Bannon's War Room - Episode 5495： Joe Allen Live; Assassination Of Charlie Kirk Trial Begins

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:00:07.320 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:00:12.560 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:16.820 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:18.760 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:20.180 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:00:21.920 but you're not going to stop it.

00:00:22.860 It's going to happen.

00:00:24.120 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:00:27.520 Mega Media.

00:00:28.420 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:34.300 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:38.060 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:44.440 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Vann.

00:00:52.000 Okay, it is Monday, 6th July in the year of our Lord, 2026.

00:00:58.420 We've got the one and only Joe Allen back from extended sabbatical.

00:01:03.520 I don't want to say the great places of the world that you've been, but you've been in some of the great places where some of the best people in the world.

00:01:09.740 That's true. And, you know, I got to say it was in Europe for just a couple of weeks.

00:01:14.660 But the migrant problem in the U.S. is a huge issue for a lot of reasons.

00:01:20.120 But the migrant problem in Europe is a totally different animal.

00:01:24.420 I mean, I read a lot about it. I've seen it off and on from like 2008.

00:01:28.420 until now uh it's very very obvious it's very very clear in the city centers hang over a second

00:01:34.280 i'm really glad joe's here in studio we had a totally different show plan today but because

00:01:40.240 the president went on and hey i'm just saying i don't want to hear all these soccer hey bottom 0.80

00:01:46.800 line the guy is nigerian they moved to london so he's an englishman but they came here to have an 0.99

00:01:54.080 anchor baby boom she was seven months pregnant shouldn't be on the team oh you can't say that 1.00

00:01:59.120 we're going to lose well then put americans in if we lose with americans then you lose with 0.99

00:02:05.360 americans you're giving it that you've given it a uh an effort with americans if you got to go

00:02:10.900 around the world and get foreigners to play for the team then it's not an american national team

00:02:15.420 sorry not sorry anchor baby everybody you know everybody's all worked up for what roberts did

00:02:24.060 Well, look, you got to see, here's the problem, not the problem, because this is the solution.

00:02:33.260 You have to be maniacally focused.

00:02:36.980 We're going to have to do some hard things.

00:02:39.640 This is why you need a man like Bovino back.

00:02:42.780 What did Pasopo and I say all the time about Bovino? 0.95

00:02:44.640 That's the type of guy sees their head when they pacify Gaul.

00:02:48.520 Just saying, you want to save your country?

00:02:51.020 Don't talk to me about saving your country.

00:02:52.840 talk to me about the actions that we need to take to save the country one is mass deportations this

00:02:59.480 is the legal the the legal scams and the hundred million is bovino says illegal but let's start

00:03:06.200 with the 20 we got here on the biden's watch and i believe and to the president of the united states

00:03:12.180 i believe that you're going to see in a couple weeks or less the fruits of pulte and the fruits

00:03:18.420 of john solomon the great john solomon uh that will come out and show you how this is all

00:03:24.500 inextricably linked with foreign countries trying to destroy the united states internally

00:03:28.480 empires and nations don't fall or rarely fall from external threats every now and again like in world

00:03:36.420 war ii these kind of world historical moments when you bomb the nazis and you bomb imperial

00:03:41.480 japan back to the stone age and eventually you have unconditional surrender right you have

00:03:47.960 unconditional surrender or in the civil war where you essentially take sherman's strategy eventually 0.81

00:03:54.340 and say it's just not about the armies you're gonna have to burn the south to the ground

00:03:57.680 new orleans vicksburg columbia atlanta you know 60 mile wide swap in a march to the sea all of it

00:04:05.820 maybe we save savannah richmond burn it all to the ground then they'll give that's unconditional

00:04:11.760 surrender but that doesn't come a lot we're not getting that we're not pulling in the we're not

00:04:17.000 taking the battleship Missouri out of mothballs and putting it up at Boundar Abbas for a signing

00:04:22.500 ceremony, because that very rarely happens. And you see how tough the Persians are. You know, 1.00

00:04:29.300 I think we've done enough militarily to get to a deal and get the hell out of there. Can we please

00:04:35.140 put up the madrasas, the women's sanctuary? These are women's sanctuaries. And people are going to 0.99

00:04:41.580 go nuts. He called it madrasas and he called it terrorist training sites. Hey, it's all one in

00:04:46.740 the same it's still the mind thing she didn't think enough of the country to stick around it's

00:04:51.520 not like you're some wife of a mayor in you know in in one of our magnificent yet small

00:04:59.240 towns in rural america you guys brag all the time how you run in new york and how you're you know 0.92

00:05:06.220 the marxist jihadists are running new york why don't you just have enough class to stick around 0.61

00:05:10.140 for the $250 to at least give enough 0.95

00:05:12.860 to back up the phony talk your husband gave

00:05:16.280 on Friday in back of George Washington's desk

00:05:19.540 instead of flying out and just saying, 0.98

00:05:21.940 suck on this America, I could care less. 0.99

00:05:25.480 To the sanctuary. 1.00

00:05:28.520 One more thing before I get to Joe Allen.

00:05:30.760 I don't know, Joe, I think I got triggered

00:05:32.700 by starting the show with Ted Cruz.

00:05:34.980 We had a live, we went to the Oval,

00:05:36.960 and we had Besant, we had the president,

00:05:38.980 and the president's on a roll i'm telling the team hey we got trump accounts and we're going 0.77

00:05:42.640 to make these things the biggest thing in history it's going to counter all the marxist jihadists

00:05:47.000 because it's capitalism we're making more people capitalists and we're going to take 0.76

00:05:50.040 the ai shares of elon musk and open ai and the government's not going to own them we're going

00:05:54.740 to kick them into account for all american citizens and what happens at the very last

00:05:58.880 second ted cruz gets in there and starts pontificating about who knows what but uh

00:06:04.780 After that, I got a little thrown off my, I got thrown off my game.

00:06:07.980 Last thing on Getter, I've got a Washington Post League.

00:06:10.260 I just started the great Jason Miller, one of the original co-hosts of the War Room.

00:06:16.540 Remember, I started the show back in, or we started the show back in 2019.

00:06:21.160 I had Raheem Kassam and Jason Miller were my two co-hosts.

00:06:24.600 We did War Room impeachment.

00:06:26.420 And then Jason, when we pivoted to pandemic, Jason goes, what are you doing, man?

00:06:31.720 This is insane.

00:06:32.640 And Jason was around, but Jason went and helped the White House in 2020.

00:06:37.460 He went on the campaign immediately.

00:06:39.320 And, of course, Raheem's over there helping Nigel right now, trying to become the next prime minister.

00:06:44.880 There's an article in the Washington Post.

00:06:46.320 Jason Miller officially started Wednesday the 1st, July 1st, but now his official day, first day, working to kind of go in and take over strategy and comms and all that.

00:06:58.120 I think it's magnificent.

00:06:58.760 But the article also talked about a guy named Johnny Dostofano, who was one of the problems in the first term.

00:07:03.880 He's McConnell's guy.

00:07:04.940 He's now Thune's guy.

00:07:06.320 Whoever in the White House thought it was a great idea to bring in John Thune's guy inside the wire into the White House shows you a total misunderstanding of the moment.

00:07:16.820 There must be a confrontation with John Thune.

00:07:19.260 John Thune is disrespecting the president of the United States every day.

00:07:22.860 If you don't believe me, then why haven't we had an official recess?

00:07:26.740 Why doesn't John Thune trust the president of the United States enough to have a recess?

00:07:30.760 Once he has a recess, even for one day, you've proven that at least there's some sort of respect for President Trump.

00:07:36.380 Up until that time, there's no respect.

00:07:38.920 And the last thing you should do is bring someone inside the wire to report on everything that's going on.

00:07:45.420 We need a confrontation with John Thune, not an accommodation.

00:07:49.120 We don't need to be rubbing up on John Thune.

00:07:51.060 He has no intention.

00:07:52.140 First off, except for a few in the U.S. Senate, the rest of them hate Trump.

00:07:57.800 They hate Trump. They hate MAGA. They hate Trumpism. They hate all of it.

00:08:01.220 They hate the tariffs. They hate the border wall. They hate the mass deportations.

00:08:05.500 They hate they don't hate some of it. They hate all of it.

00:08:09.700 They're the representatives of the money class in this country, of the donors.

00:08:14.460 That's why there's no enthusiasm to keep them in office.

00:08:16.860 Isn't that Steve Bannon that made this happen?

00:08:18.320 they're on the ropes right now are going to put in a billion dollars to save themselves in november

00:08:23.340 and now we're down in states like ohio that you guys have worked forever for 10 years to make a

00:08:28.640 mega state right they're down in maine they're going to lose georgia by three or four points

00:08:35.560 did you cause that are you the ones that caused that did you cause that that ossoff's up by a

00:08:48.300 right you cause hustet to be down you cause this situation if you look at the internal numbers

00:08:53.740 i'm gonna give you some scoop down in iowa down in iowa the wake-up call we've been preaching

00:09:02.400 this gospel for a long time if you work with president trump's agenda with the save america

00:09:06.720 act to start which it's not war room it's the commander-in-chief president united states says

00:09:11.460 it's the most important thing in his legislative program and you won't even have a vote and we

00:09:15.780 cover this thing wall to wall when you have the you know they're trying to do the standing

00:09:20.460 filibuster but they can't get any traction why john thune doesn't want to do it he just dismisses

00:09:24.540 the president then the other night didn't even come to the he didn't come off the kickoff to

00:09:28.720 the 250 celebration wednesday a week ago at least even polly pockets was down there i mean come on

00:09:35.140 he was down there cheering things on in the hot muggy weather with with cash and uh and todd

00:09:41.600 blanch and all scott all of them all of them showed up he didn't even show up not where this

00:09:45.860 time he's out of here but he sure showed up at mount rushmore they want to all glob onto the

00:09:52.080 president when they think it's going to help him no we don't need johnny dostofino in the white

00:09:56.660 house and that is emblematic of a problem the problem is there is no strategy coming out of

00:10:03.740 there of urgency action action action and when you got johnny dostofino all you're talking about

00:10:09.080 is accommodation so if you want to lose the senate keep going you're doing great the grass is going

00:10:16.060 to be on tomorrow we're going to have him on today to talk about how if with you guys and

00:10:20.640 pick and shovel work we might be able to hold the house we'll do that tomorrow sir now i got that

00:10:28.060 off my chest sir joe out so much has been going on and i want to um first off the president because

00:10:34.780 we've got a couple of minutes before you go to break and then the floor is yours um these trump

00:10:40.180 accounts i've been talking about that you you're only going to combat mondani with capitalism right

00:10:49.600 and we have to go we have to be on offense right now or what's going to happen here is what's

00:10:54.940 happened in europe now what was the last time that you went to europe before this trip you've

00:11:00.080 been there a few years ago or yeah i've been uh this would be the third time first time was in

00:11:04.780 2007 through 8 did you go as a rigger did you go on tours that yeah the first time was full stop

00:11:10.560 full stop i didn't get some memory you went as so the first time you were doing music tours correct

00:11:15.920 uh the first time i was still uh an uprigger just climbing around up in the steel and i was working

00:11:21.500 uh hopefully i don't get in trouble i was working under the table in the uk so i was i was the

00:11:27.200 migrant problem at the time and uh and then i took that money and traveled all over the place

00:11:32.720 for uh seven months but then so 2008 that was and you saw then you were not staying in the

00:11:39.280 suites of the fourth season you're not the joe allen you are now you're not going to joe travels

00:11:44.140 as a vip now this is this is pre-vip yeah without a doubt in fact i stayed on a farm in france for

00:11:51.940 about a month as i waited for those checks to clear uh doing dry stone masonry with a crazed

00:11:57.980 old dutchman but it was it was very educational you were the migrant labor problem yes uh then

00:12:05.520 the second time though was almost exactly 10 years later it was 2018 and that was on a tour

00:12:11.320 with uh game of thrones kind of orchestral production and we went all over the place

00:12:16.700 and we had a lot of time off so i could kind of wander around the game of thrones actual musical

00:12:21.280 score? Yeah. And did a whole

00:12:23.220 show with some full

00:12:25.160 like the Czech symphony orchestra

00:12:27.160 or something? They actually had like a

00:12:29.300 core group and then they had local

00:12:30.980 contractors. So everywhere

00:12:33.180 we went. How cool is that? It was pretty amazing.

00:12:35.500 Was it packed all the time? Yeah.

00:12:37.320 I never watched the show, the Game of Thrones,

00:12:39.560 but I got to see all of the

00:12:41.400 highlights because they basically had a spoiler

00:12:43.200 reel that went along with the music.

00:12:45.200 With the music. And a screen like we saw

00:12:47.100 Amadeus at the Kennedy Center about a year

00:12:49.300 ago. And then you had, I think his name

00:12:51.260 And it's Ramin Djawadi, if I'm pronouncing that correctly, or even remember that correctly.

00:12:55.840 Anyway, they were very personal, personable.

00:12:58.740 Did you ever watch the whole show and sit through it?

00:13:00.780 I didn't have to.

00:13:01.800 I saw all the spoilers.

00:13:03.140 No, no, no, not the show, but I mean the orchestra.

00:13:05.420 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:13:06.720 Actually, I was hooking up the violinist.

00:13:09.160 Not high.

00:13:09.780 No, but the violinist was. 1.00

00:13:11.980 The violinist, I would hook her up every night to go up about 40 feet to play a violin solo. 1.00

00:13:17.620 You mean she would come out of the seat?

00:13:19.600 Yeah, she would be standing there, you know, and then she was very, very nervous at the beginning, but I got Joe Allen rigging me. I got a cracker from East Tennessee rigging me. I'm a world-class violinist. I'm going to go up 40 feet.

00:13:33.360 I might be crazy and unreliable in some spheres of my life, but I was always extremely reliable in that one.

00:13:39.640 But, you know, one thing that I really noticed, I was touring, the guy that I was touring with,

00:13:43.700 a hardcore right-wing Catholic, really intelligent, but, you know, you two would get along very well.

00:13:50.620 And I remember when we landed in the UK, he was talking about the migrant problem and just going on and on. 0.96

00:13:57.040 I'm like, man, you sound like a psychopath, like you're way too hyperbolic with all this.

00:14:01.980 I went for that first walk, and 10 years later, the change in the U.K. from 2008 to 2018 was remarkable. 0.93

00:14:10.200 And then we went all over Sweden.

00:14:12.220 Hang on a second.

00:14:12.740 I'm going to get back to this.

00:14:13.600 We're going to take a break.

00:14:14.540 This is a bonus time.

00:14:17.520 No, no, no, no, no.

00:14:18.680 Because this tells you the civilizational struggle that we're in.

00:14:22.560 Yes. 0.55

00:14:22.780 That's why it takes, like it took that guy, it takes only a working class and middle class audience can change this. 0.71

00:14:31.320 This is what the nation's always fallen back on, is really the working class and the middle class to finally make their minds up about what's really going to happen, and they set things right. 0.61

00:14:43.300 Revolution, Civil War, Great Depression, World War II, we're now in the great fourth turning of the American experience, the American project, the American republic. 0.99

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00:16:49.160 Okay. There was supposed to be at noon, 10 o'clock mountain time. It started early. We're

00:16:53.620 going to go to it at the bottom of the hour. You're going to see the entire Charlie Kirk

00:16:56.740 situation because it's the evidentiary hearing and it may be explosive. For so much out there,

00:17:02.360 We've got an entire team, Real America's Voice, we're going to go.

00:17:05.180 But why?

00:17:05.640 I got Joe Allen.

00:17:06.980 Now that he's become a superstar, it's not easy to get Joe like it used to be.

00:17:10.900 Tell me about, by the way, is the composer of the Game of Thrones was Persian, right?

00:17:16.600 Yeah, Persian.

00:17:17.780 Did you get to know him?

00:17:19.240 A bit.

00:17:19.880 You know, most of the artists aren't really eager to talk to Riggers, but that was a different sort of scene.

00:17:24.980 And both him and his wife.

00:17:26.920 If he'd been on the Dead Tour, if he'd been on Europe 72, the Riggers were a central part of that, right? 0.95

00:17:32.080 Yeah. You know, the dead is a totally different animal on so many, you know, that big old teddy bear, big old teddy. 0.98

00:17:37.880 But we weren't dropping acid. So that was another big difference.

00:17:41.480 At least you won't fester it. Talk to me about the difference in 10 years.

00:17:45.360 And now you've seen the other thing of AI come in.

00:17:47.800 And it's like, you know, you had a 10 year stretch and then a six year stretch.

00:17:51.880 I'm sorry, eight year stretch. And like the difference on the ground, like the presence of migrants, you know, there's obviously immigration is a mixed bag.

00:18:00.340 When you're talking about just like swarms of people who have flooded into the country over the past 20 years, but really amping up just before in 2016, Syria and all that, really amping up in 2018.

00:18:13.560 So, again, I'm touring all over the place.

00:18:15.560 I've got a fair amount of downtime to go wander the streets.

00:18:18.260 And then, of course, I'm working in the arenas with the different crews. 0.53

00:18:21.520 And while you saw in London, Barcelona, Madrid, Paris, Frankfurt, Berlin, Stockholm, all of these kind of Western European countries, both on the streets and among the workers themselves, especially the stagehands, the people who are just kind of pushing cases around, attaching lights, massive migrant presence, massive. 0.90

00:18:46.900 And while, again, these are people that are working and sometimes they're competent, but by and large, they're just kind of bodies filling space.

00:18:53.400 And that could be space that was filled by, you know, native Europeans.

00:18:57.400 And there's a lot of resentment about that. The workers talked a lot about it.

00:19:00.640 However, Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, very different.

00:19:04.100 Like they were very much Czech, Hungarian, Polish.

00:19:07.840 And you can see that policy makes a huge difference there.

00:19:11.700 Going back this time, you know, I was researching an article that maybe it'll be out in a month, two months.

00:19:17.380 It's going to be a very in-depth article on orthodoxy and heresy.

00:19:21.500 But, you know, I was at a high-profile wedding, absolutely beautiful.

00:19:27.580 You know, it got to speak to a lot of people, but of all kinds of political persuasions there.

00:19:32.040 Some of them are very wealthy. Some of them are very working class.

00:19:35.420 But one thing that I guess if I could take the average, even if some people would give a different opinion for sure,

00:19:40.780 If I could take the average, they were very, very outraged by the way in which the kind of globalist governance system had opened up the floodgates to migration.

00:19:51.380 And they were also even the wealthy, even the wealthy.

00:19:54.800 Yes. They had their own reasons for wanting to preserve their culture, you know.

00:19:59.220 And these aren't people. These are these are not just all like it's not some kind of like racially homogenous European set.

00:20:05.320 Right. These are people, though, who have a stake in the civilization that they grew up in.

00:20:10.200 Um, the, on the other end of it, that's on the streets, right? And that's like among the, the people out in, in the real world, uh, in the kind of corporate educational artistic realm, the, uh, invasion of artificial intelligence was another point that, you know, you could imagine would come up, uh, with me a lot.

00:20:28.720 And, you know, everyone from artists, there were a number of musicians there, also people who are in politics or investors, people who are into the kind of spiritual culture in Europe.

00:20:39.980 All of them talked about how artificial intelligence is this unwanted imposition.

00:20:45.260 It's a second invasion.

00:20:47.160 So on the ground, you've got the invasion of people who don't have a stake in improving the civilization that they're coming to. 0.75

00:20:53.460 And coming from the top, you have this invasion of these non-human minds, artificial intelligence, bots, and people, as we've covered for so long now, it's increased so much from the educational to the corporate to the military sectors. 0.88

00:21:08.860 People are being force-fed this. 0.82

00:21:11.040 They're told that if you don't basically become a partner with or a friend to AI, you're not going to survive.

00:21:17.720 and there are all these different problems that they encounter,

00:21:20.720 not just the threat of being replaced, 0.99

00:21:23.400 but really how dumb these bots can be, right? 1.00

00:21:26.160 They can write a PhD-level essay, 0.99

00:21:28.480 but sometimes, very often actually,

00:21:30.960 it'll write a PhD-level essay

00:21:32.460 that includes all sorts of hallucinations,

00:21:34.740 just completely made-up facts.

00:21:36.680 And so it's like, on the one hand,

00:21:38.460 they're being told this technology is making everyone smarter,

00:21:41.280 it's making the civilization stronger.

00:21:43.000 If you're going to keep up with America,

00:21:45.080 you have to adopt it. 0.96

00:21:45.800 On the other hand, they can see with their own eyes that the imperfections in the technology mean that people are becoming dumber because they're not thinking for themselves.

00:21:53.520 And even when they rely on the technology, they're basically become conduits for falsehood, for hallucination.

00:22:00.020 So, yeah, I mean, my brief trip to Europe is ironic that this took place.

00:22:05.080 you were meeting with on the airport people in switzerland where the chat gbt this just became

00:22:11.480 evident that large language models had made a massive leap was it 22 really yeah it was it

00:22:17.840 was in davos 22 and what did we warn people about during that when joe allen was doing such an

00:22:23.540 amazing job on this is that we warned that the problem with going to davos and releasing chat

00:22:28.080 gbt is that now money all over the world venture capital private equity is going to run to it

00:22:33.040 Even I couldn't imagine how much it's run to it to kind of be obsessed by the entire nation.

00:22:39.040 The United States of America is now the economic model of your country is now a highly leveraged bet on A.I.

00:22:46.800 having massive productivity increases without mass layoffs.

00:22:51.800 And I mean, I don't even think they take into account the mass layoffs because that's coming.

00:22:55.980 It's no doubt. Other other things.

00:22:59.860 By the way, so, Joe, we're going to go to the Charlie Kirk thing at the bottom of the hour.

00:23:03.520 You're going to come back on Wednesday and drill down on this for an entire hour.

00:23:08.300 It's accelerating at an accelerating rate right now.

00:23:11.380 I mean, we've had these huge fights, but President Trump said something on Wednesday that I want everybody in this audience to understand.

00:23:17.960 He goes, you know, we do need some safeguards on this, right?

00:23:21.820 He said that the other day, which is what we've been arguing about, at least some sort of regulatory apparatus.

00:23:26.100 This is on the models dealing with anthropic and mythos and all that.

00:23:31.480 Yeah, the fight is on for how this gets regulated.

00:23:34.840 I don't think there's any question now that there will be laws passed.

00:23:38.020 There will be different agencies that are tasked with overseeing the technology.

00:23:42.160 I mean, right now with, you know, when I left, you had a total ban on mythos being used by anyone overseas, any foreign users, non-American citizens.

00:23:54.680 And also it was very limited, like Fable was pulled and Mythos itself was being limited to just a small number of people that Anthropic had chosen.

00:24:04.880 Now you've got both Fable and Mythos, I believe, but definitely OpenAI's new model, GPT 5.6.

00:24:12.540 It's only being released to organizations that are approved by Trump.

00:24:18.680 So it's like you're by the Trump administration.

00:24:21.260 No, that's by Trump.

00:24:22.420 By Trump.

00:24:23.420 So you've got you've got engaged in this now. You've got the beginnings. We're starting to see what it means when the federal government takes an interest in this, has a concern in this, also has a stake in this and where this goes.

00:24:37.660 I mean, and it should be remembered that whatever these early decisions are, they will set a precedent.

00:24:42.900 Yes. But as obviously in a democracy, the guard will change over time.

00:24:50.340 We've got to be really careful as to like how much power the federal government has or what kind of powers.

00:24:56.600 One of the big concerns I have is like digital identity and it being used and weaponized against us on the basis of artificial intelligence. 0.86

00:25:04.420 there are ways around it give me a minute on that because the palantir and you had

00:25:08.220 the ceo on the other carp on cnbc that night i mean it was like throwing net over this guy

00:25:13.640 he had a breakdown on air i mean he's he's too drugged up right when he comes on air right i

00:25:19.340 worry that it's not drugs it's just the neurodivergence that does it uh yeah i you know

00:25:24.240 in that one okay on digital identity one of the for child protection in particular but there are

00:25:30.420 other things, who gets access to these systems that could potentially have the capabilities to

00:25:36.020 produce bioweapons or teach someone how to use it, things like that. Then, well, how do you control

00:25:40.780 who gets to use the model? You have to have some kind of identity to get access to it. And then

00:25:47.580 you have to be able to verify it. Well, the most common suggestion or policy for, you know, a lot

00:25:54.340 of people use these for fingerprints and all that biometrics. And we really do run into a danger

00:25:59.600 where just to get on the internet,

00:26:01.060 like the worst case scenario,

00:26:02.360 just to get on the internet,

00:26:03.780 you're basically having to scan your iris

00:26:05.480 to get online.

00:26:07.240 And everyone is linked to a digital identity

00:26:09.500 that is completely ironclad.

00:26:11.080 And we're in a digital prison.

00:26:12.500 Then there's all the gradations in between.

00:26:14.860 There's no doubt in your mind,

00:26:16.120 that's a digital prison, right?

00:26:17.380 We can't do that. 0.99

00:26:18.600 You would have to have a completely benevolent elite class.

00:26:22.820 That is so against the foundation of this country.

00:26:26.520 Yes.

00:26:26.960 And like all the just all the organic ferment that has created America in its best forms, that all goes away if we end up there.

00:26:35.060 So it has to be somewhere in between. But one thing's for sure, if it's just left up to the tech oligarchs themselves, look at Sam Altman.

00:26:42.940 Sam Altman isn't the government, but Sam Altman is simultaneously creating artificial intelligence bots that he believes will replace everyone.

00:26:50.920 and he's also developing world ID to verify human users.

00:26:55.700 I mean, it can be just as bad in their hands.

00:26:57.200 Okay, take your number two principle out right now.

00:26:59.380 Joe, I want everybody to go to Joe's site.

00:27:03.440 Make sure you're downloading this stuff all the time and sharing it.

00:27:05.940 Make sure you're a force multiplier.

00:27:08.060 Joe Allen is at the cutting edge of this,

00:27:09.980 the biggest topic of our time, I might add.

00:27:12.300 What do you got? Where do people go?

00:27:13.720 Go to joebot.xyz, and I really, if you want to look at the capabilities,

00:27:19.480 both the upside and the downside of the capabilities.

00:27:21.960 An article I published a couple of weeks ago,

00:27:25.100 AI Confidential, How to Test a Digital Brain.

00:27:28.580 It's a little information dense,

00:27:30.140 but it'll give you a really good idea of how it is these systems are tested

00:27:33.800 and what they're finding.

00:27:35.300 And Wednesday, Joe will be back.

00:27:36.420 We'll give you a complete, for the first hour, 10 to 11,

00:27:39.080 we'll give you a complete understanding of what's going on and everything.

00:27:42.300 I will tell you, I believe that President Trump,

00:27:45.020 and now the insertion of President Trump thinking this thing through,

00:27:47.260 is a direct result of your work, of Joe Allen's work.

00:27:50.220 It's been amazing.

00:27:51.220 The CNN special came out.

00:27:52.540 We've got to play that, and we've got to do that.

00:27:54.140 Yeah.

00:27:55.460 You're a superstar on that.

00:27:57.100 How does gold fell in love?

00:27:59.580 I don't know. 0.59

00:28:00.160 With a cracker from East Tennessee. 0.99

00:28:03.540 Joe, amazing work.

00:28:05.000 Thank you, as always.

00:28:05.820 Okay, we're going to come back.

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00:32:44.740 go to the courtroom of the evidentiary hearing the kickoff of the evidentiary hearing on the

00:32:48.980 assassination of our dear friend and colleague charlie kirk here we go calling case two five

00:32:54.980 one four oh three five seven six state of utah versus tyler james robinson counsel can you enter

00:33:02.900 your appearances please chad grumander ryan mcbride david stirk of state um chris ballad are also

00:33:13.860 present. Good morning. Good morning, Your Honor. Kathy Nestor, Michael Burt, Richard Novak,

00:33:20.260 and Stacey Visser here on behalf of Mr. Robinson, who's seated to my right. Good morning. Mr.

00:33:24.980 Robinson, good morning. For the record, the court also recognizes the presence of Ms. Erica Kirk.

00:33:32.240 Ms. Kirk, good morning. First, with respect to courtroom protocol, to maintain security and

00:33:41.520 and the individual who exits the courtroom during proceedings will not be permitted to re-enter until the recess.

00:33:50.720 All counsel are expected to take reasonable measures to safeguard confidential communication.

00:33:56.460 Such measures may include the use of screen protections on electronic devices

00:34:00.680 and care to avoid the inadvertent capture of privileged or private discussions

00:34:05.120 by recording equipment or by those present in the courtroom.

00:34:08.840 In addition, the microphones at your tables have been turned off.

00:34:14.960 Again, an attempt to try to minimize the possibility of any of the communications being captured.

00:34:21.520 I ask that if you are speaking, that you come to the lectern, and that microphone will be live.

00:34:27.580 And so that's the best way that we can hear you, and it is captured on the record.

00:34:34.000 All right.

00:34:34.740 Second, the court will address the camera operator, and the court knows there is no still photographer for today's proceedings pursuant to the court's ruling from last week.

00:34:45.280 To our camera operator, would you please approach the left drum?

00:35:00.140 My microphone, there we go, now it's back on.

00:35:03.200 Could you state your name for the record?

00:35:05.020 John Wilson, KSL News.

00:35:06.840 Mr. Wilson, what duties will you perform today?

00:35:12.200 Shooting the proceeding according to the quorum order.

00:35:15.400 All right.

00:35:15.820 And have you had a chance to fully review the court standing to quorum order?

00:35:20.520 I have, sir.

00:35:21.100 All right.

00:35:22.100 And you understand all the requirements set forth in that order as it applies to your activities today?

00:35:27.320 Yes, sir.

00:35:27.960 Do you require additional time to review the order or to adjust the equipment to ensure compliance?

00:35:33.960 No, sir.

00:35:34.740 Do you anticipate any difficulty complying with today's order or with any of the court's instructions?

00:35:42.620 No, sir.

00:35:43.180 All right. Well, thank you, Mr. Wilson. I appreciate you being here.

00:35:52.020 Next, turning to the amended motion to allow the use of portable electronic devices filed by the news media and their counsel,

00:36:00.080 The court appreciates the arguments presented in the motion

00:36:02.800 and recognizes the importance of the press in the criminal justice system.

00:36:09.740 Having considered the motions before the court,

00:36:11.820 the request to permit representatives of the news media to use portable electronic devices

00:36:16.900 during the preliminary hearing is respectfully denied.

00:36:21.480 The request to permit counsel for the news media to use portable electronic devices

00:36:25.600 during the preliminary hearing is granted.

00:36:27.880 As officers of the court, counsel shall be held to the same standards applicable to the council for the parties and comply with the court's standing decorum order.

00:36:39.000 I wish to turn to the matter before us today, the upcoming preliminary hearing, and the court is mindful of the safety and well-being of all parties, counsel, witnesses, court staff, and members of the public who are present.

00:36:53.020 The court is also mindful of the duty to protect and uphold the constitutional rights of both Mr. Robinson and Ms. Kirk.

00:37:01.240 To serve those important interests, the court reminds all persons who will be in attendance

00:37:06.020 that the portable electronic devices will not be permitted in the courtroom or on the fourth floor.

00:37:12.140 In addition, each person who is in attendance will be afforded the dignity and respect due to them,

00:37:18.040 And pursuant to the standing decorum order, all spectators shall be quiet, civil, and orderly.

00:37:25.840 Spectators shall not engage in any distracting, disruptive, provocative, disrespectful, uncivil, or threatening behavior of any kind.

00:37:35.240 Spectators shall not make any audible comments of any kind, shall not shake or nod their heads,

00:37:40.840 shall not otherwise make any gestures during the hearing.

00:37:43.940 And the court recognizes that this hearing may invoke a motion from everyone,

00:37:55.520 and the court understands the human nature of that, but also it's important that this courtroom is orderly.

00:38:04.180 A spectator shall not wear or display any pins, buttons, signs, clothing, or photographs

00:38:08.960 expressing support for or against any person related to this case

00:38:13.520 or the status of this case as a capital offense.

00:38:18.160 Turning to counsel.

00:38:21.280 Before we begin, I want to acknowledge that over these past 10 months,

00:38:24.760 I've had a chance to observe each of you,

00:38:27.280 and I find that you are all competent, prepared,

00:38:30.900 and that you care deeply about this case.

00:38:35.080 I ask you to continue to conduct yourselves

00:38:37.660 in accordance with the rules governing professional conduct, civility, and ethics.

00:38:43.180 I also ask that you remain mindful of the constitutional rights of all parties,

00:38:48.760 and in every engagement that you treat each person you engage with,

00:38:52.780 with the dignity and respect they are inherently due, as they are human beings.

00:38:58.440 I want to turn also to objections, the format that I wish to follow if objections are made.

00:39:07.660 When an objection is made, all parties shall pause so that the objection may be heard.

00:39:15.060 Speaking objections are not permitted.

00:39:18.280 If any party believes that an extended argument is necessary, particularly on sensitive matters,

00:39:25.080 that party may request to approach the bench, and all parties will approach the bench.

00:39:31.240 Both sides will be afforded an opportunity to the hurt for or against the objection,

00:39:37.240 after which I will issue a ruling either sustaining or overruling the objection.

00:39:42.520 Once the ruling has been made, direct or cross-examination may resume.

00:39:47.320 I anticipate that we will begin each morning at 9 a.m., with the exception of Wednesday, and we will begin at 1 p.m.

00:39:55.640 We will take a 15-minute morning break and a 15-minute afternoon break.

00:40:01.200 If there is a situation that necessitates a break, please approach the bench and we can address that.

00:40:09.640 We will recess for lunch at noon for one hour each day, with the exception of Wednesday.

00:40:15.800 And court will resume at 1 p.m. and continue until 5 p.m. each day.

00:40:21.720 Does either party need the benefit of the record?

00:40:25.640 No, Your Honor.

00:40:30.600 Thank you, Ms. Nestor.

00:40:31.620 No, no, thank you.

00:40:33.020 Thank you, Mr. Grenander.

00:40:34.900 Do either party wish to invoke the exclusionary rule?

00:40:38.280 Defense invokes, Your Honor.

00:40:39.880 All right.

00:40:40.660 Defense has invoked the exclusionary rule.

00:40:43.360 I ask that all witnesses, if present, be excused from the courtroom

00:40:47.540 and ask that each party monitor the courtroom to ensure your witnesses aren't present,

00:40:52.580 as I'm not familiar with who they are.

00:40:54.640 Of course, victim representative is excluded from that rule, as is the case manager pursuant to the rules.

00:41:11.360 Okay, and I anticipate that from here on out that they're just going to come to the lectern.

00:41:18.180 Okay, so just for the benefit of the record, to the questions, yes or no questions,

00:41:29.820 well, the parties have entered their appearances, and they're all present,

00:41:35.020 and neither party wanted the benefit of the record.

00:41:39.020 Ms. Nestor invoked the exclusionary rule, and Mr. Grunander,

00:41:43.820 if you'd like to approach the lectern as the microphones at the tables are not activated.

00:41:49.300 Thank you, Judge.

00:41:50.320 We anticipated that the defense would invoke the exclusionary rule.

00:41:54.900 We consulted with defense for just a couple of minutes prior to the start of this hearing.

00:42:01.040 We essentially have two case agents, Your Honor, David Hull and Brian Davis, both from the state of Utah.

00:42:07.880 The defense has consented that both of them can be present.

00:42:11.600 So one is seated at my table, the front table.

00:42:15.360 This is Brian Davis, Agent Davis, and Agent Hull is seated on the bench just on the other side of the bar.

00:42:24.820 He will be present for this hearing as well.

00:42:26.820 Both of these agents will be testifying as part of the hearing.

00:42:30.160 Thank you.

00:42:31.500 Ms. Nestor, your microphone's dead.

00:42:34.120 If you want to come forward, and it sounds like you've stipulated, but just for the benefit of the record.

00:42:38.980 We have stipulated, Your Honor, for purposes of this hearing only.

00:42:42.400 Thank you.

00:42:43.680 All right, so Agents Davis and Hull are permitted to remain in the courtroom during the duration of the preliminary hearing.

00:42:52.840 Any other business that we need to address before we turn to the business of witnesses?

00:43:03.260 Mr. Novak.

00:43:04.460 Thank you, Your Honor.

00:43:04.980 Richard Novak for Ms. Robinson.

00:43:06.700 And, Your Honor, the court had issued an order, maybe it was early last week, asking the parties to meet and confer about the question of whether exhibits will be published.

00:43:25.060 And we did.

00:43:26.860 And we can either deal with this as a general matter or we can deal with it on an exhibit-by-exhibit basis.

00:43:35.260 but I just wanted to make sure that we didn't lose track of that issue.

00:43:41.320 The court had earlier entered an order granting in part the defense motion to exclude,

00:43:52.220 I'm just going to say technology in the courtroom because it's a shorthand for video cameras and photography and microphones,

00:43:58.000 because the parties had earlier stipulated that none of the exhibits would be available from the preliminary hearing

00:44:05.960 would be available for inspection or copying.

00:44:09.300 I understand that publishing the exhibits in the courtroom may technically be different than that,

00:44:15.800 but whenever the court is ready to deal with that issue, we just want to make sure that we do so before it's too late.

00:44:28.000 That's always the right time to do it.

00:44:30.280 Okay, thank you.

00:44:32.020 Turning to the state and defense, do we anticipate this being a long argument,

00:44:38.960 or is it something that we can handle, that there are some stipulations that we can address right now

00:44:45.340 and then the remainder we can address on an exhibit-by-exhibit basis?

00:44:50.320 Mr. Grunander.

00:44:52.740 Judge, I don't know that we have any stipulations, but with that said, it is correct,

00:44:57.420 Mr. Novak is correct. We did meet and consult on this issue.

00:45:01.660 I wanted to give the court just a brief road map, but part of that was exhibits 7, 8, and 9

00:45:08.120 that we propose introducing will be graphic in nature.

00:45:14.020 And those were the exhibits I was referring to at the last hearing

00:45:17.180 where we would like to take a short break before they were published, if they are published,

00:45:21.980 whether it be by way of video and or audio.

00:45:27.420 Judge, I don't see any TVs or monitors here in the courtroom today with respect to publishing something that would go beyond council table and your honor's bench.

00:45:40.280 So I don't know how much of an issue this is going to be anyway, at least with respect to pictures or video.

00:45:48.520 Thank you.

00:45:49.260 That's a great point.

00:45:51.600 And the court's thought about this issue in regards to publication of exhibits.

00:45:56.480 Obviously, the court will entertain all motions before any, but after considering it, here's the two points that I wish to address.

00:46:07.780 In regards to the exhibits, there is benefit to publication of certain exhibits, but I also do not, and this is going to the camera operator, do not want them to be displayed on TV.

00:46:21.560 I believe it is important that the parties know that the exhibits are being viewed by the judge in real time and in open court.

00:46:32.520 However, what I will do is have the monitor placed against that wall to reduce the possibility of it being broadcast.

00:46:40.720 And so on the exhibits that the court grants to be published in court and not going to Mr. Novak's point, not to be given copies to, and the court is trying to be mindful that if it's shown on TV, that's essentially giving a copy to.

00:47:00.700 And so the court is taking Mr. Novak's point in consideration, and so the anticipation is, and I know I'm catching staff a little bit off guard, is placing that television right behind Jeff, our bailiff, to minimize the accidental capture by the camera and allowing it to be displayed.

00:47:22.240 I recognize that that is not the ideal spot for viewing, but I am also trying to balance the rights and important considerations that defense has made.

00:47:32.700 And, again, this will be on an exhibit-by-exhibit basis on what is published or what is not.

00:47:37.980 But for the exhibits that the court rules can be published in open court, that is going to be the location of the monitor.

00:47:47.040 and, again, the court spent a bit of time weighing what should be done,

00:47:54.020 where the monitor should be placed to accomplish the purposes of publication,

00:48:00.520 at the same time protecting, especially as it may relate to, sensitive material,

00:48:07.080 if the court deems that to be publishable in the courtroom.

00:48:11.320 Any questions that I can address from either side,

00:48:13.600 or clarification needed or thoughts that you wish to share?

00:48:17.960 No, I think I understand completely.

00:48:19.980 All right.

00:48:20.480 Thank you.

00:48:21.460 All right.

00:48:21.940 And, Mr. Grunander, as it relates to that,

00:48:26.520 are we anticipating the possibility of that coming up very soon

00:48:32.160 in regards to publishing potentially exhibits?

00:48:38.480 Not real soon, but today certainly I would anticipate, Judge.

00:48:42.540 For the course information, we anticipate presenting four witnesses.

00:48:46.960 They're all law enforcement witnesses.

00:48:49.360 Officer Chris Bagley, he's now with Spanish Fork Police Department.

00:48:53.780 He was with Utah Valley University Police Department.

00:48:56.600 He'll be the first witness.

00:48:58.620 The second witness will be Agent David Hull, and those exhibits, 789, we anticipate coming in through him.

00:49:07.520 The third witness will be Agent Brian Davis, again with the state of Utah, a case agent.

00:49:12.540 who's here presently. And lastly, Sergeant Jennifer Faumawina, also of the Utah Department

00:49:20.340 of Public Safety. And we do anticipate admitting between 40 and 50 exhibits.

00:49:27.900 Thank you. All right, Mr. Grunander, I apologize. You walked away before I got my question out.

00:49:35.080 If we anticipate taking a break around 1030, do you anticipate any potential exhibits for

00:49:42.460 publication being requested prior to 10 30? I do judge. I do. I think the first several exhibits

00:49:48.740 should be published. So. All right. Well let's do this. I want our preliminary hearing to move

00:49:56.460 smoothly and with the least amount of delays as possible. So let's take a brief break to allow

00:50:02.500 the placement of that monitor, a brief task to make sure it's working and then we can be seamless

00:50:07.480 in moving forward. One quick question, Judge, for council's benefit.

00:50:11.180 Are the monitors at the tables going to be turned on?

00:50:15.620 The monitors are, and that's why I wanted to give that instruction

00:50:19.360 early on for each party to monitor their monitor.

00:50:24.080 Because if the camera is doing a wide

00:50:27.240 sweep picture of the courtroom, I can't prevent

00:50:31.000 the accidental capture. Obviously, the decorum order anticipates

00:50:35.020 not focusing in to the point that it's focused on your monitors.

00:50:39.720 But I ask all the parties to be mindful, especially as it relates to the sensitive material that may be published or may not.

00:50:47.840 But please, just take a look at that and be mindful of that.

00:50:53.040 But I will leave it to you.

00:50:54.640 So I believe it's important that all parties see what is before the court.

00:50:59.320 So if you have objections, it's right there.

00:51:01.680 You can say, okay, I see what the court's seeing.

00:51:03.740 I have ejection or not, or just to confer with your client,

00:51:08.160 I just want to make sure that there is no misunderstanding of what's being presented

00:51:13.600 to allow all parties the benefit of the record,

00:51:16.440 and it is clear what is being presented to the court for consideration as evidence.

00:51:22.440 Thank you.

00:51:23.300 And we do have one exhibit that will be in physical form,

00:51:26.960 and so we will be using the easel, I think, that's just over by the jury box.

00:51:31.240 All right. Thank you, Mr. Grunander. Before we break, I do wish to remind the parties that this is a preliminary hearing.

00:51:39.820 It is a probable cause standard. And if you could keep that in mind as you're presenting your evidence, this is not intended to.

00:51:48.900 Remember, this takes the place of a grand jury hearing. This is why you're going to see it raw.

00:51:53.520 And they set some ground rules right then. We're going to toss to the Charlie Kirk show in a moment.

00:51:58.800 The president's walking to the Rose Garden.

00:52:00.540 They've got a Rose Garden lunch.

00:52:01.700 I think he's going to say some words, so they'll probably cut into the Charlie Kirk show.

00:52:05.600 We're going to cover this live.

00:52:07.000 Poso's review show is going to be the evening.

00:52:09.580 We're going to get this all worked out during the day today,

00:52:12.440 but we're not going to miss a moment of the assassination of Charlie Kirk,

00:52:17.540 this essential grand jury hearing or preliminary hearing.

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00:54:58.500 The President of the United States making a few remarks before this launch. Charlie Kirk's show is

00:55:02.340 next. We're back here at 5. See you then.

00:55:06.660 Stone, you know.

00:55:07.500 35,000 pounds per square inch to think of it nature makes a stone far greater than we can

00:55:13.980 there's no stone that we can make there's no concrete or mix that we could make that's 35,000

00:55:19.640 pounds per square inch but it's gotten rave reviews the i don't know if anybody's up and

00:55:26.520 seen it but this is the walk to the oval office and walk to the west wing and so we've done a job

00:55:31.860 And we've taken about 150 years of paint off of the columns and redid them.

00:55:40.660 They were in very bad shape.

00:55:42.680 You know, when you have 150 coats of paint on something, it's not good.

00:55:46.400 You're supposed to, what they call, strip it.

00:55:48.200 I don't use a word like that too easily.

00:55:50.680 I will tell you in construction, if you don't strip the paint off, it gets worse and worse and worse.

00:55:55.560 And it was looking bad.

00:55:57.280 You couldn't even see the details of what was up here.

00:56:00.000 we very carefully stripped it now we're doing it you notice the scaffolding on the front of the

00:56:04.460 white house we're doing a lot of love is being put in the white house because frankly was treated

00:56:08.740 very badly by a lot of presidents had no idea the last one definitely had no idea do you think he

00:56:16.440 walked in the office and said i don't like the shape of the columns i don't think so biden i

00:56:22.140 don't like the shape of the columns he didn't notice things like that he didn't notice anything

00:56:28.040 But we're putting a lot of love back into the White House.

00:56:31.320 This will happen every 200 years or so. You'll get somebody that will bring it back.

00:56:36.280 But if you look at that wall right there, that beautiful wall of the building itself,

00:56:40.920 that's been redone and has been done beautifully. And the best thing and the biggest thing that

00:56:45.560 we're doing is we're building a ballroom and a tremendous military center. That was supposed to be

00:56:51.640 top secret, but it's no longer top secret because no matter what you do, you get sued.

00:56:56.440 they sue because they think the ballroom is too big the ballroom is too small i don't like the

00:57:02.840 color of the ceiling we don't like you know you just get sued in in this world we're living

00:57:08.520 especially if your name is trump you get sued and you get sort of good at it after a while

00:57:14.520 becomes routines ridiculous but we're building something the likes of which will never be

00:57:19.480 even close to being competed with the ballroom is going up to there you see it's the hardest part

00:57:26.940 is now completed the base and it's rising very substantially rising and when it's done you know

00:57:34.120 the most you can see it is about 93 people in the white house it was always a problem

00:57:38.400 for 150 years they've wanted a ballroom to be built we don't have a ballroom in the white house

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00:57:49.360 we had King Charles here. Everybody wanted to be here. We couldn't hold anybody,

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Episode 5495： Joe Allen Live; Assassination Of Charlie Kirk Trial Begins

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