00:02:19.480I actually believe we're living in one of those moments right now for a couple of reasons.
00:02:25.400First of all, I would say that sometimes you suddenly you see the math and you look at it and you go, you know, we've never seen this before.
00:02:34.700For example, for Elon Musk to suddenly be worth a trillion dollars, you just want to stop everything and go, what? I don't need to get into that. But I'm saying there's certain times that you just say something new is happening. We're breaking through into another realm. That is really neither here nor there. It's just an example.
00:02:52.520But as I wrote this book, Revolution, it occurred to me that what I am seeing here, which I've talked about on this program, is that in the story of the birth of America, I am seeing clearly, if you solve for X in the algebra equation, without God, you can't do this.
00:03:12.260OK, without God, you can't do this. So stick with me here. What I'm trying to say is I think now, right now, not just through this book, but in America, there is a real God moment.
00:03:24.840People are recognizing that without the God of the Bible, you cannot have America. You cannot have American liberty. We can no longer pretend we can no longer pretend that we can have this without God.
00:03:38.240He's at the center of it. It's because people dedicated to him were willing to suffer and die
00:03:44.360250 years ago. I mean, it's what I write about all through the book. But in the course of writing
00:03:49.000the book, it just hit me that I never really understood clearly that without God, this can't
00:03:55.080happen. You cannot have America without God. And we've got a lot of people on the left, the secularists,
00:03:59.660they hate that idea. And for the last hundred years, they've been pushing away from that idea.
00:04:04.840they keep talking about the French Enlightenment, and these guys are deists. And in the course of
00:04:09.620writing this book, I realized, again, it's not like it was my goal in writing the book, but you
00:04:12.920just realize that is a lie. That is completely untrue. And we have to acknowledge God. You don't
00:04:20.820have to like it, but you have to acknowledge that without God and without the men in the revolution
00:04:26.360knowing, consciously and explicitly saying, what we're doing is a God thing. We're declaring
00:04:33.140independence from the earthly king king george and we're declaring dependence on the king of kings
00:04:40.140jesus is the king i mean the fact that we have lived for our lifetimes with all of the
00:04:47.540intellectual establishment just blowing that off like that's just a silly old-fashioned idea and
00:04:53.420in the writing of this book and i think in this 250th year uh and i think just generally in
00:04:58.180American culture. You can see it everywhere. God is making himself known. And I said the same thing.
00:05:05.900I was on your program a couple of years ago talking about my book is Atheism Dead, that science
00:05:09.360is pointing to God in a way that scientists, if they dare to look at it, which many of them don't
00:05:14.560want to, but it's embarrassing because you get to a moment where God makes it impossible for you
00:05:21.200to deny him unless you really decide I hate God. He's not letting you play the game like I don't
00:05:28.400know if he exists. You know he exists. The facts are there. You see it in American liberty in this
00:05:33.660story. Without God, you can't have America. You see it in science. You see it everywhere. So I
00:05:38.580think we're in kind of a unique moment. So I don't mean to use this utopianist language unless it's
00:05:44.660actually true, but there are moments in history where God breaks through. 1776 was one of those
00:05:49.880moments and I think we're in one of those moments right now I keep saying we're in a in the third
00:05:54.240existential crisis of our history the first is the revolution second civil war I think we're in the
00:05:58.780third right now so forgive me for the long-winded uh semi uh crazy rant but I actually think that
00:06:05.680we are in a moment right now in America in the world that is unique it's we've never really been
00:06:12.600here before we're the we're the we're the leftists and the secularists they're kind of being forced
00:06:16.980to see something and they hate it. And our prayer would be that some of them would come to terms
00:06:23.100with it and say, you know what, maybe I didn't like it, but it's true. Maybe I'll open my heart
00:06:27.780to accept the God of the Bible. One of the powers of the book, and this is why I recommend it so
00:06:36.240much, is that the way you break it down, the 4th of July, the actual signing and promulgation of
00:06:42.100the Declaration of Independence is about halfway through the book, okay? You do all what led up to
00:06:47.880it. And one of the things in reading it, you can relate to this moment in time because it feels,
00:06:55.300as we say in these turnings, you say it's three, I've got four, but it's the revolution, the Civil
00:07:00.620War, and this one. I would actually throw in the Great Depression, World War II every 80 or 100
00:07:04.820years, but we're definitely in a turning. One of the things about these turnings is that history
00:07:09.600speeds up things accelerate and then they start accelerating at an accelerating rate until you
00:07:14.840come to some sort of at least initial climax etc the power one of the powers of your book
00:07:20.300you can just see this thing starts to build it starts to go right and people are inspired to
00:07:25.940do this and the the and too much of how we celebrate today and i think the left has wanted
00:07:33.260to do this is that the declaration of independence fourth of july's birthday and these young kids
00:07:37.860they think, oh, they declared independence and we were independent.
00:08:28.940And again, this book, as you know, because you read it, this is a gallop through our history.
00:08:34.940If you want to read history and the end part about Benedict Arnold, the second half of the book, I mean, one of the most amazing stories.
00:08:41.760I said, I got to put it in the book. People are going to it's going to blow minds, really, the story of Benedict Arnold.
00:08:47.060But at the heart of it is this algebraic equation. X equals God.
00:08:53.360You take God out. The whole thing falls apart. There is no America.
00:08:56.960This is undeniable. And again, that's not what the book is about.
00:08:59.820You can give this book to anybody in America, anybody who doesn't hate America, I think will enjoy this book.
00:09:04.940And we'll just enjoy learning about who these people are and the stories and think, oh, yeah, I heard that.
00:09:10.180But we need to know it. But at the heart of it is this idea that they all knew back then and that we have forgotten that without God, you cannot have any of this stuff.
00:09:21.860And the people in the French Revolution, they thought they could have all this without God.
00:09:25.740We know they kill they kill the king and the queen and then they start killing the priests and the nuns.
00:09:31.580they end up in a bloodbath. They end up trading a king for a dictator emperor. Without God,
00:09:38.760it doesn't work. The Bolsheviks, the Marxists hate God. They push him out. What do they get
00:09:42.920in their so-called revolutions? This is the only revolution ever in the history of the world
00:09:48.460where this biblical idea comes in and God comes in and enables people to govern themselves.
00:09:55.120Every American needs to know what we have is unique. It is utterly unique. You need to
00:10:00.000appreciate it all the more it's not just better it is unlike any nation that's ever existed and
00:10:05.440that's why as you say we've got to sacrifice be willing to sacrifice everything because this is
00:10:11.400god's idea in history there are millions of unborn people looking to us today will we sacrifice what
00:10:16.860the people sacrificed in 1776 will be the good guys or the bad guys will we sit on the fence like
00:10:22.220many people did during this war many people sat on the fence and let's see which way the wind blows
00:10:26.580I don't want to, you know, I don't want to stick my neck out. That's all through history. And you
00:10:30.140know that. These were heroes. So we need to know their stories. And we need to know that they knew,
00:10:35.980Washington knew, without God, we fail. We don't have, we don't have the cards, right? We don't
00:10:41.840have the cards. God has the cards. If he wants to play his cards, we win. We side with God. That's
00:10:47.900completely different. The British thought, we got the cards. We got the most powerful Navy,
00:10:52.900powerful army. We will crush you like the bugs that you are. And guess what? Apart from God,1.00
00:10:58.500they would have done that. But God intervened, and all of these revolutionaries knew that we
00:11:04.700have to look to God. They had days of fasting and prayer. And this is our history. This is not
00:11:09.660Christian history. This is American history. And Christian faith is at the heart of it. And listen,0.52
00:11:14.840we simply, if you want to be honest, you have to acknowledge it, and you have to come to terms with
00:11:18.420that the, the, the, the subtitle, the birth, the title is revolution,
00:11:23.300the birth of the greatest nation in the history of the world.
00:11:26.420And what I love even below that is a new accounting by Eric Metaxas,
00:11:31.820a new accounting, Eric, where are you going to be?
00:11:34.260People blow my phone up all the time. They want to go to a book signing.
00:11:37.520They want to meet you in person. They want to ask you questions about the book.
00:11:40.580They also want to share how much it's meant to them. Just where do we go?
00:11:44.380I want the next, and by the way, I want another Idaho falls.
00:11:47.000I want people driving and you go see Eric. It's worth it. It's worth the trip. Where do they go?
00:11:51.780I'm going to be all over this country. My bags are packed. The minute I close this computer,
00:11:56.340I'm going to the airport in Idaho Falls to fly to Denver on my way to Southern California. I'm
00:12:01.180speaking tomorrow at Harvest Church. I think four times I'm speaking at Harvest Church,
00:12:06.940Southern California, Orange County, you know, go to go to Harvest Church. I will be, you know,
00:12:12.240whatever, signing hundreds and hundreds of books. I will be delighted. People don't know how
00:12:17.900delighted I am to meet them. So if you can get there tomorrow, it's all day long. So, you know,
00:12:22.560anybody after that, where do I go next? I go home for five minutes to New York and then I'm going
00:12:28.820to be headed back out to Washington state. There's a huge men's event in Washington state.
00:12:34.560amazing right in the middle uh it's called uh freedom con uh freedom con 2026 huge christian
00:12:42.080men's event uh after that i'm going to london for the art conference i'm coming back i'm going to
00:12:46.100houston and all through this summer i'm everywhere around this country so if you just go to my
00:12:50.880website eric metaxas.com you can see where i'm going to be and we're adding dates you know i'll
00:12:56.300be in dc for the fourth i'm speaking at a church july 5th right outside washington dc doing two
00:13:02.900or three services on July 3rd. I'll be at the Museum of the Bible. But I'm going to be everywhere
00:13:09.060that I can be by God's grace. You know, God has to give me health and energy in the midst of this.
00:13:15.640But listen, I acknowledge this season in my life. This is a blessing from God. Nobody deserves
00:13:21.420blessing. It's a free gift from God. And I said this yesterday. Everybody needs to understand
00:13:27.200God loves you. He has a plan for your life, but he's not going to force you. So open your hearts
00:13:33.180to God. That's really the story of how this country came into being. And again,
00:13:37.940I'm not going to pretend like I knew it. When I did the research on this book,
00:13:41.040it really became so clear to me. I said, I've got to scream this everywhere I go because
00:13:46.400it's big news. It's big news for every American. You cannot have America. Everything you love
00:13:51.420about America, you cannot have it without the God of the Bible. That's factual. And at the
00:13:57.120part of that is religious liberty. We do not force people to be Christians or to believe.
00:14:01.460But if you want to know the facts, those are the facts. And they're beautiful. And we get to live
00:14:06.160that. It's ericmetaxas.com. Of course, we go to Amazon, et cetera. The book's on. Just go order
00:14:13.540the book today. It'll get to you. Get to you quickly. It's ericmetaxas.com. Is that where
00:14:17.800they go? Yes, ericmetaxas.com. Okay, get to the airport. You've got your travels. You got to get
00:14:24.000southern california the harvest church all day tomorrow see metaxas thank you brother appreciate
00:14:29.920you thank you uh this book you will see human agency your agency you're the heirs you're the
00:14:41.440direct heirs of the revolution that started the greatest nation on earth the birth of the greatest
00:14:47.600nation on earth you and your task and purpose is to bequeath it in all its glory to future
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00:18:14.360and you know in the book publishing business, Joe,
00:18:16.340how tough it is it's really broken through and it's even picking up velocity metaxas is going
00:18:22.180around uh metaxas is going around and as he goes around he's having these um he's having these book
00:18:28.300events and uh and he's getting feedback from the war on posse from the arts a guy last night i want
00:18:33.600to give a hat tip to one of the posse members in boise that drove hours and hours and hours to see
00:18:39.040eric in in idaho uh falls uh you also joe as you we put you on the road not just for dark am but
00:18:47.100you really now spend a lot of time on the road kind of going and talking and spreading the message
00:18:52.760but also listening to people about artificial intelligence and and i tell people it's really
00:18:57.340more than artificial intelligence ai is one aspect of it it's really the singularity the the point in
00:19:03.700time that we're hurtling towards and the convergence of all these forces right whether
00:19:08.040it's regenerative robotics or quantum computing advanced chip design um crispr everything with
00:19:14.920biotech that quite frankly we're not doing a good enough job on we got to get better
00:19:18.640but so he's seeing people that are are coming back and thinking through the revolutionary
00:19:25.720generation and particularly the aspect of faith and the aspect of you know the great awakening
00:19:32.560that took place before the before the the revolutionary generation and and they're
00:19:36.780relating it to their lives today as they watch the war room or they watch what's going on. These
00:19:40.760are dedicated patriots. You, and one of the reasons I was so excited about, you know, bringing on board
00:19:47.140the war room, what, five or six years ago, was your background at one of the best, I guess, divinity
00:19:53.060schools we have, Boston University, where you got a degree. Dr. Martin Luther King got his degrees
00:19:58.720there. Also many other prominent ministers and theologians. And also your just, your understanding
00:20:05.960of working class people since you were a rigger at the time so as you go around the country and
00:20:10.460you had an event yesterday and see this what what is the feedback you're hearing because we got on0.61
00:20:16.080one hand the revolution and we are in revolutionary times today on the other hand we have a technological
00:20:22.300societal civilizational revolution going on and you really are at the deck plates not just thinking
00:20:28.400about it in a high you know a high mind a high value added way but you're actually going out
00:20:34.520and seeing the people respond to this in real time.
00:20:37.340So what is your report from that battlefield, from that Western front, sir?
00:20:44.560Steve, the first thing I need to say is that people are not beaten down.
00:20:50.120I really anticipated at this point that people would have thrown their hands up and said,
00:20:55.120you know, fine, this technological revolution is underway.
00:20:58.580It's inevitable. There's nothing you can do about it.
00:21:00.420You know, either you join or you die, assimilate or disappear.
00:21:04.120That's not the attitude at all of people, and especially young people.
00:21:11.520A lot of times, I think people assume that young people will just simply go along with whatever fad is handed to them.
00:21:18.740But in the case of AI and even social media, to some extent, the younger people, Zoomers, you know, people that are in their late teens or early 20s, they are either fed up with it.
00:21:33.720Some of them are terrified by it, but they aren't simply swallowing these pills just because they're told this is the future.
00:21:42.040So I think that's the first thing that people are not simply bending over and taking it.
00:21:45.780They're not. They're not bowing down. On the other hand, you do have, I think, really legitimate concerns about where all of this goes technologically, socially, spiritually.
00:21:57.380What happens when you do have a significant number of kids who are raised by artificial intelligence?
00:22:04.680You know, what happens when doctors rely on it for everything? Soldiers rely on it for everything.
00:22:10.080What happens when one of these systems goes rogue, goes out of control?
00:22:14.160So there are also there's those two elements, I think, Steve, that are the most important. Number one, people are not giving up. And whatever, however flawed the Trump administration's efforts are in this early phase of regulating it, I think it's really important to note that that sends a signal to people that it's not simply done.
00:22:36.840It's not simply inevitable. It's not a situation in which nobody's going to do anything about it.
00:22:41.980So there's really an energy there, and that energy is built off of very, very legitimate concerns.
00:22:48.260And it's not people just being scared. It's not fear-mongering that has done this.
00:22:54.060They have very legitimate concerns that are mostly concerns that were brought to their attention by people like Elon Musk, Dario Amadei, Sam Altman, saying what they want to see these technologies do.
00:23:06.240So, yeah, I think the spirit is alive out here in flyover country.
00:23:12.960Look, if you read the book Revolution and you see how we, you know, comport ourselves on the war room and the war room posse, particularly in the journey we've taken politically with people in the MAGA and America First movement and Trump supporters over the last, I guess, last decade since the show started in 19, but even before that.
00:23:33.320uh the word is resilience we would have not won the revolution if you didn't have resilience
00:23:39.560this is why i keep saying if you don't quit you'll eventually win when they say don't quit
00:23:43.600that word means resilience they can knock you down a lot because we've had we've had some pretty big
00:23:48.440defeats here the stealing of the 2020 election president trump going into exile in january 2021
00:23:53.880uh and and many more and we're going to have defeats in the future we're it's not a it's not
00:23:58.720a perfect world we're going to have defeats the key is we don't quit we're resilient we turn it
00:24:02.620around is that your report is that people are not overwhelmed by the scale of this thing they're not
00:24:09.300overwhelmed by the by the inflection point and really in history that this uh that this technology
00:24:15.740and the other more importantly the convergence of all these technologies onto the singularity
00:24:20.580this whole concept of transhumanism because remember we talk about artificial intelligence
00:24:25.280it's not simply about artificial intelligence it's this convergence to this point the singularity
00:24:30.340where you will have homo sapien, you know, 1.5 or 2.0, that line of demarcation.0.96
00:24:38.840And that is what the transhumanists are trying to drive us to,0.94
00:24:41.680to a post-homo sapien environment.0.88
00:24:45.960Do you find today that people are not overwhelmed by that,
00:24:48.980that they feel that they can fight back through this or at least fight through it
00:24:51.740and keep their humanity and pass that humanity and that civilization down
00:26:43.280All of these people in discussing this, it really dawned on me, Steve, how normal the topic of transhumanism is now and artificial intelligence is now.
00:26:54.560It's as normal as talking about environmental concerns or pollution.
00:27:00.480It's as normal as talking about car safety concerns.
00:27:04.720It's really – it's not exotic anymore.
00:27:07.260And so I think that on the one hand, you risk complacency because people think, OK, well, this is just now part of our lives.
00:27:15.100But that's not what I saw in this group of Catholics.0.98
00:27:18.260And that's not what I'm seeing in general.0.97
00:27:20.020I think that the rising consciousness means that instead of people just simply becoming aware of this new, strange technology, people, as it becomes normal in their minds, they can really think through the implications of it.
00:30:49.440but it will slash your health insurance pretty dramatically but go check it out today
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00:31:04.100uh yesterday during the afternoon and evening shows a pretty dramatic thing happened at the
00:31:12.320white house they actually they actually stepped forward and and put the clamp down on an anthropic
00:31:19.440in in these new models and said you can't no foreigners can get to them you can't do it
00:31:25.380overseas they really did a hard lockdown now a lot of people you know it's blown up on it's one
00:31:30.460of the biggest stories out there folks i keep telling you these stories about artificial
00:31:34.980intelligence and everything related to singularity are what dc is working on non-stop and you saw a
00:31:40.440manifestation when it comes public and that's elon musk the ipo for spacex that months and months
00:31:46.780and months of behind the scenes and nasa and the underwriters and all that then it explodes onto the
00:31:51.740into the public conscience and manifests itself into the into the public and actual action that
00:31:57.620is going on all the time this framework and the reason joe and i have worked so hard on this is
00:32:02.680this framework of which was not perfect but at least it started a structure this is the eo from
00:32:07.480the president the structure and process particularly gave a structure of um uh voluntary not mandatory
00:32:15.500which we think is a requirement you have to have mandatory the intelligence service has got to be
00:32:19.200in here particularly nsa scott bess and the treasury ought to be involved there ought to be
00:32:23.260enough in advance uh the white house has set up something that's different but it's at least
00:32:29.220structuring a process okay but then yesterday joe they come out they came out and put the clamps
00:32:35.020down on anthropic is it so a lot of the uh social media that follows these things are saying this
00:32:44.120is retribution against Anthropic because they've had the situation of the Department of War
00:32:48.860in their models. Others are saying, well, the White House is actually waking up to the fact now
00:32:53.800that this needs to be mandatory, can't be voluntary. Can you walk people through exactly
00:32:58.720what happened yesterday afternoon? What did the White House say? And why is this such an important
00:33:03.220event, sir? Yes, the event itself, what we're talking about is an export control that was
00:33:11.400issued against Anthropic by the Commerce Department, Howard Lutnick, in particular,
00:33:17.100sending a letter to the Anthropic CEO, Dario Amadei, ordering him not to allow anyone,
00:33:25.600no foreign nationals, no foreign nationals, either abroad or in America, could use their new system,
00:33:33.060Fable, Fable 5, which is a kind of nerfed or safety layered version of mythos, what everyone has been talking about for months now, the model that is so capable when it comes to cyber attacks and cybersecurity.
00:33:49.720So Howard Lutnick ordering Anthropic to deny access to fable to any foreign national ultimately means you have to shut it down because there's no way really for Anthropic to, you know, check the passports of everyone who.
00:34:09.360But hang on, but hang on, but hang on, but hang on, slow down, slow down real quick.
00:34:14.660It's got Howard Lutnick's name, but this is the decision of the president of the United States.
00:34:18.160I mean, this is at the highest level because this is dealing with, particularly after an IPO for Musk's company and all the national security situations we're in and everybody's concerned about this.
00:34:29.680This is a decision made at the highest level.
00:34:31.560I'd be stunned if Lutnik signed that without running it by not just the White House and the chief of staff and all that, but actually the senior levels, and that would include the president.
00:34:40.860I mean, this is a presidential decision, I think.
00:34:45.680And that's what the president – remember, the president's the one, Joe, that ultimately, after Elon and these guys wanted to pull and Musk wanted – excuse me, Elon and then Zuckerberg wanted to pull and not have anything on paper at all about an EO.
00:35:14.480You're saying because it shuts it down?
00:35:16.740And do you think that's retribution?0.64
00:35:19.240Because Anthropoc is kind of, you know, they have a very different opinion about how things should go than the Department of War and commerce, sir?
00:35:30.780I see. One is, yeah, sure, you can speculate that it's retribution, given Anthropik dragging its heels in so many ways with the Department of War.0.84
00:35:39.760Or it could be that the White House and Commerce Department have overreacted to a security issue that simply isn't as bad as it's being portrayed.
00:35:50.520We don't know because they haven't released the actual evidence.
00:35:54.340The guys at Anthropic have viewed it, and they say that it's actually not that big of a concern, that other artificial intelligence models are capable of the same.
00:36:05.640It is also possible, though, Steve, that it is a huge concern, or at least it indicates a huge concern.
00:36:12.760The argument, the justification for the letter to Anthropic to deny access to foreign nationals is based on a report by Amazon that they were able to jailbreak the fable model.
00:36:29.340Now, what that means, basically, is this artificial intelligence model has safety layers put on it to refuse any sort of malicious prompt to make sure that people can't use it to ask how to create a malware or a bioweapon or anything like that.
00:36:49.200So by jailbreaking, what that means is you're able to kind of tease out this forbidden information, this malicious potentiality from the system.
00:36:59.980And so that's what the report was. The report was it came from Amazon saying that they were able to get around some of those safeguards in the system.
00:37:08.760And so that would mean then if you extrapolate out from there that possibly other even more dangerous types of info hazards can be teased out of it.
00:37:18.940And so I don't really know without actually seeing any of the evidence.
00:37:24.760None of us can really know for sure whether it's an overreaction or whether it's serious.
00:37:28.700But we do know this sets a precedent. It sets a precedent, Steve, that yes, the government has now stepped in and said, you have to basically shut your system down in effect.
00:37:41.160And that's totally that's there's not nothing even remotely close to that had happened before.
00:37:47.740white house this is huge and this is um and remember we're the people in back of deconstructing
00:37:55.200the administrative state and take on the deep state but and i want to quote a buried lead from
00:37:59.500one of the actions reports this morning access done a fantastic job on this number one the white
00:38:03.780house leaks a lot of stuff to axios is in one of the stories and i'll put it up on social media
00:38:09.720and have elizabeth highlight for us it buried down in the story is that hello the companies
00:38:15.920themselves admit they don't really have control of these models. They don't really know. That's
00:38:23.020what's the danger here. And I want you to explain to the audience why commerce saying that no
00:38:30.100foreign national can use this or have any access to it, why that in and of itself immediately
00:38:36.480shuts down Anthropics' ability to promulgate this, sir. Well, it's really impossible for them to0.89
00:38:44.820to be able to actually sit. You can, of course, track where an account that is prompting the
00:38:53.140system is coming from. But the water itself says that no foreign national even on American soil
00:38:58.720is allowed to use Fable. So the only real solution to that was what Anthropic did. You just shut it
00:39:05.940down. You cut off all access and they just reverted back to their previous less powerful models. So
00:39:13.320So it's a bit of play there. You can tell that there is a little bit of game play because clearly the Commerce Department and the Trump administration would know that they can't just go in and one by one single out who is and isn't an American citizen, ask for passports.
00:39:31.180Although something like that, this is one of the fears, Steve, is that something like that, as we move forward into a more regulated environment, that access to any digital platform could be determined by digital IDs, biometric IDs.
00:39:45.600You know, this has been this is kind of parallel push. It's a problem that it's certainly worth lingering on, but maybe not now.
00:39:52.840this this order is it's both a precedent for the government stepping in and saying your technology
00:40:02.320is too dangerous for the general access across the world and so you have to rein it in you have
00:40:11.760to shut it down that that would be almost like steve it would be like if they asked boeing
00:40:16.520to recall uh all of their jets in a specific line i mean it's it's enormous and if it's an act of
00:40:24.460retribution it's still important because it sets a precedent if it's an overreaction
00:40:28.160it's still important because it won't be one day on down the road and it's also kind of ironic a
00:40:35.040lot of people have noted the the irony the amusing irony that dario amadei and the guys at anthropic
00:40:39.680have been the loudest asking for this very sort of action that the government should have the power
00:40:45.320He shut down powerful models. And, you know, it's funny that within just a few days of Amadei releasing his essays, asking for this very thing, he got it.
00:40:55.040He got it, baby. This is why we were advocates in the structure of this, that does not be voluntary by the companies, but they have to actually be mandatory and it should be at least 90 days out.
00:41:06.880why? You can avoid a situation like this. You actually have people that can work with the
00:41:11.720companies and go through it and make sure to the degree possible, Joe, that everything's kind of
00:41:17.400taken care of. We know what we're doing when it's promulgated, not after it's promulgated,
00:41:20.600have to step in here. I mean, that's the whole, the irony, one of the ironies, the many ironies
00:41:26.000here is that a week after the president signed the executive order of mandatory versus voluntary,
00:41:36.880And we know the president was the one that actually wanted to put this thing out
00:41:39.840because some of the biggest oligarchs didn't want anything in writing.
00:41:43.580So to me, the president's got to be giving kudos there.
00:41:46.580But you're actually, to me, it exemplifies the fact of why you've got to have a system like this
00:41:52.360and you've got to do it earlier, and you can avoid situations like this.
00:41:59.160Well, I just want to go back to a point you made before about the black box nature of advanced AI.
00:42:06.880that they don't know what's going on inside these systems.
00:42:10.960So it's impossible to be 100% sure that you won't have a system that does anything from providing code that creates malware,
00:42:22.540that's malicious, that exploits vulnerabilities, to provide information on how to create bioweapons or any other kind of improvised device.
00:42:31.320You can't stop it necessarily from telling children to kill themselves.
00:42:36.660So the black box nature means that it's going to be, it's very difficult to imagine other than using safeguards to create something like Fable where it's completely nerfed and it won't even tell you what cell biology, the details of cell biology for fear that you will use that for bioweapons.
00:42:57.120It's impossible to imagine a world of advanced artificial intelligence where the public simply has access to all of it, and it doesn't end up becoming, as we see right now, becoming a technology that more and more is used within the national security state or within corporations who have security clearance.
00:43:18.940because it is by its very nature dangerous it's not like people are making it up when they say
00:43:24.960that these systems can run an amateur through the process of creating a bioweapon or run an
00:43:32.580amateur through the process of creating massively destructive cyber weapons so yeah it's going
00:43:38.800forward it's going to be very difficult i think to keep this under wraps uh joe uh real quickly
00:43:46.880where do they go to get your writings and where can people follow your
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