Bannon's War Room - June 15, 2026


Episode 5445： President Trump Arrives At G7 After Pushing Peace With Iran

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In this episode of the War Room, Senior Navy Commander in Chief Admiral Jonathan Fennell joins us to discuss the latest on the Iran situation, including a possible deal between the United States and Iran, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps and the Joint Improvised Explosive Device Defeat Organization.

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00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:00:07.000 Pray for our enemies.
00:00:09.000 Because we're going medieval on these people.
00:00:12.000 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:00:17.000 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:00:19.000 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:00:20.000 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,
00:00:22.000 but you're not going to stop it.
00:00:23.000 It's going to happen.
00:00:24.000 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
00:00:27.000 Mega Media.
00:00:29.000 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:34.580 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:38.320 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:00:44.620 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Vann.
00:00:50.500 Monday, 15 June, Year of the Lord, 2026.
00:00:52.960 We're going to see the president and his motorcade here momentarily in France.
00:00:58.520 He's at the G7.
00:00:59.900 He'll punch it out for the next couple of days with, quote-unquote, our allies in Europe.
00:01:05.500 He will also then go to Turkey to the NATO conference.
00:01:12.560 Captain Fennell, if there is a signing of this MOU, if it takes place Friday, which I think is highly problematic, but we'll find out how it works.
00:01:21.080 It looks like right now it's going to be J.D. Vance in some sort of—the vice president with some sort of—
00:01:26.320 It's not exactly the battleship Missouri in Tokyo Harbor on September 5th.
00:01:33.400 The instrument is not an instrument of surrender.
00:01:36.200 You would agree with that, sir?
00:01:39.080 Yeah, I don't think it's the same as what happened in Tokyo 1 in 1945, certainly.
00:01:46.100 So where are we?
00:01:47.740 The American fleet has done its duty far beyond, I think, even what people could anticipate or hope for in the blockade.
00:01:56.320 and at least being ready at the availability to open up poor moves if they had to do it.
00:02:03.640 Walk us through the military assessment.
00:02:05.300 Where do you think we are, and how is that a predicate to get to this interim agreement,
00:02:10.080 and more importantly, the next 60 days, how it leads to some sort of semi-permanent or permanent agreement, sir?
00:02:18.460 Well, Steve, I mean, ideally, this agreement would hold on, be signed on Friday,
00:02:25.160 and they would work through the negotiation points, and we would move on and achieve the
00:02:31.740 goals that the president would have so that we could release the two carrier strike groups,
00:02:36.160 the USS George Bush and the USS Abraham Lincoln, as well as an expositionary strike group. We have
00:02:42.400 over 13,000 sailors at sea right now in the Middle East off the coasts of Iran. I'd like to see those
00:02:49.960 forces in the Pacific. And I think that's the president's actual end goal, is to get us out
00:02:56.600 of this constant quagmire that we've been in for 30-plus years. Where we're at is, as you said,
00:03:02.740 the U.S. Navy, the U.S. fleet has done an effective job with our blockade since May 5th.
00:03:10.460 We've also done this operation called Project Freedom, which has brought out $125 million,
00:03:16.660 is the statement that was made yesterday, barrels of oil. And I know that Eric, you know, doesn't
00:03:22.460 think that's significant, but I recall Eric saying a few weeks ago that nothing was getting out. So
00:03:28.480 something has been getting out and we've been able to operate this, our own, if you will, black 0.66
00:03:34.220 dark fleet to get it out, resources out of the Gulf. So that demonstrates the effectiveness of 0.95
00:03:41.620 our campaign during Epic Fury, where we launched over 13,000 strikes against over 1,200 targets.
00:03:49.920 And, you know, I think Americans are hard to under, hard pressed sometimes to understand what
00:03:55.340 combat means. And I have a friend of mine who just arrived in Kiev over the weekend. And last
00:04:01.040 night at one o'clock in the morning, he sent me a text and said, I'm running down to the bunker
00:04:04.860 because missiles are raining down on Kiev from Russia. And he's, he's a guy that's never been 0.78
00:04:10.700 in combat and he's never seen these things, and he was really shocked and amazed at how
00:04:15.640 bad it is.
00:04:16.640 And I don't think Americans truly can appreciate what 40 days of epic fury and all those attacks
00:04:22.940 that went against the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps' military and the regular military
00:04:28.020 to destroy their strategic surface-to-air missiles, their naval forces, their air forces,
00:04:34.540 and other key and critical military-industrial complex capabilities.
00:04:40.340 we did a really hell of a job, not just our Navy, but it was a joint force. But I agree with you,
00:04:45.480 the Navy was one of the lead components on a lot of this. And then here we were last weekend,
00:04:50.900 another two days of strikes, 49 T-LAMs on the 11th, to remind, you know, the leadership in Tehran,
00:04:59.720 hey, if you don't come to the table, we're going to, we still have this, as Secretary of War Hegs
00:05:05.020 said, we have these compel options. So as long as our 13,000 sailors on two carrier strike groups
00:05:11.640 and one expeditionary strike group, and our air forces and army forces still remain in theater,
00:05:17.560 we're going to be able to verify pretty quickly whether or not Iran is complying with the first
00:05:23.220 large item, which is to open the strait. So we'll know if the strait's open or not. And I'll just
00:05:29.820 tell you, in the last hour and a half, the St. Kitts, Nevis-flagged cargo tanker Kaiser
00:05:35.940 just transited out of the middle of the Strait of Hormuz, right down the middle, and nothing
00:05:41.740 happened to it. So we will be able to know rather quickly whether or not the Iranians
00:05:46.760 are playing games with us. And if they are, I would fully expect that we're going to go 1.00
00:05:51.300 back and remind them again. The real hard part, in my sense, is the nuclear.
00:05:57.040 there. What do you mean, talk to me about that, because we don't even get to discuss that until
00:06:03.220 after we sign this agreement where we agreed to agree to kind of work through things. Why do you
00:06:08.580 think that's a hard part? Well, we all remember what we did with Saddam, you know, 35 years ago 0.57
00:06:14.500 and how hard that was to get that guy to verify anything about what he was doing in his country. 1.00
00:06:20.020 The Iranians could play the same kind of games and make it difficult for us to get in. If they do
00:06:25.440 that, I, my sense of from what I heard from the administrations yesterday from the sec
00:06:30.800 war and the vice president is that that'll be a non-starter and we're going to go back
00:06:35.120 to compelling options.
00:06:36.960 So I think the difference will be whether or not we can see if we're moving rather quickly
00:06:42.340 into processes where we get people on the ground to be able to go to these locations
00:06:47.880 and start inspecting and verifying the locations of fissile material.
00:06:52.320 and then the idea of how to get it out. That could take some longer time. But if they stonewall us in
00:06:57.800 the first 30 days and don't let us get in country to look at this stuff, that's going to be a
00:07:02.240 violation, I think, and the president and his team won't accept that. This is the major fundamental
00:07:07.460 difference between what this agreement, this MOU offers, proposes, than JCPOA from the Obama era.
00:07:16.740 This will be based upon verifiable performance metrics.
00:07:22.080 And we can laugh at that.
00:07:23.220 We can say, oh, that's not going to happen.
00:07:24.700 But the language is very clear.
00:07:27.480 It's performance-based.
00:07:29.320 And Iranian press isn't saying that. 0.77
00:07:31.260 Iranians aren't going to put that out to their people.
00:07:34.340 Clearly, they're not going to say that.
00:07:36.740 No, the Iranian media is very blunt.
00:07:40.600 This is a capitulation of the United States.
00:07:42.180 The United States lost, and they're capitulating.
00:07:44.520 They're not shy about this.
00:07:46.060 People should understand that.
00:07:47.220 In Iran, you get a very different take.
00:07:49.080 This is full capitulation. 0.92
00:07:50.780 They want everything.
00:07:51.600 They're going to get $24 billion.
00:07:53.820 Maybe they get it over time.
00:07:54.900 They're getting their $24 billion, and they'll get a $300 billion reconstruction fund that
00:07:59.860 we're not taking money from them to pay for what it costs us, that somehow the United
00:08:04.120 States is going to be involved in maybe not putting in the $300 billion, but setting up
00:08:08.100 a structure for the $300 billion.
00:08:10.420 The Iranian media could not be more blunt about their take on this.
00:08:15.460 This is a capitulation of the United States, correct?
00:08:19.280 That's their view.
00:08:20.480 That doesn't mean that it's a correct view.
00:08:23.340 The idea that they're just going to get $24 billion as soon as we sign this thing is not what the president and his team have said.
00:08:30.020 So that's where the rubber will meet the road is whether or not the Iranians, in their minds, 0.61
00:08:36.180 we're just saying that for propaganda purposes for their own population,
00:08:40.320 or if they're really going to be hardliners on this and say, hey, give us some money or we're
00:08:44.960 not going to do anything. And I tell you, again, it seems very clear that the president will,
00:08:50.620 if they don't start performing to these things that are in this agreement, he's going to go
00:08:55.920 back to the compelling case. And as the SEC war said last night, these strikes over the weekend
00:09:01.120 were revealing, he said, because it demonstrates the Iranians cannot sense or see. And so the fact 0.89
00:09:08.180 that we were able to do these operations, we were able to conduct Project Freedom to get
00:09:14.560 Dark Fleet oil out under their noses, is all a demonstration of the success of those 40 days of
00:09:21.760 epic fury. So no matter what happens, we have rolled back the Iranian military machine for at 0.99
00:09:28.400 least two decades. If that alone, that's something of use. Captain Fennell, hang on a second. Let me 1.00
00:09:35.660 bring Kurt Mills. Kurt, you missed Rabbi
00:09:37.480 Walicki said, hey,
00:09:39.600 people have confused, and he's been pretty clear
00:09:41.480 that the strategic goals
00:09:43.440 of the Israelis and the Americans
00:09:45.400 have been different from the beginning, that guys like
00:09:47.500 Mark Levin
00:09:48.080 confused that, but the Israelis
00:09:51.700 have their own strategy, their own
00:09:53.600 focus, and that they're
00:09:55.760 going to now fight out a
00:09:57.540 two-front war against Hamas, and particularly
00:09:59.560 Hezbollah in Lebanon,
00:10:01.140 and they're going to fight it out. It makes sense for them. 0.99
00:10:03.720 It makes even more political sense for Netanyahu, and the United States is just going to have to live with that, sir. 0.75
00:10:12.280 Maybe, but I think there are consequences for what you've been observing for at least a year, that Israel is a protector of the United States. 0.68
00:10:19.040 And so what you've seen in the course of this war with the Israelis basically trying to get the United States into the war to do their bidding is that we've become enmeshed. 0.60
00:10:29.020 And to end the war on the U.S. side, America has had to make guarantees to the Iranians that the Israelis will at least vaguely honor some red lines.
00:10:39.800 And so Lebanon has been a key linchpin of the Iranian strategy throughout this, a curious linchpin, but one that appears that it largely worked for the goals of the Iranians to secure their own security.
00:10:53.520 So I think the idea that Netanyahu, in essence, can go back into Lebanon and not disrupt the entire peace, I think is not really—unless Willicky has information that I don't, which is entirely possible, I don't think that's going to be received well in the White House because we already saw what happened this weekend.
00:11:11.140 Hebe went in.
00:11:12.120 Trump got furious.
00:11:13.580 Trump imposed terms on the Israelis. 1.00
00:11:16.120 Now, I agree in the abstract. 0.50
00:11:17.660 If Israel wants to do this, then they shouldn't have a random understanding with the U.S. 0.63
00:11:23.000 Hang on, hang on, hang on. I want to make sure that he's saying, hang on, what Rabbi Walicki said is that this just wasn't any attack.
00:11:32.840 This was the Iranians who, Hezbollah is not a proxy, they're really an arm of their military, that these attacks were very deliberate, very focused and very smart, but had to be responded to.
00:11:46.240 There wasn't an option not to respond to him. In fact, that us try to restrict him might even have been immoral, but at least was strategically and tactically incorrect. Your thoughts? 0.95
00:11:58.160 I don't think this has anything to do with the United States. I don't think it matters at all if Hezbollah has control of southern Lebanon. I don't think this affects Americans. I don't think this is what Americans voted for. I think they're not a danger to the United States.
00:12:11.200 Yeah. Is Hezbollah full of hard Lebanese dudes? Sure.
00:12:15.600 But if the U.S. simply didn't mess in this region, I don't think there's a serious case of blowback.
00:12:21.560 These are not al-Qaeda. These are not ISIS. These are not Sunni millinery and terrorists.
00:12:26.600 I think there's a willful conflation by Israeli intellectuals and authorities to scare Americans into basically getting involved in the civil war, which we have no fair.
00:12:37.180 Hang on a second. Rabbi Boulicki, I've got about two minutes. I've got to go to break.
00:12:40.580 your observations, sir?
00:12:45.520 My observations about what Kirchha said?
00:12:49.280 Yeah, or what reality is, if that's not reality.
00:12:56.640 Look, the leader of Hezbollah was appointed in Tehran.
00:13:03.960 I just want to make sure that this point really gets very clear.
00:13:07.940 The Hezbollah leadership is appointed in Tehran.
00:13:11.800 When the pagers exploded, one of the pagers that exploded was on the body of the Iranian ambassador to Beirut. 0.95
00:13:19.900 This is the Hezbollah leadership. 0.82
00:13:21.900 Hezbollah is Iran. 0.85
00:13:24.320 It really has little to do with Lebanon other than the fact that they occupy Lebanon. 0.90
00:13:30.320 They've occupied Lebanon since the early 80s.
00:13:33.040 This isn't about a Lebanese civil war.
00:13:34.980 This is about attacks on Israel from the Iranian Revolutionary Guard forces in Lebanon that are now, the Lebanese people are screaming every day to get rid of Hezbollah so that they could live a normal life and have normalized relations with their neighbors.
00:13:57.380 and israel is seeking the peace of its northern communities that's what that's what's going on
00:14:03.400 in lebanon and to restrain israel and and i think he misunderstood the point that i made
00:14:08.720 when you when you raised the point that that what what that what the iranians were doing when they
00:14:12.600 were attacking israel was trying to drive a wedge between the u.s and israel when he says it has
00:14:18.300 nothing to do with americans sure in in theory what happens in lebanon has nothing to do with
00:14:22.320 americans but the iranians were trying to provoke the israelis so that president trump would lash
00:14:28.400 out at prime minister netanyahu when israel responded which we had to do that is that's the
00:14:34.480 point that i was making and i think it was just uh it was just a little bit misunderstood there
00:14:38.000 i just want to make sure that your viewers fully understand that okay hang on and and
00:14:42.400 hang on hang on i'm gonna save the good hang on rabbi licky kurt mills captain finnell
00:14:46.560 Now, Elizabeth Mitchell is going to join us on a different topic momentarily.
00:14:52.600 We're going to take a short commercial break. 0.97
00:14:53.840 We'll return to war in just a moment.
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00:16:58.020 J.D. just said it out.
00:16:59.640 There's going to be access to a $300 billion.
00:17:01.600 This is from the vice president.
00:17:02.620 It's going to be access to a $300 billion reconstruction fund funded by the Gulf Emirates, funded by the Gulf Emirates, not the United States, funded by the Gulf Emirates.
00:17:14.420 I don't know what our role is going to be, but it is going to be a $300 billion reconstruction.
00:17:19.120 So they're not paying us.
00:17:21.180 Somehow we're going to make sure that they get paid.
00:17:24.920 I'm going to get Curt back here in a second.
00:17:26.760 Rabbi Willicki, I think you would agree with me that whatever J.D. signs or whatever is signed, and Trita Parsi, I still think, has got this right.
00:17:34.800 I'm not so sure anything's ever really going to get signed.
00:17:37.260 But what President Trump has structured here is not going to be a signing like on the battleship Missouri in Tokyo Harbor on September 5th of 1945, correct?
00:17:47.940 Why is that? 0.87
00:17:48.980 And why do the Persians, and we've got to be blunt about this, their media, they're mocking us right now.
00:17:55.760 They say this is a capitulation of the Zionist American Empire, sir.
00:18:03.840 Well, first a little bit of history, Steve.
00:18:06.880 Shiite, you know, we all know the terms Shiite and Sunni, but most Americans, even though they just know there's two groups of Muslims, there's actually more than two, but they don't know what that really means.
00:18:15.940 Shiite Islam's origin story was after Muhammad, there was a power struggle between a couple of his grandsons.
00:18:25.200 and there was and the Shiites basically were were massacred the the first Shiites they were
00:18:32.520 founded by this Imam Ibn Ali and and there was this battle at Karbala that they lost they got
00:18:37.860 but they weren't totally destroyed and the whole ethos of Shiite Islam one of the one of the just
00:18:44.200 the key ideas is that when you suffer and when you are up against the man when you're up against a
00:18:50.440 more powerful foe and you survive and you're not destroyed and you show resilience and you're able
00:18:56.880 to continue on, that's a sign that Allah loves you and that's a sign that you will ultimately
00:19:02.660 be victorious. They view their very survival as victory. But more than that, if you go back to
00:19:10.380 February 28th, when President Trump stood before the nation, he gave an eight-minute speech laying
00:19:15.260 out the objectives of this war. And he laid out four objectives. He said, we're going to destroy
00:19:21.200 their Navy. We're going to destroy their ballistic missile capability. We will destroy their proxy
00:19:25.740 network or their ability to fund the proxies. And we'll make sure that they no longer have
00:19:29.980 an ability to have a nuclear weapon. And then later in the speech, he said to the
00:19:34.480 Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, to the IRGC, I say, lay down your weapons or face certain death.
00:19:41.140 And then he turned to the Iranian people in that speech. And he ended off the speech by saying,
00:19:45.260 The hour of your freedom is at hand.
00:19:47.440 Very soon you will be able to take your government back.
00:19:50.240 We're going to create those conditions for you.
00:19:52.220 Now, the Iranian regime, when they saw that speech, get yourself into their heads.
00:19:57.080 What are they thinking?
00:19:58.180 How are we going to survive this onslaught of the Israelis and the Americans? 0.99
00:20:01.300 They know that they're not a more powerful military. 1.00
00:20:04.220 Their whole goal is find a piece of leverage that could make this as painful as possible
00:20:08.780 for President Trump so that he stops short of destroying us, so that he stops short of
00:20:14.060 bringing us down so that he stopped short of achieving those goals. And the leverage that
00:20:18.560 they chose was the Strait of Hormuz. And that strategy worked perfectly. So from their perspective, 0.61
00:20:24.740 and I read Iranian state media every single day, I read a number of their outlets, I read the
00:20:29.580 analytical pieces, I read the news stories, and it is very clear exactly what you say. They are
00:20:34.000 declaring victory. They see their resilience and their survival against a foe who vowed to destroy
00:20:39.860 them and bring them down. And the fact that they're not destroyed and that they're still in power
00:20:43.900 And that the Americans backed off, the American Zionist alliance backed off that. And again, in Shiite culture and in Persian culture, that is the ultimate sign of victory, that you resisted a more powerful foe and you got them to back down. That shows that you are more powerful.
00:21:03.700 Now, Captain Finnell could be right.
00:21:06.040 Oh, just because they frame it that way doesn't mean we need to.
00:21:09.240 Well, it doesn't exactly work that way because if you've empowered those people, if you've
00:21:13.020 empowered that regime, that also means that in their own culture, in their own country,
00:21:16.980 the people of Iran also interpret it all that way because they come from that culture.
00:21:21.840 They see America as having backed off and they see President Trump as having either
00:21:26.960 not had the will or not had the ability to carry out his original stated objectives.
00:21:31.700 Now, I'm not saying that that means that President Trump should have stated them or should be carrying them out.
00:21:37.120 The point is that that's how they see it.
00:21:39.600 Hang on.
00:21:41.600 Kurt Mills, your observations on that.
00:21:44.900 Yeah, I mean, I just like the whole framing is entirely off.
00:21:48.080 I mean, the way of describing Shiite Islam or the Iranian authorities as uniquely interested in survival or uniquely interested in explaining their own positions to their own people.
00:22:00.040 The idea that we don't do this ourselves, that we don't want to survive, that we don't valorize resilience, I think this is a human trait, not an Islamic trait or a Muslim trait or a Shia trait.
00:22:12.140 So I'm not really sure what the relevance of that is.
00:22:14.380 As to the actual deal, the $300 billion fund, allegedly, if any of this money ever gets dispersed, as you correctly observed, Steve, will be done by people in the region.
00:22:26.420 Where is their business?
00:22:27.740 Where this is already going on?
00:22:29.040 There was an Emirati side deal announced over the weekend.
00:22:32.060 I think it was $25 billion from the Emiratis to the Iranians.
00:22:35.500 And just reminding everybody, the UAE is among the most hawkish, if not the most hawkish
00:22:39.500 Gulf states, to just get the war over with. 0.89
00:22:42.800 I mean, this is good. 0.56
00:22:44.440 Remember, this was entirely about, originally, about the nuclear file.
00:22:48.320 No one's even talking about the nuclear file anymore.
00:22:50.680 This issue's been entirely punted.
00:22:52.620 And the Iranians themselves, say what you will, yeah, they're going to go on state media
00:22:56.380 and say some stuff. 0.99
00:22:57.260 But like, you know, they were who we thought they were.
00:23:00.680 And if you actually read the analysis, you actually read what their own people are saying, their own hardliners are upset that they signed this deal.
00:23:08.560 So I think we have a durable peace here if President Trump doesn't cave into thinking that this war has anything to do with the United States in essence, which it doesn't.
00:23:19.240 And this is a sideshow conflict thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of miles away from the United States. 0.95
00:23:27.760 And if the United States doesn't poke the bear, the Iranians will continue running a sort of middling dictatorship. 0.91
00:23:33.620 But that is the Iranians' own people's business, not the business of the United States. 1.00
00:23:39.520 It may be the business of Israel, but why should we care? 0.73
00:23:43.680 Israel is the most powerful country in the region. 0.68
00:23:45.660 They have nuclear weapons, hundreds of them, which they don't can see that they do.
00:23:49.900 They can protect themselves. 0.60
00:23:51.620 And the action here, the derelvention, is that only one country in the Middle East is seeking to expand with American taxpayer dollars, and that is Israel. 0.58
00:24:01.340 It is not Iran.
00:24:02.360 It is not the Gulf.
00:24:05.340 Rabbi Woleki, your thoughts?
00:24:09.140 Israel is not seeking to expand at all.
00:24:11.620 Oh, come on. 1.00
00:24:12.420 That's what's going on in Lebanon. 1.00
00:24:13.460 Hang on. 0.71
00:24:14.320 hang on rabbi waliki what what is going on in lebanon the greater israel project
00:24:21.260 is the figment of your imagination the there's no such thing as the greater israel project
00:24:29.180 israel seeks to defend its borders and every every single citizen of israel it's unbelievable
00:24:34.680 the only country in the world that has ever surrendered land for peace multiple times is
00:24:38.720 now getting accused of wanting to expand itself. Israel wants to secure its borders. If Hezbollah
00:24:45.680 did not set up tunnels and rocket launchers and militias along our northern border and started 0.61
00:24:51.300 shelling our northern communities relentlessly, Israel would never set foot in Lebanon. And the
00:24:56.860 day that Hezbollah is removed from Lebanon, Israel will withdraw every single boot on the ground 0.89
00:25:02.700 from Lebanon. No one in Israel has any desire to own any piece of Lebanon or any piece of Syria
00:25:08.920 Frankly, we tried to give the Gaza Strip back to Egypt when we returned the Sinai to them.
00:25:14.080 They refused to take it.
00:25:16.000 Look, Israel doesn't want to expand its borders.
00:25:18.180 Israel wants to defend its borders.
00:25:20.460 And unfortunately, when you have these militias that set up right on our border and start firing at our civilians,
00:25:26.220 we need to go in and do something about it when the sovereign nation, Lebanon in this case, does nothing about it.
00:25:32.220 There's no—
00:25:32.860 Rabbi, we'll get into this daily.
00:25:36.640 Hang on, hang on, hang on. 0.79
00:25:38.300 We're going to wrap up now, but would you agree that Israel, to do what you just said about Hezbollah, 0.66
00:25:45.040 Israel will end up doing that on their own, that it's pretty obvious the United States has no real interest in furthering that,
00:25:51.900 that if you guys want to do it, you're not a vassal state, you're not a protectorate, you're your own sovereign nation,
00:25:57.040 that if that has to happen, as you said, it has to happen, you guys will have to do that on your own?
00:26:03.540 It's going to happen one way or another, because the Lebanese government does not really have the wherewithal.
00:26:10.500 The Lebanese army is not as strong as Hezbollah, and there are elements in the Lebanese army that are actually aligned with Hezbollah.
00:26:16.340 They're never going to disarm Hezbollah, even though they said they were going to.
00:26:19.700 And the Israelis were not going to tolerate these terrorists firing missiles and rockets into our communities in the north of Israel. 0.66
00:26:28.880 So Israel, yeah, Israel is going to go clean it out. 0.84
00:26:30.960 And once Hezbollah is actually gone, we'll be able to normalize relations with Lebanon. 0.77
00:26:35.220 The only reason that Lebanese politicians ever condemn Israel is because they're afraid of Hezbollah coming after them.
00:26:42.060 The Lebanese people are increasingly in favor of peace deals with Israel because they want Hezbollah gone.
00:26:47.520 But in your theory of the case, which is saying, hey, Ben, and you guys are wrong, you and Boling keep saying Hezbollah is a proxy.
00:26:54.780 It's not. It is a hardwired part of the Iranian army.
00:26:58.840 In doing that, you guys will stay in a direct war with Iran, 0.81
00:27:03.660 in a war that if you're going to crush Hezbollah, will only expand?
00:27:09.540 Not necessarily. It depends how the Iranians behave. 0.87
00:27:12.600 You know, for many of, over the course of the last 47 years, 0.58
00:27:16.900 or really Hezbollah has been around for about 43 years,
00:27:19.820 over the course of that time, Iran has not joined our skirmishes with Hezbollah most of the time.
00:27:25.060 They did it last week and they did it one other time over the last couple of years.
00:27:29.980 They generally don't start firing from Iran.
00:27:33.640 And they're getting desperate now because they see their grip on Lebanon slipping through their fingers with Israel degrading Hezbollah every single day.
00:27:42.560 Unfortunately, and this is what I, at the beginning of this conversation today, I said this.
00:27:46.300 unfortunately tying israel's hands and saying keep things quiet in lebanon stop attacking hezbollah
00:27:51.820 it condemns the lebanese people to continue to live under the thumb of iran and it means that
00:27:57.980 israel is being told that you cannot deal with an enemy that's firing rockets at you none of those
00:28:02.600 those two things are intolerable yeah we will have a much better relationship with our lebanese 0.87
00:28:08.020 neighbors if we can if israel is given a free hand to go in there and destroy hezbollah which 0.66
00:28:13.540 no one else is willing to do. We've got about 30 seconds. Where do people get your content, sir? 0.83
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00:29:48.920 Congress is going to review it, because that's not discussed either.
00:29:53.180 Yes, Congress will have to look at this.
00:29:56.360 And most importantly, they're going to look at whether this deal can be upheld.
00:30:01.320 I suspect. Now, this should be treated as a treaty, as a treaty under the Constitution for
00:30:09.080 we constitutional conservatives. But Obama and Congress, Democrats and all Republicans but one,
00:30:19.240 Tom Cotton, all of them decided not to apply the treaty requirements under the Constitution.
00:30:25.260 Hang on.
00:30:27.680 Kurt Mills, now Tel Aviv Levin, who's been President Trump's biggest supporter and best friend,
00:30:33.820 and he's the true voice of MAGA, as he tells us every day.
00:30:36.960 Now Tel Aviv Levin. 0.99
00:30:38.600 Levin, this shows you what a total phony you are. 0.99
00:30:41.640 Nothing shows. 1.00
00:30:42.180 Your own words show what a total phony.
00:30:45.040 After saying President Trump is the greatest president in the unilateralism,
00:30:48.240 keep the war powers out of you, what are you doing now when it diverges?
00:30:52.520 And we're like, he was right.
00:30:53.620 There has been a strategic divergence from the beginning, and he was the one that said guys like Levin cloud this up.
00:31:00.760 Now you've got Levin in all his glory.
00:31:02.820 Now he wants to go to the APAC-affiliated Congress, right, and this gets to the whole thing of the merger, the defense bases, all of it.
00:31:12.720 You couldn't be a bigger phony, and I think the president of the United States understands that.
00:31:19.720 Kurt Mills, your thoughts?
00:31:21.860 Yeah, I mean, two observations.
00:31:23.140 Number one, I don't like to attack people's appearances almost ever, but I'm losing my mind about this.
00:31:27.460 What is going on with his right flag lapel?
00:31:30.480 And it gets bigger by the week.
00:31:32.340 It's now effectively a jeweled brooch.
00:31:35.380 I need I need an investigation of what's going on here.
00:31:38.800 But more but substantively, substantively, you are correct in observing two things with the Congress thing. 0.99
00:31:47.180 Number one, he is talking to the president of the United States like he's an imbecile. 0.98
00:31:52.620 So he doesn't reference Trump. He just says Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama. It's not Obama's deal. This is Trump's deal. Secondarily, Congress, and not just Levin, Levin thankfully not in the Congress, Congress is utterly cynical. 0.99
00:32:07.960 People like Lindsey Graham. There's no congressional role, as there is in the Constitution, for when a war is declared or a war is all but declared.
00:32:18.400 But all of a sudden, if the president of the United States wants to end military hostilities, then it needs to be subjected to congressional oversight.
00:32:25.380 It's just this is open, naked, cynical contradiction at its finest. 0.99
00:32:30.280 They are treating their viewers like they are dumb. They are treating the president like he is stupid. 1.00
00:32:35.420 And I think enough is enough. And the markets today and the reception of the public to this deal is going to be positive, no matter what people want to say about capitulation, surrender. 1.00
00:32:46.320 This is a victory for Trump. This is good that we moved on. The United States made the right call here.
00:32:53.360 Kurt, where do people get you over the American Conservative?
00:32:57.220 Thanks. The magazine is www.theamericanconservative.com, founded in 2002 against the Iraq War by Pat Buchanan and others.
00:33:05.420 And you can find my own work at C-U-R-T-M-I-L-L-S on X.
00:33:10.100 Thank you, Steve.
00:33:11.360 Kurt, you do agree that this ain't your last time coming on here to talk about this.
00:33:15.360 We got a long, tough slog through this.
00:33:17.920 And my fear is that even with the process President Trump's trying to get going in the MOU, in the longer negotiations, we're stuck over here.
00:33:27.980 Unless people are adamant about it, and I intend to be adamant about it, we're going to be stuck over there for a long time to come? 0.68
00:33:33.300 it's the middle east man nothing new under the sun um luckily for sickos like us we can talk 0.85
00:33:38.960 about it further but yes the the it's a sideshow to a sideshow as i said at the national conservative
00:33:44.760 convention back in early june of 2025 kurt mills thank you captain finnell you get the last word
00:33:52.620 here where are we in all of this and what is the importance of the american military in this sir
00:33:57.480 we're gonna have to wait for the actual signing of this agreement so we have five days to wait
00:34:03.940 to see what behind the scenes uh negotiations continue to work through any hard points and
00:34:10.520 then we'll have to watch and see what happens do you feel good captain finnell captain finnell do
00:34:14.280 you feel good about that we're going to be party to if not writing a check somehow putting together
00:34:21.320 a $300 billion reconstruction fund for the regime financed by Qatar, UAE, and the Saudis, sir?
00:34:31.580 Well, as you've said repeatedly over the last two or three months, that the Gulf states don't
00:34:37.020 produce. So I'm not too worried about that right now. Really, what I'm worried about is to see if
00:34:42.040 the Iranians actually start making actual movements and opening the strait and allowing
00:34:49.720 inspectors in. And if those things happen, then we can talk about 300 billion. But I'm not concerned
00:34:54.740 about that today. What I'm concerned about today is let's see if they move and they act. And if
00:34:59.420 they do, then we can move our military forces into the Indo-Pacific to face the larger and 0.95
00:35:06.440 more serious threat from the People's Republic of China. But we're not there yet. So let's. 0.92
00:35:12.600 What is the main thing, sir?
00:35:14.920 the threat from the PRC. They have vowed to destroy the United States of America,
00:35:20.980 and they have the wherewithal in the economy to do that at a much, much greater scale 0.97
00:35:25.820 than Iran or Russia together. So we have some serious issues in the Indo-Pacific, and I hope 0.89
00:35:31.840 what Americans will take from this little two, three, four-month event here in the Middle East 0.50
00:35:38.480 is the importance of naval power in a maritime theater against the PRC.
00:35:44.500 That's the most important thing that I hope Americans understand.
00:35:47.640 The Saudis, the Saudis. 1.00
00:35:49.900 We have destroyed our Navy over the last 40 years. 1.00
00:35:53.980 Amen. Amen.
00:35:55.720 The Saudis and the Persians are the two biggest,
00:35:58.540 I guess they contribute 80% of the energy for the Chinese Communist Party. 0.99
00:36:05.220 Have we missed a tremendous opportunity to choke that off and to choke them off in this excursion, sir? 0.97
00:36:13.480 We have choked them off, maybe not to the degree of zero, 100 percent. 0.66
00:36:18.440 They get zero barrels, but they have drastically reduced the flow of oil that's gone to China.
00:36:24.360 So, you know, take Venezuela and absolute resolve.
00:36:27.040 And now this operation, China's had their cage rattled by what America's done.
00:36:32.040 And they're in a vulnerable point when it comes to their energy.
00:36:35.220 And we should be remembering that as we go forward.
00:36:40.200 Last thing, Scott, I think Besson's in England today.
00:36:43.220 He's going to join the president of G7.
00:36:44.740 The president's there right now.
00:36:45.940 Should the president of the United States authorize Scott Besson to go make a deal with the British and not even, hey, you've got a choice.
00:36:54.980 We'll figure out what your price is.
00:36:56.420 We're going to pay it and take Diego Garcia, sir.
00:37:00.160 Yes, we should take all of the Chagos Islands and put those under U.S. sovereign control. 0.87
00:37:05.220 However we do it, let them work it out. But we cannot rely on the United Kingdom anymore to protect that. And oh, by the way, so everybody knows when Epic Fury stopped and the bombing stopped for the last two months, American naval forces had to go down to Diego Garcia to get new munitions.
00:37:23.800 Our Navy cannot reload T-LAMs at sea, so we have to go down to bases that have T-LAMs in storage and load them aboard.
00:37:32.360 And we did that, and that's why we were able to fire more T-LAMs this weekend.
00:37:36.200 But we need to make sure that we have this critical outpost.
00:37:39.680 We allowed the Biden administration to give away Afghanistan and Bagram Air Base.
00:37:44.460 We better not give away Chagos and Diego Garcia.
00:37:48.740 Where are your writings? Where can people go to get your writings, Captain?
00:37:53.800 I haven't been writing too much lately, but American Greatness when I do.
00:37:56.520 I would like to see, if this deal goes through, I'd like to see the USS Abraham Lincoln go back to her home port on the west coast of the United States via the Taiwan Strait.
00:38:08.100 Amen, brother.
00:38:09.840 Amen.
00:38:11.100 Captain Fennell, thank you.
00:38:12.380 Great minds think alike.
00:38:13.360 captain finnell would appreciate during the first term my recommendation for
00:38:20.440 inauguration day since she had gone out talk smack about us at davos my recommendation as
00:38:28.200 president trump was taking the oath of albus once his hand came off the bible a carrier battle group
00:38:33.600 would would go through transit through the straits of taiwan suck on that ccp didn't happen but that's
00:38:42.460 okay um as uh elizabeth mitchell over the daily signal magnificent piece i want to get it up
00:38:50.000 so elizabeth as young americans men and women are on these carrier battle groups in the north
00:38:57.300 arabian sea defending their country um and uh and we've had 13 of our warriors uh i think die in
00:39:05.700 this killed in action and many many more wounded uh they uh when they come back to the united states
00:39:10.740 They don't have the opportunities. One of the reasons is we have hundreds of thousands of foreign students in our universities. 0.98
00:39:20.820 And they backdoor into being in those universities, their first step to getting a permanent job here in the United States of America. 0.52
00:39:26.640 And there's a lot of folks in the United States of America have had a belly full of this.
00:39:30.280 You've got a brilliant article about all of it. And it's I think, folks, it's not a better day to read that than today.
00:39:37.100 We're talking about MOUs and $300 billion and what we're going to do.
00:39:40.780 And, you know, Israel is going to continue the war up in Lebanon and Turkey is not going to be there's not going to be any Palestinian state because Hamas has not been their weapons have not been taken away.
00:39:53.440 And, you know, we grind through this thing every day and we're going to grind through it every day that to know that the young men and women on those in those carrier battle groups don't have the full access to the blessings of liberty and the pursuit of happiness in their own country.
00:40:09.800 Ma'am. And we're talking about young people who are about to graduate from college, particularly
00:40:16.600 those who studied STEM. Maybe they are prepared to do some coding. They are going to face perhaps
00:40:22.660 a more difficult job market because of this optional practical training program. So the way
00:40:27.860 this works was created in 1992, and it enables foreign students, foreign graduates to get jobs
00:40:35.160 in the United States after graduating. Their visas allow them to stay. And both they and their
00:40:40.460 employer benefit from a tax break, where because of their visa status, they are not taxed for
00:40:46.360 Social Security or Medicare for their first four years, for several years in the United States.
00:40:51.700 And so this incentive would make it easier for tech companies, any kind of company, to hire
00:40:57.900 these foreign graduates than it would Americans. And so this is something that's causing a lot of
00:41:02.500 concern for young people who are looking for jobs in a variety of fields and are going to know that
00:41:08.940 even though this is their country, they're going to perhaps have less of an ability to get these
00:41:13.340 jobs than someone who came here from another country. So this is so outrageous because,
00:41:21.340 you know, we've talked about this optional practical training, OPT. My recommendation,
00:41:28.740 because you're essentially stamping a green card in here to compete with kids. 0.99
00:41:32.020 My recommendation is that you give an exit visa. 0.78
00:41:35.820 Every graduate, every foreign student in this nation should have an exit visa 0.62
00:41:41.820 stamped on their diploma when they pick it up
00:41:43.680 and give them 30 days to hang out and party with their classmates.
00:41:48.400 That's all fine, right?
00:41:49.920 But they got to go.
00:41:51.400 This is the exact opposite, is it not, ma'am?
00:41:53.520 Yes, this is something that the MAGA movement is strongly against, as you've talked about on this show many times. Various Republican Congress members, representatives, senators, a lot of people in the MAGA movement are saying that this program needs to end.
00:42:10.100 And Kristi Noem told Senator Jim Banks that she was examining, evaluating the program
00:42:15.720 to see if it's in line with what the congressional intent was.
00:42:19.660 But we have not heard from Secretary Mark Wayne Mullen yet about if he has any intention
00:42:23.620 of doing anything about this program.
00:42:25.660 I've asked the White House.
00:42:26.620 I've asked DHS.
00:42:27.540 I have not heard anything about plans to change this program.
00:42:31.000 All DHS would need to do is create a new rule.
00:42:34.620 This could take as little as 60 days, really.
00:42:37.720 It would depend on the amount of time they use for the comment period.
00:42:40.740 But it would be very simple for DHS to do away with this program.
00:42:43.680 But we have not heard after a year and a half of the Trump administration, no movement on any of BT.
00:42:48.420 So Congress is taking it into their own hands as they wait.
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00:47:27.880 So look, Elizabeth and people, Grace, Moe, Elizabeth, please push this out.
00:47:32.680 It's an amazing piece.
00:47:34.740 And you're doing great work over Daily Signal.
00:47:36.380 Here's what I don't get, Elizabeth Mitchell.
00:47:39.160 uh I don't talk to MAGA like you're in Texas the the the entire thing of the kids here in college
00:47:46.700 and taking the jobs when they look at those kids in the battle groups when they come back home they
00:47:51.280 don't have the opportunities particularly in high value-added STEM jobs because there's so many 0.96
00:47:56.320 foreigners who are not American citizens and our whole purpose of this exercise is put American 1.00
00:48:03.160 citizens first. It's America first, but more importantly, as the Phoenix, Arizona engine room 1.00
00:48:10.740 continues to inform me, it's America citizens first. Why do we have this situation with OPT
00:48:18.880 that now the Trump administration has had for 18 months or a year and a half,
00:48:23.000 and it's not shredded? Why are we allowing foreign students to come here and to compete 0.98
00:48:30.060 with American kids, ma'am? I have two explanations for this, Steve. So first one, something that I 0.99
00:48:37.840 heard from Mark Krikorian at Center for Immigration Studies and Kevin Lynn at U.S. Tech
00:48:42.260 Workers, that was a really smart analysis, is that the president has a view of immigration of
00:48:47.560 legal good, illegal bad. And so that is different than where a lot of members of the party, where
00:48:53.840 we have Senator Jim Banks, Chip Roy, Eli Crane, some even say J.D. Vance, who would say that we
00:48:59.200 have too much immigration overall, including legal immigration, whereas the president is just really
00:49:03.960 focused on getting rid of illegal immigration. So there's kind of a difference in immigration
00:49:08.040 philosophy here that could be partially responsible for this. The second thing I think is playing a
00:49:13.540 role is the president's close relationship with tech executives. We know he's, of course, very
00:49:18.420 close to David Sachs, Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, and these tech companies do think that they
00:49:24.420 benefit. They really support this OPT program because they would say they're able to get the
00:49:29.040 best talent, if they can have these foreign students, and they're also able to get this
00:49:34.700 tax break, we discussed, if they're able to hire foreigners because they're not having to pay for
00:49:39.200 their Medicare and their Social Security. It's sick. We underwrite this. Is there any sense in 0.99
00:49:46.560 your reporting that Mark Wayne Mullen, the new secretary of DHS, is going to take any action?
00:49:51.820 Is anything really happening? Are they just saying, hey, suck on that, too bad? 0.98
00:49:56.680 I talked to Rosemary Jenks from the Immigration Accountability Project, and she told me that she 0.98
00:50:00.500 thinks there are people at DHS who are aware of this program, how it works, and the way that it
00:50:05.880 disadvantages American citizens looking for jobs. So will we see action on this? I did not get any
00:50:11.880 indication that action is coming. Many people I spoke to said they're more optimistic that Congress
00:50:17.080 will act first, and they think that if Congress were able to pass a bill, that perhaps the
00:50:21.500 president would sign that bill. But I did not hear of any movement at DHS, but I'm going to
00:50:25.980 continue closely following this to see if Mark Wayne Mullen is going to do something about this
00:50:30.120 program. Elizabeth, where do people, you're doing a great job over at Daily Signal and Rob Blue and
00:50:35.860 the team over there, the Federalist and Daily Signal are two of the best. I mean, you're at
00:50:42.440 the range of Breitbart and Gateway Pundit, these other great sites. I mean, we have folks, I hope
00:50:49.100 you know, on the right, not only we punch way above our weight, if you assess, I think it's
00:50:55.060 better than the mainstream media. If you look at the depth from Citizens Free Press, you can go
00:50:58.660 there for the links. It's just your information that were put out every day on these different
00:51:04.420 sites. If you go there first and just sweep it, you know, the Financial Times of London and
00:51:08.920 Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Daily Telegraph, Daily Mail, they'll give you the
00:51:14.220 consensus view of the establishment. But the conservatives are just absolutely
00:51:19.060 amazing about the great quality work, including Elizabeth Mitchell over at Daily Signal. Elizabeth,
00:51:25.100 where do people go to keep up with your content, ma'am? Thank you so much. You can read my work
00:51:30.600 at DailySignal.com and follow me on X at TheElizMitchell. And tell folks over there,
00:51:38.560 including Bluey, doing a great job. Bravo Zulu, ma'am. Thank you so much.
00:51:43.860 um there's so much going on we didn't even get to anthropic probably only the biggest story
00:51:51.460 so the um guess what turns out on these models it ain't voluntary it's now mandatory
00:52:00.740 told you now is it just people in the white house are upset with
00:52:05.840 anthropic or is it the other frontier labs with anthropic is this related to the ipo on friday
00:52:13.660 There's a lot of different explanations, and we're going to break it all down.
00:52:16.780 5 o'clock show and 6 are going to be on fire tonight, so please join us then.
00:52:20.840 Charlie Kirk's show is next with Andrew Colvette and the team.
00:52:25.080 Posos at 2.
00:52:26.600 Gruber, I'm going to be on the Eric Bolling show to do a transition at about 4.50.
00:52:31.660 We'll talk about what's happened today.
00:52:33.420 The president of the United States has a packed day already.
00:52:36.200 I think he's got the G4, the European, the E4, they call it,
00:52:40.020 The European nation has already signed up on backing President Trump
00:52:45.580 and lifting sanctions, so this is already in process.
00:52:49.400 And, of course, we're going to, and I realize everybody doesn't agree
00:52:52.060 with Rabbi Willicki.
00:52:53.380 Some people do.
00:52:54.400 Everybody doesn't agree with Kurt Mills.
00:52:56.060 Some do.
00:52:57.400 Everybody doesn't agree with Captain Finnell.
00:52:58.820 That's the whole purpose of the conversation.
00:53:00.560 We want to make sure that you in the war room have been able to weigh
00:53:04.340 and measure and get conflicting opinions and conflicting ideas,
00:53:08.160 I think, for some of the smartest people out there.
00:53:09.900 So really honored to thank those guys for coming on this morning.
00:53:13.140 Sam Fados and Jordan Samar.
00:53:14.420 Hopefully, I'll get Brandon Weikert and others.
00:53:16.900 Okay, we're going to leave you with Natasha Owens.
00:53:19.880 And we are going to be back here at 5 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time.
00:53:23.040 We'll see you then when you're in the world.
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