Bannon's War Room - Episode 5502： Day 3 Of The Charlie Kirk Assassination Trial

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00:00:44.720 your host stephen k bann wednesday 8 july year of our lord 2026 there's so much going on the

00:00:55.360 The NATO conference is over.

00:00:58.120 I think the president's heading back.

00:01:00.160 Pretty fiery.

00:01:01.080 At one moment, very accommodating for NATO,

00:01:04.140 saying they had a great dinner, a great meeting, a lot of unity.

00:01:07.420 And then, on the other hand, putting certain NATO members on blast,

00:01:10.960 putting NATO sometimes on blast.

00:01:13.620 This whole situation between Turkey and Israel,

00:01:17.880 Israel kind of challenging President Trump on his association with Erdogan

00:01:22.600 in uh turkey and uh what turkey means for um the uh what they intend to do in gaza and other things

00:01:29.560 so very very very intense today also president trump said hey look i've tried negotiating i've

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00:01:43.260 aetola and his uh followers can't have control can't have the finger on a button of a nuclear 0.55

00:01:48.540 weapon. Now, he did go and reinforce what we said. He's obliterated the he's obliterated the

00:01:52.900 nuclear program. But he said that's his number one concern. And we're back in it as of tonight.

00:01:58.040 I think tonight can even be more intense. So we'll have to find out about that. But right now

00:02:03.400 he's given CENCOM. I think CENCOM just sent out a notice here moments ago about about revving this

00:02:09.560 thing up. Wendy Patrick joins us. Now, Wendy, this is a very truncated session today. And normally

00:02:15.400 in federal courts, Wednesdays a day, if they're in trial, they do break to do what they call

00:02:19.940 court business. All the other trials they're trying to juggle because these people have

00:02:23.240 massive caseloads. Can you get us up to date? What's your assessment of what we've seen so

00:02:28.560 far? And what do you anticipate for the rest of the day? What we've seen so far is attempting to

00:02:34.660 get into the statements, the statements from Mr. Robinson, the statements from Robinson's roommate,

00:02:39.260 but that has hit a snag, a snag in the sense that procedurally, there was apparently a

00:02:45.340 lack of meeting of the minds about how we were going to get into this evidence and what was going

00:02:49.380 to be admissible. So there's been a request to hear more information and more evidence from what

00:02:55.800 the roommate Lance Twigg said to investigators. Remember, this is important because this is the

00:03:00.420 person to whom Mr. Robinson allegedly not only admitted his intention to admit the crime, but

00:03:06.260 afterwards that he did. This is important because thus far we've set the steam, we've connected the

00:03:12.240 dots in terms of forensics, ballistics, DNA, video evidence. But we're now getting into the

00:03:19.440 real meat of the case, which is what did the defendant say he did with respect to Mr. Robinson?

00:03:25.220 Now, for the very first time also, Steve, I've noticed a little bit of the judge getting a little

00:03:30.560 antsy that maybe there are unanticipated delays that he wants to avoid. Because you remember

00:03:36.760 what he said at the beginning of the afternoon this case this prelim will be completed by friday

00:03:42.580 at 5 p.m is are both sides okay with that they both said yes and then here we go right out of

00:03:47.500 the gate we have this big procedural hurdle but you know what steve they're going to work it out

00:03:51.400 they're going to talk behind the scenes that they have to and they're going to re-hit the ground

00:03:55.040 running because as you notice the court has other business today but but but hang on a second this

00:03:59.440 is what i was saying yesterday and look i'm no professional i'm watching it like and following

00:04:02.940 you and others um given their seven charges it's a capital murder case and they're asking for the

00:04:09.800 death penalty um it seemed even yesterday with all the you know all the objections and everything

00:04:16.220 that it was it was never going to end on friday today even slowed it down more he may say that

00:04:21.700 but just structurally how do you get through you have all day tomorrow basically from uh nine in

00:04:27.880 the morning. In fact, audience, we will switch over to 11. But nine in the morning till five

00:04:34.740 in the afternoon and nine to five on Friday. How do you anticipate getting through everything else

00:04:39.360 they have to get in basically two days and a couple hours? Because there's only a few witnesses

00:04:45.040 left. That was the way the judge started the day today is he asked both sides, how many witnesses

00:04:50.900 do you have left? Prosecution had to, defense had to. And the defense too, the way they were titled

00:04:57.160 as gun experts didn't sound like it was going to take an entire day.

00:05:01.540 So given that there are so few witnesses left, that would be the only way that they would

00:05:06.440 be able to get done by Friday.

00:05:07.900 And even with some of the hold up today, arguing over procedure, I still think that they're

00:05:13.320 going to be able to do it.

00:05:14.600 And remember, the judge keeps reminding them it's just a probable cause hearing, which

00:05:19.060 tells me he is transmitting to them, we will be wrapping up this at Friday at 5 p.m.

00:05:25.140 So I think we're going to get there.

00:05:27.160 I want to make sure the audience understands something

00:05:31.760 because people are so used to seeing procedurals on TV

00:05:34.580 and movies and Perry Mason and all that

00:05:36.620 for the aha moment.

00:05:38.940 You're sitting here on the furry boyfriend, right?

00:05:44.260 They're laying out so much information

00:05:46.120 and having to lay out so much information

00:05:48.180 and a probable cause.

00:05:49.920 How does both sides not know exactly the moves

00:05:52.880 the other side's going to make after this is all over?

00:05:55.000 Haven't they presented essentially everything in the road map?

00:05:58.340 There may be a couple of things they they were able to keep hidden.

00:06:01.620 But like, for instance, on this thing with the boyfriend, they're going in so much detail now about this.

00:06:05.940 Wouldn't this be the type of thing they'd want to pop at a trial to get the jury to be more inclined to their to their side one way or the other?

00:06:14.580 That would be the way you'd see it on Perry Mason, wouldn't it?

00:06:17.260 it would be a surprise at trial. But given the state of criminal law and due process and the

00:06:22.460 rules of evidence, that wouldn't be the way that they would be allowed to do it. That's what

00:06:27.480 prelims are for. They're not only for testing certain pieces of evidence, but have you seen

00:06:32.900 with the Lance Twig's testimony with procedurally, how is it going to be admissible? How much is it

00:06:39.620 going to be admissible? Are they going to sanitize it? In other words, are there some portions of

00:06:43.860 this testimony there are too explosive or too irrelevant, you know, where it would be overly

00:06:48.860 prejudicial to actually allow that to get into the record. Only what's relevant and only what

00:06:54.960 doesn't fail that test of prejudice versus probative value gets into the record. That's

00:07:00.660 what the judge is doing today. So there can be no surprises at trial, even though I agree,

00:07:06.400 that's what many people in the public expect to see, because that's always the way it's portrayed.

00:07:10.440 When you say about the information and that you just went to your checklist, bang, bang, bang, on either autopsy or ballistics, and remember, I'm a civilian in this, on either autopsy or ballistics, has really overwhelming evidence been laid out that proves it one way or the other?

00:07:30.280 No, not overwhelming evidence. And one great example of that is the autopsy report was received in evidence, but we didn't see any of the photographs. We didn't hear from any doctors that described the wound. Thank God, because that would have been horrible for those friends, family members and loved ones in the courtroom.

00:07:49.260 But you don't need to have that at a probable cause hearing.

00:07:52.680 But that's a great point because that will be what you'll hear at trial.

00:07:56.760 That will be the details that they'll go into at trial.

00:07:59.400 In other words, they won't just enter in the autopsy report.

00:08:02.060 You'll have somebody going through it line by line to determine not just the cause of death, manner of death, but then they'll tie that into the actual bullet that was fired, which, of course, will be tying back to Tyler Robinson.

00:08:13.660 So, too, with the ballistics.

00:08:15.100 It won't just be somebody testifying sort of generally about where was the gun found, the DNA on the trigger, which was Mrs. Robertson's, is going to be all of the details as to how exactly they know that, where they found what.

00:08:28.640 But you can't go into that type of detail that a prelim would never be done with it.

00:08:32.200 And I know some people are thinking that that's what we're thinking about this prelim, but they're just making their record, testing the strength of the evidence, and they'll be done by Friday.

00:08:40.100 there are obviously intense um interest and scrutiny on this and there are some people

00:08:50.460 that have put up and and been on podcasts and put up alternative theories and some people may call

00:08:55.860 those conspiracy theories and some of them may be a little out there but you do have a large

00:09:00.980 amount of the public including the war room audience that just sitting there going something

00:09:05.720 something doesn't feel right about this. They just don't. And I'm one of just something,

00:09:10.440 something not right about this yet. It appears that we're trying to be sold a narrative. Is

00:09:16.300 that too harsh? You're a professional and you see this all the time. Do you think this is

00:09:20.540 pretty straightforward? So for those that are a little skeptical or feel like particularly in

00:09:24.980 some of the comments made afterwards, you're trying to be sold like an FBI narrative. You're

00:09:29.060 trying to be sold the established orders narrative that that is too harsh and that actually the way

00:09:34.780 you see it professionally? This has been going in a pretty professional manner?

00:09:39.960 Well, I think it's a great question because I've heard and read all the same theories that you

00:09:44.080 have. And a lot of people say, look at this kid. He's such a sharpshooter. He fired one bullet

00:09:49.920 and was able to execute Charlie Kirk. I've heard that. I've seen that. The problem in a court of

00:09:55.580 law is even if the judge has heard all the same things, he can only deal with the evidence that

00:10:00.200 is before him. And nobody's come forward with any evidence that there was another person involved in

00:10:05.080 the shooting. Here's a video of somebody else doing it. Here's a video of a conspiracy between,

00:10:09.800 you know, 10 outsiders that influenced Tyler Robinson to do what he did. If that information

00:10:15.660 were to come to light, you bet that both sides would brief it and argue it and litigate it in

00:10:20.100 court. But unless and until something tangible comes of it, we're not going to see it in this

00:10:25.840 courtroom, even though it continues to be discussed vociferously. I've read all the same

00:10:30.660 things in the court of public opinion. Do you think there's been enough probing or maybe this

00:10:36.240 is not the place for it for the deep investigation of Tyler Robinson? Like not just the motives of

00:10:43.720 his love affair with this furry, but other things like when we went up there, I flew out there the

00:10:50.940 day that Charlie was uh was assassinated and we set up shop there for three or four days and

00:10:56.520 actually I went around I was kind of shocked actually given my knowledge of Utah I was kind 0.97

00:11:01.700 of shocked in Salt Lake City particularly the amount of like gay pride flags out and uh you

00:11:07.260 know they they have these militias of these uh these transgender ideology militia I was a little

00:11:13.060 shocked about how well developed that is and there was a situation down in St. George George's where

00:11:19.160 you know, a guy, one of these guys killed his entire family. Is there any evidence coming

00:11:24.280 forward or is this the time to get it out there that the FBI or state officials actually sat down

00:11:30.740 and did a thorough investigation of any sources, any money, any involvement at all, any support

00:11:37.300 for Robinson? Or is that assumed that it's not important if you've got a love note between him

00:11:44.080 in the furry. Yeah, I think the love note, the admission is front and center. That's the most

00:11:51.140 important. In terms of what investigation was being done, you have to imagine behind the scenes

00:11:56.400 that there was extensive investigation as to this defendant's ties to other individuals.

00:12:01.360 Okay, but hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. Okay, I assume that, you assume that.

00:12:07.660 Where is that going to come out? Or is it not, if it's, they just, who decides that's not relevant

00:12:12.680 to even say, we looked at this, we went down this route, they do that in trial?

00:12:17.360 Or should that be done in this preliminary?

00:12:19.320 Just if nothing more than the public can be assured that every stone was unturned

00:12:25.280 to find out any potential involvement of anybody, any institution, any organization

00:12:29.700 regarding the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

00:12:32.880 The frustrating thing about a court of law is they don't have to talk about everything they did or looked at.

00:12:38.780 They have to talk about what they found that's relevant to the case.

00:12:41.780 So, for example, in a case like this, they may have looked at all the social media they could.

00:12:47.560 They may have talked to neighbors and friends because, remember, it is relevant why he committed the crime.

00:12:54.140 Remember that Charlie Kirk was targeted.

00:12:56.000 So his ideology in that sense was relevant.

00:12:59.880 But that's probably the extent of it because the judge has to see what's relevant to what I have in front of me in the charging document.

00:13:06.800 And there's no charges or allegations regarding any kind of conspiracy.

00:13:10.960 So that's what's frustrating about what we won't get to hear in a preliminary hearing or at trial.

00:13:17.980 And that's the reason.

00:13:19.180 And if something were to come to light, Steve, between now and the trial, then we would potentially not only be able to hear about it,

00:13:27.440 but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some additional hearing to decide how much of that was actually going to be admissible.

00:13:34.420 And that hearing might be public, too.

00:13:37.140 Can you hang on for a second, Wendy?

00:13:39.240 The court is out. If they come back, we're going to cut right to it.

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00:13:54.240 just like if you were sitting in the grand jury. I think it's very, very important.

00:13:57.300 We believe we owe that to Charlie, but we owe it to the country just as much because we've got to get to the bottom of the Charlie Kirk situation.

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00:19:17.220 Here's your host, Stephen K.

00:19:19.420 Bannon.

00:19:21.100 Wendy, here's what I'm trying to get at.

00:19:23.540 Jack Kennedy's murder.

00:19:24.680 Jack Kennedy was a symbol for guys like my dad in that age, that greatest generation.

00:19:30.440 Jack Kennedy was a war hero when he didn't have to be.

00:19:33.320 He volunteered for some of the most dangerous, one of the most dangerous naval jobs in the positions, billets in the Pacific.

00:19:39.980 His brother died as kind of a test pilot testing bombs over Europe.

00:19:44.240 These were the best of the best.

00:19:45.640 His smile, the way he carried himself, he just embodied that American spirit.

00:19:50.480 And to be assassinated by a guy like Lee Harvey Oswald is one of the things that people, you just, you know,

00:19:55.140 the prince in Camelot can't be assassinated by a guy like Lee Harvey Oswald, just a stone-cold 0.99

00:20:02.120 loser. It's the same thing here with Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk was the best of his generation. So 0.99

00:20:07.700 many young men looked up to him. Charlie would go into the bear pit of these universities and take

00:20:13.020 on all these tough questions, but do it with a smile and say, hey, come up to the front like he

00:20:16.240 did at the very moment he was being assassinated, being killed with a smile on his face. Charlie

00:20:21.420 Kirk could have been president of the United States one day. Charlie Kirk was kind of the Jack

00:20:26.260 Kennedy of his era as far as representing the best of that generation. And to be killed, you know,

00:20:33.760 one of the engine room, one of our guys in the engine room texted me, said, Steve, I never thought 0.99

00:20:38.460 I'd watch War Room and have you say the phrase gay furry lover. And I'm sitting there going, 0.51

00:20:42.720 you're right. It's totally absurd. And not just that. These kids, two young men are Mormons in

00:20:48.200 utah which were presented as the most stable state in the union with the mormon traditions and in the

00:20:53.300 in the mormon faith and the mormon belief in family and in the in the assassin the alleged

00:20:58.040 assassin looks like a normal everyday guy it just it boggles the mind of what we're doing we're

00:21:04.740 sitting here about an assassination of arguably one of the greatest young men in his generation 0.65

00:21:09.660 and we're talking about gay furry lovers i mean it just went through the looking glass nothing 0.66

00:21:14.740 makes sense in this thing, ma'am? Yeah, you know, Charlie Kirk's assassination really changed the

00:21:20.740 world. I agree with everything you said. He's one of a kind. He's somebody just absolutely stands

00:21:26.620 out in his generation. You know, I was around the world afterwards and met people everywhere that

00:21:31.600 weren't even Christians that felt like they'd lost a family member is the way they described it. You

00:21:36.620 talk about the ripple effect. And then you're right. We're talking in court about some of these

00:21:41.220 issues and we're looking at Tyler Robinson. And not only does it not make sense, there's a great

00:21:45.760 sense of injustice on so many levels that's magnified through remembering who Charlie Kirk

00:21:52.000 was. And you're right, not only was he having that discussion when he was assassinated, the topic was

00:21:57.040 gun violence. Talk about making it just extra tragic and ironic at the same time. But that's

00:22:02.920 one of the reasons that you have so many people tuning into a trial like this and trying to figure

00:22:08.240 out not only how do we make sense of it, but what should the consequences be? Everyone says,

00:22:12.820 oh, we can't bring them back, but we can bring them justice. And that is also going to include

00:22:17.840 justice for the Kirk family, for Erica Kirk, for Turning Point USA, for all those beloved friends,

00:22:24.980 family, fans, and followers in the courtroom that waited since one in the morning to get a seat in

00:22:30.140 the courtroom. That's one of the things that distinguishes this case, as well as the lack

00:22:34.160 of a fan club for the defendant somebody asked me last hour about well remember luigi mangioni

00:22:39.180 had this big fan club you don't see that kind of support for tyler robinson do you

00:22:43.340 well trust me online these and these people are purely evil but i i don't know i just i

00:22:50.500 equate this with lee harvey oswald that people could not grasp that jack kennedy was gunned down

00:22:58.840 in broad daylight by someone like a Lee Harvey Oswald,

00:23:02.200 just a total creep, and it's tough to understand

00:23:04.840 that Charlie Kirk was gunned down

00:23:07.080 and we're having discussions about, you know,

00:23:09.480 what is gay furry and how does that mean as far as lovers go?

00:23:12.640 I mean, it boggles the mind, and maybe you're saying

00:23:14.560 in a court of law it's so limited for evidence,

00:23:17.300 maybe you need a broader inquiry just to make sure

00:23:19.580 that every rock has been unturned

00:23:22.700 to make sure that anyone associated with this at all

00:23:25.680 is brought to justice.

00:23:27.120 Now, let me ask you the question about the trial.

00:23:28.840 In your professional opinion, since this is an intricate chess match of laying foundational elements for moves that you're going to make a year from now, five or six in advance, have you seen any screw-ups, either the defense or the prosecution, on this concept of foundation, where they're laying a foundation for evidence they're going to need later, ma'am?

00:23:49.560 Not yet. And that's because they are being so meticulous about everything they say and do.

00:23:56.080 And you know who's partially to thank for that is this judge.

00:24:00.440 Not only have they briefed this case to death, you pointed that out yesterday, they papered each other to death.

00:24:06.260 Not only did the judge read everything that was filed, but every time he rules on the foundation that's necessary to introduce a specific piece of evidence,

00:24:14.400 he goes back and forth, back and forth, making sure both sides say everything they want to say.

00:24:19.100 And then he articulates a long grounds and rationale for his ruling.

00:24:24.060 That is the type of thing I expect him to do, not only between now and Friday, but on Friday, when he delivers his ruling, binding the case over for trial.

00:24:33.500 Everybody knows that's where it's headed. He's heard enough.

00:24:35.600 But he's really going to make sure that he articulates how all that evidence is admissible.

00:24:40.880 Because it's hard to screw up in front of a judge that's so meticulous in wanting to create that record.

00:24:46.340 But you're right. That's what both sides are looking for.

00:24:48.540 What do we see now that we can exploit five moves later?

00:24:53.340 And you're saying there's no doubt in your mind we're going to trial on this, as you see it so far?

00:24:58.360 Unless there's some kind of a plea bargain.

00:25:00.720 You know, that would require extensive negotiations behind the scenes, and the prosecution would have to want to ever do that.

00:25:06.980 Do you see any assessment at all of the defense starting to weigh and measure that where they would try to go in and cut a deal to say, hey, we'll plead guilty, but take the death penalty off the table?

00:25:19.060 Do you see anything in the prosecution's case? Because that negotiation will take place in months, not now.

00:25:25.360 But do you see, do you sense that that will be one of, given the evidence they're presenting and the foundational elements they're laying out, that the defense could be thinking about that even right now?

00:25:35.940 Yes, because the evidence is very strong and it's being established very strongly.

00:25:41.700 You know, as we go day by day, the defense is testing to make sure that the authentication is there, that the relevance is there.

00:25:49.360 They're testing the evidence to ensure the case is as strong as it looks and sounds.

00:25:53.700 And when they are convinced that it is, then they'll have that conversation with their client as to, you know,

00:25:58.620 if it's going to be easier to prove than maybe they thought before they got to prelim, is this something they want to bring up again?

00:26:04.700 But Steve, the prosecution doesn't have to agree to that. That's up to them. They're going to talk to Erica Kirk. They're going to talk to the family. They're going to talk to everyone they need to, to make that decision. That's a collaborative decision between the family, the fans, the friends, the loved ones, and the state of the evidence, which up till now appears to be very solid.

00:26:24.780 okay Wendy we're gonna let you take a little break there obviously having a longer break in

00:26:29.500 the court we'll let you take a break uh and um and uh we'll get to you tomorrow morning

00:26:33.940 when we're back all right sounds good Steve thank you Wendy Wendy really want to thank you you make

00:26:39.280 things so clear for audience such a great job you've done for all the rav shows it's ironic

00:26:44.060 that so much of the controversy around Charlie and Charlie Kirk dealt with Israel and dealt with

00:26:50.420 the war in the Middle East, right? Well, today, in the irony of ironies, we're back at it. And

00:26:55.840 what Charlie Kirk tried to stop, which was a regime change war, I know that personally,

00:27:00.180 because I dealt with Charlie a lot on that very topic. So let's play a clip.

00:27:04.240 We're back at it tonight on the third day of the hearing, evidentiary hearing of Charlie Kirk. 0.59

00:27:09.600 We're back at war in Iran. Let's go and play the clip. 0.63

00:27:12.840 Kind of covering all of the bases today. What else did he say?

00:27:16.680 Yeah, I think the way you put it, Brianna, mixed messages is exactly right. 0.99

00:27:20.280 I think the one thing that is clear is that it's unclear what is next when it comes to Iran

00:27:25.780 and what the president is thinking about how he wants to proceed.

00:27:29.060 You mentioned some of those angry words from the president just earlier today, in the same day,

00:27:34.640 hours earlier, saying that he believed the ceasefire was over, that the memorandum of understanding was over,

00:27:40.140 just to later argue, no, we do not want to go back to full-out war.

00:27:43.580 He also, at one point, you know, saying that the ceasefire was over in another breath, arguing that it really is up to the negotiators.

00:27:51.020 He had a lot of praise for Steve Wyckoff, for Jared Kushner, for the vice president.

00:27:55.720 He said it's up to them to decide how they want to proceed.

00:27:59.080 But obviously, the president is very frustrated, Brianna, with how things are going, particularly with these negotiations.

00:28:05.520 He wants them to be farther along.

00:28:07.620 The nuclear issue was one of the thorniest issues that was left to be settled in the 60-day period that they're currently in,

00:28:15.560 if this memorandum of understanding is not over, as the president argued, that they needed to work out.

00:28:20.880 And that's something that is, of course, causing some problems in these talks.

00:28:25.860 One of the takeaways, though, that I really, you know, I thought was a great question from that press conference

00:28:30.040 was when a New York Times reporter got up and said, you know, just a couple weeks ago, just last month,

00:28:35.320 You were arguing that the negotiators were great people, that they're smart people, that they're rational people.

00:28:40.760 And then today you're now calling them evil and not good to work with.

00:28:45.360 What changed?

00:28:46.380 And I do, I believe we have a clip of what the president said then and what he is saying while he was in Turkey.

00:28:52.240 Listen to both of that back to back.

00:28:55.780 I mean, they were nice to deal with.

00:28:58.540 They were strong people, smart people.

00:29:00.520 I think actually they're smarter than the first and second group.

00:29:03.900 but they're not radicalized and they're you know looking to help their country you want to know the 0.99

00:29:11.280 truth they're scum but they're bad people very bad people i think they're incompetent i don't 1.00

00:29:15.760 want to deal with them anymore they're scum you know what scum is they're scum they're sick people 1.00

00:29:20.160 as far as i'm concerned it's just a waste of time dealing with them they're liars there's 1.00

00:29:25.140 something wrong with them they're cuckoo so as you see brianna two different moments two very 0.96

00:29:32.060 different viewpoints on how things are going and who, you know, the quality of the people that the

00:29:38.020 United States is negotiating with when it comes to Tehran. The only other thing I would want to

00:29:42.760 note is for what does come next. You know, the president had said earlier in Turkey that he

00:29:47.960 believed there could be more strikes on Iran tonight, obviously following the strikes we saw

00:29:52.820 take place last night. But then later, he seemed to soften that language. So it's really unclear

00:29:56.940 at this point how they're moving, how they're looking at moving ahead. The one clear thing as

00:30:01.560 well. It's just Trump is frustrated. He doesn't like how this is going, and he wants there to be

00:30:05.940 more deal-making, less talking, and less strikes. Yeah, palpable frustration today during that

00:30:12.160 appearance. The president also said, Elena, there was tremendous unity among NATO allies,

00:30:16.860 but he also lashed out at various member countries at times. Which is it?

00:30:21.660 I mean, what a difference, Brianna, a day makes. I mean, just yesterday, there was a lot of tension,

00:30:26.600 And I think it was unquestionable that many European allies were going into this NATO summit uneasy.

00:30:33.340 They were unsure of how this was going to go.

00:30:35.500 The president obviously has been very outspoken.

00:30:38.000 He's made no secret of hiding the fact that he believes many of these NATO members are not paying what he argues is their fair share of defense spending.

00:30:45.760 And you saw some of that kind of spill out yesterday, a little bit this morning.

00:30:49.080 But you're right.

00:30:49.920 When he came out to speak at this press conference, really concluding this visit, he said there was a lot of unity in the room.

00:30:55.980 He made a point to argue that a lot of these different leaders had been coming up to him in private, telling them, sir, I love you.

00:31:02.440 He said that kind of worked well with him.

00:31:04.900 And, you know, he did previously call out a number of different countries, Spain being one of them.

00:31:09.940 Much softer language he was using during that press conference when it came to Spain.

00:31:13.280 All to say, I think this was a successful summit for the overall alliance,

00:31:19.300 particularly when you look at some of the things that Ukraine has gotten out of this,

00:31:23.140 new commitments on Patriot defense missiles and things like that. So overall, I think

00:31:26.980 European leaders leaving happy with how this went and how the president concluded

00:31:31.400 on a happier note, arguing that there was unity and he was glad to have been there.

00:31:39.240 The Baltimore engine room has sent me the U.S. Central Command's statement, and it's backed up.

00:31:44.440 And if we put this video up, if you get to it, it's pretty, we're lighting some things up over

00:31:49.780 there. Okay, this is U.S. Central Command, and I quote, at the direction of the commander-in-chief,

00:31:54.480 U.S. Central Command forces have started conducting additional strikes against Iran to

00:31:58.800 further degrade their ability to threaten freedom of navigation in the Strait or Hormuz. The United

00:32:05.000 States is holding Iran accountable for recent unjustified aggression against commercial

00:32:10.200 shipping and civilian crews, freeing navigating a vital international orderway. I think it's

00:32:18.720 also incumbent that you know we have another briefing from the pentagon and we you know we

00:32:24.420 go back to being the department of war and not the department of wishful thinking and we just

00:32:29.320 deal straight with this because we've been told that not simply the air force and the navy but

00:32:34.120 all missiles are gone and it's obviously not the case they still have the ability to deliver a

00:32:39.840 punch and deliver a punch against um against the countries in the in the gulf itself particularly

00:32:46.640 you know, Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, UAE, Saudi Arabia, whatever you think of these countries,

00:32:55.380 and I don't think much of them. They do control a big swath of the world's oil. This is why coming

00:33:01.200 out of NATO also, I was very disappointed. I didn't see any, and maybe I missed it, and I will

00:33:06.460 go back tonight and look, but I didn't see forcing them to step up to have the NATO navies down there,

00:33:12.420 You know, with some commitments from the United States for Ukraine, these guys make commitments and President Trump got them to going to five percent so they can start paying more for their defense and we can start, you know, downplaying it.

00:33:23.880 But right now, to me, the Strait of Hormuz, the Red Sea, the Suez Canal, those are European problems or Asian problems.

00:33:34.200 And people better start stepping up and sending their navies up there instead of us having to go back in and do, you know, combat activity around Karg Island. 0.54

00:33:42.420 combat activity around, um, around, um, uh, the, the Hormuz. And now actually they're talking about

00:33:53.000 us, you know, carving out our own waterway and have Navy escorts. That's not the role for the

00:33:57.740 United States of America. This is a sideshow given, uh, our strategic focus on hemispheric

00:34:05.040 defense, which is absolutely urgent, uh, and very important, including, uh, in the, uh, in the

00:34:11.480 central pacific now the president was very complimentary of she now he's got this state

00:34:16.580 visit in late september in the in the burning heat or of the of the midterms she's coming here

00:34:23.200 for a state visit the president was very complimentary we'll break all that down tomorrow 0.94

00:34:26.580 but the the chinese just you know gave us a love tap by launching testing a you know submarine 0.58

00:34:32.500 launch ballistic missile right over the territory into the heart of where cleo pascal has been 0.79

00:34:39.340 warning us for months and months and months is an active participation of the Chinese Communist

00:34:44.920 Party to try to roll us back out of the Pacific. Now, Captain Fennell, to the degree that we have 0.86

00:34:48.720 time, we're trying to get Captain Fennell on for either tomorrow or Friday to go all through that.

00:34:55.320 It's quite a surprise to people. But the geopolitical situation, the rest of the world

00:35:00.040 is quite tenuous. And we're still this opportunity cause of refocus. Now we've got,

00:35:05.400 And look, the irony of ironies, it's on day three of Charlie Kirk's, the evidence you're hearing for Charlie Kirk.

00:35:14.460 And Charlie Kirk's is central to the no regime option, no regime change option of kind of the American right.

00:35:22.480 Charlie Kirk was an absolute diehard believer in this and really fought hard that we wouldn't get tangled up in a, in a tangled up in a regime change.

00:35:32.680 number one, the politics of it. He knew it better than anybody, particularly since he had built a

00:35:37.860 grassroots organization that focused on young people. And this is how he became a legend. This

00:35:41.720 is how he became, you know, kind of a mythic in his origin story, about how he started this

00:35:47.900 organization with nothing, because he had nothing. He started it with just his elbow grease and an

00:35:54.340 idea, an idea that after we hired him at Breitbart to kind of write about college campuses, this is

00:35:59.820 one the guy reached out to him after one of his articles said hey what do you think about building

00:36:04.040 an organization he says I got a whole idea for you guy put a little money in then Charlie you

00:36:08.580 know worked like crazy the other thing about Charlie Kirk remember everything he started

00:36:14.220 took a while to get traction one of the great lessons of his life life is the grit determination

00:36:22.220 and stick to it to this and just hard work besides the demeanor and humble and you know he's a happy

00:36:28.100 warrior always laughing got that smile all the time you can even see that in

00:36:31.580 the videos after people are attacking him relentlessly and that is hard to do

00:36:35.900 that comes from the heart and the spirit that was the spirit of Charlie Kirk and

00:36:40.340 here we are I can't get over it I mean you know the interim text me right away

00:36:44.780 as soon as I said I said who would have thought you know last September 9th that

00:36:51.740 nine months later we've been in a court of law going through a trial of

00:36:56.420 of evidentiary hearing for the assassination of Charlie Kirk, 0.85

00:36:59.960 and you'd be talking about a gay, furry lover 0.95

00:37:03.620 of grown men in this nation 0.93

00:37:09.340 in the 250th year of our revolution.

00:37:14.000 Men who were given everything.

00:37:17.300 These came from well-to-do, not wealthy,

00:37:21.820 but middle-class folks. 0.99

00:37:23.560 I think, in fact, the gay furry might have even been in better economic shape than Robinson. 0.94

00:37:31.000 But Robinson didn't want for anything. 0.99

00:37:35.080 In one of the most stable societies, at least on the surface, I think we're finding out a lot.

00:37:43.220 I'm not saying the governor's number one issue was to keep the word Mormon out of this trial.

00:37:49.260 But, hey, just saying, there's so much here that doesn't make sense.

00:37:54.620 It doesn't make sense.

00:37:56.300 That's what we wanted to see.

00:37:57.600 I mean, Rob, Sig, and Parker came to the same conclusion, Jack, and all of us.

00:38:01.440 I was adamant, as they were, that real America's voice, and right now we're in a recess as soon as it comes back in.

00:38:07.400 But that the channel itself, the network itself, regardless of what anybody else did, and regardless of what the ratings were,

00:38:13.360 if people didn't want to stick with it, that's fine.

00:38:15.180 But it was we had an obligation. We had a duty to Charlie, a duty to the country.

00:38:22.540 That if this was going to be kind of what they do in in Utah as grand juries, that we were going to present you with the opportunity to sit and really judgment of this evidence and see it all.

00:38:35.860 And then have during the day analysis by guys like Wendy Patrick, of course, Jack Posobiec's out there with Kevin Posobiec.

00:38:42.500 we've got our first team out there as far as the production

00:38:45.380 I think the only of our top producers

00:38:47.480 not there is Harry who did such an amazing job

00:38:49.500 over the 4th of July but

00:38:50.720 we've got a top team out there and we're

00:38:52.920 you're seeing it every second of it

00:38:55.080 it has to be

00:38:56.160 I said we have to do that for Charlie

00:38:58.760 people have to see everything from the time the gavel came

00:39:01.300 down until the time the judge

00:39:03.420 makes his decision and then if there

00:39:05.340 is a trial we don't know that

00:39:07.400 for sure if there is a trial

00:39:09.520 we'll cover that

00:39:11.280 wall-to-wall too and we'll put our best team on it and I think it's very a very enlightening

00:39:15.720 situation but it is a trial remember the investigation is not on trial the evidence

00:39:24.160 to get to a murder is on trial that's one of the engine room people sent that to me I think it's

00:39:29.240 very wise um want to thank our and I really want to thank our sponsor for our sponsors who are

00:39:35.400 bearing with us as we turn over massive amounts of broadcast time I think this week

00:39:40.880 we're going to be down to, including Saturday, we'll probably be at 40% of the broadcast time.

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00:39:54.300 Birch Gold, so go to birchgold.com. Make sure you get a copy. I'm now doing the graphics for

00:40:00.320 the ninth free installment, which you're going to love. Because a little bit ties into,

00:40:05.840 not totally, but it ties into this, the business model of the United States. And I think you have

00:40:12.860 to think about the business model of the United States as you think about your own personal

00:40:16.840 financial condition and situation. This is why we didn't want to get, people came to us to sell

00:40:25.320 gold. I'm not interested in giving access or selling gold to our audience. I mean, I was

00:40:30.560 interested in allowing people to understand and to to find out why the dollar is a central

00:40:38.300 backbone of the world's financial system how it came about what does it mean in the economic

00:40:43.480 history of the united states uh and what does that mean what does fiat currency mean in regards to

00:40:49.360 an asset like gold that was totally dismissed for i don't know 100 years okay i'm gonna stop

00:40:55.820 rambling and we're gonna go back to it's kind of kind of missed that we're gonna go back live to

00:41:00.400 of the courtroom right now, we're going to continue

00:41:02.160 in the evidentiary hearing in the assassination,

00:41:05.360 the matter of the assassination of Charlie Kerr.

00:41:07.580 Also reviewing what Mr. Novak submitted,

00:41:10.860 the redactions requested,

00:41:13.500 and reviewing all parts of it in great detail.

00:41:22.480 All right, I want to address the objections before me

00:41:27.480 and starting with Mr. Novak made a hearsay objection as it relates to Mr. McBride,

00:41:33.900 and the court agrees it is hearsay.

00:41:37.440 At the same time, I'm only going to consider Mr. McBride's statements to provide context

00:41:45.620 for the things that Lance Twiggs says and for their effects on Lance Twiggs,

00:41:51.480 and as such, the hearsay objection as it relates to the statements of Mr. McBride

00:41:56.680 in State's Exhibit 16 is overruled.

00:42:02.080 Turning to relevance as it relates to State's Exhibit 16.

00:42:11.800 And I agree in part and disagree in part as it relates to this objection.

00:42:18.060 So there are portions of the transcript, or I say transcript,

00:42:22.400 but what I really mean is State's Exhibit 16, and I appreciate the transcript.

00:42:26.360 I found that to be helpful.

00:42:28.420 It's a lot faster than trying to, like, scroll, and so I appreciate that being provided.

00:42:33.460 It was helpful to the court, and to be fair, I found it to be a true and accurate representation of the actual recording.

00:42:40.300 So did I listen to every word and compare it?

00:42:43.020 No, but from what I reviewed, I did not find any inconsistencies just to put it on the record, so there's no misunderstanding.

00:42:49.640 But there are portions of the transcript, Stace Exhibit 16, which relevance is still not clear to me.

00:43:00.280 However, as the magistrate, I am able to distinguish between what is relevant to a probable cause determination and what is not.

00:43:11.900 and what I take into consideration when I make my ultimate decision about probable cause

00:43:19.220 I will not take into consideration what is not relevant so that is a constant balancing and

00:43:25.980 evaluation I'm making throughout this this hearing and after this hearing my intent is to review

00:43:33.320 everything again to be thorough this is not a case where I'm going to be shooting from the hip

00:43:38.180 in making that determination because this is an important determination,

00:43:42.400 so I will take the necessary time as is required

00:43:46.500 and is as necessary to ensure that the constitutional rights of all parties are upheld.

00:43:53.740 So as I'm making determinations, where I land is pages 19 and 20 of the transcript

00:44:02.940 as it relates to State Exhibit 16, may contain irrelevant information,

00:44:09.500 but I will reserve whether I consider those portions

00:44:12.660 until I've heard the rest of the state's evidence.

00:44:17.280 Therefore, as it relates to relevance, that ruling is reserved.

00:44:24.540 Now, turning to the other objection, which is Rule 403, Prejudice.

00:44:30.160 As I am acting as a magistrate, I do not have the same concerns that my decision will be influenced by undue prejudice as that of a jury.

00:44:40.500 Therefore, for purposes of admissibility, the defendant's objection is overruled.

00:44:47.240 Even so, there are portions of this transcript, and again, states Exhibit 16, that may not be admissible at trial and whose relevance I have not yet determined.

00:44:56.780 In the abundance of caution and to protect the jury pool, the potential jury pool, from hearing potentially inadmissible evidence,

00:45:05.280 I'm ordering that the audio cannot be published in the courtroom or on camera from page 19, timestamp 3255 until timestamp 3548.

00:45:18.040 In other words, the state may publish the audio for all portions of the interview other than that one portion.

00:45:23.960 And when I say audio, I mean audio and video, so both.

00:45:30.380 I recognize there's approximately only one minute after 3548.

00:45:36.980 The state can fast forward to that point for it's an approximate one minute and 12 seconds

00:45:43.360 or may take the time to redact the video as they see fit.

00:45:46.820 So where I'm landing today is up until from the beginning, until that page 19, 3255, that portion I am ruling is admissible and may be published.

00:46:12.820 Again, if the state wishes that last minute and 12 seconds to be played,

00:46:19.440 they can either take the time tonight to redact what the court is not going to allow to be published.

00:46:26.660 And I wish to differentiate.

00:46:28.320 I'm considering it all.

00:46:30.560 But for publication purposes, that portion is not going to be permitted to be played in the courtroom.

00:46:37.800 Governor, would you state those times, again, that you are ordering not to be published?

00:46:41.540 I've got 3255 to 3548.

00:46:45.060 Right.

00:46:46.340 Those are the two time stamps for that,

00:46:49.520 and I hope that's helpful as both parties are trying to review on the transcript

00:46:53.160 and in State's Exhibit 16.

00:46:57.060 And that's from 3255 to 3548.

00:47:00.560 Right.

00:47:01.040 Okay, thank you.

00:47:01.560 It is not publishable in the courtroom or to be broadcast.

00:47:09.060 Finally, I want to recognize both parties wanted the benefit of the record to be more specific in their arguments concerning their objections.

00:47:20.300 So if those arguments pertain to time step 3255 through time step 3548, I'm willing to allow you to do that in a closed hearing.

00:47:31.080 Please be mindful of the time and keep your arguments succinct.

00:47:35.860 With that in mind, do the parties have any arguments they feel I have not considered in my ruling that require a closed hearing?

00:47:50.540 Yes, Your Honor.

00:47:52.800 And so I'm just going to tell the court what I think the general nature of that is without getting into the details,

00:47:58.640 because I do think a closed hearing is appropriate.

00:48:00.600 There are, okay, setting aside the 1102 issue and objections, there are statements in this video by Mr. Twiggs attributed to Mr. Robinson, okay?

00:48:20.360 Mr. Robinson said.

00:48:23.080 There are two other exhibits, which I, again, I've said before, I'm confident the state will offer,

00:48:28.800 which Mr. Twiggs says in this video, those are statements by Mr. Robinson.

00:48:36.580 Okay?

00:48:37.140 I will acknowledge that separate and apart from 1102, the statements of a party opponent are admissible if relevant.

00:48:46.300 In fact, they're not even hearsay, right?

00:48:47.520 They're excluded from the hearsay rule.

00:48:50.360 But the question is whether statements of Mr. Robinson, of the nature that I'm referring to, can be published, not considered by the court, but published without violating Mr. Robinson's 14th Amendment due process rights.

00:49:11.280 And it is our view, as we have said in our earlier papers, that the answer is no.

00:49:16.140 Publication, especially in the way this proceeding is being published, would violate Mr. Robinson's due process rights under the 14th Amendment.

00:49:32.340 We previously cited, and the reason why I'm saying this again is not to reiterate something just because if you say it twice, it means something different,

00:49:43.300 but because my colleagues have suggested that maybe my argument earlier was not clear enough.

00:49:48.480 And so I want to make sure it is clear so that the court makes a decision based on the arguments of counsel.

00:49:57.340 The United States Supreme Court said in Estes v. Texas 381 U.S. 532 the following.

00:50:09.680 In Rideau v. Louisiana, and that's R-I-D-E-A-U, this court constructed a rule that the televising of a defendant in the act of confessing to a crime was inherently invalid under the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment, even without a showing of prejudice or a demonstration of the nexus between the televised confession and the trial.

00:50:38.640 I am not calling the statements of Mr. Robinson confessions, but that is what the state will call them.

00:50:49.500 And so there are portions of this exhibit and the other exhibits that I've referred to,

00:50:55.140 which implicate Mr. Robinson's right not to have what the state calls a confession televised.

00:51:02.660 this court has authorized the televising of this proceeding

00:51:09.660 and there are reporters in this courtroom who will go outside and speak on what we used to

00:51:18.960 call television that opinion was from the 60s now we have other forms of technology but i'm just

00:51:24.700 going to use what the supreme court says because it's the supreme court so we are very concerned

00:51:29.100 that the publication beyond this court's eyes

00:51:32.840 of what the state will call confessions at trial

00:51:36.620 violates Mr. Robinson's due process rights

00:51:42.120 right here and now today.

00:51:44.340 And I know that we said that before in the litigation,

00:51:46.800 but now we're exhibit specific.

00:51:51.960 If I haven't been clear about the argument,

00:51:55.080 I want to make sure I'm clear about it

00:51:56.780 because the court's decision to allow this video to be televised

00:52:03.740 and the other two exhibits to be shown to the camera in the back of the courtroom

00:52:09.440 is exactly what the Supreme Court says violates the 14th Amendment.

00:52:15.560 So, and I appreciate that clarity, and perhaps, again,

00:52:21.800 if you want to go into closed hearing, we can do so,

00:52:24.220 or if you want to refer to the pages.

00:52:25.740 I want to know exactly what you're referring to, whether it's in that 3255 through 3548, which is being excluded, or is it in the 40?

00:52:36.040 It is not. It is earlier, and it's also the two other anticipated exhibits, so we may as well deal with all of it at the same time.

00:52:44.720 It's probably easier to do it in a closed proceeding because nobody has to be obtuse.

00:52:49.080 I don't have to be obtuse in order to protect my client's rights.

00:52:52.000 No, I appreciate that. And it actually prompts, in order for me to get to that, I do want to ask the state, are you intending to introduce the text messages as an exhibit in this proceeding, the preliminary hearing?

00:53:06.240 Yes, Judge, we will be attempting to and moving for the admission of the text thread, the discord thread, and I think, and the note that is referenced in Mr. Twiggs 1102.

00:53:23.940 All right. And let me take one step at a time, just for clarity. And again, Mr. Novak, I really do appreciate you being so precise. It's helping me parse it out so we can address it. Because it's important. And I recognize that you're advocating for your client. And so I want to give it its due time.

00:53:41.320 The text messages, from my understanding, and either side weigh in, my understanding that those were released to the public months ago in their entirety.

00:53:53.940 Judge, if I may, they were not released in their entirety.

00:53:57.300 Portions of them were placed into the charging document,

00:54:00.080 the information that supported, in part, the charges that the state has filed.

00:54:05.760 We did not put the entirety of them in.

00:54:08.780 And now we wish to publish more of them than were included in the charging document.

00:54:14.260 I see.

00:54:15.060 For some reason, I thought it was part of an exhibit for a motion.

00:54:18.980 but

00:54:20.560 Mr. Milbeck I'm not sure if that's

00:54:23.520 ringing any bells

00:54:25.420 I'm aware of the issue

00:54:27.820 that the court is

00:54:29.100 commenting on I think the state needs to

00:54:31.660 account for its decision

00:54:33.660 to publish text

00:54:35.740 messages that

00:54:37.660 directly implicate

00:54:40.060 the Supreme Court law that we're talking

00:54:41.840 about and I don't want

00:54:43.860 to pretend that I can anticipate

00:54:45.760 what the court's concerns are but

00:54:47.900 that doesn't cure republication on television of what the state will call a confession in this

00:55:00.800 proceeding. So in other words, this is not like, oh, the cat's out of the bag or the barn door's

00:55:06.680 open. This is another opportunity to violate Mr. Robinson's constitutional rights. And I'm not at

00:55:14.360 all suggesting that somebody is intending to do that, certainly not the court. And I'm confident

00:55:19.700 that the state's counsel would never intend to do that. But that would be the consequence

00:55:24.520 of further televising what the state refers to as previously referred to as confessions and

00:55:35.540 certainly would refer to here in this proceeding as confessions. We are acknowledging that they

00:55:42.520 are statements of a party. We have not filed anything in this case that publicizes the

00:55:55.240 text messages, the Discord chat, the note which Ms. Hunt is mentioning, and now that

00:56:00.200 Ms. Hunt has said that, yes, we want this note to be presented into evidence, and the

00:56:05.200 court knows what this note is because it's the courts now. Watch the video. That's another

00:56:09.520 piece of the same problem.

00:56:13.300 So this is all simplified by the court being extra cautious about Mr. Robinson's constitutional

00:56:24.940 rights, considering these exhibits to the extent the court deems that they're admissible

00:56:29.760 and portions of them are relevant, and not further televising them in this proceeding

00:56:37.800 in a manner which we think is inconsistent with what

00:56:40.940 the Supreme Court said in Estes v. Texas.

00:56:43.380 All right.

00:56:43.940 I appreciate that, Mr. Novak.

00:56:47.380 Ms. Hunt, would you like to respond?

00:56:51.980 Because I understand what Mr. Novak's saying,

00:56:55.180 and there may be a 403 issue as well as it relates to this.

00:56:59.220 And I'm not going to pretend to read your mind,

00:57:01.280 but because I can't do that.

00:57:05.020 All right, Ms. Hunt.

00:57:06.840 Just to clarify for the record and the court, the state's position is that we would like the audio played.

00:57:13.680 The audio may be captured by the cameras in the state's position, but we never intended to visually put them on the monitors such that cameras can capture them and, you know, pause or get the actual exhibits, substances of the exhibits.

00:57:31.820 I believe that was the media's position, if I remember correctly, is that they want everything audio and visually displayed.

00:57:41.180 But the state's position is we just want the audio played.

00:57:44.420 Right, but what's it?

00:57:56.140 So I'm just focused on 16 right now.

00:57:59.200 Okay, yes, and that's the state's position with regards to Exhibit 16.

00:58:04.520 So help me understand, what's the difference if the audio is played

00:58:08.400 or the video is played on what the court is identifying is, well, first of all, 16 is admitted.

00:58:15.580 So that threshold has been met, but we're dealing with the publication in regards to what is publicized

00:58:22.480 because this is going to Mr. Novak's argument about publicizing that is different than the

00:58:30.380 court simply reviewing it in its own privacy. I don't want to misstate your argument, but I

00:58:37.360 believe that was one of the distinctions you made. The distinction that Ms. Hunt is drawing is, I

00:58:41.700 think, what people call a distinction without a difference. It doesn't matter whether it's audio

00:58:45.160 or video, and it doesn't matter whether it's on a television or on the internet or on the radio.

00:58:50.320 it's going to be broadcast.

00:58:53.400 And so it doesn't really matter whether it's audio or video.

00:58:56.000 And it's actually not Mr. Robinson's video.

00:58:59.920 It's Mr. Twig's video.

00:59:02.160 And when the court mentioned 403, yes, I think the court did accurately read my mind,

00:59:07.100 which is fine with me, but it's unfair prejudice of a constitutional dimension,

00:59:12.980 and 403 is a rule of evidence.

00:59:14.640 All right. So, Ms. Hunt, as it relates to that publication, help me understand whether it's audio or video.

00:59:28.640 What's the difference there? Help me understand that.

00:59:31.260 I disagree that it's a distinction without a difference.

00:59:34.180 As we've discussed prior in this hearing, UCJA Rule 4-202.02 sub 2 sub J states that exhibits are presumed to be public court records.

00:59:51.080 And it does give the court discretion to regulate access when necessary to protect the integrity of the exhibit or ensure a fair trial.

00:59:58.320 So I do want to recognize that.

01:00:00.060 But that discretion should be exercised narrowly, as we've talked about before with publication regarding this case.

01:00:10.640 What the state is proposing, we believe, is a narrowly tailored accommodation.

01:00:15.260 We don't want to display the full exhibits.

01:00:17.420 Obviously, within states Exhibit 16, the video of Lance Twiggs, he has shown, and it can be seen,

01:00:25.240 exhibits that the state will then, in the future, move to admit, 16.1, 16.2, the text threads, the Discord threads.

01:00:34.240 So we're thinking that if it's displayed visually, what the cameras will be able to do is pause that, duplicate them, replicate them,

01:00:43.100 essentially have access to those exhibits.

01:00:46.380 What we're trying to do, and maybe they can do the same thing with, I'm sure Mr. Novak will say, they'll do the same thing with audio.

01:00:54.100 but the hearing the tone the context all of that that's why the state chose to do we could have

01:01:02.860 done a written 1102 statement from mr twiggs we chose to do as is allowed by 1102 we chose to do

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Bannon's War Room - July 08, 2026

Episode 5502： Day 3 Of The Charlie Kirk Assassination Trial

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