Bannon's War Room - Episode 5411： EVOLUTION： The Birth of the Greatest Nation in the History of the World

00:00:00.000 this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going to

00:00:09.680 medieval on these people here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people

00:00:16.280 the people have had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to

00:00:20.340 do everything in the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen

00:00:23.460 And where do people like that go to share the big line?

00:00:27.060 MAGA Media.

00:00:27.980 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:33.900 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:37.600 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:44.020 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

00:00:50.380 Saturday, 30 May, Year of Our Lord, 2026.

00:00:53.080 Let's get an update. Eric McTask is going to join us here momentarily, but I want to get a quick update on what the mainstream media is saying.

00:01:00.220 They're misrepresentations and spin about the Iran war. Let's hit that.

00:01:05.560 After saying he was going to the Situation Room to make what he called the final determination on a potential deal to end the conflict with Iran,

00:01:12.200 the president emerged this afternoon with nothing to announce.

00:01:15.260 Several hours later at 6 p.m., the White House put out the following brief statement.

00:01:18.200 The Situation Room meeting has concluded. It lasted approximately two hours.

00:01:22.160 President Trump will only make a deal that is good for America and satisfies his red lines.

00:01:26.580 Iran can never possess a nuclear weapon.

00:01:28.900 They've said nothing since.

00:01:30.120 Meanwhile, as for what the U.S. could be facing, should all-out fighting resume,

00:01:33.560 a new CNN analysis shows that Iran is quickly digging out its vast underground missile arsenal,

00:01:38.640 which was buried by American and Israeli airstrikes.

00:01:41.620 CNN's Tamara Kablaoui reports.

00:01:46.340 These are recent satellite images of Iran's missile bases,

00:01:49.820 taken after the start of the ceasefire with the U.S. and Israel.

00:01:54.760 Dump trucks and excavators digging through piles of rubble along the mountainside.

00:01:59.620 But it's what lies beneath the surface that makes this significant.

00:02:03.980 A vast stockpile of missiles, trapped by U.S. bombs and likely intact, according to weapons experts.

00:02:11.020 With satellite images showing Iran quickly regaining access to them. 0.56

00:02:15.440 casting doubts on U.S. President Donald Trump's claims of having all but vanquished Iran's

00:02:20.980 formidable rocket arsenal. It's very, very clearly what our expectations are. And that's 0.96

00:02:25.800 on the negotiating team to deliver. They're coming in our direction. The talks have been

00:02:31.020 productive. I think they know where it needs to go. And I'm quite confident with this,

00:02:37.760 with our president, who makes nothing but great deals that ultimately it'll be something he's

00:02:42.800 proud to do okay let me um uh let me jump in here president trump went for a couple hours yesterday

00:02:49.960 and i think as i told you in the show i've had a clip i said hey he can go down the situation room

00:02:55.660 if what's on the table is president trump downstroking a 12 billion dollar check

00:02:59.780 i don't care whose money it's out of to these guys to the moolahs i don't think you're gonna

00:03:05.140 get a deal this afternoon i think president trump has been chewing a lot of this and at least

00:03:09.880 some of the leaks because we haven't really seen the entire deal but the times division

00:03:16.400 the new york times they said they had this and drudge put it up as their main link because when

00:03:20.640 i saw it i said this is not going to be acceptable president trump 300 billion dollar investment

00:03:25.600 fund now it it implies the united states is not putting up the money but it's 300 billion dollars

00:03:30.320 so i i think there's a you know they're gonna have to chop some wood here

00:03:35.540 to get people, to get the Mullahs and the Ayatollah,

00:03:41.680 the son of the Ayatollah, and, of course,

00:03:43.240 the new command structure of the Revolutionary Guard

00:03:46.020 to get their minds right about what is really doable

00:03:49.280 and what's not doable.

00:03:50.400 Eric Metaxas joins us.

00:03:51.760 Eric, I've got you on here this morning

00:03:54.440 because we've got to talk about this monumental magnum opus

00:03:58.720 that you have done about the revolution.

00:04:01.060 But just your thoughts so far.

00:04:02.320 You've been pretty vocal about this war in Iran.

00:04:05.960 Where do you think we stand now?

00:04:07.520 How do you like the position we're in?

00:04:09.480 And what do you see a path forward for the president?

00:04:13.020 Listen, you know this better than I do.

00:04:15.660 And your audience knows this.

00:04:17.760 But Donald Trump, because he is so smart and so canny and such a brilliant dealmaker,

00:04:23.740 he will never tell us what he's actually doing because he wants to actually get it done.

00:04:30.220 So he's less worried about CNN freaking out about his messaging.

00:04:35.860 His goal in the confusing messaging is to confuse deliberately.

00:04:41.000 He knows what he's doing.

00:04:42.780 And it's just kind of amazing to me that even people who generally trust him, they get freaked out.

00:04:48.680 I don't I'm not worried about this president.

00:04:52.220 This president invented the idea of not having forever wars.

00:04:55.660 We forget where we got it from in 2016.

00:04:57.540 He was the one that, you know, broke that wall and made everybody say, oh, yeah, we've been getting it wrong.

00:05:04.600 So I'm not worried. We're going to be in a forever war. Is it difficult?

00:05:08.600 Of course it's difficult. But I trust him.

00:05:12.220 I don't think he's being led by the nose by anybody. God forbid.

00:05:14.940 Are you concerned, given the success of the initial raids in decapitation, the original Ayatollah is gone? 0.84

00:05:24.220 You've got some version of what's left of a son. 0.99

00:05:26.720 You've got a bunch of new moolahs.

00:05:28.640 You've got a new group basically at the Revolutionary Guard.

00:05:34.940 I think they took some of these guys down to the brigade level.

00:05:38.040 And they don't seem like they're getting more.

00:05:40.020 The farther you go down the food chain there, you don't get closer to Jeffersonian Democrats.

00:05:45.200 And you've seen the dissension in the country.

00:05:48.680 Are you concerned that there's nobody, one, even to make a deal, but more importantly, nobody to execute?

00:05:53.920 Because I keep saying, hey, the guys on the – having been in Hormuz in the Persian Gulf, when you look over there to Iran, those guys don't – those guys on those cliffs don't report to anybody.

00:06:04.400 Are you concerned that President Trump, being a master dealmaker, always helps to have a she on the other side or somebody on the other side you can deal with? 0.50

00:06:13.020 Do you think we decapitate them so much there's nobody to deal with? 0.99

00:06:17.100 Well, listen, I think that would be a good thing. 0.98

00:06:19.600 I think we could decapitate them down so that there's no heads left and then the people can rise up. 0.95

00:06:24.240 To me, that would be the greatest thing if somehow I don't know if this is back channeling, if we are getting them guns or Israel is getting them guns. 0.99

00:06:32.260 But the point is, we want the people to rise up against these satanic, theocratic monsters that have been there for 47 years.

00:06:40.500 And, you know, and I know, Steve, we can't do that.

00:06:43.720 America can't do that, but we can help how we help.

00:06:46.660 I don't know. I trust the president is on it.

00:06:49.200 But the people of Iran have to rise up. That's the only way forward. I mean, we can't go forward with these mullahs don't know how not to lie. So whatever deal we make or whatever, it's just nonsense. We're dealing with the devil here. He's not going to tell us the truth, you know, unless he'll say it. It'll be true one second. The next second, he'll change it. So, yeah, it's dark. And I know that I don't know enough to say more than that.

00:07:15.520 you spent years researching and writing i think the previous book i think you might have one or

00:07:22.460 two in the interim but your huge book that was a monster bestseller bonhoeffer um and there you

00:07:28.640 had a situation where about people rising up and rising up some mass in some mass way why didn't

00:07:36.100 it happen in germany you had people like bonhoeffer you had some great spiritual leaders but you didn't

00:07:40.360 have a mass uprising. You had certain elements that wouldn't go along with the regime. You had

00:07:48.280 some that tried to- It's the exact same reason many so-called Christians in America allowed 0.84

00:07:56.540 leftist lunatics to take over our government and COVID lockdowns, stolen election. I mean, 0.84

00:08:04.220 evil is evil. And I think that you need enough people, and this is why the American Revolution

00:08:10.340 succeeded. You need enough people, just enough to know what is right and to be heroic and selfless

00:08:19.960 and act and frankly, trust God with the results. You fight, you risk everything and you trust God

00:08:26.240 with the results. In Germany in the 30s, you know, and my mom, you know, who I talk to every day,

00:08:32.000 she's almost 92. She grew up in Nazi Germany. My family lived through this. There were plenty

00:08:38.540 German people that hated Hitler, but there weren't enough willing to stand up, brave enough to stand

00:08:44.320 up. If there had been, and there could have been, and that's the story of Bonhoeffer, then they 0.56

00:08:49.600 could have overthrown that regime. But the churches counseled, oh, we don't do politics. We just want

00:08:56.100 to have a nice church service on Sunday. Well, if that's what you want, you're working for the devil.

00:09:00.040 When you go to church, you're working for the devil if you're not doing what God wants you to

00:09:04.020 do in that moment. And so that kind of dead religious, that dead religious Christianity 0.99

00:09:09.920 in the negative sense, where you're not willing to live out your Christian faith 24-7, seven days 0.91

00:09:16.220 a week, heroically, you know, if you're not willing to do that, the bad guys win. And we see 0.93

00:09:22.140 that we came to the lip of the abyss in this country. God miraculously saved Donald Trump's

00:09:27.320 life you know just like uh in the american revolution you know god works miraculously

00:09:34.180 but he doesn't do everything for you he kind of you know he he he he does what's necessary and

00:09:40.440 then we have to follow through and be heroic and he tests our faith do we really believe

00:09:45.580 human sacred cause human agency so first let's get the cover of this book up this is not a book

00:09:53.500 about the american revolution this is the book brother i don't know you've got i don't know how

00:09:59.640 you found the time this book is a grand slam home run if folks have you got one book to buy

00:10:05.700 about the revolution and you want to get something definitive that's got maps and pictures and

00:10:10.800 vignettes of the of the and talks about battles in the process and the spiritual and intellectual

00:10:15.440 underpinnings of it this is the book first off metaxas how long did it take you to research

00:10:21.560 and to write this book.

00:10:23.320 This book is magnificent.

00:10:24.780 I'm so proud of your imprint and Tony Lyons,

00:10:28.420 the other people that we work with on books all the time

00:10:30.760 for doing this, because this is a,

00:10:32.960 the book is a work of art in and of itself.

00:10:35.060 How long of research and writing

00:10:36.800 and just pulling it together did it take you?

00:10:40.100 Well, for me, whatever the way I write,

00:10:42.540 people always ask me,

00:10:43.380 because I've written like, you know,

00:10:44.240 almost 20 books and people say,

00:10:45.420 how do you do it?

00:10:46.000 How do you, however I do it,

00:10:47.320 don't do it the way I did it.

00:10:48.740 You know, it's like Mickey Mantle.

00:10:49.840 Don't do what I did,

00:10:50.760 because I got it done, but it's not the way to do it.

00:10:54.820 Basically, you know, by the way, one thing I can tell you,

00:10:57.220 I didn't use AI, number one.

00:10:59.920 And you can tell from my writing, it's kind of quirky.

00:11:02.500 I, you know, I'm, that's what I think God created me to do

00:11:06.380 is to express myself in sentences.

00:11:08.680 And so I didn't use AI.

00:11:09.980 I didn't use any research team.

00:11:11.580 I did it all myself.

00:11:12.800 I don't know how else to do it.

00:11:14.980 So I just read, you know, whatever,

00:11:17.880 dozens and dozens of books.

00:11:19.860 I read everything I could get my hands on because, you know, you want to know I'm wise 0.98

00:11:24.660 enough to know that I'm foolish. 1.00

00:11:26.000 I'm smart enough to know that I'm dumb and ignorant. 0.99

00:11:28.020 So I just read everything so I can get the scholarly consensus. 0.98

00:11:32.780 And I knew that somebody needs to tell the story of the birth of this nation 250 years

00:11:39.180 ago in a definitive way to tell the whole story in one book because there's zillions

00:11:44.100 of books on the revolution.

00:11:45.400 But most Americans don't really know these stories.

00:11:49.200 And I didn't know a lot of it, and I'd forgotten a lot of it.

00:11:52.240 And I said, this is a crime.

00:11:54.100 We have a debt to those who died and suffered for our liberties, and especially the men

00:11:59.900 of the revolution, tremendous heroes.

00:12:02.020 We have a debt to them to know their names, to know their stories.

00:12:05.500 This is a debt we owe to them.

00:12:06.980 And so I said, I just want to write the story.

00:12:09.440 And people kept saying, what's your angle?

00:12:11.220 And I said, I have no angle.

00:12:12.940 I just want to write the story because these are, as you know, amazing stories, crazy

00:12:19.180 beautiful miraculous uh incredible heroes a couple of despicable villains this story needs to be

00:12:26.540 told the stories need to be told so I just said I want to tell it straight and by the way if you

00:12:30.540 tell a story straight you're going to ruffle feathers because there have been people telling

00:12:34.700 it crooked for a long time and that was the crazy thing is as I did the research more and more and

00:12:39.760 more stuff came out I thought I haven't heard this they're not teaching this in schools this is not

00:12:45.480 in the culture what actually happened you almost never hear it anymore so it's one thing to hear

00:12:50.580 anything about this I mean Ken Burns did this PBS series which in many ways was was terrible like

00:12:57.500 really how can you make this epic heroic story it's like it's like making a film Rocky starring

00:13:04.680 Sylvester Stallone and it's kind of like I didn't know who to root for if you don't know who to root

00:13:09.580 for you didn't tell the story there's a hero the story of the birth of America is an amazing

00:13:15.240 I mean, truly, it's not only amazing, it's unprecedented in the history of the world.

00:13:20.560 You have to go back to the Sinai covenant, the Israelites in the wilderness making a covenant with God.

00:13:25.960 We're going to we're going to govern ourselves.

00:13:28.320 It's so unprecedented what happened 250 years ago.

00:13:32.440 So it's an amazing story.

00:13:34.260 But as you could guess, the leftists have taken over the education system, the cultural world in which we live.

00:13:40.640 And they have pushed God out.

00:13:43.300 when i did the original research i was just blown away everywhere you look every single one of the

00:13:51.420 founders including the least religious franklin and jefferson they all got the narrative uh it's

00:13:57.480 yes it's almost unbelievable and i'm glad if you of all people would praise the book as you just

00:14:03.280 did i mean i wanted it to be definitive i want it to be the book that you just read this it's all in

00:14:08.220 here it's it's 600 pages it's a page turner um it's got maps charts vignettes and the thing that

00:14:17.720 you brought up that i think is so important in their eyes this was a sacred cause yes the search

00:14:25.880 for liberty the search for liberty was a sacred cause we're gonna take a short commercial break

00:14:30.080 eric metaxas the book is revolution it's incredible the story the birth of the greatest

00:14:37.420 nation in the history of the world. The birth of the greatest nation in the history of the world.

00:14:44.620 You will not be able to put this book down. Short commercial break. Eric Metaxas on the other side.

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00:16:25.980 I talked about earlier how they're trying to confuse you

00:16:32.320 and have a misdirection play in psyops in this summer of love

00:16:35.900 because it's going to get very heated.

00:16:37.860 What's happening in New Jersey is just the opening salvo,

00:16:40.820 and that's where they picked Memorial Day,

00:16:43.540 when this audience, we commemorated the honored dead at Arlington

00:16:48.320 and all the, you know, we spent time.

00:16:50.840 Jim Rickards, remember Rickards came on, talked about his dead at 17 years old,

00:16:54.420 was at Peleliu.

00:16:56.640 We talked to Mark Noah, who's spent his life,

00:17:00.900 dedicated his life to bringing back the remains of the Americans at Terawa.

00:17:05.900 these are patriots and heroes they're trying to sap your strength this is why i did this whole

00:17:12.280 thing with brian kennedy and harnwell's going to join me shortly they're trying to sap your strength

00:17:16.220 if you want to renew that strength it's a book like revolution this is why this is kind of

00:17:23.840 providential metaxas and i'm serious about that 600 pages you tell the story like nobody else

00:17:29.320 it's got maps charts uh all of it it's one-stop shop but it's one-stop shop when you finish even

00:17:37.860 every time you put it down you you feel energized you feel i got it yes i am connected back to that

00:17:45.320 i'm connected back to that through every patriot's grave yes i'm one of them and and and they knew

00:17:51.880 when they were doing this there would be people like this audience that would follow them and

00:17:56.620 would fight for this country and this is why we're at a decision point in this country right now for

00:18:00.360 people that hate this republic and people that love it that's what this book is an energizer

00:18:05.220 right now and you can tap you don't have to read it one one fell swoop although i will say i took

00:18:10.300 a weekend and read it memorial day weekend as soon as i got my copy i read it um talk to me how did

00:18:17.860 you come how did because the sacred cause comes up through the pages you didn't start you didn't

00:18:23.060 start with that as your intellectual construct. That came up to you as you researched? No, no,

00:18:27.620 no. That's what I'm saying. It's like, I just wanted to tell, listen, I'm a patriot. I love

00:18:32.520 this country. And I know that most people our age and younger have not heard the story of the

00:18:38.580 country. I said, somebody needs to write a book because I looked around and there wasn't one.

00:18:42.260 I mean, there's a million books, but none of them tells the whole story. Certainly from the angle

00:18:47.720 that, you know, people listening to us right now would want the true story, right? So I said,

00:18:53.840 I got to do that, but I have no angle. But as I did my research, it's unbelievable. It's insane.

00:19:00.480 Everywhere you look, you see God's hand in the creation of this country. It is inescapable. I

00:19:08.200 don't care if you hate God, if you hate Christians, you got to deal with the facts. John Adams coined

00:19:13.820 the phrase, facts are stubborn things. The facts are incontrovertible everywhere you look. And not

00:19:19.540 only that, Steve, but all of these men understood it. People like Ken Burns and others, they dared

00:19:26.560 to say these were deists. They dared to say George Washington was a deist. That is baloney. It is a

00:19:34.360 vile lie. Every one of them, especially George Washington, knew this is a sacred cause. This is

00:19:41.700 God's hand in history, and that if we fight God's way, not the way the British fight, because they 0.90

00:19:47.700 were barbaric monsters like the Nazis and the Japanese in World War II, they were evil, barbaric, 0.75

00:19:54.660 we're not going to stoop to that. We're going to fight God's way, and if we do that, 0.80

00:19:59.560 God will give us the victory. That's called faith in action, and that's, I mean, nobody more than

00:20:06.120 Washington, John Adams. Oh, my gosh. And then there's a host of figures whose names every

00:20:11.980 American should know. We should be ashamed if we don't know their names and their stories from John

00:20:15.860 Knox, Nathan Hale, Dr. Joseph Warren, Paul Revere. Amazing, amazing heroes. And again, they all got

00:20:25.080 this. They weren't kind of like, oh, well, whatever. We don't like the king. They knew what the French

00:20:31.040 revolutionists didn't know, that we're going to get rid of the king. But guess what? We're going

00:20:35.280 to replace the king with the capital S sovereign, the king of kings. We're going to look to God 0.56

00:20:41.300 directly. And only if we do that, and again, they all understood this. If you don't agree with it,

00:20:47.340 that's fine. But you got to understand that's how they all saw it. Every one of them knew

00:20:50.680 that we're going to get rid of the monarch, George III. We're going to declare independence

00:20:54.720 from this king, and we're going to declare dependence on God. And we cannot do that

00:21:00.380 in a way that is, you know, overt. Like we can't say every American has to go to church because

00:21:07.360 we believe at the heart of everything in liberty, in religious liberty. So this is something that

00:21:13.100 people have to do themselves. The government can't force, the constitution can't compel you

00:21:17.420 to believe this set of principles or that it's all free, freedom. So it's a conundrum or rather

00:21:23.960 it's a paradox. They all understood this and every single one of them, the most famous quote

00:21:29.260 is probably John Adams, who, by the way, to me, he's the unsung hero of my book. I have such awe

00:21:35.000 and reverence for John Adams. He should be a thousand times more famous than Thomas Jefferson,

00:21:40.480 period. But Adams says that our Constitution is completely useless unless you have a religious 1.00

00:21:46.800 and moral people. So if the people don't get this, if the people don't say, I want to do the right

00:21:52.320 thing, the Constitution can't force them. So it's a paradox. And unless we understand this,

00:21:59.260 we cannot possibly prevail. So I really do believe that it's God's will that we prevail.

00:22:04.020 I haven't heard anybody say this besides me, except for you, Steve Bannon. I have said for a

00:22:11.500 few years, we're in the third existential crisis of our history. The first is the revolution,

00:22:15.180 the second is the civil war. We are now in the third existential crisis. The first one was

00:22:19.840 Washington. The first one was Lincoln. Donald Trump has been appointed by God to lead us through 0.50

00:22:27.640 this war that we're in. And I believe just as in the previous two existential crises,

00:22:33.040 we will prevail, but we are in a war. It's a spiritual war. It's a political war. It's not

00:22:38.480 a hot war, but we are in a war for survival. And the odds say we should lose, but if God says we

00:22:47.320 should win and there are enough patriots willing to sacrifice and willing to understand this,

00:22:51.880 than will prevail and you you've been a huge force in that rallying the troops and i just uh you know

00:22:58.280 i feel honored to talk to you and i feel really honored that you appreciate my book as i hoped it

00:23:02.480 might be appreciated because that's a big deal to me when you're writing a book like this you think

00:23:06.760 you're gonna die you know you think lord am i gonna get it done it can't i can't give a higher

00:23:11.480 recommendation and um particularly now because the book shows you something i that if we don't

00:23:18.660 It's all about God works, not in some mysterious way.

00:23:22.520 He works through human agency.

00:23:24.220 He works through you.

00:23:25.100 He works through every individual in this book.

00:23:26.800 You can tell how God works through him.

00:23:28.640 Divine providence works through him.

00:23:30.340 And they knew that.

00:23:32.040 They knew about their agency.

00:23:33.160 And if you don't quit, if you don't quit, we're going to win.

00:23:37.380 And that's why it's so important for this summer.

00:23:39.840 This is going to get a lot tougher.

00:23:42.380 We haven't gone through the hard part yet.

00:23:44.660 We're going to go through the hard part, and we are going to prevail.

00:23:48.660 But it's not going to be without sacrifice, and it's not going to be without some very, very ugly moments.

00:23:54.220 One thing about your book is you don't hide the ugliness.

00:23:57.740 The revolution was a revolution and a civil war at the same time.

00:24:00.660 Remember, 80% of the people were not signed up for this at the beginning.

00:24:05.300 And you can tell this in the pages of the book.

00:24:06.940 You had a civil war going on with a revolution at the same time and a war of independence.

00:24:12.700 this is why it gets this is why you know and people were changing sides and you know just

00:24:18.840 like you know you had tories but you had the people in the middle just like you had the people

00:24:21.840 in the middle of the country right you know they're just kind of sitting there seeing what

00:24:24.380 side wins i mean look that's what i wrote about in bonhoeffer in nazi germany you had people just

00:24:30.360 sitting around thinking like you know what i don't want any trouble i just want to have a nice life

00:24:34.920 i'm not going to speak up let those hotheads speak up well those hotheads are the heroes that

00:24:39.760 we revere today and everybody who sat in the middle if you're sitting on the fence the devil

00:24:44.580 owns the fence you're working for him so if you're not in this fight willing to risk it all

00:24:49.460 you're working for the dark side and there are plenty people in this country we know it and 0.92

00:24:53.500 there were in the revolution tons of people and this is to me the funniest thing about the Ken 0.97

00:24:58.100 Burns PBS thing which I can't recommend of course because it's it's sad and boring but he sort of

00:25:03.800 laments the Tories the people that that are working for the other side he's kind of like oh it's so

00:25:09.660 sad. It's like, yeah, if you side with Hitler, you know, life may not work out in the end. 1945,

00:25:17.160 it's not going to look good for you. It's almost funny to me. But the heroes in this book, I got 0.77

00:25:21.600 to say, I want to cry. I mean, Nathan Hale, one of the finest young Christian men ever to walk

00:25:28.360 the earth. His story, I have a chapter on Nathan Hale. The Ken Burns PBS thing gave him 10 seconds,

00:25:35.400 10 seconds mentioned him and then went back to talking about the oneida indians and the mohawks 0.94

00:25:41.760 like bizarre bizarre absolutely it's like the the marxist pbs version of the revolution so

00:25:47.840 here's what i'll do i want people to get the book uh you're gonna tell us where we go get it

00:25:52.620 revolution the birth of the greatest nation in the history of the world a new accounting

00:25:58.360 by eric metaxas the author of the million selling bonhoeffer i want you to come on either

00:26:04.800 or every couple of days, at least once a week,

00:26:06.620 we're going to take a vignette to energize people

00:26:09.240 because they don't want to give it all away.

00:26:11.120 I do want people to buy it.

00:26:12.120 But I will tell you, in the summer of our discontent,

00:26:16.060 and this summer is going to be a summer of love,

00:26:17.940 just like 2020, 100%.

00:26:20.140 They understand how they've got to stop the Trump movement,

00:26:23.160 and they're going to try to do it at the ballot box,

00:26:24.900 but there's going to be a lot of activity in the streets.

00:26:28.360 And you see this in New Jersey on Memorial Day,

00:26:30.920 the very day when they start understanding

00:26:32.480 this war is going to get wound down by President Trump. They got to have something else on Memorial

00:26:37.260 Day when you are out there honoring our sacred dead. They're starting this this this revolution

00:26:44.500 back in the streets of Newark. Eric, what's your social media? Where do they go get the book

00:26:48.440 today to buy it? And by the way, I beg you shamelessly to buy it today. The first week

00:26:54.980 is everything. It's like a film opening. Please, because if this book doesn't succeed tremendously,

00:27:01.220 all the other stuff succeeds there's so much garbage out there it just my name eric metaxas

00:27:07.240 dot com uh if you can spell it eric metaxas dot com is probably the best place uh you can buy it

00:27:14.020 you know wherever you want to buy it but i do shamelessly beg people please buy it today it

00:27:19.120 just makes the biggest difference and uh you know if if they go to your site and buy it does the

00:27:26.760 New York Times count that for the bestseller, or they have to go to Amazon?

00:27:30.520 Oh, no, no, no.

00:27:31.200 If you go to my site, you'll be getting it through Amazon, through Barnes & Noble, through

00:27:35.020 Books A Million.

00:27:35.920 We're not selling it ourselves.

00:27:37.460 You've got to get it through.

00:27:38.340 And you get it anywhere you want to get it.

00:27:39.980 But just the easiest place is ericmetaxas.com.

00:27:43.220 Buy it this weekend.

00:27:43.620 And obviously, I'm all over social media.

00:27:46.860 We'll put your social media up.

00:27:48.300 Eric, magnificent job.

00:27:50.520 Honored to have you on here.

00:27:51.320 Look forward to having you on back next week.

00:27:53.080 We're going to sell some more books then.

00:27:54.740 Thank you, sir.

00:27:55.280 I look forward to that, Steve.

00:27:56.360 God bless you. God bless America. Thanks, brother. This book is a epic, tells an epic story.

00:28:06.200 And here's the amazing thing. Before this starts, so many of the people are ordinary Americans or

00:28:13.220 ordinary colonists that come to the rebel cause. Don't miss it. Go to Amazon or Metaxa site today.

00:28:20.780 get this book short break ben harnwell next war room here's your host stephen k man

00:28:26.880 okay welcome back um

00:28:32.300 ben harnwell first off ben give me your perspective right now of where do you think sitting in rome

00:28:41.560 the eternal city where where where are we on the um both ukraine and the iranian war where do you

00:28:49.800 Where do you think we are?

00:28:51.120 You've done a fantastic job in Ukraine.

00:28:53.820 We haven't gotten as involved in Iran as maybe we should have.

00:28:57.380 But President Trump clearly yesterday went in for the several hours into the situation room.

00:29:03.060 And, you know, I just don't see that he's going to be writing checks or somehow funding $12 billion to what's left of this regime.

00:29:13.820 And also Zelensky and Putin are still at it, hammering as hard as they can get.

00:29:19.320 But there's all kind of, you know, the Western media saying, hey, Zelensky's going on offense, Putin's going to collapse.

00:29:23.880 Your thoughts?

00:29:25.600 Well, the figure that I saw yesterday being quoted in the media was $300 billion in terms of investment and rebuilding of Iran,

00:29:36.380 if only the leaders will agree to his terms of the MOU.

00:29:42.120 I don't know if that's going to happen.

00:29:44.280 They say that everyone has a price.

00:29:46.300 so if that doesn't work then just nudge the figure up a bit and eventually they'll cave in

00:29:50.540 again i'm not sure that that's the iranians game on this but we'll we'll see it could simply come

00:29:55.820 down to a hard transfer of cash um but i don't see the i don't see any resolution i think what

00:30:03.180 the iranians fundamentally would be itching to get would be to reopen the straight for for the

00:30:09.280 two-month period that will be the 60-day leeway that the MOU allows for in order to negotiate

00:30:17.580 the permanent ceasefire, which they have no intention of doing, just using that to ship 0.51

00:30:27.340 out as much oil as they can, get Hoover up their cash back that's being frozen by the Americans

00:30:33.380 at the moment um and then dig in for the long term because even though president trump is 0.73

00:30:39.980 absolutely correct when he said a couple of days ago that the iranian regime is living off fumes 0.96

00:30:47.120 it won't be so long until the rest of the world is in exactly the same situation i'm sure you saw 0.94

00:30:52.980 today uh coming out of the oil industry that the reserves in the united states have never been the

00:30:58.820 oil reserves have never been so low um so you know america's a bit a bit more prepared for this

00:31:06.680 in this what what jim rickard's called the game of chicken but there's going to be an equalizing

00:31:12.920 point when uh when the desperation sits in on both sides and look you know i'm monitoring this like

00:31:19.340 nothing else i don't see an easy way out for either side um and i don't see an easy or quick

00:31:25.800 resolution for this. I think this is going to go on and on and on. The Iranians are pretty clear

00:31:31.040 that they're trying to push this through so that the consequences of Hormuz's closure are going to

00:31:37.020 impact against President Trump pretty badly in the midterms. That's obviously their game,

00:31:42.660 what they're trying to do here. They're using all the leverage that they can at their disposal.

00:31:46.760 And that's, I think, why they're showing a bit of an ankle right now in terms of the

00:31:52.780 the Memorandum of Understanding, but I don't think they're serious about the US's terms

00:32:00.920 in terms of handing over the refined nuclear material or not developing it, not developing new weapons.

00:32:09.040 Look, from their perspective, their entire government was wiped out from one day to the next by Israel and by the United States.

00:32:16.920 If you look at it from their perspective, it's pretty clear that they see a nuclear deterrent as essential in what is for them an existential fight to survive. 0.66

00:32:29.340 The Zelensky and Putin current status as you see it from Rome.

00:32:33.880 well again uh on this there's there's soundings coming out from the international media in and

00:32:41.340 around moscow saying that president putin is now um running out of resources as he hasn't been doing

00:32:49.640 thus far i'm not there in moscow i i don't know what the what the the the situation is on the

00:32:55.920 ground. But again, I think Moscow, backed up by Beijing, will do what they need to do in order

00:33:04.640 to see Zelensky out. It's absolutely clear from the Ukrainian perspective that the focus now of 0.65

00:33:11.460 the world has shifted, has done for quite some time, from Ukraine to the Middle East. And that

00:33:18.280 means that president zelensky is exposed now um as he's never been before it's emerged uh like i

00:33:26.760 think like a week or so ago that a lot of the pledged financial support um that the european

00:33:32.060 union was putting together in order to supply the weapons on the ground to um to to zelensky that

00:33:38.760 the funds there that were pledged have have dried up those that were given and many of the pledges

00:33:44.000 were never even made by his so-called European allies.

00:33:48.960 They're bailing, and at the moment the picture is being pushed by Germany

00:33:54.180 whether or not to allow the Ukraine's sort of pseudo-status 0.61

00:33:59.840 inside the European Union. 0.82

00:34:01.980 That's pretty much a sop, I think, to the remnant of Ukraine 0.77

00:34:06.100 that will be able to join the European Union. 0.74

00:34:08.880 So I think that is, as it has always been, a war of attrition, Steve,

00:34:13.080 and the resources to continue that fight

00:34:15.560 will sooner or later finish on the Ukrainian side

00:34:18.360 before they finish on the Russian side.

00:34:22.820 On the situation with artificial intelligence,

00:34:26.620 as you know, we've been kind of pushing

00:34:28.720 and making sure if there's an executive order,

00:34:30.760 we think there needs to be one.

00:34:31.820 It's got some sort of framework.

00:34:33.620 The big news, though, is the Pope jumped into this debate.

00:34:38.780 Correct me if I'm wrong.

00:34:39.700 You've gone back and looked at the encyclical.

00:34:41.720 43 000 words which is you know two-thirds the size of a book of like for a war room publishing or

00:34:48.340 with our partnership with skyhorse a lot of the contracts say 60 000 words same 70 75 000 but

00:34:54.500 this is almost uh book length uh you're telling me you've done an assessment of this

00:35:01.340 one what are your thoughts and two is was any of that written or influenced by artificial

00:35:08.020 intelligence it's the first thing i did when the text was released steve i fed it into my own

00:35:15.860 personal ai agent uh which for the full disclosure is chat gpt and i asked my ai to check to read

00:35:26.140 the whole of the text and to tell me whether the probability that any of that encyclical

00:35:32.460 was written using AI. And this is what ChatGPT said, having studied the whole text in that

00:35:41.260 fraction of the second it took. 0-10% chance that it was primarily generated by AI,

00:35:49.280 and near certainty that humans controlled the intellectual architecture. But this is the

00:35:54.000 headline steve 70 to 85 percent chance that ai tools assisted portions of composition

00:36:03.460 stroke editing i will leave that to the woman posse to away and to ponder right first off first

00:36:14.260 off i'm shocked i'm sure i'll have to renegotiate your contract i'm shocked that you have an eight

00:36:18.540 You have an AI agent.

00:36:20.620 As much as I rail against agentic AI, you've now disclosed you have your chat GPT AI agent.

00:36:30.900 But even more shocking, I guess that's maybe not quite as shocking as.

00:36:35.300 So are what you're saying, you think it's an 80% chance that actually there was AI tools used on this?

00:36:40.920 Is that what I'm saying?

00:36:42.660 Is that what you're saying?

00:36:43.800 No, it's not what I'm saying.

00:36:45.440 It's what chat GPT is saying.

00:36:48.540 I'm just passively passing this along.

00:36:52.680 This great encyclical condemning AI was in itself written with AI.

00:36:59.600 Look, for the record, for the record, for the record,

00:37:02.580 I know you and Joe Allen are pretty hardcore against these AI agents.

00:37:08.680 I do with my GPT exactly what Mike Allen and Jim Vanderhay every day in Axios say you shouldn't do.

00:37:16.200 You can go far beyond this.

00:37:18.540 I use it basically as how I used to use Google a couple of years ago.

00:37:22.800 If I wanted to know something, I would ask Google to, you know,

00:37:29.300 and it would come up with all those sort of itemized ranking orders of sources.

00:37:34.120 I actually don't use Google anymore.

00:37:36.320 I go to my chat GPT thing because the synthesis is so much more useful for me.

00:37:44.880 It means I can digest.

00:37:45.780 But but but but if you go to Google, you can't really use Google anymore. I mean, they've turned that. I'll get Joe in here next week to explain. They've turned that into artificial intelligence. You have to go so far down the page to get to a human. It's it's it's AI. And then it's a bunch of sponsored links related to AI. Is it not?

00:38:02.940 it is it is can i just say can i just say to you um what i said sure give apologies to the 0.92

00:38:09.440 woman posse um who followed the show that we did on wednesday when we were digesting the the

00:38:15.640 encyclical encyclical myself and frank walker from canon 212 and i'll just repeat basically

00:38:22.780 what i said there on this um because very important to me on this i think that the catholic church

00:38:30.300 the vatican should not have written this encyclical not because what it's saying is wrong

00:38:38.260 or out of place it's that it's really the job for the laity to be making these arguments

00:38:44.360 churchmen clerics have no special charism to be talking about ai no charism whatsoever no gift

00:38:53.360 from god basically that the laity itself doesn't have and steve i think you leading from the front

00:38:59.960 on this one, along with Joe Allen, indicate the truth of what I've just said. The problem

00:39:05.580 with AI, and I know it's more than, let's talk about the two things here, AI and transhumanism,

00:39:11.780 related but distinct, right? The problem with AI, it's a tool, fundamentally, it's more

00:39:17.660 than a tool, it represents an existential threat to humanity, but it is a tool, and

00:39:22.940 therefore it is directed by the human beings and their agency that employ it, point one. 0.63

00:39:28.840 Point two, transhumanism is an extension of the hubris that exists, pride as we say in Catholic theology, but hubris is the better word, which the Greeks understood, because that's more a direct challenging of God, or the gods, in Greek literature.

00:39:52.880 This is a hubris, an experiment in hubris, transhumanism 0.82

00:39:58.240 The antidote to hubris is faith in Jesus Christ 1.00

00:40:03.300 It is lowering yourself and understanding what you are and who you are in relationship with God 0.60

00:40:11.160 The Catholic Church, if it sees that the AI stroke transhumanist agenda is a threat to mankind 0.51

00:40:19.260 that what the Catholic Church should be doing is preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ

00:40:24.820 and not meddling in politics with a superficial political reading

00:40:29.740 and offering even more superficial political solutions

00:40:33.520 because this is fundamentally a spiritual battle

00:40:36.420 and the spiritual realm is where we need to be.

00:40:39.980 And that, I think, is why the Catholic Church has engaged on a missed opportunity on this one.

00:40:46.740 Strong words against the Catholic Church, but I think they're absolutely in place. The antidote to AI, the threats of AI and transhumanism is the gospel of Jesus Christ.

00:40:57.600 And lastly, I know we're heading to a break here. Just give me 30 seconds to make this point. I sent through to Denver an article in The Guardian, right? Americans echo Pope Leo's concerns about AI. It threatens workers, privacy and human life.

00:41:15.320 If the Pope was really interested in the condition of workers, he would be leading from the front in the anti-invasion agenda. He is not. He is leading from the front in favour of the invasion.

00:41:31.860 nothing has done more damage 0.77

00:41:34.380 to the working class 0.84

00:41:36.940 to the blue collar working class

00:41:38.260 in the United States and in England

00:41:39.660 than the invasion

00:41:40.900 pricing people out of work

00:41:43.620 and there is nothing there from the Pope

00:41:46.340 this is a fundamentally fraudulent activity

00:41:49.940 of the Vatican

00:41:50.640 I'll continue this after the book

00:41:52.300 and people should not be deceived

00:41:54.500 what the Vatican's agenda is on this

00:41:57.040 even if some of the things in this encyclical are right

00:41:59.760 Ben, hang on for a second

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00:42:28.820 because we're going to go through some choppy water on this Iran situation 1.00

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00:42:35.920 how they're going to string this along. 1.00

00:42:37.160 We're going to get Tej up here in a moment.

00:42:39.920 Ben, before you jump, and I give you the Wednesday,

00:42:44.980 you get all the Ben you need.

00:42:46.140 Now, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, in the 6 o'clock hour,

00:42:50.140 the show is on fire.

00:42:51.360 The feedback we've gotten is great.

00:42:52.600 I want to thank you for stepping in and saying, hey, I want to do this.

00:42:56.760 And I think we've got very different perspectives we can show in great new guests.

00:43:00.620 It's just been amazing, the content and the guests you bring in.

00:43:03.840 Any closing thoughts before you bounce on a late on a Saturday afternoon in Rome?

00:43:09.460 Well, as far as Wednesday, Thursday, Friday is concerned, thanks for giving me the platform, Steve.

00:43:15.260 Look, you quoted Whittaker Chambers earlier on in the show, to paraphrase your paraphrase of him, saying that the point about the Judeo-Christian West is that it has God at its centre, and the problem with communism is that it's atheistic.

00:43:33.980 I would go just one stretch, just slightly beyond that, and say that it's absolutely true about the Christendom having God at its centre.

00:43:42.520 The problem with communism is not that it's atheistic, it's that it has man at its centre. So you have these two competing schema, if you will, one 2,000 year old philosophy that has God at the heart of it, and lo and behold, when mankind followed that and lived according to that, mankind was exalted, even if we put Jesus Christ at the centre.

00:44:09.600 If you put man at the centre, it just doesn't have a 2,000 year track run that Christianity has. It has less than a century. But you can see how dehumanising it is for the societies that have been based on godless atheistic systems, which ostensibly have man at the centre.

00:44:29.940 I think there's sort of an interesting interplay between that reality that is somewhat ironic on behalf of God who designed all things and designed for our flourishment and thriving when we put him at the centre of our hearts.

00:44:47.720 Look, just one quick thing, though, on the on the Antichrist thing that Brian Kennedy was the demons aspect that Brian Kennedy was mentioning.

00:44:59.780 Just quickly to tie this into the AI transhumanism agenda.

00:45:04.760 Revelation, was it? Revelation 11, chapter 11, talks about the number of the beast being six, six, six.

00:45:14.540 Well, of course, in Hebrew numerology, six was represented a man.

00:45:24.660 So the 666 is the exaltation, it is the essence and exaltation of man.

00:45:30.880 And that, I think, that would be one possible interpretation, looking at this quasi-religious transhumanist agenda dovetailing itself in an unexpected way into the 2,000-year-old Christian prophecy towards the end times.

00:45:51.540 I'll just roll that, as to use your own expression, Steve, I'll roll that hand grenade under the open door and dart off and enjoy the rest of my weekend.

00:46:02.360 That'll be a good weekend. Thank you.

00:46:04.780 Where do people go to get your cynical, beady-eyed analysis until we get you back on Monday?

00:46:11.040 Getter being my social media platform of choice, Steve.

00:46:14.740 simply tap in my surname Hanwell there and you've got all my outrageous provocations waiting to

00:46:21.180 make increase your blood pressure as we speak thanks Steve god bless thank you thank you sir

00:46:27.540 Tej Gill uh where do you think we are in Iran right now you're if we have to get

00:46:36.520 back into this thing in Hormuz uh it'll be uh I think a lot of colleagues and a lot of people

00:46:43.260 that you know or have trained have to do it?

00:46:45.860 Where do you think we are?

00:46:49.280 I hope we're close to a deal, Steve.

00:46:51.100 I think we need to get this straight open.

00:46:52.840 We need to get the fuel moving, the helium moving,

00:46:55.080 the fertilizer.

00:46:57.480 Americans are definitely feeling it at the gas pump.

00:46:59.960 Trump wrote the art of the deal.

00:47:03.640 He needs to make a deal.

00:47:04.960 That's where I'm at.

00:47:06.340 I think if we go kinetic again, it's going to be ugly.

00:47:09.500 And I don't know if, I think it's going to drag out

00:47:12.120 and it's not going to wrap up quick, I think make the deal, get the fuel moving and get this behind

00:47:19.320 us and then get the gas prices down, get the prices of beef down and work on America. That's

00:47:25.020 where I'm at on this. Tej, I got up early this morning to put this show together with the great

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Episode 5411： EVOLUTION： The Birth of the Greatest Nation in the History of the World

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