're going to see them turn out tonight as well.

00:22:17.840 And when I speak to them, they hate the red-green alliance.

00:22:20.400 They don't want a socialist in power. 0.78

00:22:22.200 They don't want an Islamic extremist in power. 0.98

00:22:24.580 But they're upset about his position on prostitution, homosexuality as well. 0.97

00:22:28.640 They believe he's a danger to New York City.

00:22:30.360 They're coming out as well tonight.

00:22:31.400 But isn't one of his strongest constituents, I've said that I've talked to you about it, I've talked to Rabbi Walicki and others, that one of his biggest still coalition partners and a group that kind of drove me, I think a third of the Jews in New York City voted for him.

00:22:46.560 His administration has got progressive Jewish members.

00:22:50.220 Has that been addressed within the Jewish community to say, hey, look, guys, what are we doing here? 0.87

00:22:54.760 The violence is getting worse.

00:22:56.300 Why are you guys working for him?

00:22:57.960 Why are you supporting him?

00:22:59.540 Why are you, you know, championing him in the media, sir?

00:23:02.720 Well, two thirds of the Jewish community went against him.

00:23:05.760 Every single Jewish community council, which represents various neighborhoods in New York, all went out against Mamdani.

00:23:11.340 I don't think the press is pointing that enough.

00:23:13.440 But of course, everybody is really angry and we see what's happening, the discrimination against our community.

00:23:18.040 We see the attack on synagogues you guys all watched on TV, the attacks on Park East.

00:23:22.660 These are not simple attacks.

00:23:23.840 These are violent attacks where people are carrying Hezbollah and Hamas flags.

00:23:28.440 I think that's enough to break his coalition of Jews at the moment. 0.61

00:23:31.300 But let's look at his real administration. 0.88

00:23:33.220 His administration are filled with Islamists and some very far left wing Jews. 1.00

00:23:38.360 We don't agree with them. 1.00

00:23:39.600 Hopefully they'll wake up.

00:23:40.340 We can't promise you, but we're doing the best we can to get everybody on our side right now because he's a danger to everyone.

00:23:45.280 How the left wing Jews, when you guys sit down and talk and say, look, these are organized attacks on synagogues, a place of worship. 0.96

00:23:55.680 You guys don't have to be observant, but you're Jewish.

00:23:57.740 Can't you see the attacks? What is their response? Well, they went to Columbia University.

00:24:03.040 They went to Harvard. These are the same places that were demonstrating in the encampments of Hamas after October 7th.

00:24:08.720 These people are brainwashed. It's hard to talk to people that are brainwashed.

00:24:13.380 But I think the vast majority of Jews are seeing what's going on today.

00:24:16.760 And the far left wing kooks that are his administration will have to resign eventually because they'll eventually see he's a danger to everybody.

00:24:23.240 You know, when the Islamists came in in Iran in 1979, it wasn't just the Islamists.

00:24:28.760 It was this coalition with the communists.

00:24:31.020 Eventually, what happened in Iran is the Islamists got rid of the communists. 0.69

00:24:34.080 So we're going to probably see that happen in New York for now. 0.73

00:24:36.500 I don't know how long it takes, but they're also in danger.

00:24:40.540 And so tonight at 7 p.m., where do people go to get information?

00:24:44.460 7 p.m., you're standing outside Gracie Mansion and demand and have, I guess, a series of speakers that demand that men dominate.

00:24:51.240 and correct me if I'm wrong, who's, I think, feels he's at the top of his popularity, resigned,

00:24:55.860 correct? Yeah, we got some great speakers. Brendan Straka from Walkaway Movement. He's

00:25:00.900 a co-sponsor and he's speaking. Sid Rosenberg from WBC Radio. David Zier. I'm sure you know

00:25:06.360 about David Zier. He's speaking tonight in front of Mamdani. Bill Donahue from the Catholic League

00:25:11.080 and Scott Lobeato, that famous artist that I think made a portrait of Donald Trump.

00:25:16.220 He's coming tonight as well. This is a very, very broad coalition. It's tonight at 7 p.m.

00:25:21.240 It's Tuesday night and it's in front of Gracie Mansion.

00:25:24.320 The more people come out, the broader the coalition, the more the message gets through that we don't want to stand for this leader anymore in our city.

00:25:31.180 We want to change. Rabbi, one more time. Where do people go?

00:25:36.440 They go to end Jew hatred dot com forward slash mom Donnie.

00:25:41.120 They started this movement just a few weeks ago to get everybody together.

00:25:44.860 The response has been incredible. We look for people to looking at the Web site and joining us tonight.

00:25:49.160 thank you sir appreciate you thank you great to be with you steve our own david zier

00:25:55.700 not the pentagon today he's going to be a gracie mansion cameron kinsey you were the first time i

00:26:02.380 just got a couple questions you were the first term in president trump's uh 45 is president

00:26:07.860 because i get this all the time now is president trump eliminating the income tax right now ma'am

00:26:13.560 no we've gotten such just the most influx of calls we've seen uh to date with people who

00:26:21.560 think that they can ignore this problem we tell them all the time that the irs's job is to collect

00:26:26.500 and you know what steve i i want to say this again a lot of people are too embarrassed or

00:26:31.080 too afraid to even say their financial situation to our professionals but the truth is the irs has

00:26:36.620 so many resources available but they're not going to do free advertisement for that i mean that can

00:26:41.480 look like offers and compromise, hardship status requests, innocent spouse relief, just depending

00:26:46.940 on the person's case and what documents that we're able to gather up to kind of see a full

00:26:52.920 picture of what that would look like. But again, these penalties, this interest, it's just going

00:26:58.700 to keep compounding you guys. So get ahead of this. Use the free resources that me and Steve

00:27:03.960 have told you about the free investigative call. We're still upholding that for our war room posse

00:27:08.340 to this day. We can see if an IRS agent has been assigned to your case, what that looks like,

00:27:14.420 what you may owe, but don't let fear dictate your life right now, you guys, because again,

00:27:19.180 this interest, it's just going to keep compounding. This is going to spiral because what feels

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00:28:15.140 Hang on one second.

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00:28:24.160 Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance.

00:28:27.760 Okay, our former contributor, Scott Besson,

00:28:30.180 now secretary of treasury is overseeing on an interim basis, the IRS. He will reiterate that

00:28:35.580 the president, it's aspirational. The president would like to deal with income taxes sometime in

00:28:40.040 the future with tariff revenue, all that. It's not going to happen anytime soon. So you have to

00:28:45.840 find, you can't, because President Trump, they're not filed. Those type of questions at Tax Network

00:28:50.120 USA are just, it's absurd. But if you want to ask them, call them and ask them. But most importantly,

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00:29:03.580 They've solved billions of dollars of problems, so they've heard your tale of will before.

00:29:07.740 Cameron from Trump45, can you one more time give the special hotline you've got for the War Room Posse that they can call and get a free consultation that normally costs hundreds if not thousands of dollars, ma'am?

00:29:20.200 Yes, we've had so many callers.

00:29:22.000 We've had to change the number for you guys.

00:29:23.820 So call 866-513-5516.

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00:29:34.440 Bannon.

00:29:34.940 It's a quick form, and somebody will be with you.

00:29:38.860 Cameron, thank you so much.

00:29:40.100 Thank you for your work in the first term, and hopefully in the not-too-distant future,

00:29:43.840 you'll be in the second term.

00:29:45.220 So thank you.

00:29:46.080 Yes.

00:29:46.580 Appreciate you.

00:29:47.100 Thanks, Steve.

00:29:48.800 Thanks.

00:29:50.420 Keith Sonderling is the Acting Secretary of Labor.

00:29:53.180 He joins us now. So one way we close this deficit is to stop all this fraud.

00:29:57.580 You've got to cut costs. One of the ways to cut costs is fraud.

00:30:00.100 American taxpayers want to make sure that their resources and money is spent appropriately.

00:30:06.500 Mr. Secretary, can you walk us through the efforts that you guys are going through right now,

00:30:10.660 your team is going through right now, to solve this problem?

00:30:14.120 Well, as you know, President Trump has made it a priority of his administration

00:30:17.620 to stop the waste, fraud, abuse and corruption that we've seen for so long.

00:30:23.180 in the federal government. And we're honored to be a part of the White House task force to combat

00:30:28.540 this fraud that the vice president is leading. And DOL plays a significant role in this because

00:30:34.240 administering the unemployment insurance system throughout the country has just been riddled

00:30:39.100 with fraud. So during the pandemic, we saw around $900 billion go out to really help

00:30:46.300 Americans that had lost their job related to the pandemic. But looking back out of that $900

00:30:52.680 billion. Over $135 billion of that was stolen, fraud, taken from the American people, taken from

00:31:00.900 the tax people. And it was done through sophisticated criminal rings. And it was also

00:31:05.960 done just by people who were completely taking advantage of the system. Because we rely on the

00:31:11.020 states to do a lot of the identification and verification checks. And what we saw was fraud

00:31:16.040 was rampant. The money was just going out the door. Nobody was checking. And we're tired in

00:31:21.200 this administration of pay first and verify later. So that's a very big part of what we're

00:31:26.880 changing. But really just to drill down on how bad this fraud was, and $135 billion is one of

00:31:34.300 the largest taxpayer thefts in U.S. history, it got so easy that people in prison, social security

00:31:43.180 numbers related to people in prison, were getting unemployment insurance. Children under the age of

00:31:48.520 2014 got over $1.3 billion in unemployment insurance. And we know that doesn't work because

00:31:54.940 to get unemployment insurance, you have to lose your job and be eligible to work.

00:32:00.020 So dead people were getting unemployment insurance. Thousands of people over the age

00:32:05.240 of 115 years old were getting unemployment insurance. And we believe the oldest person

00:32:10.060 in the U.S. is around 114 and 115. That's one person, not thousands. But I believe the most

00:32:15.780 egregious example of this, just to show you how rampant the fraud was, somebody with a birth date

00:32:20.660 of the year 2154 was able to apply for unemployment insurance and get it. So we're doing everything we

00:32:28.180 can now twofold. Number one, to stop this fraud from occurring, to stop making it so easy for

00:32:34.660 criminals or those who want to take advantage of our system to be able to just go online

00:32:38.540 and apply for unemployment insurance or steal social security numbers and be able to get it.

00:32:43.660 And number two, prosecute through our inspector general, who's Anthony D'Esposito.

00:32:49.380 His main mission now is to go after criminally these people who stole our hard-earned taxpayer money.

00:32:55.240 So unemployment insurance fraud was rampant.

00:32:58.440 And to your point, we are doing everything we can not only to stop the fraud but start to get the money back.

00:33:04.480 So, Mr. Secretary, you said $900 billion was ultimately put forward in this, $135 billion,

00:33:09.440 which I don't know, 15, 17 percent of it was stolen.

00:33:15.180 These were not mistakes.

00:33:16.480 These were not that 135 billion were not people that just got confused and filled out the wrong form or a government employee just got confused and approved it.

00:33:25.700 This was, you believe, actually an act of theft from the from the American people, sir.

00:33:33.040 These were deliberate actions to steal Social Security numbers, file them in multiple states.

00:33:40.040 You know, when you get unemployment, it's for one employer in the state you live in.

00:33:43.460 We saw one Social Security number apply for unemployment insurance across the country.

00:33:49.140 We saw pools of stolen Social Security numbers file in over 40 plus states.

00:33:54.440 So these were by criminal actors who knew what they were doing, whether getting social security numbers, creating fake companies, creating fake email addresses.

00:34:04.460 And the sad part about it, or maybe not the surprising part about it, our foreign adversaries also took advantage of this.

00:34:11.060 So we were seeing from everywhere from North Korea to places in Africa to China stealing U.S. Social Security numbers, creating either fake companies or linking them up to companies where these people work, applying for unemployment insurance and taking that money out of the country or gangs taking this money to launder money or to buy weapons or to buy drugs.

00:34:33.640 We even saw a really just ridiculous example where unemployment insurance money was stolen

00:34:40.080 to build and operate a restaurant, and then they used SNAP fraudulent money to actually

00:34:45.540 buy the food.

00:34:46.540 So the fraud just got so out of control, and that's what President Trump is here to eliminate

00:34:50.920 through this task force and making sure that it doesn't happen again by really clamping

00:34:55.740 down on the states to make sure that they have these identification systems in place

00:35:00.040 using biometrics, using AI, actually making people who are applying for this unemployment insurance

00:35:06.740 have ID and verification check. And that just wasn't happening. This whole notion of we'll

00:35:12.740 pay you and then we'll verify you later never works. And it's over in the Trump administration.

00:35:18.220 Is, you know, you have, you know, breakage or some percentage in any business, any business

00:35:23.580 scale that's just going to slip through the cracks in competence or whatever, but not at

00:35:27.480 these levels 135 billion at 900 billion are you confident that this was not also an active

00:35:34.040 insider's game that there are members of either state governments or inter interface with federal

00:35:38.560 government or federal government employees either social security or to get the the numbers

00:35:43.860 themselves that were not actively involved this just seems to boggle the mind that you get 135

00:35:48.440 billion dollars if somehow there weren't groups essentially criminal groups inside the government

00:35:54.900 that were approving this, sir?

00:35:58.200 Well, that's what our inspector general is looking,

00:36:00.920 not just at the states, but across the board,

00:36:02.820 to see everyone involved in these payments,

00:36:05.160 to make sure that all processes and protocols were followed.

00:36:08.560 And obviously, a lot of them weren't in place,

00:36:10.820 and that's what we're working hard to make sure

00:36:12.320 that there are new procedures in place.

00:36:13.920 But anyone involved in this,

00:36:15.680 whether it's stealing Social Security numbers

00:36:17.220 or fraudulently approving them

00:36:19.480 or being involved in the back end,

00:36:21.220 we're going to go after criminally

00:36:22.520 and we're going to prosecute those.

00:36:23.800 And that's why I was excited to launch the initiative with our inspector general who has that criminal authority, can issue criminal subpoenas, and he's going to do exactly that.

00:36:32.920 So it's not just putting new protocols in place.

00:36:36.200 It's sending a message and going after these bad actors in criminal rings, whether they're in state governments, whether they're in the federal governments, or just criminals out there, to make sure that they're going to be held accountable.

00:36:48.560 And that's what we're doing.

00:36:49.420 And, you know, today we still even see, it's still happening today, and especially in states where New York, where it does have the highest continuation of fraud payments percentage-wise.

00:37:01.680 So New York, California, Illinois, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania are states that are still a problem, and we're going after that pretty significantly.

00:37:11.200 We actually have a strike force going out to over 20 states.

00:37:13.960 They most recently landed in California.

00:37:16.140 So there are DOL employees on the ground looking into this, and we can promise the American taxpayer that we're going to do everything we can to get back any single dollar because that's a dollar back to the taxpayer that was stolen.

00:37:30.080 That's the next question I was going to ask.

00:37:32.680 The recoupment of the $135 billion, is that even a possibility given the element that you're going after?

00:37:40.060 Well, believe it to this day, it is still a possibility.

00:37:42.460 Just last week, the inspector general and I sent a letter to financial institutions to freeze almost a billion dollars that has been on debit cards.

00:37:52.940 So during the pandemic and a lot of these programs, as you know, instead of needing a bank account, which has a lot more traceability and transparency, they just go to debit cards, which are much harder to trace.

00:38:05.440 So the government is literally putting money on debit cards related to these programs.

00:38:09.640 So we believe that there's around 900 million plus that are sitting on debit cards that are linked to frauds, and we just told the financial institutions last week to freeze that.

00:38:19.560 And since we put a lot of these new protocols in place, really working with the states and territories to make sure that they have that ID verification, that they are ensuring that the people who are applying for unemployment insurance are who they say they are,

00:38:31.740 we were able to freeze more than $500 million that was supposed to go out, but for our new

00:38:38.820 verification system. So we have that money frozen. So we're doing a lot right now to not only freeze

00:38:44.120 the money, but we're still trying to recoup that COVID era money that we know is still out there

00:38:48.060 that hasn't been spent. And for the ones that have been spent, we continue to work with the task

00:38:52.720 force, with the Air Inspector General and with the Department of Justice to go after those criminal

00:38:59.140 rings and bring them to justice, um, and get some of that money back. Um, do you, as you see it

00:39:06.080 right now, when do you think the first type of criminal indictments or the criminal, uh, the

00:39:10.480 charges, is that this summer? Is it fall? Is it next year? As you just look at the over, you know,

00:39:15.900 give me the large arc here. When do you see that starting to land? Well, that's a big part of our

00:39:21.500 task forces are actually being on the ground and seeing exactly what the states are doing.

00:39:26.180 Our inspector general also has sent agents throughout the country, and we're working very closely with the Department of Justice and the newly launched task force.

00:39:36.040 And, you know, they have an entire division for fraud now at the Department of Justice.

00:39:40.140 So these investigations are going to pay off, and I will be the first one to come back here announcing some pretty large scale criminal indictments that will be going out.

00:39:51.360 because, you know, we have a very good sense of where the bad actors are.

00:39:57.340 This audience will want to keep up.

00:39:59.100 I mean, this is a breath of fresh air.

00:40:00.860 So where do they follow this?

00:40:02.260 What's the social media or the website of people who want to immerse themselves in this

00:40:07.200 and maybe even add any support?

00:40:10.780 Where do they go, Mr. Secretary?

00:40:13.340 So I'm sonderling47 on X.

00:40:16.880 Our inspector general is labor IG.

00:40:21.360 on X and also the White House Task Force for Fraud, that the new account they've created on X

00:40:27.140 is constantly now posting wins, not just at Department of Labor, but for USDA with snap

00:40:33.300 fraud, with CMS, with Medicare fraud. So we are really doing everything we can to get the message

00:40:38.100 out, to show the taxpayers that President Trump is delivering, putting money back in their pockets,

00:40:43.260 and more importantly, eventually putting people in jail to make sure that this doesn't happen

00:40:48.460 again. And you have my commitment it won't happen again because we are using now advanced

00:40:54.240 technologies to make sure that there is ID verification, which is always a hot topic

00:40:59.960 on the show. We believe in that across the board, including when you're applying for any government

00:41:04.920 benefit. So a lot of technological processes will be happening there, including a new website,

00:41:10.700 unemployment.gov, which we hope is going to be the centralized source. So to get unemployment in

00:41:16.200 the states because it's run by states, we eventually want everyone to come to us first.

00:41:21.200 And the federal government using identity.gov will be the first layer of actually doing those

00:41:26.340 background checks before you even go to the state. So that's a very big long-term initiative of ours

00:41:31.480 because we can't trust the states in this area anymore, obviously with $135 billion gone. So we

00:41:37.500 need to take control of it in the Trump administration. Mr. Secretary, we've got 30

00:41:41.480 seconds. One more time, your personal tour of feed. Where do people go? Sonderling 47 is where

00:41:47.940 you can find all the updates, not only the task force, but more importantly, everything we're

00:41:52.680 doing for the American worker. President Trump is committed to making sure American workers get the

00:41:57.540 best jobs and get them first. With the historic amount of investments that he is bringing back

00:42:01.940 to this country, bringing back manufacturing, bringing back all these trades that have been 0.97

00:42:05.320 gone, we're skilling the American worker first. Mr. Secretary, thank you for taking time away on

00:42:10.780 a busy day to join us here in the world.

00:42:12.300 Appreciate you.

00:42:12.860 We'll push this out.

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00:42:23.780 Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.

00:42:30.680 I think there's five, overall,

00:42:32.640 I think there's five trillion of,

00:42:34.420 one trillion, I think the 900 billion

00:42:36.400 was just an unemployment.

00:42:37.300 And so make sure you go support 0.98

00:42:40.200 Secretary of Labor Sunderling as they get to the bottom of this.

00:42:45.440 Obviously, the criminal indictments have to come early.

00:42:48.580 I do also think that there are many people inside the government that were part of this,

00:42:52.220 but state governments and obviously state governments and federal government.

00:42:56.560 135 billion just didn't walk out the door with a lot of bad actors,

00:43:00.300 and there are a lot of bad actors out there because they know nobody checks.

00:43:04.140 This is a major effort of President Trump.

00:43:05.580 We're going to get more aspects of the task force over at agriculture with the food stamps, all of it, because it was everywhere.

00:43:16.960 And this money needs to be recouped and people need to be held accountable.

00:43:21.120 Fill up the jails if you have to on this $135 billion ripoff.

00:43:25.840 Mike Lindell, you're running for governor.

00:43:27.340 What are you going to do about this in Minnesota?

00:43:28.920 Minnesota was not listed in the New York, Illinois, California, the huge problems, but we know it's a big problem because we know we got the Somalian fraud and much, much more in Minnesota.

00:43:43.960 What are you going to do about it as governor? 0.98

00:43:46.120 Yeah, you know, Steve, I think we were the genesis of all this, I believe, being back and being Minnesota nice and letting the Muslims come in practicing their Islam. 0.97

00:43:57.140 and with the money we got to get we got to ban sharia law but one of the things i look at 1.00

00:44:01.820 everybody this fraud is such a blessing i mean as i'm getting my budget i'm already working on the

00:44:08.060 budget for becoming when i become governor of minnesota and you look at all these programs

00:44:14.220 even if you take out the fraud so many of them are bad programs they were set up not only for

00:44:21.260 fraud but they're also set up to uh where they don't you don't get a good return on your investment

00:44:25.980 they don't help the people they're supposed to help in a lot of cases. And so I'm, I'm working,

00:44:31.800 we have 24 major welfare programs in Minnesota, and I'm looking at each one of them. Like what

00:44:38.600 if this was your only program you had to make this work? And, and, but we've got, we hope in

00:44:44.240 Minnesota, we're looking forward to all these guys going to prison, which I mean, we have the

00:44:49.160 diverse leadership with Keith, Keith Ellison. I believe he's in there on it.

00:44:53.520 Elon Omar, uh, Waltz, the mayor of Minneapolis, they're either complicit,

00:44:58.340 completely complicit in it or, um, or, or, you know,

00:45:01.980 hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. Just don't pick on the Democrats.

00:45:07.200 Your opponent, she looked the other way, didn't she?

00:45:09.860 The Republican, the establishment Republican party is, uh,

00:45:12.860 is controlled opposition up there. Yeah, exactly. You know, we've got, you know,

00:45:17.800 we got lisa dameth running in minnesota we have our big convention this weekend and she was there

00:45:23.760 for you know i don't know how many years now i'm going you know you knew about this yell a little

00:45:27.940 louder you gotta yell you gotta holler this out from the rooftops you just can't sit back and go

00:45:32.600 well i tried but the democrats blocked me i tried but the democrats blocked me well you didn't try

00:45:38.020 hard enough you know and you certainly didn't yell so the people could hear minnesota one of

00:45:42.960 thing, Steve, I'm going to have a very big mouth, a very big, very good communication with the

00:45:47.660 people of Minnesota to get the word out. If we have any blockers or any deviations that you see

00:45:54.080 some money missing, you don't wait a year or two years to finally look into it. You look into it

00:45:59.360 that day and you stop it in its tracks. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. Is Minnesota

00:46:08.020 ready for a hard-nosed business guy, a guy that built a billion-dollar business out of the trunk

00:46:14.140 of a car at these flea markets? Are they ready for an entrepreneur? Are they, I know people say

00:46:18.800 we're ready, but they, what you will deliver, they're not looking for, because you're going

00:46:24.020 to shake things up, right? In Minnesota, you got a nice life, look the other way, so they're ripping

00:46:28.360 you off in your taxes, so your cities are being destroyed, so your education system is being

00:46:32.380 destroyed. It's not going to affect your day-to-day life. You can look the other way and get by.

00:46:36.720 Why would they want to elect somebody that's a disruptor, sir?

00:46:40.800 Because it's because they know it's critical timing, Steve.

00:46:43.640 We right now, the last there's 40.

00:46:46.880 I think it was last year.

00:46:48.620 We had a forty eight thousand deficit in people leaving Minnesota versus people coming to Minnesota. 0.99

00:46:55.660 And it's everybody. 0.91

00:46:58.020 I've talked to people over Minnesota and even people in the inner city going, hey, if we can leave, we're leaving.

00:47:04.260 If we don't win, if you don't win, Mike, if you don't win, if we don't get this change now, it's over.

00:47:09.180 We have the highest corporate income tax in the nation, highest income tax, corporate tax, third in regulation.

00:47:16.140 These things all need to be changed with this budget.

00:47:18.740 I'm getting this thing ready so people will hear the solutions to all of these problems because it's statewide, and they've had it.

00:47:27.480 That's why I said this fraud is a gateway.

00:47:30.020 It's an absolute blessing.

00:47:31.740 It's a gateway to the truth.

00:47:33.500 That's what we've had to live with in Minnesota. 0.93

00:47:36.260 And also we're the Trojan horse for Sharia law, too. 0.94

00:47:39.560 We've got to get rid of Sharia law. 0.93

00:47:41.540 Are these guys, they realize that it's so cushy at MyPillow 0.94

00:47:46.940 that you have departments that are overstaffed,

00:47:49.700 that you guys spend money on overhead,

00:47:51.960 you just like burn dollars out front?

00:47:53.860 Do they have any idea of how you run the company

00:47:58.080 and how you would run the government?

00:48:00.200 Yeah, a lot of them think, oh, MyPillow did it.

00:48:02.500 Is it bankrupt?

00:48:03.500 No, we withstood the biggest attacks probably in history by any company, and we were able to guide through and solve each individual department problem and problems when we were canceled.

00:48:15.640 We were able to guide through that and get through those, and it was by the grace of God, but also by great teams that I put together and great leadership, and that's what Minnesota needs.

00:48:25.920 You need to rebuild it from the ground up.

00:48:28.020 This is horrific what's going on in our state.

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Bannon's War Room - May 26, 2026

Episode 5399： Rally Against Mamdani; Stopping Fraud In The Government

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