00:04:29.840Your Honor, this is an expert report without the expert being present, being offered by an individual who's not an expert in this field.
00:04:38.640If they're presenting him as an expert in this field, based on the limited questions about his experience and seeing previous medical exam records, I'd like to voir dire him on his qualifications to opine about it.
00:05:15.440And furthermore, we just think that this is clearly falling under our constitutional concerns about the absence of our ability to be effective, to cross-examine, to question the –
00:05:26.100We can't even question the expert's experience or CV or anything that we would normally do
00:05:31.960to determine if this should even be accepted or considered by the court.
00:05:35.700And so we strenuously object to its admission and for all those reasons to its publication as well.
00:05:42.760There is also, there's some really personal things in there that should never be published
00:05:47.760that deal with Mr. Kirk's medical condition history is the condition of his body.
00:05:57.220It shouldn't be published, Your Honor.
00:07:11.540Your Honor, I just want to point out that even though 1102 has a provision about exams,
00:07:18.060I mean, the court still has the overarching mission under 1102 to make this reliability finding, right?
00:07:24.520And it's just completely in a vacuum being offered by someone who's a police officer.
00:07:29.860So, again, we would just argue that you're just not – it's hampering you for making the analysis you need to make to admit it, and we object to it.
00:07:43.040So, again, relying upon the analysis, Utah Constitution Article 1, Section 12, as it relates to reliable hearsay, and then turning to Utah Rules of Evidence, Rule 1102, B-5, specifically notes medical and autopsy reports and records.
00:08:08.200The court is going to overrule the objection and admit state's exhibit, I believe it's 11.
00:16:17.080Everybody kind of got up. A lot of people were screaming, standing up, and starting to run in all different directions away from the center of the tent.
00:16:25.560Okay. You're a police officer helping to secure the area, correct?
00:19:22.220It looks a bit like a trial in that there are witnesses and cross-examination, but it's not.
00:19:26.380It is the prosecution trying to say we have probable cause, trying to persuade the judge to take this to a full trial, scheduled to last all week.
00:19:36.600one of the key pieces of evidence that we believe the prosecution is going to put forward, guys,
00:19:41.040is a deposition, a taped deposition from Tyler Robinson's roommate slash romantic partner.
00:19:47.820And that there was communications between Robinson and this partner after the shooting
00:19:53.320that the prosecutors basically say is tantamount to a confession.
00:19:57.180The roommate asked Tyler Robinson, was it wasn't you that did it right?
00:20:01.920And the reply from Robinson was, yeah, I'm sorry, it was me.
00:20:06.600Charlie Kirk was spreading too much hate.
00:20:10.000If things move forward with this preliminary hearing as expected, how soon can we expect the trial to begin?
00:20:19.700Well, that is unclear. This judge has been very methodical.
00:20:24.100Now, we expect he might give a ruling on Friday as to whether the trial will proceed.
00:20:28.740But judging by his previous performance, I would say that he might delay that.
00:20:35.780All the evidence goes to him. It's presented to him. He decides, yep, we've got enough for trial or no.
00:20:40.800So far, you see on the stand there, if you're still showing that picture, that is a man who was a Utah Valley University campus police officer on the day of the shooting, September 10th last year.
00:20:52.960And he described hearing this pop, this gunfire that I mentioned just before, this rifle pop.
00:20:58.440He said he could tell where it was coming from. He said after he heard that gunshot, he went down.
00:21:04.240He surveyed the scene to see if there was anybody injured who he could help.
00:21:08.600He then went to the roof where he believes the gunshot came from.
00:21:12.300And up there, he found a screwdriver on that roof, which is part of the prosecution evidence.
00:21:17.720They say Tyler Robinson's DNA is on that and also on, for example, the rifle.
00:21:23.200Now, the defense will say there's a bunch of DNA on that rifle.
00:21:27.500And that is why probably they are calling three forensic evidence experts to testify at this preliminary hearing.
00:21:35.600So it's going to go on all week. It will be emotional. It's been emotional already.
00:21:40.120And, you know, you've got Donald Trump Jr. and Erica Kirk in there watching the prosecution try and prove probable cause, try and get to probable cause.
00:21:50.120And don't forget, the prosecution has said in this case, guys, that they will be seeking the death penalty against now 23-year-old Tyler Robinson.
00:22:00.220OK, fascinating testimony. Remember, not remember, in the state of Utah, this takes the place, this evidentiary hearing takes the place of essentially a grand jury.
00:22:17.340So you're like sitting in almost like a grand jury that you can view and weigh and measure.
00:22:24.480And there's been some fascinating testimony already.
00:22:31.700We've got a couple of experts that when we have time here in Real America's Voice, we will get in.
00:23:54.260We're going to go back, I think, in a few minutes to the courtroom and to continue to listen and hear and view whatever evidence they feel that they're going to allow.
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00:27:42.900uh like i said let's go back to the coverage of charlie kirk obviously very disturbing uh erica
00:27:49.120Kirk is in the audience, Charlie's, I think Charlie's parents are there, that's fine,
00:27:56.620Don Jr., we're going to go to break, we're going to take a break here in a moment, the
00:27:59.080court hasn't come back, if they come back, we will cut right out a break, Don Jr. is
00:28:04.600there, okay, they're filing back in right now, our own Jack Posobiec is actually in the courtroom,
00:28:09.420very restricted on what he can do, we were trying to get Jack to step out during these
00:28:13.960breaks, that's just not possible, people are filing back in, of course, the judge,
00:28:19.120Let's go and go. They're speaking. I think we go to the let's go to the courtroom right now.
00:28:23.960Live. What, if anything else, did you do on the 10th of September, 2025?
00:28:30.700Primary focus was to identify the individual who'd been seen on the roof with the preliminary footage.
00:28:39.120And. So there was a big effort to review as much of the video that we had available to us from both the public,
00:28:47.780but predominantly from Utah Valley University in an effort to follow that individual both forward and backwards from the time of the shooting.
00:28:57.860Okay. So if I understood you correctly, the priority was to identify the shooter.
00:32:48.520uh with mr uh well with tyler robinson's personal information
00:32:53.840were you able to expand uh your search at all yes once we knew a vehicle that we were looking for
00:33:03.440and we had an actual uh image of the individual then we were able to use that video footage to
00:33:11.120to try and track that specific individual okay and and i'm sorry let me clarify so when i said
00:33:16.860expand your search i'm referencing uh the uvu surveillance video uh yes we were able to okay
00:33:25.000and were you able to identify uh in that expanded search or did you believe you located that that
00:33:33.580challenger uh we did yes okay uh were you able to determine uh at what time or times mr robinson
00:33:44.680visited the UVU campus on September 10th?
00:33:48.000Yeah, we were able to establish that Mr. Robinson had been on campus
00:33:52.240approximately four times throughout the day, twice before the shooting,
00:33:59.060the time of the shooting, and then after the shooting,
00:34:03.160later in the evening into the early hours of the 11th.
00:34:05.980you um you said that you initially tracked the shooter forward and backward
00:34:17.200with with uvu surveillance video correct okay uh did you do the same thing with that vehicle
00:34:24.300we did yes okay tracked it forward and backward yes using the uvu footage and and additional
00:34:31.900information that was obtained, yes. And I believe you said that in total Mr. Robinson visited the
00:34:40.020UVU campus four times that day. Yes, that's correct. And let's just be clear, that's all
00:34:44.320based on UVU surveillance video, is that fair to say? That's correct, yes. Okay. Have you
00:34:51.600have you reviewed what's been marked State's Exhibit 12.1 for identification? I have, yes.
00:34:59.820Okay. And before we go there, of the video that you have personally watched, does the video include the 10th and the 11th or just the 10th?
00:35:15.040The video I've seen includes the 10th and then a very small portion, I think, about 030 of the 11th.
00:35:21.700Okay. And I think you said initially you watched about 20 hours of video.
00:48:01.700This is a compilation of a series of videos.
00:48:04.640The videos as Detector, as Sergeant Hull has testified to, is a compilation of raw videos
00:48:16.200that he has received from Utah Valley University.
00:48:20.120And he has not only seen this video, but he has seen all the raw footage.
00:48:24.900and by his estimation or according to his testimony these are all videos that that are
00:48:32.220accurate and they depict what the raw footage depicts other than those minor additions judge
00:48:38.820if you refer to mr olson's written statement it's plaintiff's exhibit 12.3 he too has reviewed this
00:48:47.560video. And he has also identified this video as being accurate with the exception of those
00:48:55.260additions. In his words, it's the zooms and the red highlights. They weren't part of the original
00:49:00.800recording, according to Mr. Olson. But other than that, as he states, the same as Agent Hull,
00:49:09.800these videos are accurate. And they were captured by UVU surveillance video.
00:49:17.560Do you have a version of this video that does not have alterations such as zooming or circling?
00:49:27.100My concern is that if the 1102 says what it says about the videos, these were the videos, but then it was altered.
00:49:38.420And typically an exhibit which has been altered, and if it wasn't done by the person who supplied the 1102, that that can become problematic.
00:49:47.560And so do you have a version of this exhibit that does not have the zooming in or the circling?
00:49:54.200Again, I don't know all the alterations that were made, but that seems to fall outside the 1102
00:49:59.660because you don't have a person testifying 1102 saying, I made the alterations.
00:50:06.160And so that's the concern of what Ms. Nestor was talking about as it relates to the state's evidence.
00:50:14.440I have that concern about those alterations.
00:50:17.280I don't, again, I don't know when they were made, what they were made, how much was done to manipulate the video.
00:50:24.900And I say manipulate to, not saying in a nefarious way, but I don't know what the scope of that is and how much it deviates from what was the original form.
00:50:37.940Judge, to answer your first question, do we have a version of this particular video that has not been altered?
00:51:21.880We could actually call that person as a witness if that would cure that.
00:51:26.440And we're prepared to do that if necessary.
00:51:29.380But, Judge, I think that our burden is to simply authenticate what this is.
00:51:38.040And it is a video that, with only a few exceptions, alterations, that really don't change the substance of the video or the content of the video, they're accurate.
00:51:50.360They depict what the cameras captured on September 10th and the 11th.
00:51:54.500And we have two people who have seen that raw footage, and they've explained that's the only difference between what we have originally in the original videos and what you're seeing here today.
00:52:05.340And the additions, I will submit, Judge, were only added to make it easier to view.
00:56:22.320Okay. And what can you tell us about that video?
00:56:26.040It was a ring doorbell video that was provided that showed a vehicle consistent with the one we had identified as belonging to Mr. Robinson parking in front of the residence across the street.
00:56:39.660Okay. And what can you tell us about the timing and the, well, the timing of that parked vehicle?
00:56:45.520If I recall, that vehicle parked approximately 0.38 hours on the morning of the 11th.
01:16:32.980So, in the first part of that video, what do you see?
01:17:01.880The vehicle we believe to be driven by Mr. Robinson pulling up and parking across the street but in front of the residents.
01:17:08.880And then in the next video, what do you believe is displayed in that video?
01:17:13.880There's an individual who gets out of the vehicle. You can hear the door close and then that individual moves away from the front of the vehicle.
01:17:22.880There's actually two reflective panels on a dumpster and you can see the individual past those reflective panels.
01:17:30.880panels. And in the last of those series of videos? The second to last one the
01:17:38.320individual comes back across those reflective panels to the vehicle unlocks
01:17:41.760the vehicle and gets into it and then in the last video the vehicle is started
01:20:00.880All right, everybody, welcome into this very special edition of Just the News, No Noise.
01:20:30.280As you're watching, this is the trial of Tyler Robinson.
01:20:33.680The judge is set to determine whether the full trial is going to move forward based on the evidence for alleged Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson.
01:20:42.540So joining us now to break all of this down and everything that has happened thus far is former prosecutor and career trial attorney, Wendy Patrick.
01:20:53.560This might be a very brief convo because the council has approached the bench and they might go back to the proceedings.
01:20:58.460But what have been some of the biggest takeaways for you today so far?
01:21:02.820One of the biggest takeaways is the record that this group is making.
01:21:06.340And I say group because I mean both the prosecution, the defense and the judge.
01:21:10.300This is one of those cases where you do not want anything going wrong because you're preserving this transcript for potential appeal.
01:21:17.000And that's really one of the things they're focused on, including this hearing they're having right now.
01:21:21.900So it seems to me that, you know, as a layperson, they're going through the evidence, trying to figure out what can be admitted.
01:21:27.580Is there anything that stands out to you as, oh, my goodness, this could be the nail in the coffin for Tyler Robinson or the other side of that?
01:21:36.480Yes, that's a great question, because one of the things that makes a huge impact is the actual footage of the assassination.
01:21:42.340I mean, that has to be one of the most damning pieces of evidence in any type of a trial like this.
01:21:47.120And unfortunately, for those of us that saw it, it is absolutely triggering.
01:21:51.400So that's the kind of evidence that's explosive in nature.
01:21:55.260So you bet the defense is going to do everything they can to make a record that indicates they've done what they can to keep it out.
01:22:02.240On the other hand, that's a big piece of evidence for the prosecution.
01:22:05.700And while they're justifiably also concerned about the re-traumatizing effect of it, it's a big part of the case.
01:22:13.040So this is the fine line both sides are watching when it comes to what is the most important pieces of evidence to litigate.
01:22:20.200So that is one of the reasons why we're seeing so much about that here.
01:22:24.060Authentication, I have to say, is another big deal at the preliminary hearing, because
01:22:28.320although you don't carry the same standard of proof, I mean, the judge just has to find
01:22:32.220probable cause to move the case forward till trial.
01:22:35.320You also want to make sure that all the evidence is reliable.
01:22:38.040So you have authentication, admissibility, publication, relevancy, reliability.
01:22:43.540All of those things that are important at a trial are, to some extent, also important
01:22:48.960And one more thing I'll add, because I used to be a defense attorney before I was a prosecutor,
01:22:53.120The defense is testing the waters to see how much of what type of evidence the judge is going to admit, because that's going to inform their trial strategy.
01:23:02.640They don't have to show their hand at a prelim.
01:23:05.100Prosecution has to show a lot more evidence.
01:23:07.120The defense doesn't have to show any, but they do have an opportunity to test some of these objections here, as you see that they're doing.
01:23:14.300Do you see thus far, because you hear in courtroom terms all the time about preponderance of evidence, have we reached that point yet?
01:23:23.120Well, it's even less than that at a prelim. It's a slight suspicion. They call it different things in different jurisdictions. But probable cause basically means there has to be enough evidence to proceed to trial. Now, we have enough evidence in the court of public opinion. And given that most of that will be recreated here, you are going to meet that quantum of evidence.
01:23:42.020But even though everyone knows that's where we're headed, it still has to be done on the record.
01:23:47.600And that is one of the reasons we have so many questions asked.
01:23:58.620But there's no room for mistakes in a case this high profile and with all the different types of evidence.
01:24:04.940And as you're seeing, given the judge actually just sustaining one of the defense objections, we can't take anything for granted.
01:24:13.020And that's why, even though you only need that small quantum of evidence, they're going over and above, crossing the teeth and dotting the eyes to make sure no mistakes are made.
01:24:23.680Yeah. I mean, I think of all of the high profile trials out there where there have been just procedural errors, things that, you know, not even intentionally tainted the case, but ultimately ended up having the case or not.
01:24:36.000I mean, we're looking at Harvey Weinstein.
01:26:41.200But what I'm looking at is in the disturbance of the gravels what I saw that day
01:26:46.360Okay, and what can you describe for the record that disturbance?
01:26:50.260To me when I got up there and I could see this disturbance of gravel
01:26:55.120To me, it looks like a sniper pad, a person that has been laid in a prone position, and you've got markings of elbows, knees, and feet to where somebody was in the line of sight of where Charlie's tent was.
01:27:10.000And for our audience, just FYI, the reason we haven't gone back into that courtroom is because the councils approached the bench and had a conversation, and then it appears that they went on break.
01:27:18.380So as soon as they come back from that break, we will dip straight back in.
01:27:22.500But I want to ask you, you know, it's not supposed to matter what the emotions are surrounding this.
01:27:30.180But I can't help but think that, I mean, unless you are just a stone cold, concrete hearted person, it's got to play into this at some point, even if you don't want to admit it.
01:27:42.060It's true. And here's what's interesting about that point.
01:27:45.120It is definitely always a jury instruction that they have to make their decision without passion or prejudice.
01:27:50.160You can't let your emotions at all color your view of the evidence.
01:27:53.960You would be amazed how seriously jurors take that admonition.
01:27:57.680I mean, I've been trying cases for 30 years and they will always admit afterwards that,
01:28:02.120you know, there was a big disagreement in the jury room because if there's any indication
01:28:06.080somebody is using emotion instead of fact, they'll make sure they go overboard to prevent
01:28:16.540And if anybody has to walk out in tears, I know Erica Kirk already left at least once today, the jurors have to also make sure they don't let that emotion color their judgment.
01:28:26.580So if it's something they take seriously, I'm optimistic.
01:28:29.340I believe that, especially working as a group, most of the time they're able to do it.
01:28:34.400Wendy, is there a larger picture in all of this that, again, I know, just like the emotion thing, I know it's not supposed to be in their mind.
01:28:43.080But there to me is an overarching principle here, and it's that political disagreements and grievances should not be solved, I suppose, with violence.
01:28:53.920Because you look at a case like this and what it says to the American people about the left and the right and the way that each side handles disagreements compared to the other.
01:29:03.800And I have to think that in this day and age, when we see people constantly trying to kill the president of the United States, shooting up congressional baseball games, shooting up ice facilities, time after time after time, you see this happening.
01:29:16.700It's frankly, just as an observer, it's coming from one side going towards the other.
01:29:21.800But there's got to be a piece of this.
01:29:23.580There's got to be a layer on top of all of this that's informed by the news that we continue
01:29:29.700hearing, which is that one side carries out violence to try to silence the other.
01:29:35.260And that partisan viewpoint is also something that jurors will be screened for before they're
01:29:42.020Because simply by admitting what side you're on, you're also admitting ideology much of the time, not all the time.
01:29:49.180But that is something both sides are going to have an opportunity to explore.
01:29:52.460And by the way, that is such an important point.
01:29:54.960It was actually one of the rationales the judge used in letting the media have access to the proceedings we're watching in real time.
01:30:02.560The defense didn't want cameras in the courtroom.
01:30:04.540They didn't want anything live streamed.
01:30:06.100The judge reminded everyone that we can investigate partisan politics, judicial overview, viewpoints that potential jurors might have and then how to contain those before a jury is selected.
01:30:18.520Because what you exactly said, it does seem to be one sided.
01:30:21.720If you look at this administration, they're going to worry that that's going to color the judgment and you're going to have jurors sitting there that are going to be deciding the case based on something other than the testimony and the evidence provided in the courtroom.
01:30:34.920That is the litmus test. No matter who they are, what emotions they feel, what politics they hold, they can only judge Tyler Robinson based on what comes off the witness stand and what's presented as evidence.
01:30:47.380Wendy Patrick, thank you so much for this analysis. And this this is going to be ongoing throughout the week unless it ends in the next few days.
01:30:54.140So we will definitely have to get you back on to break it all down for us. Wendy, thanks so much for being here.
01:32:21.220Welcome back, everybody. That hearing is set to return in just a few moments. But in the meantime,
01:32:28.560I want to squeeze in a few more questions with Wendy Patrick, our guest right now. She's former
01:32:32.380prosecutor and career trial attorney and has a great perspective on all of this. Wendy, I want
01:32:36.860to ask you about the timeline. As I was just telling my audience, we're going to be carrying
01:32:40.200this through the end of it today, which I think is supposed to end in about 30 minutes. But
01:32:44.620it is scheduled to go on throughout the week. Is this the type of thing, the pace that you are
01:32:50.400seeing today, is that an indication that it will take the whole week? Or do you think that
01:32:54.980everything will be presented and the hearing will wrap up sooner than that?
01:32:59.180You know, it's a great question. Judges always ask that question. Counsel, are we really looking
01:33:03.080at five days or are you going to get everything done in three? When we, had you asked me that
01:33:07.360question four hours ago, I would say, let's block out next week too. But then we really did seem to
01:33:13.060pick up the pace and that's as it should be because the defense is getting some idea as to
01:33:17.660what kind of objections are going to be overruled, what are going to be sustained.
01:33:22.320They're lodging what we call standing objections to certain types of evidence,
01:33:26.660which means they don't have to keep reciting them again and again.
01:33:29.580That's going to cut down on the anticipated amount of time.
01:33:33.120And there also is an element of the judge at some point will know for a fact he has enough evidence,
01:33:38.460and it'll be interesting to see if he behaves as many of his peers do
01:33:42.120and begins to signal to the parties that he's heard enough and there is plenty to go to trial.
01:33:47.280Now, the key for the defense when we get to that point is they have to make sure they've made all the right objections to try to keep out all the evidence they're going to argue makes it make sense not to move forward.
01:33:59.100The prosecutor has to do the same thing, except they always go much further than the defense in putting in as much evidence they need and then some in a case of this magnitude.
01:34:08.480So having said all that, I think we're definitely going to be done this week, possibly before Friday.
01:34:13.980All right. I want to ask you to give a performance review thus far of each side, the council on each side.
01:34:24.840Does it seem to you and do they have a reputation?
01:34:27.900Is there a reputational information that you can give us about each of these sides that tells us, hey, these people are the top of their game.
01:34:34.660It's going to be a dogfight till the end or maybe not.
01:34:36.940Uh-huh. Well, because I don't practice in that jurisdiction, I would say I have an even more
01:34:42.080objective assessment of their performance in the courtroom today. You know, one of the things I
01:34:46.660would say characterizes this hearing so far is civility. You have both sides standing up,
01:34:52.320you know, making their objections. They don't raise their voice. Their demeanor is right.
01:34:55.920And I don't think it's simply because there are television cameras, because what happens is we
01:35:01.160tend to forget about the cameras when passions sort of take over objectivity. I haven't seen
01:35:06.660this today. They are being very polite to one another. The judge is very polite. They're even
01:35:12.040keeled. Their tone is adequate. There is no reason for them to go over the top at a prelim. There's
01:35:17.640no jury there to rate them. I think they're doing very well. And I think that objective analysis,
01:35:23.020if it carries through to trial, is going to result with the judge at the end saying it's
01:35:26.720been a pleasure to work with all of you. The judge also does not seem to be treating either party as
01:35:32.080if there's some foreknowledge that there's a problem attorney in the bank. Now, maybe there's
01:35:37.360a Utah lawyer that's going to come in and prove me wrong. But I can tell you what I'm seeing is
01:35:41.820what the jury is going to see. Because remember, one of the other questions they're asked at the
01:35:45.800beginning of Wadir is, do you know the parties or any of the attorneys? So there'll be an opportunity
01:35:51.220to vet that as well. But so far, so good. Okay, Wendy, let me ask you this, because
01:35:56.720there have been trials out there where there is just absolutely brutal and grotesque video
01:36:03.760and photos and things like that. And this one, there was a shocking element to the video that
01:36:10.960we saw of Charlie Kirk. I remember that day vividly. I mean, it was almost a surreal day
01:36:17.220in our newsroom. We're all shouting at each other from across the newsroom, trying to get the latest
01:36:22.480information, trying to verify it with two or three sources before we put anything out there.
01:36:27.180But one thing we knew was that we saw that video and we saw something extremely shocking and frankly
01:36:32.940evil happen before our eyes. Does that play into this? Is this the type of situation where that
01:36:39.500gets played in the courtroom over and over and over again so that that makes an impression
01:36:45.920in those jurors' brains? It won't be played over and over again. It's another great point you make.
01:36:51.320A judge won't allow that, but it's going to be just as triggering, just as traumatic and just as surreal as it was for all of us when we first saw it.
01:36:59.620And I'll add, not only is it re-traumatizing for everybody in the courtroom, but remember that assassination really had a worldwide reverberation.
01:37:09.280There were people that weren't even Christians that were coming up to me.
01:37:13.020One of the other hats I wear is as a Christian minister and basically admitting they felt like they'd lost a family member.
01:37:19.540And they weren't yet even people of faith.
01:37:22.320So understanding the Charlie Kirk effect,
01:37:25.520no judge is going to allow it to be played over and over again.
01:37:28.460And I honestly, it seems like once is all you need with footage that shocking.
01:37:34.360And it's one of those pieces of video where it's not that it's so graphic in terms of blood and gore.
01:37:40.360It is just so shocking in terms of the way it happened.
01:37:46.860But I believe the jury will be able to see it.
01:37:49.540Yeah. And, you know, there was this other aspect of it because, you know, so often the
01:37:54.860left tries to argue on one side of a debate issue and they say, well, you know, you guys
01:38:01.000just need to come at us with facts. You need to come at us civilly. You need to come at
01:38:04.540us, you know, in a calm manner. There wasn't anyone out there on the conservative side
01:38:09.540who came out with more facts, with more civility and with more calmness than Charlie Kirk.0.70
01:38:16.360So if they're willing to kill Charlie Kirk to silence him, my goodness, the rest of us, especially hotheads like me, I mean, we're screwed when it comes to their opinion of us.
01:38:25.780You know, we are hopeful that cooler heads prevail on both sides.
01:38:31.040You know, there are plenty of people on the left that absolutely decry acts of violence like this or any kind of violence or any type of egging anybody on towards violence.
01:38:40.940But you are correct. It's a vocal minority and it's a small sliver that really is the problem here.
01:38:47.060And this is what this trial is about as well. You know, it's not just about an assassination.
01:38:51.460It's also about the larger political issues that you describe, which is another reason we're going to see a long preliminary examination is that everyone understands what's riding on this.
01:39:01.840So I have to say, I hope it's a wake up call as the remember the baseball game.
01:39:06.940And that was a wake up call for both sides for a while.
01:39:09.320This will be another wake up call that reminds everyone that political violence is never the issue.
01:39:14.420And that's a bipartisan statement that both sides of the aisle can get behind.
01:39:19.000Absolutely. Wendy Patrick, always appreciate your analysis.
01:39:21.600We're going to dip back into the courtroom and hopefully we'll have you on later on in the week to re-up on that on that wisdom.
01:39:28.120All right, everybody, here we are. Here we are.
01:39:31.200Sorted out these few questions. We were all in agreement that we want to break through the day.
01:39:36.940You may proceed with your questions and we'll take it from there.
01:39:46.940All right. Agent Hole, I asked you earlier after you had testified about all the video that you've watched
01:39:56.940and video that you believe depicts Mr. Robinson from the UVU surveillance
01:40:02.940and that combined with the driver's license and the DMV records whether or
01:40:09.540not you believe that that person that you have seen in the video and on the
01:40:12.540driver's license record is in the courtroom today and I believe your
01:40:15.940answer was yes yes that's correct and then I asked you if if you wouldn't mind
01:40:22.140pointing him out and describing something he's wearing and I don't
01:40:27.000believe that I allowed you to do that okay would you do that right now yeah
01:40:31.500Senator, just for the record, we would impose an objection based on the 14th Amendment for due process due to an unduly suggestive in-court ID.
01:40:39.680Also, we believe there's a lack of foundation establishing his ability to interpret the surveillance video.
01:52:15.580Absolutely. All right, everybody, we're going to take a very quick break,
01:52:17.860but we're going to have much more for you on the other side.
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