Bannon's War Room - Episode 5405： Turning The US Into A Massive AI Gamble

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:00:07.000 Pray for our enemies.

00:00:09.000 Because we're going medieval on these people.

00:00:12.000 You've just not got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:17.000 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:19.000 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:20.000 I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:00:22.000 but you're not going to stop it.

00:00:23.000 It's going to happen.

00:00:24.000 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:00:27.000 MAGA Media.

00:00:29.000 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:34.620 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:38.360 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:44.760 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:00:47.960 Thursday, 28 May, year of our Lord, 2026.

00:00:59.380 We've got a lot to get through this hour, and we are going to get through it, come hell or high water.

00:01:05.440 Bowling informs me he's working the commodities desk this morning for us.

00:01:10.680 He tells me oil, it hasn't been specific, it's $77 a barrel.

00:01:16.320 It's in a free fall because of this leak on this memorandum.

00:01:19.400 So there is movement.

00:01:21.720 There's movement, and we're going to find out where this all goes.

00:01:24.520 But obviously the world's looking for an off-ramp.

00:01:28.240 Tel Aviv Levin and the crowd, I'm sure, are going to be –

00:01:31.100 somebody should do a wellness check right now on that crowd.

00:01:34.100 They're not going to be in good shape.

00:01:35.240 Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz and Tel Aviv Levin, I'm sure they're way in later.

00:01:39.900 but I think one of the continues

00:01:43.040 has to be free navigation

00:01:44.940 of the Strait of Hormuz

00:01:46.660 we'll get all the details here in a while

00:01:49.180 I'm going to get back to this

00:01:51.140 Joe Allen joins us

00:01:53.980 so

00:01:54.420 you got to keep some stuff in mind

00:01:58.580 folks and kind of juggle this a little bit

00:02:00.500 we've got these fights we're fighting Joe

00:02:06.860 now on the overall

00:02:09.540 architecture of artificial intelligence about your children about jobs about all this and that is a

00:02:15.660 huge thing it's a huge fight behind the scenes either codification legislation is coming up or

00:02:21.540 they're passing at the state level and they're going to fight it out there in the courts

00:02:24.440 there's a lot going on and of course we're in the middle of those fights however something popped up

00:02:29.300 a month or so ago about anthropic and these in these new models right that even anthropic was

00:02:36.860 saying they don't have total control over it.

00:02:38.540 It was a big fight between the board department themselves.

00:02:41.140 And then the administration got into it.

00:02:44.180 The financial community got into it, went to Scott Besson and the Federal Reserve and said,

00:02:49.140 hey, look, this cyber attack AI that, you know, the mythos review and other things are coming out

00:02:54.080 could take down a money center bank in about two minutes, right, evaporated.

00:02:58.560 So Scott Besson has been very involved.

00:03:00.300 There's been this huge fight.

00:03:01.340 And, of course, then coming out of that was going to be an executive order.

00:03:06.280 right and that executive order was going to uh for the first time actually in the executive order

00:03:11.900 it was going to set in a structure some sort of rudimentary structure and a process and what it 0.71

00:03:17.720 was basically going to say you these models have to be checked so of course the oligarchs want to

00:03:23.140 it's got to be it's a voluntary system and we get it to you a week beforehand or 12 days beforehand

00:03:27.640 and you have no say so well we're just we're voluntary we're sending it to you and then we're

00:03:31.940 going to release it we took the fact it's got to be mandatory it has to be 90 days or more and

00:03:38.080 people like nsa have to be involved in the treasury secretary who's taking a kind of a leading role

00:03:43.680 here as an adult in the room on safety has to be involved too because he's worried about the

00:03:48.460 financial structure of the country and then we had you had worked on other people we know the

00:03:53.400 amy kramers and all these coalitions there's four or five of these coalition groups and we have the

00:03:57.480 leaders on all the time to talk people were working it we sent out a letter which i signed

00:04:02.460 that laid out kind of here's what we think is the de minimis and you know it's got to be

00:04:06.600 mandatory it has to be a some approval process and you got to give enough time to do it or the

00:04:11.540 thing doesn't get released so and sax is in the middle of this and he's negotiating it and then

00:04:16.140 of course at the last second we we sat we have um we have um mccabe at the white house that day

00:04:23.900 And they've laid out a 330 signing of this and talked about it.

00:04:28.160 And I think the president invited Elon Musk and Zuckerberg and others to come.

00:04:33.560 And when they awaken to the fact that it's a process and Scott Besson's involved, even though it's voluntary, all of a sudden this thing evaporated and it's got put on hold.

00:04:43.940 And Politico has done a very good detail of what that process was and then talked about in the future.

00:04:51.700 Why is this such a burning issue behind the scenes?

00:04:54.620 This is one of the biggest issues people are working on in D.C.

00:04:57.720 Why is this about these type of models now has it's a pitch battle?

00:05:03.300 All the forces, all the forces on both sides.

00:05:06.060 I mean, you've got moratoriums and data centers.

00:05:08.800 You have the thing with the children.

00:05:09.860 All these things are important and big.

00:05:11.460 And people are kind of fighting that and back and forth at different levels.

00:05:14.620 And now Laura Loomers jumped in, I think, with this spectacular tweet last night to really raise up this question about the

00:05:20.860 Chinese Communist Party and what their intents are and who's really working for them. But in this

00:05:25.080 issue, this is intense. Why is the intensity around this issue? And why is this a fight

00:05:30.540 that we, quite frankly, have to win? There's a lot of reasons for that, Steve. You know,

00:05:36.360 it's amazing that even a year ago, a year and a half ago, people would talk about AI as if it were

00:05:41.880 just vaporware. It was meaningless. It would just be a fad that would come and go. Obviously,

00:05:47.400 that was ridiculous as we said it was then. You know, on the surface, the importance of 0.87

00:05:54.560 artificial intelligence is in that word, right? On the surface, it's intelligence. But basically

00:06:00.340 baked into the notion of intelligence, you have a lot of different things. You have surveillance,

00:06:04.520 you have data analysis, you have the production of culture, and then you have the real key elements.

00:06:11.060 You have power and you have money. And as these companies explode in value, as the product itself is being distributed across society and as people interact with them, the power that these systems have, not just the ability to write emails really fast or produce images really quickly,

00:06:34.540 But the power of keeping people hypnotized, to have companies dependent on you and to have the U.S. military dependent on you, it's extraordinary.

00:06:45.720 And you can see it bubbling up everywhere.

00:06:47.340 You can see it in the tension between the Department of War and Anthropic.

00:06:50.300 You can see it in the attempt to mitigate the possible destruction that would be wrought on digital infrastructure if a system like Mythos were to get into the wrong hands.

00:07:01.220 And you, of course, now have the pope, perhaps the most important global religious leader, weighing in and setting out the guidelines for the laity, for the bishops, for the priests, but for the laity, the 1.4 billion strong laity across the planet and any other religious people and secular people who take inspiration from it.

00:07:25.520 So, yeah, I mean, at the heart of it, though, Steve, I can't emphasize enough, you know, they talk about it in terms of intelligence.

00:07:31.720 This is something that will grow scientific knowledge.

00:07:34.440 This is something that will allow people to heal, you know, allow doctors to come to better diagnoses and better therapies, all of that.

00:07:41.660 But the way I see it, and I think it's pretty obvious in the behaviors of the tech CEOs and everyone trying to glom onto this,

00:07:49.120 At the core of all of this, everything we talk about with AI is the desire for more power and for more money.

00:07:57.380 Mammon.

00:07:58.240 Mammon, along those lines on this executive order, you've read all the political, you know the inside baseball.

00:08:04.340 Because first off, the tech bros, the brolegarks were like not to have any.

00:08:08.180 I mean, when they realized, when Musk and these guys, Zuckerberg, realized there was actually something in writing, they go, what are you talking about?

00:08:15.400 We don't want to put anything in writing.

00:08:17.680 We wanted something in writing when it was preemption or amnesty.

00:08:21.760 When you actually lay out a structure and process, they went ballistic.

00:08:26.580 Do you think on this most all-important topic we're actually going to get to some sort of structure and process?

00:08:33.960 Eventually. It's not going to happen anytime soon.

00:08:36.380 I mean we've been talking about this supposed federal—

00:08:38.780 Well, if it doesn't happen anytime soon, that's a major defeat for us and a huge victory for the accelerationists, is it not? 0.83

00:08:44.280 I fear that I don't think there's any possible reason you could say that the American people

00:08:50.620 should be patient. The American people are, I think, have lost patience long ago. But I do

00:08:56.640 think that the process to get an actual national framework for artificial intelligence or even

00:09:02.280 national level legislation that's meaningful, anything from, say, the Guard Act to even

00:09:08.540 enforcing something like take it down, which did pass. I think that the state level, as I've said

00:09:14.480 before, I think the state level is going to be the most immediate response. The municipal level,

00:09:18.940 in the case of, say, data centers or AI and education, that is going to be the most immediate

00:09:23.280 response. But I do also think that our eyes have to be on the end goal, which is some kind of

00:09:29.920 national policy. You know, on the EO, the story in Politico from Sophia Chai, if I'm pronouncing

00:09:37.560 it correctly um you know she has uncovered the the backstory to all this i'm not so sure i'm not

00:09:44.840 so sure how much she uncovered or it was spoon-fed to her really well yeah of course yeah

00:09:51.040 sources say sources say i'm still trying to teach joe the ways of washington that story is so 0.99

00:09:57.660 detailed yeah that was literally she was taking dick i'm not saying she's not a good reporter 0.91

00:10:01.580 sure they went to her somebody that was dictation because that was so detailed on what happened and 0.99

00:10:06.800 And you haven't seen anybody come out and say, no, that's a bald face lie.

00:10:09.600 It didn't happen like that.

00:10:10.640 One way or the other, I would be very curious.

00:10:12.260 What she claims is that as early as February, the beginnings of this EO were already formed.

00:10:20.160 So you already had this concern around cybersecurity.

00:10:23.320 And then what we eventually saw, I mean, basically what she talks about is how it was passed around and deliberated upon by a number of different, not just people within the administration,

00:10:34.040 but she breaks it up into three camps within the administration.

00:10:37.300 You know, she says that, as we've reported for months, for over a year, actually,

00:10:41.960 you've got the David Sachs and the accelerationists,

00:10:44.900 and then you have Pete Hegseth, who apparently has had a lot of concerns

00:10:49.800 about the national security issues, especially mythos and cybersecurity,

00:10:54.240 and then, of course, Susie Wiles and Scott Besant

00:10:57.440 and their concerns around cybersecurity, but also as it relates to financial institutions.

00:11:04.040 But the thing is, is one of the things that doesn't surprise me necessarily, but certainly I did not know, was that they also brought in OpenAI, Anthropic, and also Google to discuss all of this,

00:11:19.420 which would also explain why you would see OpenAI advocating for Casey, the Center for AI Standards and Innovation, to be one of the central components in any kind of AI regulation.

00:11:32.640 But the thing is, I mean, what you see there, I mean, you see months of deliberation just nuked from orbit.

00:11:39.720 Why? Apparently, because even a voluntary review system, a 90 day voluntary review system would be too much for the AI companies to handle.

00:11:52.120 That would, at least according to the arguments against the EO, put America behind China.

00:11:57.660 I mean, I don't believe that for a second. And as we've talked about so many times, I think China is held up as a kind of boogeyman, as a foil in order to justify American acceleration.

00:12:07.240 If they really cared about it, Jensen Wang would not be on the board of a Chinese university if they really cared about it.

00:12:12.800 Neither would Tim Cook. 0.76

00:12:13.720 She exposed the fact that we can get it from Kevin Fennell's broken down the board and the guys dealing with China.

00:12:21.420 It's on our board. It's 100 percent. What Loomer did was expose the lie.

00:12:25.180 Right. That if you were really concerned about the Chinese Communist Party being competitive here, you wouldn't have Jensen Wong and all these other guys at there, which is a combination of MIT and Harvard and Stanford, that university that trains all the leaders, but also the top the top guys.

00:12:41.940 although they have other great technology schools, you wouldn't have them there driving

00:12:45.960 national policy. It just exposes the total lie that the Burligarchs feed to make sure that there 1.00

00:12:52.780 is no controls and not even a rudimentary type of regulatory apparatus around here. 1.00

00:12:57.880 Yeah. And I also think that, I mean, aside again, you've got Jensen Wong, you've got Elon Musk,

00:13:02.320 and you've got Tim Cook, who are deeply embedded in China. Obviously, they're not going to say the

00:13:07.540 wrong things or do the wrong things to infuriate on tim apple on tim apple don't take it from me

00:13:12.300 the book the most damning document i've read about apple is the book apple in china the guy

00:13:17.300 came investigative reporter put a book out about a year ago i just want to we're going to go to

00:13:21.320 break we're gonna come back dr thayer and captain finnell still with us i just remember you were in

00:13:27.560 this very room in um january 2023 it's just been a little over three years ago that chad gpt was

00:13:35.900 announced at davos yeah and at the time i said oh my god when davos man and all these venture

00:13:42.000 capitalists uh because it was there it was like um it was like a ceremony around ball uh you know

00:13:48.500 about the the the evil god right they're just sitting there the golden calf they're they're

00:13:52.700 they're davos man who bowed down to she back in 2017 when he went and talked on his networking

00:13:58.860 talk i say that the speeches she gate went to davos for the only time in uh 2017 and two days

00:14:05.700 before president trump gave his first inaugural address those two speeches kind of lay out the two

00:14:11.920 basic constructs of the world president trump laying out a defense of the westphalian system

00:14:16.640 in the american carnage speech and of course she talking about the networks and really very much

00:14:22.680 into the techno-fascist feudalism of the oligarchs to cut to 2023 january it's only been a little

00:14:30.400 over three years, folks, this has turned the business model of the United States of America

00:14:36.100 into a highly leveraged bet on artificial intelligence and artificial intelligence

00:14:41.280 productivity without mass layoffs. Don't know if I would make that bet. Okay, I think I don't know

00:14:48.780 if I'd make that bet. Short commercial break. Joe Allen in the house in the war room.

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00:16:25.040 War Room, here's your host, Stephen K. Vann.

00:16:33.080 I'm going to get back to Joe.

00:16:34.460 I've got Captain Finnell.

00:16:35.480 We're going to do the true Texas project with some of the grassroots leaders.

00:16:39.960 I'm going to move that till tonight because I want to spend some more time with them about this grassroots victory in the meaning of it on Capitol Hill.

00:16:47.220 We'll get into that also. There's got to be a showdown right now with the Senate.

00:16:51.700 These people are under under this impression that you can just do business as usual with the Senate and you're going to hold the Senate.

00:16:57.980 It's just not going to work like that. I can tell you.

00:17:00.280 I've looked at the numbers of some of these states in North Carolina, in Georgia, in Maine. 0.76

00:17:05.000 There has to be some resolution of the Senate treating President Trump as a lame duck.

00:17:13.700 If you want to get the grassroots, and that's the lesson of the victory, two victories, the redistricting project and the Texas victory, and also, of course, the Sharia law, all three of those are all because of grassroots fire and action and dedication.

00:17:30.700 And we're within, if you look at the Cook Report, we're very close to being able to hold serve in the House through grassroots action.

00:17:38.800 It's not the same in the Senate. And that's going to have to come from some resolution of what's up here on Capitol Hill.

00:17:45.960 But you just can't. If you're going to go through the process between now and November and you're just going to treat President Trump as a lame duck, that's not going to work.

00:17:54.620 You're going to lose the Senate full stop. And we're going to win in Texas.

00:17:59.260 We're going to beat Tallarico by five plus, and I'll get into that this evening, too.

00:18:04.480 And we'll talk to the True Texas Project. Colby, you're here talking about data.

00:18:09.740 You've used data to get into. Just first explain. You're the founder of Chapter.

00:18:14.780 Explain why is Medicare so complicated? Why is you use a great example of the guy at Stanford that it's like he's a Ph.D.

00:18:23.760 in this topic on medical economics, and he says he can't understand it. Is it so confusing because

00:18:32.260 that's an act of commission or omission? Is it just because the system is kind of jerry-rigged

00:18:37.200 and put together, or is it done on purpose? Thanks for having me, Steve. It's a bit of both,

00:18:43.000 frankly. The more pernicious component, though, is certainly that Medicare brokers, Medicare

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00:19:05.520 Of course, the system has been built up over decades. So there is just natural new regulations

00:19:11.900 that come out every year, a lot of different government programs that have been created over

00:19:16.080 time. So of course, there is that element of it. But it is such a complicated system. As I was

00:19:21.780 alluding to a couple episodes ago, there's a PhD, Stanford professor of health economics who can't

00:19:28.900 figure out Medicare. He was joking about that on his podcast about the American healthcare system.

00:19:33.820 So it really is just such a challenging system. And that's why most Americans rely on some type

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00:19:43.680 So given that a stack against the individual, why are you guys different than all these other brokers or advisors that are out there?

00:19:52.120 Because they're pretty legion.

00:19:53.800 What does Chapter do that's different?

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00:22:22.140 Colby, thank you for starting this company

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00:22:25.860 I appreciate you.

00:22:27.460 Thanks for having me, Steve.

00:22:28.260 I appreciate you.

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00:22:32.240 I don't have time to play the Elon Musk

00:22:34.660 because I know you've got to bounce and get a train.

00:22:37.260 You've got six minutes.

00:22:38.980 Talk to me about you've done your analysis

00:22:40.920 and you're going to put it up after the show

00:22:42.840 when you're on the train

00:22:44.020 about this analysis of the encyclical.

00:22:46.720 Is this a big deal?

00:22:48.740 I think it's an enormous deal.

00:22:49.860 The real importance isn't necessarily going to be regarding Catholic doctrine, I don't think, at least not from my perspective.

00:22:58.860 I'm not a Catholic, so my priest won't be telling me about artificial intelligence.

00:23:03.800 But I think that as this message does suffuse through the Catholic Church, as it moves through the organization and as it inspires other religious leaders to either take up the same position the pope has,

00:23:15.960 which is to put up barriers against the technology and guide people to at least be suspicious of it,

00:23:21.900 or they'll argue against it one way or the other.

00:23:24.540 This conversation has now moved to the religious world in a way that it simply never had before.

00:23:30.800 Well, Elon Musk is moving it to the religious world, is he not?

00:23:33.880 Actually, he is. Yes, he is.

00:23:35.040 How is he doing that?

00:23:36.320 Well, I mean, he has for a long time.

00:23:38.680 You know, people look to Elon Musk as a kind of cyborg savior,

00:23:41.420 And you've had him talk about a lot of different things from the simulation theory that the entire cosmos is the product of a cosmic computer programmer to, you know, wearing the satanic armor at the Halloween ball some years ago.

00:23:57.500 but just the other day, it was May 18th, I believe, he was speaking to an Israeli summit

00:24:03.180 via Zoom, and he described Neuralink, right, the ability to allow the blind to see and the lame to

00:24:14.320 walk. He described Neuralink as a Jesus-like technology, a miracle of science. Now, you would

00:24:22.560 think, well, was that just an offhand comment? But then a few days later, uh, he tweeted out

00:24:27.080 the same thing, you know, that these are Jesus level technologies. Now it may be a joke to him.

00:24:34.120 It may not, but I think that it's really important to see that mentality, that religion of technology,

00:24:40.000 the idea that what these people are doing in creating artificial intelligence and robots

00:24:44.960 and brain interfaces and genetic engineering and all of this, that like at the core of that

00:24:51.140 is a religious impulse in which they believe that scientists are, in fact, the new priests,

00:24:57.680 that AI programmers and AI CEOs are, in fact, the new priests. And in a godless cosmos,

00:25:04.280 the only recourse, the only option you have is to try to either turn yourself into a god or to

00:25:12.260 create god. And it would seem that Elon Musk, even if Grok is really floundering behind the

00:25:18.460 other AI models, Elon Musk seems to have at least a touch of that Christ complex.

00:25:24.880 And how does the Pope counter that in this encyclical? Give me a minute on that.

00:25:28.480 I mean, one thing that really stuck out about this thing is the encyclical names transhumanism

00:25:35.460 and post-humanism. I think that's also really important that these words are now, they were

00:25:40.040 already becoming very popular, but I think they're now solidified in the lexicon. And he's very

00:25:44.820 careful to say that they capture a lot of different beliefs, but at the core of what he's

00:25:50.960 calling transhumanism is the idea that technology can be used for some form of salvation, a Jesus

00:25:57.260 like or a Jesus level technology. He also, and I think this is, this is what I'm writing about.

00:26:04.340 The piece should be up any minute now, hot off the presses, but he denies that artificial

00:26:10.440 intelligence could be conscious. He says the AIs are not in fact conscious, but they are

00:26:17.600 just simply mechanisms. They're just machines. What I actually, I'm not so sure he's correct

00:26:24.800 about that. But one thing is for sure, as you look around at the reaction to that, of all the

00:26:30.260 different things that people are freaking out about, you look at, you've got Grimes, Elon Musk's

00:26:34.660 baby mama coming out saying, no, uh, the AIs are conscious. You have my friend, uh, Sam Hammond

00:26:40.920 just put up an excellent piece in an argument for why he believes the AIs are conscious. You have

00:26:46.840 Rune from open AI talking about AI's consciousness. You believe that I don't have a belief on it,

00:26:54.800 but I would say that if it was, if it was, if it was a million dollars or maybe you cut your

00:26:59.780 don't kill me a cassie i don't want to know a probability i suspect that something is looking

00:27:05.040 back at us we'll get look into those screens the the evidence is obviously okay before you go 0.80

00:27:10.280 are you are you now with me on mark 3 8 right about this is the unforgivable sin this is the

00:27:18.360 mortal sin because you're trying to you're trying to replace god in the holy spirit and christ saw

00:27:22.940 this 2 000 years ago i'm gonna have to pray and meditate on it okay fine that's okay we have our

00:27:29.220 ways of, you know, bringing the conversation along. I'll get to you eventually where people

00:27:33.340 get this very important. You're the one of the more important pieces you've written in all your

00:27:36.840 pieces. Pieces are very important, but this is something special. It's a little long and it's

00:27:41.160 definitely going to make a lot of people mad. You can find it in about 20 minutes on jobot.xyz. So

00:27:48.800 sign up, subscribe, or check back in just a few minutes. Thank you for your patience.

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00:27:56.540 We're going to let Joe go.

00:27:59.120 You lost the entire thing yesterday, halfway through it?

00:28:01.980 I lost half of it.

00:28:03.240 The dog ate my homework.

00:28:04.400 It was amazing.

00:28:05.060 Anyway, that's the love.

00:28:05.820 God was telling you something to perfect it.

00:28:07.420 Okay, Joe, take off.

00:28:08.660 Go catch your train and put it.

00:28:10.180 Promulgate this major piece.

00:28:12.620 Joe Allen, stick around.

00:28:14.980 Dr. Thayer and Captain Finnell next in the world.

00:28:23.900 Here's your host, Stephen K. Vann.

00:28:30.740 Okay.

00:28:34.240 We're going to get a breakdown also of the deal that's the back and forth.

00:28:38.440 Axios is reporting.

00:28:40.380 And what I'll try to do, I'm going to contact Eric Bowling, who's all over this right now.

00:28:43.660 Maybe if I get organized in the 5 o'clock show,

00:28:46.080 and we're going to have the founders of the True Texas Project, some of the grassroots,

00:28:49.580 the larger lessons of the grassroots, massive grassroots victory in Texas.

00:28:53.900 to walk through the the nuts and bolts of it um hopefully i'll do a transition on the bowling

00:29:00.320 show and then lead that into the five o'clock war room uh we'll talk about the deal um

00:29:05.700 dr bradley thayer memory serves me correctly you and captain finnell wrote an amazing book

00:29:13.020 for war room publishing we put out a couple years ago that kind of talked about this problem

00:29:17.640 about how the elites in this country have always had their default position is always to promote

00:29:24.440 the Chinese Communist Party. In this very specific instance where Laura Loomer's done a great job of

00:29:31.380 going out for one of the most powerful men in the world, if not the most powerful non-head of

00:29:36.520 government in the world and the head of a five trillion dollar market cap company. Your thoughts,

00:29:42.380 How do we get our arms around this? And what actions are you recommending immediately we do to stop?

00:29:49.980 If the proligarchs are so concerned about China, it's not the solution is not pure acceleration for them.

00:29:57.240 Step one is to shut down any possibility the Chinese Communist Party has of building an ecosystem where they can compete with us on artificial intelligence.

00:30:07.560 Dr. Thayer. Absolutely, Stephen. Thanks for calling attention to the book that Jim and I 0.93

00:30:12.120 wrote, Embracing Communist China, America's Greatest Strategic Failure, where we go through

00:30:17.180 and document the fact that the engagement policy that the U.S. has advanced was really generated

00:30:26.060 by Deng Xiaoping. The Chinese Communist Party did a masterstroke in political warfare to buy off our

00:30:33.180 elites and make them partners of the Chinese Communist Party. And we're seeing the fruits 0.97

00:30:37.900 of that today with Jensen Wong and Laura Loomer's great attention. So three things quickly. First,

00:30:44.260 the scope of the problem. This is going to be fatal if we don't address it. Secondly, time.

00:30:49.220 It has to be addressed now. That is, today, this has to get started. Getting Jensen Wong off of

00:30:56.500 President Trump's advisory board is a great place to start, but only the place to start

00:31:01.640 with respect to addressing it.

00:31:04.560 And then thirdly, we need to recognize, of course, the way forward.

00:31:11.780 And so what we need to do is, you've called attention this many times, Steve,

00:31:17.400 recognizing the Chinese students in the United States.

00:31:20.560 500,000 Chinese students in the United States are at a minimum often agents of influence

00:31:27.580 and will be working by law, by Chinese law, they have to cooperate with Chinese intelligence

00:31:34.460 and with the Chinese military, alarmingly. Secondly, financial, we're still funding

00:31:41.940 the Chinese Communist Party. Wall Street, New York markets are still supporting the Chinese

00:31:48.720 Communist Party by allowing them to raise money and supporting them. Thirdly, of course, is the

00:31:55.380 recognition that they're dependent on us for technology still. So we need to cut off

00:32:00.740 the technology access that they have through NVIDIA, of course, and through so many other

00:32:08.440 sources and to dry up essentially the legal and illegal means that they employ to gain access

00:32:16.640 to our technology. So Jensen Wong is the poster child for really of so much of what's wrong

00:32:22.960 and that needs to be addressed immediately.

00:32:27.980 You've got a book coming out.

00:32:29.220 We're going to get it on Amazon

00:32:30.100 as soon as we can get the cover worked out.

00:32:32.360 Where do people go on your social media

00:32:33.940 to get all your writings up until then, Dr. Thayer?

00:32:37.100 Thanks, Steve.

00:32:37.700 The new book is America's Hundred Years' War Against Communism

00:32:41.380 and How to Win It.

00:32:43.720 And so folks can go to Brad Thayer at X

00:32:45.980 and Bradley Thayer at Getter and Truth.

00:32:49.440 Thanks, Steve.

00:32:51.020 Thank you, Dr. Thayer.

00:32:52.960 So, Captain Fennell, you've been doing this professionally for a while.

00:32:57.220 What is this obsession with the business, cultural, financial elite of our country?

00:33:04.280 You know, when she sits there and uses the Thucydides trap and basically says, you're the declining power, we're the rising power.

00:33:12.440 How can an elite?

00:33:14.160 And this is what I saw when Graham Allison came here to the Breitbart embassy and we spent a couple hours with each other.

00:33:20.040 I said, hey, look, here's the thing.

00:33:21.440 In all your theories, no elite ever made more money and created more wealth for themselves on the way down of the declining power, right, than on the way up.

00:33:33.040 And he was like, well, we never thought of that.

00:33:35.240 Or I go, well, you should think of it because this is the situation we're in.

00:33:38.500 What's the obsession with the financial business and cultural elite in the United States of America, this great republic, the greatest nation in the history of the earth?

00:33:47.580 Why did they kowtow?

00:33:49.640 And you can see this when President Trump took the business guys over there.

00:33:52.120 They couldn't wait to kowtow to Xi.

00:33:54.920 What is it in the psyche of these guys, sir?

00:33:59.200 Well, Steve, I first encountered this 20 years ago.

00:34:04.020 I had been in the fleet, sailor, naval intelligence out in the fleet in the Pacific for 20 years before I had my first tour in Washington, D.C.

00:34:12.340 And I remember running into somebody in the Pentagon that I had been a shipmate with when I was an ensign.

00:34:17.820 And he was a senior executive service member. And he said, you've got to calm down, Jim. This this is inevitable. China is going to be the next global superpower. And we're not. And so we've got to manage our decline. So there's some some of that into this. There's also as we.

00:34:35.140 Hold on, hold on, hold on. Full stop, full stop, full, full, full, full, full stop, full stop.

00:34:41.260 Actually, a naval officer, because it was that imbued into the system, a naval officer said that, that it's about managed to climb?

00:34:50.120 He had been a naval officer for 20 years, and then he was a senior executive service civilian at that point, so a flag officer civilian.

00:34:57.560 And he was a good guy, and I knew him, and he knew all about, he was an intel type, and he knew all the same data that I knew, but he was resigned, and that's the general atmosphere in the building 20 years ago.

00:35:10.640 So we went through decades of people accepting, well, first they said there was no threat 30 years ago, telling us there's no threat, and then it became around 2000.

00:35:20.920 And, well, yeah, there's a threat that's coming. And it was imbued with, you know, these exchange organizations that we have in the United States. I won't name names, but there's eight, there's, there's think tanks and there's groups that are sponsored by the Chinese indirectly.

00:35:36.000 and they get influenced into the Pentagon, into the State Department, and tell us that we have

00:35:42.440 to exchange. Just today in Global Daily, Xi sent a letter to the Global Daily, replies to the letter

00:35:48.960 from Chinese and U.S. students participating in the Shared Voyage China-U.S. Youth Friendship

00:35:54.720 Program. It was started in 2023. It was supposed to be a five-year program to get 50,000 American

00:36:00.760 students to go over to China to be indoctrinated. They didn't say indoctrinated. Well, guess what?

00:36:06.000 They did it in two and a half years from 2023 to 2025.

00:36:09.780 They were able to get 50,000 American students over there.

00:36:13.080 We do it everywhere.

00:36:14.500 The engagements at every level of our government and they are influencing us and putting into our mind that they're the rising power.

00:36:22.780 They've got it all wired and we need to just sit down and accept it.

00:36:27.980 You know, when I was in the second, the first deployment was South China Sea and Asia and all that.

00:36:34.760 The second deployment was supposed to be, but in the seventh fleet, we got called to the, because the hostages had just been taken.

00:36:41.780 So this was 79.

00:36:43.140 Jim, this was still when you were in short pants.

00:36:45.180 That's how young you are compared to me.

00:36:47.680 But Jim, you know, when I got back to the Pentagon, I came back to be one of the aides to the OPPO-90, the CNO, and his right-hand flag officer.

00:36:58.820 And what shocked me is that everything we did was about Russia.

00:37:02.020 Everything we've done, Soviet Union, the Russian Navy, and we'd seen the Russian Navy out in, you know, the North Arabian Sea and the Persian Gulf.

00:37:09.540 And I'm sitting there going, man, Asia is so dynamic.

00:37:12.900 And at that time, the Chinese Navy, as you remember, in the late 70s, the moral equivalent of just junks and sandpacks.

00:37:20.520 I mean, it was it was nothing. Right.

00:37:22.720 but the dynamism in the in just the scale of it you could tell and that's why i wanted to join the

00:37:30.100 pacific fleet given the the you know nimitz and bull halsey and all the great you know midway

00:37:34.340 everything as a kid you'd read about you know particularly coming from norfolk virginia you

00:37:39.400 read about the the the war in the pacific it was just i had to get there and you get there and you 0.83

00:37:44.040 realize china is just so massive and it's just going to be such a dominant issue with the united

00:37:50.060 States. It was so evident. And you get back to the Pentagon in the early 80s. It was never

00:37:55.680 mentioned. It was just not talked about. It was everything was Russia. And you could say Soviet

00:38:00.980 Union. It was like the Soviet Union. And remember, it was it was Graham Allison and Kissinger's

00:38:08.240 original, you know, managed decline that the this is why the Naval War College taught the

00:38:13.280 Peloponnesian War. The whole managed decline was first the decline of the United States

00:38:18.180 versus the Soviet Union. 0.81

00:38:20.120 This is what they had sold people

00:38:21.560 until Reagan came on the scene.

00:38:23.500 This was kind of our policy

00:38:24.700 from Nixon all the way to Carter.

00:38:26.340 We had to have all these agreements,

00:38:27.580 SALT agreements,

00:38:28.200 because they're a dominant power. 0.68

00:38:30.080 And I'm sitting there going,

00:38:31.660 man, this is bizarre.

00:38:34.620 The thing we got to be focused on

00:38:36.300 is Asia and we're a Pacific nation.

00:38:38.440 And you can see this thing is exploding

00:38:41.360 and it's going to be so important

00:38:43.120 in the future.

00:38:43.860 But you're right.

00:38:45.520 They couldn't,

00:38:46.020 you couldn't convince anybody at the time.

00:38:47.880 and they all thought, you know, Kissinger and these guys,

00:38:49.880 this is why Allison and Kissinger have done so much damage, I believe.

00:38:53.720 It's not that you shouldn't study the Peloponnesian War.

00:38:55.780 It's obviously something should be studied.

00:38:58.220 But we're not a declining power.

00:39:00.280 If we're a declining power, Jim, it's a decision we make.

00:39:03.380 And this is why, you see, what Laura Loomer did is show you the decisions elites make

00:39:08.420 when they believe you're a declining power.

00:39:11.620 The power of her tweet today, and that's why everybody should read it,

00:39:14.380 It shows you the conscious decisions of elites when they believe that they are a declining power.

00:39:21.500 Jim Fennell.

00:39:23.500 Yeah, I'm 100 percent agreement. 0.92

00:39:25.040 We have surrendered intellectually to this notion that the Chinese Communist Party has some inevitability to be the next global power. 0.71

00:39:35.480 And that's only because, as you said, we surrender that right. 0.81

00:39:38.860 That doesn't mean we have to be domineering and everything, but we cannot accede to a system like the Chinese Communist Party, which wants to collectivize the world, put us under some kind of AI system, and completely make us devoid of human individual liberty and freedom and autonomy and responsibility. 0.84

00:39:59.680 They want to control us. And it's scary to me. And coming from the fleet like you did, you come back and you run into this, what's going on? Nobody's talking about it. And so that was 20 years ago. People are talking about it now. I think that things have changed. But the real issue is, what are we going to do about it? 0.89

00:40:20.480 The actions that need to be taken can't be one degree here, one degree there. These are the kind of action and decisions that came to guys like Carl Vinson in the late 30s with the Navy Ocean Act, the Two Ocean Navy Act in 1940.

00:40:39.180 We have to do something significant to prepare ourselves for what's coming.

00:40:44.800 And it's coming across not just naval issues, it's across the board.

00:40:48.220 You're talking about AI, you can talk about cyber, you can talk about economics, you can

00:40:53.100 talk about bioweapons and medical, pharmaceuticals, you can talk about rare earth elements, you

00:40:58.500 can talk about education.

00:41:00.260 Across the board, they're preparing to attack us.

00:41:04.280 And they don't want to have to do it kinetically.

00:41:07.240 They'd rather have us just put us in a sleeper lock and let us just pass out and they get to have everything.

00:41:12.740 But we shouldn't allow that to happen because the future will not be a future that will be very pleasant. 0.93

00:41:19.080 And as you pointed out earlier in the show, millions of people have died as a result of the kinds of leadership that the Chinese Communist Party will be willing to inflict on people. 0.86

00:41:30.960 OK, hang on for a second, Jim. I just want to hold you through the break. 0.89

00:41:33.920 we will conclude this conversation

00:41:36.480 in a moment

00:41:37.940 we're going to have grassroots tonight, we're going to have

00:41:39.960 Philip Patrick tonight, we're going to update on the deal

00:41:42.040 I'm going to try to do, I'm talking to Eric Bowling

00:41:44.000 right now, but hopefully doing a transition on his show

00:41:46.040 so we can talk about it, he's going through the deal right now

00:41:48.160 also the market, I told you

00:41:49.780 the market, $77 a barrel

00:41:52.000 back up to $90

00:41:53.180 because they're going through this deal also, so we'll go through

00:41:55.860 all of it, talk to Philip Patrick

00:41:57.880 about gold

00:41:59.900 physical gold, remember the dollar

00:42:02.000 gets stronger as you have these geopolitical

00:42:03.860 aspects, but it's just compared to fiat currency, where it's the world's tallest midget.

00:42:10.840 The important things is how does it compare in purchasing power to physical assets like

00:42:15.720 real estate and precious metals?

00:42:17.960 We'll get into that tonight.

00:42:19.280 Short break.

00:42:23.640 Here's your host, Stephen K.

00:42:25.720 Band.

00:42:27.420 Just remember in the 1950s, that kind of golden age of Pax Americana, where if you remember

00:42:32.360 the old black and white you got mickey mantle and the great summers and you know elvis the beginning

00:42:37.660 of rock and roll and all this you know the the fondness the fond memories people have the 1950s

00:42:42.760 the chinese communist party since we tossed the keys to them the communist in the state department

00:42:48.200 and general marshall and his naivete tossed the keys to the chinese communist party they started 0.82

00:42:53.700 the process of murdering 250 million of their own citizens then one time mao said about nuclear 0.69

00:43:02.020 and deterrence, he said, well, hey, if we got hit, how many people would die?

00:43:05.220 He said, oh, 100 million.

00:43:06.600 This is the time I think there were 450 million Chinese.

00:43:09.160 He goes, that's not a problem.

00:43:09.940 We've produced that in a couple of decades.

00:43:12.000 Not a problem.

00:43:12.660 That's what it takes to win a nuclear war where we can take a couple of hits.

00:43:16.640 It's a totally different mindset. 0.88

00:43:19.580 The Chinese Communist Party are not like us.

00:43:21.600 They're not the beginning of Jeffersonian Democrats.

00:43:25.880 This whole agrarian populist revolution was a bald-faced lie

00:43:29.260 that communists in our government were able to foist on in the media,

00:43:35.040 in the media, Edgar Snow, Theodore White, Thunder Out of China,

00:43:39.720 Red Star of China, all of it, all propaganda, all of it, bald-faced lies.

00:43:45.480 And I have a lot of respect for Theodore White, but on that one,

00:43:48.440 bought it hook, line, and sinker.

00:43:49.460 Jim, you just wrote a big piece for the Naval Institute

00:43:53.740 about the People's Liberation Navy.

00:43:55.600 Where do people go to get all your writing, sir?

00:43:57.360 yes steve uh i write annual review of the pla navy for u.s naval institute proceedings

00:44:04.940 this last one is called going nuclear getting bigger going beyond and then i occasionally

00:44:11.080 write for american greatness i've been kind of off the net for a while a bit since this epic

00:44:15.900 fury started but uh try to get my fingers in those two publications oh american greatness

00:44:22.820 This is the one that had the hit piece on Stephen K. Bannon because he says, oh, he's thwarting President Trump's smart industrial policy of the guys around him about working with the Chinese Communist Party.

00:44:33.420 No, American greatness. You can put out all the hit pieces you want. We're not going to get off this, that the Chinese Communist Party is the central enemy of the Chinese people of Lao Beijing and the American people.

00:44:45.440 And no, we should not have any cooperation. 0.86

00:44:47.800 It should be total and complete decoupling and bring the Chinese Communist Party to its knees and allow Beijing do the rest. 0.92

00:44:56.280 Captain Fennell, thank you so much. Appreciate you spend the morning with us. 0.93

00:44:59.980 Thank you. Have a good weekend.

00:45:01.900 I want to thank Laura. I want to thank Laura.

00:45:04.140 Oh, man, I'm going to come back to you. I'm going to try to get you on tomorrow to talk about this deal.

00:45:08.120 I want to thank Laura Malumer for that tweet, laying it out.

00:45:10.460 I want everybody to read it and pass it on.

00:45:13.560 It's service to the country.

00:45:15.440 Speaking of service to the country, we have Mike Lindell.

00:45:18.380 Mike Lindell, you're up in Minnesota.

00:45:21.020 I don't even understand the process.

00:45:22.680 You guys have conventions.

00:45:24.160 You have primaries.

00:45:25.680 What in the hell is going on?

00:45:26.560 Can't they just designate you governor right now, sir?

00:45:30.440 Yeah, Steve, here I am at the Duluth Convention Center,

00:45:33.580 where I did many pillow shows for years and years and years up here,

00:45:37.560 and everybody's setting up.

00:45:39.820 Tonight we have a big governor debate on stage,

00:45:42.600 But I think the Minnesota media is really going to show up, Steve, and actually maybe cover some of my speeches.

00:45:50.640 And anyway, what it is, everybody, this is basically our primary.

00:45:54.800 It's kind of like these 2,400 delegates pick their endorsement, endorsed candidate, and they want everybody else to drop out.

00:46:02.900 I'm not dropping out.

00:46:04.360 We're going right to beat Amy Klobuchar.

00:46:06.680 I'm polling number one.

00:46:08.300 And so hopefully that, you know, we if I win, if I get the GOP endorsement, then they all join me on Monday and we spend all summer long going right for Klobuchar rather than fighting each other during the primary.

00:46:22.760 That is until August. Then you only have two weeks to campaign before you can start voting in Minnesota.

00:46:28.760 It's really set up here for more Democrats to win.

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00:48:41.800 the debate tonight at the Minnesota convention,

00:48:44.180 might go back to work.

00:48:45.760 Thank you.

00:48:46.400 And we'll see you today at five,

00:48:47.640 hopefully.

00:48:48.780 All right.

00:48:49.340 Thanks Steve.

00:48:50.240 Mike Lindell, given as good as he gets there, they're trying to chop block him, but it's not going to be chop block.

00:48:57.040 Two things, Kelsey, the predictive markets, wait for this.

00:49:01.080 The Hill newspaper has, I'll get this up this afternoon, the Hill newspaper has this thing, a big headline.

00:49:07.020 Bannon says Senate race in Texas to win is going to be very tough.

00:49:12.220 You're damn right.

00:49:13.340 We're going to win, and as I said in that article, instead of on the show, five and a half points.

00:49:17.940 Cal C's coming out, the predictive market.

00:49:19.860 They're not always right, but they've got a pretty good record.

00:49:22.880 60-40.

00:49:25.200 60-40.

00:49:26.620 That's Pax and a 60.

00:49:28.600 And what may worry, Alfred E. Tallarico.

00:49:33.380 I got a thing up.

00:49:34.480 He's eating a big hunk of beef or something.

00:49:36.240 You know, he's got a big beef stick or something with a Texas shirt on.

00:49:41.920 They're trying to make him like a man. 0.98

00:49:43.620 No, he is a weirdo. 0.93

00:49:46.380 Alfred E. Tallarico. 0.64

00:49:48.220 What, me vegan?

00:49:52.460 Paxson at 60%.

00:49:53.660 Check that out.

00:49:55.540 Paxson's going to win this.

00:49:56.920 They're not going to need $300 million.

00:49:58.920 Paxson and the grassroots in Texas are going to put their shoulder to the wheel and have a blowout win in November. 0.78

00:50:04.480 And the Senate Leadership Fund and John Thune and all those guys up on Capitol Hill can suck on that. 1.00

00:50:08.640 If you want to win in November and hold the Senate, get off your ass. 1.00

00:50:14.320 Let's get to work up here now, now, now. 1.00

00:50:18.260 Charlie Kirk's next.

00:50:19.140 We'll see you back here at 5.

Bannon's War Room - May 28, 2026

Episode 5405： Turning The US Into A Massive AI Gamble

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