Bannon's War Room - Episode 5443： Fighting Back To Save This Christian Nation

00:00:00.000 this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on

00:00:11.320 these people here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people have

00:00:17.920 had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do everything

00:00:21.680 the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do people

00:00:25.260 like that go to share the big line? MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people

00:00:33.080 had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save

00:00:40.740 my country, this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. 0.62

00:00:48.200 okay saturday 13 june year of our lord 2026 i can report that the tow truck has showed up for

00:00:56.420 ben burquam on the border down there in big ben texas we'll go back to ben in a moment as he's

00:01:02.500 we try to get him extract him from his current dilemma dilemma eric metaxas eric we left you

00:01:08.740 last night you're in idaho falls for a book signing how did it go sir i gotta laugh i have

00:01:15.540 to laugh Steve there's just joy and delight it went spectacularly okay I'm in Idaho Falls by the

00:01:22.720 Snake River and somebody comes up to me in line an older guy with a huge beard and he says I saw

00:01:30.320 you on Bannon and I I drove four hours across the state from Boise east to Idaho Falls to meet you

00:01:41.300 And I'm just looking at this guy like, you drove four hours.

00:01:45.220 You know, listen, first of all, I'm so honored.

00:01:48.000 I'm honored that God would allow me to do what I do to write a book like this, because

00:01:52.340 this is for God's purposes in history.

00:01:55.460 But I see things happening now.

00:01:57.180 And Steve, you know, a lot of times people, you know, you got this a lot in the French

00:02:01.080 Revolution or in the Bolshevik Revolution, right?

00:02:03.120 They have this utopianist language.

00:02:05.020 They act like we're entering a new age.

00:02:07.620 And they kind of kill that idea for most of us.

00:02:10.420 Like, oh, we're never going to enter a new age.

00:02:12.120 There's never going to be anything spectacular.

00:02:13.980 But there are moments in history that you have to mark them.

00:02:18.060 They're different.

00:02:19.480 I actually believe we're living in one of those moments right now for a couple of reasons.

00:02:25.400 First of all, I would say that sometimes you suddenly you see the math and you look at it and you go, you know, we've never seen this before.

00:02:33.800 We've never seen this before.

00:02:34.700 For example, for Elon Musk to suddenly be worth a trillion dollars, you just want to stop everything and go, what? I don't need to get into that. But I'm saying there's certain times that you just say something new is happening. We're breaking through into another realm. That is really neither here nor there. It's just an example.

00:02:52.520 But as I wrote this book, Revolution, it occurred to me that what I am seeing here, which I've talked about on this program, is that in the story of the birth of America, I am seeing clearly, if you solve for X in the algebra equation, without God, you can't do this.

00:03:12.260 OK, without God, you can't do this. So stick with me here. What I'm trying to say is I think now, right now, not just through this book, but in America, there is a real God moment.

00:03:24.840 People are recognizing that without the God of the Bible, you cannot have America. You cannot have American liberty. We can no longer pretend we can no longer pretend that we can have this without God.

00:03:38.240 He's at the center of it. It's because people dedicated to him were willing to suffer and die

00:03:44.360 250 years ago. I mean, it's what I write about all through the book. But in the course of writing

00:03:49.000 the book, it just hit me that I never really understood clearly that without God, this can't

00:03:55.080 happen. You cannot have America without God. And we've got a lot of people on the left, the secularists,

00:03:59.660 they hate that idea. And for the last hundred years, they've been pushing away from that idea.

00:04:04.840 they keep talking about the French Enlightenment, and these guys are deists. And in the course of

00:04:09.620 writing this book, I realized, again, it's not like it was my goal in writing the book, but you

00:04:12.920 just realize that is a lie. That is completely untrue. And we have to acknowledge God. You don't

00:04:20.820 have to like it, but you have to acknowledge that without God and without the men in the revolution

00:04:26.360 knowing, consciously and explicitly saying, what we're doing is a God thing. We're declaring

00:04:33.140 independence from the earthly king king george and we're declaring dependence on the king of kings

00:04:40.140 jesus is the king i mean the fact that we have lived for our lifetimes with all of the

00:04:47.540 intellectual establishment just blowing that off like that's just a silly old-fashioned idea and

00:04:53.420 in the writing of this book and i think in this 250th year uh and i think just generally in

00:04:58.180 American culture. You can see it everywhere. God is making himself known. And I said the same thing.

00:05:05.900 I was on your program a couple of years ago talking about my book is Atheism Dead, that science

00:05:09.360 is pointing to God in a way that scientists, if they dare to look at it, which many of them don't

00:05:14.560 want to, but it's embarrassing because you get to a moment where God makes it impossible for you

00:05:21.200 to deny him unless you really decide I hate God. He's not letting you play the game like I don't

00:05:28.400 know if he exists. You know he exists. The facts are there. You see it in American liberty in this

00:05:33.660 story. Without God, you can't have America. You see it in science. You see it everywhere. So I

00:05:38.580 think we're in kind of a unique moment. So I don't mean to use this utopianist language unless it's

00:05:44.660 actually true, but there are moments in history where God breaks through. 1776 was one of those

00:05:49.880 moments and I think we're in one of those moments right now I keep saying we're in a in the third

00:05:54.240 existential crisis of our history the first is the revolution second civil war I think we're in the

00:05:58.780 third right now so forgive me for the long-winded uh semi uh crazy rant but I actually think that

00:06:05.680 we are in a moment right now in America in the world that is unique it's we've never really been

00:06:12.600 here before we're the we're the we're the leftists and the secularists they're kind of being forced

00:06:16.980 to see something and they hate it. And our prayer would be that some of them would come to terms

00:06:23.100 with it and say, you know what, maybe I didn't like it, but it's true. Maybe I'll open my heart

00:06:27.780 to accept the God of the Bible. One of the powers of the book, and this is why I recommend it so

00:06:36.240 much, is that the way you break it down, the 4th of July, the actual signing and promulgation of

00:06:42.100 the Declaration of Independence is about halfway through the book, okay? You do all what led up to

00:06:47.880 it. And one of the things in reading it, you can relate to this moment in time because it feels,

00:06:55.300 as we say in these turnings, you say it's three, I've got four, but it's the revolution, the Civil

00:07:00.620 War, and this one. I would actually throw in the Great Depression, World War II every 80 or 100

00:07:04.820 years, but we're definitely in a turning. One of the things about these turnings is that history

00:07:09.600 speeds up things accelerate and then they start accelerating at an accelerating rate until you

00:07:14.840 come to some sort of at least initial climax etc the power one of the powers of your book

00:07:20.300 you can just see this thing starts to build it starts to go right and people are inspired to

00:07:25.940 do this and the the and too much of how we celebrate today and i think the left has wanted

00:07:33.260 to do this is that the declaration of independence fourth of july's birthday and these young kids

00:07:37.860 they think, oh, they declared independence and we were independent.

00:07:40.280 No, that would be incorrect.

00:07:42.120 You had a seven- or eight-year war, of which you take over 300 pages to walk through.

00:07:47.820 You had to win.

00:07:48.760 You had a revolution.

00:07:50.200 Then you had a war of independence.

00:07:51.900 Then you had nation-building.

00:07:53.260 That war of independence, the spirit flowing through these people,

00:07:56.440 the sacrifices they made in the first 90 days,

00:07:59.960 starting right after July 4th, mid-July,

00:08:03.000 until we retreated to Delaware, I guess, at the end of the year.

00:08:07.020 But those 100 days, it was all in the mix.

00:08:10.140 And we came so close, this close from losing it all, from losing it all.

00:08:15.080 And it was only we should have lost.

00:08:16.940 But to talk about that, because that's the spirit.

00:08:19.120 That's the spirit going through people that said, I will give my life for something that was just kind of a concept at the time, sir.

00:08:26.360 Yes. Yes.

00:08:27.280 Well, this is what's amazing to me.

00:08:28.940 And again, this book, as you know, because you read it, this is a gallop through our history.

00:08:34.940 If you want to read history and the end part about Benedict Arnold, the second half of the book, I mean, one of the most amazing stories.

00:08:41.760 I said, I got to put it in the book. People are going to it's going to blow minds, really, the story of Benedict Arnold.

00:08:47.060 But at the heart of it is this algebraic equation. X equals God.

00:08:53.360 You take God out. The whole thing falls apart. There is no America.

00:08:56.960 This is undeniable. And again, that's not what the book is about.

00:08:59.820 You can give this book to anybody in America, anybody who doesn't hate America, I think will enjoy this book.

00:09:04.940 And we'll just enjoy learning about who these people are and the stories and think, oh, yeah, I heard that.

00:09:10.180 But we need to know it. But at the heart of it is this idea that they all knew back then and that we have forgotten that without God, you cannot have any of this stuff.

00:09:21.860 And the people in the French Revolution, they thought they could have all this without God.

00:09:25.740 We know they kill they kill the king and the queen and then they start killing the priests and the nuns.

00:09:31.580 they end up in a bloodbath. They end up trading a king for a dictator emperor. Without God,

00:09:38.760 it doesn't work. The Bolsheviks, the Marxists hate God. They push him out. What do they get

00:09:42.920 in their so-called revolutions? This is the only revolution ever in the history of the world

00:09:48.460 where this biblical idea comes in and God comes in and enables people to govern themselves.

00:09:55.120 Every American needs to know what we have is unique. It is utterly unique. You need to

00:10:00.000 appreciate it all the more it's not just better it is unlike any nation that's ever existed and

00:10:05.440 that's why as you say we've got to sacrifice be willing to sacrifice everything because this is

00:10:11.400 god's idea in history there are millions of unborn people looking to us today will we sacrifice what

00:10:16.860 the people sacrificed in 1776 will be the good guys or the bad guys will we sit on the fence like

00:10:22.220 many people did during this war many people sat on the fence and let's see which way the wind blows

00:10:26.580 I don't want to, you know, I don't want to stick my neck out. That's all through history. And you

00:10:30.140 know that. These were heroes. So we need to know their stories. And we need to know that they knew,

00:10:35.980 Washington knew, without God, we fail. We don't have, we don't have the cards, right? We don't

00:10:41.840 have the cards. God has the cards. If he wants to play his cards, we win. We side with God. That's

00:10:47.900 completely different. The British thought, we got the cards. We got the most powerful Navy,

00:10:52.900 powerful army. We will crush you like the bugs that you are. And guess what? Apart from God, 1.00

00:10:58.500 they would have done that. But God intervened, and all of these revolutionaries knew that we

00:11:04.700 have to look to God. They had days of fasting and prayer. And this is our history. This is not

00:11:09.660 Christian history. This is American history. And Christian faith is at the heart of it. And listen, 0.52

00:11:14.840 we simply, if you want to be honest, you have to acknowledge it, and you have to come to terms with

00:11:18.420 that the, the, the, the subtitle, the birth, the title is revolution,

00:11:23.300 the birth of the greatest nation in the history of the world.

00:11:26.420 And what I love even below that is a new accounting by Eric Metaxas,

00:11:31.820 a new accounting, Eric, where are you going to be?

00:11:34.260 People blow my phone up all the time. They want to go to a book signing.

00:11:37.520 They want to meet you in person. They want to ask you questions about the book.

00:11:40.580 They also want to share how much it's meant to them. Just where do we go?

00:11:44.380 I want the next, and by the way, I want another Idaho falls.

00:11:47.000 I want people driving and you go see Eric. It's worth it. It's worth the trip. Where do they go?

00:11:51.780 I'm going to be all over this country. My bags are packed. The minute I close this computer,

00:11:56.340 I'm going to the airport in Idaho Falls to fly to Denver on my way to Southern California. I'm

00:12:01.180 speaking tomorrow at Harvest Church. I think four times I'm speaking at Harvest Church,

00:12:06.940 Southern California, Orange County, you know, go to go to Harvest Church. I will be, you know,

00:12:12.240 whatever, signing hundreds and hundreds of books. I will be delighted. People don't know how

00:12:17.900 delighted I am to meet them. So if you can get there tomorrow, it's all day long. So, you know,

00:12:22.560 anybody after that, where do I go next? I go home for five minutes to New York and then I'm going

00:12:28.820 to be headed back out to Washington state. There's a huge men's event in Washington state.

00:12:34.560 amazing right in the middle uh it's called uh freedom con uh freedom con 2026 huge christian

00:12:42.080 men's event uh after that i'm going to london for the art conference i'm coming back i'm going to

00:12:46.100 houston and all through this summer i'm everywhere around this country so if you just go to my

00:12:50.880 website eric metaxas.com you can see where i'm going to be and we're adding dates you know i'll

00:12:56.300 be in dc for the fourth i'm speaking at a church july 5th right outside washington dc doing two

00:13:02.900 or three services on July 3rd. I'll be at the Museum of the Bible. But I'm going to be everywhere

00:13:09.060 that I can be by God's grace. You know, God has to give me health and energy in the midst of this.

00:13:15.640 But listen, I acknowledge this season in my life. This is a blessing from God. Nobody deserves

00:13:21.420 blessing. It's a free gift from God. And I said this yesterday. Everybody needs to understand

00:13:27.200 God loves you. He has a plan for your life, but he's not going to force you. So open your hearts

00:13:33.180 to God. That's really the story of how this country came into being. And again,

00:13:37.940 I'm not going to pretend like I knew it. When I did the research on this book,

00:13:41.040 it really became so clear to me. I said, I've got to scream this everywhere I go because

00:13:46.400 it's big news. It's big news for every American. You cannot have America. Everything you love

00:13:51.420 about America, you cannot have it without the God of the Bible. That's factual. And at the

00:13:57.120 part of that is religious liberty. We do not force people to be Christians or to believe.

00:14:01.460 But if you want to know the facts, those are the facts. And they're beautiful. And we get to live

00:14:06.160 that. It's ericmetaxas.com. Of course, we go to Amazon, et cetera. The book's on. Just go order

00:14:13.540 the book today. It'll get to you. Get to you quickly. It's ericmetaxas.com. Is that where

00:14:17.800 they go? Yes, ericmetaxas.com. Okay, get to the airport. You've got your travels. You got to get

00:14:24.000 southern california the harvest church all day tomorrow see metaxas thank you brother appreciate

00:14:29.920 you thank you uh this book you will see human agency your agency you're the heirs you're the

00:14:41.440 direct heirs of the revolution that started the greatest nation on earth the birth of the greatest

00:14:47.600 nation on earth you and your task and purpose is to bequeath it in all its glory to future

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00:16:42.420 War Room.

00:16:43.460 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

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00:17:46.920 Ben Burkwam, they're getting the tow truck set up.

00:17:49.960 We'll go back to him in a moment.

00:17:51.060 Joe Allen, you join me.

00:17:52.400 And Joe, we just had Metaxas on.

00:17:54.620 We're having Metaxas on every couple of days with Revolution

00:17:57.300 because it's had a big cultural impact.

00:17:59.180 Number two on the New York Times bestseller list.

00:18:01.540 But it's number one on Publishers Weekly,

00:18:03.180 number one on Baltimore Sun,

00:18:04.660 number one on, I haven't checked the Wall Street Journal.

00:18:06.680 Can we check that?

00:18:07.420 The Wall Street Journal list, I haven't checked it,

00:18:09.120 but it's number one on Amazon.

00:18:11.180 So this is, the book has been,

00:18:14.360 and you know in the book publishing business, Joe,

00:18:16.340 how tough it is it's really broken through and it's even picking up velocity metaxas is going

00:18:22.180 around uh metaxas is going around and as he goes around he's having these um he's having these book

00:18:28.300 events and uh and he's getting feedback from the war on posse from the arts a guy last night i want

00:18:33.600 to give a hat tip to one of the posse members in boise that drove hours and hours and hours to see

00:18:39.040 eric in in idaho uh falls uh you also joe as you we put you on the road not just for dark am but

00:18:47.100 you really now spend a lot of time on the road kind of going and talking and spreading the message

00:18:52.760 but also listening to people about artificial intelligence and and i tell people it's really

00:18:57.340 more than artificial intelligence ai is one aspect of it it's really the singularity the the point in

00:19:03.700 time that we're hurtling towards and the convergence of all these forces right whether

00:19:08.040 it's regenerative robotics or quantum computing advanced chip design um crispr everything with

00:19:14.920 biotech that quite frankly we're not doing a good enough job on we got to get better

00:19:18.640 but so he's seeing people that are are coming back and thinking through the revolutionary

00:19:25.720 generation and particularly the aspect of faith and the aspect of you know the great awakening

00:19:32.560 that took place before the before the the revolutionary generation and and they're

00:19:36.780 relating it to their lives today as they watch the war room or they watch what's going on. These

00:19:40.760 are dedicated patriots. You, and one of the reasons I was so excited about, you know, bringing on board

00:19:47.140 the war room, what, five or six years ago, was your background at one of the best, I guess, divinity

00:19:53.060 schools we have, Boston University, where you got a degree. Dr. Martin Luther King got his degrees

00:19:58.720 there. Also many other prominent ministers and theologians. And also your just, your understanding

00:20:05.960 of working class people since you were a rigger at the time so as you go around the country and

00:20:10.460 you had an event yesterday and see this what what is the feedback you're hearing because we got on 0.61

00:20:16.080 one hand the revolution and we are in revolutionary times today on the other hand we have a technological

00:20:22.300 societal civilizational revolution going on and you really are at the deck plates not just thinking

00:20:28.400 about it in a high you know a high mind a high value added way but you're actually going out

00:20:34.520 and seeing the people respond to this in real time.

00:20:37.340 So what is your report from that battlefield, from that Western front, sir?

00:20:44.560 Steve, the first thing I need to say is that people are not beaten down.

00:20:50.120 I really anticipated at this point that people would have thrown their hands up and said,

00:20:55.120 you know, fine, this technological revolution is underway.

00:20:58.580 It's inevitable. There's nothing you can do about it.

00:21:00.420 You know, either you join or you die, assimilate or disappear.

00:21:04.120 That's not the attitude at all of people, and especially young people.

00:21:11.520 A lot of times, I think people assume that young people will just simply go along with whatever fad is handed to them.

00:21:18.740 But in the case of AI and even social media, to some extent, the younger people, Zoomers, you know, people that are in their late teens or early 20s, they are either fed up with it.

00:21:33.720 Some of them are terrified by it, but they aren't simply swallowing these pills just because they're told this is the future.

00:21:42.040 So I think that's the first thing that people are not simply bending over and taking it.

00:21:45.780 They're not. They're not bowing down. On the other hand, you do have, I think, really legitimate concerns about where all of this goes technologically, socially, spiritually.

00:21:57.380 What happens when you do have a significant number of kids who are raised by artificial intelligence?

00:22:04.680 You know, what happens when doctors rely on it for everything? Soldiers rely on it for everything.

00:22:10.080 What happens when one of these systems goes rogue, goes out of control?

00:22:14.160 So there are also there's those two elements, I think, Steve, that are the most important. Number one, people are not giving up. And whatever, however flawed the Trump administration's efforts are in this early phase of regulating it, I think it's really important to note that that sends a signal to people that it's not simply done.

00:22:36.840 It's not simply inevitable. It's not a situation in which nobody's going to do anything about it.

00:22:41.980 So there's really an energy there, and that energy is built off of very, very legitimate concerns.

00:22:48.260 And it's not people just being scared. It's not fear-mongering that has done this.

00:22:54.060 They have very legitimate concerns that are mostly concerns that were brought to their attention by people like Elon Musk, Dario Amadei, Sam Altman, saying what they want to see these technologies do.

00:23:06.240 So, yeah, I think the spirit is alive out here in flyover country.

00:23:12.960 Look, if you read the book Revolution and you see how we, you know, comport ourselves on the war room and the war room posse, particularly in the journey we've taken politically with people in the MAGA and America First movement and Trump supporters over the last, I guess, last decade since the show started in 19, but even before that.

00:23:33.320 uh the word is resilience we would have not won the revolution if you didn't have resilience

00:23:39.560 this is why i keep saying if you don't quit you'll eventually win when they say don't quit

00:23:43.600 that word means resilience they can knock you down a lot because we've had we've had some pretty big

00:23:48.440 defeats here the stealing of the 2020 election president trump going into exile in january 2021

00:23:53.880 uh and and many more and we're going to have defeats in the future we're it's not a it's not

00:23:58.720 a perfect world we're going to have defeats the key is we don't quit we're resilient we turn it

00:24:02.620 around is that your report is that people are not overwhelmed by the scale of this thing they're not

00:24:09.300 overwhelmed by the by the inflection point and really in history that this uh that this technology

00:24:15.740 and the other more importantly the convergence of all these technologies onto the singularity

00:24:20.580 this whole concept of transhumanism because remember we talk about artificial intelligence

00:24:25.280 it's not simply about artificial intelligence it's this convergence to this point the singularity

00:24:30.340 where you will have homo sapien, you know, 1.5 or 2.0, that line of demarcation. 0.96

00:24:38.840 And that is what the transhumanists are trying to drive us to, 0.94

00:24:41.680 to a post-homo sapien environment. 0.88

00:24:45.960 Do you find today that people are not overwhelmed by that,

00:24:48.980 that they feel that they can fight back through this or at least fight through it

00:24:51.740 and keep their humanity and pass that humanity and that civilization down

00:24:56.680 to future generations, sir?

00:24:58.640 well steve it's been really amazing five years now of basically swimming in these waters these

00:25:05.580 these poisoned waters uh constantly and in those early days it wasn't as if you know you and i

00:25:13.340 discovered transhumanism there are many many authors and people talking about it but it was

00:25:18.980 all still very fringe of all the authors who were speaking about this uh they weren't necessarily

00:25:26.220 getting a lot of airtime you know in general people thought it just sounded crazy after

00:25:33.180 really the release of chat gpt people became conscious of the possibilities of artificial

00:25:40.720 intelligence and even if then it was very clunky it couldn't really put together you know full

00:25:46.700 paragraphs it couldn't do math couldn't do all these things people saw that there was something

00:25:51.220 really unique happening with that one bot and then since then i mean it's been less than four

00:25:57.680 years or just over yeah less than four years since that release and the capabilities have

00:26:05.420 exploded so along with that and along with the adoption and the impact on people's lives the

00:26:10.700 consciousness of it has exploded and the uh catholic event that i attended two days ago

00:26:18.220 It was a small private event held in association with the Future of Life Institute.

00:26:26.840 But you had professors, priests, a bishop addressed the group.

00:26:33.200 You had lay scholars, lay people, just regular Catholic people.

00:26:39.600 You had AI policy advocates.

00:26:43.280 All of these people in discussing this, it really dawned on me, Steve, how normal the topic of transhumanism is now and artificial intelligence is now.

00:26:54.560 It's as normal as talking about environmental concerns or pollution.

00:27:00.480 It's as normal as talking about car safety concerns.

00:27:04.720 It's really – it's not exotic anymore.

00:27:07.260 And so I think that on the one hand, you risk complacency because people think, OK, well, this is just now part of our lives.

00:27:15.100 But that's not what I saw in this group of Catholics. 0.98

00:27:18.260 And that's not what I'm seeing in general. 0.97

00:27:20.020 I think that the rising consciousness means that instead of people just simply becoming aware of this new, strange technology, people, as it becomes normal in their minds, they can really think through the implications of it.

00:27:34.060 They're not freaking out.

00:27:35.200 Their hair is not on fire.

00:27:36.440 but again i'm not seeing a whole lot of people who are super excited about it and even among

00:27:41.680 those people people who would probably self-identify as transhumanists they are very

00:27:47.280 concerned about the dangers so yeah i think that this rising consciousness steve it is a wave that

00:27:52.080 is not going to stop and all we can do is keep pushing and churning those waters amen we're

00:27:57.860 going to do it you see a steely determination with a lot of people uh joe just hang on for one second

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00:31:04.100 uh yesterday during the afternoon and evening shows a pretty dramatic thing happened at the

00:31:12.320 white house they actually they actually stepped forward and and put the clamp down on an anthropic

00:31:19.440 in in these new models and said you can't no foreigners can get to them you can't do it

00:31:25.380 overseas they really did a hard lockdown now a lot of people you know it's blown up on it's one

00:31:30.460 of the biggest stories out there folks i keep telling you these stories about artificial

00:31:34.980 intelligence and everything related to singularity are what dc is working on non-stop and you saw a

00:31:40.440 manifestation when it comes public and that's elon musk the ipo for spacex that months and months

00:31:46.780 and months of behind the scenes and nasa and the underwriters and all that then it explodes onto the

00:31:51.740 into the public conscience and manifests itself into the into the public and actual action that

00:31:57.620 is going on all the time this framework and the reason joe and i have worked so hard on this is

00:32:02.680 this framework of which was not perfect but at least it started a structure this is the eo from

00:32:07.480 the president the structure and process particularly gave a structure of um uh voluntary not mandatory

00:32:15.500 which we think is a requirement you have to have mandatory the intelligence service has got to be

00:32:19.200 in here particularly nsa scott bess and the treasury ought to be involved there ought to be

00:32:23.260 enough in advance uh the white house has set up something that's different but it's at least

00:32:29.220 structuring a process okay but then yesterday joe they come out they came out and put the clamps

00:32:35.020 down on anthropic is it so a lot of the uh social media that follows these things are saying this

00:32:44.120 is retribution against Anthropic because they've had the situation of the Department of War

00:32:48.860 in their models. Others are saying, well, the White House is actually waking up to the fact now

00:32:53.800 that this needs to be mandatory, can't be voluntary. Can you walk people through exactly

00:32:58.720 what happened yesterday afternoon? What did the White House say? And why is this such an important

00:33:03.220 event, sir? Yes, the event itself, what we're talking about is an export control that was

00:33:11.400 issued against Anthropic by the Commerce Department, Howard Lutnick, in particular,

00:33:17.100 sending a letter to the Anthropic CEO, Dario Amadei, ordering him not to allow anyone,

00:33:25.600 no foreign nationals, no foreign nationals, either abroad or in America, could use their new system,

00:33:33.060 Fable, Fable 5, which is a kind of nerfed or safety layered version of mythos, what everyone has been talking about for months now, the model that is so capable when it comes to cyber attacks and cybersecurity.

00:33:49.720 So Howard Lutnick ordering Anthropic to deny access to fable to any foreign national ultimately means you have to shut it down because there's no way really for Anthropic to, you know, check the passports of everyone who.

00:34:09.360 But hang on, but hang on, but hang on, but hang on, slow down, slow down real quick.

00:34:14.660 It's got Howard Lutnick's name, but this is the decision of the president of the United States.

00:34:18.160 I mean, this is at the highest level because this is dealing with, particularly after an IPO for Musk's company and all the national security situations we're in and everybody's concerned about this.

00:34:29.680 This is a decision made at the highest level.

00:34:31.560 I'd be stunned if Lutnik signed that without running it by not just the White House and the chief of staff and all that, but actually the senior levels, and that would include the president.

00:34:40.860 I mean, this is a presidential decision, I think.

00:34:43.280 It's that high in national security.

00:34:45.680 And that's what the president – remember, the president's the one, Joe, that ultimately, after Elon and these guys wanted to pull and Musk wanted – excuse me, Elon and then Zuckerberg wanted to pull and not have anything on paper at all about an EO.

00:34:59.180 We were advocates.

00:34:59.900 It's better than nothing.

00:35:01.000 It actually lays out an initial preliminary, rudimentary structure and a beginning of a process.

00:35:08.580 So I think this would have to come from the president.

00:35:11.260 Why is it such a big deal?

00:35:13.200 Why is it such a big deal?

00:35:14.480 You're saying because it shuts it down?

00:35:16.740 And do you think that's retribution? 0.64

00:35:19.240 Because Anthropoc is kind of, you know, they have a very different opinion about how things should go than the Department of War and commerce, sir?

00:35:29.320 Well, there are three possibilities.

00:35:30.780 I see. One is, yeah, sure, you can speculate that it's retribution, given Anthropik dragging its heels in so many ways with the Department of War. 0.84

00:35:39.760 Or it could be that the White House and Commerce Department have overreacted to a security issue that simply isn't as bad as it's being portrayed.

00:35:50.520 We don't know because they haven't released the actual evidence.

00:35:54.340 The guys at Anthropic have viewed it, and they say that it's actually not that big of a concern, that other artificial intelligence models are capable of the same.

00:36:05.640 It is also possible, though, Steve, that it is a huge concern, or at least it indicates a huge concern.

00:36:12.760 The argument, the justification for the letter to Anthropic to deny access to foreign nationals is based on a report by Amazon that they were able to jailbreak the fable model.

00:36:29.340 Now, what that means, basically, is this artificial intelligence model has safety layers put on it to refuse any sort of malicious prompt to make sure that people can't use it to ask how to create a malware or a bioweapon or anything like that.

00:36:49.200 So by jailbreaking, what that means is you're able to kind of tease out this forbidden information, this malicious potentiality from the system.

00:36:59.980 And so that's what the report was. The report was it came from Amazon saying that they were able to get around some of those safeguards in the system.

00:37:08.760 And so that would mean then if you extrapolate out from there that possibly other even more dangerous types of info hazards can be teased out of it.

00:37:18.940 And so I don't really know without actually seeing any of the evidence.

00:37:24.760 None of us can really know for sure whether it's an overreaction or whether it's serious.

00:37:28.700 But we do know this sets a precedent. It sets a precedent, Steve, that yes, the government has now stepped in and said, you have to basically shut your system down in effect.

00:37:41.160 And that's totally that's there's not nothing even remotely close to that had happened before.

00:37:46.280 Certainly not with this is huge.

00:37:47.740 white house this is huge and this is um and remember we're the people in back of deconstructing

00:37:55.200 the administrative state and take on the deep state but and i want to quote a buried lead from

00:37:59.500 one of the actions reports this morning access done a fantastic job on this number one the white

00:38:03.780 house leaks a lot of stuff to axios is in one of the stories and i'll put it up on social media

00:38:09.720 and have elizabeth highlight for us it buried down in the story is that hello the companies

00:38:15.920 themselves admit they don't really have control of these models. They don't really know. That's

00:38:23.020 what's the danger here. And I want you to explain to the audience why commerce saying that no

00:38:30.100 foreign national can use this or have any access to it, why that in and of itself immediately

00:38:36.480 shuts down Anthropics' ability to promulgate this, sir. Well, it's really impossible for them to 0.89

00:38:44.820 to be able to actually sit. You can, of course, track where an account that is prompting the

00:38:53.140 system is coming from. But the water itself says that no foreign national even on American soil

00:38:58.720 is allowed to use Fable. So the only real solution to that was what Anthropic did. You just shut it

00:39:05.940 down. You cut off all access and they just reverted back to their previous less powerful models. So

00:39:13.320 So it's a bit of play there. You can tell that there is a little bit of game play because clearly the Commerce Department and the Trump administration would know that they can't just go in and one by one single out who is and isn't an American citizen, ask for passports.

00:39:31.180 Although something like that, this is one of the fears, Steve, is that something like that, as we move forward into a more regulated environment, that access to any digital platform could be determined by digital IDs, biometric IDs.

00:39:45.600 You know, this has been this is kind of parallel push. It's a problem that it's certainly worth lingering on, but maybe not now.

00:39:52.840 this this order is it's both a precedent for the government stepping in and saying your technology

00:40:02.320 is too dangerous for the general access across the world and so you have to rein it in you have

00:40:11.760 to shut it down that that would be almost like steve it would be like if they asked boeing

00:40:16.520 to recall uh all of their jets in a specific line i mean it's it's enormous and if it's an act of

00:40:24.460 retribution it's still important because it sets a precedent if it's an overreaction

00:40:28.160 it's still important because it won't be one day on down the road and it's also kind of ironic a

00:40:35.040 lot of people have noted the the irony the amusing irony that dario amadei and the guys at anthropic

00:40:39.680 have been the loudest asking for this very sort of action that the government should have the power

00:40:45.320 He shut down powerful models. And, you know, it's funny that within just a few days of Amadei releasing his essays, asking for this very thing, he got it.

00:40:55.040 He got it, baby. This is why we were advocates in the structure of this, that does not be voluntary by the companies, but they have to actually be mandatory and it should be at least 90 days out.

00:41:06.880 why? You can avoid a situation like this. You actually have people that can work with the

00:41:11.720 companies and go through it and make sure to the degree possible, Joe, that everything's kind of

00:41:17.400 taken care of. We know what we're doing when it's promulgated, not after it's promulgated,

00:41:20.600 have to step in here. I mean, that's the whole, the irony, one of the ironies, the many ironies

00:41:26.000 here is that a week after the president signed the executive order of mandatory versus voluntary,

00:41:36.880 And we know the president was the one that actually wanted to put this thing out

00:41:39.840 because some of the biggest oligarchs didn't want anything in writing.

00:41:43.580 So to me, the president's got to be giving kudos there.

00:41:46.580 But you're actually, to me, it exemplifies the fact of why you've got to have a system like this

00:41:52.360 and you've got to do it earlier, and you can avoid situations like this.

00:41:57.200 Joe Allen, your thoughts?

00:41:59.160 Well, I just want to go back to a point you made before about the black box nature of advanced AI.

00:42:06.880 that they don't know what's going on inside these systems.

00:42:10.960 So it's impossible to be 100% sure that you won't have a system that does anything from providing code that creates malware,

00:42:22.540 that's malicious, that exploits vulnerabilities, to provide information on how to create bioweapons or any other kind of improvised device.

00:42:31.320 You can't stop it necessarily from telling children to kill themselves.

00:42:36.660 So the black box nature means that it's going to be, it's very difficult to imagine other than using safeguards to create something like Fable where it's completely nerfed and it won't even tell you what cell biology, the details of cell biology for fear that you will use that for bioweapons.

00:42:57.120 It's impossible to imagine a world of advanced artificial intelligence where the public simply has access to all of it, and it doesn't end up becoming, as we see right now, becoming a technology that more and more is used within the national security state or within corporations who have security clearance.

00:43:18.940 because it is by its very nature dangerous it's not like people are making it up when they say

00:43:24.960 that these systems can run an amateur through the process of creating a bioweapon or run an

00:43:32.580 amateur through the process of creating massively destructive cyber weapons so yeah it's going

00:43:38.800 forward it's going to be very difficult i think to keep this under wraps uh joe uh real quickly

00:43:46.880 where do they go to get your writings and where can people follow your

00:43:49.640 travels to see you in person?

00:43:52.280 Well,

00:43:52.760 they're going to have to go overseas to see me in the near future.

00:43:56.300 I'll be going overseas in a couple of days for a secret meeting,

00:44:00.960 but I go to jobot.xyz at J O E B O T X Y Z.

00:44:05.420 And I'll let you in on those secrets that I can tell.

00:44:07.560 Thank you very much.

00:44:08.200 Those are,

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00:44:11.140 Joe Allen.

00:44:12.300 Thank you so much,

00:44:13.240 sir.

00:44:13.760 Very enlightening.

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00:46:16.760 Let's go to Ben Burquam on parts unknown on the,

00:46:24.960 on the Southern border in Texas, sir, where are you?

00:46:27.900 And where, and when are you getting to El Paso?

00:46:31.000 I am out.

00:46:32.260 Thank God.

00:46:32.840 Huge shout out to Rio Grande record service.

00:46:35.640 They were amazing.

00:46:36.740 Got me out of there.

00:46:37.980 You know, sometimes you pray for patients.

00:46:39.620 don't do that because you'll get it but i'm out i'm on the road i'm heading to el paso i'll be

00:46:43.800 there later today i'm going to be back with border patrol on monday so stay tuned for that

00:46:47.900 getting all the footage uh not going out to dc which actually works out great but i just want

00:46:52.260 to show you this the proximity and the danger that we have down here on the border where i was

00:46:57.120 stuck in the mud was about the same distance that's the rio grande river rio grande i don't

00:47:02.480 want to say river river but that's the rio grande right there you can see it's about two feet deep

00:47:06.660 and about 15 feet across this is where people come up and they'll simply just walk on in this

00:47:13.500 is the road this is the road right here and it just continues on and it goes for hundreds of

00:47:18.360 miles this little tiny path goes along the river for about 100 miles on our way out towards el

00:47:23.700 paso so again this is why it's so critical that we focus on all parts of the border and in

00:47:28.920 particular never let the democrats back in power again or else they'll just i mean again i don't

00:47:34.840 I'm not, I'm not, uh, overstating that our country is close to dead and they're, they're

00:47:39.440 helping do it. 0.90

00:47:40.580 They're going to, they're going to try to kill us.

00:47:42.140 Um, Ben, give your social media.

00:47:44.720 We're going to have you live to kick the show off on Monday morning from El Paso, Texas,

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00:47:49.980 Where do people go?

00:47:51.980 I won't be in El Paso Monday.

00:47:53.540 I can't tell you where I'll be cause it's going to be slightly more dangerous.

00:47:55.960 The secret, the secret, the secret, I got, I got Joe Allen going on a secret.

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00:48:01.480 I got Joe Allen going on a secret mission to Europe and I get Ben Burkwam going on a secret

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00:48:15.620 frontlineamerica.com, Substack, Frontline America. Thank you, brother. Appreciate you.

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00:50:55.640 What is going on here, man?

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00:50:58.660 Let's go right to Mike Lindell.

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00:52:08.480 And you guys have a great weekend.

00:52:10.300 Thank you, and God bless.

00:52:12.560 okay mike lindell right there um wow what a show it's got me jacked up so i haven't gotten to my

00:52:21.020 next pot of warpath coffee um we'll be up on social media all weekend uh we're going to kick

00:52:28.180 off it's going to be a couple pretty explosives war rooms when we get back on monday and tuesday

00:52:33.760 when you join us also we got a big special announcement of something we've been working on

00:52:38.400 We'll drop that bomb on you on Monday, but a lot going on.

00:52:41.740 I want to thank the entire production team in Denver.

00:52:46.600 It takes a day out of their weekend.

00:52:48.340 The team rotates through to come in and help us.

00:52:50.060 And, of course, my own team here at the War Room, the production team.

00:52:55.100 Of course, Grace, Moe, Elizabeth, everybody that's putting out content all the time.

00:52:58.620 And especially the engine rooms, whether that's in New York or Phoenix,

00:53:03.900 all these people that watch it so closely and send me stuff,

00:53:06.520 the commentary during the show of maybe things we've overlooked or things we can add to it.

00:53:11.820 It's just fantastic. I think it's one of the great reasons. In doing the show in real time,

00:53:16.020 we try to keep up with everything, but there's so much going on. President Trump

00:53:19.140 really juggling things right now, particularly trying to bring this war to some sort of

00:53:23.620 conclusion or at least an interim conclusion. Let's say that. Got the weight of the world

00:53:29.280 on his shoulders. Of course, they're attacking nonstop. You saw what happened when he put a guy

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00:53:51.880 attacking Tulsi Gabbard nonstop, relentlessly, for what she's putting out in her last couple

00:53:56.920 of days at D&I. Take down the apparatus. It needs to. Okay. We're going to be back Monday

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Bannon's War Room - June 13, 2026

Episode 5443： Fighting Back To Save This Christian Nation

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